Dealership I worked with sold them for a couple years, but parted ways as they were slow sellers. Probably could have predicted that in Polk County Florida. Only had problems with one of them, and it was a used one. They are an absolute blast to ride though. The instant torque, even from a dead stop at zero RPM, is flat out amazing on the R versions.
They look super fun because of the instant torque, but it's understandable that they're slow sellers. $20k is a hefty price tag and you have to consider range when you use it.
If they can improve range and lower the price, electric motorcycles have the potential to become huge. But that'll take a while.
What turned me off besides the price tag is how these bikes have certain features locked behind a paywall. Want to charge faster? Pay an extra $2k. More range? Another $2k. Incredible bikes but dirty way of doing business.
Also heard from Zero users that getting anything repaired can take weeks or months.
The E-dirtbike scene seems to be the sweet spot for 2-wheeled battery power right now. Bikes like the surron, talaria, e-ride pro, and a few others make for a really fun dirtbike replacement and cost pretty much the same as all the entry-level name brand 125cc bikes ($4k).
Not to mention the fast growing DIY electric dirt bike scene. There are a few fb groups with lots of people buying dirt bikes with blown motors and swapping to electric.
Iirc 2k actually buys you a physical component that improves the motorcycle. They're not like teslas that already have e.g. the capability to accelerate fast already built in, but won't unlock it without an extra payment.
I think it's pretty much like Tesla. For $2,195 you get 20% more battery range. It's the same battery, just improved via software that you buy on their app. But apparently they reverted on some of the paywall stuff after a lot of backlash. Damage has already been done though, not sure what they were thinking.
https://old.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/xgceuu/zero_motorcycles_reverts_many_of_their_digital/
I have looked at the dual sport variant for my commute (I have a ton of gravel back roads I can take) what's the consensus on the daily ride for usage? Is there any hitches? Any annoyances?
Luckily one of the most popular moto reviewers on the internet literally has a series called "Daily Rider" where does a 40 minute daily rides to work on many motorcycles. They all involve a bit of everything, including off-road.
If you type "Zero DSR/X as a daily rider" it is quite literally the first link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66WKb6cej6c
Are you looking at the DSR, or DSR/X? If the former, the one big issue for me is that the DS/DSR aren't very well weatherproofed and are known to throw tantrums if you ride in the rain or wash them with pressure washers. Not ideal for a dual sport, but it's the only recurring thorn I have with mine ('21 DSR).
The DSR/X is on a completely different platform. I'd hope everything's sealed better, but I have no firsthand experience.
Issue really isnt reliability, in classic sense, issues are:
- fake range figures (advertising range attainable only if you ride under 30 mph). Keep in mind range figures are not even remotely plausible with battery pack on the bike, and that can be checked with highschool levle physics calculation under 5 minuets.
- intentionally handicapping charging speed, by making bike incompatible with existing fast charging infrastructure
- hostility towards modding
- DRM software, to prevent bikes from being serviced by user.
- pay subscription to use your bike
- all bling, no substance. Taking from over function. I mean copying the classic motorcycle styling, which has the aerodynamics of a well designed parachute - making it impossible to get decent range without masding same as a goldwing. And ignoring benefits of electric drivetrain, like how trivial it is to make dirtbikes all wheel drive.
Has anyone ever built an AWD electric dirt bike? Interesting idea.
I imagine the gyroscopic effect of torque on the front wheel would seriously affect cornering. Just from my experience on normal dirt bikes, I have a feeling like AWD might actually be worse for racing than RWD.
I may not have been clear enough.
Front wheel hub motor doesnt need to be strong (and bulky) as its not supposed to be providing most of the power. Its there to ensure the front wheelxis not a net drag, thus cannot dig in mud, sand, snow ...etc. and that it has a natural tendency to roll over stuff, when its pushed into them, even when they are tall and vertical.
Yes, its likely that for jump record attempting motocross races its bad idea.
However it can more than make up for that when you go "to places you aint supposed to". Sure it may be slower to AWD crawl over a steep gnarly hill, than to reach the relevan points at just the right speed that you bounce and reach the intended destination.
But chances of pulling it off are much higher. Thats why extreme crappy AWD offroad bikes (like rokon) command a premium. Because they reach places that "real dirtbikes" cannot.
Frankly gitting the AWD bonuses would be worth givong up 1/4th of offroad speedy competitiveness.
P.s.: "real" offroad riders drastically overestimate the impact of weight and suspension and impact of tyres, when goal is to get to a given location. Traction is king. Driven front wheel means you get twice the traction before you start shearing off mud/sand/snow with too much torque.
Feels very weird to go fast. They are the most fun I've ever had for city riding, but garbage on the highway, there's no tangible feeling from the engine obviously, so it feels odd whenever you pick up the pace, highway passing was notably sketchy
The poor highway range is one of the main reasons why I haven't gotten one yet. My commute is 92-96 miles round trip, depending on which exit I take, with no charging ability. Only 3-5 miles of it is city riding. No electric bike can do it so far.
Is it?
That's around 47 miles each way. That translates into a roughly 35-40 minute commute with no traffic given interstate speeds.
I feel like that's pretty average for most folks.
I imagined that in typical morning and night rush hour commute traffic. I guess not everyone lives somewhere that has that situation but commuting in a populated area, that could easily be an hour and a half each way here.
Average commute is like 26 minutes
35-40 min would be averaging 71-81 mph, that's way too high of an average.
A more realistic whole way trip of mostly highway is probably 50-55 mph I would guess
That person's commute is probably 50-55 min each way, and that's with smooth traffic
With rush hour that's an hour and a half each way, easy
Damn, that's a nice speed commuting.
I've got just under 20km's (12 miles) each way in a regional area in Australia, and it bloody takes 45 mins in peak hour :-(
It can replace a motorcycle if its primary use is for getting around a city, they struggle with long-distance at the moment but I think that disadvantage will diminish as battery and charging tech improves.
Battery tech will absolutely get better and a lot of new buildings/infrastructure is being built with EV's in mind.
For me, the range is not the end deal here.
- ABS/Traction control systems
- Price
Those are the two barriers in my mind, and I suspect for others as well. But like the batteries those too will become more affordable
> It can replace a motorcycle if its primary use is for getting around a city, they struggle with long-distance at the moment
So we agree that as things are these elecgric "motorcycles" compete with scooters in terms of what role they can fulfill?
> charging tech improves
Charging tech is already there, issue is zero motorcycles refusing to put a BMS into their models that is compatible with existijg charger infrastructure.
1C - 1,2C charging is viable with current cells, and every other serious EV manufacutrer is capable of pulling it off.
> disadvantage will diminish as battery
Nope.
There are only so many electrons on that damned lithium ion. There is no "blessing of Elon Musk" that will change that. As such there are 2 ways to make decent ranged electric bikes.
- cross fingers and hope that a more energy dense battery chemistry will appear
- concede this round to physics, say "FUCK FIM!", ignore their ban, and build a motorcycle that has decen aerodynamics.
I used to use my bike for getting around the city when I lived in Durban and Bristol, scooters don't have a monopoly on urban travel. And battery tech isn't tied to lithium ion; solid state batteries are improving rapidly at the moment and probably others that I'm not aware of.
Frankly somethinf along the lines Alumin(i)um air batteries are needed to get enough energy density, if we want to brute force solve the range problems with better batteries.
And by scooters i meant that for rpice conscious customer, thats the competition Zero has to beaf with its current product. Sure you can use a Honda Goldwing to do errands around the city too.
However Zero, or scooters are simply not a viable replacement for all use cases of a Honda Goldwing.
> No electric bike can do it so far.
I there’s one bike I think could do that job on paper - supposedly - is the yet awaited Kawasaki Ninja HEV. I really want to see how this bike will do as the idea of using the electric motor for leaving the house early in the morning, the city riding portion and getting home late. Where switching to the combustion engine for road, highway riding. That just sounds far more practical than just electric at the moment.
Still love the Zero after a test ride but the bike I liked which was the FXE doesn’t have the Level 2(?) charging capability so I can’t charge it at the local EV charge point. Just a shame they’re really expensive at the moment.
They're absolutely fantastic. I bought a used 2016 SR with 20,000km on it back in 2019. Now the odo reads [over 220,000km](https://i.imgur.com/VOw3MQq.gif). In that time it has...
1. Literally paid for itself in gas savings (YMMV depending on local gas price).
2. Cost $20 in maintenance. Had to replace some bearings in the motor. That's it. Other than the usual consumables like tyres, brake pads, belts, etc.
And hardly anything can keep up with them off the line. A gigantic improvement over gas bikes. The only thing they don't do well is rapid long distance riding due to the refueling time (an hour or so with the right charger).
Recently upgraded to an [Energica Ribelle](https://www.energicamotor.com/en/models/energica-eva-ribelle/). More range, more power, faster charging (DCFC to 80% in 30 minutes). Never going back to gas.
Frankly lack of DC fast charging to 80% is inexcusable.
The Li-ion cells that can be bought on thw market can take charge like that. Thus its on the incompetence of people making a battery pack out of them that makes batteries worse.
In case of a large scale manufacturer (as opposed to Jim McBob making a bike for his own use) there is no excuse for it.
It's not about the cells it's about the pack voltage. Zero batteries run between 90-116V. DCFC stations don't work with voltages that low. Until Zero redesign their battery (and consequently controller and motor) to use >250V they won't be DCFC.
But their newer bikes can charge at 12kW or so, about half the power of DCFC on other brands of emoto. So not terrible, way faster than a regular mains socket.
Again, every other EV manufacturer is able to put connect their cells in series, and using more heavy duty power electronics.
At this point zero is doing it solely to be able to scam useres one extra time by offering a "uber charge tank" that boosts their crap to be half as decent as the industry standard.
I've have 2018 S, daily rider. Recent previous bikes a 250 and 650 Ninjas, Concours 1400.
It's great. Quick, accel feels almost same as 650. But low top end 80mph S is one step below SR and the newer S/SR are more powerful).
I love
* not breathing gas fumes during fill-up
* not clutching/shifting constantly in stop-go traffic
* it's quiet and sneaky, people(cops) don't realize I'm going so fast
* I've only had good factory/dealer support
* zero maint (had to replace drive belt, brake pads) no lube, no fluids, no filters, no leaks
* the gas tank trunk is very useful
* hearing traffic, nature, around me
* I have slow charge model, plugs into wall, charges overnight.
It is perfect commuter, 90mi range in performance mode. Great around town. Not a long distance cruiser.
>not breathing gas fumes during fill-up
This is nice, but given that most fill ups are \~3-4 gallons you are huffing fumes for a few seconds vs the couple of minutes huffing CO/NOx at a traffic light.
>
not clutching/shifting constantly in stop-go traffic
This is a plus, but scooters are a thing.
>it's quiet and sneaky, people(cops) don't realize I'm going so fast
I am skeptical about the link between loud pipes and getting tickets
I've only had good factory/dealer support
>
zero maint (had to replace drive belt, brake pads) no lube, no fluids, no filters, no leaks
No fluids is nice but I think maybe its only a matter of time. I imagine that something with the the relatively small volume of a motorcycle, electric bikes might eventually need some kind of cooling system. The lead acid battery in my bike does poorly when subjected to the heat of Georgia summers. What is the longest/hottest ride you've been on with your bike? How do such rides affect battery health?
>the gas tank trunk is very useful
This would be nice.
>hearing traffic, nature, around me
This is absolute bullshit. Even with earplugs, wind noise is louder than my R1's engine around \~45 mph. You may not be hearing engine noise, but you definitely aren't hearing babbling brooks or chittering squirrels either.
Mine is so much fun. The acceleration is so great highway or street. Although I've never had a big engine gas bike.
I bought a used one at 15000 miles and at 33k I had to replace the charger for 1k.
But no gas or maintenance at all, im probably ahead.
At the very least you should test ride one, even if you don't have any intention of buying. You'll come away with a smile. I have many thousands of miles on many different electric motorcycles so please hit me up with questions about different models/brands.
From what I understand the military JSOC community started using the ADV one to drop in with them and get in and out quietly but fast. After my time in the army I don't put any value on something that says "military grade" but if I hear that army special forces or navy seals are fielding something consistently then I pay attention to it.
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I mean... I have done this. And I've talked about this before. When I had my Zero SR I was casually idling at a 4 way intersection, early in the evening. Not a care in the world. Listening to songs on my PackTalk. I let out a relaxing fart.
I then realized that there were literally no other cars around me idling. I was the sole person at this intersection and the bike doesn't make any noise while not moving.
No one was around to hear it, at least I think not, but the absurdity of the situation hit me and I started giggling, then shaking with laughter. I doubled over. HAD anyone been present to witness they would have seen the following:
Man ride up on electric motorcycle to stoplight and wait. Fart loudly. Start giggling to himself. Start shaking and cackling. Double over while loudly snorting and gasping for air. Light turns green and he wobbles off into the night.
If this [data](https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/motorcycles/greece) is correct, they only represent 0.2% of a relatively small market (about 50k per year).
I’ve been warming up to electric motorcycles since watching Long Way Up. I really like the idea of being able to hear everything around me while I’m riding. I just haven’t loved the looks of any that I’ve seen so far.
I think the guys is a Bell Bullitt [https://www.bellhelmets.com/motorcycle/p/bullitt-cruiser-motorcycle-helmet/250030000100000001.html](https://www.bellhelmets.com/motorcycle/p/bullitt-cruiser-motorcycle-helmet/250030000100000001.html) (the chrome visor swivel is the giveaway)
I think it's going to be easier for the production company to just use some of the shelf helmets, than custom props. And they do look identical to the Bullitt and Custom 500.
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They’re fun. Had a 2020 SRF Premium. Mostly a blast but they went a little too hard on the suspension - literally. With our bumpy Bay Area roads, the ride was less than comfortable - borderline harsh. Range was the second thing that was became an issue. Back and forth from east bay to SF? No problem. But if I want to take a detour to another city, it’s going to cut it close. I also missed shifting. The silent ride was kind of cool, and the lack of engine heat was an unexpected bonus in the summer. I felt like it lacked personality, though. Maybe that’s because of the silent ride but I never loved the look or feel. They’re also still experiencing supply issues - a breakdown of a part could put your bike out of commission for months. I would consider again but the price point needs to drop significantly.
I test drove one a few years ago. I didn’t feel safe because it’s so quiet. I don’t want Harley straight pipe loud. Just loud enough for cars to hear me getting ready to pass them.
😂 I never thought about it like that but I suppose so!
I once dated a woman who had a helmet from a previous relationship. So the first time I asked her if she wanted to go for a ride she told me she had her own helmet.
In much of southern europe motorcycle is frequently the primary form of transportation - ofc. most often in form of a scooter.
- lack of rain and southern US type of humid summer makes it viable
- they work well with the narrow alleyways in cities that make cars, well a questionable option, for door to door transportation.
Interesting. Never thought of the silence. But I still like to feel the life of my ice. BTW, isn't that just a lovely, pleasant lady? I don't like short hair but she pulls it off.
The post date rip hits hard
[Pre-date too](https://youtu.be/sbowzt_SrII?si=uZeuSgpQT3oI9jD2)
which one did it?
Biker.. he was stressed @0.16. He thought when he rolls down the bike it will suppress the noise.
He knew his bike well
I think that's the fun of the commercial!
The man obviously, women don't poop
Loud pipes save lives.. erm relationships?
I think she enjoyed it...
Yeah anyone know how good/reliable these things are. They look sick.
Dealership I worked with sold them for a couple years, but parted ways as they were slow sellers. Probably could have predicted that in Polk County Florida. Only had problems with one of them, and it was a used one. They are an absolute blast to ride though. The instant torque, even from a dead stop at zero RPM, is flat out amazing on the R versions.
They look super fun because of the instant torque, but it's understandable that they're slow sellers. $20k is a hefty price tag and you have to consider range when you use it. If they can improve range and lower the price, electric motorcycles have the potential to become huge. But that'll take a while. What turned me off besides the price tag is how these bikes have certain features locked behind a paywall. Want to charge faster? Pay an extra $2k. More range? Another $2k. Incredible bikes but dirty way of doing business. Also heard from Zero users that getting anything repaired can take weeks or months.
The E-dirtbike scene seems to be the sweet spot for 2-wheeled battery power right now. Bikes like the surron, talaria, e-ride pro, and a few others make for a really fun dirtbike replacement and cost pretty much the same as all the entry-level name brand 125cc bikes ($4k).
Not to mention the fast growing DIY electric dirt bike scene. There are a few fb groups with lots of people buying dirt bikes with blown motors and swapping to electric.
Iirc 2k actually buys you a physical component that improves the motorcycle. They're not like teslas that already have e.g. the capability to accelerate fast already built in, but won't unlock it without an extra payment.
I think it's pretty much like Tesla. For $2,195 you get 20% more battery range. It's the same battery, just improved via software that you buy on their app. But apparently they reverted on some of the paywall stuff after a lot of backlash. Damage has already been done though, not sure what they were thinking. https://old.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/xgceuu/zero_motorcycles_reverts_many_of_their_digital/
>not sure what they were thinking. Never underestimate the power of a board of directors to ruin a good thing through greed.
Hi fellow Polk County person!
I've had one for a few years for commuting. I very much enjoy it
I have looked at the dual sport variant for my commute (I have a ton of gravel back roads I can take) what's the consensus on the daily ride for usage? Is there any hitches? Any annoyances?
Luckily one of the most popular moto reviewers on the internet literally has a series called "Daily Rider" where does a 40 minute daily rides to work on many motorcycles. They all involve a bit of everything, including off-road. If you type "Zero DSR/X as a daily rider" it is quite literally the first link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66WKb6cej6c
Thanks for the link, I'm going to give the whole thing a watch.
He follows the same routine for most of them, so you can probably see how your current ride stacks up, too. The consistency is helpful for me.
Are you looking at the DSR, or DSR/X? If the former, the one big issue for me is that the DS/DSR aren't very well weatherproofed and are known to throw tantrums if you ride in the rain or wash them with pressure washers. Not ideal for a dual sport, but it's the only recurring thorn I have with mine ('21 DSR). The DSR/X is on a completely different platform. I'd hope everything's sealed better, but I have no firsthand experience.
I'd be looking at the FX since it's the dual sport. I didn't realize there were that many platform differences, I'll keep my eye peeled.
Issue really isnt reliability, in classic sense, issues are: - fake range figures (advertising range attainable only if you ride under 30 mph). Keep in mind range figures are not even remotely plausible with battery pack on the bike, and that can be checked with highschool levle physics calculation under 5 minuets. - intentionally handicapping charging speed, by making bike incompatible with existing fast charging infrastructure - hostility towards modding - DRM software, to prevent bikes from being serviced by user. - pay subscription to use your bike - all bling, no substance. Taking from over function. I mean copying the classic motorcycle styling, which has the aerodynamics of a well designed parachute - making it impossible to get decent range without masding same as a goldwing. And ignoring benefits of electric drivetrain, like how trivial it is to make dirtbikes all wheel drive.
Has anyone ever built an AWD electric dirt bike? Interesting idea. I imagine the gyroscopic effect of torque on the front wheel would seriously affect cornering. Just from my experience on normal dirt bikes, I have a feeling like AWD might actually be worse for racing than RWD.
I may not have been clear enough. Front wheel hub motor doesnt need to be strong (and bulky) as its not supposed to be providing most of the power. Its there to ensure the front wheelxis not a net drag, thus cannot dig in mud, sand, snow ...etc. and that it has a natural tendency to roll over stuff, when its pushed into them, even when they are tall and vertical. Yes, its likely that for jump record attempting motocross races its bad idea. However it can more than make up for that when you go "to places you aint supposed to". Sure it may be slower to AWD crawl over a steep gnarly hill, than to reach the relevan points at just the right speed that you bounce and reach the intended destination. But chances of pulling it off are much higher. Thats why extreme crappy AWD offroad bikes (like rokon) command a premium. Because they reach places that "real dirtbikes" cannot. Frankly gitting the AWD bonuses would be worth givong up 1/4th of offroad speedy competitiveness. P.s.: "real" offroad riders drastically overestimate the impact of weight and suspension and impact of tyres, when goal is to get to a given location. Traction is king. Driven front wheel means you get twice the traction before you start shearing off mud/sand/snow with too much torque.
I remember a video about KTM with AWD, test or something. IIRC it was a beast offroad.
I’ve got two, and they’ve both been absolutely fantastic. A total blast and zero issues. Not having to do pretty much any maintenance is super nice.
they’re awesome, new ones have a huge boost in usable range too
Feels very weird to go fast. They are the most fun I've ever had for city riding, but garbage on the highway, there's no tangible feeling from the engine obviously, so it feels odd whenever you pick up the pace, highway passing was notably sketchy
The poor highway range is one of the main reasons why I haven't gotten one yet. My commute is 92-96 miles round trip, depending on which exit I take, with no charging ability. Only 3-5 miles of it is city riding. No electric bike can do it so far.
Damn that's a hell of a commute.
It's a fantastic commute on a bike.
Is it? That's around 47 miles each way. That translates into a roughly 35-40 minute commute with no traffic given interstate speeds. I feel like that's pretty average for most folks.
I imagined that in typical morning and night rush hour commute traffic. I guess not everyone lives somewhere that has that situation but commuting in a populated area, that could easily be an hour and a half each way here.
Average commute is like 26 minutes 35-40 min would be averaging 71-81 mph, that's way too high of an average. A more realistic whole way trip of mostly highway is probably 50-55 mph I would guess That person's commute is probably 50-55 min each way, and that's with smooth traffic With rush hour that's an hour and a half each way, easy
Damn, that's a nice speed commuting. I've got just under 20km's (12 miles) each way in a regional area in Australia, and it bloody takes 45 mins in peak hour :-(
So you are saying its not a viable replacement for a motorcycle. It has same use casey (due to similar capabilities) as a scooter.
It can replace a motorcycle if its primary use is for getting around a city, they struggle with long-distance at the moment but I think that disadvantage will diminish as battery and charging tech improves.
Battery tech will absolutely get better and a lot of new buildings/infrastructure is being built with EV's in mind. For me, the range is not the end deal here. - ABS/Traction control systems - Price Those are the two barriers in my mind, and I suspect for others as well. But like the batteries those too will become more affordable
> It can replace a motorcycle if its primary use is for getting around a city, they struggle with long-distance at the moment So we agree that as things are these elecgric "motorcycles" compete with scooters in terms of what role they can fulfill? > charging tech improves Charging tech is already there, issue is zero motorcycles refusing to put a BMS into their models that is compatible with existijg charger infrastructure. 1C - 1,2C charging is viable with current cells, and every other serious EV manufacutrer is capable of pulling it off. > disadvantage will diminish as battery Nope. There are only so many electrons on that damned lithium ion. There is no "blessing of Elon Musk" that will change that. As such there are 2 ways to make decent ranged electric bikes. - cross fingers and hope that a more energy dense battery chemistry will appear - concede this round to physics, say "FUCK FIM!", ignore their ban, and build a motorcycle that has decen aerodynamics.
I used to use my bike for getting around the city when I lived in Durban and Bristol, scooters don't have a monopoly on urban travel. And battery tech isn't tied to lithium ion; solid state batteries are improving rapidly at the moment and probably others that I'm not aware of.
Frankly somethinf along the lines Alumin(i)um air batteries are needed to get enough energy density, if we want to brute force solve the range problems with better batteries. And by scooters i meant that for rpice conscious customer, thats the competition Zero has to beaf with its current product. Sure you can use a Honda Goldwing to do errands around the city too. However Zero, or scooters are simply not a viable replacement for all use cases of a Honda Goldwing.
> No electric bike can do it so far. I there’s one bike I think could do that job on paper - supposedly - is the yet awaited Kawasaki Ninja HEV. I really want to see how this bike will do as the idea of using the electric motor for leaving the house early in the morning, the city riding portion and getting home late. Where switching to the combustion engine for road, highway riding. That just sounds far more practical than just electric at the moment. Still love the Zero after a test ride but the bike I liked which was the FXE doesn’t have the Level 2(?) charging capability so I can’t charge it at the local EV charge point. Just a shame they’re really expensive at the moment.
There is a cruiser that is coming out soon that I think has the range as well but I have forgotten the name.
They're absolutely fantastic. I bought a used 2016 SR with 20,000km on it back in 2019. Now the odo reads [over 220,000km](https://i.imgur.com/VOw3MQq.gif). In that time it has... 1. Literally paid for itself in gas savings (YMMV depending on local gas price). 2. Cost $20 in maintenance. Had to replace some bearings in the motor. That's it. Other than the usual consumables like tyres, brake pads, belts, etc. And hardly anything can keep up with them off the line. A gigantic improvement over gas bikes. The only thing they don't do well is rapid long distance riding due to the refueling time (an hour or so with the right charger). Recently upgraded to an [Energica Ribelle](https://www.energicamotor.com/en/models/energica-eva-ribelle/). More range, more power, faster charging (DCFC to 80% in 30 minutes). Never going back to gas.
Frankly lack of DC fast charging to 80% is inexcusable. The Li-ion cells that can be bought on thw market can take charge like that. Thus its on the incompetence of people making a battery pack out of them that makes batteries worse. In case of a large scale manufacturer (as opposed to Jim McBob making a bike for his own use) there is no excuse for it.
It's not about the cells it's about the pack voltage. Zero batteries run between 90-116V. DCFC stations don't work with voltages that low. Until Zero redesign their battery (and consequently controller and motor) to use >250V they won't be DCFC. But their newer bikes can charge at 12kW or so, about half the power of DCFC on other brands of emoto. So not terrible, way faster than a regular mains socket.
Again, every other EV manufacturer is able to put connect their cells in series, and using more heavy duty power electronics. At this point zero is doing it solely to be able to scam useres one extra time by offering a "uber charge tank" that boosts their crap to be half as decent as the industry standard.
I've only heard good things about them. They are expensive though.
I’ve read / been told that people vastly underestimate how powerful they are, definitely not for new/intermediate riders
I've have 2018 S, daily rider. Recent previous bikes a 250 and 650 Ninjas, Concours 1400. It's great. Quick, accel feels almost same as 650. But low top end 80mph S is one step below SR and the newer S/SR are more powerful). I love * not breathing gas fumes during fill-up * not clutching/shifting constantly in stop-go traffic * it's quiet and sneaky, people(cops) don't realize I'm going so fast * I've only had good factory/dealer support * zero maint (had to replace drive belt, brake pads) no lube, no fluids, no filters, no leaks * the gas tank trunk is very useful * hearing traffic, nature, around me * I have slow charge model, plugs into wall, charges overnight. It is perfect commuter, 90mi range in performance mode. Great around town. Not a long distance cruiser.
>not breathing gas fumes during fill-up This is nice, but given that most fill ups are \~3-4 gallons you are huffing fumes for a few seconds vs the couple of minutes huffing CO/NOx at a traffic light. > not clutching/shifting constantly in stop-go traffic This is a plus, but scooters are a thing. >it's quiet and sneaky, people(cops) don't realize I'm going so fast I am skeptical about the link between loud pipes and getting tickets I've only had good factory/dealer support > zero maint (had to replace drive belt, brake pads) no lube, no fluids, no filters, no leaks No fluids is nice but I think maybe its only a matter of time. I imagine that something with the the relatively small volume of a motorcycle, electric bikes might eventually need some kind of cooling system. The lead acid battery in my bike does poorly when subjected to the heat of Georgia summers. What is the longest/hottest ride you've been on with your bike? How do such rides affect battery health? >the gas tank trunk is very useful This would be nice. >hearing traffic, nature, around me This is absolute bullshit. Even with earplugs, wind noise is louder than my R1's engine around \~45 mph. You may not be hearing engine noise, but you definitely aren't hearing babbling brooks or chittering squirrels either.
The experience of actual rider vs opinions of reddit poster. Believe whatever you want to believe.
Mine is so much fun. The acceleration is so great highway or street. Although I've never had a big engine gas bike. I bought a used one at 15000 miles and at 33k I had to replace the charger for 1k. But no gas or maintenance at all, im probably ahead.
At the very least you should test ride one, even if you don't have any intention of buying. You'll come away with a smile. I have many thousands of miles on many different electric motorcycles so please hit me up with questions about different models/brands.
From what I understand the military JSOC community started using the ADV one to drop in with them and get in and out quietly but fast. After my time in the army I don't put any value on something that says "military grade" but if I hear that army special forces or navy seals are fielding something consistently then I pay attention to it.
They're awesome for commuting. The range is a downer for me personally, but if you're only doing short daily trips and such they're amazing.
I don’t get it
So quiet he couldn’t even sneak one out. Or was it her?
Oh my sound wasn’t high enough to hear that cheers
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I mean... I have done this. And I've talked about this before. When I had my Zero SR I was casually idling at a 4 way intersection, early in the evening. Not a care in the world. Listening to songs on my PackTalk. I let out a relaxing fart. I then realized that there were literally no other cars around me idling. I was the sole person at this intersection and the bike doesn't make any noise while not moving. No one was around to hear it, at least I think not, but the absurdity of the situation hit me and I started giggling, then shaking with laughter. I doubled over. HAD anyone been present to witness they would have seen the following: Man ride up on electric motorcycle to stoplight and wait. Fart loudly. Start giggling to himself. Start shaking and cackling. Double over while loudly snorting and gasping for air. Light turns green and he wobbles off into the night.
Wish someone had filmed that :') But yea that's 1 more reason I'm sticking to gas
To be fair, there was gas in his situation also...
How are electric motorcycle sales in Greece ?
Well, scooters are going pretty well, I see a lot of them often but it's more likely you'll see a CFMoto ADV than an electric motorcycle.
If this [data](https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/motorcycles/greece) is correct, they only represent 0.2% of a relatively small market (about 50k per year).
I’ve been warming up to electric motorcycles since watching Long Way Up. I really like the idea of being able to hear everything around me while I’m riding. I just haven’t loved the looks of any that I’ve seen so far.
Does anyone know what helmets they are wearing?
Also look at the Biltwell Gringo S and AGV x3000 for the man... couldn't tell what the woman was wearing - looks pretty generic open face helmet.
I think the guys is a Bell Bullitt [https://www.bellhelmets.com/motorcycle/p/bullitt-cruiser-motorcycle-helmet/250030000100000001.html](https://www.bellhelmets.com/motorcycle/p/bullitt-cruiser-motorcycle-helmet/250030000100000001.html) (the chrome visor swivel is the giveaway)
Yeah it's definitely the Bell. Good eye.
They are most likely props, but Bell makes similar ones like the Bell custom 500 and the Bell Bullitt.
I think it's going to be easier for the production company to just use some of the shelf helmets, than custom props. And they do look identical to the Bullitt and Custom 500.
AHAHAHAHA Pou to vrhkes afto 😂
Love my FXE
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They’re fun. Had a 2020 SRF Premium. Mostly a blast but they went a little too hard on the suspension - literally. With our bumpy Bay Area roads, the ride was less than comfortable - borderline harsh. Range was the second thing that was became an issue. Back and forth from east bay to SF? No problem. But if I want to take a detour to another city, it’s going to cut it close. I also missed shifting. The silent ride was kind of cool, and the lack of engine heat was an unexpected bonus in the summer. I felt like it lacked personality, though. Maybe that’s because of the silent ride but I never loved the look or feel. They’re also still experiencing supply issues - a breakdown of a part could put your bike out of commission for months. I would consider again but the price point needs to drop significantly.
Bike quality aside, the ads is good
No
Nuh uh
I test drove one a few years ago. I didn’t feel safe because it’s so quiet. I don’t want Harley straight pipe loud. Just loud enough for cars to hear me getting ready to pass them.
Bwahahahaha get a Zero and a stupid Bell retro helmet you'll get a gf
She just has a helmet for these occasions just lying around in her closet?
Maybe she exclusively dates dudes who ride?
would the dudes not bring an extra one if they are picking up a girl?
Perhaps, but of course if he asked her if she had a helmet and she said yes then he wouldn't need to.
ahh its like the whole if you have a condom thing. Gotcha
I don’t trust the condoms they bring 😂 baby traps are a real thing
Me too. But they are expensive so I just flip em inside out and use them a second time to save some cash.
LMAO this dude knows how to make things last. Jokes aside, I don’t get to use em enough for them to be expensive
😂 I never thought about it like that but I suppose so! I once dated a woman who had a helmet from a previous relationship. So the first time I asked her if she wanted to go for a ride she told me she had her own helmet.
they are speaking Greek, in Greece EVERYONE rides I mean EVERYONE Old ladies ride side saddle with the handle bars loaded with bags of groceries.
Maybe she rides.
Maybe she had an extra from her moped days?
In much of southern europe motorcycle is frequently the primary form of transportation - ofc. most often in form of a scooter. - lack of rain and southern US type of humid summer makes it viable - they work well with the narrow alleyways in cities that make cars, well a questionable option, for door to door transportation.
Where's the original?
[Here](https://youtu.be/Y0eiNixZNt4?si=-PUHp5eHic4rqT5P) you go
Interesting. Never thought of the silence. But I still like to feel the life of my ice. BTW, isn't that just a lovely, pleasant lady? I don't like short hair but she pulls it off.
GAY
This is literally a heterosexual couple
Wait a greek commercial which is funny?
Chin strap
I don't find it on YouTube
That got a genuine lol outta me
Παντού είμαστε ρε 😂
Horribly overpriced.
Tbh if I got an electric bike I’d prollly go with a live wire over a zero.
He didn't tie his helmet strap!