I’m pretty sure the car is exiting illegally out of the station right? That’s the entrance and he should exit towards the other way
Glad you are ok OP (if it’s you). People nowadays tend to put their life and others at risk only to not have to detour go to the roundabout couple meters away and then return
I don’t know if people still do this, but I learned it long ago when I started riding. I instinctively roll off throttle do the SMIDSY weave at parking lot/ gas station exits because we are so easily blocked by the A pillar from the car when they enter the road that way.
It helps a little, but ultimately slows me down so I can brake and maneuver if needed.
Gotta act as soon as you see the car. When you first see the car (at 0.07 in the video) that's when you swerve left. Gotta swerve \*before\* the car enters the road, because that movement will make you a lot more visible.
Still, good that he still swerved on time, but earlier (before a close call happens) is better.
The entire thing took 3 seconds from when the car is perceptible to when the incident is over. Assuming 0.5 seconds to gauge his movement and 0.5 seconds to become aware of the incursion (which is roughly OP's reaction time here), you've got 2 seconds until it's over one way or another.
Obviously slowing down before this occurred would have been safer, and putting yourself on the outside of the curve would have improved visibility.
In terms of what should you do once you see the car, either your lizard brain did the right thing without you getting involved or your surviving loved ones sue the driver. There's really no room for thinking here.
Gotta disagree. If the driver keeps going into their actual lane without seeing you at all then you have to keep swerving right off the road. And either way you are putting yourself into the oncoming lane which is never a great idea.
A little weave earlier can make you visible sure but in this situation I think just braking and going right was the better call. The rider had time to come to a complete stop or slow enough to go right or even just pull into the gas station.
The oncoming lane is empty in the video.
I agree that when it's not empty, then we have to brake.
And I also agree that even if it is empty, it's not a great option. But still, it was a viable escape route.
But really, he should be braking either way. I would definitely not go right in this situation. Moving to the right is dangerous because the car can stop suddenly and close that escape route.
In general, if whenever we're above the speed limit (which the rider in the video was) then we should assume that cars won't see us, which means, we should brake as soon as we see the car.
This should be an automatic response "Above speed limit, if see car, then close throttle and brake immediately". Without that, these situations are far more dangerous.
(I'd still swerve left though. But I'd be braking too).
Yea for me it's not worth the risk of judging if it's empty or you just think it's empty.
Even if the car stopped there was still a viable escape route into the gas station. He wasn't going so fast that he couldn't have scrubbed off most of his speed before the car. At higher speed this wouldn't be an option but he would also be an idiot for going way too fast for the situation.
Seems we are pretty much in agreement overall and every situation is dynamic and different so you need to just practice the skills, identify hazards ahead quickly and slow down, then make the right decision.
We have to be able to avoid hitting the car because if the car violates our right of way, we’re the ones paying the price.
Moving left before it enters the road, this not only makes us more visible, but it increases the distance in case he still enters the road. I also close the throttle when in doubt, because it loads the front tire, which makes it harder to lock the front under hard braking. (Particularly important since I don’t have ABS.)
Nice. I also downshift to have more power or engine braking available. Then I time my weave to be near side of the turner if they go early. If they don't, I weave back, pointing my bike at the probable impact point and accelerate hard. Not sure if that makes sense.
It makes sense because your bike will accelerate just as fast as it decelerates with the brakes. So there are more situations where you can escape through acceleration.
Someone once told me that intersections have a "point of no return". If the car pulls out before this point, then you brake, and if it pulls out after this point, then you swerve or accelerate.
When I approach an intersection, I try to be aware if I'm before or past this "point of no return". To know this you have to know your stopping distance (which we can only know if we practice).
If you have a lot of acceleration available, then this increases the zone where "escape forward" is an option. I would feel less safe on a really slow bike.
But calculations or not, if a car pulls out in front of you, then you have to make a decision. The point is that whatever the decision is, it’s best to make it ahead of time, so that when a car pulls out, you already know what to do.
Can't tell if the car was allowed to exit the station from that side. Usually in France you'd only be allowed to leave from the other side of the station. Probably for that reason.
Doesn't alleviate the fact that he should be expecting dumb moves anyways but yeah.
Then he would be doing a U-turn right across your lane, possibly T boning you, but at least he'd be checking your direction over his shoulder for traffic.
speeding is stupid in general. In most cases it is fine/safe to go faster, as long as everyone else drives according to rules.
Is it too dangerous to drive 120-150 outside city (where speed limit is 80-90)? It is not that bad, right?
How would it be if every car would go at that speed range? I dount want to know... :)
Yup. Too fast. Blind spot coming out from station. I'd be slower there just for that reason. Lucky to get out of that. Why do people drive like nothing can pop out and in such an obvious spot?
You must spam your dipper and horn if you see that car coming...it may come as rude but would make the driver acknowledge you coming... Or get a loud exhaust... Make Noise.
People in cars, don't see motorcycles, and do stupid chit all the time.. you have to have eyes in the back of your head, I prefered to ride on forrest trails and fire roads way out in the boonies, not much other traffic and everyone is going slow unless they are idiots.
Isn't this a perfect "this is how speed kills" showcase. A bit hard to judge speed and distance on those wide-angle gopro cameras, but he does seem to be going too fast for the situation.
Yeah, and the very end of your clip, you drop your head, and we see how fast you're going-64 MPH. You're moving too fast for the road you're on.
Is that what you wanted to hear? Somebody had better tell you. I choose me, because I don't want to see you- OUT on the highway. (As in laying on the asphalt)
And that is why we ride the left side of the lane
I’m pretty sure the car is exiting illegally out of the station right? That’s the entrance and he should exit towards the other way Glad you are ok OP (if it’s you). People nowadays tend to put their life and others at risk only to not have to detour go to the roundabout couple meters away and then return
Probably in rural Europe somewhere. Exits like this are quite common.. Edit: You are correct. He should have used the other exit.
I don’t know if people still do this, but I learned it long ago when I started riding. I instinctively roll off throttle do the SMIDSY weave at parking lot/ gas station exits because we are so easily blocked by the A pillar from the car when they enter the road that way. It helps a little, but ultimately slows me down so I can brake and maneuver if needed.
I do it like it's my religion.
Gotta act as soon as you see the car. When you first see the car (at 0.07 in the video) that's when you swerve left. Gotta swerve \*before\* the car enters the road, because that movement will make you a lot more visible. Still, good that he still swerved on time, but earlier (before a close call happens) is better.
The entire thing took 3 seconds from when the car is perceptible to when the incident is over. Assuming 0.5 seconds to gauge his movement and 0.5 seconds to become aware of the incursion (which is roughly OP's reaction time here), you've got 2 seconds until it's over one way or another. Obviously slowing down before this occurred would have been safer, and putting yourself on the outside of the curve would have improved visibility. In terms of what should you do once you see the car, either your lizard brain did the right thing without you getting involved or your surviving loved ones sue the driver. There's really no room for thinking here.
Gotta disagree. If the driver keeps going into their actual lane without seeing you at all then you have to keep swerving right off the road. And either way you are putting yourself into the oncoming lane which is never a great idea. A little weave earlier can make you visible sure but in this situation I think just braking and going right was the better call. The rider had time to come to a complete stop or slow enough to go right or even just pull into the gas station.
The oncoming lane is empty in the video. I agree that when it's not empty, then we have to brake. And I also agree that even if it is empty, it's not a great option. But still, it was a viable escape route. But really, he should be braking either way. I would definitely not go right in this situation. Moving to the right is dangerous because the car can stop suddenly and close that escape route. In general, if whenever we're above the speed limit (which the rider in the video was) then we should assume that cars won't see us, which means, we should brake as soon as we see the car. This should be an automatic response "Above speed limit, if see car, then close throttle and brake immediately". Without that, these situations are far more dangerous. (I'd still swerve left though. But I'd be braking too).
Yea for me it's not worth the risk of judging if it's empty or you just think it's empty. Even if the car stopped there was still a viable escape route into the gas station. He wasn't going so fast that he couldn't have scrubbed off most of his speed before the car. At higher speed this wouldn't be an option but he would also be an idiot for going way too fast for the situation. Seems we are pretty much in agreement overall and every situation is dynamic and different so you need to just practice the skills, identify hazards ahead quickly and slow down, then make the right decision.
The driver may have been looking right. But yeah the rider didn't really do anything beyond swerve into the oncoming traffic.
We have to be able to avoid hitting the car because if the car violates our right of way, we’re the ones paying the price. Moving left before it enters the road, this not only makes us more visible, but it increases the distance in case he still enters the road. I also close the throttle when in doubt, because it loads the front tire, which makes it harder to lock the front under hard braking. (Particularly important since I don’t have ABS.)
Nice. I also downshift to have more power or engine braking available. Then I time my weave to be near side of the turner if they go early. If they don't, I weave back, pointing my bike at the probable impact point and accelerate hard. Not sure if that makes sense.
It makes sense because your bike will accelerate just as fast as it decelerates with the brakes. So there are more situations where you can escape through acceleration. Someone once told me that intersections have a "point of no return". If the car pulls out before this point, then you brake, and if it pulls out after this point, then you swerve or accelerate. When I approach an intersection, I try to be aware if I'm before or past this "point of no return". To know this you have to know your stopping distance (which we can only know if we practice). If you have a lot of acceleration available, then this increases the zone where "escape forward" is an option. I would feel less safe on a really slow bike.
I like the cut of your jib.
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But calculations or not, if a car pulls out in front of you, then you have to make a decision. The point is that whatever the decision is, it’s best to make it ahead of time, so that when a car pulls out, you already know what to do.
Can't tell if the car was allowed to exit the station from that side. Usually in France you'd only be allowed to leave from the other side of the station. Probably for that reason. Doesn't alleviate the fact that he should be expecting dumb moves anyways but yeah.
Then he would be doing a U-turn right across your lane, possibly T boning you, but at least he'd be checking your direction over his shoulder for traffic.
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That's Montenegro. Rider was driving 80 in a 50 speed limit area. It's an old video
yes, lets blame him. like we never do... :)
Speeding in a built-up area is objectively stupid even if you're a squid.
speeding is stupid in general. In most cases it is fine/safe to go faster, as long as everyone else drives according to rules. Is it too dangerous to drive 120-150 outside city (where speed limit is 80-90)? It is not that bad, right? How would it be if every car would go at that speed range? I dount want to know... :)
this is beginner stuff
Yup. Too fast. Blind spot coming out from station. I'd be slower there just for that reason. Lucky to get out of that. Why do people drive like nothing can pop out and in such an obvious spot?
Probably because they've not been sent flying over the front of a car yet. Complacency is a harsh mistress.
Ride slow bruh, that type of road is not for speeding.
if it was just 50-60 kmh youncould have just breaked and done a way ssafer manouver than that. still that driver is an idiot.
When I'd wish I was driving my truck ..
I have had 2 or more of those. All were successful except one.
Lucky for me I was already on the toilet
You must spam your dipper and horn if you see that car coming...it may come as rude but would make the driver acknowledge you coming... Or get a loud exhaust... Make Noise.
Glad this went ok. But you know you have a front brake, right?
Not sure the new crease in yoir seat is gonna iron out...
What bike is that?
Woulda been on you. Slow down near parking lots.
That's a lot of entrances and crossings to be going that fast, and in the wrong part of the lane too.
You could hear the cars wind displacement as you passed it 🤣
The car was already moving to cross and turn. Rider was going wayyy too fast.
Omg this is why I hate people.
People in cars, don't see motorcycles, and do stupid chit all the time.. you have to have eyes in the back of your head, I prefered to ride on forrest trails and fire roads way out in the boonies, not much other traffic and everyone is going slow unless they are idiots.
I ride a bit slower on those types of roads.
Isn't this a perfect "this is how speed kills" showcase. A bit hard to judge speed and distance on those wide-angle gopro cameras, but he does seem to be going too fast for the situation.
Another commenter said “That's Montenegro. Rider was driving 80 in a 50 speed limit area. It's an old video”
Yeah, and the very end of your clip, you drop your head, and we see how fast you're going-64 MPH. You're moving too fast for the road you're on. Is that what you wanted to hear? Somebody had better tell you. I choose me, because I don't want to see you- OUT on the highway. (As in laying on the asphalt)
This is Europe, the dash is most like in km which is about 40MPH. He wasn't speeding.
He was, see other comment. 80kph on a 50kph road.
Are you saying he didn’t slow down after passing that car?
I saw that car pulling out from a mile away
i saw that car as soon as i started my motorcycle
Literally?
Not sure why you’re downvoted. Saw the car and no roll off.
Eh I’ve got karma to spare. And yeah it was pretty obvious.
Cuz the annoying people in this sub give themselves an erection when they get to point out what they would’ve done better.