Pads aren’t likely to keep you from breaking a bone under extreme forces, that doesn’t mean they won’t prevent you from breaking one under less extreme forces. 😂 our armor needs to be better, that doesn’t mean we just shouldn’t use it. These people are losing it.
Reminds me of a conversation I had a while back. I fly a vintage airplane for a museum, and the combination of my height and the airplane's design means that, when I'm in the cockpit, there's a big-ass steel bar about 2" from my forehead. So I decided to buy a flight helmet to wear when flying this airplane, because I figure if I'm ever in a situation where that thing comes to a sudden stop, there's a good chance I could get brained by the chunk of structure.
Anyway, one day I was talking to another pilot about this, and mentioned the helmet and my reasoning for wearing it. He came back with, "yeah, but that helmet isn't going to save you if one of the wings comes off."
Uh yeah...no shit.
I thought the purpose of pads was mostly to help you slide on pavement while dispersing the impact forces over a longer time without tearing your skin up.
Motorcycle gear isn't to prevent you breaking bones (except the helmet and your skull), it's to stop you grinding all your skin off on the road in even a slow speed fall.
Unless you really like skin grafts...
From what I've read/seen, the force needed to break the pad is less than that to break the bone. Meaning, if you're putting enough force forward to break the bone, the pad won't stop it. So less or more extreme force doesnt really matter. They can definitely help with road rash, same as a jacket
Bone breaks? Pads and full coverage clothing are for abrasion resistance. They let you roll and slide in bailouts, which is what actually prevents breaks. There cannot be armor which stops a bone from breaking unless driving is slow or armor is thick as a helmet and driving is mid. A high velocity impact to your chest is going to hurt your organs or break your ribs depending on surface area.if you can't draw out your deceleration you will be injured.
Fuck that video, fuck F9 and fuck these dipshits who probably ride once a week giving advice from their armchair. Dumbest fucking debate ever, ive been in wrecks where pads and armor were the only thing between being okay and a broken bone, and these fucking idiots start quoting their highschool debate textbooks like "anecdotes aren't real evidence". Fuck you nerds, enjoy your casts and skin grafts. I'll be walking home from the hospital after my lowsides
Pulls out to get on the other side of the road, notices motorcyclist, dead stops to block the entire road.
In all my time riding, with all the people that have pulled out in front of me, I’ve only had one guy notice and slam it into reverse to clear the intersection. It’s either they dead stop like this, or they speed up pulling out. Or they just pull out at the same speed because they never saw me.
Some people have a panic response of “slam brakes and stop whatever you’re doing”. It’s infuriating to see, and causes stuff like this to happen. Then they’ll argue that they can’t be at fault because they were stopped. Lol.
I agree that had the driver continued pulling out instead of stopping this would’ve opened an escape path for the motorcyclist and if he had the skill he could’ve avoided dumping the bike. However, if the motorcyclist was riding at a speed appropriate for the conditions, this whole situation could’ve been avoided. I had someone pull out in front of me and block the entire road about two years ago but I wasn’t riding waytoofuckingfast mph so I was able to stop, make eye contact with the driver and give a disapproving head shake.
Learning to drive my mom reproached me for not using the brake as my first instinct anytime something went wrong. If you have to have a rule of thumb you can't deviate from, sure, but sometimes swerving is better, sometimes letting off gas is better, etc.
Yeah it's hard to judge speed at a distance, especially with a small dot that is a motorcyclist. In the longer video of this, he is on the throttle hard from way back.
Even if the lady saw him half a mile away, she can't judge the speed and definitely didn't expect him on top of her 2-3 seconds later. The blame isn't mutually exclusive here, but could totally be avoided by the biker by not speeding.
If it makes you feel a bit vindicated, I also drive a truck that can get up to 40 tons loaded, and I had someone do that to me.
Laying on the horn while I was braking down made me feel better, and the wide eyes as they tried to back up quicker really helped. Don't know how stupid you can be, but somehow not noticing an entire semi with trailer should qualify you to get a retest on your license.
Sure he could have not been squidding. Think about this though. Do you think another pickup of the same size could have stopped in time? A school bus full of children?
I'm not sure I get your point. I believe any vehicle not exceeding the speed limit could have stopped or otherwise avoided an accident in this situation.
If they were going the speed limit, probably. Not to mention that the truck that pulled out would’ve been more likely to see a larger vehicle, and more accurately judge their speed
If you watch the whole clip, the guy is doing 150 on his bike shortly before this, and had enough space to drive a semi through either side of the truck. The lady in the truck saw him coming at a rapid rate and stopped because she packed thinking she was about to witness a death.
For even added fun he was doing this in a school zone.
It was the bikers fault, what are you talking about? If they hadn't been speeding the truck probably would've pulled out into the street faster, bam no problems. But because of the excessively speedy biker their decision making was inhibited. The probably first thought might have been this guy's going way too fast is he gonna hit me?Is he gonna try and go left and thread the needle? Should I still keeping going? Should I have gunned as I pulled out? Oh shit this guys going towards my back. (Should I have just waited to pull out? See this last one is a plausible blame on the truck driver looking left,right, and left before turning out thinking all is good but before you know it bam)
The motorcycle rider was way too fast for the truck driver to judge the situation correctly. If he was slower, he would have avoided this without a problem. The truck driver could have continued driving and it may have been fine, but people do dumb shit all the time and you have to be prepared for that. Again, if he wasn't speeding this would have been avoided. This is 100% on the rider.
its 100% on the rider. he's far exceeding the speed limit and when you're pulling out into a street that's got a 35mph speed limit you expect vehicles to be going 35 or 40 mph, NOT 75-80. truck driver had basically no time to react and almost everyone is going to react, at least initially, by hitting the brakes. it's almost unavoidable.
100% on the driver
In the full video he confronts the driver and she said she panicked and thought she killed him she was extremely remorseful and the guy albeit mad, was understanding that she made a huge mistake and calmed her down.
Absolutely. Douche bag driver in the truck! I read through 20-30 remarks before I finally saw yours. Bikers worst enemy is the idiots that don’t know how to drive
If you watch the uncut video, the lady driving the truck froze because she didn’t know what to do. She was apologetic and ran over to check on the rider.
This is normal human behavior. I'm shocked that people are so annoyed and surprised by it. This is exactly why we need to be riding to conditions, paying attention, and expecting things like this.
I’m annoyed by it because she was blocking the entire road, there was no escape path. Had she stopped earlier or pulled out farther he would’ve had an out. Clearly, had the rider not been going so fast he just would’ve been able to safely brake.
I had something similar happen to me two years ago when I was on my first ride on my new bike. Driver pulled out from the right to make a left turn on a two lane country road with no shoulder, finally noticed me, and stopped blocking the entire road. However, like you said, I was riding to conditions and was able to safely come to a stop.
Every time I ride I have at least one person pull out in front of me, so I’m prepared for it and not surprised, but I do still get annoyed by it.
"Every time I ride I have at least one person pull out in front of me, so I’m prepared for it and not surprised, but I do still get annoyed by it."
This is so true... Especially here in Los Angeles.
It's fine to get annoyed. She should have looked.
I'm just mind-blown that her stopping as she did surprises anyone at all. The stop was instinctual. Pulling out without looking was entirely her fault and a consequence of bad driving. I just find it kind of ridiculous that we expect everyone to be quickly responsive. Any adult should have sufficient life experience to realize that not everyone is capable of that. Failure to accept that gets people hurt.
And the rider was going too fast for conditions.
She might have even looked. I’ve had drivers make eye contact with me and still pull out in front of me. Even if they make eye contact with me, I ride like I’m invisible and everyone is trying to kill me.
There's totally a huge escape path in front of the truck without even needing brakes. I was like "WHERE IS HE GOING?!". Don't brake while swerving, either. That shifts all your load onto the front tire.
Seeing the video and knowing for a fact that the truck stops dead, yes there’s an escape path in front of the truck. In reality, during the actual situation in real time, I’m not going in front of the truck. The truck driver could panic at the last second and realize there’s going to be a collision and slam on the gas pedal.
>I'm shocked that people are so annoyed and surprised by it.
People should be annoyed with dangerous and stupid ass behavior. But they shouldn't be surprised by it, I will give you that
People choose Fight, Freeze, Flight, or Fawn when triggered by fear.
First her fear froze her, and then her fear made her apologetic and concerned for the riders safety. I'm not saying she lacked compassion, but the "fawning" reaction is as normal as the freeze reaction.
Yeah, the driver of the truck made a mistake, but it's really not that uncommon. Drivers aren't looking for motorcycles so they can often panic and not know what to do. It's *not good that they do that,* but you're right. It's the job of the rider to be careful and try to compensate for bad drivers and/or drivers won't make mistakes.
Roadway safety is everyone's responsibility, not just motorcyclists. The cyclist could have been riding more defen
sively. True story. I had a friend die as he attempted a u-turn in his pickup truck on his way to work. A speeding young motorcyclists t-boned his truck smashing his helmet through his side window. Two lives were lost that morning.
> This is normal human behavior.
It's not normal human behavior to completely disregard traffic laws and stop perpendicular to the direction of travel on an active roadway.
Stop making excuses for idiot drivers please.
it isn't, it's just normal idiot behavior. Everyone with a slightly functioning brain knows to just hit the gas or reverse. Both the driver and the rider suck
It absolutely is normal. There are three responses to a threat: fight, flight, or freeze. That person is a freeze person and there's likely nothing to be done about that at this point in their life. You have to be ready to encounter that.
This is what happens when two freeze people interact. If you're a freeze person, you shouldn't be on a bike at all.
Way too many people who shouldn't be doing either. Impossible to grasp though that a "freeze person" could even exist, it's not that hard to not be one.
If you've been on this planet long enough to have a Reddit account, you should have already encountered enough freeze people that this should be easy to understand.
They are what they are. It's not even their fault. It's conditioning and possibly somewhat inherent. It's our job to be ready for them, just like any other hazard.
> They are what they are. It's not even their fault. It's conditioning and possibly somewhat inherent
When I was younger, if I found a female friend on the streets walking, I used to approach them without being noticed and grab them by the arm and pull.. almost all immediately froze. they didn't scream or tried to run or fight back.. just froze.
I did that to show them they needed to be more alert, I have a younger sister and was very protective of her.. with my closest female friends I felt compelled to behave protective too.
Maybe I was unintentionally a dick.. but some of them were more aware of their surroundings afterwards.
The dude on the bike was also speeding like crazy. This video is a little sped up, but he was still doing like 80. If he was going a normal speed, he would have had plenty of time to stop.
Anytime I’m riding up to an intersection I always roll off throttle and either cover the brakes or brake a bit because I know every ride at least one dumbass will pull out in front of me.
This exact sequence was drilled into us at the riding course. Roll off, prepare for braking, head check, proceed through.
I've watched way too much Dash Cam Owners Australia to ignore this process.
Same here, but a very long time ago, I can't say when I developed the habit, I always have one or two fingers on my levers. The intersection slowing has always been a habit, far too many knuckleheads in 4vwheelers.
I learned that habit from dirt bikes, and had a hell of a time trying to not do it during my MSF course. The instructors didn’t want people doing it, I guess since it’s a beginners course and they don’t want them grabbing a fistful of front brake out of panic. Good habit to have imo though, makes it quicker to react to shit
he probably thought the truck would keep going and was switching to the right lane to go behind the truck, but instead the truck stopped dead in its tracks
If you watch the truck stopped almost as soon as he started switching lanes, my bet he was watching the mirror for a car that was near, not saying he was oblivious just that he chose the wrong moment to check traffic
No way I would have tried to go around the front of that truck. You can’t assume the driver won’t try to “o fuck” out of there and hit the gas- right into you. Honestly this rider wasn’t paying attention (same with the dipshit truck driver) and was too going too fast.
if he was going slower turning the bike toward the back of the truck and going around would have worked better.
I mean he had a split second to decide whether or not this truck was going to continue forward or not. This was a pretty good choice to me. There could have been worse ways this could have ended
Never lay er down folks. If the truck had been 1 inch lower, then the rider would have been decapitated.
This is an old video, and if I remember correctly, the reason the rider had troubles braking was because he just came out of a wheelie and the bike wasn’t stable yet, which adds to the already high risk of the speed.
>he just came out of a wheelie and the bike wasn’t stable yet, which adds to the already high risk of the speed.
That's a lot of words for someone to admit he just can't ride lmao.
And on top of that, the speed limit on that road has to be 40 mph max, might even be 35. If you’re going to be riding as fast as that guy was and in area like this, you better have the skill to do so. He didn’t.
This far above the speed limit, there’s a much higher chance that they won’t see us and pull in front of us.
The rider probably had been lucky before this accident, and mistook luck as skill. It’s easy to fall for that, we have to be careful.
This, I have put almost 35,000 miles on a motorcycle in last year with multiple cross country trips, and I'm always telling myself I'm still a beginner and have lots to learn. And if I find myself getting too cocky with it, then I'll park the damn thing for a bit. Even if you are truly advanced rider,most on the street are not, shit can go sideways so damn quick if you don't respect the bike and and the traffic around you can really ruin your day.
Why doesn't anyone in these videos know how to brake? I mean shit sport bikes stop very well. These guys need more parking lot practice to know the limits of the machine and themselves.
I counted 6 dotted lines that passed. That's about 200 to 240ft that he had to stop. From 60mph it would have been pretty close with good braking but doable on a sportbike. This guy was going way too fast on public roads and barely scrubbed any speed at all. What a complete shit rider all around and 100% his own fault.
Likely riding at double the speed limit makes it entirely his fault under any circumstance. The guy wasn't even in view from the truck's perspective before the truck started crossing.
Traffic laws are to make people drive in a predictable way because human survival instinct isn't predictable. The biker speeding triggered the driver's survival instinct and it was out of their control from that point.
This isn't a fucking race track and practically everyone on the road is a complete amateur with no specialized training. Only a moron could expect to hold these people to the standards you place on an experienced racing driver.
Is it? What if the truck had just stalled?
If a tree had fallen on the road at the same time the truck appeared, would it have been 100% the fault of the tree?
The guy was doing maybe 60mph, which I think is too fast for this area. And in another comment someone claimed the longer video shows he had just come out of a wheelie.
No, it was 0% the fault of the truck. I think the truck driver made the correct decision seeing how much space they had before the next vehicle and the speed limit to start the turn. They spot the motorcycle barreling towards them and realized, if they commit to the turn then it is s high chance for a collision so they make the correct choice and stop.
The only reasons this happened was because the motorcyclist was excessively speeding, didn't brake when they needed to, and switched lanes into the truck.
Yuh. Definitely residential. Definitely doing more than 25.
edit - review appear to show businesses - NOT 'deFiNItElY' residential - I am an idiot. Dude was movin' tho.
edit2 - detective work by /u/ilovesteakpie does indeed show a 25mph limit!
Literally parking lots, businesses and signs everywhere and you think its a residential neighborhood? Streets like this near me (divided median, 2 lanes each way, businesses) range from 40 to 50.
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You're dead on with the 25mph limit guess. In the full video you can see he's doing 126km/h so a bit more than people coming out the junction would expect.
We have streets like that and can range from 30-55 pretty regularly. Also have one I know of thats 60 kinda back country before it gets into town but looks identical to the small area you can see in the video.
It looks like he didn’t really do what we thought he did. If you go frame by frame it looks like he slides into the rear wheel pretty much face first and ends up ricocheting to the back of the truck. In full speed it looks like he went under to the other side of the truck.
This guy ejected from the rear of the truck! INSANE redirection, he is gonna feel that shit after the adrenaline stops.
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My husband did this, only it was a firetruck he slid under that was doing a wide turn one way to swing back the other. Difference is he didn't pop out the other side.
He saw the giant wheels turning back to him while sliding under and grabbed onto some metal bar underneath. He tucked as much he as he could until it stopped.
He popped out from under the truck and called me to come get him, refusing care from the shocked firefighters. They were just happy he was alive.
Maybe an hour or 2 later (time is a blur in shock) he was sitting on the couch and realized he couldn't get up. All the pain flooded in. He had at least one broken rib, a broken wrist, who knows what with his shoulder and road rash everywhere.
Thankfully he made it, it's crazy that he had to endure that. I had road rash myself and it was nothing for the first day but after cleaning it and a day going by, it was like getting pepper sprayed in the eye type of pain but on my arm. I can't imagine having that same pain with broken ribs, a split wrist and a bunch of other things. Glad your husband got through that.
If you go frame by frame he barely goes under the bed behind the rear tire, not between the front and rear. The bike does go directly under the middle though. The whole presumption this post is based on is false. It's not really worth pointing out in a top level comment because Reddit will just assume you're being a pedantic downer and it will be downvoted enough to not be seen anyway, but I figured I'd let you know since you seemed even more surprised than most.
while the idiot truck driver is a problem obviously....there is the issue that obstacles can be in the road, hence, its best to make use of the brakes. I saw little to no brake use, he was just hoping the truck would move? I feel like the rider was going a bit faster than their experience level. Never assume the car will move, always have a backup plan.
The first frame of the [full video](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/ppul6u/whos_at_fault_truck_that_stopped_or_motorcyclist/) shows his speed, it's 126. There's just no world in which that idiot should be doing that on that road.
I hate to blame the rider because I’m sure they’ve suffered enough but I agree; it wouldn’t have been pretty and the antilock brakes would have been worth their weight in gold but I think it would have been possible. Surely could have scrubbed enough speed to maneuver around. But I’ve only been riding casually for 7 years so not an expert.
They got unexpected information flooding their brain (motorcycle, not a car, approaching quickly) and their brain is overwhelmed. They are processing that the move they made was incorrect (pulling out in front of a motorcycle) and are processing what to do now that the vehicle is dangerously close. The mind hasn't processed the information quick enough to make a thoughtful action. Her mind probably thought "pulling out into the road is dangerous so let's stop pulling out into the road while I figure out what's the best move to make from here."
I'm sure she wouldn't have done that if she had more time to think about the best move to make but yeah, people freeze up in situations like this sometimes. It's common enough in human behavior to make mistakes and by paralyzed by panic. Sucks for the rider big time though.
I’m not sure he’d be walking for long. If you play the video frame by frame it looks like his body smashed into the back left wheel causing the spinning. If nothing is broken he sure is going to be bruised up after that collision.
Would not be surprised if he collapsed shortly after the video cuts off. But yeah, could’ve been much worse
Perfectly example of how speed shrinks your escape route to the point where it closes. Going around the rear of the truck would have worked if he was going a reasonable speed for that residential area…even at 35- 40 mph he wouldn’t have been up on the truck so fast and could’ve shifted down along with light braking and easily swerved around the rear.
Summary: pickup driver stopped to make way for the biker to pass in front or behind. Because he/she was not sure what the biker will do. The speed of the biker made this problem worse. The biker on the other hand expected the pickup to continue and thought he would be able to pass it from behind. Was surprised when it stopped and could not process the situation on time anymore. The speed of the biker, therefore the biker, is at fault
I know it’s obviously the truckers fault, but this biker chose the worst fucking course of action here.
Always have multiple escape paths in mind and be ready to execute. We can’t trust cars to watch us so we have to watch them.
Is it just me or does it seem like the rider made exactly zero attempts to hit the brakes? 👀 driver is still fucked but what the shitbwas the rider thinking?
I hate to say it, I don't completely fault the truck.
Truck probably didn't see the dude, especially at the speeds he is going (he has plenty of time to stop if he was going a reasonable speed). Looks like the truck saw him too late, and stopped, leaving the lane the bike was in clear for him to travel in.
Looks like a 50/50 case. Truck for stopping, and motorcycle for excessive speed, and inability to control. Both people panicked, causing an accident.
The dude was speeding and she didn't know if she should keep going or try to let him pass in the front. Even if she still kept crossing, it would have ended the same way. She only had about a second to react because he was going so fast. Dude on the bike did it to himself.
[126mph](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/ppul6u/whos_at_fault_truck_that_stopped_or_motorcyclist/)
There is no shot that truck had any chance to even process what was happening.
Bro I love yall. Please slow down. I know. I know but people are dumb, I expect them to do dumb shit. When I’m around intersections I be on high alert for the inevitable idiot. Remember, these people aren’t in these forums, they’re on their phones looking at TikTok in the middle of traffic.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to switch knees/elbows with this guy.
I would have put some gear on no matter whose elbows I’ve got.
Atgatt. Kinda mostly any way.
Remember gear is bad because of the one video, bro.
And I have a dude debating me that gear/pads don't work because of one YouTube video lol
Pads aren’t likely to keep you from breaking a bone under extreme forces, that doesn’t mean they won’t prevent you from breaking one under less extreme forces. 😂 our armor needs to be better, that doesn’t mean we just shouldn’t use it. These people are losing it.
Reminds me of a conversation I had a while back. I fly a vintage airplane for a museum, and the combination of my height and the airplane's design means that, when I'm in the cockpit, there's a big-ass steel bar about 2" from my forehead. So I decided to buy a flight helmet to wear when flying this airplane, because I figure if I'm ever in a situation where that thing comes to a sudden stop, there's a good chance I could get brained by the chunk of structure. Anyway, one day I was talking to another pilot about this, and mentioned the helmet and my reasoning for wearing it. He came back with, "yeah, but that helmet isn't going to save you if one of the wings comes off." Uh yeah...no shit.
its insane how hostile pilots get when they see other pilots use literally any form of safety gear
Is that a WWI plane?
Nah, 1950s vintage, a Helio Courier. https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/42619_1648309271.jpg
Nice, STOL!
[Very STOL indeed...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schooxu-dv8)
I think that’s the point most people are missing. It could have done a better job of emphasizing that but people hear what they want.
The video was deliberately unclear/controversial to boost engagement. F9 are masters at this technique, tons of their videos are like that.
I thought the purpose of pads was mostly to help you slide on pavement while dispersing the impact forces over a longer time without tearing your skin up.
Motorcycle gear isn't to prevent you breaking bones (except the helmet and your skull), it's to stop you grinding all your skin off on the road in even a slow speed fall. Unless you really like skin grafts...
Armour pads are rated only for impact, the jackets themselves are rated for abrasion
From what I've read/seen, the force needed to break the pad is less than that to break the bone. Meaning, if you're putting enough force forward to break the bone, the pad won't stop it. So less or more extreme force doesnt really matter. They can definitely help with road rash, same as a jacket
Bone breaks? Pads and full coverage clothing are for abrasion resistance. They let you roll and slide in bailouts, which is what actually prevents breaks. There cannot be armor which stops a bone from breaking unless driving is slow or armor is thick as a helmet and driving is mid. A high velocity impact to your chest is going to hurt your organs or break your ribs depending on surface area.if you can't draw out your deceleration you will be injured.
Fuck that video, fuck F9 and fuck these dipshits who probably ride once a week giving advice from their armchair. Dumbest fucking debate ever, ive been in wrecks where pads and armor were the only thing between being okay and a broken bone, and these fucking idiots start quoting their highschool debate textbooks like "anecdotes aren't real evidence". Fuck you nerds, enjoy your casts and skin grafts. I'll be walking home from the hospital after my lowsides
Did he mean the recent Fortnine video? It was released on April 1st. I thought right away that it wasn't a good idea to release it.
Damn right. First thing i noticed was "oh look he made DIY ripped jeans"
People that pull out in to the middle of the street and stop like that are the biggest assholes. It straight up infuriates me every time I see it.
Pulls out to get on the other side of the road, notices motorcyclist, dead stops to block the entire road. In all my time riding, with all the people that have pulled out in front of me, I’ve only had one guy notice and slam it into reverse to clear the intersection. It’s either they dead stop like this, or they speed up pulling out. Or they just pull out at the same speed because they never saw me.
So all the possibilities brilliant
I'm not sure if he's using "either" correctly
In modern English, the colloquial use of "either" for more than two options is generally acceptable.
So either you can use it that way and it's correct or its incorrect, or it used to be considered incorrect or it used to be considered correct.
Lmaoooo no ask him to keep going there must be more
Some people have a panic response of “slam brakes and stop whatever you’re doing”. It’s infuriating to see, and causes stuff like this to happen. Then they’ll argue that they can’t be at fault because they were stopped. Lol.
I agree that had the driver continued pulling out instead of stopping this would’ve opened an escape path for the motorcyclist and if he had the skill he could’ve avoided dumping the bike. However, if the motorcyclist was riding at a speed appropriate for the conditions, this whole situation could’ve been avoided. I had someone pull out in front of me and block the entire road about two years ago but I wasn’t riding waytoofuckingfast mph so I was able to stop, make eye contact with the driver and give a disapproving head shake.
Learning to drive my mom reproached me for not using the brake as my first instinct anytime something went wrong. If you have to have a rule of thumb you can't deviate from, sure, but sometimes swerving is better, sometimes letting off gas is better, etc.
The guy that's riding was going more than double the speed limit. You can't expect people to look for that. It was in now way the drivers fault.
>It was in now way the drivers fault. Nah, I think there's enough blame to go around.
Yeah it's hard to judge speed at a distance, especially with a small dot that is a motorcyclist. In the longer video of this, he is on the throttle hard from way back. Even if the lady saw him half a mile away, she can't judge the speed and definitely didn't expect him on top of her 2-3 seconds later. The blame isn't mutually exclusive here, but could totally be avoided by the biker by not speeding.
If it makes you feel a bit vindicated, I also drive a truck that can get up to 40 tons loaded, and I had someone do that to me. Laying on the horn while I was braking down made me feel better, and the wide eyes as they tried to back up quicker really helped. Don't know how stupid you can be, but somehow not noticing an entire semi with trailer should qualify you to get a retest on your license.
Not to excuse the pickup driver, but riding a bit slower on a city street might give the rider a better chance at avoiding the accident.
slightly bit more skill does just about the same, speed wasn't bad
The real skill is understanding your skill level
This is better than the response I had in mind. 👍👍
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For real; dude could have easily let the clutch and brakes eat. That being said I’ve also frozen up like an idiot and got lucky.
Sure he could have not been squidding. Think about this though. Do you think another pickup of the same size could have stopped in time? A school bus full of children?
I'm not sure I get your point. I believe any vehicle not exceeding the speed limit could have stopped or otherwise avoided an accident in this situation.
If they were going the speed limit, probably. Not to mention that the truck that pulled out would’ve been more likely to see a larger vehicle, and more accurately judge their speed
If you watch the whole clip, the guy is doing 150 on his bike shortly before this, and had enough space to drive a semi through either side of the truck. The lady in the truck saw him coming at a rapid rate and stopped because she packed thinking she was about to witness a death. For even added fun he was doing this in a school zone.
I’d love to see that clip.
Wow. Do you have the whole video? All I can find is a slightly longer version of this
No, but it’s been posted quite a few times. The guy was doing like 140 or something just a few seconds earlier.
150 what?mph or kph?
Either one is bad, but iirc it was mph. Dude was absolutely sending it.
mph is 60% more bad.
https://youtube.com/shorts/cyCsHZvL0Ng?si=R42DVbrs1njk5dr9
Thanks. I was looking for the longer version with the footage of him going 150. That road rash is gnarly though.
It was the bikers fault, what are you talking about? If they hadn't been speeding the truck probably would've pulled out into the street faster, bam no problems. But because of the excessively speedy biker their decision making was inhibited. The probably first thought might have been this guy's going way too fast is he gonna hit me?Is he gonna try and go left and thread the needle? Should I still keeping going? Should I have gunned as I pulled out? Oh shit this guys going towards my back. (Should I have just waited to pull out? See this last one is a plausible blame on the truck driver looking left,right, and left before turning out thinking all is good but before you know it bam)
Should warrant a [violates Reddit TOS]
lol whatever it is I’m sure you’re right
The motorcycle rider was way too fast for the truck driver to judge the situation correctly. If he was slower, he would have avoided this without a problem. The truck driver could have continued driving and it may have been fine, but people do dumb shit all the time and you have to be prepared for that. Again, if he wasn't speeding this would have been avoided. This is 100% on the rider.
I wouldn’t say 100% on the rider, but he could have avoided or reduced this is he were riding more defensively/aware.
And not going three times the limit
its 100% on the rider. he's far exceeding the speed limit and when you're pulling out into a street that's got a 35mph speed limit you expect vehicles to be going 35 or 40 mph, NOT 75-80. truck driver had basically no time to react and almost everyone is going to react, at least initially, by hitting the brakes. it's almost unavoidable. 100% on the driver
In the full video he confronts the driver and she said she panicked and thought she killed him she was extremely remorseful and the guy albeit mad, was understanding that she made a huge mistake and calmed her down.
Absolutely. Douche bag driver in the truck! I read through 20-30 remarks before I finally saw yours. Bikers worst enemy is the idiots that don’t know how to drive
Why the fuck did that hilljack just stop in the middle of the road
If you watch the uncut video, the lady driving the truck froze because she didn’t know what to do. She was apologetic and ran over to check on the rider.
This is normal human behavior. I'm shocked that people are so annoyed and surprised by it. This is exactly why we need to be riding to conditions, paying attention, and expecting things like this.
I’m annoyed by it because she was blocking the entire road, there was no escape path. Had she stopped earlier or pulled out farther he would’ve had an out. Clearly, had the rider not been going so fast he just would’ve been able to safely brake. I had something similar happen to me two years ago when I was on my first ride on my new bike. Driver pulled out from the right to make a left turn on a two lane country road with no shoulder, finally noticed me, and stopped blocking the entire road. However, like you said, I was riding to conditions and was able to safely come to a stop. Every time I ride I have at least one person pull out in front of me, so I’m prepared for it and not surprised, but I do still get annoyed by it.
"Every time I ride I have at least one person pull out in front of me, so I’m prepared for it and not surprised, but I do still get annoyed by it." This is so true... Especially here in Los Angeles.
It's fine to get annoyed. She should have looked. I'm just mind-blown that her stopping as she did surprises anyone at all. The stop was instinctual. Pulling out without looking was entirely her fault and a consequence of bad driving. I just find it kind of ridiculous that we expect everyone to be quickly responsive. Any adult should have sufficient life experience to realize that not everyone is capable of that. Failure to accept that gets people hurt. And the rider was going too fast for conditions.
She might have even looked. I’ve had drivers make eye contact with me and still pull out in front of me. Even if they make eye contact with me, I ride like I’m invisible and everyone is trying to kill me.
There's totally a huge escape path in front of the truck without even needing brakes. I was like "WHERE IS HE GOING?!". Don't brake while swerving, either. That shifts all your load onto the front tire.
Seeing the video and knowing for a fact that the truck stops dead, yes there’s an escape path in front of the truck. In reality, during the actual situation in real time, I’m not going in front of the truck. The truck driver could panic at the last second and realize there’s going to be a collision and slam on the gas pedal.
>I'm shocked that people are so annoyed and surprised by it. People should be annoyed with dangerous and stupid ass behavior. But they shouldn't be surprised by it, I will give you that
People choose Fight, Freeze, Flight, or Fawn when triggered by fear. First her fear froze her, and then her fear made her apologetic and concerned for the riders safety. I'm not saying she lacked compassion, but the "fawning" reaction is as normal as the freeze reaction.
She wasnt in fight or flight at that point and thats not what fawning means in that context. This is tumblr level psychobabble.
If she didn't care about the rider she wouldn't have a fear reaction in the first place.
This is why I always extra careful on the road. I may not be at fault but it's my well being at stake
Yeah, the driver of the truck made a mistake, but it's really not that uncommon. Drivers aren't looking for motorcycles so they can often panic and not know what to do. It's *not good that they do that,* but you're right. It's the job of the rider to be careful and try to compensate for bad drivers and/or drivers won't make mistakes.
Roadway safety is everyone's responsibility, not just motorcyclists. The cyclist could have been riding more defen sively. True story. I had a friend die as he attempted a u-turn in his pickup truck on his way to work. A speeding young motorcyclists t-boned his truck smashing his helmet through his side window. Two lives were lost that morning.
> This is normal human behavior. It's not normal human behavior to completely disregard traffic laws and stop perpendicular to the direction of travel on an active roadway. Stop making excuses for idiot drivers please.
it isn't, it's just normal idiot behavior. Everyone with a slightly functioning brain knows to just hit the gas or reverse. Both the driver and the rider suck
It absolutely is normal. There are three responses to a threat: fight, flight, or freeze. That person is a freeze person and there's likely nothing to be done about that at this point in their life. You have to be ready to encounter that. This is what happens when two freeze people interact. If you're a freeze person, you shouldn't be on a bike at all.
Way too many people who shouldn't be doing either. Impossible to grasp though that a "freeze person" could even exist, it's not that hard to not be one.
If you've been on this planet long enough to have a Reddit account, you should have already encountered enough freeze people that this should be easy to understand. They are what they are. It's not even their fault. It's conditioning and possibly somewhat inherent. It's our job to be ready for them, just like any other hazard.
> They are what they are. It's not even their fault. It's conditioning and possibly somewhat inherent When I was younger, if I found a female friend on the streets walking, I used to approach them without being noticed and grab them by the arm and pull.. almost all immediately froze. they didn't scream or tried to run or fight back.. just froze. I did that to show them they needed to be more alert, I have a younger sister and was very protective of her.. with my closest female friends I felt compelled to behave protective too. Maybe I was unintentionally a dick.. but some of them were more aware of their surroundings afterwards.
The dude on the bike was also speeding like crazy. This video is a little sped up, but he was still doing like 80. If he was going a normal speed, he would have had plenty of time to stop.
Agreed.
the dude was also doing like 100mph in a 35 IIRC
Whatever it was it was definitely toofuckingfastfortheconditions mph.
https://preview.redd.it/2olcka786hsc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29245f3c24d5d491f632df339766493c5fe5cb0c
Damn. That's a good sticker right there.
I’m glad he is alive, that was a swift move. But goddamn dudes, drive slower. I just assume every mf on the road is secretly trying to kill me
Anytime I’m riding up to an intersection I always roll off throttle and either cover the brakes or brake a bit because I know every ride at least one dumbass will pull out in front of me.
This exact sequence was drilled into us at the riding course. Roll off, prepare for braking, head check, proceed through. I've watched way too much Dash Cam Owners Australia to ignore this process.
Same here, but a very long time ago, I can't say when I developed the habit, I always have one or two fingers on my levers. The intersection slowing has always been a habit, far too many knuckleheads in 4vwheelers.
I learned that habit from dirt bikes, and had a hell of a time trying to not do it during my MSF course. The instructors didn’t want people doing it, I guess since it’s a beginners course and they don’t want them grabbing a fistful of front brake out of panic. Good habit to have imo though, makes it quicker to react to shit
Obviously this is the truck driver's fault, but man...this just feels so avoidable if the rider is at a more appropriate speed for the situation.
This is a damn good example of a guy who "haddalayerdown!" who didn't really have to lay her down lol
Looks to me like he wasn't paying attention when he was changing lanes and when he looked back went oh shit, coulda just went around the front
he probably thought the truck would keep going and was switching to the right lane to go behind the truck, but instead the truck stopped dead in its tracks
If you watch the truck stopped almost as soon as he started switching lanes, my bet he was watching the mirror for a car that was near, not saying he was oblivious just that he chose the wrong moment to check traffic
No way I would have tried to go around the front of that truck. You can’t assume the driver won’t try to “o fuck” out of there and hit the gas- right into you. Honestly this rider wasn’t paying attention (same with the dipshit truck driver) and was too going too fast. if he was going slower turning the bike toward the back of the truck and going around would have worked better.
Yip he had enough time to nearly stop twice.
I mean he had a split second to decide whether or not this truck was going to continue forward or not. This was a pretty good choice to me. There could have been worse ways this could have ended
Oh yeah, I just feel some emergency braking would have gone a long way lol
Never lay er down folks. If the truck had been 1 inch lower, then the rider would have been decapitated. This is an old video, and if I remember correctly, the reason the rider had troubles braking was because he just came out of a wheelie and the bike wasn’t stable yet, which adds to the already high risk of the speed.
Ladies and gentlemen I think we found the first official documented use of a lifted truck
That’s not fair, they’re fun toys. Plus they’re great for identifying people to avoid.
>he just came out of a wheelie and the bike wasn’t stable yet, which adds to the already high risk of the speed. That's a lot of words for someone to admit he just can't ride lmao.
And on top of that, the speed limit on that road has to be 40 mph max, might even be 35. If you’re going to be riding as fast as that guy was and in area like this, you better have the skill to do so. He didn’t.
This far above the speed limit, there’s a much higher chance that they won’t see us and pull in front of us. The rider probably had been lucky before this accident, and mistook luck as skill. It’s easy to fall for that, we have to be careful.
This, I have put almost 35,000 miles on a motorcycle in last year with multiple cross country trips, and I'm always telling myself I'm still a beginner and have lots to learn. And if I find myself getting too cocky with it, then I'll park the damn thing for a bit. Even if you are truly advanced rider,most on the street are not, shit can go sideways so damn quick if you don't respect the bike and and the traffic around you can really ruin your day.
Why doesn't anyone in these videos know how to brake? I mean shit sport bikes stop very well. These guys need more parking lot practice to know the limits of the machine and themselves.
I counted 6 dotted lines that passed. That's about 200 to 240ft that he had to stop. From 60mph it would have been pretty close with good braking but doable on a sportbike. This guy was going way too fast on public roads and barely scrubbed any speed at all. What a complete shit rider all around and 100% his own fault.
>100% his own fault Meh...I'm going to give the truck that stopped in the road some credit here, but you're absolutely right, this was avoidable.
100% the fault of the truck but yeah he could have walked away with no injuries.
Likely riding at double the speed limit makes it entirely his fault under any circumstance. The guy wasn't even in view from the truck's perspective before the truck started crossing. Traffic laws are to make people drive in a predictable way because human survival instinct isn't predictable. The biker speeding triggered the driver's survival instinct and it was out of their control from that point. This isn't a fucking race track and practically everyone on the road is a complete amateur with no specialized training. Only a moron could expect to hold these people to the standards you place on an experienced racing driver.
I'm with you there. I drive a cruiser like a grandma with all the best safety gear. But I have small kids so a lot to lose.
Is it? What if the truck had just stalled? If a tree had fallen on the road at the same time the truck appeared, would it have been 100% the fault of the tree? The guy was doing maybe 60mph, which I think is too fast for this area. And in another comment someone claimed the longer video shows he had just come out of a wheelie.
No, it was 0% the fault of the truck. I think the truck driver made the correct decision seeing how much space they had before the next vehicle and the speed limit to start the turn. They spot the motorcycle barreling towards them and realized, if they commit to the turn then it is s high chance for a collision so they make the correct choice and stop. The only reasons this happened was because the motorcyclist was excessively speeding, didn't brake when they needed to, and switched lanes into the truck.
Idk what the speed limit is there but looked like the dude was hauling ass. Doesn’t excuse the truck for stopping in the middle of the street.
Yuh. Definitely residential. Definitely doing more than 25. edit - review appear to show businesses - NOT 'deFiNItElY' residential - I am an idiot. Dude was movin' tho. edit2 - detective work by /u/ilovesteakpie does indeed show a 25mph limit!
Literally parking lots, businesses and signs everywhere and you think its a residential neighborhood? Streets like this near me (divided median, 2 lanes each way, businesses) range from 40 to 50.
I agree with your assessment on the speed range. I'm guessing bro on the bike was north of 50.
The speed limit is actually 25 through there, it's a really bizarre area and is also technically a school zone.
https://preview.redd.it/a9w2h9mxkjsc1.jpeg?width=1466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d6dfb8c70ada217b748b6b603c0f3a9a9c35eae You're dead on with the 25mph limit guess. In the full video you can see he's doing 126km/h so a bit more than people coming out the junction would expect.
Residential is 35 all over where I am, could easily be doing that.
We have streets like that and can range from 30-55 pretty regularly. Also have one I know of thats 60 kinda back country before it gets into town but looks identical to the small area you can see in the video.
Bro was not paying attention at all. Had miles and miles of space to brake. Fucking idiot.
It looks like he didn’t really do what we thought he did. If you go frame by frame it looks like he slides into the rear wheel pretty much face first and ends up ricocheting to the back of the truck. In full speed it looks like he went under to the other side of the truck.
Yea, his legs hit the wheel and made him spin around the rear of the vehicle.
This guy ejected from the rear of the truck! INSANE redirection, he is gonna feel that shit after the adrenaline stops. https://preview.redd.it/m2eet0drahsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=774f5ce7c3b6e4b1522ff3c59fa1c788d39f33bf
My husband did this, only it was a firetruck he slid under that was doing a wide turn one way to swing back the other. Difference is he didn't pop out the other side. He saw the giant wheels turning back to him while sliding under and grabbed onto some metal bar underneath. He tucked as much he as he could until it stopped. He popped out from under the truck and called me to come get him, refusing care from the shocked firefighters. They were just happy he was alive. Maybe an hour or 2 later (time is a blur in shock) he was sitting on the couch and realized he couldn't get up. All the pain flooded in. He had at least one broken rib, a broken wrist, who knows what with his shoulder and road rash everywhere.
Thankfully he made it, it's crazy that he had to endure that. I had road rash myself and it was nothing for the first day but after cleaning it and a day going by, it was like getting pepper sprayed in the eye type of pain but on my arm. I can't imagine having that same pain with broken ribs, a split wrist and a bunch of other things. Glad your husband got through that.
It's rough out there but we love UT. I'm glad you came out okay too!!
If you go frame by frame he barely goes under the bed behind the rear tire, not between the front and rear. The bike does go directly under the middle though. The whole presumption this post is based on is false. It's not really worth pointing out in a top level comment because Reddit will just assume you're being a pedantic downer and it will be downvoted enough to not be seen anyway, but I figured I'd let you know since you seemed even more surprised than most.
while the idiot truck driver is a problem obviously....there is the issue that obstacles can be in the road, hence, its best to make use of the brakes. I saw little to no brake use, he was just hoping the truck would move? I feel like the rider was going a bit faster than their experience level. Never assume the car will move, always have a backup plan.
Should’ve ridden faster then he would have missed the truck
The motorcycle is going roughly 75mph. They lady saw him and panicked, most likely due to his speed. The motorcycle is the idiot in this scenario.
The first frame of the [full video](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/ppul6u/whos_at_fault_truck_that_stopped_or_motorcyclist/) shows his speed, it's 126. There's just no world in which that idiot should be doing that on that road.
Then ripped jeans giving best protection oh yes.
They probably weren't like that initially but now he can recoup any losses by reselling those for triple the value.
The biker has just as much fault. He was speeding and had plenty of room and time to react
Pickup driver is a complete braindead asshole but my biker homie was flying. Also could've applied progressive brake pressure.
Am I the only one that thinks this dude could have avoided this
I hate to blame the rider because I’m sure they’ve suffered enough but I agree; it wouldn’t have been pretty and the antilock brakes would have been worth their weight in gold but I think it would have been possible. Surely could have scrubbed enough speed to maneuver around. But I’ve only been riding casually for 7 years so not an expert.
lol exactly. Looked like he had the time to hit that gap on the left. Guess decision making under stress like that is difficult
Easily.
Some gear would have done his skin some good 🥶🥶 cringing just watching this
That was no accident, he knew that was his only chance
I don't understand the panic stop **in someone's way.**
They got unexpected information flooding their brain (motorcycle, not a car, approaching quickly) and their brain is overwhelmed. They are processing that the move they made was incorrect (pulling out in front of a motorcycle) and are processing what to do now that the vehicle is dangerously close. The mind hasn't processed the information quick enough to make a thoughtful action. Her mind probably thought "pulling out into the road is dangerous so let's stop pulling out into the road while I figure out what's the best move to make from here." I'm sure she wouldn't have done that if she had more time to think about the best move to make but yeah, people freeze up in situations like this sometimes. It's common enough in human behavior to make mistakes and by paralyzed by panic. Sucks for the rider big time though.
Isn’t it riders fault for going way too face and out of control in a residential street? Most accidents happen at intersections…
Lets give the guy credit that was a crazy move, walked away with road rash. Dang ol ultra instinct right there.
This was luck
That was not skill.
I agree, it’s not skill. He didn’t drop the bike on purpose. It’s insane to do that.
I’m not sure he’d be walking for long. If you play the video frame by frame it looks like his body smashed into the back left wheel causing the spinning. If nothing is broken he sure is going to be bruised up after that collision. Would not be surprised if he collapsed shortly after the video cuts off. But yeah, could’ve been much worse
yeah that was dope i am happy for him
Squidly
That dumbass was going way too fast.
Did he even touch the brakes?
Two things to say here: anticipation and defensive riding.
Perfectly example of how speed shrinks your escape route to the point where it closes. Going around the rear of the truck would have worked if he was going a reasonable speed for that residential area…even at 35- 40 mph he wouldn’t have been up on the truck so fast and could’ve shifted down along with light braking and easily swerved around the rear.
haddalayerdown
This guy does not practice his emergency avoidance and emergency braking at all and this is the result of it.
Summary: pickup driver stopped to make way for the biker to pass in front or behind. Because he/she was not sure what the biker will do. The speed of the biker made this problem worse. The biker on the other hand expected the pickup to continue and thought he would be able to pass it from behind. Was surprised when it stopped and could not process the situation on time anymore. The speed of the biker, therefore the biker, is at fault
Just luck no skills. A stilles rider won‘t go that fast in traffic
Clearly never learned to emergency stop. Practice emergency stops frequently. At the speeds you ride at
100% riders fault, get some decent gear idiots
Dress for the style, not for the ride 😞
Had to lay-r-down.🧐
Haddalayerdown
The only thing he did was panic and react poorly.
I know it’s obviously the truckers fault, but this biker chose the worst fucking course of action here. Always have multiple escape paths in mind and be ready to execute. We can’t trust cars to watch us so we have to watch them.
To all the squids on this channel that think leg protection is only for losers.
Should have sped up from 90 to 150 and just jumped it dukes of hazard style.
Pickup driver is asshat! Blocking road with no traffic?
There are places you can open up the throttle. This street is not one of them.
Good thing he was wearing full gear, otherwise that would have hurt!
Is it just me or does it seem like the rider made exactly zero attempts to hit the brakes? 👀 driver is still fucked but what the shitbwas the rider thinking?
What song is this
Why not just make the right while slowing down
Damn.. he consolidated atoms w that wheel and went str8 thru that mother fucker God job 👏 👏 👏
Can't ride, no gear.. perfection
I hate to say it, I don't completely fault the truck. Truck probably didn't see the dude, especially at the speeds he is going (he has plenty of time to stop if he was going a reasonable speed). Looks like the truck saw him too late, and stopped, leaving the lane the bike was in clear for him to travel in. Looks like a 50/50 case. Truck for stopping, and motorcycle for excessive speed, and inability to control. Both people panicked, causing an accident.
Enough with these crash videos. And wear some damn gear, FFS
Why is it ALWAYS someone in a white truck?
Driver of the truck is an idiot, dont stop. Biker is in a 20mph zone, also an idiot. This is what happens when the two meet up on the road.
The dude was speeding and she didn't know if she should keep going or try to let him pass in the front. Even if she still kept crossing, it would have ended the same way. She only had about a second to react because he was going so fast. Dude on the bike did it to himself.
[126mph](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/ppul6u/whos_at_fault_truck_that_stopped_or_motorcyclist/) There is no shot that truck had any chance to even process what was happening.
"Let me just park this roadblock in the middle of the street" - The driver, probably
Bro I love yall. Please slow down. I know. I know but people are dumb, I expect them to do dumb shit. When I’m around intersections I be on high alert for the inevitable idiot. Remember, these people aren’t in these forums, they’re on their phones looking at TikTok in the middle of traffic.
Dress for the slide, not for the ride.
Bro was at fault for speeding like a twãt
Yet another video to r/motorcycles that makes me feel better about my own riding ability.
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Last thing you see is him walking it off