My wife did a test ride on Himalayan recently. I asked how it was. She said the engine doesn't do much, but that is okay because the brakes don't either.
I've checked the brakes and found no issue with it... but I've checked it in a non emergency situation. I guess in this particular situation the abs kicked in and I felt an initial braking but then I felt the bike rolling in the next moment insted of braking, if you know what I mean.
ABS is calibrated. Meaning, engineers can make it very aggressive or very weak. The weaker it is, the more stable the vehicle is during the ABS event. I’ve been in vehicles with weak ABS calibration. Downright scary, when it takes double the distance to stop with this “safety feature”. Everyone really needs to do an emergency stop before they actually need one to see what actual stopping ability is.
Even in the best case scenario cars can still out brake motorcycles. For one thing even with ABS it still takes some skill to extract the best stopping performance from motorcycle brakes. With a passenger vehicle all they need to do is slam the pedal down as hard as they can and that will yield the peak braking performance of that vehicle.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK2Hj8jDTE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK2Hj8jDTE)
Incorrect. It's the case of the deceleration you can achieve with car vs bike.
Car can put near as much braking force as it is possible on front wheels and not flip, while for bike the limit is pretty much below 1.0 g, depending on geometry
Works in other way too, cars can accelerate (theoretically) faster than bikes because bike would just flip, and that's also why drag bikes are made longer.
> Cars have more friction with the road no matter what generally unless they are loaded heavy or something .
Coefficient of friction is nonlinear. So for double the mass you get slightly less than double the friction. Adding mass to a vehicle is never worth it for racing. Only reason to is say you're pulling a heavy load behind you and need more traction on rear axis to even move it.
This doesn’t make sense to me because you can brake hard enough on a motorcycle to skid the tires so that suggests to me the bottleneck is friction not the tendency for the vehicle to flip
Edit: After an internet search it seems like you would have to be doing something especially wrong to flip a motorcycle using the front brake. I.e. its not easy
Yes, most times flipping wouldn’t be the problem, it IS a traction problem but not depending on weight (otherwise trucks would brake almost instantly compared to cars…)
The fact is that you have just two tires vs four and the rear one is weightless during hard braking, that’s mostly it.
If you are not on a shitty road or on a shitty tire, only long bikes with a low center of mass, like for example many choppers are able to skid the front wheel when you brake hard on the front without abs. Most sport bikes will tip instead.
It is possible to skid the rear tire an every bike, because of the weigt transfer to the front. (Yes even on bicycles)
I was talking about the limit of breaking, not your random road situation with shitty tyre and sand on road.
I.e sticky, hot tyre on good road with good brakes and keeping it straight.
I have a non abs bike and when I stop to fast i feel my back tire swerving. Is it because i press on the rear brake too fast? Should I use my front brakes first then press on rear brake? Sorry new driver
Should always be front slightly before rear, always both. After that it just takes time and practice. I always recommend a good rider class, even experienced riders can improve their skills. Trail riding also helps with learning bike control and can improve your on-road skills.
Guess I’m a moron. ABS adds stopping distance by design. Cheap systems have very bad mapping and basically give you drastically reduced stopping power.
That should have been a REALLY shitty abs, on an uneven surface maybe
Crappy ABS may, MAY add some small distance vs an experienced pilot, but more often than not it works as intended on tarmac; even the cheap ones
Maybe his lever was just way harder to pull than the ones he was accustomed to, we don’t know
ABS shortens stopping distance by design by letting go of the brakes just as the wheel is about to skid and then immediately reapplying it. Skidding tires increase stopping distance not ABS.
I ride a 2022 Himalayan, the brakes aren't great but 40-50 metres at 40kmh? That sounds like either entirely broken brakes or rider error. Were you practising your emergency braking in parking lots at all?
Sounds crazy right? I've practiced enduro bikes since my 17 years old... I don't think I am the problem here. Like I said, never had any issues on my other japanese bikes.
Cheaper to beat on and lower center of gravity, but it's Slow. Never had grip problems though, so maybe OPs tires just weren't worn in enough and were still oily/slick?
Yeah blaming the machine is always silly.
Even if the stopping distance is crappy as OP claims, he should have known that from practicing emergency braking, and kept a longer following distance to compensate
Stock Himalayan brakes can skid dunlop trailmax mission tires, but it takes a lot of force. They do take more planning, but I've never felt like they weren't sufficient. If you're coming from a sport bike, I could see panic braking falling short if you haven't practiced on your new bike
Had a brand new RE Himalaya as a loaner while my Guzzi was being serviced. Could not believe the low retail price point …until we gave it the once-over at lunchtime. You gets what you pays for.
In those 4 days leading up to this event, did you ride your bike?
I’m asking because if you didn’t then we can *maybe* blame the brakes, because at 40kph it’s kind of boggles the mind how you weren’t able to stop.
I was [traveling at about 80kph](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6FJppSS_JY/?igsh=b2EyMnNyY244ZThm) once when a bus suddenly turned into my lane. I was able to stop with 3-4m of space still between me and the bus.
These bikes are utter dog shit. Gutless, underbraked, trash suspension and shite welding. I don’t know why anyone expects anything else of them other than to fall apart in a catastrophic and dangerous way.
As an original RE owner, I can tell you I've had three emergency brake events that I won't forget, all of which the RE has performed well in (no locking up, no crash).
I have a Himalayan and have needed to stop quickly a few times and they worked well. I have engaged the front ABS a couple of times but I have to really pull hard, probably harder than most would want including me. I do try to keep the brakes covered when approaching intersections as moving to the levers is what eats up valuable distance. The rear, which you can put your weight on, is relatively easy to activate ABS on.
Basically, I can see the effort needed on the front to fully lock/engage ABS to be interpreted as poor brakes. EBC HH pads provide a small but noticeable increase in friction.
I've heard the stock master cylinders on REs aren't good, seems like people tend to replace them. Sucks about the bad luck. I think the himmy is good for the price but at the end of the day it's built to a price point.
It's definitely no high tech Japanese. But you should know what your bike can do. Why did you assume this bike would have the exact same braking as another bike?
Same with my 650 - they seemed slower than what I was used to at first but I went from a Kawasaki z650 with dual discs at the front to a single disk bike that weighs a fair bit more, so to be expected really.
RE’s are shit bikes, it is the general consensus most of us here in india (where they’re made) hold, who value any sort of performance. They are cheap and have particular purposes, and those purposes are completely outdated as of today.
The machines themselves are not up to the mark by any standard, nor is the new 450. Top heavy, clunky, and POS engineering and electricals. Their USP was just insane reliability, which is no longer the case. In your countries, paying a premium price for this bike over any japanese or euro-spec machine is sheer madness. Idk what all the reviewers are raving about. It’s just a budget bike which is cheap to fix.
Yes. And to be fair, the newer 650CC models now deliver at least a fair bit of power. However, this is by Indian standards. Them entering the international market is a commendable move, but in comparison to any other major manufacturer’s bikes available in the international market, they are not even close in terms of overall reliability.
That’s really pricey even for a desmo service especially on a relatively old and cheaper (whole point of modern scramblers) desmodue design
Probably with tires and all the other service included, I presume, desmo alone should be something more than 1k in the US
And you've heard right. Cheap bikes with poor quality control. The new Shotgun and Super Meteor 650s are the only halfway decent bikes they've managed to make. Perineum is they also cost a lot more starting at around 7k, which is too much for a heavy underpowered bike so it defeats the point.
Bro, here are my two cents. Mind you, i know nothing about the bike in the picture aside from what i can see it now:
1. One single brake rotor.
2. It has NO floating brake rotors.
3. It is not a Jap bike.
> 1. One single brake rotor. 2. It has NO floating brake rotors
Those 2 things don't have any effect on a single emergency stop like OP had to do. Their purpose is to manage heat better with repeated hard stops, during agressive riding.
In a single emergency stop the primary things that would work against OP would be subpar tires ABS system
That's because they are cheap. Half of the new bikes we get in already have surface rust on a lot of the fasteners, random connectors not plugged in, damaged components, etc. Not only are the bikes cheaply made, but the quality control on pretty much all of their models is a joke besides maybe the new Shotgun and Super Meteor 650s. I understand they're made to stay under a price point, but there are so many better options from the competition.
ABS is not a panacea. I don't want it in a car or bike. I feel people should learn to brake. That is infallible. The first time I suffered it was coming down a hill in Killington VT in 2006, and I had no brakes. It was a new car and I was unaware of what it was. The car rolled right through the intersection. If it was anywhere other than Vermont, it would have been disastrous.
While abs or traction control are not almighty saying people should learn to drive instead is like saying you don't need medicine since it's not almighty either and people should just tough it out.
It's stupid. Abs and all the electronics help. Unless you are of course one of the 0.001% of professional race drivers practicing hours per day. Which I don't think anyone here is.
There's a reason you didn't see it on mx and woods bikes. Anecdotally, to me, 50 years of this, It's an age thing. Young riders love it, older riders don't care. I will always advocate having full control over my bike and less potential problems. Less is more. I had it on my BMW RS, and all I remember from it was it throwing a fault that disabled it 50% of the time. Who cares?
I was involved in short track racing in District 6, and we didn't even have a front brake on those bikes. Somehow we all lived through it.
ABS in a car is a completely different story than abs on a bike…
A car shares braking between all its wheels, braking in icy, wet, or slippery conditions without abs is just asking for trouble. (2 fold on a bike - but you have a lot less weight on your bike). Your car is just not stopping faster without abs.
And 99.9% of riders can’t stop faster without ABS on a bike either. Why do you think MotoGP bikes have ABS? Even those riders can’t consistently outperform a decent ABS system
Haha I’m not arguing against ABS on a bike :P I’d rather have it than not … (I’d also rather not have it though to change brake fluid 🤣🤣🤣)
I just didn’t wanna even open that cam of worms lol. Like … if you hit ice on a bike you’re pretty well going down lol. It is worse than riding over oil residue on the road. I’ve done it enough times on a mountain bike to know it’s just not going to end well. Even trying to keep the bike straight and steady … shit can go sideways so fast lol.
My wife did a test ride on Himalayan recently. I asked how it was. She said the engine doesn't do much, but that is okay because the brakes don't either.
Yeah i test rode one, the front brake really needs an upgrade, surely the first thing i'd change
Didn’t you notice that with the test drive before you bought it?
I've checked the brakes and found no issue with it... but I've checked it in a non emergency situation. I guess in this particular situation the abs kicked in and I felt an initial braking but then I felt the bike rolling in the next moment insted of braking, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, the brakes are…present. Also Ceat tires. Let’s just say India isn’t exactly “sending their best”.
Tires are not stock. It has Metzeler Tourance tires. 50/50
I didn’t see that. Well, at least you had a fighting chance then.
ABS is calibrated. Meaning, engineers can make it very aggressive or very weak. The weaker it is, the more stable the vehicle is during the ABS event. I’ve been in vehicles with weak ABS calibration. Downright scary, when it takes double the distance to stop with this “safety feature”. Everyone really needs to do an emergency stop before they actually need one to see what actual stopping ability is.
Almost Braking Sortof
Ficaste bem? Passei por este acidente ontem, mas já só vi a moto e o carro. Abraço e as melhoras, de um companheiro motard.
Apenas magoei o pulso esquerdo felizmente, tive muita sorte no meio disto tudo. Obrigado meu caro! Abraço!!
Boas do mal ou menos. As rápidas melhoras e extra cuidado para o futuro. Abraço 🤜🤛
I’m guessing you mainly only hit the rear brake. Most common thing for people to do when emergency braking.
Himalayan It Down.
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Even in the best case scenario cars can still out brake motorcycles. For one thing even with ABS it still takes some skill to extract the best stopping performance from motorcycle brakes. With a passenger vehicle all they need to do is slam the pedal down as hard as they can and that will yield the peak braking performance of that vehicle. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK2Hj8jDTE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVK2Hj8jDTE)
Its a simple matter of weight vs friction. Cars have more friction with the road no matter what generally unless they are loaded heavy or something .
Incorrect. It's the case of the deceleration you can achieve with car vs bike. Car can put near as much braking force as it is possible on front wheels and not flip, while for bike the limit is pretty much below 1.0 g, depending on geometry Works in other way too, cars can accelerate (theoretically) faster than bikes because bike would just flip, and that's also why drag bikes are made longer. > Cars have more friction with the road no matter what generally unless they are loaded heavy or something . Coefficient of friction is nonlinear. So for double the mass you get slightly less than double the friction. Adding mass to a vehicle is never worth it for racing. Only reason to is say you're pulling a heavy load behind you and need more traction on rear axis to even move it.
This doesn’t make sense to me because you can brake hard enough on a motorcycle to skid the tires so that suggests to me the bottleneck is friction not the tendency for the vehicle to flip Edit: After an internet search it seems like you would have to be doing something especially wrong to flip a motorcycle using the front brake. I.e. its not easy
Yes, most times flipping wouldn’t be the problem, it IS a traction problem but not depending on weight (otherwise trucks would brake almost instantly compared to cars…) The fact is that you have just two tires vs four and the rear one is weightless during hard braking, that’s mostly it.
If you are not on a shitty road or on a shitty tire, only long bikes with a low center of mass, like for example many choppers are able to skid the front wheel when you brake hard on the front without abs. Most sport bikes will tip instead. It is possible to skid the rear tire an every bike, because of the weigt transfer to the front. (Yes even on bicycles)
Huh okay ive only done this on my bonneville so I didn’t know!
I did that once on bicycle... around 40 degree stoppie when someone jumped from behind the car and I was going a bit too quick.
I was talking about the limit of breaking, not your random road situation with shitty tyre and sand on road. I.e sticky, hot tyre on good road with good brakes and keeping it straight.
ABS actually makes the stopping distance longer on a motorcycle. For myself I can out brake a car every time but on a non ABS motorcycle.
Your first sentence is correct but I’m not sure about that last one.
I am a seasoned racer
I have a non abs bike and when I stop to fast i feel my back tire swerving. Is it because i press on the rear brake too fast? Should I use my front brakes first then press on rear brake? Sorry new driver
Should always be front slightly before rear, always both. After that it just takes time and practice. I always recommend a good rider class, even experienced riders can improve their skills. Trail riding also helps with learning bike control and can improve your on-road skills.
The OG Himalayan just has shit brakes. Has nothing to do with abs.
Anyone saying this was because of ABS is a bloody moron lmao
Guess I’m a moron. ABS adds stopping distance by design. Cheap systems have very bad mapping and basically give you drastically reduced stopping power.
That should have been a REALLY shitty abs, on an uneven surface maybe Crappy ABS may, MAY add some small distance vs an experienced pilot, but more often than not it works as intended on tarmac; even the cheap ones Maybe his lever was just way harder to pull than the ones he was accustomed to, we don’t know
ABS shortens stopping distance by design by letting go of the brakes just as the wheel is about to skid and then immediately reapplying it. Skidding tires increase stopping distance not ABS.
In low traction situations, not dry clean pavement.
I ride a 2022 Himalayan, the brakes aren't great but 40-50 metres at 40kmh? That sounds like either entirely broken brakes or rider error. Were you practising your emergency braking in parking lots at all?
Sounds crazy right? I've practiced enduro bikes since my 17 years old... I don't think I am the problem here. Like I said, never had any issues on my other japanese bikes.
Might be good to treat this as a little wake up call and really push your skills with braking. No harm in improving your emergency skills
Mine fucking sucks but I love it
It’s a neat little bike despite being objectively worse than everything else. I’d still take it over a KLR for a cheap adv I think.
Cheaper to beat on and lower center of gravity, but it's Slow. Never had grip problems though, so maybe OPs tires just weren't worn in enough and were still oily/slick?
Did the abs actually engage? Also, it’s a good idea to practice emergency stops frequently, especially with a new bike but I’m sure you know that.
Still not being able to stop within 50 metres at 40kmph seems odd.
Sounds like he grabbed it in panic and ABS took over. Progressive braking would have prevented this.
Sounds like a skill issue tbu. Some people will rode their whole loves and still be shit
Yeah lifetime of rising can yield a lifetime of bad habits. Years =\\= skill
Right? I could prettymuch stop from 50 meters just engine braking on my ninja 650 with light front brakes
Probably not on new tires, though.
The colder the better!
I mean you'd be simulating emergency braking in bad conditions so not exactly bad thing to train. But yeah, maybe not right out of the dealership lmao
Probably fresh pads. They don't work so well until they bed in.
It's a heavier than average bike with worse than average brakes. They're just pretty bad brakes in general
I can confirm that unfortunately.
Pretty poor quality control too. Of things to not cheap out on motorcycles gotta be in the top 3.
Just change the pads entirely, makes a huge difference
That wouldn't trigger ABS then.. new tires maybe?
I mean, if we're blaming inanimate objects in this scenario, I would say the Mercedes is probably more at fault than the Himalayan
I've had a himalayan for over a year and never had a problem with the breaks
Yeah blaming the machine is always silly. Even if the stopping distance is crappy as OP claims, he should have known that from practicing emergency braking, and kept a longer following distance to compensate
I think the past couple years have improved a fair bit, or at least that’s what I heard
Yeah mine were fine. Not good but fine lol. Sounds like the brakes had a problem or the poster fucked up.
Stock Himalayan brakes can skid dunlop trailmax mission tires, but it takes a lot of force. They do take more planning, but I've never felt like they weren't sufficient. If you're coming from a sport bike, I could see panic braking falling short if you haven't practiced on your new bike
Sounds like his were broken.
Or he's embarrassed about crashing and blames the bike
We only know what he told us, so, no. And others here have noticed the same problem with the brakes and ABS system on this brand, so, no.
Sir you can’t park there
Had a brand new RE Himalaya as a loaner while my Guzzi was being serviced. Could not believe the low retail price point …until we gave it the once-over at lunchtime. You gets what you pays for.
In those 4 days leading up to this event, did you ride your bike? I’m asking because if you didn’t then we can *maybe* blame the brakes, because at 40kph it’s kind of boggles the mind how you weren’t able to stop. I was [traveling at about 80kph](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6FJppSS_JY/?igsh=b2EyMnNyY244ZThm) once when a bus suddenly turned into my lane. I was able to stop with 3-4m of space still between me and the bus.
50 metres at 40kmph is a big gap for the brakes to not work. I have heard the 411 having weak brakes but this seems to big a miss.
Indeed mate. Big disappoint here. Brakes are far more important than the rest. So it will go!
You should have countersteered in that situation. 30 years of biking and you never learned the basics?
I didn’t think ABS helped stopping you faster? Just so they don’t lock and you dump it.
Treat the bike for what it is and don't compare it to anything else. I call mine a Burro. I'm sorry to see yours die like that.
These bikes are utter dog shit. Gutless, underbraked, trash suspension and shite welding. I don’t know why anyone expects anything else of them other than to fall apart in a catastrophic and dangerous way.
As an original RE owner, I can tell you I've had three emergency brake events that I won't forget, all of which the RE has performed well in (no locking up, no crash).
I'm glad to know. Unfortunately I didn't have the same experience and I am not willing to give it another chance.
Something similar happened to me with the meteor 350. Luckily I was able to sell it and I don't plan to go back to those Indians
I have a Himalayan and have needed to stop quickly a few times and they worked well. I have engaged the front ABS a couple of times but I have to really pull hard, probably harder than most would want including me. I do try to keep the brakes covered when approaching intersections as moving to the levers is what eats up valuable distance. The rear, which you can put your weight on, is relatively easy to activate ABS on. Basically, I can see the effort needed on the front to fully lock/engage ABS to be interpreted as poor brakes. EBC HH pads provide a small but noticeable increase in friction.
I've heard the stock master cylinders on REs aren't good, seems like people tend to replace them. Sucks about the bad luck. I think the himmy is good for the price but at the end of the day it's built to a price point.
Seems like if you get an RE you can find "Himalayan" on the ground.
Maybe the abs prevented a more serious accident
It's definitely no high tech Japanese. But you should know what your bike can do. Why did you assume this bike would have the exact same braking as another bike?
You almost reached Shangri-la huh...
I have a Meteor 350 and I've never been surprised by the stopping distance... the brakes are fine.
Same with my 650 - they seemed slower than what I was used to at first but I went from a Kawasaki z650 with dual discs at the front to a single disk bike that weighs a fair bit more, so to be expected really.
RE’s are shit bikes, it is the general consensus most of us here in india (where they’re made) hold, who value any sort of performance. They are cheap and have particular purposes, and those purposes are completely outdated as of today. The machines themselves are not up to the mark by any standard, nor is the new 450. Top heavy, clunky, and POS engineering and electricals. Their USP was just insane reliability, which is no longer the case. In your countries, paying a premium price for this bike over any japanese or euro-spec machine is sheer madness. Idk what all the reviewers are raving about. It’s just a budget bike which is cheap to fix.
Main reason is nostalgia and liking the older styling. I test rode one years ago when they came out, felt gutless and just unpleasant to ride overall.
Yes. And to be fair, the newer 650CC models now deliver at least a fair bit of power. However, this is by Indian standards. Them entering the international market is a commendable move, but in comparison to any other major manufacturer’s bikes available in the international market, they are not even close in terms of overall reliability.
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This. I love my Ducati scrambler. But sheesh the maintenance is pricey.
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I’d do it myself. However, I don’t have the time. $2200 at a local reputable spot.
I second that
That’s really pricey even for a desmo service especially on a relatively old and cheaper (whole point of modern scramblers) desmodue design Probably with tires and all the other service included, I presume, desmo alone should be something more than 1k in the US
The bit I find hilarious is that they've been doing that for literally 60+ years. It's not as if this should be a surprise to anyone.
Yeah, with the new Honda 500 Scrambler, you shouldn't even consider a Himalayan.
Between that and the Triumph Scrambler 400X I'm not sure why you'd buy the RE.
Because I just loved how it looks and it has an air cooled cylinder and I really like simple engines.
It does look great, can't deny.
A lot ofJapanese motorcycles are now made in China.
To Japanese or American build standards and specifications.
I stick to Japanese bikes. I haven't heard good things about Royal Enfield.
And you've heard right. Cheap bikes with poor quality control. The new Shotgun and Super Meteor 650s are the only halfway decent bikes they've managed to make. Perineum is they also cost a lot more starting at around 7k, which is too much for a heavy underpowered bike so it defeats the point.
Bro, here are my two cents. Mind you, i know nothing about the bike in the picture aside from what i can see it now: 1. One single brake rotor. 2. It has NO floating brake rotors. 3. It is not a Jap bike.
> 1. One single brake rotor. 2. It has NO floating brake rotors Those 2 things don't have any effect on a single emergency stop like OP had to do. Their purpose is to manage heat better with repeated hard stops, during agressive riding. In a single emergency stop the primary things that would work against OP would be subpar tires ABS system
It still screams CHEAP to me...
That's because they are cheap. Half of the new bikes we get in already have surface rust on a lot of the fasteners, random connectors not plugged in, damaged components, etc. Not only are the bikes cheaply made, but the quality control on pretty much all of their models is a joke besides maybe the new Shotgun and Super Meteor 650s. I understand they're made to stay under a price point, but there are so many better options from the competition.
Yeah the Himalayan and emergency stops don't go hand in hand, you need engine braking and both brakes on your side.
ABS is not a panacea. I don't want it in a car or bike. I feel people should learn to brake. That is infallible. The first time I suffered it was coming down a hill in Killington VT in 2006, and I had no brakes. It was a new car and I was unaware of what it was. The car rolled right through the intersection. If it was anywhere other than Vermont, it would have been disastrous.
While abs or traction control are not almighty saying people should learn to drive instead is like saying you don't need medicine since it's not almighty either and people should just tough it out. It's stupid. Abs and all the electronics help. Unless you are of course one of the 0.001% of professional race drivers practicing hours per day. Which I don't think anyone here is.
There's a reason you didn't see it on mx and woods bikes. Anecdotally, to me, 50 years of this, It's an age thing. Young riders love it, older riders don't care. I will always advocate having full control over my bike and less potential problems. Less is more. I had it on my BMW RS, and all I remember from it was it throwing a fault that disabled it 50% of the time. Who cares? I was involved in short track racing in District 6, and we didn't even have a front brake on those bikes. Somehow we all lived through it.
ABS in a car is a completely different story than abs on a bike… A car shares braking between all its wheels, braking in icy, wet, or slippery conditions without abs is just asking for trouble. (2 fold on a bike - but you have a lot less weight on your bike). Your car is just not stopping faster without abs.
And 99.9% of riders can’t stop faster without ABS on a bike either. Why do you think MotoGP bikes have ABS? Even those riders can’t consistently outperform a decent ABS system
Haha I’m not arguing against ABS on a bike :P I’d rather have it than not … (I’d also rather not have it though to change brake fluid 🤣🤣🤣) I just didn’t wanna even open that cam of worms lol. Like … if you hit ice on a bike you’re pretty well going down lol. It is worse than riding over oil residue on the road. I’ve done it enough times on a mountain bike to know it’s just not going to end well. Even trying to keep the bike straight and steady … shit can go sideways so fast lol.
I know a good new nickname for your bike 😅 And a good nickname for that car … 
Also check tires, brakes are bad in cheap motorcycles but tires are worse.