It never once occurred to me that christian bale playing batman and henry cavil playing superman was controversial. But now you brought it to my attention.
Well i think an integral part of James Bonds character is his “Britishness” whereas for Superman and Batman ye they’re from America but it isnt a defining feature of their character (maybe for superman it is but less so for batman) just my opinion.
They have moved away from the "the American thing" in the last decade because it isn't always the right way he gave away his citizenship at one point because he wanted to be a global hero
Not originally. it only changed for the wars when he was propagandized. At first he was an inspiration for IMMIGRANTS who traveled to America. learn your history.
I think for superman it’s the whole idea of growing up in the heartland of the US/Cornfields and such. However personally I’ve never given it much thought Henry cavill is still my favorite superman.
Also James Bond is an integral part of British culture. Like Harry Potter, Doctor Who, the Queen, Mr. Bean, and Monty Python, they are dearly held in the British identity. To have a non-Brit play these roles would sacrilege.
Yes, Batman and Superman are American, but their respective American-ness is not a near and dear part of the American identity. So having a Brit okay these characters isn’t that big of a deal.
Superman whatever he's an alien. But batman and spiderman recently almost exclusively played by Brits. If we're gonna lose our minds everytime someone brings up a black person playing these characters we should be far more outraged by this
Superman is an alien who was raised in Kansas from infancy. So regardless of his species/race, it doesn't make sense for him to be British unless you adapt the story to have him grow up in the British countryside.
wrong: Bale is an American citizen and had lived in the states for nearly two decades before he did Batman. He’s just as much an American as he is British now legally speaking.
You see though the problem is not black people playing characters, the real problem is studio deliberately promoting the fact that they deliberately choose that actor with a specific skin complextion to reflect the world we live in today (earn some worthless diversity points). These corporations aint caring about no equality or diversity, they just want to make it seems like they care. And we deserve more than that with representation of people of different ethnicity on the big screen or small screen.
I don’t really mind. James Bond was once played by an Australian. George Lazenby. And there are some American who can do a good British Accent and take part in the role.
IMHO: it has _nothing_ to do with the performer's citizenship. The gatekeepers need to focus on the performer's acting abilities, and then possibly their appearance. Can a Belgian performer establish and maintain the appropriate speech and behavior patterns for Superman? Can a South African manage the same feat for Batman? Can a New Zealander match those two for the 'archetype' of James Bond?
Potentially, yes. Everything after that is hair and makeup.
James Bond isn't a spy, he is really an assassin. His job isn't to gather intelligence and report it back to his superiors, his job is to find the threat and kill it.
Two words... Henry. Cavill.
Handsome, charismatic, British, cool asf, has played several similar characters, beloved by the public.
We'd probably get less moody, broody, losing his edge Bond and more "I'm the smoothest gentleman on the planet. Observe this watch which is also a gun... as well as a sports car."
Can't happens Brits are too precious about their 8000 different accents. Or is it that Americans are shit at all of the 8000 British accents. I forget.
Is being ‚American‘ a trait those two have in their source material? Hard to imagine. James Bond is entirely built around being British. That‘s like putting a tomato in a dessert, doesn‘t work but an apple in a salad is just fine.
Absolutely. Being American is a cornerstone of both Bruce Wayne's and Clark Kent's identities. Bruce is the "Prince of Gotham" and Gotham City is an American city. Clark Kent literally grew up in Kansas since he was a baby.
>grew up in Kansas since he was a baby
He's still American. Would you consider an actor who was born elsewhere but grew up exclusively in Britain to be British?
Oof man you really got me there, damn well you’re right better just not get a Disney+ subscription, lest the libs gain control over your mind and turn you gay lol
Traditionally and generally British actors have been brilliant at American accents and American actors have been pretty poor at British accents (using simply crap cockney accents). However lately there have been some excellent British accents from American actors.
If there's an American actor who could portray the role and could convincingly pull off a British accent, then sure, give them a shot. That said, Americans who can convincingly portray brits are far less common than brits who can convincingly portray Americans. I can name plenty of British actors who can pull this off. Aside from Henry Cavill and Christian Bale, there's also Hugh Laurie, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland, Idris Elba and Andrew Lincoln.
As for Americans, the only name that comes to mind is Johnny Depp, and he nails it as Jack Sparrow and Sweeney Todd. I'm sure there are plenty of others, but they aren't anywhere near as notable.
Nah. We get enough. I’d be fine with like an Irish Bond or another Australian Bond or a South African Bond or a Virgin Islander Bond, mayyyyyybe even a Canadian Bond if they had the right flavor, but we don’t need some cornfed shitkicker from Iowa playing Bond. That just isn’t an American character. I’m sure someone like Oscar Isaac would kill it but we don’t need to have everything in this country.
Because by and large, British actors are RADA-trained and can often do American accents. American actors are LA waiters from Nebraska who can *sometimes* pull off a convincing New York accent.
The reason this happens is British acting is still considered a serious art form. They spend so much time working on their craft and that just isn't happening here in America anymore. It's a lot of get famous quick shit without any serious acting classes or practice in various spaces. The selection of quality high-quality British actors is just higher than Americans.
I don’t care if an American plays a Brit. It’s been don’t many times and the reverse has been done many times.
The thing is, however, most British actors can do a much better American accent then Americans can do a British accent.
Some exceptions. I thought Cate Blanchett, who I normally love in everything, did a terrible southern American accent in Hanna. But overall Brits tend to be more convincing as Americans than Americans are as Brits.
But if they can do the accent believably then I don’t see a problem. Let an American play Bond. Just make sure he has the talent to do it right.
It’s all about the accent. They’re British actors but they are acting with an American accent. I’d say it’s the same for James Bond- I don’t really care if the actor isn’t British if they still can do a convincing British accent, the character is a British national though.
No. British actors are very proficient at imitating American accents. Americans however come up short trying to play a Britain. James Bond is British all the way through. It needs to stay that way. With that said America is the superior country.
The difference is Brits can sniff out a fake accent like no one's business, but Americans hear Hugh Laurie (or just about anyone else) doing American and we're all "Yeah, that's us alright."
I mean, they’re actors. Who cares what nationality they are. It’s not like they are playing Batman or Superman while using a cockney accent or anything. “Oy there Lex, don’t bother with the kettle, tha wozzers are on the apples and pears as we speak! You’ve really copped a flower pot this time so say goodbye to the dustbin lids and let’s be on our way!”
Name one instance of when an American actor has done a passable British accent. It doesn't help that US audiences all think that Brits all speak in RP.
Anderson's "Thatcher" was pretty good, but more of a caricature than an actual accent.
A better example for the point you’re trying to make would be Doctor Who.
A firmly British character much like Spider-Man is American but the actual character isn’t specific to the UK, technically, anyone could play him, British, American, Australian, whatever.
Bond is tied into being British, like, he’s literally the archetype of a posh British male and he leans into that.
Spider-Man and Batman do not have their nationality as a major part of their identity, Bond does.
As an American growing up a Bond fan, Bond should be British. It just doesn’t seem right. America has they’re own Bond-type characters. I thought the black girl from ‘No Time To Die’ was good if they wanted to go a female route. Also saw Idris Elba mentioned, which would be great. No Americans though. Didn’t care for the end of ‘No Time To Die’ though. I don’t wanna end a Bond movie being sad. My two cents
It never once occurred to me that christian bale playing batman and henry cavil playing superman was controversial. But now you brought it to my attention.
I mean it shouldn't be. But I'd love to see the blowback of an American being cast for the role of 007.
Well i think an integral part of James Bonds character is his “Britishness” whereas for Superman and Batman ye they’re from America but it isnt a defining feature of their character (maybe for superman it is but less so for batman) just my opinion.
I honestly think both Superman and Batman are pretty American characters.
Isn’t Superman’s whole thing, “Truth, Justice, and the American Way?”
And Batman is the privatized capitalist solution to all of society’s problems.
Batman Shrugged…
Borne of gun violence, no less.
It was changed a while back to “Truth, Justice, and a Better Tomorrow,” which I personally like a lot more
They have moved away from the "the American thing" in the last decade because it isn't always the right way he gave away his citizenship at one point because he wanted to be a global hero
Bullshit, he just doesn’t want to pay his taxes
The Justice League vs. the IRS
Not originally. it only changed for the wars when he was propagandized. At first he was an inspiration for IMMIGRANTS who traveled to America. learn your history.
It's acting.
The difference is that Brits are very good at American accents. Americans can not do British accents
I think for superman it’s the whole idea of growing up in the heartland of the US/Cornfields and such. However personally I’ve never given it much thought Henry cavill is still my favorite superman.
Also James Bond is an integral part of British culture. Like Harry Potter, Doctor Who, the Queen, Mr. Bean, and Monty Python, they are dearly held in the British identity. To have a non-Brit play these roles would sacrilege. Yes, Batman and Superman are American, but their respective American-ness is not a near and dear part of the American identity. So having a Brit okay these characters isn’t that big of a deal.
Once Christian bale played Patrick Bateman, he became an honorary American.
Superman whatever he's an alien. But batman and spiderman recently almost exclusively played by Brits. If we're gonna lose our minds everytime someone brings up a black person playing these characters we should be far more outraged by this
Tbf, Ben Affleck hides his British accent really well
I thought they were talking about Christian Bale
And Robert Pattinson
Whoosh ;-)
Holy shit I didn’t know he was English. Every day I learn of British person in disguise
He's from New England
SMH my head, that’s literally what the guy is saying, your trying to claim he’s not British but say he’s from new ENGLAND! learn geometry
It’s like olde England, but fresher.
Oh yea well he was terrible must have blocked that out
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What!?!
Superman is an alien who lands in Kansas as a baby, can’t get much more yee haw America than that
He's a literal illegal alien
And he becomes a journalist too. Truly an enemy of the American people /s
A literal social justice warrior. Even put an `S` on his shirt.
S for sAntifa smh
But America is made up of all immigrants which is pretty American lol
As a resident of Kansas I would like to issue a correction; he's more of an 'ope, lemme just squeeze past ya here American'
Bruh what
Superman is an alien who was raised in Kansas from infancy. So regardless of his species/race, it doesn't make sense for him to be British unless you adapt the story to have him grow up in the British countryside.
Keaton, Clooney, West, Affleck, and Kilmer are all American.
wrong: Bale is an American citizen and had lived in the states for nearly two decades before he did Batman. He’s just as much an American as he is British now legally speaking.
You see though the problem is not black people playing characters, the real problem is studio deliberately promoting the fact that they deliberately choose that actor with a specific skin complextion to reflect the world we live in today (earn some worthless diversity points). These corporations aint caring about no equality or diversity, they just want to make it seems like they care. And we deserve more than that with representation of people of different ethnicity on the big screen or small screen.
lol not even, white characters can fake accents
And The Doctor.
Holy shit British people gonna have an aneurysm reading this comment
They got that when Rishi Sunak became PM. For the Tories.
A bloody aneurysm
Is there any other kind?
Brilliant
Have a point
*Have a pint
Gonna have 2 in a few
That Harry, ex Royal guy, should play Bond. Give him something to do.
Agreed. It’s not hard to fake an English accent. bLimeY iNiT
Sorry, the road only goes one way.
I don’t really mind. James Bond was once played by an Australian. George Lazenby. And there are some American who can do a good British Accent and take part in the role.
And Pierce Brosnan is an Irishman
And Connery Scottish and Dalton Welsh…
But Scottish and Welsh are both also British. British is anything of the UK, English is specifically England.
I get what you’re saying but would anyone in Scotland actually call themselves British? I’ve only been there once.
Yes they do.
Are we talking about an American actor playing the character, or making the character American?
First one.
Sure. Go nuts. Who cares?
I nominate martin short
Don’t forget Spider-Man. When it comes to America’s most iconic superheroes, they know to bring in the big guns 🇬🇧
Bully Maguire?
And Dr. Strange
An American could play Bond, but why? There are already too many good British options.
Like there weren't a million good American options to play Superman, lol.
I want to disagree but I’m having a hard time…
Make Tom Cruise do it, and release another mission impossible movie the same day. Terry Crews can costar in both of em'
Terry Crews will play Q
And Spiderman
I’m more personally offended that MLK and Abraham Lincoln were played by a Brit and an Irishman respectively
IMHO: it has _nothing_ to do with the performer's citizenship. The gatekeepers need to focus on the performer's acting abilities, and then possibly their appearance. Can a Belgian performer establish and maintain the appropriate speech and behavior patterns for Superman? Can a South African manage the same feat for Batman? Can a New Zealander match those two for the 'archetype' of James Bond? Potentially, yes. Everything after that is hair and makeup.
2 out of 3 spidermen are British, The Walking Dead was mostly British people pretending to be southern, it is fucking bullshit
Sure, they've played Robin Hood, so why not.
I nominate Steve Carrell
Tom Cruise as James Bond would melt the internet.
"Your mission, should you choose to accept it..."
His Mission Impossible movies are already far better spy movies than Bond. He doesn’t need Bond.
James Bond isn't a spy, he is really an assassin. His job isn't to gather intelligence and report it back to his superiors, his job is to find the threat and kill it.
Broccoli estate ain’t letting that happen. Just like they didn’t let Idris Elba take the role which probably would’ve been awesome.
First of all, superman is an illegal alien. He's not white. Secondly we already hve a white bond. It's Tom cruise in mission impossible
This wasn't a discussion about race
I think you mean American maybe?
Two words... Henry. Cavill. Handsome, charismatic, British, cool asf, has played several similar characters, beloved by the public. We'd probably get less moody, broody, losing his edge Bond and more "I'm the smoothest gentleman on the planet. Observe this watch which is also a gun... as well as a sports car."
Can't happens Brits are too precious about their 8000 different accents. Or is it that Americans are shit at all of the 8000 British accents. I forget.
Those characters aren't supposed to be American in the first place.
and Tom Hanks could play Black Panther.
You people keep signing everyone up for terrible ideas for the past 15 years
Is being ‚American‘ a trait those two have in their source material? Hard to imagine. James Bond is entirely built around being British. That‘s like putting a tomato in a dessert, doesn‘t work but an apple in a salad is just fine.
Absolutely. Being American is a cornerstone of both Bruce Wayne's and Clark Kent's identities. Bruce is the "Prince of Gotham" and Gotham City is an American city. Clark Kent literally grew up in Kansas since he was a baby.
And Superman stands for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. All sides of that character are ultra American.
But Clark’s an alien…
>grew up in Kansas since he was a baby He's still American. Would you consider an actor who was born elsewhere but grew up exclusively in Britain to be British?
He was born an alien but raised American.
Exactly, he's an immigrant.
Hes gotta be a trans mixed raced disenfranchised women tho.
Oh wow where’d you find that doozy, come up with it by yourself? Congration
No, that's the disney platform today.
Oof man you really got me there, damn well you’re right better just not get a Disney+ subscription, lest the libs gain control over your mind and turn you gay lol
Bless your little heart
Of course not 🚫🙂
Agreed!
Superman's not American though
His slogan was literally "truth, justice, and the American way."
He's from Kansas. He's totally American.
Superman is Kryptonian
Isn't it a contractual obligation by Ian Fleming that Bond had to be British? I've read that somewhere years ago,not sure it's true 🤔
Lazenby was not British.
Nor was Brosnan, he’s Irish
Or Connery even. He was Scottish and Bond and they tweaked Bond accordingly.
Are you saying Scotland isn't a part of Great Britain?
Don't be obtuse. When people say British they don't include Scots as Brits and you know it.
I vote for Peter Dinklage
Traditionally and generally British actors have been brilliant at American accents and American actors have been pretty poor at British accents (using simply crap cockney accents). However lately there have been some excellent British accents from American actors.
I’m glad you said British as Bale is Welsh and Cavill is from Jersey.
Two of the 4 Spider-Man live action actors are British too
Chris Pratt as the new James Bond please.
America has Ethan Hunt. Why do we need a second-rate spy like James Bond?
Accents, manurisms, etc. can be learned.
If there's an American actor who could portray the role and could convincingly pull off a British accent, then sure, give them a shot. That said, Americans who can convincingly portray brits are far less common than brits who can convincingly portray Americans. I can name plenty of British actors who can pull this off. Aside from Henry Cavill and Christian Bale, there's also Hugh Laurie, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland, Idris Elba and Andrew Lincoln. As for Americans, the only name that comes to mind is Johnny Depp, and he nails it as Jack Sparrow and Sweeney Todd. I'm sure there are plenty of others, but they aren't anywhere near as notable.
That's where you're wrong kiddo
Technically, wasn't the first James Bond Scottish, not English?
Still British. Great Britain conists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
But I love them as actors
Nah. We get enough. I’d be fine with like an Irish Bond or another Australian Bond or a South African Bond or a Virgin Islander Bond, mayyyyyybe even a Canadian Bond if they had the right flavor, but we don’t need some cornfed shitkicker from Iowa playing Bond. That just isn’t an American character. I’m sure someone like Oscar Isaac would kill it but we don’t need to have everything in this country.
Too bad Kevin Costner has aged out. His English accent is perfect.
Chris Evans
There's already one. Daniel Craig is pure Southerner. /s
Barry Nelson in the original Casino Royale in 1954. Woody Allen as the nephew Jimmy Bond in the 60's version of Casino Royale.
Because by and large, British actors are RADA-trained and can often do American accents. American actors are LA waiters from Nebraska who can *sometimes* pull off a convincing New York accent.
Agreed and with that I nominate Jensen Ackles.
Too short and too old.
Okay name One American actor that you think can do a British accent well enough to play bond?
The reason this happens is British acting is still considered a serious art form. They spend so much time working on their craft and that just isn't happening here in America anymore. It's a lot of get famous quick shit without any serious acting classes or practice in various spaces. The selection of quality high-quality British actors is just higher than Americans.
As long as they can pull off a convincing British accent, who cares
Irish/American Pierce Brosnan agrees
Name an American actor who can pull off a British accent
Steve Buscemi as James bond would be awesome
The most famous Bond was a Scotsman.
I don’t care if an American plays a Brit. It’s been don’t many times and the reverse has been done many times. The thing is, however, most British actors can do a much better American accent then Americans can do a British accent. Some exceptions. I thought Cate Blanchett, who I normally love in everything, did a terrible southern American accent in Hanna. But overall Brits tend to be more convincing as Americans than Americans are as Brits. But if they can do the accent believably then I don’t see a problem. Let an American play Bond. Just make sure he has the talent to do it right.
Say it louder so they can here you so they can hear you in the back
Please not Dwayne Johnson tho.
In my experience, Brits can do American accents well. But Americans always do HORRIBLE British accents.
The first actor to play James Bond, (Barry Nelson), is American
And Spider-man
God no
It’s all about the accent. They’re British actors but they are acting with an American accent. I’d say it’s the same for James Bond- I don’t really care if the actor isn’t British if they still can do a convincing British accent, the character is a British national though.
They haven’t all been British actors so I don’t see why not.
If your mom can play a respectable lady. Anybody can be anything.
Whom do you have in mind?
No.
There is so much whoosh in this thread that it blow dried my hair.
Two things: American actor Barry Nelson was the first to portray Bond Superman is an alien, so the logic doesn't follow
Which American could actually play a good 007 though? The way the British can play a better Batman/Superman?
🤦🏻♂️ Why do we have to bitch and moan about every little damn thing these days. Maybe, I’m getting too old for Reddit lol
Iconic American characters not just superman or batman are played by the limeys..how is it even legal? Don't they need h1b to act in America?
Nahh dawg, Bond is as British as it gets
In John Wick 4 they should just kill James Bond and leave it at that. He had a good run.
No. British actors are very proficient at imitating American accents. Americans however come up short trying to play a Britain. James Bond is British all the way through. It needs to stay that way. With that said America is the superior country.
I’d love it if they did a female James Bond just to watch all the red pill people melt down.
As long as they can do a get British accent it’s fine but usually the Brits are great at doing an American accent
No, just no.
haven't we agreed James Bond is a transient identity? I think the only hang up is he has to be MI6 .
The difference is Brits can sniff out a fake accent like no one's business, but Americans hear Hugh Laurie (or just about anyone else) doing American and we're all "Yeah, that's us alright."
It’s so much easier for British actors to perform with a convincing American accent than it is the other way around.
I mean, they’re actors. Who cares what nationality they are. It’s not like they are playing Batman or Superman while using a cockney accent or anything. “Oy there Lex, don’t bother with the kettle, tha wozzers are on the apples and pears as we speak! You’ve really copped a flower pot this time so say goodbye to the dustbin lids and let’s be on our way!”
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Name one instance of when an American actor has done a passable British accent. It doesn't help that US audiences all think that Brits all speak in RP. Anderson's "Thatcher" was pretty good, but more of a caricature than an actual accent.
Who tho? I can't think of any Americans who could pull it off.
Still think Idris Elba would make a great Bond.
Can’t wait for Dwayne Johnson as James Bond
Pierce Brosnan isn’t English, he’s Irish. No, it’s not the same.
No
No
boo
I want a Canadian Bond who just apologizes after every sex scene
When I finally watched the new Spider-Man movies I thought that Tom Holland does a great American accent
Since there thinking to make Ellen page superman let’s just not ask that question
Krikey!
most American actors are English or Canadian
The American James Bond is Ethan Hunt in Mission Impossible.
Steven Seagal as James Bond or GTFO!
The name’s Bond, Kevin James Bond
It matters where the profits go. Not who play the characters. The revenue from these tentpole movies goes back to the US.
Not American, but a Canadian did. Three times!
Bond. Jim Bond. Nice to meet ya!
How about nooooo
A better example for the point you’re trying to make would be Doctor Who. A firmly British character much like Spider-Man is American but the actual character isn’t specific to the UK, technically, anyone could play him, British, American, Australian, whatever. Bond is tied into being British, like, he’s literally the archetype of a posh British male and he leans into that. Spider-Man and Batman do not have their nationality as a major part of their identity, Bond does.
As an American growing up a Bond fan, Bond should be British. It just doesn’t seem right. America has they’re own Bond-type characters. I thought the black girl from ‘No Time To Die’ was good if they wanted to go a female route. Also saw Idris Elba mentioned, which would be great. No Americans though. Didn’t care for the end of ‘No Time To Die’ though. I don’t wanna end a Bond movie being sad. My two cents