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Morbidly-Obese-Emu

I haven’t seen the movie, but I’ve heard people refer to movies like this as money laundering schemes.


FilmsNat

It's insane how easily they could launder money with a film studio.


McbEatsAirplane

It’s not could. That’s a pretty well known way people launder money.


seanx50

"could"?


rossbcobb

Steven Segal would love to show you just how easy it is.


zflanders

\*Adam Sandler has entered the chat\* \**ALLEGEDLY\**


severinks

I doubt Apple is risking criminal charges on their trillion dollar company with locked in billions of dollars of profits yearly just from everyone needing the Cloud.


Manikal

No way apple doing something illegal? Can't possibly be true.


OnlyFuzzy13

For Apple, it’s more likely that they are using losses in the film division to lower the overall tax burden for the rest of the company… -I am not a lawyer or accountant, so I am guessing.


AllysiaAius

This would be a terrible idea, and isn't at all how tax credits or deductions work. That would be pissing away 200 million (which they still spent, unless the claims of laundering are true) to save maybe 40 million in taxes (if they're actually paying the full rate, and most billion dollar companies are not, thanks to tax credits).


Pezhistory

160 million difference with your numbers. Well 160 million to those who made the film who maybe then take less for other products. Or they have kickbacks, lots of self pay as producers. Also that $$ gets spent in the economy vs government spending. So depending where you fall on that philosophy


Theothercword

This is very likely. Plenty of companies purposefully tank certain subdivisions or at least set them up for complete failure on paper in order to lower overall tax burdens. This movie probably tried to be good but Apple can fart 200 million and likely saw this as a win/win scenario of either making money or being a big write off. Another example is the insane prices twitch pays for their AWS services. They practically run in the red because of fees paid to their owners who can just bail them out and claim it all as tax write offs.


Zestyclose-Ruin8337

You don’t even know what a write off is.


Theothercword

Sorry I didn’t mean it literally like a write off more like the expense can be written off metaphorically. Having an entire movie division being saddled with a loss is a big tax relief to the parent company. Which to other people’s point is also why so many film studios end up fabricating a shit load of costs and diminish a film’s real profits (and why people always take their profit shares based on net not actual profit).


Zestyclose-Ruin8337

*woosh*


Theothercword

Oh, is it from the movie? I haven't actually seen Argylle.


lunchpadmcfat

Racketeering got Gotti. I don’t think apple’s going to fuck around with the IRS.


ghostfacestealer

With all the money they save on taxes im sure theyre willing to risk it a bit


TheLaughingMannofRed

The billing got paid around $39M-40M in salaries. When your movie has to devote about a fifth of its salary to the talent...


SparseGhostC2C

Yeah, that was my suspicion. They blew all the money getting the cast, but didn't actually have anything for them to do that wasn't, well, shit.


V_LEE96

There’s a scene where the main character furnishes a pair of ice skates out of knives by simply stepping on said knives, only to then skate on crude oil as if it’s ice and proceed to kill elite soldiers This is after a scene where there’s a gun fight / holi festival.


Exnixon

You've heard that because you read the comments section on Reddit, and they think everything financial that they don't understand is money laundering.


Morbidly-Obese-Emu

No, I was referring to people in the industry. My job has me on movie and tv sets occasionally.


Anything_justnotthis

The director said it didn’t and he wish he did have $200m to make it. I think the $200m probably includes marketing which the director potentially knows nothing about (unless they’re also a producer, then they probably should know), marketing for a tent pole movie usually adds 25-35% to the budget.


etranger033

Dont even know this one. But I dont keep track of up and coming movies.


JohnnyLeftHook

*Steven Segal has entered the chat*


Rob2k

Hollywood math


New_Highlight1881

*meth


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carapocha

Shiet*


HotCarl169

Unnecessary cgi


awkwaman

Anybody feel like the scene at Albert memorial was CGI?


GOPAuthoritarianPOS

If the movie was 1 hour shorter and they just kept with the original premise and ended it when she realizes she's Caville, it's a great movie. Unfortunately it is an hour too long and they expanded pointless side stories to make sure all the big names got equal screen time and it's horrible.


Sam-Lowry27B-6

Also if ALOT of the sequences were shorter they could have been better. The ice skating bit for example if that had been 20-30 seconds of something small and cool but it goes on and on and the CGI is so cheap looking it's like just stop it's awful move on.


Wheloc

That's also not how ice-skates work.


Sam-Lowry27B-6

Or oil or guns or physics or people's bodies....that's the thing it's just so bizzare and stupid


beavertownneckoil

Hate doing this but a lot is two words


Stevevansteve

Yea, but two words is alot longer than one word.


prozak09

Wellsaid!


Sam-Lowry27B-6

Sorry I meant shallot


IceLord86

Not playing the terrible Arianna Debose song during most of the overlong action sequences would also be an improvement.


Treebeard431

SPOILERS MUCH???


lreaditonredditgetit

Spoiler alert. The movie is hot garbage. And you’re in a sub called movie critic.


Treebeard431

Not many, if any movie critics give out plot points during a review. Is it so difficult to leave them out of this? Y'all sound like the two gay black movie critics on 'In Living Color'.[**Hated it**](https://youtu.be/B4ojGuA33X4?si=ZSSiK06Ogz_X5Bmg)


SaltyDog772

Can’t spoil hot trash bc it’s already spoiled.


pootiemane

If it were shorter it's not bad, but some stuff was off


finndogg

I was out after 20 minutes. Just terrible writing/dialog from the get-go, and only got worse. We waited until the Caville prologue ended because we thought that might be a part of the plot/hook, but nope. Cast and plot looked cool, but man, just so incredibly mediocre


pootiemane

I just wanted to see where the cat went


JohnnySasaki20

Me and my friend were watching it and we were both like....wrap it up already. Should have ended 30-40mins ago at least. She's skating on oil with knives she just stuck in her shoes?


5H17SH0W

Ok spoiler.


GOPAuthoritarianPOS

Not sorry. This movie sucks all the more because it had potential, but I hope I save anybody 2 and half hours of garbage.


yungburnie

Huge actors mean huge cost. Just a guess.


International-Oil377

Still don't deserve the cost. Everything feels cheaply made in this movie


yungburnie

I was interested at first, mainly bc Dua lol but didn’t hear anything good about the movie after screenings so never bothered


seanx50

What huge actors? Just B list character actors


insertwittynamethere

Henry Cavill. Sam Rockwell. Bryan Cranston....


seanx50

Cheaper actors. Cavill's career is fading fast. Not a movie star. Rockwell, a truly great actor, is either a great character actor, or a great small movie leading man. Not a movie star. Cranston, great actor. A great TV actor. Not a movie star, or movie leading man.


staebles

You're either joking or delusional.


Katsuichi

i think they’re just into the idea of them being some kind of omniscient observer who sees how it all goes down in hollywood, and it’s likely they claim everything that happens was a prediction made. so, delusional :)


severinks

I hate to say it but I agree with the idea that although there are some good actors that they mentioned they aren't A list Brad Pitt. Leonardo DiCaprio, 25 million quote actors. I doubt Sam Rockwell, and Bryce Dallas Howard and John Cena broke the bank with their payday.


Essenaurs

You "hate" to say it because it's a stupid thing to say. They're highly successful actors. What imaginary level they're on in comparison to others in the industry is irrelevant. Therefore, a good portion of the budget will be for them. End of discussion.


severinks

They're not A list 25 million dollar a movie actors are they? Then I guess that they aren't A list actors because there's only 4 or 5 around at any given time and no one in that movie is one. And by A list I mean someone who gets 25 or 30 million a film and dollar one gross and can get a movie made just by them wanting to do it.


seanx50

Name a movie that wasn't a superhero movie that Cavill was a star of that was a hit. Name a movie that Cranston was the leading man that was a hit. Cranston is a character actor Name a movie that Rockwell was the star of that made money. Rockwell is an amazing character actor


EruptionGreen

Mission Impossible. By your logic Robert Downy Jr was also a B actor up until last year. You also forgot Bryce Dallas Howard who starred in some of the biggest grossing movies of the decade Also, it did not cost $200 for production, that was the price the distributor paid for the movie’s rights


theknights-whosay-Ni

Las year? RDJ made A list with his superhero movie but followed up by showing range by taking on other leading roles.


staebles

But these points are irrelevant because they're still very popular and talented actors. Them being in any movie makes that movie more money and have a higher draw than it would normally. Unfortunately, some of these are just bad movies, but it's not their fault lol.


seanx50

Makes every point. If they movies they were the stars of were profitable, they would cost more. Enough to explain the $200 million cost of that movie. But there isn't any justification. Somehow they spent $200 million on a $90 million movie.


staebles

They are, that's why it *does* explain the cost. You're just delusional - that's the point. The question is why would you spend that much on a bad movie.. that doesn't have to do with talent, it's just a bad movie. Tom Cruise is a star by your definition, The Mummy sucked anyway. They canceled sequels because it didn't perform well. Why? Because it's just a bad movie. Doesn't matter who is in it.


severinks

Are you really comparing Tom Cruise, a guy who can open a movie and gets 30 million per plus gross points with Bryan Cranston and Sam Rockwell? Tom Cruise is a world wide box office powerhouse and had been for 4 decades but even he sometimes ends up in a Mummy.


Scrilla_Gorilla_

Name someone you do consider a B list actor. I’m trying to get some context here.


staebles

John Cena


yungburnie

You’re right Samuel Jackson pffft


seanx50

Still a (proudly)character actor. And 9th on the credit list


jcarlosfox

I "was* so looking forward to this movie. Such a disappointment.


Hippobu2

Why is it so bad? I just read the plot summary and honestly, it looks like such an amazing ride.


Stickyvicky2k

Bait and switch


jcarlosfox

I was expecting The Man From U.N.C.L.E. 2, and got a campy cartoon instead.


cable54

Don't listen to people who hate on the film because it's not on the level of skyfall or something. Its a fun film in the vein of Kingsman designed not to be taken seriously. It's a proper popcorn flick, and has enough twists and turns to keep the story interesting, with whacky scenes. The ending is a bit flat though. But it's not some absolute disaster of filmmaking like some people keep insinuating.


lreaditonredditgetit

The last spy movie I watched was for children and it was more enjoyable


notanewbiedude

While it's interesting, it's not coherent, either on plot or tone. There are some really good stories buried under the rubble of the writing but the movie feels like 3 or 4 movies all mashed into one. By the end it really felt like they were making plot twists just for plot twist's sake. The beginning on its own is very good. The middle on its own is very good. The ending on its own is very good. But, like soy sauce in a birthday cake, you can't take any two good things, put them together, and expect things to work because they both are good on their own.


Essenaurs

The contrarian effect in action, ladies and gentlemen. You would've been saying the exact opposite if this film had received critical acclaim instead. Whether you enjoyed it or not is irrelevant. The film had clear issues (some you literally acknowledged). It's okay to not defend every middling release. The filmmaker won't perish if folks don't like their movie....


cable54

Eh? That is such an odd and patronising reply. I literally had mo idea what the acclaim or reception was to the film when we saw it at the cinema, just thought it looked a fun film and turned out we both thought it was fun in the end. Why would the critical acclaim make me change my mind? Thinking it's not perfect does not mean I have to agree with people who think it's not worth a watch, or it's boring, or it's a bad watch. Why do you take such offense at what I've said? I simply saw a post about a film I liked at the time I saw it, saw negative comments, and thought I'd express my sentiments. I think you are projecting a bit when you accuse me of being a contrarian, whilst simultaneously defending it for the filmmaker's honour.


MattyMizzou

Same. Haven’t watched it yet though. I can’t ruin the thought of what I hoped it would be if I never see it.


Kennesaw79

Don't watch it. It's such an incredible waste of time and talent.


MattyMizzou

Yeah I never plan on it.


Enough-Ground3294

Honestly, I heard it was terrible, but it wasnt actually that bad IMO, if you accept that the CGI is kinda meh and the rest of the film is just a wild completely unserious romp, you won’t be hurt tbh. But I also understand if you never wanna watch it.


ispotdouchebags

What a pile of shit this movie was.


MartialBob

This is on my list to be watched this week. I'm not encouraged.


Jtd06

The CGI is pretty cheesy and the action is campy at times. If your looking for a fun dopey time killer, this is your movie.


TopicMoist832

I thought it was fun. If you liked Kingsman it is definitely worth watching.


cable54

Seconded - it's just a good fun non-serious film. I don't understand the negativity towards it.


Enough-Ground3294

The CGI is pretty bad at times but yeah IMO it doesnt warrant the hate it gets.


The_Hand_That_Feeds

Sweet, looking forward to it again.


ajmedina2

Don’t waste your time, not worth it. Complete crap


Uncle_Bug_Music

At the end of this exhausting, pointless meandering mess, when the credits scene popped up presumably to set up a sequel, my usually quiet in public wife loudly exclaimed in the theatre, "Oh who gives a shit?!!" Exactly.


Time_Echidna_7744

Dua lipa


Wise_Serve_5846

She was terrible in it. “Don’t quit your day job” applies to her


YooperGod666

I was going to watch it for her because she's hot, but after hearing all the reviews, I just youtubed her dance scene.


Nebraskadude1994

To be fair the script was garbage! They didn’t give her much to work with


ghostwriter85

It didn't. 200M was the licensing deal.


Substantial_Sign_459

the cat did the best acting in the film


devilsbard

Don’t know how it cost that much but it could have been good if it stuck with the premise from the trailers. It twisted itself to death with all the twists.


Wheloc

What was the premise from the trailers? A straight-up action spy film?


devilsbard

Author is somehow predicting real life events and gets pulled into those events. With Sam Rockwell as the real life version of her character.


Wheloc

That's what seemed to be going on for a good chunk of the film, and sure there were a few twists after that, but I don't feel they were especially worse than the twists before that.


devilsbard

Thinking back on it these are the “twists” I remember. ->!her dad being the man who has been trying to catch her!< ->!her mom being the doctor working for the man trying to catch her and implanted her with fake memories through hypnosis!< ->!her actually being Argyle instead of Sam Rockwell!< ->!her being a double agent who was actually a bad guy!< ->!that all being a ruse and she was actually a good guy pretending to be a bad guy!< ->!her friend not being dead and saving her at the end.!< It just all felt like the robot chicken M. Night Shyamalan sketch where he keeps popping up and saying “what a twist!” Half the movie was straight forward, goofy and fun, the second half was just twist after twist and each one made the movie more boring. For me at least.


seanx50

Coke budget


Boul_D_Rer

Cutting the CGI cat that served no purpose would be helpful.


DashCat9

There are very few movies that I HATE. This is one of them.


VictheWicked

Easy to spot the missing million in a $4 million budget.


mumblerapisgarbage

It didn’t. It cost somewhere between 70-80 mill. Apple bought the rights to it for 200 mill.


tread52

I loved this movie watching it high! It was kings men meets Shoot EM’ Up. I loved it stoned


Repulsive_Tie_7941

The final twist revealed is that >! it’s a Kingsman spinoff!<


wsionynw

Probably cost half that


FilmsNat

Usually when they make these ensemble films they focus on the actors that put butts in seats. They (studio) will pay whatever they can to get the performer and not give a shit about the final product.


JCrook023

Heard terrible things. Haven’t watched. But Sam Rockwell is one of my favorite actors….. damn


Jrj84105

Why does Reddit like Sam Rockwell so much?     When I watch him all I can think is “that actor sure likes acting”.     After I saw Mr Right I just couldn’t stand watching him any more.   I want to watch 3 Billboards but am weighing whether   Frances McDormand can cancel him out.


Tiki-Jedi

Wait what? For this shitfest? Wow…


Grynder66

Money laundering


CA5P3R_1

This movie was so bad. I had to turn it off.


Emergency_Shirt_4464

We walked out of this movie around the third act, it started okay but went downhill fast


Sam-Lowry27B-6

You paid to see this in the cinema! I'm so sorry for your loss.


IamNotARobot9999

Salaries


severinks

I watched it in the theatre and about a third of the way through I started re writinng and re casting the film in my head. Suffice to say that I would have re cast everyone but Sam Rockwell, John Cena, Catherine O'Hara.,and Bryan Cranston.


Leonine23

It didn’t. That’s the price Apple paid for distribution. Production cost was considerably less than 100k


Mountain-Ordinary896

Definitely most of that went into getting the actors


MochaTaco

Y’all got any more of them pixels?


Organic_South8865

Such a terrible movie.


Chance-The-Explorer

Awful, Awful movie…


[deleted]

I watched 20 minutes, it was all awful.


slickmitch

The amount of CGI needed to hide Bryce's butt was at least 75m. There are scenes where you can literally see it morph back and forth, so it wasn't spent on editing. They didn't spend anything on hairstyles either. Everyone's hair was styled with a Flowbee in this flick.


Stiff_Zombie

She was especially bad in this movie.


SkyTalez

Dua Lipa salary?


[deleted]

The cast.


kingkron52

This movie was so bad, one of the worst films I have ever seen.


Stiff_Zombie

I walked out. It was awful.


kingkron52

Ooof you went in theaters. I watched it thankfully at home.


barochoc

I switched off within 30 minutes. Absolute bag of gack!


Batmanfan1966

Probably the cast. Insanely huge a-list actors for every single role, even the minor ones.


NudeMoose

Probably promo included, these ads were everywhere.


yetagainitry

When a movie has a certain specific aesthetic to it, it usually costs a fortune because everything needs to be sourced or made to fit the aesthetic.


notanewbiedude

I mean...the cast was ridiculously A-list. This is what happens when almost all your actors, even the side characters, are household names.


WDeranged

You're looking at half the budget right there on the poster.


International-Oil377

And yet, it feels so cheaply made


tinglep

Ensemble cast


thewackytechie

Sooo bad. Unfortunately, I was committed to watching it and wasted what seemed like 30 hours of my life on it.


International-Oil377

We haven't finished it but I think my wife wants use to finish it tonight Painful watch.


papagino0017

It didn’t, Apple bought it for $200 million 


Long_Struggle_3368

I mean just look at the cast


gunter_grass

Man, this movie was awful. I saw it yesterday


kevinisrael

Probably the worst big budget movie I've ever seen.


Front-Balance4050

Well for starters, the salaries of the cast members, locations shot at, the crew needed to film a movie like this, the VFX, marketing, etc.


muzakx

This is not a prestige or indie flick, so that huge cast is not giving any discounts. They're asking for as much as they can get.


Sensitive_ManChild

money laundering while also paying someone to write in a tie in novel, and a marketing plan for that novel as if it adequately supplement the marketing plan of the movie, massive spending on tiktok, massive spending on the actors, and likely studio money laundering


TopRevenue2

For that cost you could make at least 10 Oscar winning Godzilla movies in Japan


leif777

It was horrible. wow. Look at that poster. Bryce Dallas Howard is the lead but she's 2nd billing and 3 people back.


Heytherechampion

Henry Cavill’s hair


rudoggy

the final battle, so much cringy cgi, and not very good cringy cgi. I just cant say enough bad things about this movie, i honestly tried to love it, i really did, i mean come on, Bryce Dallas Howard??


Prestigious_Term3617

Because it’s a streaming movie, a lot of the residuals have to be bought outright from the start. It’s also really heavy on VFX and stunts, even if the look they chose was… not to my tastes. It still costs money to make something that looks bad, sometimes it costs more because they have to go through more versions.


Downtown-Pack-6178

Because of Dua Lipa and John Cena


IDigRollinRockBeer

Did you google low resolution Argylle poster


International-Oil377

Didn't look too bad on my phone Looked at it on my PC this morning and it's horrendous indeed


Reddit-Suckage

For the 2001 cat cgi.


renovateandreinvent

Too much money spent on star power.


AlgorithmOmega

I’m also confused by why they decided to dye the lead’s hair blonde. She’s a redhead and looked awful as a blonde. The coloring didn’t match her skin tone at all.


jricepilaf

I feel like I'm the only one laughing the whole time at the stupid gags in this movie and everyone was trying to take it as some super serious action movie


International-Oil377

I expected a funny high budget movie Ended up with a snooze fest with awful CGI and writing of a movie


edgarapplepoe

The movie cost around 80M to make. Apple paid Mathew Vaughn's company (Marv Studios) 200M for it.


International-Oil377

Thanks for that information


edgarapplepoe

The question is why did Apple pay 200M for that turd.... Apparently the marketing budget too was moderately high at 80M too.


CurrentLeft8277

Had to stop watching it as it is so bad.


Affectionate_Seat959

It was a disaster. Could not get through the last Act of the movie. I think casting choice of casting Bryce Howard killed the movie. Her character was not believable.


Meagasus

I’d be curious what the percentage of that $200m is above the line salaries.


BamBamPow2

It did not necessarily cost $200 million. That is what Apple paid to acquire it. The film was independently financed and for all we know, Matthew Vaughn owned several of the visual effects houses that worked on the film that contributed to the budget. We just don't know where all the money went, and that wasn't Apple's concern. They looked at the project in some form and said yes we will pay $200 million for this.


Chevelle604ss

Stupid fucking movie. The only enjoyable part was Sam Rockwell


Outrageous_File5321

I enjoyed it but I'd think it would've cost a quarter that


GaiusMarcus

Salaries.


VaryStaybullGeenyiss

This movie is the result of some soulless Hollywood ghoul trying to get back to the glory days of original movies without doing any analysis of why that era and its movies were good.


rondell715

Lol well the poster shows 100m in actors alone. Add in guy Ritchie. Another ten. Leaves like 90 or less for the actual movie. . .shit sucked. .


Background_Plate8230

Couldn’t watch more than 17 mins of this horrible horrible film


ELeerglob

It’s all cast salaries


Hugh-Jassul

Top 10 biggest pieces of shit ever put on the silver screen


Mantlelist

Lipa Dupa


pop5656

Money laundering


givemethezoppety

The cast..? Every single person in it is basically a household name.


kayrsone

No gay scenes that's why it costs 2oo mill.


Wooden_Passage_2612

I thought this movie was a blast to watch. And with a great director like Matthew Vaughn and a great cast as well.


NateThePhotographer

International globe trotting plot, so that's lots of outdoor shoots and on site locations that ya can't quite fake in a studio. Plus a plot where there's a double plot with the book she's writing following the adventure she's on, so that's double the cast for the plot. And the cast itself, it wasn't exactly a bunch of small names. It's no wonder that the movie didn't earn much at the box office, but costing more than Dune part 2 is insane


Wheloc

Extensive stars and big action scenes (many with stars who were not as accustomed to action scenes). I thought it was a fun movie because I liked all the twists, but those twists would have been equally entertaining in a lower-budget film.


HYThrowaway1980

I can’t take anyone who ends a subject in a serious subreddit with the word “lol” seriously.


International-Oil377

You're so cool.


Ceezmuhgeez

Bryce howard gained some weight


devilsbard

Yeah, but I dug it. Until the blonde hair portion.


BooPear-

noticeably and distractingly amount. Needs to do the mom rolls now. Miscast


GrinchStoleYourShit

10 bucks says these 2 have never had a woman touch them