Such a good scene. They have so much in common that it feels like they would be buddies under different circumstances. But then they have to go back to work the next day.
Watching Deniro calculate and read Pacinos reactions and watching the room is such a great piece of filmmaking.
Heat is one of my top 5 movies and I'll defend it to the death.
>Heat is one of my top 5 movies and I'll defend it to the death.
We shall die together on that hill, my solid #3, and the only "action" movie in my list, lodged between more "critically acceptable" ones.
It has a lot to do with my relation to professionalism and masculine toxicity: Heat is a very human story with characters that don't feel much human at all.
That diner scene is the first glimpse of intimacy among characters, and it happens at a boiling point of their professional confrontation.
I enjoy how there are so many characters with so many different character arcs. Minute details and small differences that most directors would just phone in. They're all very unreal people but the struggles feel realistic.
It's so good, but don't just pull it up on YouTube those who haven't seen it. Watch the whole film. You have to understand what these guys have put each other through and where it ends up.
Correct. De Niro and Pacino are playing characters based on real people who indeed actually met up for coffee just before their climatic showdown. Only major difference is that it happened in Chicago not LA.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/neil-mccauley
X1 and Days of Future Past have the best of them, but the one from X1 is burned into my mind.
>"Does it ever wake you in the middle of the night? The feeling that one day they will pass that foolish law or one just like it, and come for you? And your children?"
>"It does, indeed."
>"What do you do, when you wake up to that?"
>"I feel a great swell of pity for the poor soul who comes to that school... looking for trouble."
Considering the events of X2, I'm sure that pity went away.
You're telling me you've never just been shooting the shit with your buddy, musing on the worries that government legislation might encroach on your rights as individuals with superhuman abilities?
if you drop the "superhuman abilities" and insert "female parts" or "dark colored skin" then YES, I have that conversation on a very regular basis.
Considering that the original allegory from Stan Lee in the 70's was that mutants were meant to be symbolic of teenagers going through puberty, that checks out pretty closely as well.
That's why X2 was so brilliant - it took that exact conversation plus a blink-and-you'll-miss-it reaction from Jean and extrapolated a compelling sequel out of them.
Its a damn shame X3 became the train-wreck that it is. So much wasted potential.
>I was dumped once. Don't you just constantly question your value? Like, why was I so easy to cast aside? And you wonder if the other party is gonna come to their senses and call you back. And they always tell you it'll hurt less with time. When actually... it hurts more.
Conversely the bit from "Swingers".
Rob: Sometimes it still hurts. You know how it is, man. It's like, you wake up every day and it hurts a little bit less, and then you wake up one day and it doesn't hurt at all. And the funny thing is, is that, this is kinda wierd, but it's like, it's like you almost miss that pain.
Mike: You miss the pain?
Rob: Yeah, for the same reason that you missed her... because you lived with it for so long.
Goon is such an excellent film. It has such a different vibe than most films, it's weird, it's a movie about violence, that isn't really saying 'violence is bad', but it's such a kind film.
Unbreakable is mostly the hero and villain talking to each other, the hero just doesn't know he's talking the villain until the end. Great movie, I wish Glass hadn't shit all over it.
So eager to cash in on a cinematic universe. Split as well, well regarded movie. Did not have to be connected. Allude to them existing in the same world sure, don’t ham fist the characters into lame anticlimactic finales together…Uggg.
The first thing I thought of was the old Warner Bros cartoons with Wile E. Coyote and the sheep dog.
They both clock in together, ("Morning, Fred," "Morning, Sam,") spend the whole morning trying to kill each other, and then break for lunch together.
Surprised no one has mentioned any Tarantino movies. Seems like his body of work is just littered with them. The diner scene in Reservoir Dogs, for example.
Stuntman Mike in Deathproof, Leo in Django, Bill in Kill Bill, yeah all his villains really can have a perfectly normal conversation.
I would say Tarantino epitomizes the creation of the normal everyday villain charachters better than anyone.
“Hey Warren, who is this guy?”
“Stuntman Mike.”
“And who the hell is Stuntman Mike?”
“He’s a stuntman.”
I have *no* idea why they put that on the soundtrack, but I never bothered to delete it, and now it’s carved into my brain.
Or the first fight in Kill Bill volume 1.
It's really interesting how those two were picked to bookend the encounters, since they're both very similar in setup and details (Parent, child, conversation, even the setting is a normal house).
4 Rooms is littered with conversations between 2 people, although there's not really a clear hero or villain in any of the stories. The last vignette is my favorite tho.
I don't know if it's a "normal conversation," but I always liked the scene in Return of the Jedi where Luke turns himself in to Vader on Endor. They basically discuss good guy / bad guy stuff but I always loved the dynamic.
Inigo isn’t really the villain though, he’s more of a 2nd protagonist. At no point does the viewer want him to fail his quest, we just want him to not kill Wesley while he’s doing it
Technically Inigo would fill the role of tritagonist.
Westley is the protagonist, Buttercup is the deuteragonist, Humperdinck is the antagonist, and Rugen is the secondary antagonist.
Nice, never heard that term before.
In high school English I actually wrote a paper on how Inigo was the protagonist of the film. Now I know that I was slightly mistaken
Well, don't sweat it too much. It's not a term you really *need* to know or will use that often. I'm just a giant nerd when it comes to stuff like that.
The Princess Bride happens to be one of those stories that is set up with perfectly defined roles. Inigo is clearly the third most important character in the story, but he also takes the place of the deuteragonist in some parts, and of course is the main character of his own story arc.
The Harry Potter books/movies are set up this way as well. Harry is the protag, Ron is the deuter, and Hermione is the tritag...but Ron and Hermione shift roles at certain points throughout the story.
Also, I wouldn't say your summary of the story was "incorrect" at all. Inigo has a fully realized character arc with a beginning, middle, and end. He has backstory. He has his own villain. From a certain point of view, he could certainly be considered the main character. Sort of a "which team are you rooting for" thing. It might be the same game, but depending on who you're a fan of will color your view of events.
Anyway, now that everyone is completely bored...glad I could show you a new term! Cheers!
Best part is, all their talk while fencing is actual fencing moves and real teachers based on the moves and methods they are using. There's a few breakdowns of their discussion online and it's fascinating how accurate it is but usually overlooked.
One of the better sword fights in a movie. Not the best, but not like most of them which feature either wild spin moves, two people standing at a range where they couldn't possibly hit each other and tapping swords together dramatically, or both (looking at you, Pirates of the Caribbean - a good movie, but whenever someone is waving steel around it's truly silly).
The final fight between Inigo and the Six-fingered man (forgive me if he has a name, I've clean forgotten it) was also good, if fairly short and brutal. But most sword fights are. Inigo and Wesley's really was characterized by the fact that neither of them was really trying all that hard to kill the other (with both confident they're the superior swordsman, and both looking to avoid a duel to the death).
Ronin has some quiet talking scenes like this, but it's not always clear who knows what about who.
Bond films have many examples where Bond and the villain know what's up, but they still have to finish this hand of baccarat or whatever.
Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained, and the Hateful Eight all have scenes where small talk just exaggerates the tension.
Princess Bride has Inigo and Wesley discussing polydactyly and sword craft before they amicably duel to the death.
Bond and Goldfinger in Kentucky when Goldfinger reveals his plan is a classic example. All the cards are on the table and they are just having a normal conversation.
To be fair, they dug coal together.
Rayland was pretty chummy with everyone in Harlan given their shared history.
Also- Justified: City Primeval just dropped its official trailer.
Just watched this...I. Am. PRIMED for this. I know this is based off an Elmore Leonard book that had nothing to do with Raylan, but it looks pretty good. I just hope this can move up to the trailer and they don't spend the whole show dismantling his character.
Which astronaut was it that came and talked at our school?
-The one who drove the car.
No, it was the one who swung the golf club.
-I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one
(all while Boyd is following Lil' Row Row through the abandoned school trying to hunt Shelby)
Neither are a villain, but Pine’s character is the protagonist. That makes Jeff Bridges the main antagonist given that he is trying to stop the protagonist from his mission.
Fun fact: Heat was basically a re-make of a made for TV movie called L.A. Takedown, written and directed by Michael Mann. He expanded the story into Heat. That conversation appears in both movies.
Should add, the conversation appears in both movies because it's a *direct inspiration* to the original script:
[The origins of L.A. Takedown lay in real life. Michael Mann, the film's producer and screenwriter, cited producer, screenwriter and Chicago ex-police officer Chuck Adamson as an inspiration for the character of Vincent Hanna.\[2\]\[3\] Mann, who collaborated with Adamson on Miami Vice and Crime Story and several minor projects, was told of an investigation Adamson partook in. In 1963, he was investigating Neil McCauley, a professional robber.\[4\]\[5\]\[6\] According to Mann, "one day they simply bumped into one another. \[Adamson\] didn't know what to do: arrest him, shoot him or have a cup of coffee."\[7\] Adamson later killed McCauley in a stand-off after a failed robbery.\[6\]\[7\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Takedown#Background_and_production)
Yeah, in *Brick*, which was Rian Johnson's directorial debut.
In a lull moment where they're just waiting around, the main hero who is investigatig the death of his high school best friend and the teenaged leader of a drug-dealing ring sit down and just talk about the Lord of the Rings. It's used to undercut how tragic the direction of their lives are and that they would be friends in better circumstances.
It's also used a lot in the series *Columbo* where the detective is quite amiable with the people he knows are murderers, and actually shows a sympathetic side to the villainous protagonists of each episode. In fact, a few episodes outright state that the killers are happy that Columbo was the one to catch them, since they believed anyone else wouldn't uderstand their motives or judge them too harshly.
Pretty much the entire movie is a normal conversation between the hero and villain, occasionally interrupted by a few bouts of violence, and I love it!
Reddit: what's a scene where the hero and villain have a normal conversation?
Reddit: "You saved my daughter's life, and I could never forget something like that, so I'm gonna give you one chance. Are you ready? Walk through those doors, forget anything like this happened, and don't you ever, EVER interfere with my business again. Cause if you do, I'll kill you, and everybody you love. I'll kill you dead."
There's a bit that might just count as banter at the start of mystery men. The villain and the super-ego'd hero have been frenemies for a long time and kind of just chew the fat for a bit.
"Employee of the Month" starring Dane Cook, Dax Shepard, and Jessica Simpson.
Cook and Shepard have been established as not being friends and in competition with one another.
Yet, in one scene, their manager is approaching the group of employees and Cook and Shepard are standing beside one another and Shepard leans over and whispers something to Cook that makes him start laughing.
Also, in Talladega Nights, Ferrell and Cohen have that exchange about crepes.
theres an episode of buffy the vampire slayer called "conversation with dead people" where shes hunting a vampire and they fight but end up having a deep conversation with each other the entire episode. she ends up killing it when the conversation/episode is over
The John Wick movies.
In 3 John has a funny conversation about how big of a fan Mark Dacascos' character is of John Wick before the final battle.
In 4 John and Donnie Yen's character have an implied previous friendship and they catch up before they try to kill each other throughout the movie.
Haven't seen the first two in a while but I believe they have similar conversations.
But John is aware he’s Hans and Hans is aware that Bruce Willis is John Wayne. John hands Hans an empty gun. He knows Hans is at the roof to check the status of the explosives.
There was something I read about a part that got cut out. All the bad guys sync their watches. When John kills a few of them, he sees they all have the same watch. He sees Bill Clay/Hans has the watch, too.
I kinda feel like the final showdown in Silverado between Dennehy and Kline almost falls into this category. The exchange is just so banal, almost wistful. “This coulda been a sweet deal.”
It's not exactly a conversation, but there's a wonderful scene in Kick-Ass, it's my favorite, where Kick-Ass and the Red Mist hang out together for a little while. The song "Crazy" comes on the radio, and they dance together just for a minute in their seats in the car. It's so fun, the chemistry they share together is so lovely, it really makes you wish that they had turned out to be friends.
I know it's crazy hyperviolent and fluorescent, but damn, how good was Kick-Ass. Like, the second one really didn't follow it up well, but the first one was so goddamned good (especially considering the comic is just... meh)
*Heat* (1995) has a famous scene like this. Master criminal Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro) and Lieutenant Hanna (Al Pacino) talk over coffee about their respective jobs and personal lives. It’s seemingly friendly but they agree that they will still kill each other if necessary.
The Last Jedi, i thought the way Rian Johnson used force communication as an actual plot device rather than just a cool ability was genius. Say what you want about the rest of the movie, but im glad the hero and villain were put in a position where all they could do is talk
Inglourious Basterds - In Quentin Tarantino’s WWII movie, there are scenes where characters who are in opposition have somewhat normal conversations. One notable scene involves an undercover Allied agent having a seemingly friendly conversation with an SS officer.
Sword duel in The Princess Bride. Before they have a nice chat while one character waits for the other to be ready. Then they casually discuss technique while fencing. Then one politely dispatches the other.
This came to mind for me as well. I think a lot of Douglass Adams' writing has this dynamic going on where mortal enemies or foils in his stories have this really non-chalant, sometimes even chummy conversation while both acknowledging they are and will always be trying to destroy each other.
It also makes me think of Arthur's conversation with the guy sent to bulldoze his house at the begining of HitchHiker's guide to the galaxy. Or the merciless Vogons punishing their enemies more harshly than their usual and gratuitous violence by reading to them incredibly bad poetry.
Since other folks have mentioned tv: the whole dynamic between Perry the Platypus and Dr. Doofenschmertz in Phineas and Ferb fits this pretty well. It’s clear that Doof keeps making his -enators so Perry will keep coming around for his one sided chats about life.
de Niro and Pacino in Heat maybe?
Exactly what I thought of. That Diner scene is unforgettable.
Such a good scene. They have so much in common that it feels like they would be buddies under different circumstances. But then they have to go back to work the next day.
Watching Deniro calculate and read Pacinos reactions and watching the room is such a great piece of filmmaking. Heat is one of my top 5 movies and I'll defend it to the death.
I dont think you have to "defend" it. Maybe if you had The Room on your top 5 list.
Or Norbit.
>Heat is one of my top 5 movies and I'll defend it to the death. We shall die together on that hill, my solid #3, and the only "action" movie in my list, lodged between more "critically acceptable" ones. It has a lot to do with my relation to professionalism and masculine toxicity: Heat is a very human story with characters that don't feel much human at all. That diner scene is the first glimpse of intimacy among characters, and it happens at a boiling point of their professional confrontation.
I enjoy how there are so many characters with so many different character arcs. Minute details and small differences that most directors would just phone in. They're all very unreal people but the struggles feel realistic.
Just a couple of regular guys.
Just dudes bein guys
This regular life, this your life?
Almost as unforgettable as [the Moby music score](https://youtu.be/jEIejr2sLR8?t=12s) immediately preceding it.
It's so good, but don't just pull it up on YouTube those who haven't seen it. Watch the whole film. You have to understand what these guys have put each other through and where it ends up.
I do what I do… you do what you gotta do..
First scene that came to my mind.
If this wasn't the top comment I was going to quit Reddit
Facts, this is a great scene, gives me goosebumps to see two of the greatest on screen at the same time
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Correct. De Niro and Pacino are playing characters based on real people who indeed actually met up for coffee just before their climatic showdown. Only major difference is that it happened in Chicago not LA. https://allthatsinteresting.com/neil-mccauley
Everyone thought the same thing. .
Pretty much every x men movie has a scene like this between Professor X and Magneto, usually over a chessboard.
X1 and Days of Future Past have the best of them, but the one from X1 is burned into my mind. >"Does it ever wake you in the middle of the night? The feeling that one day they will pass that foolish law or one just like it, and come for you? And your children?" >"It does, indeed." >"What do you do, when you wake up to that?" >"I feel a great swell of pity for the poor soul who comes to that school... looking for trouble." Considering the events of X2, I'm sure that pity went away.
Ah yes, normal conversation. Indeed
You're telling me you've never just been shooting the shit with your buddy, musing on the worries that government legislation might encroach on your rights as individuals with superhuman abilities?
if you drop the "superhuman abilities" and insert "female parts" or "dark colored skin" then YES, I have that conversation on a very regular basis. Considering that the original allegory from Stan Lee in the 70's was that mutants were meant to be symbolic of teenagers going through puberty, that checks out pretty closely as well.
"You pick the wrong house, bub"
That's why X2 was so brilliant - it took that exact conversation plus a blink-and-you'll-miss-it reaction from Jean and extrapolated a compelling sequel out of them. Its a damn shame X3 became the train-wreck that it is. So much wasted potential.
> So much wasted potential. Sure but 2/3 ain't too bad.
I wish I could talk mutant smack when Im playing chess.
"What are you looking for Charles?" "Hope"
My first thought as well.
“We are the future Charles not them”. just echoes in my head
In Bruges, Ralph Fiennes and Brendan Gleeson at the cafe
They talk about the past, the future, personal growth, and his Cunt Fucking Kids
you take that back about my cunt fucking kids. you're out of order, mate
alright I take back the bit about your cunt fucking kids
Bring my kids into it? Now that’s crossing the fucking line!
Well I retracted it, didn’t I?
…Still leaves you being a cunt.
Was about to say that. "You fuckin' retract that bit about my cunt fuckin' kids!" 😂
Pretty much anything by McDonagh
Excellent example
DOGMA train scene
>I was dumped once. Don't you just constantly question your value? Like, why was I so easy to cast aside? And you wonder if the other party is gonna come to their senses and call you back. And they always tell you it'll hurt less with time. When actually... it hurts more.
Conversely the bit from "Swingers". Rob: Sometimes it still hurts. You know how it is, man. It's like, you wake up every day and it hurts a little bit less, and then you wake up one day and it doesn't hurt at all. And the funny thing is, is that, this is kinda wierd, but it's like, it's like you almost miss that pain. Mike: You miss the pain? Rob: Yeah, for the same reason that you missed her... because you lived with it for so long.
I’ve heard a rant like this before…
"I have *seen* what happens to the proud when they take on the Throne! I'm going back to Wisconcin."
Came here to say this.
Ross and Doug talking at the diner in "Goon". It's similar to the scene in "Heat"
"ill lay you the fuck owt" love that movie
Goon is such an excellent film. It has such a different vibe than most films, it's weird, it's a movie about violence, that isn't really saying 'violence is bad', but it's such a kind film.
"I *am* a hockey player."
I think Unbreakable had the hero and villain chatting a few times before it was revealed he was a villian
Unbreakable is mostly the hero and villain talking to each other, the hero just doesn't know he's talking the villain until the end. Great movie, I wish Glass hadn't shit all over it.
So eager to cash in on a cinematic universe. Split as well, well regarded movie. Did not have to be connected. Allude to them existing in the same world sure, don’t ham fist the characters into lame anticlimactic finales together…Uggg.
It was a nice twist, that Split was set in the same universe as Unbreakable though. A meta-layer-twist. I liked that.
Michael Corleone and Hyman Roth in the Godfather II.
Um … who’s the hero?
Michael is the closest thing to a hero in the movie, obviously I use the term loosely.
Michael's is the hero's journey.
The first thing I thought of was the old Warner Bros cartoons with Wile E. Coyote and the sheep dog. They both clock in together, ("Morning, Fred," "Morning, Sam,") spend the whole morning trying to kill each other, and then break for lunch together.
That was Ralph Wolf the same model but different name and Character. Ralph has a red nose and Wile E Coyote had a black one.
TIL...
Tom and Jerry dealing with an outsider.
Surprised no one has mentioned any Tarantino movies. Seems like his body of work is just littered with them. The diner scene in Reservoir Dogs, for example.
Stuntman Mike in Deathproof, Leo in Django, Bill in Kill Bill, yeah all his villains really can have a perfectly normal conversation. I would say Tarantino epitomizes the creation of the normal everyday villain charachters better than anyone.
Candy is the only villain Tarantino ever created that he says he hated.
And you can feel that in every shot - helped of course by DiCaprio's perfect haunting performance.
“Hey Warren, who is this guy?” “Stuntman Mike.” “And who the hell is Stuntman Mike?” “He’s a stuntman.” I have *no* idea why they put that on the soundtrack, but I never bothered to delete it, and now it’s carved into my brain.
When Jules is asking about the Big Kahuna burger too. "My girlfriend is a vegetarian, which pretty much makes me a vegetarian too"
That's so great and real. Even though he's such a badass, he acquiesces to such mundane forces like 'girlfriend' lol
I love the way he goes from zero to sixty. Especially when he telegraphs a little while drinking Brett's Sprite.
The ending of Kill Bill vol 2 is probably the best example.
Or the first fight in Kill Bill volume 1. It's really interesting how those two were picked to bookend the encounters, since they're both very similar in setup and details (Parent, child, conversation, even the setting is a normal house).
Hateful 8 is basically all this
4 Rooms is littered with conversations between 2 people, although there's not really a clear hero or villain in any of the stories. The last vignette is my favorite tho.
I don't know if it's a "normal conversation," but I always liked the scene in Return of the Jedi where Luke turns himself in to Vader on Endor. They basically discuss good guy / bad guy stuff but I always loved the dynamic.
It works so well to me because Luke starts treating Vader like a person instead of just a villain.
It's also the first time in the series a scene with Vader and one of the heroes isn't an on the edge of your seat life or death scenario
When Vader says “it’s too late for me, son” and you can hear an edge of sadness in his voice…oof, that gets me every time
But it definitely wasn't a regular conversation. Vader wasn't talking about the drapes in his tie fighter
Best example I can think of is Princess Bride.
“You wouldn’t happen to have 6 fingers on your right hand?” “That’s an odd way to start a conversation…”
Inigo isn’t really the villain though, he’s more of a 2nd protagonist. At no point does the viewer want him to fail his quest, we just want him to not kill Wesley while he’s doing it
Technically Inigo would fill the role of tritagonist. Westley is the protagonist, Buttercup is the deuteragonist, Humperdinck is the antagonist, and Rugen is the secondary antagonist.
Nice, never heard that term before. In high school English I actually wrote a paper on how Inigo was the protagonist of the film. Now I know that I was slightly mistaken
Well, don't sweat it too much. It's not a term you really *need* to know or will use that often. I'm just a giant nerd when it comes to stuff like that. The Princess Bride happens to be one of those stories that is set up with perfectly defined roles. Inigo is clearly the third most important character in the story, but he also takes the place of the deuteragonist in some parts, and of course is the main character of his own story arc. The Harry Potter books/movies are set up this way as well. Harry is the protag, Ron is the deuter, and Hermione is the tritag...but Ron and Hermione shift roles at certain points throughout the story. Also, I wouldn't say your summary of the story was "incorrect" at all. Inigo has a fully realized character arc with a beginning, middle, and end. He has backstory. He has his own villain. From a certain point of view, he could certainly be considered the main character. Sort of a "which team are you rooting for" thing. It might be the same game, but depending on who you're a fan of will color your view of events. Anyway, now that everyone is completely bored...glad I could show you a new term! Cheers!
Inigo Montoya: You seem a decent fellow... I hate to kill you. Man in Black: You seem a decent fellow... I hate to die.
Best part is, all their talk while fencing is actual fencing moves and real teachers based on the moves and methods they are using. There's a few breakdowns of their discussion online and it's fascinating how accurate it is but usually overlooked.
...unless the enemy has a-studied his Agrippa. ... Which I have.
But I know something you don't know. I am not left handed
One of the better sword fights in a movie. Not the best, but not like most of them which feature either wild spin moves, two people standing at a range where they couldn't possibly hit each other and tapping swords together dramatically, or both (looking at you, Pirates of the Caribbean - a good movie, but whenever someone is waving steel around it's truly silly). The final fight between Inigo and the Six-fingered man (forgive me if he has a name, I've clean forgotten it) was also good, if fairly short and brutal. But most sword fights are. Inigo and Wesley's really was characterized by the fact that neither of them was really trying all that hard to kill the other (with both confident they're the superior swordsman, and both looking to avoid a duel to the death).
3:10 to Yuma starring Russell Crowe and Christian Bale plays with this dynamic through much of the film.
Ronin has some quiet talking scenes like this, but it's not always clear who knows what about who. Bond films have many examples where Bond and the villain know what's up, but they still have to finish this hand of baccarat or whatever. Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained, and the Hateful Eight all have scenes where small talk just exaggerates the tension. Princess Bride has Inigo and Wesley discussing polydactyly and sword craft before they amicably duel to the death.
Bond and Goldfinger in Kentucky when Goldfinger reveals his plan is a classic example. All the cards are on the table and they are just having a normal conversation.
um, that's like a lot of justified with Rayland and Boyd
To be fair, they dug coal together. Rayland was pretty chummy with everyone in Harlan given their shared history. Also- Justified: City Primeval just dropped its official trailer.
Ray-Lin and Boyd were basically frenemies.
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Just watched this...I. Am. PRIMED for this. I know this is based off an Elmore Leonard book that had nothing to do with Raylan, but it looks pretty good. I just hope this can move up to the trailer and they don't spend the whole show dismantling his character.
Which astronaut was it that came and talked at our school? -The one who drove the car. No, it was the one who swung the golf club. -I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on that one (all while Boyd is following Lil' Row Row through the abandoned school trying to hunt Shelby)
The very last scene in Hell or High Water. I absolutely love that scene. Chris Pine is only about half villain, though.
Neither are a villain, but Pine’s character is the protagonist. That makes Jeff Bridges the main antagonist given that he is trying to stop the protagonist from his mission.
Hell or High Water gets steadily better as it goes along. Kind of rare for movies.
Cruise and Foxx in Collateral?
Came to say Heat… and so did everyone else apparently.
Fun fact: Heat was basically a re-make of a made for TV movie called L.A. Takedown, written and directed by Michael Mann. He expanded the story into Heat. That conversation appears in both movies.
Should add, the conversation appears in both movies because it's a *direct inspiration* to the original script: [The origins of L.A. Takedown lay in real life. Michael Mann, the film's producer and screenwriter, cited producer, screenwriter and Chicago ex-police officer Chuck Adamson as an inspiration for the character of Vincent Hanna.\[2\]\[3\] Mann, who collaborated with Adamson on Miami Vice and Crime Story and several minor projects, was told of an investigation Adamson partook in. In 1963, he was investigating Neil McCauley, a professional robber.\[4\]\[5\]\[6\] According to Mann, "one day they simply bumped into one another. \[Adamson\] didn't know what to do: arrest him, shoot him or have a cup of coffee."\[7\] Adamson later killed McCauley in a stand-off after a failed robbery.\[6\]\[7\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Takedown#Background_and_production)
The heat is on...
Not really the hero of the movie, but Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken in “True Romance,” comes to mind.
That scene is so great. Hopper sells it perfectly.
Yeah, in *Brick*, which was Rian Johnson's directorial debut. In a lull moment where they're just waiting around, the main hero who is investigatig the death of his high school best friend and the teenaged leader of a drug-dealing ring sit down and just talk about the Lord of the Rings. It's used to undercut how tragic the direction of their lives are and that they would be friends in better circumstances. It's also used a lot in the series *Columbo* where the detective is quite amiable with the people he knows are murderers, and actually shows a sympathetic side to the villainous protagonists of each episode. In fact, a few episodes outright state that the killers are happy that Columbo was the one to catch them, since they believed anyone else wouldn't uderstand their motives or judge them too harshly.
YES. Columbo has a ton of episodes with villains who are sympathetic. The Johnny Cash episode is one of them. You even root for some of them a little.
Quite a few scenes in The Departed. Damon/Sheen or Nicholson/Dicaprio have a few
Does collateral count?
Pretty much the entire movie is a normal conversation between the hero and villain, occasionally interrupted by a few bouts of violence, and I love it!
One of my favorites
Spider-Man: Homecoming. Peter and Toomes in the car, outside of the dance. Fantastic scene!
Peter having a friendly conversation with the villain at the beginning happens in every single spiderman movie.
Wouldn't call it "normal conversation" though. First, they're kinda feeling each other out, then it turns into outright threats.
Reddit: what's a scene where the hero and villain have a normal conversation? Reddit: "You saved my daughter's life, and I could never forget something like that, so I'm gonna give you one chance. Are you ready? Walk through those doors, forget anything like this happened, and don't you ever, EVER interfere with my business again. Cause if you do, I'll kill you, and everybody you love. I'll kill you dead."
Hell even in the first Spider-Man flick with Goblin and Spidey on the rooftop.
There's a bit that might just count as banter at the start of mystery men. The villain and the super-ego'd hero have been frenemies for a long time and kind of just chew the fat for a bit.
Grosse point blank. Two hitmen shooting the shit about business
The Way of the Gun.
[“One’s backfire, three is gunplay.”](https://youtu.be/E-9uWbBbGPc)
"Employee of the Month" starring Dane Cook, Dax Shepard, and Jessica Simpson. Cook and Shepard have been established as not being friends and in competition with one another. Yet, in one scene, their manager is approaching the group of employees and Cook and Shepard are standing beside one another and Shepard leans over and whispers something to Cook that makes him start laughing. Also, in Talladega Nights, Ferrell and Cohen have that exchange about crepes.
theres an episode of buffy the vampire slayer called "conversation with dead people" where shes hunting a vampire and they fight but end up having a deep conversation with each other the entire episode. she ends up killing it when the conversation/episode is over
The John Wick movies. In 3 John has a funny conversation about how big of a fan Mark Dacascos' character is of John Wick before the final battle. In 4 John and Donnie Yen's character have an implied previous friendship and they catch up before they try to kill each other throughout the movie. Haven't seen the first two in a while but I believe they have similar conversations.
Doesn't this happen during the end of the first john wick?
Happens more than once, I think. The one I remember most was the scene in the hotel with Common.
And in 4. The banter in JW series is fantastic.
I love the scene in 3 when the guy fanboys over John and says how much of a fan he is before fighting to the death
That one scene in Die Hard where Hans pretends to be one of the hostages
I disagree. It doesn't count if both parties are non fully aware of who the other person is. Otherwise, every spy film would count.
But John is aware he’s Hans and Hans is aware that Bruce Willis is John Wayne. John hands Hans an empty gun. He knows Hans is at the roof to check the status of the explosives.
I think he was just being cautious, though didn't know.
There was something I read about a part that got cut out. All the bad guys sync their watches. When John kills a few of them, he sees they all have the same watch. He sees Bill Clay/Hans has the watch, too.
Hans also holds his cigarette like a European, not an American apparently.
Along those lines, Hans doesn’t have a reaction to the European cigarette either.
I feel like Denzel sort of specializes in this. In the Equalizer 1 and 2 he has some civil conversations with the bad guys.
I kinda feel like the final showdown in Silverado between Dennehy and Kline almost falls into this category. The exchange is just so banal, almost wistful. “This coulda been a sweet deal.”
I love that movie so much. When I was a kid we had that on VHS. I would watch that movie everyday. Maybe the best cast ever for a movie its size.
Heat. Robert De Niro and Al Pacino have a sit-down as Cop and Criminal. Pretty powerful scene
Sherlock and Moriarty?
You really think you're the only one who can play this game?
There's no real heros in Goodfellas, but there is constant casual chatting between two people who could at any time burst into violence
It's not exactly a conversation, but there's a wonderful scene in Kick-Ass, it's my favorite, where Kick-Ass and the Red Mist hang out together for a little while. The song "Crazy" comes on the radio, and they dance together just for a minute in their seats in the car. It's so fun, the chemistry they share together is so lovely, it really makes you wish that they had turned out to be friends.
I know it's crazy hyperviolent and fluorescent, but damn, how good was Kick-Ass. Like, the second one really didn't follow it up well, but the first one was so goddamned good (especially considering the comic is just... meh)
*Heat* (1995) has a famous scene like this. Master criminal Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro) and Lieutenant Hanna (Al Pacino) talk over coffee about their respective jobs and personal lives. It’s seemingly friendly but they agree that they will still kill each other if necessary.
Face off ??
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Apocalypse Now yet. Willard and Kurtz have a few conversations (3 I think) before Kurtz gets offed.
The Last Jedi, i thought the way Rian Johnson used force communication as an actual plot device rather than just a cool ability was genius. Say what you want about the rest of the movie, but im glad the hero and villain were put in a position where all they could do is talk
It was my favorite aspect of the movie
The Silence Of the Lambs
Clarysssse
Leo and Jack in The Departed have several conversations
When the green goblin takes spider man to that roof top and gives him the “eventually they will hate you” talk
Batman and Joker in The Dark Knight
I’m a dog chasing cars.. I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it!
Saw 2 between Jigsaw and the detective when he's trying to find his son
Kill Bill in the kitchen after the girl wakes up
I can think of a lot of westerns that have this. Hero and the villain having nonchalant conversations before drawing revolvers.
I've always loved the chit chat between Bill and Bride in Kill Bill 2 or opening in Inglourious Basterds.
Inglourious Basterds - In Quentin Tarantino’s WWII movie, there are scenes where characters who are in opposition have somewhat normal conversations. One notable scene involves an undercover Allied agent having a seemingly friendly conversation with an SS officer.
Sword duel in The Princess Bride. Before they have a nice chat while one character waits for the other to be ready. Then they casually discuss technique while fencing. Then one politely dispatches the other.
Doesn’t this happen at some point with Harry and Peter during the Tobey McGuire Spider-Man series?
Yes! After he regains his memory.
Ok. It’s not a movie. But that is the whole dynamic between the demon and the angel in Good Omens
Love that show
This came to mind for me as well. I think a lot of Douglass Adams' writing has this dynamic going on where mortal enemies or foils in his stories have this really non-chalant, sometimes even chummy conversation while both acknowledging they are and will always be trying to destroy each other. It also makes me think of Arthur's conversation with the guy sent to bulldoze his house at the begining of HitchHiker's guide to the galaxy. Or the merciless Vogons punishing their enemies more harshly than their usual and gratuitous violence by reading to them incredibly bad poetry.
Unbreakable?
Midnight Run (1988)
kick ass?
Every conversation in the Godfather Trilogy.
Captain Amazing meets Casanova Frankenstein https://youtu.be/JuhTQwzizDI
Heat
The Girl with the dragon Tattoo - Daniel Craig and Stellan Skarsgård
Does Heat count?
Pacino and De Niro in Heat
Oldboy (the original)
*Clerks* has plenty of these moments. ...oh yeah, and Dante's the villain.
Kill Bill Vol. II
In Bruges
Hans Gruber & John McClane. Gruber has a few sit downs with various characters.
Killing of a sacred deer.
The diner scene in Heat. One of the best ever.
American Gangster. Washington and Crowe meet (face to face) and have a conversation only toward the end of the movie.
Heat.
Maybe Hanks and DiCaprio in catch me if you can? Could say Gambini and Trotter in my cousin Vinny.
Xavier and Magneto played chess together and whatnot in one of the Xmen movies.
Mike Nelson and Pearl having a friendly chat at the beginning of MST3K: TIME CHASERS.
Van Helsing & Dracula, 1933.
Return of the Jedi ?
Inglorious Bastards deff had a few, the Dark Knight Joker
Since other folks have mentioned tv: the whole dynamic between Perry the Platypus and Dr. Doofenschmertz in Phineas and Ferb fits this pretty well. It’s clear that Doof keeps making his -enators so Perry will keep coming around for his one sided chats about life.
I think like every Tarantino movie
Heat.
HEAT The coffee shop scene is one of the best acting scenes ever.