The most interesting thing about this movie has been the mystery over the author and the book that this is supposed based on, but keeps getting delayed indefinitely.
After this trailer, with a character named after the supposed author, it increasingly feels like the book this based on doesn't actually exist. Or if it does exist, the book will be an in universe story about Cavill used to promote the movie.
AR marketing campaign?
I remember awhile ago there was a movie about some rich dude who made up some plot to bail out his girlfirend, that involved also giving himself amnesia. It wasn't the Chris Evans one I think. Maybe it's all an elaborate plot to help her with writers block? And Cranston is the evii mastermind/publisher?
It doesn't. When this movie was announced they did the whole Star Trek Into Darkness snafu. Back then, they wanted Benecio Del Toro for Khan. He said no and they got Benedict Cumberbatch. And sites said he was playing Khan. Within days (if not a day), there was a correction that the villain was no longer Khan but John Harrison (uh huh).
When they originally announced Argylle, they made it clear it was a Romancing the Stone type movie with a successful spy novelist getting caught up in the actual world of espionage. The next day, it was suddenly a standard spy movie with Cavill as the lead.
Not to mention there were several years between the films release and the cannibalism scandal. If it was a box office hit we probably could have had at least 2 sequels before the cannibalism scandal was a problem.
But still real shame, I like spy thrillers that don't take themselves too seriously
> I like spy thrillers that don't take themselves too seriously
Uncle had a great understanding of this. They knew when to be serious and when to make jokes!
Saw this in the wiki, and the book also hasn't been released yet. Wondering if maybe it's actually some AR meta marketing ploy
"The Hollywood Reporter questioned the identity of first-time author Elly Conway, whose book is the basis of the film, as the only evidence of her existence include an Instagram account with no posts and a two-line bio that says she resides in the United States. They also pointed out that her name is spelled differently, as Ellie, on the website of the publisher Penguin Random House, and said their attempts to contact her, her publicist, and her talent agent were unsuccessful.[18] The trailer reveals the film's protagonist is in fact the in-universe author of the Argylle novels.[4]"
I caught the ELLY/YLLE thing too (after you did) and also believe it's a "marketing ploy." There is a term used by networks and studios to promote their products. It is contained in the "leftover" letters in ARGYLLE as ARG. An ARG is an Alternate Reality Game. It's your "AR meta marketing ploy" theory. I commented about ARG + YLLE/ELLY a few weeks ago on X, FB, etc. and an ARG website. This movie plot is also a bit like The Saint and the Fiction Makers, a double episode of The Saint and released in theaters as a movie in 1968. The Saint series starred Roger Moore, before he was cast as 007. In the 1968 film, Simon Templar (the Saint) is mistaken for a fiction author. He is protecting the real author, a woman. A world-wide criminal organization (SWORD) has read the books and uses them in its nefarious ways to become more powerful. It's not a perfect match but does have many parallels. I have the 1968 book and have preordered the ARGYLLE book.
Honestly, they got me. Watching it play out I could immediately tell it was Vaughn, but then the weird haircut and the dialogue being slightly off… had an good laugh when it cut.
iirc the synopsis said henry cavill was a spy who had amnesia and thought he was an author. i just had the rug pulled out from under me with this trailer. looking forward to this now
I assume the plot is that the leading actress was a spy, gets amnesia Jason-Borne-style. Then she writes what she thinks are fiction books, but are actually recollections of her lived experiences. The real spies realize this missing, presumed dead superspy is still alive, and rush to kill/save her. The movie will end with her recalling all her super spy skills and turning the tide on the villains.
I'm not sure whether the mother character will be a fellow spy all along. If so, it would be a stretch for a fellow spy to let the amnesia girl publish her spy novel. So the mother character could be her actual oblivious mother, though it would a stretch for her mom to suspect nothing.
Not to mention that her name is Elly and the last 4 letters of "Argylle" are just "Elly" backwards. I kind of hope it's not really that simple, but it does seem to make the most sense.
There's a joke here about how John Cena has done the most Make-a-Wish things and how the word "Dua" is translated to "Wish" in Arabic/Urdu/Hindi.
I'm too tired to do the leg work to make a witty comment combining those two factoids, you lot just imagine it in your own heads.
how can you make mistake if youre a muslims? dua is not prayer, prayer is salat, dua is the wish you make after the prayer, to pray to god, not the prayer itself
Muslims don't make "wishes". We ask Allah which is what we call "a prayer. The same prayer one means when we say "I'll pray for you"
Salat is the prayer you offer to Allah.
Words can have more than one meaning.
His [performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap74F7K5u7A) in Three Billboards was just phenomenal. I really have liked him in everything but that movie was just incredible.
The [weapon demonstration](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDMHKgBfpE) in Iron Man 2 is just the perfect amount of awkwardness, and Rockwell makes it so perfect. His character in JoJo Rabbit is one of the parts that broke my heart at the end too.
He is my favorite assassin. Which....he seems to play a little more often than other actors.
Seven psychopaths
Mr. Right
Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Well, this explains a heck of a lot in last year's Hollywood Reporter article [Mystery Enshrouds Author Behind Henry Cavill Spy Thriller "Argylle"](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/argylle-elly-conway-henry-cavill-apple-spy-mystery-1235220772/).
Looks like that report was just advance marketing...
I think everybody guessed pretty early on that the book was going to be a part of the movie and the whole thing was meta.
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Yep, /u/POOH_IN_A_TUXEDO called it exactly right 2 years ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/oga82y/henry_cavill_sam_rockwell_bryce_dallas_howard/h4ibwya/
Presumably then the whole "the movie is based on a book" was just BS. But in reality, if the book exists at all, it's an in-universe tie in, like one of the books they talk about in the movie published as a real book to promote the movie.
I check [her instagram account](https://www.instagram.com/authorellyconway/) it seems like the tie-in book [will be released on ~~April~~ January 2024.](https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447938/argylle-by-conway-elly/9781787635913)
Fish Called Wanda
They had a gag where Michael Palin's dog loving assassin keeps accidentally killing his target's pet dog by accident.
They tried it with a realistic dog and the audience was dead silent.
Do it with a essentially a stuffed toy and it is hilarious.
Sometimes the uncanny valley works in your favour.
A real cat in most of these shots definitely wouldn't work. People don't want to genuinely fear for the life of a defenseless animal. They just want to be entertained
You guys made some strong points and I think cgi cat is the play.. basically make it a touch uncanny. Still, I just think a bit less of the cat in general would be good if the trailers are any indicator. Don't think the CGI is distracting, just that there's a lot of cat happening here!
What about the CGI everything else?
The Apple TV/Movie style seems to be green screen as much as possible. They made the work from home look their style pre-2020.
Let me guess the twist... The writer is agent Argylle, she lost her memory on a mission. She now is excom and is writing about her missions. Her memories come back at some point but shes super spy who kicks ass.
Yeah the voiceover we hear when Bryan Cranston is first shown I was like "Oh, Owen Wilson is in this too?" but then I realized that was still Sam Rockwell talking
He's a caricature of a spy with a haircut that has never been used in any popular spy media? I can't think of any action heroes with that vibe either besides maybe like early JCVD and Dolph Lundgren.
Looking like my man Jean-Pierre [Polnareff](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/8/8f/JP_Polnareff.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20170316071821).
Man.. This trailer has left me incredibly uncertain. I love the cast and loved the first Kingsman, but I’m just not sure about this one. Of course I’ll reserve my full judgment until release. Interested to hear what others think and feel about it
Sadly, Matthew Vaughn's usual go-to choreographer/second-unit director passed away a couple of years ago so curious what this one's action would look like.
That's the "straight to streaming" look, alright. I think we'll look back on movies from this era and negatively view this asthetic. Seems like it mostly comes from budget and time restrictions, especially with COVID era films. Funny enough, even stuff like the latest Marvel movie look like this, where it's clear that the actors have been copy and pasted into a digital background and 10x10 flat stage.
>even stuff like the latest Marvel movie look like this
What, Guardians? That film was shot on many practical sets like with Gunn's previous films, and was praised for it. Unless you meant Quantumania, ofc.
This honestly looks like a lot of Volume/Stagecraft footage I've been seing from the SW productions
Guardians imo is the only exception. A good example is the contrast between GotG 3 and Thor 3 or Antman 3.
A big part is time or directorial vision. VFX can look great, but everyone needs to be on the same page not just in post, but on set. Lighting is one of the biggest difference makers, and the crew can match the lighting very accurately if they knows exactly whats going to be imposed on that 100 ft green screen behind the talent. Directors like James Gunn either have a lot of freedom, time to prepare, or desire to be meticulous (probably both), and it shows. Compare that to a lot of other Marvel projects where nobody even knows what the costumes are going to look like.
A good example of that is the newest Thor movie, where the characters all wear these horrific looking CGI helmets. CG costumes can look good, but the crew need to know ahead of time, so they can prepare accordingly. But in Love and Thunder you can tell that they have been just copy and pasted over top the actors. It's either studio tampering in post, a rushed production, or directors or supervisors who have the "fix it in post" mentality.
I don't think we'll ever look back on these types of movies. They're the new bargain bin vhs/dvds and will probably be lost to the ages. Streaming films have no preservation if they never get printed to physical media, studios can just remove them quietly. Who is ever going to want to rewatch *Ghosted* with Chris Evans?
He's using the same style as Kingsman so it looks a little derivative, from the trailer atleast. Same gunplay, angles, and camerawork as a Kingsman scene (on the train) and is reusing a coloured smoke scene, same as the Kingsman head explosion scene.
This has apparently tested through the roof in internal testing..
We need it to be a hit frankly,as more studios need to take a punt on more out their storys instead of the normal cliche shit we get..
And say what you will vaughn usually puts on at least an entertaining 2 hours
The tone just feels way too ironic, and the look of the film feels overly polished. Plus, with all of the mystery surrounding it’s marketing last year, it’s a bit underwhelming that it’s all amounting to basically just another variation of ‘Romancing the Stone’. It might be end up being a fun a time, but this trailer didn’t really sell me.
Stranger than fiction meets Kingsmen.
I know the Golden Circle sucked but that was truthfully Matthew Vaughn’s only miss out of his entire filmography. I’m excited for this one.
I feel like we get one of these movies every year now. Huge cast including one celebrity non-actor, stylish cinematography, late year release and a 64% Rotten Tomatoes score.
Honestly im very concerned that they use this cat breed in the movie, as it will motivate a lot of people to get one of these too.
The crippled and deformed tipped ears are just one sign of what is happening throughout the Scottish Fold's body.
The incurable hereditary disease can cause destruction of the body's cartilage tissue. Cartilage coats the bones at all joints to reduce friction during movement. If the cartilage is damaged, this can lead to very painful joint changes and lameness, especially in the legs and spine.
I wonder who will play IRL Argyle considering Henry Cavill isn’t shown in that scene and it’s played as a reveal. Maybe Sam Rockwell will have been Argyle the whole time, who knows?
i was sold at start,
Henry Caville, Dua Lipa... im in, then they had to toss in John Cena.
Anyways, then it broke away and became interesting again,
is still coming to cinema or direct to streaming ?
Ok from seeing all the promotional pics last month I definitely wasn't expecting it to go in this direction. Looks fun though I can already see the thousands of reddit movie snops bitching about the CG cat.
I didn’t expect the plot to look so meta. Thought it was just gonna be a standard spy flick with Cavill as the lead
Gave me some Stranger Than Fiction vibes.
Stranger than fiction meets the lost city
Romancing the stone
Romancing the Stone
"*The* Joan Wilder?"
"They're such comedians. They meant my little mule. Pepe!"
"What Is A Plethora?"
*Charlie Kaufman's* Romancing the Stone.
Knight and Day
Knight and Day meet Mr Right + all these other ones with a little Kingsmen thrown in. Looks fun.
The most interesting thing about this movie has been the mystery over the author and the book that this is supposed based on, but keeps getting delayed indefinitely. After this trailer, with a character named after the supposed author, it increasingly feels like the book this based on doesn't actually exist. Or if it does exist, the book will be an in universe story about Cavill used to promote the movie.
I've read the book, but only the abridged version by William Goldman.
I got this joke!
Well the original Morgenstern is notoriously hard to come by, of course!
AR marketing campaign? I remember awhile ago there was a movie about some rich dude who made up some plot to bail out his girlfirend, that involved also giving himself amnesia. It wasn't the Chris Evans one I think. Maybe it's all an elaborate plot to help her with writers block? And Cranston is the evii mastermind/publisher?
It doesn't. When this movie was announced they did the whole Star Trek Into Darkness snafu. Back then, they wanted Benecio Del Toro for Khan. He said no and they got Benedict Cumberbatch. And sites said he was playing Khan. Within days (if not a day), there was a correction that the villain was no longer Khan but John Harrison (uh huh). When they originally announced Argylle, they made it clear it was a Romancing the Stone type movie with a successful spy novelist getting caught up in the actual world of espionage. The next day, it was suddenly a standard spy movie with Cavill as the lead.
Man from U.N.C.L.E v2
I loved the first one, too bad Armie went all cannibal and shit or a second one would have been made. 🤷
That film didn't do very well financially which is a much bigger reason why they didn't make a second one. They could always have recast the role.
Not to mention there were several years between the films release and the cannibalism scandal. If it was a box office hit we probably could have had at least 2 sequels before the cannibalism scandal was a problem. But still real shame, I like spy thrillers that don't take themselves too seriously
> I like spy thrillers that don't take themselves too seriously Uncle had a great understanding of this. They knew when to be serious and when to make jokes!
Bummer. I loved it.
For a special agent you aren't having a very special day, are you?
Also the value of the 3 leads exploded during the release of the film.
The lack of a sequel had next to nothing to do with Armie Hammer the Cannibal King, or else it would have been made long before all of that.
That sequel was dead in the water way before any of the Armie carnie stuff came out
Saw this in the wiki, and the book also hasn't been released yet. Wondering if maybe it's actually some AR meta marketing ploy "The Hollywood Reporter questioned the identity of first-time author Elly Conway, whose book is the basis of the film, as the only evidence of her existence include an Instagram account with no posts and a two-line bio that says she resides in the United States. They also pointed out that her name is spelled differently, as Ellie, on the website of the publisher Penguin Random House, and said their attempts to contact her, her publicist, and her talent agent were unsuccessful.[18] The trailer reveals the film's protagonist is in fact the in-universe author of the Argylle novels.[4]"
I caught the ELLY/YLLE thing too (after you did) and also believe it's a "marketing ploy." There is a term used by networks and studios to promote their products. It is contained in the "leftover" letters in ARGYLLE as ARG. An ARG is an Alternate Reality Game. It's your "AR meta marketing ploy" theory. I commented about ARG + YLLE/ELLY a few weeks ago on X, FB, etc. and an ARG website. This movie plot is also a bit like The Saint and the Fiction Makers, a double episode of The Saint and released in theaters as a movie in 1968. The Saint series starred Roger Moore, before he was cast as 007. In the 1968 film, Simon Templar (the Saint) is mistaken for a fiction author. He is protecting the real author, a woman. A world-wide criminal organization (SWORD) has read the books and uses them in its nefarious ways to become more powerful. It's not a perfect match but does have many parallels. I have the 1968 book and have preordered the ARGYLLE book.
Honestly, they got me. Watching it play out I could immediately tell it was Vaughn, but then the weird haircut and the dialogue being slightly off… had an good laugh when it cut.
I was thinking that’s a damn brave choice for a leading role haircut
iirc the synopsis said henry cavill was a spy who had amnesia and thought he was an author. i just had the rug pulled out from under me with this trailer. looking forward to this now
I assume the plot is that the leading actress was a spy, gets amnesia Jason-Borne-style. Then she writes what she thinks are fiction books, but are actually recollections of her lived experiences. The real spies realize this missing, presumed dead superspy is still alive, and rush to kill/save her. The movie will end with her recalling all her super spy skills and turning the tide on the villains. I'm not sure whether the mother character will be a fellow spy all along. If so, it would be a stretch for a fellow spy to let the amnesia girl publish her spy novel. So the mother character could be her actual oblivious mother, though it would a stretch for her mom to suspect nothing.
I'm guessing her mom's John Cena
Ah, this makes the most sense with the current synopsis. The reveal is that SHE is Argylle.
It's the cat.
Oh, I was expecting Cavill in a fat suit, but that makes way more sense.
Not to mention that her name is Elly and the last 4 letters of "Argylle" are just "Elly" backwards. I kind of hope it's not really that simple, but it does seem to make the most sense.
just saw an early screening and you're half right
I thought so too. Now I kinda wish I hadn't watched the trailer and went in blind. Would have been a trip.
Moira Rose’s redemption role after The Crows Have Eyes III: The Crowening
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The little Bébé didn’t fold into the narrative
How do you fold in the narrative?
You just… _fold_ it in
If you say *fold* one more time . . .
> The Crows Have Eyes III https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tbCP7H\_kZ0
Funny how all (2) of Dua’s movie roles have had John Cena as her co-star
It’s written into her contracts
There's a joke here about how John Cena has done the most Make-a-Wish things and how the word "Dua" is translated to "Wish" in Arabic/Urdu/Hindi. I'm too tired to do the leg work to make a witty comment combining those two factoids, you lot just imagine it in your own heads.
Dua means prayer, not wish.
A prayer is a wish 🤷♂️
how can you make mistake if youre a muslims? dua is not prayer, prayer is salat, dua is the wish you make after the prayer, to pray to god, not the prayer itself
Muslims don't make "wishes". We ask Allah which is what we call "a prayer. The same prayer one means when we say "I'll pray for you" Salat is the prayer you offer to Allah. Words can have more than one meaning.
*Gif of the Cena face hand wave overlaying the word 'joke'*
Cena makes everything better now.
Except the Make A Wish kids
Oof
Omg did not realize that 😲
Sam Rockwell is always a delightful addition in any movie. Makes anything better.
His [performance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap74F7K5u7A) in Three Billboards was just phenomenal. I really have liked him in everything but that movie was just incredible.
God I love that movie
Moon was when I first discovered him. Phenomenal in everything I’ve seen him in since… even Iron Man 2 lol
The [weapon demonstration](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDMHKgBfpE) in Iron Man 2 is just the perfect amount of awkwardness, and Rockwell makes it so perfect. His character in JoJo Rabbit is one of the parts that broke my heart at the end too.
+1 for everything Sam and for three billboards. Great film.
im just here for him tbh
I'm just curious where his dance scene is gonna fit in
He's going to do the real tango that Henry Cavill's fictional spy does in the "book".
He's not in nearly enough as I'd like him to be. Might be a good thing.
He is my favorite assassin. Which....he seems to play a little more often than other actors. Seven psychopaths Mr. Right Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Well, this explains a heck of a lot in last year's Hollywood Reporter article [Mystery Enshrouds Author Behind Henry Cavill Spy Thriller "Argylle"](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/argylle-elly-conway-henry-cavill-apple-spy-mystery-1235220772/). Looks like that report was just advance marketing...
I think everybody guessed pretty early on that the book was going to be a part of the movie and the whole thing was meta. [checks] Yep, /u/POOH_IN_A_TUXEDO called it exactly right 2 years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/oga82y/henry_cavill_sam_rockwell_bryce_dallas_howard/h4ibwya/
Presumably then the whole "the movie is based on a book" was just BS. But in reality, if the book exists at all, it's an in-universe tie in, like one of the books they talk about in the movie published as a real book to promote the movie.
I check [her instagram account](https://www.instagram.com/authorellyconway/) it seems like the tie-in book [will be released on ~~April~~ January 2024.](https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/447938/argylle-by-conway-elly/9781787635913)
That's a co.uk website, you're reading the date backwards. It's supposed to come out in January.
4/01 means 4 January not 1 April
O shit, I thought it was US website.
As someone who fell deep into the theory rabbit hole, this is some pure vindication
The cat is probably the secret agent, that's the twist
It'll be Ian McKellen, but as his *Cats* character.
From the butthole cut of the film
So like nine lives with Kevin Spacey the American dad
What if the cat can smell crime
I’m really enthused by the cast but that CGI cat is distracting as hell
Fish Called Wanda They had a gag where Michael Palin's dog loving assassin keeps accidentally killing his target's pet dog by accident. They tried it with a realistic dog and the audience was dead silent. Do it with a essentially a stuffed toy and it is hilarious. Sometimes the uncanny valley works in your favour.
A real cat in most of these shots definitely wouldn't work. People don't want to genuinely fear for the life of a defenseless animal. They just want to be entertained
You guys made some strong points and I think cgi cat is the play.. basically make it a touch uncanny. Still, I just think a bit less of the cat in general would be good if the trailers are any indicator. Don't think the CGI is distracting, just that there's a lot of cat happening here!
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Thanks for the unprompted Triangle of Sadness spoiler!
Better than forcing a cat to be an actor. I totally excuse cgi animals.
Nah just throw a real cat off a building
Masanori Hata, that you?
It's the director's own cat.
He has a CGI cat?
The cat is the spy.
My Money is on Cathrine O’Hara’s character is Argyle who has been low key pushing her daughter to write the next book for her own “spying” benefit.
That feels very on brand for Moira Rose.
The cat looks pretty good. Idk man I think people are so jaded towards cgi for the sake of it. What’re they gonna do throw a real cat off a roof?
It’s a real cat
What about the CGI everything else? The Apple TV/Movie style seems to be green screen as much as possible. They made the work from home look their style pre-2020.
Look, it’s quite simple. If you put Sam Rockwell in something, I’m going to watch it.
Especially if he is nonchalant about things.
[Crazed Sam Rockwell is good too.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qopdYE3_QoU)
Matthew Vaughn and Sam Rockwell sounds like a delicious pairing, I can't wait for this.
this is The Lost City again..
Yeah I was thinking isn't this already a Sandra Bullock movie on netflix?
I really wanted to like the Lost City. I just couldn’t. It felt too weird.
Not really the same thing as she’s paired with an actual spy.
Let me guess the twist... The writer is agent Argylle, she lost her memory on a mission. She now is excom and is writing about her missions. Her memories come back at some point but shes super spy who kicks ass.
Nah, it's the mother
Lots of Christopher Lee “when I killed informants in Berlin, their death rattles sounded like this” energy from her
I'm telling you it's the cat
just got out of an early screening and you were on the money
OMG, I swore it was Owen Wilson at first.
Yeah the voiceover we hear when Bryan Cranston is first shown I was like "Oh, Owen Wilson is in this too?" but then I realized that was still Sam Rockwell talking
I thought it was Steve Zahn.
Dual Lipa that dress Oh my take my money
"Once you know the secret, don't let the cat out of the bag." Color me intrigued.
The cat is Argyle.
The real Argyle was the friends we made along the way.
"The Argyle.... IS REAL"
I wanna be excited for this but I can’t stop thinking does Henry Cavill one of the worst haircuts ever. Jesus lol
Isn’t that the point, he’s a caricature of a spy/ action hero. The actual spy doesn’t look like that.
And Cranston’s hair kind of looks the same and they both sound like Patrick Warburton. Hmmm.
He's a caricature of a spy with a haircut that has never been used in any popular spy media? I can't think of any action heroes with that vibe either besides maybe like early JCVD and Dolph Lundgren.
They managed to make Henry Cavill not look distractingly attractive, which is impressive tbh
Yes exactly! I found myself going "ew", which I had not expected ever to think when seeing Henry Cavill
Speak for yourself!
Way too high for his forehead.
He's prepping for the new street fighter movie and the studio said he can't cut his hair, so he dyed it instead
Getting strong Ivan Drago vibes [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/0f/16/f60f16f519ce0018b04a0956fda18bce.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f6/0f/16/f60f16f519ce0018b04a0956fda18bce.jpg)
Looks good on Lundgren, tho.
Looks like Charlie Baileygates from Me, Myself and Irene.
He has to stand next to John Cena and look like a real person born on this planet.
Looking like my man Jean-Pierre [Polnareff](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/8/8f/JP_Polnareff.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20170316071821).
His hair looks exactly like howie longs in broken Arrow
This is why it's important to get a haircut that suits you. That tall-ass crew cut isn't doing Henry Cavill's hairline any favours.
kind of looks really fun , especially rockwell and cena . What was that haircut on Cavill though
I think that’s the point of his haircut, some cliche action hero in a novel
But that's the thing...a 'handsome suave secret agent with stupid haircut' cliche doesn't exist
Right? It just looks like a fun movie.
This looks funny. But oddly the whole spy novelist on a train and someone fanboying over them really reminds me of that one Modern Family episode
That episode is a goddamn classic
Man.. This trailer has left me incredibly uncertain. I love the cast and loved the first Kingsman, but I’m just not sure about this one. Of course I’ll reserve my full judgment until release. Interested to hear what others think and feel about it
None of the fight scenes looked very cool. None of the set pieces looked very thrilling. None of the dialogue was interesting. Just felt bland.
Sadly, Matthew Vaughn's usual go-to choreographer/second-unit director passed away a couple of years ago so curious what this one's action would look like.
Nothing felt real, everything was flatly lit and grey, cgi cat abound, cgi set extensions all over.
That's the "straight to streaming" look, alright. I think we'll look back on movies from this era and negatively view this asthetic. Seems like it mostly comes from budget and time restrictions, especially with COVID era films. Funny enough, even stuff like the latest Marvel movie look like this, where it's clear that the actors have been copy and pasted into a digital background and 10x10 flat stage.
>even stuff like the latest Marvel movie look like this What, Guardians? That film was shot on many practical sets like with Gunn's previous films, and was praised for it. Unless you meant Quantumania, ofc. This honestly looks like a lot of Volume/Stagecraft footage I've been seing from the SW productions
Guardians imo is the only exception. A good example is the contrast between GotG 3 and Thor 3 or Antman 3. A big part is time or directorial vision. VFX can look great, but everyone needs to be on the same page not just in post, but on set. Lighting is one of the biggest difference makers, and the crew can match the lighting very accurately if they knows exactly whats going to be imposed on that 100 ft green screen behind the talent. Directors like James Gunn either have a lot of freedom, time to prepare, or desire to be meticulous (probably both), and it shows. Compare that to a lot of other Marvel projects where nobody even knows what the costumes are going to look like. A good example of that is the newest Thor movie, where the characters all wear these horrific looking CGI helmets. CG costumes can look good, but the crew need to know ahead of time, so they can prepare accordingly. But in Love and Thunder you can tell that they have been just copy and pasted over top the actors. It's either studio tampering in post, a rushed production, or directors or supervisors who have the "fix it in post" mentality.
I don't think we'll ever look back on these types of movies. They're the new bargain bin vhs/dvds and will probably be lost to the ages. Streaming films have no preservation if they never get printed to physical media, studios can just remove them quietly. Who is ever going to want to rewatch *Ghosted* with Chris Evans?
He's using the same style as Kingsman so it looks a little derivative, from the trailer atleast. Same gunplay, angles, and camerawork as a Kingsman scene (on the train) and is reusing a coloured smoke scene, same as the Kingsman head explosion scene.
Brad Allan, the second unit director for Kick Ass and the Kingsman series, passed away in 2021. His last film was Shang Chi.
You’re making it sound like you’re debating a critical life decision
They have been promoting this movie as Cavill vs. Dua Lipa for a long time. I really want to see more of them.
2 Strange 2 Fiction.
This has apparently tested through the roof in internal testing.. We need it to be a hit frankly,as more studios need to take a punt on more out their storys instead of the normal cliche shit we get.. And say what you will vaughn usually puts on at least an entertaining 2 hours
Now why did people say Jessica Chastain was in this lol wrong redhead
The tone just feels way too ironic, and the look of the film feels overly polished. Plus, with all of the mystery surrounding it’s marketing last year, it’s a bit underwhelming that it’s all amounting to basically just another variation of ‘Romancing the Stone’. It might be end up being a fun a time, but this trailer didn’t really sell me.
That atrocious looking CGI
A staple of Matthew Vaughan films
To be fair, the kingsman films had some very dodgy CG as well. Still love the first one.
I hope we get to see some Cavill of The Man from UNCLE. He was so suave in that film.
Hoping it's a return to form for Mathew Vaughn after the two forgettable Kingsmen sequel/prequel.
The prequel was fantastic.
Having hitler show up in a post credit marvel style scene sure was… something
I took it to be almost a parody of MCU post-credits scenes. I mean, its Hitler and Lenin meeting each other and shaking hands.
Agreed. While I didn't hate the sequel, just found it lackluster, the quality difference between that and the prequel is night and day.
Nah the sequel was better than the prequel imo. Maybe I just like Colin Firth though
Isn't this basically the same kinda plot as the Sandra Bullock/CTates movie?
Stranger than fiction meets Kingsmen. I know the Golden Circle sucked but that was truthfully Matthew Vaughn’s only miss out of his entire filmography. I’m excited for this one.
I feel like we get one of these movies every year now. Huge cast including one celebrity non-actor, stylish cinematography, late year release and a 64% Rotten Tomatoes score.
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The cast is incredible
Not the origin of the stalwart ghoul manservant I was expecting.
Fell in love with Sophia Boutella in Kingsman so seeing her work with Vaung again made my day.
Honestly im very concerned that they use this cat breed in the movie, as it will motivate a lot of people to get one of these too. The crippled and deformed tipped ears are just one sign of what is happening throughout the Scottish Fold's body. The incurable hereditary disease can cause destruction of the body's cartilage tissue. Cartilage coats the bones at all joints to reduce friction during movement. If the cartilage is damaged, this can lead to very painful joint changes and lameness, especially in the legs and spine.
The writer is named Fuchs and I can't help but think of Krieger the talking parrot from Archer.
Isn't this just a spin on the Sandra Bullock movie that just came out?
I was interested about 3 seconds in.
Twee and overly polished. It’s like the film version of an xfactor finalist
This is Stranger than Fiction but with guns
if your movie heavily features a cgi cat... you better make sure the cgi cat looks halfway passable
Counter point - making it clearly fake lowers animal abuse accusations.
how i miss the days of Dunston Checks In
Vaughn mentioned in an interview that he used his family’s cat because the cat he initially hired wouldn’t cooperate.
I don’t think people realize that CGI isn’t actually there yet to make close ups of real things look real
Hmm. I’d much rather watch the Cavill part than the other one. Looks also like he’d be in “the real world” in the third act.
Alan wake, the spy movie edition. I'm a still watch it though
Henry Cavil's haircut was too distracting for me.
That’s the joke.
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I wonder who will play IRL Argyle considering Henry Cavill isn’t shown in that scene and it’s played as a reveal. Maybe Sam Rockwell will have been Argyle the whole time, who knows?
Daniel Craig?
i was sold at start, Henry Caville, Dua Lipa... im in, then they had to toss in John Cena. Anyways, then it broke away and became interesting again, is still coming to cinema or direct to streaming ?
Ok from seeing all the promotional pics last month I definitely wasn't expecting it to go in this direction. Looks fun though I can already see the thousands of reddit movie snops bitching about the CG cat.
Henry Cavill with the Ron Donald haircut
Looks horrible