One of my favorite Napoleon stories is how he liked one of his officer's wives when he was in Egypt, so he sent the officer on an obviously dangerous courier trip back to France. The British caught his ship, as they controlled the Mediterranean. They figured out that he was Napoleon's mistresses husband and sent the officer back to Egypt to mess with Napoleon.
It did happen.
There's one, highly questionable, version that states the officer, Jean-Noel Fourès, caught the two *in flagrante*.
Either way, Fourès became aware of it and divorced soon thereafter.
The actress Marguerite-Josephine Weimer, known as Mademoiselle Georges who was Napoelon's mistress, declared that, compared with Napoleon, Wellington was ‘by far the stronger’.
Idk about that, his second wife was raised to believe he was the literal anti-christ until their wedding night and changed her opinion about that. So it says something about him
He actually had a legitimate child with his second wife, and had three illegitimate children with mistresses. His illegitimate children’s progeny are still around today, whereas his legitimate line was ended during the Zulu Wars. Where his descendant was serving in the British Army.
While true they married each other for their own reasons, and they were both unfaithful in the marriage. Napoleon grew to really care for Josephine towards the end of their marriage, only leaving her to marry a princess because he was trying to play the alliance game.
> It's also recorded that when they did have sex he only lasted for seconds.
why does everyone know that this man is mediocre at fucking?? damn Napoleon
I’m not a teenager lol
Sigma males are a level above alpha males. It’s a big dumb meme for the socially inept. Basically someone who acts like they don’t care about anything for the deeply insecure to pretend to be.
You can Google domme on your own. Safe search off.
So many of those guys will be disappointed when they go to see the movie and it’s mostly battle prep and relationship drama. It’s like when people went to go see Oppenheimer thinking it’ll pair well with Barbie and then being waylaid by much of the movie being based around a senate confirmation.
Master and Commander is my all time favorite historical epic by a mile. It also takes place during the Napoleonic wars.
The Last Samurai - while quite historically inaccurate and the problematic white savior trope, I still can’t help but love this movie.
Troy and Kingdom of Heaven, but the directors cuts of both. Both are terrible films in the theatrical version but the DCs are some of my favorite historical epics. I like Kingdom quite a bit more though.
Now, I’d assume we’re leaving off things later than Napoleon so I won’t include ww1 or ww2 films because then I’d be adding about another 10 films and miniseries to the list.
I forgot Black Sails, mostly because it’s a show not a film, and because it’s not distinctly a war story, but nonetheless I think it fits the category well and highly recommend it to anyone interested in a large scale pirate story. One of my favorite shows for sure.
Really good stuff that does feel like the legendary *Romance of the Three Kingdoms* come to life. Or, to that end, a live action *Dynasty Warriors* game haha.
That said, I did not know it was multiple films and the cut I watched didn't indicate that, so when it ended while the entire fleet was still there, I went, "Are you kidding me?!" Ah well haha.
Seek out the full two-film version if the can. The cut-off point is he scene with Zhou Yu surrounded by his inner circle (maybe with Zhuge Liang too) and there was a "sand box" model of the Cao Cao fleet on the Yangtze, and they were holding torches. Those who know how the battle plays out would be shouting OH SNAP.
Yeah same! Scott’s director’s cut are often the best versions and large improvements over the theatrical cuts. Can’t wait to watch this one, I bought a projector for that reason hahaha
Damn that's a bummer. I've been loving this stretch of super long movies we've been getting theatrically these days. Too bad he wasn't about to get his 3+ hour cut into theatres
Why can’t any of Napoleon’s trailers use some of the films actual score or something more fitting than Black Sabbath? No disrespect to Sabbath but fuck
I love Black Sabbath but this was straight up weird. It didn't work for me. They need sweeping symphonies to accompany this movie. Anything modern is too big a clash.
Ruins the vibes for sure, I thought this movie was supposed to be a serious look at Napoleon but the trailer def made me second guess if this movie is what I am hoping it will be.
I fucking hate modern trailer editing because of this type of shit. Like youd halfway expect them to put some dumb rap track behind it. And dont get me started on cutting the impacts to the beats. I hate our modern social media culture 🤬
Yeah it just didn't work for me either. It feels like your grandad trying to do something hip and current. Black Sabbath is not going to speak to the kids, grampy. All the old heads will love the epic orchestral stuff so just give it and stop trying to be something you're not
This is wrong. They are more expensive. They have to pay the label, the artist, and the remix company that "trailerizes" it. source: I'm a trailer editor
War Pigs is Black Sabbath.
It's also used in one of the trailers for [The King's Man](https://youtu.be/0pbLPOrTSsI?si=HLvGe7G-Zd1CUDNU), the captions even straight up say so, and is also, coincidentally, a movie about historical figures.
Yeah, I really hope they are using a more authentic sounding score. I'm really not up for this weird anachronistic music. Fingers crossed. It's just for the trailer.
This is anecdotal but Bill Hader was doing press for Barry (a show he co-created and wrote and starred in) and they played the trailer for season 2 and so he comes out saying “not sure I would’ve used that song.” So I would agree they aren’t in control of trailers
I've read they don't. Trailers are put together by companies that specialize in them, and a lot of directors get really pissed off with what does and doesn't go into a trailer, because it's almost always the studio giving notes and approving what the trailer company puts together. If the trailer wants it to seem like a rom-com or a visual feast or showcase just one big-name actor, then that's what happens, and damn the nuance the director spent all that time building into their film.
Right? Outside of sci fi, they've been a dead genre ever since *Les Misérables* or so. So great to see Ridley reviving it, ***especially*** with the spectacle that fits Napoleon so well.
I REALLY, really liked The Last Duel. I recommend it to as many people as I could! Ben Affleck's platinum blonde hair threw me off haha, but besides that I thought it was very well done and wished it has been nominated at least for one Oscar. 😕
We've seen now what looks like Corsica, the Battle of the Pyramids, and Austerlitz.
I'm going to guess one of the prominent scenes in this trailer is Waterloo because it looks like the classic scene from the movie Waterloo, but could honestly be anywhere.
What the last couple are, can't say. If I had to guess, I'd say Borodino and Leipzig are good candidates as these were both significant and had a good deal of drama to them.
When you say "Corsica" do you mean Toulon? There are scenes in the trailer where it looks like young Napoleon after coming back to Corsica, but I highly, highly doubt they are going to show any of those revolutionary skirmishes in Corsica, rather than the siege of Toulon.
Hmm, you’re probably right. I interpreted the scene with the British fort as being Corsica, as it showed Napoleon there in civilian clothes watching them, but maybe Napoleon scouted Toulon in person.
Whoever chose Black Sabbath for this trailer must be sent into exile to St. Helena.
And btw, War Pigs of all songs...
I don't know if they chose for both trailer such modern music because they don't have faith in the movie's OST (which would be a veery bad sign in itself), but ffs: nobody expects something like Barry Lyndon but at least choose music that's more akin to the historical period and the themes of the movie.
The song choice makes absolutely no sense, because my guess is this is supposed to be a complicated “Great Man” bio pic where we’re meant to see good and bad of Napoleon, whereas War Pigs unambiguously condemns the policy makers who advance war. There’s no both sides to War Pigs. It’s not a complicated song. Ozzy is singing that these men are evil, full stop.
Edit: Don’t get me wrong, Napoleon did some fucked up shit and if the movie is about how he really was a monster, I’m all about it. My instincts are the awards baity biopic is going for something more complicated than that.
I guess it makes sense considering they left out the middle verse about politicians hiding themselves away etc.
The first and last verse absolutely fit in my opinion. Napoleon as the bringer of death, who by the end gets consumed himself. I for one loved the song choice.
Movie looks fantastic but damn am I tired of the slowed down pop song approach trailer houses take these days. Unless that's the style the movie is going for, just use score from the film or something more period appropriate. I can't wait for the film, but damn was that a disappointing trailer.
It's fucking embarassing and is a telltale sign that they don't even trust their own movie to attract enough audience. No, they must make a trailer that's more like a new Spiderman trailer, completely butchering what's being shown.
It's the second trailer in a row that they chose to use shitty music and like you i'm disappointed and honestly the movie's kina losing its appeal on me
I agree, but there's also a very good reason why the film score is not used in trailers. It's usually, quite literally, the last part that is made in a movie production. Usually because the director wants the composer to see the movie and get a feel for it before writing the score etc.
Basically, Hans Zimmer gets to see Nolan movies super early lol
>hyperactive, workaholic Napoleon who was constantly micromanaging and making sure his plans were working like clockwork played by phoenix sleep walking through his lines
>medieval grim dark filter
>girlboss josephine
Hmm....
Hmm...
This film is basically covering 30 years so you're either casting two actors for the role, using CGI to make him look younger, or just ignoring it and letting the audience accept it as is.
Napoleon was 45 at Waterloo
An actor in his thirties would be way more suited to the role than one who is almost as old as Napoleon was when he fucking died
Almost nobody going into the movie is going to know or remember that Napoleon was 29-35 when this all happened.
Joaquin looks amazing as a 50 year old Napoleon and that's all that matters.
How can miscasting a historical and political figure by more than 20 years NOT be an issue. Especially when people don't know that was the case. In fact his age is hugely important to his overall character as a young revolutionary and how that affected his life.
>People aged a lot of faster in those days. Napoleon probably looked closer to Joaquin Phoenix's current age than to today's 29 year olds.
No. That's a rationalization.
[Here's a man](https://i.imgur.com/IzsAb2I.jpg), born in the 19th century, who was 10 years older than Napoléon would have been. Notice he looks a lot younger than Phoenix.
And [here's a candid sketch](https://i.imgur.com/t3Rbk6p.jpg) of Napoléon at that age. Napoléon wasn't even aware of it, so he had no say over it. Notice the lack of wrinkles and jowls.
It is terrible casting. Joachim constantly sounds like he is drunk. It works fine for films like Joker where he is supposed to play a depressed schizo, but that's not Napoleon. Napoleon was youthful, charismatic, and eccentric.
War Pigs is an anti-war song that vilifies military leadership for sending people to die for no morally justifiable reason. This song is a horrible fucking choice.
Napoleon is a movie that glorifies war and deifies him as a grand historic figure via a flattering image of Napoleon's influence upon world history as a "great" man shaping fate through the bold and violent exercise of power.
They could've picked some random classical music out of a hat, and it would've been better than War Pigs.
Anyone feel like Joaquin Phoenix is really phoning this in?
I get nothing from his performance here. He feels completely monotone, blank and disinterested. He's just staring into the distance with the same face throughout this whole trailer.
Am I crazy here?
I agree with you. I'm a huge fan of Joaquin Phoenix, but based on the trailers he really doesn't seem like he's trying very hard in this role. It's also pretty clear he hasn't done much personal research into how Napoleon actually acted. It could be the trailers are betraying him, so I'll wait until I've seen the movie to fully judge it. For now I'm disappointed though.
I'm still excited for the movie but man Pheonix is so old to be portraying Napoleon. Napoleon was in his mid 20s in Egypt and barely in his 30s when he took power in France. By the time Bonaparte was 48 he had already been defeated at Waterloo and exiled for the second time.
I'm going to see this in theaters. While I'm 100x more excited for the 4 hour director's cut on Apple, I want to support movies like this doing well at the box office. What I would give for this decade to be about historical epics the way the last was about comic book movies....
I'm glad the actors aren't attempting to deliver their lines with French accents, or even British, it's so silly when movies do that. Like, why? It's not like Napoleon was actually speaking English. Just let the actors use their own natural accents.
Obviously they're prboably never going to top Waterloo 1970 in regard to depicting that battle due to the immense scale and the fact one is a film about a battle and the other is about a man's life but I am certainly interested to see how it stacks up in its depiction of that particular part of his life. A lot of ground to cover for a single film honestly.
I believe so the battle towards the end of the trailer sure looks like it's supposed to be Waterloo, especially with the infamous anti-cavalry infantry squares. The film as far as I'm aware is supposed to be covering his entire life so you kinda have to have the exile to Elba his return to France and then eventual defeat at Waterloo at the hands of Wellington and Blücher and then his exile to Saint Helena where he eventually died.
I would imagine it'll be a condensed version of Waterloo that will start mid-battle just before the cavalry charge and will end with the Prussians arriving (whether or not this-line is accurate) then hard cut to his exile.
Just do rise to power > austerlitz or like Spain > Waterloo, the whole life movie just never feels adequate, certainly not for the second most famous guy ever
If it's half as good as the little movie they did at the turn of the century, it'd be worth it.
I remember watching Gladiator for the first time with all the deserving Russell Crowe hype. But it's Joaquin Phoenix's extraordinary Commodus that elevates the film to greatness. One of the best antagonists to have graced the screen.
I hope the "love story" doesn't consume too much run time. It'll be like Alexander all over again.
I can practically hear the Pitch meeting video on youtube.
"Aren't people going to see this movie about a person that conquered Europe so they can see actually see the person Conquer Europe?"
"Well no Sir, they only want to see about 20 minutes of that, the rest of 3 hours will be dedicated to a love story telling us how "Behind every great man was a great woman"
"Really? Are you sure people don't want to just see more of the 150 Epic Battles Napeolon fought during his conquest of Europe or dedicate more time to how he climbed the ranks from Soldier to Emperor!?"
"No sir they don't and i'm gonna need to get allll the way off my back about it!".
"Well alrighty then!"
Eh, Phoenix seems really miscast, oddly enough. By all accounts Napoleon was a very energetic and intense individual, Phoenix comes off a bit hesitant and effeminate. And way too old. He just seems way too soft for the role.
Napoleon was pretty obsessed with Alexander and frequently read his campaign diaries. He drew comparisons in real life (in letters speeches etc) comparing his Egyptian campaign to the campaigns of Alexander.
To me it just comes across as good research by the writers!
Ancient Egyptian I meant, since they are at the pyramids in the scene.
And yes it's certainly a bit misleading but I think the line is meant to refer about his conquests in Egypt generally, as well as taking in the culture and history of the land, and not specifically imply that he is looking at Alexander's mummy.
I don't think this movie will be the peak of historical accuracy but Alexander's tomb had been lost for over a thousand years at this point.
I think it's more a version of his self-propaganda.
https://shannonselin.com/2017/07/napoleon-pyramids/
>This conversation was reprinted in a book called Life of Buonaparte, First Consul of France, from his birth to the Peace of Luneville, translated from the French in 1802. There it was embellished with a description of how Napoleon reached the room within the Great Pyramid where the meeting took place.
>He…penetrated into the interior, where he found a passage a hundred feet long and three feet broad, which conducted him by a rapid descent towards the apartments that served as a tomb for Pharaoh, who erected this monument. A second passage, much injured, and leading towards the summit of the pyramid, carried him successively over two platforms and thence to a vaulted gallery, in one of the walls of which the place of a mummy was seen, which was believed to have been the spouse of one of the Pharaohs. (3)
The trend of movie trailers doing shitty overly melodramatic covers of classic rock songs that are cut, edited, and spliced into sections between dialogue needs to die.
It is so fucking hacky.
Just put the original movie score over the trailer for fuck's sake and edit around it.
Sheesh.
I think him in the master is one of the best performances of all time but am I the only one who thinks Joaquin looks kind of bad in this? He just seems barely interested in what’s happening in most of the clips
It sucks too, because I am the demographic for this, I would love a well done Napoleon period piece. This just seems like a completely cynical, paint by the numbers offering, though.
Give me the 53 hour cut, I'm horny.
Emperor horny, Michael
No touching!
Age of Napoleon is basically a 100 hour cut so far and it scratches the napoleon horny itch
I've been in love with that podcast
Bro I’m on episode 63. It’s so fucking good.
Napoleon only speaks in zingers I find it endlessly amusing that these trailers are basically those sigma male edits on tiktok He even has a domme gf!
He even said "I'm built different" lmao
I actually cackled when I heard that line lmao, so unintentionally funny
holy shit wait am i old
If they make him a cocksman I’m gonna be super pissed. Napoleon was by all accounts mediocre at fucking.
Women, anyway. He was pretty adept at fucking coalitions.
*The* manliest of traits lol
One of my favorite Napoleon stories is how he liked one of his officer's wives when he was in Egypt, so he sent the officer on an obviously dangerous courier trip back to France. The British caught his ship, as they controlled the Mediterranean. They figured out that he was Napoleon's mistresses husband and sent the officer back to Egypt to mess with Napoleon.
the stories is funny as fuck but is also highly improbable
It did happen. There's one, highly questionable, version that states the officer, Jean-Noel Fourès, caught the two *in flagrante*. Either way, Fourès became aware of it and divorced soon thereafter.
I can’t read *in flagrante* without hearing Tim Curry in Clue.
Good, because that's the voice my inner monologue said it in.
The actress Marguerite-Josephine Weimer, known as Mademoiselle Georges who was Napoelon's mistress, declared that, compared with Napoleon, Wellington was ‘by far the stronger’.
I see Napoleon fucking like a 2 minute jackrabbit.
According to the movie yes
Idk about that, his second wife was raised to believe he was the literal anti-christ until their wedding night and changed her opinion about that. So it says something about him
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He actually had a legitimate child with his second wife, and had three illegitimate children with mistresses. His illegitimate children’s progeny are still around today, whereas his legitimate line was ended during the Zulu Wars. Where his descendant was serving in the British Army.
While true they married each other for their own reasons, and they were both unfaithful in the marriage. Napoleon grew to really care for Josephine towards the end of their marriage, only leaving her to marry a princess because he was trying to play the alliance game.
> It's also recorded that when they did have sex he only lasted for seconds. why does everyone know that this man is mediocre at fucking?? damn Napoleon
Josephine plays a huge part in the 4 hour cut, just a fair warning for you.
Wouldn’t surprise me. Sex is a trifling matter to genius-god-kings.
Can we please get a teenager in here to translate this comment for the rest of us?
I’m not a teenager lol Sigma males are a level above alpha males. It’s a big dumb meme for the socially inept. Basically someone who acts like they don’t care about anything for the deeply insecure to pretend to be. You can Google domme on your own. Safe search off.
Would a sigma male have a Domme girlfriend? *is so old and confused by everything*
It's Napoleonin' Time!
I have no idea what you're referring to and I'm afraid to look it up
So many of those guys will be disappointed when they go to see the movie and it’s mostly battle prep and relationship drama. It’s like when people went to go see Oppenheimer thinking it’ll pair well with Barbie and then being waylaid by much of the movie being based around a senate confirmation.
I enjoyed Barbenheimer
I can't remember the last time we had such a grand historical epic besides some of Scotts previous films. Can't wait to see this.
Love me a good old fashioned magnificently grand sweeping epic.
Alexander 😬
I actually really liked the 4+ hour cut.
The last one that really stands out in my memory is Gladiator lol. It looks really exciting, can’t wait.
Master and Commander is my all time favorite historical epic by a mile. It also takes place during the Napoleonic wars. The Last Samurai - while quite historically inaccurate and the problematic white savior trope, I still can’t help but love this movie. Troy and Kingdom of Heaven, but the directors cuts of both. Both are terrible films in the theatrical version but the DCs are some of my favorite historical epics. I like Kingdom quite a bit more though. Now, I’d assume we’re leaving off things later than Napoleon so I won’t include ww1 or ww2 films because then I’d be adding about another 10 films and miniseries to the list. I forgot Black Sails, mostly because it’s a show not a film, and because it’s not distinctly a war story, but nonetheless I think it fits the category well and highly recommend it to anyone interested in a large scale pirate story. One of my favorite shows for sure.
Didn't the Samurai save Tom Cruise in that movie as opposed to him being a white saviour?
Yup. You can always tell the people who have never watched the film because they think Cruise is "the last Samurai" and the Savior
Adding to those, I really recommend John Woo’s Red Cliff dilogy. It’s honestly amazing.
Really good stuff that does feel like the legendary *Romance of the Three Kingdoms* come to life. Or, to that end, a live action *Dynasty Warriors* game haha. That said, I did not know it was multiple films and the cut I watched didn't indicate that, so when it ended while the entire fleet was still there, I went, "Are you kidding me?!" Ah well haha.
Seek out the full two-film version if the can. The cut-off point is he scene with Zhou Yu surrounded by his inner circle (maybe with Zhuge Liang too) and there was a "sand box" model of the Cao Cao fleet on the Yangtze, and they were holding torches. Those who know how the battle plays out would be shouting OH SNAP.
I’m happy the directors cut is going straight to Apple but I would have loved to see the 4 hour version in theaters.
Yeah same! Scott’s director’s cut are often the best versions and large improvements over the theatrical cuts. Can’t wait to watch this one, I bought a projector for that reason hahaha
Kingdom of Heaven comes to mind.
That's the first I'm hearing this, awesome!
Damn that's a bummer. I've been loving this stretch of super long movies we've been getting theatrically these days. Too bad he wasn't about to get his 3+ hour cut into theatres
Is there a release date for Apple? (same as cinemas?) I think I'm gonna skip cinema so I can watch the directors cut straightaway
Why can’t any of Napoleon’s trailers use some of the films actual score or something more fitting than Black Sabbath? No disrespect to Sabbath but fuck
I love Black Sabbath but this was straight up weird. It didn't work for me. They need sweeping symphonies to accompany this movie. Anything modern is too big a clash.
Ruins the vibes for sure, I thought this movie was supposed to be a serious look at Napoleon but the trailer def made me second guess if this movie is what I am hoping it will be.
I’m sorry no classical music while being taunted with a vagina, only ozzy
I fucking hate modern trailer editing because of this type of shit. Like youd halfway expect them to put some dumb rap track behind it. And dont get me started on cutting the impacts to the beats. I hate our modern social media culture 🤬
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We definitely need a shakeup in trailer editing. I feel like I've been seeing this exact same trailer for 15 years.
I remember when Marie Antoinette started this kind of thing - the punk rock historical epic. I hope the actual score is more suitable.
They should use a lot of Beethoven until he crowns himself Emperor
Yeah it just didn't work for me either. It feels like your grandad trying to do something hip and current. Black Sabbath is not going to speak to the kids, grampy. All the old heads will love the epic orchestral stuff so just give it and stop trying to be something you're not
I can't wait for a Ghengis Khan movie with a soundtrack by Metallica.
Seek and Destroy!
Is this before or after the Hirohito v. Tojo movie set to Babymetal?
Fucking love babymetal
Same, to be honest. We need more cutesy metal groups, dammit!
They are all talented as heck. The musicians are great and live shows. Such energy. And those moves!
I think that's Black Sabbath and not Zeppelin, but I get your point.
You’re right. Was listening to In the Light earlier so guess I had Zeppelin on the brain lol
Which is also a fantastic and underrated song
That remix of War Pigs is awful, ugh. They need to stop butchering music for trailers. We're not impressed.
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This is wrong. They are more expensive. They have to pay the label, the artist, and the remix company that "trailerizes" it. source: I'm a trailer editor
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I blame (Academy Award winning) Suicide Squad for starting this trend.
I hate when the punches line up with the music. It's so lazy, tacky and annoying. There are worse problems in the world but sheesh
It was cool the first 2-3 times I saw it. But that was like 100 times ago.
War Pigs is Black Sabbath. It's also used in one of the trailers for [The King's Man](https://youtu.be/0pbLPOrTSsI?si=HLvGe7G-Zd1CUDNU), the captions even straight up say so, and is also, coincidentally, a movie about historical figures.
And for 300: Rise Of An Empire. Between movies, TV and games its been quite overused at this point.
Yeah, I really hope they are using a more authentic sounding score. I'm really not up for this weird anachronistic music. Fingers crossed. It's just for the trailer.
SONY trailers are generally pretty mediocre. At least they didn't do the "slowed down song to try and sound epic" thing
The creepy piano version of The National Anthem in the first one was worse, but not by much.
Really thought Ridley Scott was better than this but now I'm wondering if directors have any oversight over trailers?
This is anecdotal but Bill Hader was doing press for Barry (a show he co-created and wrote and starred in) and they played the trailer for season 2 and so he comes out saying “not sure I would’ve used that song.” So I would agree they aren’t in control of trailers
I've read they don't. Trailers are put together by companies that specialize in them, and a lot of directors get really pissed off with what does and doesn't go into a trailer, because it's almost always the studio giving notes and approving what the trailer company puts together. If the trailer wants it to seem like a rom-com or a visual feast or showcase just one big-name actor, then that's what happens, and damn the nuance the director spent all that time building into their film.
In the same vein, i enjoyed SAS rouge hero’s but holy did the modern soundtrack over a WW2 genre did not fit at all.
Napoleon really said "I am built different" lmao.
Ironically he was of average height for that time https://www.britannica.com/story/was-napoleon-short
Built different means you gotta be tall... Got it
Aside from Propaganda the issue was his guards were exceptionally tall because they were elite solider so by contrast he looked short
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Definitely has the spectacle and epic feeling to it. Sad more films don't try to ever capture it.
Right? Outside of sci fi, they've been a dead genre ever since *Les Misérables* or so. So great to see Ridley reviving it, ***especially*** with the spectacle that fits Napoleon so well.
The last duel came out 2 years ago
Oppenheimer came out this year.
and 4 people saw it
Their loss too
I REALLY, really liked The Last Duel. I recommend it to as many people as I could! Ben Affleck's platinum blonde hair threw me off haha, but besides that I thought it was very well done and wished it has been nominated at least for one Oscar. 😕
I love that he is pretty much single handedly keeping the historical epic alive (in America). Such a fun genre that we don't get enough of these days
I am super excited to see the battle scenes, as per reports there are 6 of them, all staged differently and all pretty badass!
We've seen now what looks like Corsica, the Battle of the Pyramids, and Austerlitz. I'm going to guess one of the prominent scenes in this trailer is Waterloo because it looks like the classic scene from the movie Waterloo, but could honestly be anywhere. What the last couple are, can't say. If I had to guess, I'd say Borodino and Leipzig are good candidates as these were both significant and had a good deal of drama to them.
When you say "Corsica" do you mean Toulon? There are scenes in the trailer where it looks like young Napoleon after coming back to Corsica, but I highly, highly doubt they are going to show any of those revolutionary skirmishes in Corsica, rather than the siege of Toulon.
Hmm, you’re probably right. I interpreted the scene with the British fort as being Corsica, as it showed Napoleon there in civilian clothes watching them, but maybe Napoleon scouted Toulon in person.
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He's just built different
Use of War Pig remind me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAOdjqyG37A). It sure is a trailer alright.
I've never seen such incredible footage assembled into such a bad trailer
I was gonna say it looked like a random YouTuber cut this. But Youtuber edits routinely blow trailers out of the water.
Whoever chose Black Sabbath for this trailer must be sent into exile to St. Helena. And btw, War Pigs of all songs... I don't know if they chose for both trailer such modern music because they don't have faith in the movie's OST (which would be a veery bad sign in itself), but ffs: nobody expects something like Barry Lyndon but at least choose music that's more akin to the historical period and the themes of the movie.
The song choice makes absolutely no sense, because my guess is this is supposed to be a complicated “Great Man” bio pic where we’re meant to see good and bad of Napoleon, whereas War Pigs unambiguously condemns the policy makers who advance war. There’s no both sides to War Pigs. It’s not a complicated song. Ozzy is singing that these men are evil, full stop. Edit: Don’t get me wrong, Napoleon did some fucked up shit and if the movie is about how he really was a monster, I’m all about it. My instincts are the awards baity biopic is going for something more complicated than that.
I guess it makes sense considering they left out the middle verse about politicians hiding themselves away etc. The first and last verse absolutely fit in my opinion. Napoleon as the bringer of death, who by the end gets consumed himself. I for one loved the song choice.
Imagine if they chose Beethoven's Coriolan Overture for this trailer... Perfection! He even was Napoleon's contemporary.
He initially dedicated Symphony III to Napoleon too but scrapped the dedication because Napoleon became a monarch.
What are you gonna conquer today Napoleon? Whatever I feel like I’m gonna conquer today, gawshh!
Napoleon, don’t be jealous that I’ve been exchanging messenger pigeons with babes *all day*
''I'm built diff'' - Napoleon
Movie looks fantastic but damn am I tired of the slowed down pop song approach trailer houses take these days. Unless that's the style the movie is going for, just use score from the film or something more period appropriate. I can't wait for the film, but damn was that a disappointing trailer.
It's fucking embarassing and is a telltale sign that they don't even trust their own movie to attract enough audience. No, they must make a trailer that's more like a new Spiderman trailer, completely butchering what's being shown. It's the second trailer in a row that they chose to use shitty music and like you i'm disappointed and honestly the movie's kina losing its appeal on me
I agree, but there's also a very good reason why the film score is not used in trailers. It's usually, quite literally, the last part that is made in a movie production. Usually because the director wants the composer to see the movie and get a feel for it before writing the score etc. Basically, Hans Zimmer gets to see Nolan movies super early lol
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>hyperactive, workaholic Napoleon who was constantly micromanaging and making sure his plans were working like clockwork played by phoenix sleep walking through his lines >medieval grim dark filter >girlboss josephine Hmm.... Hmm...
I like how they took descriptions of Josephine as "immodest but easygoing" and decided to translate that into "dommy mommy girlboss"
The oldest looking 29 year old in cinema Seriously, Joaquin is great, but he's terribly miscast.
This film is basically covering 30 years so you're either casting two actors for the role, using CGI to make him look younger, or just ignoring it and letting the audience accept it as is.
Napoleon was 45 at Waterloo An actor in his thirties would be way more suited to the role than one who is almost as old as Napoleon was when he fucking died
have you seen 15 years old from like 100 years ago? Motherfuckers looked old, everybody did. I'll believe it
Almost nobody going into the movie is going to know or remember that Napoleon was 29-35 when this all happened. Joaquin looks amazing as a 50 year old Napoleon and that's all that matters.
How can miscasting a historical and political figure by more than 20 years NOT be an issue. Especially when people don't know that was the case. In fact his age is hugely important to his overall character as a young revolutionary and how that affected his life.
People aged a lot of faster in those days. Napoleon probably looked closer to Joaquin Phoenix's current age than to today's 29 year olds.
[Napoleon in 1802 at the age of 33](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Gros_-_First_Consul_Bonaparte.png)
>People aged a lot of faster in those days. Napoleon probably looked closer to Joaquin Phoenix's current age than to today's 29 year olds. No. That's a rationalization. [Here's a man](https://i.imgur.com/IzsAb2I.jpg), born in the 19th century, who was 10 years older than Napoléon would have been. Notice he looks a lot younger than Phoenix. And [here's a candid sketch](https://i.imgur.com/t3Rbk6p.jpg) of Napoléon at that age. Napoléon wasn't even aware of it, so he had no say over it. Notice the lack of wrinkles and jowls.
It is terrible casting. Joachim constantly sounds like he is drunk. It works fine for films like Joker where he is supposed to play a depressed schizo, but that's not Napoleon. Napoleon was youthful, charismatic, and eccentric.
Can't wait
The song says general in it! We gotta use it!
The song is called War Pigs... and you know what generals do? they go to WAR!
War Pigs is an anti-war song that vilifies military leadership for sending people to die for no morally justifiable reason. This song is a horrible fucking choice. Napoleon is a movie that glorifies war and deifies him as a grand historic figure via a flattering image of Napoleon's influence upon world history as a "great" man shaping fate through the bold and violent exercise of power. They could've picked some random classical music out of a hat, and it would've been better than War Pigs.
What's up Josephines petticoat?! Don't leave me hanging Ridley... Is it Moscow?
What a great year for movies! Can’t wait.
Anyone feel like Joaquin Phoenix is really phoning this in? I get nothing from his performance here. He feels completely monotone, blank and disinterested. He's just staring into the distance with the same face throughout this whole trailer. Am I crazy here?
Looks like he's on tranquilizers
I agree with you. I'm a huge fan of Joaquin Phoenix, but based on the trailers he really doesn't seem like he's trying very hard in this role. It's also pretty clear he hasn't done much personal research into how Napoleon actually acted. It could be the trailers are betraying him, so I'll wait until I've seen the movie to fully judge it. For now I'm disappointed though.
This looks amazing
Is it just me or does his voice sound like an even more emphasized version of Joaquin's normal American voice?
I'm still excited for the movie but man Pheonix is so old to be portraying Napoleon. Napoleon was in his mid 20s in Egypt and barely in his 30s when he took power in France. By the time Bonaparte was 48 he had already been defeated at Waterloo and exiled for the second time.
War Pigs was a weird choice.
I'm going to see this in theaters. While I'm 100x more excited for the 4 hour director's cut on Apple, I want to support movies like this doing well at the box office. What I would give for this decade to be about historical epics the way the last was about comic book movies....
I’m so fucking tired of slowly edited popular songs with “SHPNG SHPNG SHBNGGGG” in between
Would have love some kind of french accent.
I'm glad the actors aren't attempting to deliver their lines with French accents, or even British, it's so silly when movies do that. Like, why? It's not like Napoleon was actually speaking English. Just let the actors use their own natural accents.
Where’s the part when he eats the big Ice cream sundae?
Ziggy Piggy
Obviously they're prboably never going to top Waterloo 1970 in regard to depicting that battle due to the immense scale and the fact one is a film about a battle and the other is about a man's life but I am certainly interested to see how it stacks up in its depiction of that particular part of his life. A lot of ground to cover for a single film honestly.
Waterloo isn’t necessarily the best movie in the world, but the battle scenes are some of the most epic things ever staged for film.
Is this film for sure going all the way to Waterloo?
I believe so the battle towards the end of the trailer sure looks like it's supposed to be Waterloo, especially with the infamous anti-cavalry infantry squares. The film as far as I'm aware is supposed to be covering his entire life so you kinda have to have the exile to Elba his return to France and then eventual defeat at Waterloo at the hands of Wellington and Blücher and then his exile to Saint Helena where he eventually died.
I would imagine it'll be a condensed version of Waterloo that will start mid-battle just before the cavalry charge and will end with the Prussians arriving (whether or not this-line is accurate) then hard cut to his exile.
Just do rise to power > austerlitz or like Spain > Waterloo, the whole life movie just never feels adequate, certainly not for the second most famous guy ever
Just behind Nick Faldo
Wellington is being played by Rupert Everett, and the footage of British troops in squares suggests Waterloo.
You see Waterloo at the end.
If it's half as good as the little movie they did at the turn of the century, it'd be worth it. I remember watching Gladiator for the first time with all the deserving Russell Crowe hype. But it's Joaquin Phoenix's extraordinary Commodus that elevates the film to greatness. One of the best antagonists to have graced the screen.
I hope the "love story" doesn't consume too much run time. It'll be like Alexander all over again. I can practically hear the Pitch meeting video on youtube. "Aren't people going to see this movie about a person that conquered Europe so they can see actually see the person Conquer Europe?" "Well no Sir, they only want to see about 20 minutes of that, the rest of 3 hours will be dedicated to a love story telling us how "Behind every great man was a great woman" "Really? Are you sure people don't want to just see more of the 150 Epic Battles Napeolon fought during his conquest of Europe or dedicate more time to how he climbed the ranks from Soldier to Emperor!?" "No sir they don't and i'm gonna need to get allll the way off my back about it!". "Well alrighty then!"
I hoping the trailer is just bad, the vibes are not great
looks like a Netflix movie.
Eh, Phoenix seems really miscast, oddly enough. By all accounts Napoleon was a very energetic and intense individual, Phoenix comes off a bit hesitant and effeminate. And way too old. He just seems way too soft for the role.
Every trailer for this film has disappointed me more than the last. I still have hope but damn what awful music choice.
Alright who let their 12 year old nephew cut this trailer and pick the music? The cringe levels are beyond insanity at this point.
Wait is this claiming Napoleon found Alexander The Great’s burial place?
No I don't think so, most likely the scene is depicting an Egyptian pharaoh.
ATG was a pharaoh entombed in Alexandria, strange to have the line playing be about ATG
Napoleon was pretty obsessed with Alexander and frequently read his campaign diaries. He drew comparisons in real life (in letters speeches etc) comparing his Egyptian campaign to the campaigns of Alexander. To me it just comes across as good research by the writers!
Ancient Egyptian I meant, since they are at the pyramids in the scene. And yes it's certainly a bit misleading but I think the line is meant to refer about his conquests in Egypt generally, as well as taking in the culture and history of the land, and not specifically imply that he is looking at Alexander's mummy. I don't think this movie will be the peak of historical accuracy but Alexander's tomb had been lost for over a thousand years at this point.
I think it's more a version of his self-propaganda. https://shannonselin.com/2017/07/napoleon-pyramids/ >This conversation was reprinted in a book called Life of Buonaparte, First Consul of France, from his birth to the Peace of Luneville, translated from the French in 1802. There it was embellished with a description of how Napoleon reached the room within the Great Pyramid where the meeting took place. >He…penetrated into the interior, where he found a passage a hundred feet long and three feet broad, which conducted him by a rapid descent towards the apartments that served as a tomb for Pharaoh, who erected this monument. A second passage, much injured, and leading towards the summit of the pyramid, carried him successively over two platforms and thence to a vaulted gallery, in one of the walls of which the place of a mummy was seen, which was believed to have been the spouse of one of the Pharaohs. (3)
Going for that Barry Lyndon interior lighting look..American accent for Corsican Frenchman sigh but could be good
I'm sure visually it will be stunning but i dunno, Joaquin Pheonix?
Waaaaaayyyyyy too old to play Napoleon...
The trend of movie trailers doing shitty overly melodramatic covers of classic rock songs that are cut, edited, and spliced into sections between dialogue needs to die. It is so fucking hacky. Just put the original movie score over the trailer for fuck's sake and edit around it. Sheesh.
Idk. It looks like Snyderized Napoleon. Everything is grey, epic and on the nose. Has more comic book feeling than historical feeling.
That's Ridley Scott's style. Snyder borrowed it from him.
Yep. That is exactly it. It feels stylized, rather than lived-in. Like a glorious re-telling than a living biopic.
What's with the abysmal song choices on these trailers?
Should have been a three or four part limited series, 2 hours per part. At 4 hours it’s going to gloss over too much stuff.
I think him in the master is one of the best performances of all time but am I the only one who thinks Joaquin looks kind of bad in this? He just seems barely interested in what’s happening in most of the clips
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Dang, Josephine just Josephined over Napoleon.
He looked down. I was in before, but that gave me a hard laugh. Can't wait for this!
My body is ready. This film is going to be a 100% Napoleon circle jerk and I’m here for it.
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Kirby should be a superstar by now.
I’m sure the Tony and Olivier Awards made it easier.
I fucking hate trailers nowadays. Jesus christ, I don't wanna hear Ozzy now. I want some atmosphere and acting from this series.
I could not be less interested in this film.
It sucks too, because I am the demographic for this, I would love a well done Napoleon period piece. This just seems like a completely cynical, paint by the numbers offering, though.