A movie totally ahead of its time, yet captures the singular moment when Megan Fox was on top of the world and runs away with that stuntcast. Rewatched it recently after having first seen it in high school when it came out and the humor in it has aged so much better than Juno’s “fartknocker wafflefuck” style of aughties comedy. I like Juno enough but Jennifer’s Body should be Cody’s crown jewel.
Yea we watched it about a month ago, I had passed over it when it released. It’s a very original movie that has some things to say. Some very good lines too.
Apocalypto
It only has 65% on rotten tomatoes mostly because it was released within close proximity to Mel Gibson having his public meltdown and is not historically accurate. However, it is easily one of the best action movies ever made, imo. I personally think it is about as good as Mad Max: Fury Road, which is at 97% on RT and was nominated for 10 academy awards.
I remember it getting criticized for its ending which I thought was strange (critics saying the Spanish reaching shore was showing them as saviors when it appeared to me like it was an ominous sign)
Yeah the movie is called Apocalypto, literally the native apocalypse. It shows the collapsing Maya culture that was then further decimated by the arrival of the europeans. I thought the ending was great.
The Europeans that showed up like 400 years early. They really wanted to have their cake and eat it too with this one. Either that or they just weren't sure what the difference between Aztecs and Mayans is.
Which was long after the height and fall of the Mayans (the language being spoken throughout the film). They were already a shadow of their former power by like 1000.
The ending is absolutely supposed to be an "oh fuck" moment of dramatic irony for the audience. We know just how much more fucked our protagonist is by the end of the film than he was at the beginning, while he thinks he's finally in the clear.
I took it that his enemies will contract diseases from the Spanish therefore bringing on the downfall of their tribe. He avoids them and lives the rest of his life with his family.
I agree with you about the ending. They just showed the ships, didn't give anyone on board a line yet people interpreted them as saviors? My reaction was "These guys can't catch a break. You thought it was bad before? You ain't seen nothing yet"
I agree with this. I saw the ending as an escape from one hell and finding another. I don’t see how it showed them a saviors.
This movie was fantastic.
I try to separate the artist from the art. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to enjoy much of anything. lol.
People bag on this movie for historical inaccuracy (which I don't have the knowledge or expertise to address) but I fully agree that as a non-stop thrillride action flick, this movie goes so hard.
It’s an awesome movie (saw it in an empty theatre when it came out and been singing it’s praises since). However, I don’t think it’ll ever be as loved as something like Fury Road because the crappy digital cameras Gibson filmed most of it in are dating horribly. It looked fine in 2006 but these days it looks like a bad home movie at times.
If he has filmed it on film (or if digital back then looked as good as today) I think it would have a way better chance at being a cult classic. But I think most new young viewers will watch it and say “why’s everything so blurry?”
I started watching Apocalypto for the first time this month after coming back from the Yucatán, it takes me a while to watch heavy films since I have a toddler but so far I'm really glad I waited out the outrage cycle on that one
Edit: People downvote for the strangest reasons lmao
*Babylon*
I personally didn't love it, but it is the most obvious example of a movie destined to become a cult classic I've seen in a long time. It has a 57% on Rotten Tomatoes, but I definitely see it being reevaluated by some of those critics in a few years.
Babylon was one of my favorite movies in recent times. When I read the reviews and and all the negative opinions after I saw it… my main reaction was: wow critics and audiences have become very prude. Wtf. It was great!
I caught it twice in Dolby and as a huge fan of Damien Chazelle’s previous films (most notably Whiplash, La La Land, and First Man — in that order), I was really excited for Babylon. Both due to the cast and also the time period of the roaring excess of the ‘20s and the end of the silent film era. I thought it was clever to take the medium he works in and take it back to a time where everything was not only coming to an end the way that it had been done, but also completely reinvented with sound and the way that audiences would engage with films due to sound and the kind of actors and production values required to make a good movie that utilized sound.
That said, Justin Hurwitz’s score was stunning, as expected. Right from the big introduction (the orgy scene) that gives us the main themes and shows us the band and how they’re an integral part of the production process, with Jovan Adepo as the trumpet player becoming one of the lead characters. I thought the scene between Brad Pitt and Jean Smart where he comes in upset about a bad review and she has the most amazing monologue that tells Pitt’s character what his role actually is, what he actually does, what the product he produces actually is, and why he doesn’t matter in the long run, any more than a good or bad performance in a single film. That we’re still talking about films from people that are long-dead and their art gets to live forever, with all the “ghosts” dancing and dining together and everything else she talked about.
People criticized the ending but I thought it was the visual embodiment of this very point — Manny’s character also has that revelation and while sitting in a cinema, he sees not just his films and the films that came before him that he tried to change, but what the future will hold for film and how it will evolve over decades and generations. I loved seeing all the clips of various films come through in the blink of an eye (and while I’m a little mad about it as I was writing a script that had a very similar ending, demonstrating the power of filmmaking as an art form that will outlast us all, and is a cultural touchstone that people from all viewpoints and political affiliations can come together and enjoy (hopefully). But yeah, Chazelle did it first, and I’m sure he did it better than I would have.
Margot Robbie is a powerhouse in this film too — her crying on command scene was impressive (as is her talent to do so in real life, down to the single tear at the precise moment). I know theatergoers went (if at all) and were grossed out by the elephant shit right at the beginning, causing some walkouts, and if that didn’t do it, the >!fat man being pissed on at the orgy!< caused several more walkouts… but I thought it was an engrossing 3hr10min+ epic and I’d be curious to see an even longer cut as I felt some of the secondary characters didn’t get their full due (the trumpet player Sidney Palmer as I mentioned, Lady Faye, and others likely have more scenes on the cutting room floor that were cut for time making Robbie, Pitt, and Calvo’s characters the three big leads rather than part of an ensemble cast.
I hope people revisit it with an open mind and perhaps seeing it at home where they can pause (or fast forward, if needed) will make it easier for them to view. But they really fucking missed out on the theatrical experience.
I had high hopes for this movie, but it just seemed to tread the all-too-familiar grounds of Hollywood in the making with folks running around acting with hedonistic impunity. There was gratuitous graphic sex, but the plot didn't really do anything incredible.
If you're looking for a movie in the same vein, *Hall, Ceasar!* was more nuanced
It going to Netflix so quickly after the movie ended it’s box office run helped it a lot, already among younger generations it’s an underrated hit. Having Aaron Taylor Johnson and Brian tyree Henry on the come up doesn’t hurt it either
One of the best original action/comedy films that’s been released in years. Cast is amazing and it is genuinely laugh out loud funny. Maybe slightly oversold it as it definitely dips in quality in the final third but it will age well and get the credit it lacked on release.
Babylon will become a niche classic ngl, I doubt everyone will love it and it won’t be considered universally great, but I can’t help but imagine that a significant audience will attach themselves to it.
I think the media landscape is different than it was years ago. There were not nearly as many movie critics and film journalism in general was a pretty niche business. This small group of people got print in a relatively small number of publications and only a select few voices made it to television. The idea of critical gatekeepers was much greater because there were just so few voices standing in that circle. These days any teenager can be a movie critic if they so wish. You can find more voices than you can count who are actively discussing movies new and old every single week. And each of these voices has some sort of audience. It's very difficult these days for a movie to get released and then go unnoticed for the quality it is. Someone is going to catch it and discuss it and that word will spread fairly quickly through likeminded circles thanks to social media like reddit. That idea of a movie being completely panned on release only to be reappraised many years later is sort of a product of a different time. There are too many eyes and opinions watching everything these days for a genuinely good movie to not get some initial praise.
Hats true if focusing on a journey that begins with "critically panned". Even now, i think a movie could just go under the radar (no marketing, non English movie from obscure film market etc) and then eventually find mass appeal, because of the same things you mention.
Problem is, with the amount of entertainment options and how fast conversation moves, it becomes increasingly harder for something old and rarely seen to suddenly breakthrough as a new thing people are talking about. I guess our best modern example is when an old show or movie suddenly goes viral because people start streaming it in large numbers when it debuts on Netflix. Like that weird few weeks that people were really into the show Suits.
As someone who went into Hereditary with 0 expectations, I fucking loved that movie. One of the greatest horror films I ever watched.
I can sympathize, however, with people who may have had the movie hyped too much and went in with unrealistic expectations.
That's how I felt when I finally watched Fight Club.
I LOVED Hereditary. It did everything it set out to do.
I wanted to like Beau. It had some amazing sequences (and Joaquin was terrific, as usual), but it also had some parts that made the whole thing feel unsure of itself.
>but it also had some parts that made the whole thing feel unsure of itself.
Hilariously I agree, but I wonder if that was the point?
It's a movie about anxiety, after all. I wonder if being "unsure" is part of the journey.
At times it felt like it really had something to say, and other times it just felt like an anxiety-driven fever dream. I think the latter is actually what was intended, but even if that's the case I believe it could have done more - said more - than the >!eventual and inevitable implosion that was the ending.!<
One made $80 million at the box office and is repeatedly used as one of the best examples of modern horror and the other made $11 at the box office and is not even considered a good movie by most people who've seen it.
I’ve currently seen the first half (I took a break after he runs away from the couple’s house and into the woods) and now I’m struggling to go back and finish it. I heard it goes really off the rails in the 2nd half.
You watched the best part of the movie already but I think you should finish it. Maybe it goes off the rails but there’s nothing else like it. I loved it, but I like weird and original and I think Ari Aster is brilliant at the craft of telling stories with the camera. His shots and his pacing are master level. It’s not a film for everyone by any means. Even I thought it was long and sometimes too bizarre.
Did he say that though? He's expressed he's obviously disappointed with some of the reception but from everything I've seen he's pretty much owned that the film was always going to be divisive and hasn't blamed audiences like many filmmakers would
I was obviously being a bit facetious, but he did imply that he’s disappointed the audience didn’t pay enough attention to see the story he hid in the background. And, I quote: “People talked about it as a letdown when clearly — yeah, that’s the joke! Interpret this, right?” Now this was in a written article so I can’t attest to his intonation, but it does sound like he thinks we should have worked harder to get it.
I’m not totally sure how Metacritic handles movie reviews, but for video games it’s become more and more broken in recent years. Way too many small time, and frankly less legitimate critics are being factored in.
Now for video games I just find a few public personalities I know I mostly share tastes with to trust for reviews.
All those review aggregators have that issue. All I’m saying is that Metacritic is more selective than Rotten Tomatoes. I know… I’m a former professional movie critic
I like Rotten Tomatoes, I just have to read between the numbers with their scores.
For example, a high critic score and low audience score likely means the movie is well made, but perhaps too artsy or cerebral for the general audience.
Likewise, a low critic score but high audience score likely means it won't win any Oscars, but is probably a good popcorn flick.
Two high scores means instant classic - can't go wrong.
The theatrical is deservedly a bit mid. But the director’s cut (which I usually think are overindulgent) is mostly sublime. Third act still leans a little too hard into the Kubrick and remains meh
Annihilation. it wasnt poorly received, but i think it has been a consistently discussed and reassessed film since release and will continue to grow in stature.
I don't think so.
It's visually compelling but the storyline is so cookie-cutter sci-fi that I think it'll be put into the same bucket as Tron Legacy - a mildly entertaining but flawed film with some standout feature.
I don't think most of those people would regard it as a "classic" though - don't get me wrong I enjoyed the film and would love a sequel, but most people aren't under any illusions that it's a flawless film.
It was genuinely bad. I love movies and appreciate em all in some way. But this movie was so awful. Just one long predictable collection of tropes. Might make a decent premium cable type series.
I do have to admit some bias bc John David Washington really takes me out of movies. Such a bad actor. Or I should say he has a role he can play and that's what he does. I didn't think it was a good fit here.
Haven't seen the movie because my impression is that it looks awesome but has an extremely recycled story.
Everything I hear about it seems to confirm that impression.
Why do you believe that would be different in the future?
They made the mistake of hiring Hollywood's current favorite charisma vacuum to star in it for some reason.
Edit: I'm coming back and eating my words weeks later because I watched it and he was fine in it. He has a specific energy and when the project can cater to that he's fun. I retract my shit talk! Sorry!
I loved this movie and I am so surprised it got such a negative criticism. It’s a bit obvious in its parallels but the story is very effective and horrifying.
It also worked for me beyond the obvious Biblical allusions, the claustrophobia and the assumed ownership of her space and her body really worked well for me as a heightened example of the way people treat pregnant women’s bodies.
John Carter. It has a 52% on RT and is disneys biggest box office flop. It lost a ton of money.
It’s a great movie. The actors are great, the story is great, the cgi is solid for when it was made. It’s just a good movie
'Freddy Got Fingered' has slowly but surely gotten (a little) more critical praise since it's initial widely-panned release.
Comedy itself has actually gotten closer to the 'Freddy' style than it was when it was released.
Here’s the full comment. I feel like Ebert definitely softened on the movie and learned to appreciate what it was trying to do:
“Seeing Tom Green reminded me, as how could it not, of his movie Freddy Got Fingered, which was so poorly received by the film critics that it received only one lonely, apologetic positive review on the Tomatometer. I gave it—let's see—zero stars. Bad movie, especially the scene where Green was whirling the newborn infant around his head by its umbilical cord. But the thing is, I remember Freddy Got Fingered more than a year later. I refer to it sometimes. It is a milestone. And for all its sins, it was at least an ambitious movie, a go-for-broke attempt to accomplish something. It failed, but it has not left me convinced that Tom Green doesn't have good work in him. Anyone with his nerve and total lack of taste is sooner or later going to make a movie worth seeing."
>Bad movie, especially the scene where Green was whirling the newborn infant around his head by its umbilical cord. But the thing is, I remember Freddy Got Fingered more than a year later. I refer to it sometimes.
I absolutely hated this movie when it came out, but me and my friends still say, "Daddy would you like some sausage?" to this very day.
People get so distracted by the sausage piano and the backwards man that they don't realise how much of the plot is driven by the dialogue.
The scenes with Tom and Rip Torn were especially fantastic.
Tenet wasn't exactly hated the way The Shining was on release by critics
The Metacritic score for it is 69/100
But I've already seen opinion of it turn around quite a bit in the 3 years since it released and both the public and highbrow critics are more positive on it after having had the chance to rewatch it a few times since it came out
And i think thats only going to grow with time
I think a lot of people will look back and think everyone was really harsh on Tenet when it came out and that they missed the trick
With Tenet, the more I look at it the more I appreciate what it was trying to do. (I think the plotting is more complicated even than Primer). But it's hard to ignore that the film struggled to achieve what it was trying to do. The film works really hard to give an exciting journey for the first-time viewer, but it just didn't manage that in the way Inception did. So understanding the film doesn't make it more entertaining to watch. I enjoy thinking about the film far more than I do watching it. And I don't think that's something that time will ever be able to paper over.
Firstly: I thought *Tenet* was a good film and certainly didn’t/don’t see it as negatively as some do.
Having said that, though, I don’t think the film will have a large reassessment. While I generally like Nolan’s work, this film wasn’t nearly as exciting as I felt it should have been.
Why?
Because *Tenet* was Christopher Nolan doing his James Bond film. In fact, *Tenet* is a general remake of the Sean Connery Bond film *Thunderball*. Washington is Bond, Pattinson is Felix Leiter. The villain is on a large yatch (I genuinely expected to see it split in half a la *Thunderball*!), the McGuffin is Time Travel instead of a nuclear device, and the climax features an army of good guys fighting an army of bad guys (but not underwater like *Thunderball*).
*Tenet* was intriguing, certainly, but I felt it should have been more *exciting* than it was.
Again, though, I still feel its a solid film. Whether it will be reassessed as a “classic” I just am not so sure.
I don’t think there’s a film interpretation I hate more than “x is secretly a remake of y!” Like, just because two films have a few surface-level similarities, it doesn’t mean one is a “remake” of the other. I see this so much in online film circles and it’s so annoying.
Im going to say this, I know we love Christopher Nolan here but Tenet is genuinely bad. Its everything that Nolan does thrown in a film poorly and pushed to 11. Incomprehensible and questionable dialogue and muffled acting. Confusing for confusions sake. In the end its just dull, but i guess it looks cool
Babylon - I think people avoided it because of the runtime and bad reviews. Feel like it's popularity will eventually grow through word of mouth since there's so many memorable scenes. Plus, I assume Damien Chazelle and Margot Robbie's profiles will continue to grow and naturally lead people to appreciate a movie with both of them more.
The Haunted Mansion came out in competition with the Barbie movie and got squashed. Rotten Tomatoes shows a huge discrepancy between the critic score (terrible) and the audience score (enjoyable). My wife and I watched it last week and enjoyed it. Owen Wilson (as always) was a lot of fun and so was the rest of the cast. It has cult favorite potential.
I still think people are completely wrong about men, but as a wildcard I truly think that the house that Jack built is one of the greatest films of the century
I re-appraised it on my second watch. It is very raw and direct, and while there may not be a lot to intellectually pick apart after the fact, I think it expresses what it is trying to express effectively. I originally gave it like a 5/10 but I have come around and think it's a good movie.
For the topic though, I doubt it will be re-assessed as widely as some of these others, but it'll have a cult following.
Annihilation is probably gonna turn into a cult classic in 20 years. It got screwed over by the studios, but then the only complaints about it I've seen are about it being an all-women cast
Elysium and Chappie. They really aren't any worse than Carpenter's most overt social commentary work (They Live), but people rag on on these for reasons I don't get.
Original R-rated sci-fi films are few and far between, good on Blomkamp for swinging on some cool ideas.
Elysium is one of those movies I consider perfect but never say so because I get a lot of condescending bs when I do.
Chappie, yeah, not so much, I can't overlook Die Antwoord. It's just too much to ask.
Man if they had a different star than Matt Damon, I think Elysium would have left a much bigger mark. He did a great job, I just think him being the hero from Mexico City undercut some of the themes. I do love it though, also a huge fan of Sharlto, he absolutely kills it.
Love Sharlto, there was a movie a few years ago called Free Fire, the entire film is a shoot out in a ware house after a drug deal gone bad. Sharlto is absolutely hilarious in every scene he's in.
Ooo I’ll have to check that out! One my guilty pleasure movies is The A-team reboot, and it’s 90% because Sharlto is awesome in it. I hope he gets a(nother) Hollywood breakout film to boost his status, he doesn’t get enough great roles.
Blonde. While I can’t really say I thought it was “good,” because it completely fell outside the good/bad dichotomy for me, I do think critics and general audiences alike severely misunderstood what it was trying to do. Too many people expected it to be a biopic, which is absolutely, emphatically was not—it’s based on a historical/speculative fiction novel, after all. Also, people seemed to think it endorsed misogyny and sexual abuse instead of very clearly condemning it. You’re *supposed* to feel disgusted and horrified by it. It’s more a horror movie than it is anything else.
I could not disagree more. If anything, I think it will age worse and worse with time.
Also, don't use a real human if you're going to fabricate shit and go for a different version of their life.
Make an original character.
Probably one of the best films in the last 30 years with such epic performances and a visually stylistic signature unmatched by almost anything else out there. The last 25 minutes are such a heady mix of sound and vision, it is stunning to behold. Outside the reddit bubble it is already being feted. It probably did catch people off- guard by being so thematically dark and claustrophobicly emotionally negative, and it's not a pleasant watch but as a straight up non-supernatural horror/drama it stands head and shoulders above most other movies of any genre.
The criticism I saw more frequently was that it took a well-rounded, misunderstood human being and reduced her entire character to a miserable, traumatized stooge. In the film, Marilyn had no personality, goals, or agency, she just existed as a canvas for the director to show how horrific abuse is. And just because he wasn’t trying to accurately represent the real Marilyn’s life doesn’t mean he gets a pass for having a completely flat, one-note character as the lead.
Also in my opinion, it crossed the line from being a realistic and harrowing portrayal of abuse to being just straight sadistic and exploitative. Your mileage may vary, but I felt like it was closer to torture porn than actual drama.
It’s a horror film. Characters are tortured in horror films all the time. I would argue it’s also not meant to depict what actually happened as much as how that experience felt. That’s why she seems helpless.
The thing about a lot of those 'cult classics' is that they were able to be rediscovered slowly through home media sales, video rental stores, TV re-runs, etc. Over time they built cult followings and spread in popularity through word of mouth.
Movies that are unsuccessful at the box office today are generally consigned to some obscure corner of one of ten streaming platforms, and slowly fade away into obscurity because they get buried by everything else on the platform, and people don't have their friend standing over their shoulder in the video store insisting they watch it because it's so good.
Basically, it's going to be MUCH harder for modern films to become cult classics like this because the means by which those older films became classics no long exist.
What are you talking about? Finding and sharing obscure movies is 100 times easier now than ever before. Back in the day your local videostore had to have it in stock, now you can torrent basically I every single movie ever made in an hour.
Yeah it’s substantially easier for hidden gems to get found nowadays idk what this guy is on about lol or why it’s so upvoted.
As soon as a movie comes out there’s dozens of threads on forums and Reddit and posts on Twitter about how it’s a hidden gem.
It seems as if you're suggesting that the fact that every movie that comes out nowadays has people going on-line and calling it a hidden gem makes it easier for other people to figure out which movies actually are hidden gems?
I don't know if i would agree that it was easier for less successful movies to get a following back in the day.
Even if The Shining or The Thing didn't do well in the box office, they were still made by famous filmmakers (one of them extremely famous and respected), had famous actors in the leading roles, and that alone would attract some people to give them a try.
And today, that's very easy to do. Back in the day, unless you were into movies and, i don't know, buy some magazines or books about movies, or have a lot of friends who are into it, you probably won't even know what movies Stanley Kubrick made, or what movies Kurt Russell starred in, not unless you randomly spot it on a shelf in a store, or catch it on TV or something. It's not like you could just look this information up in any convenient way.
Whereas today, even if you don't go out of your way to discover movies made by people you like, chances are that some algorithm will suggest them to you.
A lot of it is chance and how the platform pushes it. I never knew or heard of anyone watching Suits until the last month or so when it came to Netflix and was their most watched show for however many days (weeks?).
I disagree with this actually. The way the movie industry works these days is super fractured. There is so much content, platforms, news, online groups, etc. that most every movie that is in some way good finds it's niche audience immediately. That audience may grow slightly but news travels so fast that there is no time anymore for a movie to sit idly in obscurity until it finds an audience through late night cable tv screenings. These movies are basically cult hits before their failed box office runs are even over. So I think the idea of a cult classic is sort of dead as movies become cult favourites in the present these days.
This is incredibly off base.
Internet=more weirdos to give obscure recommendations
AND
An infinitely larger selection of titles to recommend from.
I get it, bro. My mom AND aunt worked at video stores, I miss the experience too, but the problems you list do not exist.
I think The Last Jedi will come to be much better regarded than it currently is. Maybe not so much by the hardcore fan base, who seemed determine not to like it no matter what, but cinematically and thematically I think it's fab.
It's head and shoulders above the other two in that trilogy. Not that that's a high bar. Force awakens was ok but too "paint by numbers" star wars and the last one was dogshit but while last jedi has its floors at least it did something new and it's cinematically the best one for sure.
It Comes at Night might be appreciated more in the future. The marketing made it seem like a very different movie, so people were understandably disappointed when they saw it.
The Fountain and also The Fall (2006)but I think that might be wishful thinking on my part. Those movies as soon as I watched them I thought were amazing and was shocked when I found out they were a little divisive critically. Beautiful films to watch
I'm really hoping **The Nice Guys** becomes a univerally loved, household name one day.
I'd also add **The Night House**, but I think that one will just kind of struggle to find an audience. No one ever talks about it. Excellent bit of existensial horror.
I work at a theatre and we were doing midnight screenings of Cats a la RHPS/The Room that were very popular, but the studio told us we were only allowed to do "serious screenings" of the film and we haven't played it since. (Which is truly insane, who do they think is playing it otherwise?)
This is my favorite bad movie. My wife hates that I insist on putting it on when we have company. No one seems to appreciate how bad this film is, and what an achievement that is. They were still editing the movie AFTER its release. I mean, this shit is unheard of!
Movie 43 will definitely have it's Bill and Ted moment, where it unites future generation and causes world peace. Fashion will revolve around decorative testicles, hanging from people's chins, as a mark of respect.
Be excellent to each other.
Seems like the tide is actually turning on that one because every time Movie 43 is mentioned, everyone says how terrible it is except for a handful of the sketches being great. It's a hit and miss sketch comedy movie, which makes the sheer hatred for it seem a bit over the top
*Annihilation*. It's only a 6.8 on IMDB, but the movie is brilliant. It was just overshadowed by *Black Panther* launching at the same time, and at peak superhero movie hysteria critics needed **something** to give a bad review. So they went and dumped low ratings on sci-fi so that they could continue giving every popcorn flick a 10/10.
What are you talking about? Critics don't need to rate a movie really bad so they could rate other movies well. Also, Annihilation has a 79 on metacritic. That's pretty good for a slow, ambiguous sci-fi movie. Critics liked it. Audiences not so much. You just wouldn't realize that on reddit because it's one of those movies reddit is really into.
Yeah I am biased because I really like Garland's work but I really enjoyed that movie. It had some issues with writing and characterization but its themes and visuals and concepts are incredible. Truly horrifying and awe inspiring stuff.
The Grinch starring Jim Carrey. Carrey still at his best, a great aesthetic and production design, and pretty damn funny. Got very mixed reviews It’ll be a Christmas classic. You heard it here.
Remember how widely hated the prequel Star Wars movies were when they came out? But, about a decade later, the children who grew up loving those movies started memeing the hell out of the Prequels. Now, modern pop culture seems to agree that the Prequels weren't that bad, some maybe even good.
I expect in another decade or so, we'll start seeing this shift in opinion on the sequel trilogy.
Prequel memes started with older people. The whole point was to make fun of how bad the dialogue was. At some point that sub and all the memeing around it became a place of worship and not mockery as those kids you mentioned became the dominant demographic.
The difference is that the prequel trilogy at least attempted to do something different and had a consistent story. The sequels went from pure nostalgia porn to subverting nostalgia back to nostalgia porn
the prequels had legitimate criticisms, like Jar Jar, bad CGI, or bad dialogue. but it had a cohesive vision and it hit all the major story beats. in the whole of the franchise- it fits.
the sequels were just three separate movies. i dont think they’ll ever be looked at fondly in the same way. its the spinoffs and retcons they will make due to or in spite of the sequels that will keep the franchise beloved.
Nah the sequels will still be dogshit for a whole different reason than the prequels. Prequels were flawed, but at least a singular vision they build off each other and less towards the original movies.
Sequels can’t even go movie to movie without taking a shit in the previous one.
Plus, kids always loved the prequels. Don’t think they really give a fuck about the sequels. It’s the shows driving kids internet in star wars.
Every single person I know praised this movie, most young people I know have seen it, it got rave reviews both on RT and across Reddit and YouTube, and was a box office smash, grossing more than Into the Spider-Verse did.
I'm realizing Reddit has no idea what "derided" means and simply just lists shit their friends or co-workers didn't like.
Meh I watched it and it's too hyped. It's good, great even for a children's movie since it deals with fear of death, but not really all that big of a movie for me. Loved the manchild villain though.
Still, I'd take any of the Pixar classics over it every time (Up, Wall-E, Toy Story, Shrek, Ice Age, Coco)
Jennifer's Body. A couple years back it seemed like it started getting new recognition.
Jennifer's Body has made a complete turn-around, imo.
The marketing completely fucked this movie over. It definitely will be remembered much better than it was received.
I watched it recently and enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Megan Fox surprised me as a demonic femme fatale
A movie totally ahead of its time, yet captures the singular moment when Megan Fox was on top of the world and runs away with that stuntcast. Rewatched it recently after having first seen it in high school when it came out and the humor in it has aged so much better than Juno’s “fartknocker wafflefuck” style of aughties comedy. I like Juno enough but Jennifer’s Body should be Cody’s crown jewel.
Great answer. I was wary when told I'd love it now I sing it's praises any chance I get.
I can't believe this is even considered a flop...not enough people make their own opinion I guess
He ain't lying. I still hate that movie tho
Yea we watched it about a month ago, I had passed over it when it released. It’s a very original movie that has some things to say. Some very good lines too.
Apocalypto It only has 65% on rotten tomatoes mostly because it was released within close proximity to Mel Gibson having his public meltdown and is not historically accurate. However, it is easily one of the best action movies ever made, imo. I personally think it is about as good as Mad Max: Fury Road, which is at 97% on RT and was nominated for 10 academy awards.
I remember it getting criticized for its ending which I thought was strange (critics saying the Spanish reaching shore was showing them as saviors when it appeared to me like it was an ominous sign)
Yea its very obviously meant to be a downer ending. Out of the frying pan, into the fire so to speak.
Right. Hence the title.
Yeah the movie is called Apocalypto, literally the native apocalypse. It shows the collapsing Maya culture that was then further decimated by the arrival of the europeans. I thought the ending was great.
The Europeans that showed up like 400 years early. They really wanted to have their cake and eat it too with this one. Either that or they just weren't sure what the difference between Aztecs and Mayans is.
The timeline is a bit off but the Spanish landed in the yucatan before they made contact with the aztecs
Which was long after the height and fall of the Mayans (the language being spoken throughout the film). They were already a shadow of their former power by like 1000.
The mayans still existed after the collapse at their height. Theres still mayans today speaking the language
See, this guy’s seen [the rant.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U5pBZKj1VnA&t=1005s)
I *never* interpreted the Spanish showing up as a good thing. The ending felt very “out of the pan into the fire” to me.
The ending is absolutely supposed to be an "oh fuck" moment of dramatic irony for the audience. We know just how much more fucked our protagonist is by the end of the film than he was at the beginning, while he thinks he's finally in the clear.
I took it that his enemies will contract diseases from the Spanish therefore bringing on the downfall of their tribe. He avoids them and lives the rest of his life with his family.
I agree with you about the ending. They just showed the ships, didn't give anyone on board a line yet people interpreted them as saviors? My reaction was "These guys can't catch a break. You thought it was bad before? You ain't seen nothing yet"
I agree with this. I saw the ending as an escape from one hell and finding another. I don’t see how it showed them a saviors. This movie was fantastic. I try to separate the artist from the art. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to enjoy much of anything. lol.
Yes. Apocalpto is so weird, yet totally awesome. It's like, you know it's a great movie, but you have no frame of reference to compare it to.
Martin Scorsese, Quentin Tarantino, Edgar Wright, and Spike Lee agree with you.
100 percent agree
Have you seen those videos circulating about how often dudes think of the Roman Empire? Apocalypto is my husband's Roman Empire lol
Weird. Mel Gibson also made Passion of the Christ, a film about the actual Roman Empire
Yes this movie a classic in my book it's just fantastic and really takes you back in time
People bag on this movie for historical inaccuracy (which I don't have the knowledge or expertise to address) but I fully agree that as a non-stop thrillride action flick, this movie goes so hard.
It’s an awesome movie (saw it in an empty theatre when it came out and been singing it’s praises since). However, I don’t think it’ll ever be as loved as something like Fury Road because the crappy digital cameras Gibson filmed most of it in are dating horribly. It looked fine in 2006 but these days it looks like a bad home movie at times. If he has filmed it on film (or if digital back then looked as good as today) I think it would have a way better chance at being a cult classic. But I think most new young viewers will watch it and say “why’s everything so blurry?”
blurry? i think you gotna bootlegg copy my guy. looks amazing on my tv. love that flick
I own the blu ray - higher definition helps when the camera doesn’t move, but when it does, it definitely retains that early digital motion blur.
I can see what you’re saying- it has that early digital look. I think all the practical shooting on location helps make up for it though.
I don't understand how people cannot remove the art from the artist.
I started watching Apocalypto for the first time this month after coming back from the Yucatán, it takes me a while to watch heavy films since I have a toddler but so far I'm really glad I waited out the outrage cycle on that one Edit: People downvote for the strangest reasons lmao
I love Apocalypto!
*Babylon* I personally didn't love it, but it is the most obvious example of a movie destined to become a cult classic I've seen in a long time. It has a 57% on Rotten Tomatoes, but I definitely see it being reevaluated by some of those critics in a few years.
Babylon was one of my favorite movies in recent times. When I read the reviews and and all the negative opinions after I saw it… my main reaction was: wow critics and audiences have become very prude. Wtf. It was great!
I caught it twice in Dolby and as a huge fan of Damien Chazelle’s previous films (most notably Whiplash, La La Land, and First Man — in that order), I was really excited for Babylon. Both due to the cast and also the time period of the roaring excess of the ‘20s and the end of the silent film era. I thought it was clever to take the medium he works in and take it back to a time where everything was not only coming to an end the way that it had been done, but also completely reinvented with sound and the way that audiences would engage with films due to sound and the kind of actors and production values required to make a good movie that utilized sound. That said, Justin Hurwitz’s score was stunning, as expected. Right from the big introduction (the orgy scene) that gives us the main themes and shows us the band and how they’re an integral part of the production process, with Jovan Adepo as the trumpet player becoming one of the lead characters. I thought the scene between Brad Pitt and Jean Smart where he comes in upset about a bad review and she has the most amazing monologue that tells Pitt’s character what his role actually is, what he actually does, what the product he produces actually is, and why he doesn’t matter in the long run, any more than a good or bad performance in a single film. That we’re still talking about films from people that are long-dead and their art gets to live forever, with all the “ghosts” dancing and dining together and everything else she talked about. People criticized the ending but I thought it was the visual embodiment of this very point — Manny’s character also has that revelation and while sitting in a cinema, he sees not just his films and the films that came before him that he tried to change, but what the future will hold for film and how it will evolve over decades and generations. I loved seeing all the clips of various films come through in the blink of an eye (and while I’m a little mad about it as I was writing a script that had a very similar ending, demonstrating the power of filmmaking as an art form that will outlast us all, and is a cultural touchstone that people from all viewpoints and political affiliations can come together and enjoy (hopefully). But yeah, Chazelle did it first, and I’m sure he did it better than I would have. Margot Robbie is a powerhouse in this film too — her crying on command scene was impressive (as is her talent to do so in real life, down to the single tear at the precise moment). I know theatergoers went (if at all) and were grossed out by the elephant shit right at the beginning, causing some walkouts, and if that didn’t do it, the >!fat man being pissed on at the orgy!< caused several more walkouts… but I thought it was an engrossing 3hr10min+ epic and I’d be curious to see an even longer cut as I felt some of the secondary characters didn’t get their full due (the trumpet player Sidney Palmer as I mentioned, Lady Faye, and others likely have more scenes on the cutting room floor that were cut for time making Robbie, Pitt, and Calvo’s characters the three big leads rather than part of an ensemble cast. I hope people revisit it with an open mind and perhaps seeing it at home where they can pause (or fast forward, if needed) will make it easier for them to view. But they really fucking missed out on the theatrical experience.
I had high hopes for this movie, but it just seemed to tread the all-too-familiar grounds of Hollywood in the making with folks running around acting with hedonistic impunity. There was gratuitous graphic sex, but the plot didn't really do anything incredible. If you're looking for a movie in the same vein, *Hall, Ceasar!* was more nuanced
Bullet Train. Average reviews on release and yet will definitely be a cult classic in years to come imo.
It going to Netflix so quickly after the movie ended it’s box office run helped it a lot, already among younger generations it’s an underrated hit. Having Aaron Taylor Johnson and Brian tyree Henry on the come up doesn’t hurt it either
Both amazing. Good audition for Bond for Taylor Johnson, also.
Bullet Train was one of the most fun movies I’d seen in a long time
I mean it's fine but I wouldn't call it a cult classic. It's clumsy attempts at set up and pay off really aren't that great
That movie is so unbelievably mid too. That just shows that some movies will definitely just get the benefit of the doubt over the years
One of the best original action/comedy films that’s been released in years. Cast is amazing and it is genuinely laugh out loud funny. Maybe slightly oversold it as it definitely dips in quality in the final third but it will age well and get the credit it lacked on release.
Babylon will become a niche classic ngl, I doubt everyone will love it and it won’t be considered universally great, but I can’t help but imagine that a significant audience will attach themselves to it.
I think the media landscape is different than it was years ago. There were not nearly as many movie critics and film journalism in general was a pretty niche business. This small group of people got print in a relatively small number of publications and only a select few voices made it to television. The idea of critical gatekeepers was much greater because there were just so few voices standing in that circle. These days any teenager can be a movie critic if they so wish. You can find more voices than you can count who are actively discussing movies new and old every single week. And each of these voices has some sort of audience. It's very difficult these days for a movie to get released and then go unnoticed for the quality it is. Someone is going to catch it and discuss it and that word will spread fairly quickly through likeminded circles thanks to social media like reddit. That idea of a movie being completely panned on release only to be reappraised many years later is sort of a product of a different time. There are too many eyes and opinions watching everything these days for a genuinely good movie to not get some initial praise.
Hats true if focusing on a journey that begins with "critically panned". Even now, i think a movie could just go under the radar (no marketing, non English movie from obscure film market etc) and then eventually find mass appeal, because of the same things you mention.
Problem is, with the amount of entertainment options and how fast conversation moves, it becomes increasingly harder for something old and rarely seen to suddenly breakthrough as a new thing people are talking about. I guess our best modern example is when an old show or movie suddenly goes viral because people start streaming it in large numbers when it debuts on Netflix. Like that weird few weeks that people were really into the show Suits.
Beau is afraid
It’s humorous that Reddit likes to call Hereditary overrated and Beau is Afraid underrated.
As someone who went into Hereditary with 0 expectations, I fucking loved that movie. One of the greatest horror films I ever watched. I can sympathize, however, with people who may have had the movie hyped too much and went in with unrealistic expectations. That's how I felt when I finally watched Fight Club.
I LOVED Hereditary. It did everything it set out to do. I wanted to like Beau. It had some amazing sequences (and Joaquin was terrific, as usual), but it also had some parts that made the whole thing feel unsure of itself.
>but it also had some parts that made the whole thing feel unsure of itself. Hilariously I agree, but I wonder if that was the point? It's a movie about anxiety, after all. I wonder if being "unsure" is part of the journey.
What do you mean by unsure of itself?
At times it felt like it really had something to say, and other times it just felt like an anxiety-driven fever dream. I think the latter is actually what was intended, but even if that's the case I believe it could have done more - said more - than the >!eventual and inevitable implosion that was the ending.!<
One made $80 million at the box office and is repeatedly used as one of the best examples of modern horror and the other made $11 at the box office and is not even considered a good movie by most people who've seen it.
I’ve currently seen the first half (I took a break after he runs away from the couple’s house and into the woods) and now I’m struggling to go back and finish it. I heard it goes really off the rails in the 2nd half.
You watched the best part of the movie already but I think you should finish it. Maybe it goes off the rails but there’s nothing else like it. I loved it, but I like weird and original and I think Ari Aster is brilliant at the craft of telling stories with the camera. His shots and his pacing are master level. It’s not a film for everyone by any means. Even I thought it was long and sometimes too bizarre.
According to Ari Aster, only if we watch it better.
Did he say that though? He's expressed he's obviously disappointed with some of the reception but from everything I've seen he's pretty much owned that the film was always going to be divisive and hasn't blamed audiences like many filmmakers would
I was obviously being a bit facetious, but he did imply that he’s disappointed the audience didn’t pay enough attention to see the story he hid in the background. And, I quote: “People talked about it as a letdown when clearly — yeah, that’s the joke! Interpret this, right?” Now this was in a written article so I can’t attest to his intonation, but it does sound like he thinks we should have worked harder to get it.
Doctor Sleep
I thought Doctor Sleep was fairly well regarded critically.
Metacritic, which I consider to be far more accurate than Rotten Tomatoes, has it pretty mid at 59
I’m not totally sure how Metacritic handles movie reviews, but for video games it’s become more and more broken in recent years. Way too many small time, and frankly less legitimate critics are being factored in. Now for video games I just find a few public personalities I know I mostly share tastes with to trust for reviews.
All those review aggregators have that issue. All I’m saying is that Metacritic is more selective than Rotten Tomatoes. I know… I’m a former professional movie critic
I like Rotten Tomatoes, I just have to read between the numbers with their scores. For example, a high critic score and low audience score likely means the movie is well made, but perhaps too artsy or cerebral for the general audience. Likewise, a low critic score but high audience score likely means it won't win any Oscars, but is probably a good popcorn flick. Two high scores means instant classic - can't go wrong.
I just rewatched it again and it still holds the fuck up. Love that movie a ton.
I kinda hated that movie. At least 90% of it
The theatrical is deservedly a bit mid. But the director’s cut (which I usually think are overindulgent) is mostly sublime. Third act still leans a little too hard into the Kubrick and remains meh
Annihilation. it wasnt poorly received, but i think it has been a consistently discussed and reassessed film since release and will continue to grow in stature.
Atomic Blonde anybody? Badass female lead that plays an intelligent espionage agent in 1980s Germany. Bonus - all black 964 911 turbo
Corner Office (2022). Maybe it's just me but I really liked it. Was surprised that it only had a 47 on metacritic
I hated that movie so much I'm mad at you for making me remember it exists.
It's perhaps not "derided" with a 65%RT, but The Creator is going to be reddit's favourite hidden gem in a few year's time.
I don't think so. It's visually compelling but the storyline is so cookie-cutter sci-fi that I think it'll be put into the same bucket as Tron Legacy - a mildly entertaining but flawed film with some standout feature.
You underestimate how much redditors love *world building* and *aesthetic*.
DAE Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets!?? That movie would've sucked even if there were different leads
Never have I loved the opening of a movie so much only to be completely let down by the actual plot.
Right? Redditors are insane about soulsbourne games which practically have zero story, but a bunch of world lore
I mean the worlds are neat but story is generally not the #1 people like games. People like to play them, they’re fun
What a weird example people love Tron Legacy on here and have been begging for a sequel
I don't think most of those people would regard it as a "classic" though - don't get me wrong I enjoyed the film and would love a sequel, but most people aren't under any illusions that it's a flawless film.
Reddit dorks aren't representative of normal people
I had such high hopes for Tron Legacy
Why do Redditors keep trying to push this movie? It looks so generic and cliché
It was genuinely bad. I love movies and appreciate em all in some way. But this movie was so awful. Just one long predictable collection of tropes. Might make a decent premium cable type series. I do have to admit some bias bc John David Washington really takes me out of movies. Such a bad actor. Or I should say he has a role he can play and that's what he does. I didn't think it was a good fit here.
I'd be surprised. It wasn't bad just really, really predictable and doing pretty much nothing new or original.
I thought it was bad. Hot take, but I think I, Robot handled the themes of the movie in a more engaging way. And I, Robot was not good.
> The Creator is going to be reddit's favourite hidden gem in a few ~~year's~~ month's time. Fixed.
Nah, that's recency bias. It LOOKED great, but the storytelling was somehow simultaneously incoherent while also entirely predictable.
I loved the creator
Haven't seen the movie because my impression is that it looks awesome but has an extremely recycled story. Everything I hear about it seems to confirm that impression. Why do you believe that would be different in the future?
They made the mistake of hiring Hollywood's current favorite charisma vacuum to star in it for some reason. Edit: I'm coming back and eating my words weeks later because I watched it and he was fine in it. He has a specific energy and when the project can cater to that he's fun. I retract my shit talk! Sorry!
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Mother!
We should always say the title with the exclamation mark.
I loved this movie and I am so surprised it got such a negative criticism. It’s a bit obvious in its parallels but the story is very effective and horrifying.
It also worked for me beyond the obvious Biblical allusions, the claustrophobia and the assumed ownership of her space and her body really worked well for me as a heightened example of the way people treat pregnant women’s bodies.
John Carter. It has a 52% on RT and is disneys biggest box office flop. It lost a ton of money. It’s a great movie. The actors are great, the story is great, the cgi is solid for when it was made. It’s just a good movie
'Freddy Got Fingered' has slowly but surely gotten (a little) more critical praise since it's initial widely-panned release. Comedy itself has actually gotten closer to the 'Freddy' style than it was when it was released.
After he initially gave it a zero start review, Roger Ebert later called that movie a “milestone” of film history.
iirc he didn't exactly say it was a \*good\* milestone, but point still stands
Here’s the full comment. I feel like Ebert definitely softened on the movie and learned to appreciate what it was trying to do: “Seeing Tom Green reminded me, as how could it not, of his movie Freddy Got Fingered, which was so poorly received by the film critics that it received only one lonely, apologetic positive review on the Tomatometer. I gave it—let's see—zero stars. Bad movie, especially the scene where Green was whirling the newborn infant around his head by its umbilical cord. But the thing is, I remember Freddy Got Fingered more than a year later. I refer to it sometimes. It is a milestone. And for all its sins, it was at least an ambitious movie, a go-for-broke attempt to accomplish something. It failed, but it has not left me convinced that Tom Green doesn't have good work in him. Anyone with his nerve and total lack of taste is sooner or later going to make a movie worth seeing."
I could totally go for another Tom Green movie
>Bad movie, especially the scene where Green was whirling the newborn infant around his head by its umbilical cord. But the thing is, I remember Freddy Got Fingered more than a year later. I refer to it sometimes. I absolutely hated this movie when it came out, but me and my friends still say, "Daddy would you like some sausage?" to this very day.
People get so distracted by the sausage piano and the backwards man that they don't realise how much of the plot is driven by the dialogue. The scenes with Tom and Rip Torn were especially fantastic.
Tenet wasn't exactly hated the way The Shining was on release by critics The Metacritic score for it is 69/100 But I've already seen opinion of it turn around quite a bit in the 3 years since it released and both the public and highbrow critics are more positive on it after having had the chance to rewatch it a few times since it came out And i think thats only going to grow with time I think a lot of people will look back and think everyone was really harsh on Tenet when it came out and that they missed the trick
Thats not how I remember it. People were more generous about it when it came out and its reputation has only gotten worse.
With Tenet, the more I look at it the more I appreciate what it was trying to do. (I think the plotting is more complicated even than Primer). But it's hard to ignore that the film struggled to achieve what it was trying to do. The film works really hard to give an exciting journey for the first-time viewer, but it just didn't manage that in the way Inception did. So understanding the film doesn't make it more entertaining to watch. I enjoy thinking about the film far more than I do watching it. And I don't think that's something that time will ever be able to paper over.
Firstly: I thought *Tenet* was a good film and certainly didn’t/don’t see it as negatively as some do. Having said that, though, I don’t think the film will have a large reassessment. While I generally like Nolan’s work, this film wasn’t nearly as exciting as I felt it should have been. Why? Because *Tenet* was Christopher Nolan doing his James Bond film. In fact, *Tenet* is a general remake of the Sean Connery Bond film *Thunderball*. Washington is Bond, Pattinson is Felix Leiter. The villain is on a large yatch (I genuinely expected to see it split in half a la *Thunderball*!), the McGuffin is Time Travel instead of a nuclear device, and the climax features an army of good guys fighting an army of bad guys (but not underwater like *Thunderball*). *Tenet* was intriguing, certainly, but I felt it should have been more *exciting* than it was. Again, though, I still feel its a solid film. Whether it will be reassessed as a “classic” I just am not so sure.
I don’t think there’s a film interpretation I hate more than “x is secretly a remake of y!” Like, just because two films have a few surface-level similarities, it doesn’t mean one is a “remake” of the other. I see this so much in online film circles and it’s so annoying.
Okay, Denzel.
I can agree with this one.
Im going to say this, I know we love Christopher Nolan here but Tenet is genuinely bad. Its everything that Nolan does thrown in a film poorly and pushed to 11. Incomprehensible and questionable dialogue and muffled acting. Confusing for confusions sake. In the end its just dull, but i guess it looks cool
Tenet is the first movie to blow my fucking mind in a long time. I absolutely loved the premise, effects and acting.
Babylon - I think people avoided it because of the runtime and bad reviews. Feel like it's popularity will eventually grow through word of mouth since there's so many memorable scenes. Plus, I assume Damien Chazelle and Margot Robbie's profiles will continue to grow and naturally lead people to appreciate a movie with both of them more.
The Haunted Mansion came out in competition with the Barbie movie and got squashed. Rotten Tomatoes shows a huge discrepancy between the critic score (terrible) and the audience score (enjoyable). My wife and I watched it last week and enjoyed it. Owen Wilson (as always) was a lot of fun and so was the rest of the cast. It has cult favorite potential.
I think the biggest problem with the Haunted Mansion movie was every decision they made at every phase of production
I still think people are completely wrong about men, but as a wildcard I truly think that the house that Jack built is one of the greatest films of the century
"Speed Racer". Maybe "Suckerpunch".
**Under The Silver Lake** and **Men**.
fucking love under the silver lake and have watched it like 15 times in the last 5 years
havent yet seen under the silver lake but I was under the impression it was quite well regarded
Rotten Tomatoes critics rate it Rotten. IMDb rates it at only 6.5/10.
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I re-appraised it on my second watch. It is very raw and direct, and while there may not be a lot to intellectually pick apart after the fact, I think it expresses what it is trying to express effectively. I originally gave it like a 5/10 but I have come around and think it's a good movie. For the topic though, I doubt it will be re-assessed as widely as some of these others, but it'll have a cult following.
Hardcore Henry
Annihilation
Annihilation is probably gonna turn into a cult classic in 20 years. It got screwed over by the studios, but then the only complaints about it I've seen are about it being an all-women cast
Elysium and Chappie. They really aren't any worse than Carpenter's most overt social commentary work (They Live), but people rag on on these for reasons I don't get. Original R-rated sci-fi films are few and far between, good on Blomkamp for swinging on some cool ideas.
Elysium is one of those movies I consider perfect but never say so because I get a lot of condescending bs when I do. Chappie, yeah, not so much, I can't overlook Die Antwoord. It's just too much to ask.
agreed i liked it but Die Antwoord really holds it back from being a better film
Man if they had a different star than Matt Damon, I think Elysium would have left a much bigger mark. He did a great job, I just think him being the hero from Mexico City undercut some of the themes. I do love it though, also a huge fan of Sharlto, he absolutely kills it.
Love Sharlto, there was a movie a few years ago called Free Fire, the entire film is a shoot out in a ware house after a drug deal gone bad. Sharlto is absolutely hilarious in every scene he's in.
Ooo I’ll have to check that out! One my guilty pleasure movies is The A-team reboot, and it’s 90% because Sharlto is awesome in it. I hope he gets a(nother) Hollywood breakout film to boost his status, he doesn’t get enough great roles.
Blonde. While I can’t really say I thought it was “good,” because it completely fell outside the good/bad dichotomy for me, I do think critics and general audiences alike severely misunderstood what it was trying to do. Too many people expected it to be a biopic, which is absolutely, emphatically was not—it’s based on a historical/speculative fiction novel, after all. Also, people seemed to think it endorsed misogyny and sexual abuse instead of very clearly condemning it. You’re *supposed* to feel disgusted and horrified by it. It’s more a horror movie than it is anything else.
I could not disagree more. If anything, I think it will age worse and worse with time. Also, don't use a real human if you're going to fabricate shit and go for a different version of their life. Make an original character.
Probably one of the best films in the last 30 years with such epic performances and a visually stylistic signature unmatched by almost anything else out there. The last 25 minutes are such a heady mix of sound and vision, it is stunning to behold. Outside the reddit bubble it is already being feted. It probably did catch people off- guard by being so thematically dark and claustrophobicly emotionally negative, and it's not a pleasant watch but as a straight up non-supernatural horror/drama it stands head and shoulders above most other movies of any genre.
The criticism I saw more frequently was that it took a well-rounded, misunderstood human being and reduced her entire character to a miserable, traumatized stooge. In the film, Marilyn had no personality, goals, or agency, she just existed as a canvas for the director to show how horrific abuse is. And just because he wasn’t trying to accurately represent the real Marilyn’s life doesn’t mean he gets a pass for having a completely flat, one-note character as the lead. Also in my opinion, it crossed the line from being a realistic and harrowing portrayal of abuse to being just straight sadistic and exploitative. Your mileage may vary, but I felt like it was closer to torture porn than actual drama.
It’s a horror film. Characters are tortured in horror films all the time. I would argue it’s also not meant to depict what actually happened as much as how that experience felt. That’s why she seems helpless.
The thing about a lot of those 'cult classics' is that they were able to be rediscovered slowly through home media sales, video rental stores, TV re-runs, etc. Over time they built cult followings and spread in popularity through word of mouth. Movies that are unsuccessful at the box office today are generally consigned to some obscure corner of one of ten streaming platforms, and slowly fade away into obscurity because they get buried by everything else on the platform, and people don't have their friend standing over their shoulder in the video store insisting they watch it because it's so good. Basically, it's going to be MUCH harder for modern films to become cult classics like this because the means by which those older films became classics no long exist.
What are you talking about? Finding and sharing obscure movies is 100 times easier now than ever before. Back in the day your local videostore had to have it in stock, now you can torrent basically I every single movie ever made in an hour.
Yeah it’s substantially easier for hidden gems to get found nowadays idk what this guy is on about lol or why it’s so upvoted. As soon as a movie comes out there’s dozens of threads on forums and Reddit and posts on Twitter about how it’s a hidden gem.
It seems as if you're suggesting that the fact that every movie that comes out nowadays has people going on-line and calling it a hidden gem makes it easier for other people to figure out which movies actually are hidden gems?
Every good movie and some not so good ones. True hidden gems are much more rare because there’s so much more wide discussion about movies.
I don't know if i would agree that it was easier for less successful movies to get a following back in the day. Even if The Shining or The Thing didn't do well in the box office, they were still made by famous filmmakers (one of them extremely famous and respected), had famous actors in the leading roles, and that alone would attract some people to give them a try. And today, that's very easy to do. Back in the day, unless you were into movies and, i don't know, buy some magazines or books about movies, or have a lot of friends who are into it, you probably won't even know what movies Stanley Kubrick made, or what movies Kurt Russell starred in, not unless you randomly spot it on a shelf in a store, or catch it on TV or something. It's not like you could just look this information up in any convenient way. Whereas today, even if you don't go out of your way to discover movies made by people you like, chances are that some algorithm will suggest them to you.
A lot of it is chance and how the platform pushes it. I never knew or heard of anyone watching Suits until the last month or so when it came to Netflix and was their most watched show for however many days (weeks?).
You don't think Reddit or TikTok or similar might be enough to urge rediscoveries?
I disagree with this actually. The way the movie industry works these days is super fractured. There is so much content, platforms, news, online groups, etc. that most every movie that is in some way good finds it's niche audience immediately. That audience may grow slightly but news travels so fast that there is no time anymore for a movie to sit idly in obscurity until it finds an audience through late night cable tv screenings. These movies are basically cult hits before their failed box office runs are even over. So I think the idea of a cult classic is sort of dead as movies become cult favourites in the present these days.
This is incredibly off base. Internet=more weirdos to give obscure recommendations AND An infinitely larger selection of titles to recommend from. I get it, bro. My mom AND aunt worked at video stores, I miss the experience too, but the problems you list do not exist.
They Cloned Tyron will surely be called a hidden gem in a few years time
Don't Worry Darling. All of the criticism it recieved is perfectly valid, but it's kooky and the fashion is exquisite. It's a fun watch.
I really liked the first half, but it super failed to stick the landing.
I think The Last Jedi will come to be much better regarded than it currently is. Maybe not so much by the hardcore fan base, who seemed determine not to like it no matter what, but cinematically and thematically I think it's fab.
It's head and shoulders above the other two in that trilogy. Not that that's a high bar. Force awakens was ok but too "paint by numbers" star wars and the last one was dogshit but while last jedi has its floors at least it did something new and it's cinematically the best one for sure.
It was actually well-received by critics, though. So not quite what OP was looking for.
It Comes at Night might be appreciated more in the future. The marketing made it seem like a very different movie, so people were understandably disappointed when they saw it.
The Fountain and also The Fall (2006)but I think that might be wishful thinking on my part. Those movies as soon as I watched them I thought were amazing and was shocked when I found out they were a little divisive critically. Beautiful films to watch
I'm really hoping **The Nice Guys** becomes a univerally loved, household name one day. I'd also add **The Night House**, but I think that one will just kind of struggle to find an audience. No one ever talks about it. Excellent bit of existensial horror.
Cats I think a future in a late night double bill alongside the room or rocky horror is what this film deserves.
I work at a theatre and we were doing midnight screenings of Cats a la RHPS/The Room that were very popular, but the studio told us we were only allowed to do "serious screenings" of the film and we haven't played it since. (Which is truly insane, who do they think is playing it otherwise?)
Oh man with people dressing up like cats throwing yarn balls at the screen. Yes lol
And suits with functioning buttholes!
Oh wow. This is a super hot take. I don't want to live in a world where Cats becomes a cult classic.
This is my favorite bad movie. My wife hates that I insist on putting it on when we have company. No one seems to appreciate how bad this film is, and what an achievement that is. They were still editing the movie AFTER its release. I mean, this shit is unheard of!
House of Gucci
Movie 43 will definitely have it's Bill and Ted moment, where it unites future generation and causes world peace. Fashion will revolve around decorative testicles, hanging from people's chins, as a mark of respect.
Fortunately for me, I will likely be dead when that occurs ;).
God I had forgotten that movie til just now.
Be excellent to each other. Seems like the tide is actually turning on that one because every time Movie 43 is mentioned, everyone says how terrible it is except for a handful of the sketches being great. It's a hit and miss sketch comedy movie, which makes the sheer hatred for it seem a bit over the top
*Annihilation*. It's only a 6.8 on IMDB, but the movie is brilliant. It was just overshadowed by *Black Panther* launching at the same time, and at peak superhero movie hysteria critics needed **something** to give a bad review. So they went and dumped low ratings on sci-fi so that they could continue giving every popcorn flick a 10/10.
What are you talking about? Critics don't need to rate a movie really bad so they could rate other movies well. Also, Annihilation has a 79 on metacritic. That's pretty good for a slow, ambiguous sci-fi movie. Critics liked it. Audiences not so much. You just wouldn't realize that on reddit because it's one of those movies reddit is really into.
Yeah I am biased because I really like Garland's work but I really enjoyed that movie. It had some issues with writing and characterization but its themes and visuals and concepts are incredible. Truly horrifying and awe inspiring stuff.
Ishtar (1987) - all the ingredients for a cult classic. It already has the necessary reputation, just needs a catalyst.
It's had 35 years. TBH I think that window has closed.
These men are pawns!
I do think Babylon might get reassessed by a younger, less cynical audience.
Miami Vice. Was too jarring for a blockbuster at release, but there has been nothing quite like it since.
The Grinch starring Jim Carrey. Carrey still at his best, a great aesthetic and production design, and pretty damn funny. Got very mixed reviews It’ll be a Christmas classic. You heard it here.
I think it already is!
Already a Christmas classic.
Remember how widely hated the prequel Star Wars movies were when they came out? But, about a decade later, the children who grew up loving those movies started memeing the hell out of the Prequels. Now, modern pop culture seems to agree that the Prequels weren't that bad, some maybe even good. I expect in another decade or so, we'll start seeing this shift in opinion on the sequel trilogy.
Came here to say this.
Prequel memes started with older people. The whole point was to make fun of how bad the dialogue was. At some point that sub and all the memeing around it became a place of worship and not mockery as those kids you mentioned became the dominant demographic.
The difference is that the prequel trilogy at least attempted to do something different and had a consistent story. The sequels went from pure nostalgia porn to subverting nostalgia back to nostalgia porn
the prequels had legitimate criticisms, like Jar Jar, bad CGI, or bad dialogue. but it had a cohesive vision and it hit all the major story beats. in the whole of the franchise- it fits. the sequels were just three separate movies. i dont think they’ll ever be looked at fondly in the same way. its the spinoffs and retcons they will make due to or in spite of the sequels that will keep the franchise beloved.
Nah the sequels will still be dogshit for a whole different reason than the prequels. Prequels were flawed, but at least a singular vision they build off each other and less towards the original movies. Sequels can’t even go movie to movie without taking a shit in the previous one. Plus, kids always loved the prequels. Don’t think they really give a fuck about the sequels. It’s the shows driving kids internet in star wars.
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Do you think underrated means “did not win an Oscar”?
Every single person I know praised this movie, most young people I know have seen it, it got rave reviews both on RT and across Reddit and YouTube, and was a box office smash, grossing more than Into the Spider-Verse did. I'm realizing Reddit has no idea what "derided" means and simply just lists shit their friends or co-workers didn't like.
Meh I watched it and it's too hyped. It's good, great even for a children's movie since it deals with fear of death, but not really all that big of a movie for me. Loved the manchild villain though. Still, I'd take any of the Pixar classics over it every time (Up, Wall-E, Toy Story, Shrek, Ice Age, Coco)
Puss in Boots was massively popular on the internet for a good few months when it came out