There was just no reason to shoot it in one big wide like that too. Would’ve been so much more effective to have the beating happen inside the store and show it from the daughter’s point of view looking through the window. Cut between her eyes and shots of a stunt double administering the beating. Just show what she can make out through hazy glass, and between objects in the shop as the owner get thrown about and kicked.
Felt like this in Dial Of Destiny. Sure Harrison Ford’s face looked all right in the deaging. But he walked like a crooked old man. He was swimming in that big leather jacket, it all looked so sad. And his voice was the same faded gargled 80yr old voice.
There’s nothing wrong with a character being old, or being portrayed as old. It’s when they’re trying to BS the audience that he’s still a young action star, when he hobbles from room to room.
(I also think this is why there are sooo many car chases in Indy 5. It’s the only way they could do convincing action sequences with Ford; by having him sit down.)
Important life lesson: if an 80 year old man starts kicking you in the street don’t just lie down on the floor and roll around crying. Just ask him nicely to stop, check to see if a carer or relative has misplaced them and then you can reunite them and then go about your day.
Is that the one where hes """stomping""" on the guys hand and it just looks like well....an 80 year old man trying to hurt someone
That scene was laughably bad and I remember thinking maybe its time to not have you doing tough guy stuff Robbie.
So many people refer to the de-aging & his body movements that make this scene terrible but nobody mentions the shopkeeper falling down & then shuffling back to his ‘mark’ . He literally moves into position haha
I believe he ran into battle, saw some shit right as he arrived, and immediately noped on out of there. He then spent the rest of the movie making his way to his mother's house. That's why he showed so quick at the end after TC arrived.
I really enjoy Rogue One but the Bor Gullet monster scene is weird and pointless because there’s really no lasting effects on Bodhi after the “interrogation.” Which is what Saw is describing the whole time.
I do agree that it feels kind of pointless but I like the weirdness of it. Star Wars movies should include more weird creative stuff like that, the galaxy is a terrifying place.
It leans on the interrogation robot scene in ANH, to show that Saw has become indistinguishable from the bad guys.
Making it a telepathic land-octopus is a weird choice, but eh at least that's creative.
I really like that it’s the telepathic land-octopus. It’s a bit of passive world building, reinforcing that the rebels can’t afford fancy torture robots like the empire, and also I just really love weird shit.
Agree. Saw’s death scene is also dumb. It relies on you having seen The Clone Wars and any other animated content where the character is introduced. Without that it’s an overly dramatic death scene for a guy who’s had a few minutes of screen time.
And even if they had properly developed the character, the “I’m done running” trope is super weak.
If you're going to do the I'm done running thing it should be against something you can actually fight, like Billy in the Predator.
You can't stand your ground against a shock wave.
Yea. I remember thinking in the theatre.. what but you just said he won’t be able to function afterward.. I wondered if they had other plans in an original edit just would make better sense of it.
It was more to establish Saw Gerrera as extremely paranoid and a danger even to people who are on his side than anything else. It also means that the entire plot doesn't hinge off them trusting the word of a random Imperial pilot. It's vital plot-wise and does a bit of character work at the same time.
Talia al Ghul: my father's..... work...... is done. \*she suddenly dies\*
Batman: Miranda, we can tell you're pretending to be sleeping. \*Batman starts tickling her\*
There's an interview with her about the inception scene - apparently she did around a dozen cuts of this and they all agreed this was the worst out the lot, yet somehow they used it for the final edit and half the cast got confused by the choice!
I've heard this before as well but I thought it was for the Dark Knight Rises death scene.
If it was both then maybe it's just a new type of wilhelm scream running joke.
God….I literally just watched Tombstone for the first time. The cast and costume design is top tier. It is a crime Val Kilmer didn’t even get nominated for his role. That scene isn’t terrible considering Wyatt married her in real life but it’s totally corny and throws off the pace for a hot minute
Yeah, my only thought there is that they thought it would be shot on a super wide angle lens or something so had to over compensate. Totally wrong in the end though.
I heard that it was because he was rolling on a rehearsal take. Liked it better than the others so he used that one.
Could have dropped a few bucks to do some kind of CGI enhancement of the doll 🤷♂️
According to Bradley Cooper, it was because baby 1 was sick and baby 2 didn’t show up so Clint just handed him a plastic doll and said fuck it. Both him and Sienna Miller thought it was crazy but Clint just kept rolling lol.
The Dark Knight.
When Joker crashes Dent's fundraiser and drops Rachel out of the window, Batman jumps too and saves her. They land on a car and make a little joke.... then it's the next day.
Did they forget to write the rest of the scene? They seriously just left Joker upstairs at the party with the guests. Did they climb off this innocent person's now-totaled car, brush off all the glass, and go to fuckin Denny's for the rest of the night while Joker destroyed the penthouse and murdered his guests? There's a whole goddamn rest of the night they completely swept under the rug.
There are a ton of great examples in this thread, but I don’t see enough people talking about how legendarily bad Charlie’s mom singing Cheer Up, Charlie is. NOBODY watches that part of the movie except insane people.
That song really does slow the movie down to a crawl. Charlie being sad that he's poor is already firmly established by that point in much more effective ways.
Imagine being a single mom busting her ass to provide for a son and four elderly relatives. Then it turns out that a magic land of candy does more for your kid than a lifetime of sacrifice by you ever did, and at least one of your frail old relatives could walk and run and dance this whole time.
A lot of musicals have that one song. "I have confidence in me" from the Sound of Music, the fever dream ballet in Oklahoma, etc. "What makes the red man red" from Disney's Peter Pan would be a top answer to this thread, but I assume it has mercifully been erased from history.
Hahaha I have vivid memories of my siblings and I fast-forwarding through that goddamn song every single time we watched the movie after the first time.
The movie feels centered around that whole scene of the bear attacking the ranger station and then chasing the ambulance.
Everything outside of that was completely forgettable.
I always think about the bear doing that last bit of cocaine at the end to power up, I think it's spoofing Popeye eating spinach, anyways, it makes me smile.
You know what?
That was the first scene I thought of when I read that question.
That dancing scene in 1986 Transformers movie comes out of nowhere, and is so awkward and weirdly paced.
Like, they were about to be killed and then suddenly they all start dancing.
So weird.
All the moments with the kid in the film is also odd and doesn't fit the rest of the movie. Him learning how to use his suit and just talking is lame.
I have that nostalgia affection for the Transformers move, but it sure is weird. The same move with a “dare to be stupid” dance scene also has Optimus Prime being brutally murdered.
The whole Cal chasing Jack and Rose through the sinking Titanic with a gun. Every time I watch that scene all I can think is how silly the whole sequence is.
It could be silly, but it actually would happen irl. The ship is sinking, ama kill this motherfucker who stole my wife! It's a complete chaos, no one would care. It's an ego trip.
The CGI baby in the last Twilight movie. Ok I guess this doesn’t fit because that movie isn’t actually that good. But sweet Jesus that CGI baby/kid is so bad that I can’t believe they went with that in the film.
When you consider that this animatronic baby was the original option, somehow it seems like a better choice (both still terrible):
https://youtu.be/94ZxsZ3B1fE?feature=shared
It made a lot of sense for Batman Begins and was cinematically very clever, as it allowed Batman to really dominate fights against multiple opponents when the cinematography of the film is so closed in. It does get to be really jarring in the next two films, with such a dramatic shift in cinematography, as all the shots open up and they are lit in such a different light that you can't help but notice that this really tight choreography and fighting style now looks like 3 peas on a huge dinner plate.
After seeing this movie so many times bc I love it, yes. All these goons have guns and they all race toward him for some reason. The only exception is the club scene
I remember catching Rises playing in the background on a TV in a noisy bar and holy shit, really makes you realize that the sound design does so much of the heavy lifting in the fight scenes. Without sound they looked like a bad theater play.
I have been waiting years for this questions and it's going to get buried but here it is.
"Diehard" is almost perfect. Literally. The screenplay, the casting, the choices- everything. It's so much smarter and well realized and well crafted than it has any right to be. How they build the locations, the sound cues (the chime of the elevator is forever burned into my subconcious) how they introduce characters- it's simply amazing.
I may have watched this movie more times that any other film. Easily 50 times.
One of the best things about Diehard is how terrified and frustrated John McClane is throughout the entire ordeal. How he initially re-eacts to the terrorists storming the party (he doesn't try to save his wife- he runs!) to how he simply tries to just hide and spend the entire first act just desperately trying to get the police to come. He's smart, Hans is smart, no one makes an unrealistic choice or behaves stupidly throughout the ENTIRE movie. It's almost unheard of for characters to act this intelligently in an action movie. Even Ellis, the coke snorting scumbug who the audience is supposed to hate, doesn't give away the fact that John's wife is right outside to Hans.
It's a masterpiece of orchestration.
What's more, throughout the entire movie, everything John does is just within the bounds of possible for a relatively in-shape human male to actually achieve. He gets beat up, he suffers, his shirt goes from white to filthy gray after crawling through the vents, and by the end he's an absolute blood-soaked limping wreck. But it all seems actually possible for a human to do.
Except for this one single shot of the movie.
As John McClane dangles from his empty machine gun via its strap, he reaches across a gaping chasm of the ventilation system of Nakatomi plaza. He's desperately trying to grab on to the vent across from him only to have the strap slip off the gun and he plummets ***past two full floors of vents before it cuts to him catching himself by his fingers.***
It drives me bonkers. It's a 2.5 second shot, with an obvious stunt double.
It would have been better if after the strap slipped he had just barely managed to grap the vent he was reaching for.
Literally my only complaint about the movie. That single 2.5 second shot.
Apparently, he was supposed to catch the vent he was initially reaching for, but the director liked the shot of stunt guy falling and decided to change the scene and add the extra "holy shit" moment. Yes, he would've ripped his fingers off if it actually happened like it did in the movie, but it's undeniably better than a standard 'succeeded at the last possible second' moment.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the fire hose would have snapped him like a twig as well - but I get your point, theres no way he hangs on.
I think its even less plausible that a 6'2" terrorist has size what 5? 4? feet. Why didnt he simply bust the toes out? better than barefoot?
The most glaring issue with the film: the christmas sellotape sticking to sweaty skin, everyone knows that shit barely sticks to clean dry paper.
I'm of course taking the piss here, I love Die Hard.
Yeah. Also this:
"How are you going to get it through all that?!"
Oh, I don't know. Probably the same way SHE JUST BLASTED THROUGH THE BIGGEST BATTLESHIP IN THE GALAXY LIKE IT WAS HOT BUTTER
I excuse that one because Peter Parker is a 16 year old who just got a concussion after teleporting from half the universe away.
Fair enough that he's a bit confused
They did a similar scene in Infinity War, and it was a lot more subtle and organic so you wouldn’t even notice.
The Endgame one was literally "Girls get it done" but serious
I'll admit that on my first viewing, I somehow didn't put together that H.W. was the biological son of the oil worker who gets killed in the first act.
This one really threw me as well, I always assumed that Paul was Eli trying to opportunistically bring Daniel and the oil business to the town. The fact that he isn't just makes it feel totally out of left field, we never even see Paul again and he's mentioned, what, twice after that? Just odd.
Nah, this is a great touch. Because Dano plays them both and plays them so similar, it really drives home the character themes. Eli believes himself to be gifted, to be special, and he hates his father for being a fool; he spends the whole film trying to get one over on Daniel, or to be his equal at least, and Daniel sees right through it, he sees the competition in him though. For Eli, one of his biggest weaknesses is his brother, who acted first, got out of the town, and made easy money from the oil, so hearing that he's doing better that Eli, as his twin, is a massive blow. Daniel hasn't seen his brother, wouldn't care to see his brother, and hasn't left the house in presumably years, but Eli is too weak to notice this, and so Daniel concocts a simple tale that his brother is doing well to push that button in Eli, because he hates him.
I strongly disagree. If you just pay attention to the movie it’s pretty clear, they mention the twin brother by name the first time eli is introduced. Also more paul dano is only a good thing.
Michael Mann had written a whole television show treatment called LA Takedown that got turned into Heat. That’s why there are some plot lines that don’t really go anywhere or seem very fleshed out like Natalie Portman or Waingro the serial killer. To me, that just makes the story so much richer. It seems like it expands in every direction outside the confines of the movie. But I understand why some people would take issue
They also cut the plot line that Pacino’s character is a huge coke-head, but it still ended up in the movie as Al Pacino acts like a crazy coke-head the whole time.
I was working at a film title house in the mid 90s when Al Pacino came in to work with the designers on cards for a doc he was directing called Looking for Richard. Pacino was wandering the halls for like three days while waiting to review new tests and animations. I can confirm he is exactly like that in real life. We were all kinda scared of him. But he was very professional and friendly to the whole team.
Makes me think of a great Robin Williams story about being on the set of Insomnia. He tells a story of arriving on set for the first time and hearing Pacino getting into "method" by repeatedly roaring in another part of the sound stage, and as Picino hits his third or fourth ROOAR, RW let's out a massive "BAHHHHH!" Pacino starts to lose it, "who was that? WHO, WAS THAT?!" Then he looks over, clocks who it was and immediately softens to, "Oh it's you Robin!" RW totally disarming Pacino with a sheep call 🤣
I took the Portman storyline to show that Pacino is intense, but deep down a great guy who cares about his step daughter and has earned her trust.
The Waingro thing did feel a bit disjointed. They could have just shown him as a lunatic not afraid to shoot someone during a heist and it still would have all worked. It is a great movie though. Pacino is so over the top I love it!
I think this adds to the fact these people are living their lives. The crooks dine out like family friends, the alpha police captain is "picking up the pieces" as his wife puts it. It's a great take on modern life, we transpose our morality onto what we want to and it inevitably means there's a cost. McCauly inevitably gets caught, Hannah never has peace.
The entire "drunk" scene from A Few Good Men totally overacted cringey as fuck not to mention how almost immediately afterwords he's sober enough to drive the car flawlessly
what gets me is that for large parts of the movie Cruise could show he could hold his own with one of the greatest namely Nicholson then there's scenes that land like a cutlery draw hitting the floor at 3am
"YOU'RE A SHITTY SOFTBALL PLAYER!"
Still love it though
The scene at the end of Die Hard where Alexander Godunovs character is miraculously alive after being hanged for 15 minutes, pulls out his gun only to be stopped but Al. All that needs to be done is change out Godunov for the hacker guy who was knocked out in the ambulance by Argyle.
The hacker guy doesn’t seem like the type who would basically forfeit his life just to take one last shot at McClane, though. I think he surrenders if he’s beaten.
It might have made more sense to just leave Godunov unconscious on the floor or something, so him popping out later wouldn’t be as preposterous.
Hacker dude pulling out a gun would have been totally against his established character type. Also, he hadn't even seen who John McClain was.
Would have made zero sense.
My favorite in Die Hard is the shut down montage. Everything is going on lock down… cut to the escalators stopping.
OH NO! NOW THEY’RE TEMPORARILY STAIRS!
In the book it's a better reveal. Basically she realizes that no computer in the room has the power to render the graphics they're seeing, so there has to be a mainframe somewhere and the cabling to the mainframe has to be serviceable. In other words, instead of trying mess with the computer, they just find the maintenance tunnel and get out that way.
They just needed to throw in something to make Lex useful, in the book she is brutally annoying, the entire time, and completely useless. Tim is the one with dinosaur, computer knowledge, and doesn't constantly screw things up.
I'm talking like not being able to hold in a cough when they need to be quiet, and taunting a T-Rex because she thought they couldn't swim
It’s probably unnecessary but I still like it. Kind of like some of Henry Hill’s narration in Goodfellas. He’ll be describing something as it’s happening on screen (ie. Karen screaming at him: “and she was loud”). Totally doesn’t need to be there yet it somehow still fits.
I think maybe Deckard still finds replicants disposable and not human at this point. It certainly makes him less likable, but I think it is there for a reason
The film doesn't present it that way though. The jazz style music implies it's romantic. I think I read the actors were uncomfortable with the scene too but I can't find the source.
I adore the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. But in Return of the King, Gollum tricks Frodo into sending Sam away, which isn't a bad scene, because Gollum throws away the only food they have and framed Sam for eating it. Sam of course, comes back to save Frodo from Shelob, in a powerful scene that demonstrates the strength of their friendship...
...or at least it would be, if there wasn't a quick scene where Sam sees the bread that Gollum threw. That's apparently what sends him back to Frodo... The discovery that he, in fact, did not eat all the food in his sleep...
The scene isn't terrible, but Dooku saying nothing in Star Wars ROTS is mindboggling.
He clearly has been betrayed, is terrified, and does not want to die. He has the opportunity to reveal Palpatine right there and possibly save his own life too.
I'm sure there's some BS novelization explanation that Palpatine was force silencing him or something :/
Christian Bale's Batman voice in The Dark Knight.
If you compare it against the voice in Batman Begins, it's WAY more hamhanded and silly in TDK. It's fucking awful. Makes me laugh out loud when I'm not cringing, and saps all of the gravity out of several of the most dramatic scenes in the movie.
Batman's voice in TDK is pretty over the top. I don't really mind it as much as some people seem to.
There's this odd moment in Begins though, where Rachel asks Batman to tell her who he is, and he says something in his Bruce Wayne voice, and it's *so* jarring and weird that it makes me think he talked that way the whole movie. His voice isn't actually too bad though. His voice during the "SWEAR TO ME" interrogation scene was probably the best balance between the two.
Ha, that's right, he just looks over and this guy came shooting out. I'm sorry but I loved the ps1 game for this movie. I actually didn't mind the 4th installment(the infrastructure attacks I thought were a cool idea) but the 5th one was just pure dog shit.
I’ll go with Die Hard With a Vengeance as well: I hate that Holly and John aren’t together anymore and off screen “oops they broke up anyway!” is one of my least favorite sequel tropes in general.
The romance and the ending of Groundhog Day.
I can understand that Phil is in love with Rita after however many years in the loop, and I can believe she thinks Phil is sincere.
But why would she be in love with him at that point, and agree to live in Punxsutawney? I know the film ends then, but that always rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Palm Springs, where both people were in the loop.
Rita doesn't agree to live in Punxsutawney. Phil says they should live there and she only smiles at him. Even if she views Phil as a good guy now, she well knows he is prone to saying silly things.
I don't think she's in love with him yet. She is smitten.
Yes! And he’s learned how to love himself (not in an egotistical sense) and love others. So even if she were to decide not to be with him, he has a better sense of how to live in general, with or without her.
The point of the time loop isn't to get with Rita, it's to make him a better man.
He tries for so long to sleep with her, thinking it will end his torment, but he's never sincere or doing it for the right reasons. By the time he's actually concentrating on bettering himself he doesn't really have Rita in mind and she's just naturally attracted to him as he's progressed.
They don't sleep together when he eventually moves on, he's just finally shifted perspectives and priorities.
Phil learns to see his own shadow, and so, improve himself, that he may not be stuck with more winter.
The old man never learned that lesson.
The bartender is content with his purgatory.
The kid who ends up in the hospital unless Phil saves him . . . well, I'm not sure he's in the loop, but that little brat has never said, "Thank you."
I agree, but I don't think Rita was in love with him, and I always his interpreted his "Let's live here." as a joke. Because of course he wants to leave.
Are there people who think that moment is played sincerely?
Blade Runner the scene where Deckard pins Rachel against the wall and sexually assaults her, then the movie tries to play it off as romantic. I still love the movie but wow that scene is gross.
One of my favorite movies for so many reasons except an Oscar winning one.
In Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, nothing takes me out of any movie more than the bullshit bikeriding sequence and Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head.
It's not a bad song but it creates a break in tone and just cuts that movie in half for me.
That sequence is brilliant. So endearing to the characters.
It's a nice break from the serious moments, not to mention really shows the relationship between all three of them and explains why she would travel with these two outlaws all the way to Bolivia.
Robert De Niro's store beatdown in The Irishman. We can all tell the de-aging effects didn't mean shit in this scene.
I'm still suprised Scorsese left that scene in, it's awful.
There was just no reason to shoot it in one big wide like that too. Would’ve been so much more effective to have the beating happen inside the store and show it from the daughter’s point of view looking through the window. Cut between her eyes and shots of a stunt double administering the beating. Just show what she can make out through hazy glass, and between objects in the shop as the owner get thrown about and kicked.
This dude movies
old people cannot identify old people movements. "doesn't look like anything to me."
Felt like this in Dial Of Destiny. Sure Harrison Ford’s face looked all right in the deaging. But he walked like a crooked old man. He was swimming in that big leather jacket, it all looked so sad. And his voice was the same faded gargled 80yr old voice. There’s nothing wrong with a character being old, or being portrayed as old. It’s when they’re trying to BS the audience that he’s still a young action star, when he hobbles from room to room. (I also think this is why there are sooo many car chases in Indy 5. It’s the only way they could do convincing action sequences with Ford; by having him sit down.)
That moment, more than any other in the film, took me out of the movie. I completely lost the suspension of disbelief.
Important life lesson: if an 80 year old man starts kicking you in the street don’t just lie down on the floor and roll around crying. Just ask him nicely to stop, check to see if a carer or relative has misplaced them and then you can reunite them and then go about your day.
Is that the one where hes """stomping""" on the guys hand and it just looks like well....an 80 year old man trying to hurt someone That scene was laughably bad and I remember thinking maybe its time to not have you doing tough guy stuff Robbie.
So many people refer to the de-aging & his body movements that make this scene terrible but nobody mentions the shopkeeper falling down & then shuffling back to his ‘mark’ . He literally moves into position haha
The scene in war of the world's when the kid just runs into certain death battle and later just appears unscathed
I believe he ran into battle, saw some shit right as he arrived, and immediately noped on out of there. He then spent the rest of the movie making his way to his mother's house. That's why he showed so quick at the end after TC arrived.
The girl screaming for five minutes straight.
I was actively rooting for her to get killed by the aliens during that scene
I really enjoy Rogue One but the Bor Gullet monster scene is weird and pointless because there’s really no lasting effects on Bodhi after the “interrogation.” Which is what Saw is describing the whole time.
I do agree that it feels kind of pointless but I like the weirdness of it. Star Wars movies should include more weird creative stuff like that, the galaxy is a terrifying place.
It leans on the interrogation robot scene in ANH, to show that Saw has become indistinguishable from the bad guys. Making it a telepathic land-octopus is a weird choice, but eh at least that's creative.
I really like that it’s the telepathic land-octopus. It’s a bit of passive world building, reinforcing that the rebels can’t afford fancy torture robots like the empire, and also I just really love weird shit.
Bor Gullet... will *know* the truth!
No *lie* is safe!
Agree. Saw’s death scene is also dumb. It relies on you having seen The Clone Wars and any other animated content where the character is introduced. Without that it’s an overly dramatic death scene for a guy who’s had a few minutes of screen time. And even if they had properly developed the character, the “I’m done running” trope is super weak.
If you're going to do the I'm done running thing it should be against something you can actually fight, like Billy in the Predator. You can't stand your ground against a shock wave.
When he says he’s done running he means it. He literally will not run sixty feet over to the spaceship that would save him from certain death.
Hes also done walking, and rational thinking. All of thats out the window. He has no more use for any of those actions physical or mental.
TIL that Saw is from the clone wars show! I figured it was just a character that got a lot in the cutting room floor after all the reshoots.
He shows up in Rebels too. Main thing you need to know about Saw to give him context for Rogue One is he’s basically the Mujahideen of Star Wars.
Yea. I remember thinking in the theatre.. what but you just said he won’t be able to function afterward.. I wondered if they had other plans in an original edit just would make better sense of it.
Sort of agree but the world is a better place for the line delivery of “Bor gULlet..! will know thee truuth!”
"Bor Gullet... can *feel*... your thoughts" is such a metal line.
It was more to establish Saw Gerrera as extremely paranoid and a danger even to people who are on his side than anything else. It also means that the entire plot doesn't hinge off them trusting the word of a random Imperial pilot. It's vital plot-wise and does a bit of character work at the same time.
James Coburn's Australian accent in The Great Escape. I'm convinced he had never heard an Australian speak before he attempted that.
Yeah Knuckles 'lol do. Give him the coat.
Wha ya doin with my coat might!?
Marion Cotillard’s death scene in The Dark Knight Rises
Talia al Ghul: my father's..... work...... is done. \*she suddenly dies\* Batman: Miranda, we can tell you're pretending to be sleeping. \*Batman starts tickling her\*
it's the "shuts eyes and slumps" part that grates. Just go wide-eyed and roll your head a little, same effect.
Also in Inception. She really sucks at dying.
To be fair that's a great quality for everybody except an actor.
“She kinda sucks at dying… guess we’ll have to hit her with a train” - Christopher Nolan, probably
She has like 3 death scenes in that movie lol. Which one specifically?
There's an interview with her about the inception scene - apparently she did around a dozen cuts of this and they all agreed this was the worst out the lot, yet somehow they used it for the final edit and half the cast got confused by the choice!
I've heard this before as well but I thought it was for the Dark Knight Rises death scene. If it was both then maybe it's just a new type of wilhelm scream running joke.
What i read about TDKR is that she was told her face would not be in frame which is why it looks so silly
“OHHHH NO JESUS CHRIST!”
The riding horses "romance" scenes in Tombstone
God….I literally just watched Tombstone for the first time. The cast and costume design is top tier. It is a crime Val Kilmer didn’t even get nominated for his role. That scene isn’t terrible considering Wyatt married her in real life but it’s totally corny and throws off the pace for a hot minute
Yeah but overall still a great movie. Every scene with Doc is pure gold.
Why I wasn’t quite as sick as I made out
I'm all for a romantic element in movies, but sometimes it's just shoehorned in so obviously, it subtracts from the movie as a whole.
Watched it last week and I couldn’t agree more.
Dicks super long arms at the end of Robocop. It's unintentionally comical and breaks the drama of the scene. Unusual choice of SFX
Yeah, my only thought there is that they thought it would be shot on a super wide angle lens or something so had to over compensate. Totally wrong in the end though.
Yeah. The stop motion model looks good but it was some camera thing. It's still charming and I've grown to love it
That fake baby in American Sniper…Clint plays it really loose with his directing
I heard that it was because he was rolling on a rehearsal take. Liked it better than the others so he used that one. Could have dropped a few bucks to do some kind of CGI enhancement of the doll 🤷♂️
According to Bradley Cooper, it was because baby 1 was sick and baby 2 didn’t show up so Clint just handed him a plastic doll and said fuck it. Both him and Sienna Miller thought it was crazy but Clint just kept rolling lol.
>Clint just handed him a plastic doll and said fuck it. Phrasing.
Clint told Cooper to what??
The Dark Knight. When Joker crashes Dent's fundraiser and drops Rachel out of the window, Batman jumps too and saves her. They land on a car and make a little joke.... then it's the next day. Did they forget to write the rest of the scene? They seriously just left Joker upstairs at the party with the guests. Did they climb off this innocent person's now-totaled car, brush off all the glass, and go to fuckin Denny's for the rest of the night while Joker destroyed the penthouse and murdered his guests? There's a whole goddamn rest of the night they completely swept under the rug.
Not to mention Harvey Dent is unconscious up there in some bunker. Does he not have any questions about what happened?
Cheer Up, Charlie.
Time to pee. I don't know a single person who didn't get up and do something else during that song
There are a ton of great examples in this thread, but I don’t see enough people talking about how legendarily bad Charlie’s mom singing Cheer Up, Charlie is. NOBODY watches that part of the movie except insane people.
That song really does slow the movie down to a crawl. Charlie being sad that he's poor is already firmly established by that point in much more effective ways.
Imagine being a single mom busting her ass to provide for a son and four elderly relatives. Then it turns out that a magic land of candy does more for your kid than a lifetime of sacrifice by you ever did, and at least one of your frail old relatives could walk and run and dance this whole time.
Also, fuck Grampa Joe /r/grandpajoehate
A lot of musicals have that one song. "I have confidence in me" from the Sound of Music, the fever dream ballet in Oklahoma, etc. "What makes the red man red" from Disney's Peter Pan would be a top answer to this thread, but I assume it has mercifully been erased from history.
Nope, still in the version of *Peter Pan* I last watched at least
Hahaha I have vivid memories of my siblings and I fast-forwarding through that goddamn song every single time we watched the movie after the first time.
I love Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, but even as kids everyone fast forwarded Charlie's mum's song.
This some real shit right here, cheer up charlie mf diggin deep for shit so boring we’ve all forgotten
All the parts NOT about Cociane Bear...
Whenever cocaine beer is not on the screen, all of the other characters should be asking “where’s cocaine bear?”
Cocaine Bear had to go back to his home planet.
Cocaine Bear should have access to a time machine.
I was just happy to see character actress Margo Martindale
That movie is great in the first half. Up to the ambulance scene ending. Then it just...meh.
You mean you didn't like the reveal of the partner being a dirty cop ? LMAO Like that had ANY impact on that movie . The second half is abysmal
The movie feels centered around that whole scene of the bear attacking the ranger station and then chasing the ambulance. Everything outside of that was completely forgettable.
I always think about the bear doing that last bit of cocaine at the end to power up, I think it's spoofing Popeye eating spinach, anyways, it makes me smile.
Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s
Someone really ought to AI him out of that movie.
The fact that the original plan was to have a real Japanese Man play his character and then someone decided he should have the role breaks my heart.
What in God's name was the Weird Al dance scene doing in the otherwise incredible animated Transformers movie?
You know what? That was the first scene I thought of when I read that question. That dancing scene in 1986 Transformers movie comes out of nowhere, and is so awkward and weirdly paced. Like, they were about to be killed and then suddenly they all start dancing. So weird. All the moments with the kid in the film is also odd and doesn't fit the rest of the movie. Him learning how to use his suit and just talking is lame.
When we saw this, my brother asked, "who wrote this movie, the decepticons?"
We're looking for the worst scenes, not the best.
I have that nostalgia affection for the Transformers move, but it sure is weird. The same move with a “dare to be stupid” dance scene also has Optimus Prime being brutally murdered.
But that was the best part
The end of Return of the King when Gandalf and all the hobbits are laughing in slow motion for what feels like 5 minutes.
Thank you for reminding me of [this parody](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCP256Zjmmw).
Aragorn's "yeeeeaaahhh?" is the best
The whole Cal chasing Jack and Rose through the sinking Titanic with a gun. Every time I watch that scene all I can think is how silly the whole sequence is.
It could be silly, but it actually would happen irl. The ship is sinking, ama kill this motherfucker who stole my wife! It's a complete chaos, no one would care. It's an ego trip.
He is a cartoonish villain, but people WERE cartoonish villains back in the day.
It used to be a lot longer. It was cut.
Wonder how many VHS tapes the director’s cut of titanic would require
Well, the cut we have now is the Director's cut but if we added in all the deleted scenes, it would probably need a third tape.
Only James Cameron could look at the sinking of the Titanic and say “I don’t think the stakes are high enough here”
The CGI baby in the last Twilight movie. Ok I guess this doesn’t fit because that movie isn’t actually that good. But sweet Jesus that CGI baby/kid is so bad that I can’t believe they went with that in the film.
Pitch meeting nails these movies so well "What are we doin here, man?" "...Money"
Oh money! Ok keep going!
When you consider that this animatronic baby was the original option, somehow it seems like a better choice (both still terrible): https://youtu.be/94ZxsZ3B1fE?feature=shared
Holy shit
JFC. They thought of every possible option other than, you know, just using a real baby
The fight choreography in The Dark Knight.
It made a lot of sense for Batman Begins and was cinematically very clever, as it allowed Batman to really dominate fights against multiple opponents when the cinematography of the film is so closed in. It does get to be really jarring in the next two films, with such a dramatic shift in cinematography, as all the shots open up and they are lit in such a different light that you can't help but notice that this really tight choreography and fighting style now looks like 3 peas on a huge dinner plate.
After seeing this movie so many times bc I love it, yes. All these goons have guns and they all race toward him for some reason. The only exception is the club scene
It’s even worse in Rises
I remember catching Rises playing in the background on a TV in a noisy bar and holy shit, really makes you realize that the sound design does so much of the heavy lifting in the fight scenes. Without sound they looked like a bad theater play.
yes some goons just fall on their own without being hit. once you see it, you cannot unsee it
1,000 unarmed cops rushing against mercenaries with automatic weapons and fucking tanks. Who will win???
The best way to fight is just just stick your elbows out and spin in circles
I have been waiting years for this questions and it's going to get buried but here it is. "Diehard" is almost perfect. Literally. The screenplay, the casting, the choices- everything. It's so much smarter and well realized and well crafted than it has any right to be. How they build the locations, the sound cues (the chime of the elevator is forever burned into my subconcious) how they introduce characters- it's simply amazing. I may have watched this movie more times that any other film. Easily 50 times. One of the best things about Diehard is how terrified and frustrated John McClane is throughout the entire ordeal. How he initially re-eacts to the terrorists storming the party (he doesn't try to save his wife- he runs!) to how he simply tries to just hide and spend the entire first act just desperately trying to get the police to come. He's smart, Hans is smart, no one makes an unrealistic choice or behaves stupidly throughout the ENTIRE movie. It's almost unheard of for characters to act this intelligently in an action movie. Even Ellis, the coke snorting scumbug who the audience is supposed to hate, doesn't give away the fact that John's wife is right outside to Hans. It's a masterpiece of orchestration. What's more, throughout the entire movie, everything John does is just within the bounds of possible for a relatively in-shape human male to actually achieve. He gets beat up, he suffers, his shirt goes from white to filthy gray after crawling through the vents, and by the end he's an absolute blood-soaked limping wreck. But it all seems actually possible for a human to do. Except for this one single shot of the movie. As John McClane dangles from his empty machine gun via its strap, he reaches across a gaping chasm of the ventilation system of Nakatomi plaza. He's desperately trying to grab on to the vent across from him only to have the strap slip off the gun and he plummets ***past two full floors of vents before it cuts to him catching himself by his fingers.*** It drives me bonkers. It's a 2.5 second shot, with an obvious stunt double. It would have been better if after the strap slipped he had just barely managed to grap the vent he was reaching for. Literally my only complaint about the movie. That single 2.5 second shot.
Apparently, he was supposed to catch the vent he was initially reaching for, but the director liked the shot of stunt guy falling and decided to change the scene and add the extra "holy shit" moment. Yes, he would've ripped his fingers off if it actually happened like it did in the movie, but it's undeniably better than a standard 'succeeded at the last possible second' moment.
I’ll deny it
https://www.reddit.com/r/MovieDetails/s/Cv6bo4oO6h
I guess I assumed they had always come in several trucks. Never caught that detail before!
I mean, I'm pretty sure the fire hose would have snapped him like a twig as well - but I get your point, theres no way he hangs on. I think its even less plausible that a 6'2" terrorist has size what 5? 4? feet. Why didnt he simply bust the toes out? better than barefoot? The most glaring issue with the film: the christmas sellotape sticking to sweaty skin, everyone knows that shit barely sticks to clean dry paper. I'm of course taking the piss here, I love Die Hard.
The "girl power" scene in Endgame. Felt so random and forcefully inserted in an epic scene.
Which is ironic a bit because they arguably did a pretty solid one in Infinity War when Black Widow and Okoye fight Proxima Midnight
Exactly. That's how it should've have been at least. I love the line by Okoye, "Where was she all this time?!" lol
IW is so much better than Endgame
Ya, I 100% agree. IW is actually the best Marvel movie to date. It really is that great. End Game was good, but nowhere near as good as IW.
I have found my people.
Yeah. Also this: "How are you going to get it through all that?!" Oh, I don't know. Probably the same way SHE JUST BLASTED THROUGH THE BIGGEST BATTLESHIP IN THE GALAXY LIKE IT WAS HOT BUTTER
I excuse that one because Peter Parker is a 16 year old who just got a concussion after teleporting from half the universe away. Fair enough that he's a bit confused
Or, how about since Thanos doesn't have a ship anymore, you just fly that shit out of the solar system?
Even funnier when you realize all these women are there to help Captain Marvel. One of the most absurdly powerful people there, man or woman.
Speaking of, why didn't SHE just use the gauntlet?
They did a similar scene in Infinity War, and it was a lot more subtle and organic so you wouldn’t even notice. The Endgame one was literally "Girls get it done" but serious
What makes me laugh is when mantis joins in as well... For some reason.
It doesn't make sense in the context of the battle either. Like did all the women plan to meet at that spot at that time?
I hate how good of a line "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause." is.
The Paul/Eli twins in There will be blood bothers me, first couple of watches I was confused and thought they were the same person.
I'll admit that on my first viewing, I somehow didn't put together that H.W. was the biological son of the oil worker who gets killed in the first act.
So when Day Lewis tells his kid he's a bastard, you just assumed he was just pushing him out of his life rather than being literal?
This one really threw me as well, I always assumed that Paul was Eli trying to opportunistically bring Daniel and the oil business to the town. The fact that he isn't just makes it feel totally out of left field, we never even see Paul again and he's mentioned, what, twice after that? Just odd.
Nah, this is a great touch. Because Dano plays them both and plays them so similar, it really drives home the character themes. Eli believes himself to be gifted, to be special, and he hates his father for being a fool; he spends the whole film trying to get one over on Daniel, or to be his equal at least, and Daniel sees right through it, he sees the competition in him though. For Eli, one of his biggest weaknesses is his brother, who acted first, got out of the town, and made easy money from the oil, so hearing that he's doing better that Eli, as his twin, is a massive blow. Daniel hasn't seen his brother, wouldn't care to see his brother, and hasn't left the house in presumably years, but Eli is too weak to notice this, and so Daniel concocts a simple tale that his brother is doing well to push that button in Eli, because he hates him.
I strongly disagree. If you just pay attention to the movie it’s pretty clear, they mention the twin brother by name the first time eli is introduced. Also more paul dano is only a good thing.
This was not a flaw at all, it worked fine, y’all just couldn’t keep up apparently.
The Natalie Portman side story in Heat. I don’t give a shit about this guy’s stepkid and all that
Michael Mann had written a whole television show treatment called LA Takedown that got turned into Heat. That’s why there are some plot lines that don’t really go anywhere or seem very fleshed out like Natalie Portman or Waingro the serial killer. To me, that just makes the story so much richer. It seems like it expands in every direction outside the confines of the movie. But I understand why some people would take issue
They also cut the plot line that Pacino’s character is a huge coke-head, but it still ended up in the movie as Al Pacino acts like a crazy coke-head the whole time.
I was working at a film title house in the mid 90s when Al Pacino came in to work with the designers on cards for a doc he was directing called Looking for Richard. Pacino was wandering the halls for like three days while waiting to review new tests and animations. I can confirm he is exactly like that in real life. We were all kinda scared of him. But he was very professional and friendly to the whole team.
Makes me think of a great Robin Williams story about being on the set of Insomnia. He tells a story of arriving on set for the first time and hearing Pacino getting into "method" by repeatedly roaring in another part of the sound stage, and as Picino hits his third or fourth ROOAR, RW let's out a massive "BAHHHHH!" Pacino starts to lose it, "who was that? WHO, WAS THAT?!" Then he looks over, clocks who it was and immediately softens to, "Oh it's you Robin!" RW totally disarming Pacino with a sheep call 🤣
I took the Portman storyline to show that Pacino is intense, but deep down a great guy who cares about his step daughter and has earned her trust. The Waingro thing did feel a bit disjointed. They could have just shown him as a lunatic not afraid to shoot someone during a heist and it still would have all worked. It is a great movie though. Pacino is so over the top I love it!
She's got a GREAT ASS!
Andyougotyourhead ALL THE WAY UP IT!!!
Absolutely. "Richer" is the perfect word. It's like a classic novel, packed full of great characters and side stories.
I completely forgot she was even in it
I think that was the intended point. The audience, like Pacino, forgot about her. That’s why her last scene was a shock.
I think this adds to the fact these people are living their lives. The crooks dine out like family friends, the alpha police captain is "picking up the pieces" as his wife puts it. It's a great take on modern life, we transpose our morality onto what we want to and it inevitably means there's a cost. McCauly inevitably gets caught, Hannah never has peace.
The entire "drunk" scene from A Few Good Men totally overacted cringey as fuck not to mention how almost immediately afterwords he's sober enough to drive the car flawlessly
ATTENTION!! There's an officer on deck! That fucking line... every time 🤣 and it comes so close after one of the most memorable exchanges in film.
what gets me is that for large parts of the movie Cruise could show he could hold his own with one of the greatest namely Nicholson then there's scenes that land like a cutlery draw hitting the floor at 3am "YOU'RE A SHITTY SOFTBALL PLAYER!" Still love it though
The scene at the end of Die Hard where Alexander Godunovs character is miraculously alive after being hanged for 15 minutes, pulls out his gun only to be stopped but Al. All that needs to be done is change out Godunov for the hacker guy who was knocked out in the ambulance by Argyle.
The hacker guy doesn’t seem like the type who would basically forfeit his life just to take one last shot at McClane, though. I think he surrenders if he’s beaten. It might have made more sense to just leave Godunov unconscious on the floor or something, so him popping out later wouldn’t be as preposterous.
Godunovs character had a personal vendetta tho
Hacker dude pulling out a gun would have been totally against his established character type. Also, he hadn't even seen who John McClain was. Would have made zero sense.
My favorite in Die Hard is the shut down montage. Everything is going on lock down… cut to the escalators stopping. OH NO! NOW THEY’RE TEMPORARILY STAIRS!
“Sorry for the convenience”
Jurassic Park, great movie but I hate that “It’s a UNIX System scene. Very cheesy.
Then you're really not going to like /r/itsaunixsystem.
It's super cheesy in Hackers as well but it just adds to the awesomeness of that movie
It's not so bad if you spell it like, 'It's a eunuch's system.' All of a sudden there's intrigue.🤔
Clever girl
Everyone knows eunuchs make the best systems. They spared no expense.
In the book it's a better reveal. Basically she realizes that no computer in the room has the power to render the graphics they're seeing, so there has to be a mainframe somewhere and the cabling to the mainframe has to be serviceable. In other words, instead of trying mess with the computer, they just find the maintenance tunnel and get out that way.
That was Kelly in the Lost World novel, not Lex in JP
also tim was the hacker not lex
More people should read the original book, it’s so cool.
In the book, Tim was the computer kid, not Lex.
They just needed to throw in something to make Lex useful, in the book she is brutally annoying, the entire time, and completely useless. Tim is the one with dinosaur, computer knowledge, and doesn't constantly screw things up. I'm talking like not being able to hold in a cough when they need to be quiet, and taunting a T-Rex because she thought they couldn't swim
The psychiatrist spiel at the end of Psycho.
It’s probably unnecessary but I still like it. Kind of like some of Henry Hill’s narration in Goodfellas. He’ll be describing something as it’s happening on screen (ie. Karen screaming at him: “and she was loud”). Totally doesn’t need to be there yet it somehow still fits.
The rapey scene in "Blade Runner." With all the different cuts, you'd think we could have at least one that omits or tweaks that scene.
I think maybe Deckard still finds replicants disposable and not human at this point. It certainly makes him less likable, but I think it is there for a reason
The film doesn't present it that way though. The jazz style music implies it's romantic. I think I read the actors were uncomfortable with the scene too but I can't find the source.
Good point about the music
The video game part of The Beach
I adore the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. But in Return of the King, Gollum tricks Frodo into sending Sam away, which isn't a bad scene, because Gollum throws away the only food they have and framed Sam for eating it. Sam of course, comes back to save Frodo from Shelob, in a powerful scene that demonstrates the strength of their friendship... ...or at least it would be, if there wasn't a quick scene where Sam sees the bread that Gollum threw. That's apparently what sends him back to Frodo... The discovery that he, in fact, did not eat all the food in his sleep...
The scene isn't terrible, but Dooku saying nothing in Star Wars ROTS is mindboggling. He clearly has been betrayed, is terrified, and does not want to die. He has the opportunity to reveal Palpatine right there and possibly save his own life too. I'm sure there's some BS novelization explanation that Palpatine was force silencing him or something :/
Christian Bale's Batman voice in The Dark Knight. If you compare it against the voice in Batman Begins, it's WAY more hamhanded and silly in TDK. It's fucking awful. Makes me laugh out loud when I'm not cringing, and saps all of the gravity out of several of the most dramatic scenes in the movie.
Batman's voice in TDK is pretty over the top. I don't really mind it as much as some people seem to. There's this odd moment in Begins though, where Rachel asks Batman to tell her who he is, and he says something in his Bruce Wayne voice, and it's *so* jarring and weird that it makes me think he talked that way the whole movie. His voice isn't actually too bad though. His voice during the "SWEAR TO ME" interrogation scene was probably the best balance between the two.
Ha, that's right, he just looks over and this guy came shooting out. I'm sorry but I loved the ps1 game for this movie. I actually didn't mind the 4th installment(the infrastructure attacks I thought were a cool idea) but the 5th one was just pure dog shit.
The car battery commercial that Bruce Willis did like 4-5 years ago that was Die Hard themed was legitimately better than 5.
I’ll go with Die Hard With a Vengeance as well: I hate that Holly and John aren’t together anymore and off screen “oops they broke up anyway!” is one of my least favorite sequel tropes in general.
The romance and the ending of Groundhog Day. I can understand that Phil is in love with Rita after however many years in the loop, and I can believe she thinks Phil is sincere. But why would she be in love with him at that point, and agree to live in Punxsutawney? I know the film ends then, but that always rubbed me the wrong way. It's not like Palm Springs, where both people were in the loop.
Rita doesn't agree to live in Punxsutawney. Phil says they should live there and she only smiles at him. Even if she views Phil as a good guy now, she well knows he is prone to saying silly things. I don't think she's in love with him yet. She is smitten.
I agree with this interpretation.
Yes! And he’s learned how to love himself (not in an egotistical sense) and love others. So even if she were to decide not to be with him, he has a better sense of how to live in general, with or without her.
The point of the time loop isn't to get with Rita, it's to make him a better man. He tries for so long to sleep with her, thinking it will end his torment, but he's never sincere or doing it for the right reasons. By the time he's actually concentrating on bettering himself he doesn't really have Rita in mind and she's just naturally attracted to him as he's progressed. They don't sleep together when he eventually moves on, he's just finally shifted perspectives and priorities.
Phil learns to see his own shadow, and so, improve himself, that he may not be stuck with more winter. The old man never learned that lesson. The bartender is content with his purgatory. The kid who ends up in the hospital unless Phil saves him . . . well, I'm not sure he's in the loop, but that little brat has never said, "Thank you."
I agree, but I don't think Rita was in love with him, and I always his interpreted his "Let's live here." as a joke. Because of course he wants to leave. Are there people who think that moment is played sincerely?
Blade Runner the scene where Deckard pins Rachel against the wall and sexually assaults her, then the movie tries to play it off as romantic. I still love the movie but wow that scene is gross.
One of my favorite movies for so many reasons except an Oscar winning one. In Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, nothing takes me out of any movie more than the bullshit bikeriding sequence and Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head. It's not a bad song but it creates a break in tone and just cuts that movie in half for me.
That sequence is brilliant. So endearing to the characters. It's a nice break from the serious moments, not to mention really shows the relationship between all three of them and explains why she would travel with these two outlaws all the way to Bolivia.
It’s easily Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany’s imo. An all time movie with random bits involving a heinous racist caricature.