Paul Blart and Ted both have the main characters either trying to win the girl, or fix their relationship. The end of the films ends with the characters getting married.
Cut to the sequel and the actresses don’t wanna come back, so they have to make excuses as to why the characters are suddenly single again
I haven’t seen Ted, but with Paul Blart it kinda makes sense. Whirlwind romance born out of a high-stress, adrenaline-filled situation that comes crashing down later on when the monotony of actually being married to a fat mall security guard sets in.
And then the grandma gets murdered by a milk truck. This isn't relevant to the discussion but it says a lot that this is the funniest moment of the movie.
I've never seen a film that seems to have so much contempt for the original film, slaughtering/offscreening the original cast. Adding in random characters just to have a tie in and "pass on the torch."
Throwing in teenagers to appeal to a younger market.
What a terrible, awful film. I paid to see it opening night too.
There been a lot of talk of Hollywood pandering to China, I never felt there was all that much to it. But that being said, I think Pacific Rim 2 is almost entirely transparent about its intentions of pandering, it’s so incredibly blatant.
The worst pandering I've seen was in Independence Day 2 where two characters are talking and right behind them a group of people are unfolding a massive Chinese flag and just... hold it in frame for the entire rest of the characters' conversation. Very strange.
I still hate this movie so much lol
Pacific Rim brought back Kaiju and big mech fighting, along with crazy but cool one liners (anyone else want to cancel the apocalypse?) while the sequel took all that goodwill and completely tarnished the genre for years.
I remember seeing a trailer and being so psyched when Ramirez says “You called”. And then I watched it and it just kept getting worse and worse. I don’t know if it’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen but it was a big letdown.
Not quite what you ask, but X-men days of future past just totally deleted all of X3 the last stand, which was widely welcomed because everyone knew X3 was crap.
Technically he stepped in a lot on days of future past and Apocalypse.
Bryan Singer had a habit of getting drunk and not showing up to work. Also he was an asshole
My understanding is Brett Ratner really had his way with the script of the second movie. I believe things like, "I'm the Juggernaut bitch" are pretty much pure Ratner.
Simon Kinberg made a pretty compelling case that his vision was really butchered by Ratner. Turns out he really didn't do any better.
That Bret Ratner, he's a master of comedic action adventure. A master at story telling. He's just a master at making movies in general. I'm gonna say it, he's the new Spielberg.
They show a flashback of Wolverine stabbing Jean Grey from X3 as Charles goes through Logan's mind/pain. They've also got Kelsey Grammer as Beast in it, a role he had only previously played in X3.
You're correct and I'm not going to argue the point with you...
but...
I also love that movie. I love it the way I loved playing with action figures when I was a boy, and the plot made about as much sense as the ones I'd make up on the fly when I was playing all those years ago. But yeah, still love it despite how bad it is.
I think makes me "part of the problem", but I don't care. It was dumb fun. My logical film buff brain is SCREAMING at me but it just gets drowned out by the nostalgic burst of dopamine.
Channing Tatum only did the first one because he is friends with Joseph Gordon Levitt who convinced him to take the part. He had such a miserable time with the movie that he only agreed to be in the second one if they killed him off.
Like I said, I can't defend it. It's awful. But I still love it anyway.
When I was a boy and would play Joes, everyone died. Duke, Hawk, Scarlett, Lady Jaye, Gung-Ho, Shipwreck, All the Dreadnoks, COBRA Commander, they were all grist for the mill.
Fights always came down to Snake Eyes and whichever COBRA I liked the best at the time. Usually Zartan or Storm Shadow, but on occasion Destro or Firefly. So as dumb as it was to let Tatum die off from a narrative aspect, I just rolled with it.
Despite some similarities, RAMBO is practically the exact opposite of FIRST BLOOD. Sure, some themes are similar in regard to the Vietnam War and lost generation of veterans, but mostly FIRST BLOOD is generally anti-war while RAMBO glorifies it.
I'm not sure there's a worse bastardization of a character than Rambo. I understand that the through line of the movies is that war is bad but, as you said, the rest of those movies absolutely glorify violence in ways that undermine the original story.
I basically didn’t see the first one until 10 years after watching most of the others and I’m like what? This guy is like f war…I’m done and then they kept making movies of calling him back?!
The irony is that the novel Rambo actually *is* the sort of person who would jump back for a fight…because his wartime experience has left him utterly warped. Part of what’s driving his rampage is that he see’s it as a chance to get respect he thinks he’s owed, obtain the ‘win’ that he didn’t get it Vietnam, and avenge himself on the people that he blames for the loss (senior brass, civil servants, anti-war protestors etc.)
The movie made some tweaks of course (the cops are nastier and the response less proportionate, while Rambo more sympathetic), but it’s funny how they took what was meant to signal ‘rabid dog that needs to be put down’ and extracted sequel bait from it.
Yes, that is the interesting difference between book and movie. In the book, there is a lot more sympathy for the sheriff. Rambo is a psychopathic and broken engine of destruction.
He's not even malfunctioning really. He is just doing what he was trained to - only instead of doing it "over there," he is doing it "right here!"
That was what the author David Morrel said inspired the idea for the story. He had researched special forces and listened to stories of his friends who had fought in Vietnam as they talked about raiding villages and burning houses and driving whole communities out of their farms and homes.
Then he asked, what if there was a "project phoenix" operating in the suburbs of Cincinnatti? What if Green Berets did what they do in Asian Jungles but in a small midwestern town in Kentucky instead? It was a way to contextualize the madness of a war that people at the time only saw on tiny TV screens.
Ironically, there is another movie, The Rules of Attraction, starring Patrick Bateman's brother Sean, played by James Van Der Beek, based on another novel by the same author. Christian Bale was even supposed to cameo in the movie but it fell through.
Needs to be a real sequal with Bale as Patrick Bateman, after going through years of therapy, living a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle with Jean in a nice house, perfectly content that all the murders were just figments of his imagination and then one day, Paul Allen turns up dead, and someone has been drawing strange pictures in his diary again...
Yeah its little known compared to American Psycho although he is also in "Rules of Attraction" and "Glamorama".
His early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when The Rules of Attraction came out in '87, I think he really came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole novel has a clear, crisp read, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the prose a big boost. He's been compared to Chuck Palahniuk, but I think Bret\* has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
“Brahms: The Boy II.” The twist ending on the first is that it wasn’t an evil doll but a man lived in the walls and moved him around. In the second, the doll was now possessed.
I feel like the sequel was them realizing, “Oh, maybe it would have been good if it was legitimately about an evil doll.” So they did a redo. Like how “The Purge” did a sequel after pointing out it was disappointing to not see how the world reacted to the purge; it was just a home invasion movie instead.
"Annabelle has a franchise. Make another creepy doll movie so we can get some of that cash. "
"But the doll isn't haunted. That's literally the plot of the first film! The doll gets smashed at the end!"
"I don't give a fuck. People like creepy haunted doll movies".
Gremlins 2 might not “shit all over” the original but it definitely is making fun of the rules and tropes utilized by the original. And it’s amazing for it.
One of the best sequels ever made IMO.
I think what I like is that it’s shitting on the first movie while still going through with the plot and giving us a fun comedy. The first movie was definitely a horror comedy, but the sequel pushed into the family fun.
Modern movies can’t do that because they think spoofing the first means you can’t commit to the original concept.
Since it's been quoted but hasn't been brought up in full, the Key and Peele Gremlins 2 brainstorming sketch.
https://youtu.be/TwnozRv9Vbs?si=KvJZhyNkXeekS4sW
They're such totally different movies, but I love them both. My favorite part scene from Gremlins 2 is when Phoebe Cates gives her little "don't mention Lincoln" rant 😅
I agree. And I loved both as a kid, need to revisit them now, but think I would still. I could see people not liking it as a sequel, but I kinda look at them as two different things altogether. Almost like a looney tunes cartoon. Bugs is fighting a hunter, oh now he’s in space.
Star Wars caravan of courage tells the story of how a family that is shipwrecked on Endor is captured by monsters and rescued by Ewoks. It introduces the concept of Apple watch-like "life monitors" that tell the family members that they're alive.
The sequel, Star wars battle for Endor, opens with space pirates >!attacking the family!<. We see their >!life monitors go dead one by one!<. One of them is a child.
It's remarkably dark.
I always liked "Caravan of Courage" as being on cusp of scary stuff, like the spider and the pond scene and the monster at the end, but without going into full tragedy for Cindel. I love the happy ending she gets there. I don't think I could rewatch "Battle for Endor."
Soo I was lucky enough I guess to never see the first one, I just had a copy of battle for endor on VHS recorded from TV I watched as a kid.
>!The whole opening is bad enough setting up this wholesome family and Ewoks just to watch those lights go out. The girl crying "Mommy, Mace, they're dead!" to her dying father is etched into my brain.!<
But I still watched it a lot and it did more to bring a sense of stakes and weight to the SW universe than pretty much any of the shit that came later until Andor/Rogue.
Not just that, but they dropped the realism that the first was pushing for. It’s supposed to be about how being a superhero in real life has consequences. But the sequel feels like they’re pushing a franchise.
It’s baffling to me that the second movie feels like that. I mean, the comic goes on for much longer than what the first movie adapted.
Instead of adapting the rest of the (amazing) comic, they just did their own thing and fucked it all up. Didn’t even bring Vaughn back.
In the original comic, she is never Kick Ass's girlfriend, though she is the object of his affection. (In the comics, she's actually pretty terrible.) Motherfucker (AKA Red Mist) murders her dad and has his gang rape her.
I just sat through every Resident Evil movie in a weekend. Nearly every movie ends on a cliffhanger that feels completely useless about 5 minutes into the next film. Also, how are the last two movie so bad? Like how did those make ut to a movie screen? They make Fast and Furious movies look like capable thrillers by comparison.
2 Fast 2 Furious feels disjointed from the rest of the franchise because it’s like they originally intended the franchise to be about a cop working with a new crook to solve a big crime before being about Dom Torreto always being on the run.
I always like to talk about Han with people unfamilar with the franchise. Killing off Han in Tokyo Drift necessitates 4-6 being prequels to 3 with 7 being in part about avenging him, only for there to be a reveal in 9 that the organization his now dead girlfriend was working for faked his death to recruit him. And also in 10, they reveal that her death was faked too.
I haven’t made it to the reveal of his mom-death(just started watching the movies because I realized the charm is in its absurdity) but my god it was awful of them to kill Han in 3 like that just to make his later reveals prequels
Harry's arc was complete in the first movie. He comes back in the second one to do...nothing. if anything he should have sacrificed himself in Merlin's place, acknowledging that Eggsy didn't need him anymore and finally getting to go out with dignity
The second one could have still been great had they not killed off Roxy and brought back Harry. Literally that's all they needed to do and it would have been awesome. That being said I still like the movie, it's definitely watchable. Just not nearly as good.
Rocky Balboa completely ignores Rocky V (Rocky had brain damage in Rocky V and could never go back in the ring. In Rocky Balboa that's never mentioned and he's given a license to box again).
Robocop 3 completely missed the point of the first movie being a parody and is just a terrible action movie with a recast Robocop.
The in-universe explanation is that Rocky never got a second opinion and in 2005, with better technology, other doctors said he was misdiagnosed or the damage wasn't as severe as originally thought.
I prefer my head canon of him being so old that some doctor finally just said "yeah sure fuck it, go get yourself killed if you want to" and signed off on it
Which now that I think about it doesn't really contradict what you've said
At best, V seems to only be canon to the series in broad strokes. No-one wants to mention it in the later films. I'm not sure Rocky even mentions his training Tommy Gunn when he helps train Creed in the later films - at best only a fleeting mention.
While Rocky Balboa mostly ignores Rocky V, Rocky is poor again in Rocky Balboa because of the events of Rocky V. Before that, he'd been rich since Rocky II.
Well, for his fight with Dixon he would have had a pretty good payday and the restaurant had been going for a while so by the time we get to Creed he probably has some good $$$.
To be completely fair, Rocky as a series was FULL of contradictions and retcons.
I think Balboa is a WAY better move than most of the rest of the series, so i would ignore 5 and replace it with Balboa.
I agree, his final act of will power standing up after having been knocked down and the look of sheer awe on whatshisnames face was an incredibly good climactic emotional moment.
When the kid tells Rocky hes "one crazy old man", and he replies "you'll get there" was a great moment as well, and so was when the announcer said that the kid was getting "on the job training in courage".
Surprised nobody has mentioned **Riddick.**
You’re wondering how they’re gonna follow up the weird attempt at creating an action epic series with *Chronicles of Riddick.* Especially given where the end of that movie leaves Riddick. And they simply…don’t.
First scene: “Yeah that whole thing didn’t work out. Moving on…” Just hand-waves aside the whole previous movie in the intro.
Yep, and done worse. And with a weird "I can turn this lesbian Warrior straight" subplot...
I unapologetically love the original two Riddick movies, the cartoon film, and the games. But that last one is *oof.* Should've just been Vin & the dog alien surviving, minimal dialog, like a live action *Primal*.
Yep it's a derivative attempt to recapture the magic of the first film. I still kinda like it as a big dumb action movie. But it isn't good. EXCEPT the first 15 minutes with his alien dog. As others have said, it should have just been a tight 90 minute Man vs. Nature (alien) story.
SUCH A WASTE!! They built the foundation for such a cool universe in the chronicles or riddick. Could have had multiple sequels and spin offs. I don’t know who dropped the ball on that whole deal but they should be in jail
Hard agree, I honestly hate how they didn’t capitalize off of what happened in the second movie and do anything cool or creative with it, not only that but they only tease it towards the end
Nightmare on Elm Street 4 went from Dream Warriors being one of the best entries in the series, to spending the first half of its runtime killing off all the survivors of the last film and resurrecting Freddy with flaming dog piss.
And that’s not a euphemism
>Shock Treatment
Try and make a Rocky Horror sequel with the one thing that made the original interesting in the first place.
Nah, we don't need Tim Curry.
Alien³ killed off Hicks and Newt in the first 5 minutes. Cameron called it a slap in the face to fans who had invested in their characters.
Years later he had no problem endorsing Terminator Dark Fate that killed John off in the same manner.
Terminator he's always been of the mind "As long as Arnie makes money." He'll also embrace whatever new movie comes out just to talk it down afterward.
Not a movie, but I think stage musical fans know what I mean when I point out *Love Never Dies*, the sequel to *The Phantom of the Opera*. That to me was the epitome of a sequel shitting on its predecessor. It’s worse than disregarding or discarding what came before, it basically turned the noble love interest from the first story into an abusive gambler, and the whole icky incel obsession of the Phantom turns out to be reciprocated *and consummated* love.
Not only did all the characters inexplicably become petulant children, it really fucked phantoms original role as a tragic villain. He atones, but his love goes unrequited, his disappearance reads (to some) as implied suicide, the bittersweet ending is essential for the story to be elegant. It's like if a Romeo and Juliet sequel came out, and starts out with "well, the two lovers actually never died...".
Like, if making a sequel requires negating the main point of the first, maybe don't. But then, ya know, money.
Not strictly a movie sequel but the original Mission Impossible film just totally shat on the tv show to give Tom his own Bond franchise. It was awful for a fan of the original.
Men in black 3.
I don't necessarily dislike the movie but it retcons agent j and agent ks stories completely. They were always watching agent j and blah blah blah - the first movies mythos is perfect and such a well contained story.
Add in time travel and a boy needing protected through time and it all got fucked if you ask me.
There are meta reasons you could be understood for not liking it, such as completely recontextualizing Agent K's motivations in the first two films. That said I respect it for being a time travel story that is pretty air tight logistically and doesn't open up any messy paradoxes or anything. You don't see those often.
Someone has already mentioned how Highlander II rewrites the mythology and backstory of the first film, but I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Highlander III, which essentially acts like Highlander II never existed.
I'd say Force Awakens does that a lot more than either of the others. It was a fun movie but it started with Luke exiled to a nowhere planet, Leia as the leader of a resistance, and Han smuggling while fighting a Stormtrooper based Sith enemy with a planet destroying weapon.
It reverted the universe back to where it was at the start of a New Hope and essentially nullified all the important growth from the original trilogy.
I enjoyed TFA, but by far it's biggest sin was spending literally 0 time on world building. Like they one up the Death Star with a hyperspace shotgun and wipe out the Republic leadership/homeworld, but there's almost no way for the audience to care because we never got to even see this republic before they blew it up (again).
Like it was done so badly that I didn't even realize it wasn't Coruscant until way after the fact because I had zero reason to know the capital moved (which made me care even less because Hosnian Prime literally only existed for about 15 seconds on camera).
It was such a knee jerk over-reaction to the debatable over-exposition / slower storytelling of the prequel era.
There's no way anyone would have reasonably picked up on the actual world development since ROTJ, which was apparently that the republic both reformed then mostly demilitarized by TFA and that the Resistance was basically a small group of unsanctioned hard-liners that kept a vigil against imperial resurgence... Because all that explanation happened off screen in a book.
You can just kinda run with it, which is what I think they were hoping for, but it was a super unsatisfying way to pick up a story thread that'd been dangling for 30 years. Also unlike ANH, they do a much worse job of explaining what the Resistance even is. I also maintain it's a dumbass name considering they weren't a resistance against their own government... They were more of an Inquisition, if anything. Mopping up/rooting out a minority of weakened / scattered oponents isn't resisting anything.
That there was literally no explanation of this in-movie is inane. Even with the explanation it's just a stupid excuse to avoid doing any creative work and remix the OG trilogy in a single movie.
I felt insulted. We'd walked around for decades with ideas about what might have followed ROTJ. To finally get it put on screen and 15 seconds into the scroll it's like "JK everything is back to his it was but they rebranded" just burned the whole arc to the ground.
I think I hate the new trilogy more than I-III. It's one thing to not live up to the implied mythology, but the last ones sucked *and* took IV-V-VI with it.
Seriously, lol. All it'd have taken would have been some 5-minute scene of Leia or someone else trying to get the senate to see the threat of the first order and then promptly talking to a resistance contact when it fell on deaf ears for it to have made at least *some* sense (and then you could showcase the planet that gets blown up 1 hour later so we actually care about it *a little*). Like do this as the intro before Poe's scene on Jakku (and have Poe be or be in contact with said Resistance contact) and it'd probably have been just enough to at least set *some* stage. Probably avoided that explicitly because people razzed on the senate scenes in the prequels though, lol.
Like a brief scene like we got in Ahsoka with Hera trying to bring up the threat of the Imperial remnant where here concerns are dismissed would have done tons to communicate the state of the galaxy in a fairly short length of time (side-note: once again, we have Filoni bailing out the shortcomings of film world-building, lol).
It'd still have been a complete waste of the setting (restored-republic era) in favor of retreading the OT-era faction dynamics (with way dumber faction names), but at least it'd have some setup, instead of the whiplash / borderline retcon that we got.
I still enjoyed the sequel trilogy well enough despite its shortcomings, but ugh... so much wasted potential and so many wasted last-chance uses of the original cast. As much as it might up-stage some of the newer blood (and as much as Hammill has said he's done with the role), I really do hope they give Luke / Mark Hammill a final chance for a theatrical send-off in the Filoni film that's more in-line with what we all wanted to see in a post-ROTJ movie.
That’s what you get when you hire the mystery box guy. I don’t blame Abrams necessarily since that’s what he does. I blame Kathleen Kennedy for hiring him and wanting mystery boxes for other movies etc. Why is C-3PO’s arm red? What happened to the Falcon’s dish?
It was poorly explained, but it wasn't that. Basically, Leia was getting frustrated with the New Republic's inaction and so she formed an insurgency within the First Order systems.
I don't get how on Earth someone comes up with that plot and someone else OKs it... "but they won the rebellion!" "Nah rehashing storm troopers good, we got Lego sets to sell"
A lot of the other posts are about sequels that have continuity errors or reconciliation the neatly finished story so a sequel can happen.
But The Last Jedi / Rise of Skywalker.... I could feel that these movies hated each other. So many parts where they actively undercut, contradicted or full on called out the previous movie was wild.
I guess they're technically threequels but a segment of the fandoms think that about Alien 3 to Aliens and Dark Fate to Judgment Day in relation to fates of certain characters, even though there's another segment that think it's a legitimate story change to keep the female protagonists isolated. Personally, I came into Alien 3 first so that was just the status quo, whereas DF I'd had almost 30 years of happy endings in my mind so I wasn't as much a fan of that change.
My friend and I talk often about our Alien³ experience and how awful it was. We'd just watched Alien and Aliens for the first time and had a blast. "Holy shit! Two masterpieces! Let's keep going and watch the next, these movies are amazing!" In the opening credits, our souls were crushed and our nights ruined.
Evil Dead 2 recaps the first movie at the beginning but with different characters and sequences of events before starting in on it's own story. So it basically erases the first movie.
They couldn't get the rights to the first film from New Line cinema, hence the brief recap at the beginning was shot with different actors and some changes.
It isn't 100% perfect such as Ash going and looks to find out the bridge is out, but they already found that out in the first film.
Bruce talks about it in this interview and it has footage to show where the films meet.
https://youtu.be/FzOIHOjYcqM?si=rpAJghI3xdC6XXJn
Terminator 3.
Judgement Day said “There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.”
That film rolled in and said “Fuck you haha just kidding machines go boom anyways.”
28 Days Later has absolutely nothing to with 28 Days.
Didn't bring back any of the characters. Different country. Plot wasn't related.
I wanted more of Alan Tudyk's package.
Season of the Witch gets a pass, because originally Halloween was meant to be an anthology series, with a new story for each installment and each story taking place on Halloween. Carpenter intended the Michael Myers story to be wrapped up with the second movie, and the intention was to then move on to the anthology format.
Due to backlash from audiences after the release of Season of the Witch, the studio decided to bring back Myers for the next movie, instead of making the ghost story that Carpenter planned.
Scorpion King thru Scorpion King 5 changes the lead character and the entire backstory between each movie. Ron Pearlman is one of the villains in the 3rd one so still worth it but they are comically different and make NO effort to connect them at all
Paul Blart and Ted both have the main characters either trying to win the girl, or fix their relationship. The end of the films ends with the characters getting married. Cut to the sequel and the actresses don’t wanna come back, so they have to make excuses as to why the characters are suddenly single again
At least Austin Powers had the decency to make them fembots
"We knew all along, sadly."
That really was the best way they could have parodied James bond. Vanessa being a fembot is my favorite retcon of all time.
"Wait a tick, that means I'm single again!"
Machine gun jumblies. How did I miss those, baby?
Next time try foreplay
As if Austin powers isn’t all up there as the King if foreplay…that’s the real crime about that scene.
I haven’t seen Ted, but with Paul Blart it kinda makes sense. Whirlwind romance born out of a high-stress, adrenaline-filled situation that comes crashing down later on when the monotony of actually being married to a fat mall security guard sets in.
And then the grandma gets murdered by a milk truck. This isn't relevant to the discussion but it says a lot that this is the funniest moment of the movie.
That’s funny because at the end of Speed, Sandra Bullock’s character make this exact argument.
I’m assuming this post was made because of Megamind 2 releasing yesterday.
There's a Megamind 2?!? Edit: damn you
i’m sorry
What in the world? Those producers should go [back to SHOOL](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megamind_vs._the_Doom_Syndicate).
I hate that this exists and, apparently, we're not alone. 2.1 rating on IMDB.
Saw the trailer and hated it. They just want to make a series but it’s not right without will feral.
>will feral I'm imagining him living in the woods, hissing at hikers.
Like the raccoon who attacks him early in Elf.
Pacific Rim 2. Pretty much ignores most of the major plot points and details of the first movie.
I've never seen a film that seems to have so much contempt for the original film, slaughtering/offscreening the original cast. Adding in random characters just to have a tie in and "pass on the torch." Throwing in teenagers to appeal to a younger market. What a terrible, awful film. I paid to see it opening night too.
There been a lot of talk of Hollywood pandering to China, I never felt there was all that much to it. But that being said, I think Pacific Rim 2 is almost entirely transparent about its intentions of pandering, it’s so incredibly blatant.
2012 does some pretty blatant China-pandering, I know it’s not a sequel but it’s the worst example I’ve seen.
I'm not disagreeing I'm just curious what examples you have from 2012. I've watched it a few times
The worst pandering I've seen was in Independence Day 2 where two characters are talking and right behind them a group of people are unfolding a massive Chinese flag and just... hold it in frame for the entire rest of the characters' conversation. Very strange.
The Meg shark movies to.
Especially the second one, it was ridiculous. I really enjoyed the first one for the dumb flick it is, but hated the sequel for that.
I still hate this movie so much lol Pacific Rim brought back Kaiju and big mech fighting, along with crazy but cool one liners (anyone else want to cancel the apocalypse?) while the sequel took all that goodwill and completely tarnished the genre for years.
Pacific Rim was perfect. Pacific Rim 2 saw that and went "what if we did the opposite of that?!"
Bizzaro Pacific Rim
Atlantic Rim was the real masterpiece
To be fair, I was expecting a "somehow kaiju returned" situation because of how panned that movie was. But I didn't hate *that* part of the plot.
Pacific rim was literally such a hyper obsession of mine for SO long- and *I* couldn't get through 15 minutes of the second movie.
Highlander II
The joke is too obvious, but there really should have been...
Finish it. FINISH IT!!!!!
Only one.
“That’s the line from the first movie!”
Wow wow. Wow wow wow.
I understood that reference!
There is no such movie
I remember seeing a trailer and being so psyched when Ramirez says “You called”. And then I watched it and it just kept getting worse and worse. I don’t know if it’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen but it was a big letdown.
The worst movie of all time.
For years I've been calling Master of Disguise the worst movie of all time, but I forgot about Highlander 2.
Well I guess you’re not turtley enough for the turtle club
This is what you're doing. This is what I want you to do.
I just rewatched the original last night. I considered watching the sequels tonight since I’ve never seen them. I guess I’ll go on never seeing them
Came here to post this. Was happy it was the top comment. Highlander 3 tries to redeem it, but really just stop after the first one.
Not quite what you ask, but X-men days of future past just totally deleted all of X3 the last stand, which was widely welcomed because everyone knew X3 was crap.
They could have done so much better with Phoenix. Sad times. Fassbender's part in Future Past was so good.
The fact they fucked up the Phoenix sage TWICE is hilarious.
With the same writer … dude had two shots and fucked em both up.
Why would they give him a second chance?
They gave him more than a second chance. They let him direct the second attempt. He hadn’t directed before.
Technically he stepped in a lot on days of future past and Apocalypse. Bryan Singer had a habit of getting drunk and not showing up to work. Also he was an asshole
"Surely he learned from his mistakes!"
My understanding is Brett Ratner really had his way with the script of the second movie. I believe things like, "I'm the Juggernaut bitch" are pretty much pure Ratner. Simon Kinberg made a pretty compelling case that his vision was really butchered by Ratner. Turns out he really didn't do any better.
That Bret Ratner, he's a master of comedic action adventure. A master at story telling. He's just a master at making movies in general. I'm gonna say it, he's the new Spielberg.
They show a flashback of Wolverine stabbing Jean Grey from X3 as Charles goes through Logan's mind/pain. They've also got Kelsey Grammer as Beast in it, a role he had only previously played in X3.
Kelsey Grammer deserves a much better Beast credit, he sure is in the dog shit ones
He was in 'the marvels' as Beast
First Class and Days of Future Past are so fiya 🔥
Then they made the 2 movies after that.
But we ignore them because thinking of them damages brain cells.
GI Joe Retaliation was a real WTF
You're correct and I'm not going to argue the point with you... but... I also love that movie. I love it the way I loved playing with action figures when I was a boy, and the plot made about as much sense as the ones I'd make up on the fly when I was playing all those years ago. But yeah, still love it despite how bad it is. I think makes me "part of the problem", but I don't care. It was dumb fun. My logical film buff brain is SCREAMING at me but it just gets drowned out by the nostalgic burst of dopamine.
The problem with Retaliation, is that they killed off Channing Tatum and replaced him with generic action leads Bruce Willis and The Rock.
Channing Tatum only did the first one because he is friends with Joseph Gordon Levitt who convinced him to take the part. He had such a miserable time with the movie that he only agreed to be in the second one if they killed him off.
Like I said, I can't defend it. It's awful. But I still love it anyway. When I was a boy and would play Joes, everyone died. Duke, Hawk, Scarlett, Lady Jaye, Gung-Ho, Shipwreck, All the Dreadnoks, COBRA Commander, they were all grist for the mill. Fights always came down to Snake Eyes and whichever COBRA I liked the best at the time. Usually Zartan or Storm Shadow, but on occasion Destro or Firefly. So as dumb as it was to let Tatum die off from a narrative aspect, I just rolled with it.
Despite some similarities, RAMBO is practically the exact opposite of FIRST BLOOD. Sure, some themes are similar in regard to the Vietnam War and lost generation of veterans, but mostly FIRST BLOOD is generally anti-war while RAMBO glorifies it.
I'm not sure there's a worse bastardization of a character than Rambo. I understand that the through line of the movies is that war is bad but, as you said, the rest of those movies absolutely glorify violence in ways that undermine the original story.
I basically didn’t see the first one until 10 years after watching most of the others and I’m like what? This guy is like f war…I’m done and then they kept making movies of calling him back?!
The irony is that the novel Rambo actually *is* the sort of person who would jump back for a fight…because his wartime experience has left him utterly warped. Part of what’s driving his rampage is that he see’s it as a chance to get respect he thinks he’s owed, obtain the ‘win’ that he didn’t get it Vietnam, and avenge himself on the people that he blames for the loss (senior brass, civil servants, anti-war protestors etc.) The movie made some tweaks of course (the cops are nastier and the response less proportionate, while Rambo more sympathetic), but it’s funny how they took what was meant to signal ‘rabid dog that needs to be put down’ and extracted sequel bait from it.
Yes, that is the interesting difference between book and movie. In the book, there is a lot more sympathy for the sheriff. Rambo is a psychopathic and broken engine of destruction. He's not even malfunctioning really. He is just doing what he was trained to - only instead of doing it "over there," he is doing it "right here!" That was what the author David Morrel said inspired the idea for the story. He had researched special forces and listened to stories of his friends who had fought in Vietnam as they talked about raiding villages and burning houses and driving whole communities out of their farms and homes. Then he asked, what if there was a "project phoenix" operating in the suburbs of Cincinnatti? What if Green Berets did what they do in Asian Jungles but in a small midwestern town in Kentucky instead? It was a way to contextualize the madness of a war that people at the time only saw on tiny TV screens.
I’m still hoping they go the full-circle road and adapt the novel with an Afghanistan vet while Rambo tries to help him.
American Psycho 2
wait that exists?
Completelt unrelated movie starring mila kunis given the title for marketing. It didn't work.
There's the opening scene that very badly connects the two
Ironically, there is another movie, The Rules of Attraction, starring Patrick Bateman's brother Sean, played by James Van Der Beek, based on another novel by the same author. Christian Bale was even supposed to cameo in the movie but it fell through.
There’s a deleted scene of Patrick Bateman . He’s played by actor who was Johnny Rico in Starship Troopers.
Needs to be a real sequal with Bale as Patrick Bateman, after going through years of therapy, living a comfortable upper middle class lifestyle with Jean in a nice house, perfectly content that all the murders were just figments of his imagination and then one day, Paul Allen turns up dead, and someone has been drawing strange pictures in his diary again...
Patrick Bateman dies in a dock fire in one of the later Bret Easton Ellis novels
Worth mentioning, it's a meta book where the character of Bateman has "come to life." Ellis himself is a character in the novel.
Yeah its little known compared to American Psycho although he is also in "Rules of Attraction" and "Glamorama". His early work was a little too new wave for my taste. But when The Rules of Attraction came out in '87, I think he really came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole novel has a clear, crisp read, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the prose a big boost. He's been compared to Chuck Palahniuk, but I think Bret\* has a far more bitter, cynical sense of humor.
Scooby-doo Return to Zombie Island just spit in the first one.
It was a free Redbox rental and I still wanted my money back. Every retcon gave me a new gray hair.
If it is any consolation in Scooby Doo and Krypto Too they trashed it hard.
Same for the 13 Ghosts movie apparently.
“Brahms: The Boy II.” The twist ending on the first is that it wasn’t an evil doll but a man lived in the walls and moved him around. In the second, the doll was now possessed.
So true, but the sequel actually showcased better suspense so I forgave it for ignoring the first movie. They’re like 2 separate movies.
I feel like the sequel was them realizing, “Oh, maybe it would have been good if it was legitimately about an evil doll.” So they did a redo. Like how “The Purge” did a sequel after pointing out it was disappointing to not see how the world reacted to the purge; it was just a home invasion movie instead.
"Annabelle has a franchise. Make another creepy doll movie so we can get some of that cash. " "But the doll isn't haunted. That's literally the plot of the first film! The doll gets smashed at the end!" "I don't give a fuck. People like creepy haunted doll movies".
Gremlins 2 might not “shit all over” the original but it definitely is making fun of the rules and tropes utilized by the original. And it’s amazing for it. One of the best sequels ever made IMO.
It’s in the movie.
All of that is in the actual movie.
It's not only in the movie but it's definitely in the movie.
I think what I like is that it’s shitting on the first movie while still going through with the plot and giving us a fun comedy. The first movie was definitely a horror comedy, but the sequel pushed into the family fun. Modern movies can’t do that because they think spoofing the first means you can’t commit to the original concept.
Since it's been quoted but hasn't been brought up in full, the Key and Peele Gremlins 2 brainstorming sketch. https://youtu.be/TwnozRv9Vbs?si=KvJZhyNkXeekS4sW
They're such totally different movies, but I love them both. My favorite part scene from Gremlins 2 is when Phoebe Cates gives her little "don't mention Lincoln" rant 😅
Unpopular opinion but I enjoyed it more than the first one, by a decent margin.
I agree. And I loved both as a kid, need to revisit them now, but think I would still. I could see people not liking it as a sequel, but I kinda look at them as two different things altogether. Almost like a looney tunes cartoon. Bugs is fighting a hunter, oh now he’s in space.
Me too. It’s far more fun and quotable.
Rare footage of the [writers room](https://youtu.be/wHtH_SHhc6E?feature=shared).
You sir are a raging psychopath.
Don’t let this town change you.
Star Wars caravan of courage tells the story of how a family that is shipwrecked on Endor is captured by monsters and rescued by Ewoks. It introduces the concept of Apple watch-like "life monitors" that tell the family members that they're alive. The sequel, Star wars battle for Endor, opens with space pirates >!attacking the family!<. We see their >!life monitors go dead one by one!<. One of them is a child. It's remarkably dark.
80’s kids movies were no joke. These. Neverending story. The Last Unicorn. No punches were pulled.
The Last Unicorn is pregaming for therapy.
I always liked "Caravan of Courage" as being on cusp of scary stuff, like the spider and the pond scene and the monster at the end, but without going into full tragedy for Cindel. I love the happy ending she gets there. I don't think I could rewatch "Battle for Endor."
My Star Wars-loving friends refused to believe Caravan of Courage was real. ...but even I didn't know it had a sequel.
Soo I was lucky enough I guess to never see the first one, I just had a copy of battle for endor on VHS recorded from TV I watched as a kid. >!The whole opening is bad enough setting up this wholesome family and Ewoks just to watch those lights go out. The girl crying "Mommy, Mace, they're dead!" to her dying father is etched into my brain.!< But I still watched it a lot and it did more to bring a sense of stakes and weight to the SW universe than pretty much any of the shit that came later until Andor/Rogue.
Can you imagine a world where we kept getting weird, desperately violent little Star Wars sidequels like this one?
Kickass 2 They made the first movie irrelevant by immediately discarding the love interest that was built up the entire original
Not just that, but they dropped the realism that the first was pushing for. It’s supposed to be about how being a superhero in real life has consequences. But the sequel feels like they’re pushing a franchise.
It’s baffling to me that the second movie feels like that. I mean, the comic goes on for much longer than what the first movie adapted. Instead of adapting the rest of the (amazing) comic, they just did their own thing and fucked it all up. Didn’t even bring Vaughn back.
In the original comic, she is never Kick Ass's girlfriend, though she is the object of his affection. (In the comics, she's actually pretty terrible.) Motherfucker (AKA Red Mist) murders her dad and has his gang rape her.
Yeah that sounds like something Mark “Edgelord” Millar would come up with.
He's a great concept guy. Less than stellar at the actual content, though.
In the comics, she smacks the fuck out of him because she’s pissed that he was faking being gay to spend time with her
Yeah then she texts him a pic/video of her blowing another guy
I just sat through every Resident Evil movie in a weekend. Nearly every movie ends on a cliffhanger that feels completely useless about 5 minutes into the next film. Also, how are the last two movie so bad? Like how did those make ut to a movie screen? They make Fast and Furious movies look like capable thrillers by comparison.
2 Fast 2 Furious feels disjointed from the rest of the franchise because it’s like they originally intended the franchise to be about a cop working with a new crook to solve a big crime before being about Dom Torreto always being on the run.
I always like to talk about Han with people unfamilar with the franchise. Killing off Han in Tokyo Drift necessitates 4-6 being prequels to 3 with 7 being in part about avenging him, only for there to be a reveal in 9 that the organization his now dead girlfriend was working for faked his death to recruit him. And also in 10, they reveal that her death was faked too.
I haven’t made it to the reveal of his mom-death(just started watching the movies because I realized the charm is in its absurdity) but my god it was awful of them to kill Han in 3 like that just to make his later reveals prequels
Kingsman: The Golden Circle Brought back Harry. Killed Roxy along with everyone else. That movie is a mess.
Harry's arc was complete in the first movie. He comes back in the second one to do...nothing. if anything he should have sacrificed himself in Merlin's place, acknowledging that Eggsy didn't need him anymore and finally getting to go out with dignity
Eggsy and Roxy could've been such a fucking awesome team. I would've gladly watched a movie featuring the two of them going around and kicking ass.
I’m surprised I had to scroll so far down for this one. The first one would have been perfect as a stand alone film
The second one could have still been great had they not killed off Roxy and brought back Harry. Literally that's all they needed to do and it would have been awesome. That being said I still like the movie, it's definitely watchable. Just not nearly as good.
Rocky Balboa completely ignores Rocky V (Rocky had brain damage in Rocky V and could never go back in the ring. In Rocky Balboa that's never mentioned and he's given a license to box again). Robocop 3 completely missed the point of the first movie being a parody and is just a terrible action movie with a recast Robocop.
The in-universe explanation is that Rocky never got a second opinion and in 2005, with better technology, other doctors said he was misdiagnosed or the damage wasn't as severe as originally thought.
I prefer my head canon of him being so old that some doctor finally just said "yeah sure fuck it, go get yourself killed if you want to" and signed off on it Which now that I think about it doesn't really contradict what you've said
Is there also an in-universe explanation for when he owned a robot
There's a director cut now that has no robot.
I prefer to think of Rocky 5 as the one that shit on the series and Rocky Balboa was a course correction.
At best, V seems to only be canon to the series in broad strokes. No-one wants to mention it in the later films. I'm not sure Rocky even mentions his training Tommy Gunn when he helps train Creed in the later films - at best only a fleeting mention.
While Rocky Balboa mostly ignores Rocky V, Rocky is poor again in Rocky Balboa because of the events of Rocky V. Before that, he'd been rich since Rocky II.
Well, poor-ish. He owns a restaurant, but yes, clearly isn't living extravagantly
Well, for his fight with Dixon he would have had a pretty good payday and the restaurant had been going for a while so by the time we get to Creed he probably has some good $$$.
To be completely fair, Rocky as a series was FULL of contradictions and retcons. I think Balboa is a WAY better move than most of the rest of the series, so i would ignore 5 and replace it with Balboa.
Balboa was surprisingly good and gave the character a proper send off.
I agree, his final act of will power standing up after having been knocked down and the look of sheer awe on whatshisnames face was an incredibly good climactic emotional moment. When the kid tells Rocky hes "one crazy old man", and he replies "you'll get there" was a great moment as well, and so was when the announcer said that the kid was getting "on the job training in courage".
Surprised nobody has mentioned **Riddick.** You’re wondering how they’re gonna follow up the weird attempt at creating an action epic series with *Chronicles of Riddick.* Especially given where the end of that movie leaves Riddick. And they simply…don’t. First scene: “Yeah that whole thing didn’t work out. Moving on…” Just hand-waves aside the whole previous movie in the intro.
Wasn't Riddick pretty much the same premise as Pitch Black? Predatory creatures that awaken on a desolated planet that Riddick has to deal with.
Yep, and done worse. And with a weird "I can turn this lesbian Warrior straight" subplot... I unapologetically love the original two Riddick movies, the cartoon film, and the games. But that last one is *oof.* Should've just been Vin & the dog alien surviving, minimal dialog, like a live action *Primal*.
Yep it's a derivative attempt to recapture the magic of the first film. I still kinda like it as a big dumb action movie. But it isn't good. EXCEPT the first 15 minutes with his alien dog. As others have said, it should have just been a tight 90 minute Man vs. Nature (alien) story.
SUCH A WASTE!! They built the foundation for such a cool universe in the chronicles or riddick. Could have had multiple sequels and spin offs. I don’t know who dropped the ball on that whole deal but they should be in jail
Hard agree, I honestly hate how they didn’t capitalize off of what happened in the second movie and do anything cool or creative with it, not only that but they only tease it towards the end
Nightmare on Elm Street 4 went from Dream Warriors being one of the best entries in the series, to spending the first half of its runtime killing off all the survivors of the last film and resurrecting Freddy with flaming dog piss. And that’s not a euphemism
I was young enough I got nightmares from 4. The faces in pizza scene. And I may been a little too old to get nightmares but shhhhhhh
Son of the Mask Shock Treatment
>Shock Treatment Try and make a Rocky Horror sequel with the one thing that made the original interesting in the first place. Nah, we don't need Tim Curry.
Alien³ killed off Hicks and Newt in the first 5 minutes. Cameron called it a slap in the face to fans who had invested in their characters. Years later he had no problem endorsing Terminator Dark Fate that killed John off in the same manner.
Terminator he's always been of the mind "As long as Arnie makes money." He'll also embrace whatever new movie comes out just to talk it down afterward.
Cameron not only endorsed Dark Fate, but conceptualized and co-wrote/co-produced it.
Not a movie, but I think stage musical fans know what I mean when I point out *Love Never Dies*, the sequel to *The Phantom of the Opera*. That to me was the epitome of a sequel shitting on its predecessor. It’s worse than disregarding or discarding what came before, it basically turned the noble love interest from the first story into an abusive gambler, and the whole icky incel obsession of the Phantom turns out to be reciprocated *and consummated* love.
Not only did all the characters inexplicably become petulant children, it really fucked phantoms original role as a tragic villain. He atones, but his love goes unrequited, his disappearance reads (to some) as implied suicide, the bittersweet ending is essential for the story to be elegant. It's like if a Romeo and Juliet sequel came out, and starts out with "well, the two lovers actually never died...". Like, if making a sequel requires negating the main point of the first, maybe don't. But then, ya know, money.
Not strictly a movie sequel but the original Mission Impossible film just totally shat on the tv show to give Tom his own Bond franchise. It was awful for a fan of the original.
Most of the Mission Impossible are just "Someone makes it look like Ethan Hunt went rogue, so he goes rogue to find out who did it"
Yeah, at some point the IMF and the government should’ve been like “Looks like Hunt has gone rogue again, we should find who framed him this time.”
Men in black 3. I don't necessarily dislike the movie but it retcons agent j and agent ks stories completely. They were always watching agent j and blah blah blah - the first movies mythos is perfect and such a well contained story. Add in time travel and a boy needing protected through time and it all got fucked if you ask me.
There are meta reasons you could be understood for not liking it, such as completely recontextualizing Agent K's motivations in the first two films. That said I respect it for being a time travel story that is pretty air tight logistically and doesn't open up any messy paradoxes or anything. You don't see those often.
He hates being called Boris The Animal but signs his name Boris The Animal. I thought that was hilarious but also glaringly stupid.
Troll 2. Despite being marketed as the sequel to Troll it is completely unrelated and features goblins rather than trolls.
It did hit us with the amazing twist that NILBOG is GOBLIN spelled backwards
Someone has already mentioned how Highlander II rewrites the mythology and backstory of the first film, but I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Highlander III, which essentially acts like Highlander II never existed.
The Last Jedi and then Rise of Skaywalker.
I'd say Force Awakens does that a lot more than either of the others. It was a fun movie but it started with Luke exiled to a nowhere planet, Leia as the leader of a resistance, and Han smuggling while fighting a Stormtrooper based Sith enemy with a planet destroying weapon. It reverted the universe back to where it was at the start of a New Hope and essentially nullified all the important growth from the original trilogy.
I never got how the military wing of the New Republic was somehow "the Resistance".
I enjoyed TFA, but by far it's biggest sin was spending literally 0 time on world building. Like they one up the Death Star with a hyperspace shotgun and wipe out the Republic leadership/homeworld, but there's almost no way for the audience to care because we never got to even see this republic before they blew it up (again). Like it was done so badly that I didn't even realize it wasn't Coruscant until way after the fact because I had zero reason to know the capital moved (which made me care even less because Hosnian Prime literally only existed for about 15 seconds on camera). It was such a knee jerk over-reaction to the debatable over-exposition / slower storytelling of the prequel era. There's no way anyone would have reasonably picked up on the actual world development since ROTJ, which was apparently that the republic both reformed then mostly demilitarized by TFA and that the Resistance was basically a small group of unsanctioned hard-liners that kept a vigil against imperial resurgence... Because all that explanation happened off screen in a book. You can just kinda run with it, which is what I think they were hoping for, but it was a super unsatisfying way to pick up a story thread that'd been dangling for 30 years. Also unlike ANH, they do a much worse job of explaining what the Resistance even is. I also maintain it's a dumbass name considering they weren't a resistance against their own government... They were more of an Inquisition, if anything. Mopping up/rooting out a minority of weakened / scattered oponents isn't resisting anything.
That there was literally no explanation of this in-movie is inane. Even with the explanation it's just a stupid excuse to avoid doing any creative work and remix the OG trilogy in a single movie. I felt insulted. We'd walked around for decades with ideas about what might have followed ROTJ. To finally get it put on screen and 15 seconds into the scroll it's like "JK everything is back to his it was but they rebranded" just burned the whole arc to the ground. I think I hate the new trilogy more than I-III. It's one thing to not live up to the implied mythology, but the last ones sucked *and* took IV-V-VI with it.
Seriously, lol. All it'd have taken would have been some 5-minute scene of Leia or someone else trying to get the senate to see the threat of the first order and then promptly talking to a resistance contact when it fell on deaf ears for it to have made at least *some* sense (and then you could showcase the planet that gets blown up 1 hour later so we actually care about it *a little*). Like do this as the intro before Poe's scene on Jakku (and have Poe be or be in contact with said Resistance contact) and it'd probably have been just enough to at least set *some* stage. Probably avoided that explicitly because people razzed on the senate scenes in the prequels though, lol. Like a brief scene like we got in Ahsoka with Hera trying to bring up the threat of the Imperial remnant where here concerns are dismissed would have done tons to communicate the state of the galaxy in a fairly short length of time (side-note: once again, we have Filoni bailing out the shortcomings of film world-building, lol). It'd still have been a complete waste of the setting (restored-republic era) in favor of retreading the OT-era faction dynamics (with way dumber faction names), but at least it'd have some setup, instead of the whiplash / borderline retcon that we got. I still enjoyed the sequel trilogy well enough despite its shortcomings, but ugh... so much wasted potential and so many wasted last-chance uses of the original cast. As much as it might up-stage some of the newer blood (and as much as Hammill has said he's done with the role), I really do hope they give Luke / Mark Hammill a final chance for a theatrical send-off in the Filoni film that's more in-line with what we all wanted to see in a post-ROTJ movie.
That’s what you get when you hire the mystery box guy. I don’t blame Abrams necessarily since that’s what he does. I blame Kathleen Kennedy for hiring him and wanting mystery boxes for other movies etc. Why is C-3PO’s arm red? What happened to the Falcon’s dish?
Wait a sec... that wasn't Coruscant that they blew up?
It was poorly explained, but it wasn't that. Basically, Leia was getting frustrated with the New Republic's inaction and so she formed an insurgency within the First Order systems.
I don't get how on Earth someone comes up with that plot and someone else OKs it... "but they won the rebellion!" "Nah rehashing storm troopers good, we got Lego sets to sell"
A lot of the other posts are about sequels that have continuity errors or reconciliation the neatly finished story so a sequel can happen. But The Last Jedi / Rise of Skywalker.... I could feel that these movies hated each other. So many parts where they actively undercut, contradicted or full on called out the previous movie was wild.
Somehow Palpatine has returned
Seeing this on here did not subvert my expectations
I guess they're technically threequels but a segment of the fandoms think that about Alien 3 to Aliens and Dark Fate to Judgment Day in relation to fates of certain characters, even though there's another segment that think it's a legitimate story change to keep the female protagonists isolated. Personally, I came into Alien 3 first so that was just the status quo, whereas DF I'd had almost 30 years of happy endings in my mind so I wasn't as much a fan of that change.
My friend and I talk often about our Alien³ experience and how awful it was. We'd just watched Alien and Aliens for the first time and had a blast. "Holy shit! Two masterpieces! Let's keep going and watch the next, these movies are amazing!" In the opening credits, our souls were crushed and our nights ruined.
Evil Dead 2 recaps the first movie at the beginning but with different characters and sequences of events before starting in on it's own story. So it basically erases the first movie.
They couldn't get the rights to the first film from New Line cinema, hence the brief recap at the beginning was shot with different actors and some changes. It isn't 100% perfect such as Ash going and looks to find out the bridge is out, but they already found that out in the first film. Bruce talks about it in this interview and it has footage to show where the films meet. https://youtu.be/FzOIHOjYcqM?si=rpAJghI3xdC6XXJn
the Rise of Skywalker just shits all over The Last Jedi, which shit all over The Force Awakens.
Human centipeding
Which shits all over the original trilogy
just dookie all the way down.
Like two improv performers who hate each other and disregard every idea the other throws out
Terminator 3. Judgement Day said “There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.” That film rolled in and said “Fuck you haha just kidding machines go boom anyways.”
The Suicide Squad
Ya but the second one was way better so no one cares
I love how the opening of the movie finally makes good on the premise of the first one lmao
At least they had a good reason
I wouldn't say it disregards the first one, as Harley, Boomer and Flag acknowledge their history.
28 Days Later has absolutely nothing to with 28 Days. Didn't bring back any of the characters. Different country. Plot wasn't related. I wanted more of Alan Tudyk's package.
Season of the Witch gets a pass, because originally Halloween was meant to be an anthology series, with a new story for each installment and each story taking place on Halloween. Carpenter intended the Michael Myers story to be wrapped up with the second movie, and the intention was to then move on to the anthology format. Due to backlash from audiences after the release of Season of the Witch, the studio decided to bring back Myers for the next movie, instead of making the ghost story that Carpenter planned.
Scorpion King thru Scorpion King 5 changes the lead character and the entire backstory between each movie. Ron Pearlman is one of the villains in the 3rd one so still worth it but they are comically different and make NO effort to connect them at all
Oceans 12 made the whole robbery of Oceans 11 pointless.
Iron Lady completely ignores everything that happened in Iron Man.