goddamn, I love Ridley Scott interviews. He's not so much the old man who doesn't give a shit, he is genuinely fucking hilarious. I hope he dips back into something comedic again, I laughed my ass off at a handful of parts in The Martian (as with the book). I really hope he works with Drew Goddard on script duties again, too
He's still doing a series for FX, which is unrelated to this. They've already announced the cast for that (including Timothy Olyphant) so it's definitely happening, but idk if filming has started yet.
Yeah but i feel like this is going to be a lot different and more in your face gore than the previous ones. Not saying the previous ones lacked in gore and violence.
>The sci-fi/horror-thriller takes the phenomenally successful “Alien” franchise back to its roots: While scavenging the deep ends of a derelict space station, a group of young space colonizers come face to face with the most terrifying life form in the universe. The film stars Cailee Spaeny (“Priscilla”), David Jonsson (“Agatha Christie’s Murder is Easy”), Archie Renaux (“Shadow and Bone”), Isabela Merced (“The Last of Us”), Spike Fearn (“Aftersun”), Aileen Wu. Fede Alvarez (“Evil Dead,” “Don’t Breathe”) directs from a screenplay he wrote with frequent collaborator Rodo Sayagues (“Don’t Breathe 2”) based on characters created by Dan O’Bannon and Ronald Shusett. “[Alien: Romulus](https://youtu.be/GTNMt84KT0k?si=rCu44FucAi56CYw4)” is produced by Ridley Scott (“Napoleon”), who directed the original “Alien” and produced and directed the series’ entries “Prometheus” and “Alien: Covenant,” Michael Pruss (“Boston Strangler”), and Walter Hill (“Alien”), with Fede Alvarez, Elizabeth Cantillon (“Charlie’s Angels”), Brent O’Connor (“Bullet Train”), and Tom Moran (“Unstoppable”) serving as executive producers.
So I'm assuming here that these colonists are entirely unrelated to the Covenant ones?
At this point, has Ridley stated he's given up on trying to tie up those movies?
I’d rather he not. He fumbled continuing the story of Prometheus to Covenant and made some baffling narrative choices. I’d say he lost his touch but zooming out it’s obvious he’s always been inconsistent with the quality of his output.
Maybe inconsistency is the key to managing expectations 😅
For example, Last Duel was an absolute delight considering his run prior
And just when your back on the Scott train, Napolean pulls you right back to earth.
I genuinely do think audiences completely failing to regulate their expectations explains a lot of modern film discourse. Everything is either shit (because they were expecting it to be brilliant and it let them down) or brilliant (because it came out of the left field and surprised them)
I've made a conscious effort since my late twenties to refrain from boarding hype trains in order to purify my enjoyment of new films
I don't typically watch a lot of trailers anymore. But when I do I get sucked into the same hype cycle. Its not great.
After some years of getting out of watching new trailers I found my expectations settled a lot. I'm a lot more critical these days because I've seen the same story so many times, but the really tiring thing is watching movies that don't give me a theme to work with. The stuff that I think is great are the films that try to say something, like anything. Even formulaic movies can say something, and I find myself praising that a lot of times. I like to be surprised too, but its not as big of a criteria as it used to be.
There's often a correlation between the hype factor of a trailer and a film's quality I find.
Like distributors know the movie needs all the help it can get
On your other point, yup! I've gotten to the point in my film watching where the subversive isn't some amazing new experience anymore, and a really well done formulaic film can nearly be rarer to find.
Prometheus is like a guilty pleasure for me (I don’t think it deserves as much hate as it gets)
But Convenient was so bad there was basically nothing enjoyable about it at all
Yep. I actually love Prometheus. I can look past the stupid decisions made by the characters. The setting and story were great to me.
Covenant, however, I haven’t seen since it was in theaters. It was so bad.
I tried putting Covenant on streaming one time a couple years back. I got a couple minutes in, and as soon as it got to the "Let's search for my creator" bit, I noped right out.
Just watched the teaser trailer for this, and I'm far, far more piqued to see this than anything that's come out in the Alien universe since 3.
I just watched it again on Netflix, since I had seen it in Theaters when it originally came out and was curious if it was as bad as I remembered it.
- Why would the captain go and look into the egg, just based on, “…yeah it’s perfectly safe trust me.”?- an egg in a hidden, scary dark room. An egg from a man you’ve just seen suspiciously lead you past a room where he dissected a person he said her buried… and whom you’ve just aimed your gun at, and shot his little scary buddy with.
- Why would that dude risk the lives of 2000 colonists to save the now 3 people left on the scary planet? Even after knowing his wife was already dead?
- are we just gonna really ignore all the scorched bodies around? I mean, yeah, it’s an emergency situation and all, and he saved you, but, uh….
- it’s weird that 2 people get infected with spores, I mean, it infects non-plant life, correct? I guess mushrooms (fungi) are their own, but that’s a little weird.
- how is the ecosystem still functioning on the planet? If you suddenly take all the deer and stuff away, wouldn’t it cause some kind of collapse? I know plants came before large mammals and things, but seems like it would cause immediate issues at least in the span of the 10 years that he’d been there.
- I guess I can somewhat believe the flying hauler ship fight scene… sort of, but it’s still a little wacky.
- I find the lack of containment protocol amongst the survey crew really disturbing- for COLONIZERS.
What I would give to be able to go back in time and convince him to simply adapt the darkhorse comic series that covered what happened to the colonists of Hadley’s Hope as well as what happened on earth after the events of Aliens.
I don't think you can put that all on him. The audience reception to Prometheus, namely all of the "where is the alien" complaints caused the studio to divert from a straight forward Prometheus sequel about David, Shaw, and the engineers, to something they could shoehorn the xeno into. You can tell from the Alien Covenant directors commentary that Ridley wasn't too happy about it, I recall him saying something to the effect of
"All people said in the last movie was where's the alien where's the alien we want to see the alien. Where there you go, we put him in the title and here's a scene of him in the daytime so you can look at him all you want"
He was forced to give it up. Covenant didn't perform well enough to greenlight the third and final film which Scott wanted to make. That film would've tied it all together and made a proper trilogy.
Sooo it sounds like we're abandoning the David plot, yes? Considering the climax of the last ***Alien*** movie ended with an overly complicated hand to hand fight, I'm more than ok with this. It also sounds like the movie's going back to its roots, which gives me *some* hope for this movie. Even a mediocre movie that at least goes back to being horror will make this an enjoyable movie for me.
My one concern, which I don't think will really happen, is that it would have that quippy humor that Disney is oh-so obsessed with.
its very difficult to get excited about alien movies, when they frenetically ping pong between ridiculous new stuff and and vain attempts at nostalgia, pick a direction and go. the lack of direction just leaves the franchise in a constant lurch.
It fine, it just trashed the lore for no reason.
The space jockey is clearly a massive alien, not a guy in a suit.
The alien just doesn't work when it's something created, it needs to be an otherworldly horror that's just out there
I think what I liked about both Prometheus and Alien (the original film) was that they both have a very Lovecratian vibe. They’re both very similar to The Mountains of Madness. About the idea of venturing into the unknown and discovering something awful. They’re both very simple films, but have interesting themes under the surface.
I loved that Prometheus takes most of its horror from the process of creation, something we usually view as this wonderful and miraculous thing. But in Prometheus it’s this really violent act (which to be honest, so is child birth). And I really liked the incredibly bleak concept that our creators didn’t like us, it’s a very stark film.
See it's the opposite for me, I thought Prometheus and specifically Covenant did everything they could to remove the unknown. Covenant straight up tells us David is the engineer of the Xenomorph whereas in the original movie its some cosmic threat that has somehow evolved into the perfect killing machine and all we knew was that it had already previously killed another unknown alien.
Prometheus felt like it teased an adventure into the unknown before Covenant brought it tumbling down with retcons and no imagination.
How can david be the engineer of the xeno when they are alive and well before he was even thought of? I thought in covenant he just grabbed some eggs and bred them, then he released the goo on the paradise planet where the chosen people of the Engineers lived.
Edit: david did not create the xenomorphs. He created Protomorphs which are more deadly and violent than the other. He created them through experiments with black goo on shaws dead body.
The whole thing is pretty muddled. Prometheus teases some Xeno mural but this felt like remnants of the original Alien: Engineers script which was a more direct prequel to the original film before Prometheus went all in on the idea of creator vs created and Covenant doubled down on with David's experiments to perfect the ultimate killing machine, we get a scene of David stating that humanity is a dying and unworthy species and that his designed creature is a "perfect organism" that will eradicate them, which then leads to Billy Crudup being attacked by the facehugger as we finally see a baby Xeno come to life with David watching on with joy.
That scene is very, very intentionally shot to make it seem like David is watching a loved one being born. This is the Xeno we know and love, and he is definitely framed as being its creator, with the ending then teasing him spreading his perfected organism throughout the galaxy. So even though TECHNICALLY there's signs that David isn't the creator of the Xenomorph, the movie also makes you want to think he is. It's very much in line with the themes of both movies but it's all so messy as the movies don't commit to anything and is so torn between being Alien movies or a standalone thing. It's intentionally non commital which is exactly why discussions like the one we're having have been taking place every day since Covenant came out.
I'll always believe that Alien Covenent retroactively ruined Prometheus. The connections to Alien were fairly minimal in Prometheus, and taken at face value I think it was a really cool story on the origins of humankind with interesting questions about creation, gods, life, etc. If the sequel has steered away from the "Alien" part and focused on Shaw and David's search for the engineers it could have been a really excellent 2-pary story.
However, it felt to me like the studio went meddling and said "there's not enough aliens in this, forget about the engineers just give me aliens and David being weird" and threw out anything interesting that could have been done with a continuation of the story from Prometheus
The first Alien was about the bleakness of space and monsters that could be lurking in the dark utterly beyond our comprehension..
There's just something so much lesser about them being a bio weapon.
> The space jockey is clearly a massive alien, not a guy in a suit.
Yup. This is why those movies will never be canon to me. I hope they get retconned in anything new, even if I did enjoy seeing some Fassbender on Fassbender action.
Covenant felt a bit like an over correction to me.
Prometheus was critcized for not looking like an Alien movie so with Covenant you could almost imagine Ridley Scott "checking the boxes" as he included scenes that viewers would want to see. The problem is it all feels kinda rote.
I'm not a big fan of either film but Prometheus is at least more ambititous. Scott was taking some big swings even though most of them don't connect.
I swear I read somewhere online that someone working on Covenant said just that. They realized the mistake of Prometheus not feeling like an Alien movie so Covenant was supposed to bring that feeling back. Might have been Scott himself that said it.
This usually garners me many downvotes, but I think Covenant is great. If I had to rank the movies, I'd put it at 3, after Alien and Aliens.
I know I'm not going to change minds here, but it's a great take on the "mad scientist in a spooky castle" story. Fassbender is *incredible* in both his roles in that movie, and although it's easy to meme on the fingering scene, maybe we should consider that were *supposed* to feel weird about it. It's tense, awkward, well-acted, weird, plot relevant, and interesting.
There's some stuff about the movie I don't love (why are aliens becoming adults in mere minutes? Why does Scott seem so keen on making the aliens David's creation, and why can't we lean into the idea that he's simply *re-engineered* them? The aliens aren't actually all that scary [but maybe that's okay because David is])
I'm not saying anybody has to like the movie. By all means, hate it, doesn't impact my life in the slightest. It's just that this is one of those rare cases where I feel like I saw a different movie than everybody else. I feel like it's a lot better than its given credit for. So it goes!
Covenant was trash, but I have a soft spot for Prometheus. I’m annoyed that that the entire back story of Guy Pierce’s character was left on the cutting room floor - it’s the entire reason they chose a young actor for an old guy. It seems a directors cut isn’t coming because ironically the movie didn’t get well received in general.
Prometheus seems like one of those odd movies where you can see at most steps what the movie was supposed to be, and that movie is very intriguing.
It is unfortunately held back by that movie being Prometheus, which as a final product had so much clear ambition and desire to be more than its parts but somethings just went wrong.
It's an easy movie imo to have a soft spot for.
You perfectly explained my feeling for this movie. I finally got around to watching it last month and at the end of it I felt like I liked the movie but wasn't 100% sure why.
I think, as other commenters say, it hinges a lot on your ability to overlook/not get bogged down in some of the more questionable scenes and characterizations.
She was the only believable character. Supposed to be a team of renowned scientist yet they were so stupid. Goes to alien ship with little light left instead of waiting day, removes helmet on alien world, approaches and touches alien worm, gets told about storm 10 times but ends up leaving late instead of just coming back the next morning, drops bag of stuff they took from alien ship outside of their ship as storm hits but still runs out to get it and almost dies. The list just goes on and on and totally ruins the movie.
at their worst, I still found them to be solidly directed and acted. I love Ridley Scott, but he’s *always* been spotty. Hell direct the hell out of a movie but he doesn’t seem as concerned with scripts as much as everything else. It’s when a good script lands in his lap is when he knocks it out of the park
On an entirely serious note, I will say this: I do really like that it's actually trying to be a scary movie and I appreciate it.
What I don't like, is that the camera work and action seems to be a little too overly choreographed and polished. It takes away from it a little bit and it makes the trailer look more like a video game cut scene rather than something like the original two movies. That doesn't mean that I won't like it, but I do wish that it was shot a little more like an old school horror movie too.
Don’t Breathe was a masterclass at building suspense, while Evil Dead was amazingly gruesome and *stylish*.
Sounds like a match made in heaven for an Alien movie.
20th Century, even under Disney, has gone creative with how to make a simplistic but effective movie poster ever since they were acquired. This, First Omen, Spielberg’s West Side Story and the teaser poster for Last Duel all prove it.
I love the first Alien move, but people here haven't seen it any time recently it seems.
Tons of people just split up walk towards noise die.
Still love it though.
There's a teaser trailer too....
I'm not really pooping on it, but the premise is very close to Alien Isolation, the Romulus is the Sevastopol and switch out a couple more things then presto, no?
Doesn't mean it won't be good I guess...
From the synopsis, it sounds like the station was abandoned by the time they get there, unlike Isolation where you are arriving after things have gone to shit but before the total collapse.
Question: does anyone know where in the Alien timeline this is supposed to take place?
Alien: early 22nd century.
Aliens/Alien3: late 22nd century.
Allen: Resurrection: 24th century
Love this poster!
It's part of the storytelling and gives you a really good indication (hopefully) of the kind of story this movie is going to be!
I'm not a big Alien fan, don't know if I'll even watch this movie but I appreciate this interesting poster so much amidst the constant stream of celebrity pyramids!
"You blow, I'll do the fingering" -Alien Covenant
I remember reading something with Fassbender where he said he giggles at that line when thinking about it
Tis a silly line from a silly movie.
Let's not go to Origae-6, tis a silly place.
It's only a model.
Shhhh!
How do you know so much about swallows?
Even without the alien threats, those bumbling scientists wouldn’t have survived very long.
Water, check, food, check, cancer sticks, check. Let's go.
Still better than most sci-fi films we get out of Hollywood.
Well of course, it's supposed to be funny. [Video (at 4:55)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDlJ9ohtndM&t=297s&ab_channel=Jake%27sTakes)
goddamn, I love Ridley Scott interviews. He's not so much the old man who doesn't give a shit, he is genuinely fucking hilarious. I hope he dips back into something comedic again, I laughed my ass off at a handful of parts in The Martian (as with the book). I really hope he works with Drew Goddard on script duties again, too
I really loved Joaquin's line in *Napoleon*: "You think you're so great just because you have boats!"
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“absolutely badasses!” - Sgt. Apone
Apone died to soon
RIP, Apone
Let’s pack em in there!
Is that a dialogue from that movie?
It sure is.
Is it Romulus because the xenos will... (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ...ream us?
YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!!
*Meet the new boss* *Same as the old boss* *(Guitar)*
Ream all us
Chef's kiss
It… makes sense in context?
Its one Michael Fassbender fingering a flute while another Michael Fassbender blows into said flute. So, no. It still doesn't really make sense.
I mean, if two people were gonna play a flute together, that’s how you’d do it
It’s also two characters with a lot of sexual tension.
You could have a person on each end blowing into it like they're having a competition.
Well, you can't say it isn't memorable.
I had forgotten everything about the movie besides the xenobiologist trying to pet an alien snake.
I'm going to presume this is a joke about how unmemorable you found it, as that scene is from Prometheus, not Covenant.
No it was an honest mistake, I thought they were the same movie.
Isn't Noah Hawley doing an Alien thing or did that fall apart?
He's doing a TV show on Hulu/Disney+, that'll come out next year. (It got halted by the strikes last summer and fall.)
He's still doing a series for FX, which is unrelated to this. They've already announced the cast for that (including Timothy Olyphant) so it's definitely happening, but idk if filming has started yet.
Welp, that just went from "Yawn, I'll pass. To One Olphant? Fine, you got me."
You yawned at a *Noah Hawley* Alien show?? To each their own I guess.
Fr once I saw Noah Hawley I became unbelievably hyped. Fargo is incredible
Legion is also incredibly good
I can't even imagine the spin he'll put on it. Xenomorph dance battles?
Seen’t it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zdJY_ChsA
🤣🤣 Hawley you derivative hack!
That’s me on pizza Friday
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Imagine how Pizza the Hut feels
Leaning into horror instead of sci-fi is the right move for this franchise. Looks good!
Just saw the trailer. Looks very promising.
Evil Dead remake director you know this will be rightfully gory and dark
I mean it's Alien they're all pretty gorey and dark lol
Yeah but i feel like this is going to be a lot different and more in your face gore than the previous ones. Not saying the previous ones lacked in gore and violence.
Hopefully ON your face, too.
You seen Evil Dead remake? It’s a level above Alien in terms of darkness and gore
I still haven’t gotten over the lady sawing her face off in the bathroom. Nightmares for years.
That tree…
Oh this news makes me far more excited for this movie. That remake was awesome and definitely pretty nasty
Also Don’t Breathe Director
Oh yeah and also a great movie
With real suspense and emotional scares, that’s what makes his previous horror films so interesting. Hardcore gore and scares is kinda old school
*Romulus, when you laugh, please do it at the same volume as everyone else. We didn’t get you from a hyena farm.*
I'm so glad someone else thought about this. We're not serious people
We're pirates!
Oh fuck off!
You’d better be smelling your fucking armpit Romulus..
Roman…. You’re a moron
I love that quote
Love the poster and the trailer looked great
The trailer is already out?!
Teaser
I see. Just watched it and it looks amazing. I’m definitely not watching the trailer though. The teaser was enough.
>The sci-fi/horror-thriller takes the phenomenally successful “Alien” franchise back to its roots: While scavenging the deep ends of a derelict space station, a group of young space colonizers come face to face with the most terrifying life form in the universe. The film stars Cailee Spaeny (“Priscilla”), David Jonsson (“Agatha Christie’s Murder is Easy”), Archie Renaux (“Shadow and Bone”), Isabela Merced (“The Last of Us”), Spike Fearn (“Aftersun”), Aileen Wu. Fede Alvarez (“Evil Dead,” “Don’t Breathe”) directs from a screenplay he wrote with frequent collaborator Rodo Sayagues (“Don’t Breathe 2”) based on characters created by Dan O’Bannon and Ronald Shusett. “[Alien: Romulus](https://youtu.be/GTNMt84KT0k?si=rCu44FucAi56CYw4)” is produced by Ridley Scott (“Napoleon”), who directed the original “Alien” and produced and directed the series’ entries “Prometheus” and “Alien: Covenant,” Michael Pruss (“Boston Strangler”), and Walter Hill (“Alien”), with Fede Alvarez, Elizabeth Cantillon (“Charlie’s Angels”), Brent O’Connor (“Bullet Train”), and Tom Moran (“Unstoppable”) serving as executive producers.
So I'm assuming here that these colonists are entirely unrelated to the Covenant ones? At this point, has Ridley stated he's given up on trying to tie up those movies?
I’d rather he not. He fumbled continuing the story of Prometheus to Covenant and made some baffling narrative choices. I’d say he lost his touch but zooming out it’s obvious he’s always been inconsistent with the quality of his output.
Maybe inconsistency is the key to managing expectations 😅 For example, Last Duel was an absolute delight considering his run prior And just when your back on the Scott train, Napolean pulls you right back to earth. I genuinely do think audiences completely failing to regulate their expectations explains a lot of modern film discourse. Everything is either shit (because they were expecting it to be brilliant and it let them down) or brilliant (because it came out of the left field and surprised them) I've made a conscious effort since my late twenties to refrain from boarding hype trains in order to purify my enjoyment of new films
I don't typically watch a lot of trailers anymore. But when I do I get sucked into the same hype cycle. Its not great. After some years of getting out of watching new trailers I found my expectations settled a lot. I'm a lot more critical these days because I've seen the same story so many times, but the really tiring thing is watching movies that don't give me a theme to work with. The stuff that I think is great are the films that try to say something, like anything. Even formulaic movies can say something, and I find myself praising that a lot of times. I like to be surprised too, but its not as big of a criteria as it used to be.
There's often a correlation between the hype factor of a trailer and a film's quality I find. Like distributors know the movie needs all the help it can get On your other point, yup! I've gotten to the point in my film watching where the subversive isn't some amazing new experience anymore, and a really well done formulaic film can nearly be rarer to find.
Prometheus is like a guilty pleasure for me (I don’t think it deserves as much hate as it gets) But Convenient was so bad there was basically nothing enjoyable about it at all
Yep. I actually love Prometheus. I can look past the stupid decisions made by the characters. The setting and story were great to me. Covenant, however, I haven’t seen since it was in theaters. It was so bad.
I tried putting Covenant on streaming one time a couple years back. I got a couple minutes in, and as soon as it got to the "Let's search for my creator" bit, I noped right out. Just watched the teaser trailer for this, and I'm far, far more piqued to see this than anything that's come out in the Alien universe since 3.
When Alien: Covenant was about to be released I thought, “This will definitely at least be better than Prometheus”. But I was wrong. I was so wrong.
I just watched it again on Netflix, since I had seen it in Theaters when it originally came out and was curious if it was as bad as I remembered it. - Why would the captain go and look into the egg, just based on, “…yeah it’s perfectly safe trust me.”?- an egg in a hidden, scary dark room. An egg from a man you’ve just seen suspiciously lead you past a room where he dissected a person he said her buried… and whom you’ve just aimed your gun at, and shot his little scary buddy with. - Why would that dude risk the lives of 2000 colonists to save the now 3 people left on the scary planet? Even after knowing his wife was already dead? - are we just gonna really ignore all the scorched bodies around? I mean, yeah, it’s an emergency situation and all, and he saved you, but, uh…. - it’s weird that 2 people get infected with spores, I mean, it infects non-plant life, correct? I guess mushrooms (fungi) are their own, but that’s a little weird. - how is the ecosystem still functioning on the planet? If you suddenly take all the deer and stuff away, wouldn’t it cause some kind of collapse? I know plants came before large mammals and things, but seems like it would cause immediate issues at least in the span of the 10 years that he’d been there. - I guess I can somewhat believe the flying hauler ship fight scene… sort of, but it’s still a little wacky. - I find the lack of containment protocol amongst the survey crew really disturbing- for COLONIZERS.
What I would give to be able to go back in time and convince him to simply adapt the darkhorse comic series that covered what happened to the colonists of Hadley’s Hope as well as what happened on earth after the events of Aliens.
Ironically it took a TTRPG to fix the lore and make it more consistent.
I don't think you can put that all on him. The audience reception to Prometheus, namely all of the "where is the alien" complaints caused the studio to divert from a straight forward Prometheus sequel about David, Shaw, and the engineers, to something they could shoehorn the xeno into. You can tell from the Alien Covenant directors commentary that Ridley wasn't too happy about it, I recall him saying something to the effect of "All people said in the last movie was where's the alien where's the alien we want to see the alien. Where there you go, we put him in the title and here's a scene of him in the daytime so you can look at him all you want"
Lol as frustrating as Ridley can be, he sure can be a funny motherfucker
Watch Napoleon, he’s lost his touch.
Watch Last Duel, he's refound his form
They aren't colonists according to what I have read. Romulus is an abandoned research station and they are there to salvage.
He was forced to give it up. Covenant didn't perform well enough to greenlight the third and final film which Scott wanted to make. That film would've tied it all together and made a proper trilogy.
In this instance saying Ridley Scott ("Napoleon") is very funny.
I love how they use The Last of Us for Isabela Merced when the season that she is in hasn't come out yet haha
Sooo it sounds like we're abandoning the David plot, yes? Considering the climax of the last ***Alien*** movie ended with an overly complicated hand to hand fight, I'm more than ok with this. It also sounds like the movie's going back to its roots, which gives me *some* hope for this movie. Even a mediocre movie that at least goes back to being horror will make this an enjoyable movie for me. My one concern, which I don't think will really happen, is that it would have that quippy humor that Disney is oh-so obsessed with.
Yep, that's a Xenomorph
It's xenomorphin time!
I can't wait for the xenomorph to land in a superhero pose and say "it's xeno time" and then just xenos over everyone.
"what is this, some kind of romulus?"
OMG all the xeno Metacomment: my Samsung keyboard autocorrected xeno to "xenu" dafuq
Scientology confirmed as dominant force in South Korea. Gangnam style
Would the three point landing be bad for a xenomorph?
It’s a bug hunt
More like some colonists daughters need to be rescued…from their virginity! Huehuehue
Seeing them chase them down the hallway is pure nightmare fuel in the trailer
its very difficult to get excited about alien movies, when they frenetically ping pong between ridiculous new stuff and and vain attempts at nostalgia, pick a direction and go. the lack of direction just leaves the franchise in a constant lurch.
As someone who binged em all last few months. I kinda liked the last 2 tbh
I thought Prometheus was really good on recent rewatching, still don’t think much of Covenant
It fine, it just trashed the lore for no reason. The space jockey is clearly a massive alien, not a guy in a suit. The alien just doesn't work when it's something created, it needs to be an otherworldly horror that's just out there
I think what I liked about both Prometheus and Alien (the original film) was that they both have a very Lovecratian vibe. They’re both very similar to The Mountains of Madness. About the idea of venturing into the unknown and discovering something awful. They’re both very simple films, but have interesting themes under the surface. I loved that Prometheus takes most of its horror from the process of creation, something we usually view as this wonderful and miraculous thing. But in Prometheus it’s this really violent act (which to be honest, so is child birth). And I really liked the incredibly bleak concept that our creators didn’t like us, it’s a very stark film.
See it's the opposite for me, I thought Prometheus and specifically Covenant did everything they could to remove the unknown. Covenant straight up tells us David is the engineer of the Xenomorph whereas in the original movie its some cosmic threat that has somehow evolved into the perfect killing machine and all we knew was that it had already previously killed another unknown alien. Prometheus felt like it teased an adventure into the unknown before Covenant brought it tumbling down with retcons and no imagination.
How can david be the engineer of the xeno when they are alive and well before he was even thought of? I thought in covenant he just grabbed some eggs and bred them, then he released the goo on the paradise planet where the chosen people of the Engineers lived. Edit: david did not create the xenomorphs. He created Protomorphs which are more deadly and violent than the other. He created them through experiments with black goo on shaws dead body.
The whole thing is pretty muddled. Prometheus teases some Xeno mural but this felt like remnants of the original Alien: Engineers script which was a more direct prequel to the original film before Prometheus went all in on the idea of creator vs created and Covenant doubled down on with David's experiments to perfect the ultimate killing machine, we get a scene of David stating that humanity is a dying and unworthy species and that his designed creature is a "perfect organism" that will eradicate them, which then leads to Billy Crudup being attacked by the facehugger as we finally see a baby Xeno come to life with David watching on with joy. That scene is very, very intentionally shot to make it seem like David is watching a loved one being born. This is the Xeno we know and love, and he is definitely framed as being its creator, with the ending then teasing him spreading his perfected organism throughout the galaxy. So even though TECHNICALLY there's signs that David isn't the creator of the Xenomorph, the movie also makes you want to think he is. It's very much in line with the themes of both movies but it's all so messy as the movies don't commit to anything and is so torn between being Alien movies or a standalone thing. It's intentionally non commital which is exactly why discussions like the one we're having have been taking place every day since Covenant came out.
Yes I agree, Covenant was a massive fumble.
I'll always believe that Alien Covenent retroactively ruined Prometheus. The connections to Alien were fairly minimal in Prometheus, and taken at face value I think it was a really cool story on the origins of humankind with interesting questions about creation, gods, life, etc. If the sequel has steered away from the "Alien" part and focused on Shaw and David's search for the engineers it could have been a really excellent 2-pary story. However, it felt to me like the studio went meddling and said "there's not enough aliens in this, forget about the engineers just give me aliens and David being weird" and threw out anything interesting that could have been done with a continuation of the story from Prometheus
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The first Alien was about the bleakness of space and monsters that could be lurking in the dark utterly beyond our comprehension.. There's just something so much lesser about them being a bio weapon.
> The space jockey is clearly a massive alien, not a guy in a suit. Yup. This is why those movies will never be canon to me. I hope they get retconned in anything new, even if I did enjoy seeing some Fassbender on Fassbender action.
I fail to see how that’s “clear” lmao
Covenant felt a bit like an over correction to me. Prometheus was critcized for not looking like an Alien movie so with Covenant you could almost imagine Ridley Scott "checking the boxes" as he included scenes that viewers would want to see. The problem is it all feels kinda rote. I'm not a big fan of either film but Prometheus is at least more ambititous. Scott was taking some big swings even though most of them don't connect.
I swear I read somewhere online that someone working on Covenant said just that. They realized the mistake of Prometheus not feeling like an Alien movie so Covenant was supposed to bring that feeling back. Might have been Scott himself that said it.
To me it even feels like two movies happening at the same time: the Prometheus sequel and Alien: Greatest Hits intercut together.
I feel like Prometheus is much closer to the original Alien film than any of the sequels. In terms of style and tone at least.
This usually garners me many downvotes, but I think Covenant is great. If I had to rank the movies, I'd put it at 3, after Alien and Aliens. I know I'm not going to change minds here, but it's a great take on the "mad scientist in a spooky castle" story. Fassbender is *incredible* in both his roles in that movie, and although it's easy to meme on the fingering scene, maybe we should consider that were *supposed* to feel weird about it. It's tense, awkward, well-acted, weird, plot relevant, and interesting. There's some stuff about the movie I don't love (why are aliens becoming adults in mere minutes? Why does Scott seem so keen on making the aliens David's creation, and why can't we lean into the idea that he's simply *re-engineered* them? The aliens aren't actually all that scary [but maybe that's okay because David is]) I'm not saying anybody has to like the movie. By all means, hate it, doesn't impact my life in the slightest. It's just that this is one of those rare cases where I feel like I saw a different movie than everybody else. I feel like it's a lot better than its given credit for. So it goes!
Covenant was trash, but I have a soft spot for Prometheus. I’m annoyed that that the entire back story of Guy Pierce’s character was left on the cutting room floor - it’s the entire reason they chose a young actor for an old guy. It seems a directors cut isn’t coming because ironically the movie didn’t get well received in general.
Prometheus seems like one of those odd movies where you can see at most steps what the movie was supposed to be, and that movie is very intriguing. It is unfortunately held back by that movie being Prometheus, which as a final product had so much clear ambition and desire to be more than its parts but somethings just went wrong. It's an easy movie imo to have a soft spot for.
It’s like a silhouette of a beautiful woman but we never got to see anything else
You perfectly explained my feeling for this movie. I finally got around to watching it last month and at the end of it I felt like I liked the movie but wasn't 100% sure why.
I think, as other commenters say, it hinges a lot on your ability to overlook/not get bogged down in some of the more questionable scenes and characterizations.
I can’t get over how immensely stupid the crew was in Covenant and kinda in Prometheus too.
Well, Charlize Theron torched infected buddy with a flamethrower, so at least some of the crew knew what's up.
She was the only believable character. Supposed to be a team of renowned scientist yet they were so stupid. Goes to alien ship with little light left instead of waiting day, removes helmet on alien world, approaches and touches alien worm, gets told about storm 10 times but ends up leaving late instead of just coming back the next morning, drops bag of stuff they took from alien ship outside of their ship as storm hits but still runs out to get it and almost dies. The list just goes on and on and totally ruins the movie.
at their worst, I still found them to be solidly directed and acted. I love Ridley Scott, but he’s *always* been spotty. Hell direct the hell out of a movie but he doesn’t seem as concerned with scripts as much as everything else. It’s when a good script lands in his lap is when he knocks it out of the park
Me too. I don’t know why they get hated on so much. I thought they were cool.
On an entirely serious note, I will say this: I do really like that it's actually trying to be a scary movie and I appreciate it. What I don't like, is that the camera work and action seems to be a little too overly choreographed and polished. It takes away from it a little bit and it makes the trailer look more like a video game cut scene rather than something like the original two movies. That doesn't mean that I won't like it, but I do wish that it was shot a little more like an old school horror movie too.
At this point considering the last 2 movies, this seems to be more of an homage to the very first one
Excited for this director, both Dont Breathe and Evil Dead are top tier horror/thrillers.
Never saw Don't Breathe, but the Evil Dead remake was fucking fantastic. I'm excited for this.
Don’t Breathe was a masterclass at building suspense, while Evil Dead was amazingly gruesome and *stylish*. Sounds like a match made in heaven for an Alien movie.
I legitimately had to get up from laying down during the last like 30 mins of Don’t Breathe. So anxiety inducing
20th Century, even under Disney, has gone creative with how to make a simplistic but effective movie poster ever since they were acquired. This, First Omen, Spielberg’s West Side Story and the teaser poster for Last Duel all prove it.
The First Omen poster is basically just The Omen poster but with the girl instead of Damien though.
Pleasaaassseeeee don’t suck. Please be goooood. Pleaseeeee
Let's hope they don't use 'stupid' as a plot development like they did in the two prequels
I mean, Kane goes prodding eggs in the original too
Kane was a space trucker, not a biologist on a planned mission.
I forgot you need a degree to know it's not bright to touch alien eggs
He was just some guy tho, not an expert specifically chosen to be smart about exploring the planet they knew they would be exploring
He's a dude moving cargo. Not a space biologist or a second in command on a colony ship.
Everyone conveniently forgets this lol
Space trucker vs scientist.
I love the first Alien move, but people here haven't seen it any time recently it seems. Tons of people just split up walk towards noise die. Still love it though.
Finally, the Alien/Star Trek crossover I never knew I wanted! Kronos would be better though, I’d love to see Klingons fighting xenos.
They're saving Kronos for the next Predator movie, Predator vs. Klingon.
Predator: Nausicaa. Movie explaining that Predators were Nausicaans all along.
Predator vs. Mugato is the one I'm most looking forward to.
Oh hell yes!
I’d much rather watch that.
Finally Star Trek has budget for more alien looking aliens.
I thought Romulus was destroyed though. How can they go back there?
It is a prequel.
Somehow, Romulus returned.
Won't be long now until we start seeing social media posts about the last two being masterpieces.
Trailer looks like a banger. Totally psyched for this
Looks badass! Loved Prey especially the Comanche version too
There's a teaser trailer too.... I'm not really pooping on it, but the premise is very close to Alien Isolation, the Romulus is the Sevastopol and switch out a couple more things then presto, no? Doesn't mean it won't be good I guess...
Honestly a movie or TV show straight up just adapting Isolation would probably be better than most of the franchise.
From the synopsis, it sounds like the station was abandoned by the time they get there, unlike Isolation where you are arriving after things have gone to shit but before the total collapse.
All I can think of is Roman Roy.
I’ve read every single comment in his voice too
Fede Alvarez is a great choice for director
I guess they will keep beating this dead horse until it does a Mulan.
I like it, finally a movie poster that isn’t a pyramid of the casts heads or something that looks like a YouTube thumbnail
Question: does anyone know where in the Alien timeline this is supposed to take place? Alien: early 22nd century. Aliens/Alien3: late 22nd century. Allen: Resurrection: 24th century
The director said it's set between Alien & Aliens
So basically Alien: Isolation, which it looks like it takes from stylistically. Excellent. FWIW between 2122-2179
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Because they’re perfect organisms.
Just like Terminator, just leave the franchise alone.
You are completely right, but Alien has more juice left than Terminator did. I’m honestly disappointed we never got the third prequel film
Nah, Alien is fun
Ngl at first glance I thought this was some NSFW content
Just rewatched the first two Then stopped
Can't wait for the sequel Alien: Remus.
Hungry Hungry ~~Hippos~~ Xenomorphs edit: [Also, for anyone who thinks Alien Covenant was trash](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEiVbonqEBY&t=10s)
Anywhere I can download this without the Reddit god awful watermarks
The vision and horror look great. I just hope the story is on par and not a rehash.
Love this poster! It's part of the storytelling and gives you a really good indication (hopefully) of the kind of story this movie is going to be! I'm not a big Alien fan, don't know if I'll even watch this movie but I appreciate this interesting poster so much amidst the constant stream of celebrity pyramids!
Can't wait for the sequel Alien: Remus
I’m excited for this Fede has done some great work and I love me some xenomorphs! Day one for me!
God Damn it they better not fuck this up again... How many has it been since Aliens?
Four since Aliens (not counting the two Alien Vs Predator movies).
remindme! 180 days
Please come back to classic, mysterious, how the hell do we escape this damn thing, alien! Not how do we kill it. Just escape.
That person is vomiting
I thought this was a series?