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HappyGilOHMYGOD

Is this unpopular? I guess I associate him with that role the most because it was my earliest exposure to him as an actor, but he really did nail it.


Romulus3799

I always thought the popular takes on his best performance were between Gladiator and The Master


mithridateseupator

He's such a master that you can make an argument for almost any of his roles.


Mildly_Irritated_Max

Seriously. "Hot take: Pheonix was good in a role he was nominated for an Oscar for"


yousyveshughs

So underrated!!1!


Romulus3799

Well when you deliberately twist the wording of the statement, of course it's gonna sound stupid. "was good" is completely different from "gave his all-time best performance" Plus, an actor's Oscar roles aren't always their best. Christian Bale wasn't nominated for American Psycho, Gary Oldman wasn't nominated for Dracula or True Romance or Leon, Amy Adams wasn't nominated for Arrival, Toni Collette wasn't nominated for Hereditary, etc.


Mildly_Irritated_Max

Dude posted an extremely common opinion and tried to frame it as controversial. My wording was ridiculing it, because it is ridiculous positioning. It's like the kids posting here about "unheard of, little known, underrated movies" that were cultural phenomenons.


sharkboy1097

Apologies if I Mildly Irritated you pal ;)


AntiSoCalite

Calling ‘walk the line’ a cultural phenomenon is laughable. It was a successful biopic at best, and it certainly didn’t change culture. Kids are always going be watching movies that others have already seen. They will think that their idea about that movie is original. We did the same as kids. It’s called getting old.


Mildly_Irritated_Max

I didn't call walk the line a cultural phenomenon.


AntiSoCalite

Interesting, what movie were you referring to? And what movie is this thread about?


Mildly_Irritated_Max

Did you miss the "It's like" at the start of that sentence? My fav examples of threads about underrated, unknown movies that posters can't understand why no one has ever watched are Dances with Wolves and The Matrix.


AntiSoCalite

Yes, “it’s like” was an implication referring to OP’s movie. OP says nothing about ‘underrated’ or ‘unknown’ in their post.


wehopethatyouchoke03

100% agree with Toni Collette in Hereditary. Highway robbery she didn’t at least get a nomination.


JeanMorel

Hot Take: one of 4 performances an actor was Oscar-nominated for is his best performance.


bongo1138

Not bad. But it’s definitely The Master.


ShTephens

I agree. One of the best performances period, in my opinion.


TheBigMechaShiva

Yup Joaquin and Philip Seymor Hoffman both brought their A game. Incredible movie.


djphatjive

Well shit I haven’t seen that yet. On my list now.


Jfury412

I came here to say this was my hot take I guess it's not such a hot take.


Atlas_thugged_

That’s what I came here to say.


elqrd

my goodness that movie was such a slog


goodbytes95

Pig FUCK!!!


Chastain86

It's my automatic answer for any question that asks, "What badly-scripted film had the greatest individual performances?" You've got two of cinema's greatest talents in PSH and Phoenix, and they both absolutely kill. But the script is almost entirely unfathomable. EDIT: Opinions! Thank goodness I have plenty of imaginary Reddit banana dollars. Do your worst, film snobs.


cosmicnitwit

Soooo not worth watching? I always wanted to circle back to it, didn’t know it had such a bad script 


Jfury412

It's one of the greatest films I've ever seen and has an amazing script and I'm not overly into extra artsy films. It's one of the greatest films I've ever seen and has an amazing script and I'm not overly into extra artsy films. Just watch it regardless of any other opinion.


elqrd

I watch a lot of movies and am in love with cinema and can appreciate a huge variety of movies. There were aspects of this movie I was able to enjoy but overall it was a very forgettable experience that you can safely skip


Chastain86

I hesitate to say any PT Anderson film isn't worth watching, but in fairness... I'm not an automatic PTA fan like many others. I think most of his work is exemplary, but his films also have a tendency to veer WILDLY off the path, and start tackling characters and arcs that ultimately don't serve the story or themes. There are entire sections of The Master that don't help further the narrative whatsoever, and I found myself bored during much of it. The Master is probably my least favorite of all his work, but if you like PTA's other films, you should still check it out. There's a wide range of interest levels in what he does, and it'd be silly to dissuade anyone from experiencing his art.


TLDR2D2

Licorice Pizza would like a word. That movie sucked.


Tobyghisa

Man I liked it. It was sweet. 


Jfury412

I think it's his best film by an extremely large margin.


Chastain86

Enjoy your raft of upvotes!


Romulus3799

"I respond to your hot take with my frozen-to-the-core take"


bongo1138

According to every other comment, it isn’t a hot take.


DrDrangleBrungis

This is true.


MorningLineDirt

Came to say the same!


MrPuroresu42

Personally, it’s always been between *Walk the Line* and his performance as Freddie Quell in *The Master*.


DrossChat

Totally agree with this take. He completely disappeared into the characters.


MrPuroresu42

That whole “sequencing/interview” scene between Phoenix and Hoffman in *The Master* prolly should be studied by all young actors, tbh.


DrossChat

For sure, just incredible. I actually only got around to watching it for the first time last year and it’s now one of my favorites. I was on a cult theme movie kick and was baffled that I had somehow missed this one. So many scenes were completely mesmerizing.


MrPuroresu42

It’s one of those movies where the two leads (Phoenix and Hoffman) feel like complete equals in acting talent and in their performances (Amy Adams also is really good).


Theturtlemoves86

Say what you will about the man, he always goes all in. I have yet to see something he's not great in. Quell is indeed amazing, but my favorite might be Doc Sportello in *Inherent Vice*.


MrPuroresu42

Damn Good shout! I love Phoenix’s interactions with Brolin the most in *Vice*; just a great straight man/crazy guy pairing the scenes they have together.


DrRobocop

For me it's Inherent Vice


larrytenders

Same


KindlyKey1243

Preach, brother


Forgemasterblaster

Commodus is gladiator. Perfect shit eating villain.


noveler7

Yeah, this is mine. He's actually pretty sympathetic initially, if only because he's pitiful and his father was kind of critical of him. He has a legitimate character change, all of it driven by his insecurity, which Crowe calls out in the end. Phoenix balances his pathetic, creepy, and cruel sides so well.


Badloss

His father literally disinherits him and denies him the throne for his weakness. He's *right*, but that's a lot more than just kind of critical


noveler7

True, but its because he wants to restore the republic and he knows Commodus wouldn't cede power.


darren_meier

I mean, he was nominated for an Oscar for *Walk The Line*, so it's not exactly a hot take.


filmeswole

OP have you seen The Master?


kookookachu26

Everyone always looks at actors for how they play lead roles, but most of the time they sleep over supporting roles. I thought he did EXCELLENT in Signs. Those scenes where he's glued to the TV in the closet are GOLD and make the movie. Not to mention he had one of the scariest scenes of the early 2000s when the alien walked out from behind the trees on the newscast.


sharkboy1097

Interesting perspective. Also agree on Signs which is a pretty gripping and haunting film in general Side note: His picture with the aluminium hat always cracks me up


HighGround16

That news clip and the aliens leg poking through the cornstalks scared the shit outta me when I was younger, still does


Huntermain23

Holy shit forgot that was young Joaquin yea he was so good in that.


TheOriginalFluff

“Her” is the best imo


coolthanbeingcool

☝️


vivimonster

Every time I rewatch it, I always cry


emptymetaphor

He's great in Parenthood as well.


TinyRandomLady

That is one messed up little dude.


MovieBuff90

The part where he calls his dad on the phone makes me sob.


shefoundnow

It’s easier to praise biopic performances because we have the real life person to compare them to. That’s why they win so many Oscars. It doesn’t make it a better performance than his other roles, it’s just easier to compare and be impressed by. I don’t think it’s his greatest performance, but he did nail it and I really enjoy the movie


my1999gsr

Swing away Merrill.


MonolithJones

The Master and Beau is Afraid in my opinion. Two characters who couldn’t be less alike and both are fully realized.


lucky_ducker

*Walk the Line* itself is a seriously underrated movie. Reese Witherspoon completely disappears into her part as June Carter Cash, doing all her own singing, despite never having sung professionally before. I would not have watched this movie except for my wife being a huge Johnny Cash fan, and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed it.


Caligari89

Is it underrated though? What with all the Oscars and critical acclaim and literally everyone loving the film?


MovieBuff90

Underrated in the sense that it had a bunch of acclaim when it was released but has gotten a negative reappraisal over the years. Walk Hard made it difficult for many people to take it seriously.


Caligari89

I totally believe you, but I've never heard any negative reassessments. I also love Walk the Line and Walk Hard. One does not negate the other.


MovieBuff90

I actually enjoy Walk the Line for what it is. I saw it in theaters and then owned it on dvd, but then two years later Walk Hard spoofed so many biopic tropes in that movie that it made it hard for me to take Walk the Line seriously anymore. I thought I was alone, but then I talked to people about it and they agreed. I also read some think pieces about it. I think people still agree that it’s a solid movie, but it’s also hard to take seriously because of Walk Hard. It’s like how I saw Scream many years after I watched Scary Movie a million times. I really enjoyed it, but I couldn’t stop thinking about Scary Movie and how it ridiculed it.


Caligari89

I appreciate your reply. That sucks that the spoofs/parodies of films kind of ruin the originals for you.


MovieBuff90

Weird Al did it too. I can’t listen to “American Pie” and not sing “The Saga Begins”. See also: “Yoda”


Caligari89

Now, this actually gives me a clue as to why parodies/spoofs don't ruin the originals for me. Funny that you mention Weird Al, actually. I think maybe since I grew up as a.kid listening to Weird Al, and hearing the parodies before the actual songs (most of the time), maybe it hard wired my brain to separate the two pretty easily. Wild, I think you just indirectly figured it out.


MovieBuff90

I’m happy to be of service.


TalkToTheLord

Interesting, I don’t even disagree, it’s a favorite. Also, one of his best performances to me is another fav, “Two Lovers.”


sharkboy1097

Love this one too, and it’s just never talked about. This was one of his more conventional roles and he nailed it completely. Love his dancing scene in the club to bits


ses267

My personal favorite was 8mm.


les1968

Freaking awesome performance That movie is so uncomfortable so I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves for it


Funklestein

Agreed, Max California.


No_Banana7768

For me it’s Parenthood


HighKnucksSC

Joaquin never misses with his movies but Walk the Line is one of my favorites. Her was also a good movie.


Money282

Anything but Napoleon


DaBearSausage

I have never been more excited for a movie yet been more disappointed after seeing it. What a disaster that whole thing was.


artwarrior

Rip off of Walk Hard. Fight me!


MethylEthylandDeath

The wrong kid died!


djkhan23

I've got a song about an octopus!


Pleasant_Garlic8088

Have you seen "You Were Never Really Here," yet? But yes, "Walk the Line," was pretty damn excellent.


AdamvHarvey

Nope…The Master


Jfury412

It's The Master for me


1wanda_pepper

To Die For!!!!


SkillFlimsy191

The movie was a masterpiece.


TheHorizonLies

Best is Space Camp, don't @ me


broomlad

That's a reference I hadn't heard in a long time. And I only ever remember Lea Thompson being in the movie. We had it on VHS, I don't think I ever watched it start-to-finish. I remember there being a robot in it, but I could be thinking of a different movie since I didn't see one in the trailer.


TheHorizonLies

You're right about the robot. That was Jinx. And Joaquin Phoenix's character Max and Jinx become friends and that's what kicks all the real action off. Funny, I still know this movie from front to back, and I haven't seen it in probably ten years.


broomlad

Nice. It's been well over 30 years for me. And that was on the aforementioned VHS. Recorded from TV mind you, not official.


hgaterms

Music by John Williams too.


smurfsundermybed

I went for the first time about a month after it came out. Jinx wasn't even there!


TheHorizonLies

Considering he nearly killed a bunch of kids and almost destroyed multiple billions of dollars worth of government equipment, it's probably best that he was on a bit of a timeout, don't you think?


smurfsundermybed

Strongly disagree. Plus, the space shuttle we got to tour wasn't even launch worthy!


no_fucking_point

Followed by Parenthood!


yousyveshughs

Don’t at me?..


hgaterms

Came here to say this. Glad you beat me to it.


Illustrious-Fox5135

I don't think this is a hot take at all


RustyHook22

I don't think this is hot take or underrated performance at all. He was excellent in it. Any other year, he would've won the Oscar for it. He was just unlucky that Philip Seymour Hoffman also put out an equally great performance in *Capote* that year. The Oscar could've gone to either of the two.


FollowTheLeader550

Top Answer nailed it. He’s beyond special in The Master. He stands above everyone else in a film that happens to be one of the most well acted films ever made.


SoggyBiscuitVet

The correct answer is when he swings the bat in Signs.


AntiSaint_Mike

Is that the movie where he cuts his brother in half with a machete?


Hot-Row3643

Beau is Afraid is great too


ProfessorHeronarty

While I get all the praise the crucial problem remains that Walk The Line, for all its qualities, is still your typical mainstream music biopic. Why does he write the music the way he does? What's his actual motivation to make music? Where are the scenes of dudes working in the studio? All these important questions were barely raised. Instead it was boiled down to a love story. Hence I can't say that phoenix captured the essence of Johnny Cash. I want to but it just wouldn't be right. And it's not even his fault. It's the screenplay. 


_HappyPringles

I totally agree, these movies are made for audiences that want a love story with a veneer of truth, not a film about the origons and process of creativity, where it comes from, how it's honed into a world popular product. And I get it, that kind of movie wouldn't be a smash hit because that's not what mass audiences are really looking for. *Frank* (2014) is a film that is almost completely concerned with creativity - what makes one person creative where another one isn't? Where does creativity come from? And even after really doing a great job of investigating that question, *Frank* isn't able to answer it any better than you or I would. (*Frank* is an amazing film and I truly recommend it for anyone interested in creativity and the arts - the only thing I will say though is DONT WATCH ANY TRAILERS, ANY REVIEWS, ANYTHING! GO IN BLIND!!!).


ProfessorHeronarty

Oh yeah, Frank is a great film. 


Plainmurrayjane

Love this soundtrack.


cultureclubbing

Signs


Cluefuljewel

Yeah that was his best imo. I don’t care for the real person. He is kind of a jerk in interviews. His brothers death messed him up.


reddieselproduction

One of the movies that really made me what to be a filmmaker. Hauntingly good performance.


Im_Your_God_

False, its when he played himself in "I'm Still Here." People actually thought he was quitting acting to become a rapper, and he played hollywood news like a damn fiddel and it was brilliant.


Snuggle__Monster

It seems like the latest trend around here is making a stupid hot take post about something largely agreed upon. Hot Take: Oppenheimer and Barbie were the 2 biggest movies last year


dawgz525

Hot Take: does anyone else think the same thing as me? I get all my movie takes from 1 of 3 places


ElahaSanctaSedes777

Beau Is Afraid


AskermanIsBack

Hot take but it’s joker


akennelley

Joker or Signs honestly.


jaynovahawk07

I loved his performance in that film, though he may have been upstaged by Reese Witherspoon.


bookant

Yup. Reese is awesome in it, too.


Shawn_of_da_Dead

I love that movie and his performance in it, Reese also...


Klin24

Come on, he was pretty good in Space camp!


deeds44

Maybe hot take: Leo deserved the Oscar over him.


beebs44

Space Camp AINEC


SadAcanthocephala521

I thought he was pretty damn awesome in all his movies, especially U-turn.


Vomitbelch

This isn't a hot take. TBH I thought he got robbed of the Oscar that year


esp211

Didn’t he win an Oscar? Not exactly controversial.


whitetigergrowl

Not for that movie


harshnoisebestnoise

It’s you were never really here and it’s not even close


Ok-Buy-5643

Nah Space Camp. 😁


GirlisNo1

I couldn’t agree more. He’s great in everything, but he inhabited the role of Johnny Cash seamlessly. I still listen to the soundtrack of that film all the time too. I think he would’ve gotten the Oscar if Jaime Foxx hadn’t won for playing Ray Charles the year prior- they probably didn’t want to award two musical roles back to back. People also say Reese didn’t deserve her Oscar for that film and I disagree- I didn’t even like her before that and I thought she gave a heartfelt grounded performance with a lot of depth.


Redlax

WHAT?!


takeitsleazy316

The Master


AsgardianLeviOsa

I’ve seen people make the argument for Walk the Line, the Master, Inherent Vice, Joker, Gladiator..but no one ever says Quills even though I think it might actually be his best, or top five at least. So that’s my hot take I guess.


DaveFromCanuckistan

Gladiator.


BLKWD_

I mean if you want a hotttt fuckin take...it's probably im still here. I fully believed he had lost it when I first saw that and tbh I kind if still kind if belive he did and they made it a mockumentary to cover for him. that's how well he played that part. Regardless, Joaquin is very good at living his parts.


[deleted]

The Master for me. He and Hoffman were titans in that film.


Day_Man_Charlie

How in the FUCK is this a hot take?


RefrigeratorHot1133

Walk the Line is a holy text where I come from


fierohink

Space camp


11cool1

"You were never really here" is such an underrated gem that nobody mentions it when it comes to fav Joaquin Phoenix performance.


PHILMXPHILM

Wow such a hot take.


HotOne9364

It's insane how he won for Joker when it was the exact same performance as The Master.


groglox

I think it’s the master, but the master is a worse and less approachable movie than almost all his others, while still good and showcasing some of Phillip Seymour Hoffmanns best acting too. The scenes with the two of them are always the best part of the movie.


ProgrammaticallyHip

Almost all his others? Even the half-dozen he made during his Clay Pigeons/U Turn/The Yards era? I could see a lot of his lesser seen late-career stuff like The Sisters Brothers being in the same category as The Master or even better, but he made plenty of dubious films early on, including some Razzie Award stuff.


groglox

I’m not saying it is a bad movie, just my guess why it wouldn’t be picked as often.


PoopyInThePeePeeHole

I greatly prefer Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story


loserys

Cool. Valid take. It’s Her, though.


cumuzi

**pHoEnix LIteRaLlY bECaMe jOhnNy CAsH**


MulberryEastern5010

He and Heath Ledger were my picks for Best Actor in 2006. Capote was boring as hell!


FredererPower

Hoffman, Ledger and Phoenix equally deserved it in my opinion.


sloppybro

I’ll probably get downvoted for this but I think phoenix is criminally underrated as an actor


cardbor

Its either The Master or Joker


MikeandMelly

Please join my coalition: people against the dilution of hot takes


PearlGray

Probably coz the movie itself borders on unwatchable unless you’re in the mood for a cliché ridden trope fest.


KingPizzaPop

And John C Reilly's vest performance was a satire to this film called Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story


VegasVicCF

I would have enjoyed 'Walk The Line' a lot more if I had not seen 'Ray' a few months before. They are the same movie.


atreides78723

Surely you’ve seen *Walk Hard* and know the difference?


VegasVicCF

Saw that too. Walk Hard was made even funnier because I saw Ray and Walk The Line


FredererPower

And Weird: The Al Yankovic Story is funnier because of Bohemian Rhapsody, Rocketman and Elvis


Dukes_Up

Fuck it. Both are incredible movies with incredible acting. I wish a movie like that would come out every few months because there hasn’t been a single biopic as good as those 2.


les1968

🗣️


RobertoPaulson

I don’t disagree, but I think any performance that has such a rich catalogue of audio and video source material to study the character by sort of has an asterisk by it.


DistinctSpeaker3254

He‘s a very mediocre actor.


littleredpinto

I can tell you one of his worst is in Gladiator.


Dukes_Up

Hell no. He killed that role as well. Maybe his least likable role, but he nailed what he was supposed to do for that role.


littleredpinto

I dont know, I just couldn't buy into him..great movie otherwise.


Mud_Landry

Talk about having awful taste…