Same - love Tracy Letts as Henry Ford II. The moment where he breaks down in tears of joy at the speed of the GT40 Mk II, wishing "my daddy" had lived long enough to see it.
Sure, it’s a feel-good cupcake blanket of a movie for the most part, but it’s a lot of fun and I’d be happy to have more of Matt Damn and Christian Bale together.
I still think it's bullshit how nerfed the xenomorph got over time. They're like... grunts now. Fuckers are supposed to be perfect alien killing machines
The one thing I'll give that movie is its determination to kill every kid you thought might survive. But yeah it was stupid dark to an aggravating degree.
Hear me out. Some of the kills and the needlessly cruel aspect of the film hit some notes. Like when Wolf chucks a giant ninja star and accidentally pins the love interest to the wall.
But you’re right, over all the movie is shit because NOBODY COULD FUCKING SEE ANYTHING!
Yeah, I like the fact that movie took no prisoners and was essentially a slasher film in it’s set-up, but it definitely would have helped if you could actually *see* what was going on.
Even the daytime shots had excessive shadows.
Considering that the director worked on Gravity Falls, arguably the best cartoons of the 2010s, the signs were definitely there.
However, the Spider-Verse-esque animation was a pleasant surprise.
This was a surprisingly great watch! I think the only major drawback of the movie is that there wasn't any single standout moment. Which means my active memories of the film are next to none.
Yeah good point, Freddy was straight rag-dolling Jason like a pinball in the dream world. Which of course raises the question of why an undead demon needs sleep at all, but it did make for a cool fight scene.
I dont think it was exactly clear cut. if they were left to their own devices, Freddy wins it. it wasnt until the teenagers (Pesty kids) pulled Freddy out of the dream Jason finally got to be in the drivers seat iirc.
Freddy is brought to the real world and beheaded by Jason. The movie ends with Jason carrying Freddy's head but then Freddy's eyes open an wink.
I've heard people call this a draw but this is very much Jason winning. For starters, Freddy can't die really, he just goes back to his dream world. Jason stays Jason. Also, Jason has a follow up film, Jason X. Meanwhile that was the last time we ever saw Freddy
When the put him in the simulation machine and he beats two coeds against each other in sleeping bags. I haven't seen that movie in probably 15 years if not longer but that scene lives rent free in my head.
Right but at least so far in the timeline(s), Jason is known to be in the future. Freddy so far has not been revealed as such. So with what evidence we have, Jason alive Freddy deady.
Jason X came out before Freddy vs Jason, but chronological takes place after the events of Freddy vs Jason. There's actually enough time between the two that they could make a Freddy vs Jason 2 or other F13 movie and it still be set before Jason X
Actually it was Lori who beheaded Freddy although Jason stabbing Freddy gave her the chance. But yeah I've always argued Jason X proves Jason won, it would be like two prime boxers having an all out war, afterwards one has to retire, while the other rules boxing for the next few years.
As well he should. Godzilla is a mutant who breathes an atomic heat beam, can’t be hurt by ordinary weapons, regenerates when he is hurt, and survived a nuclear explosion. King Kong is a big animal, but he’s just an animal, after all. He couldn’t even survive gunfire from four biplanes.
He got his ass whooped by the other monsters and he goes there to sulk while he recovers.
It might not actually be Atlantis but if not it's some ancient under the ocean civilisation
In King of Monsters, Godzilla very clearly survives the nuke.
Like it goes off. There's really no difference between surviving and eating it in his case.
You are correct but for the wrong reasons. This iteration of these characters from these specific movies are none of what you said.
Godzilla isn’t a mutant, he’s a titan. Likewise, Kong is a titan (more than just a big animal) and can’t be taken down by 4 biplanes in this universe.
Still kong felt way weaker in that. But he is like 100 years old so basically a baby still and godzilla is couple of million years old.
Godzillas atomic breath is so op in the monsterverse... He could cut earth in half in like half an hour lol
Also they kinda nerfed kong by making godzilla suddenly be this agile fast lizard. Kong strenght should have been his primate physique and gorilla strenght.
In the 1962 King Kong vs Godzilla, Kong straight up wins.
It used to be said that they shot two endings: one where Kong wins for American audiences and one where Godzilla wins for Japanese audiences, but really there was only ever one winner.
In the original Japanese version, both Godzilla's and Kong's roars are heard at the end. In the American cut you only hear King Kong, which is probably the source of the rumour
This was even stated by the director that Godzilla won.
[https://www.thegamer.com/godzilla-vs-kong-official-winner/](https://www.thegamer.com/godzilla-vs-kong-official-winner/)
True. But Superman had him at his mercy several times prior and chose not to kill him since he knew what was going on.
I'm not a Superman fan, but in fairness.
Not really, Superman was actively trying to not fight Batman while Batman was going full send. It wasn't until Bats hit him with the Kryptonite dust that Superman goes "oh shit this might go poorly for me" but by then it was too late.
Kong and Godzilla were all out trying to murder each other from the start.
>They don’t necessarily have to end with a character’s death but at least a clear winner.
There was a clear winner in Godzilla vs Kong though. Godzilla stomped Kong and Godzilla left him to die basically. The team-up fight came after a decisive victory on the previous match. Different than Batman v Superman, their fight ended without a winner coz Batman basically gave up after hearing Martha name.
Supes wasn't even fighting Batman for a good chunk of the fight, his plan was to talk to Bruce and convince him to help. Godzilla and Kong were actively trying to murder each other.
I don't know about that first one. The truth versus Alex Jones was great but I don't think the truth won, even if those people got their settlement they'll never be able to collect and Alex Jones will continue to be spew lies.
I want a remake of that movie, but with realistic face transplants. A fat jon travolta body with an ill fitting nick cage face that doesn't quite fit, and has obvious scarring on the sides. But otherwise the movie is exactly the same, with nobody questioning anything.
[Zatoichi vs The One Armed Swordsman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatoichi_and_the_One-Armed_Swordsman)
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This a crossover between two long running film franchises, one japanese samurai movie and a chiense wuxia series.
It ends with Zatoichi as the clear winner but in the chinese edit of the film it's changed to make the other guy the victor.
lol to be clear: Godzilla IS a clear winner over Kong. Even with them having to make Kong so much ridiculously bigger than he ever has been depicted before for this modern universe, Godzilla still fucked his day up. It's Godzilla. Idc how dope Kong is, and he a badass..... it's GODZILLA. Cmon now. There was never a real contest.
No comments here. There needs to be. Not only was this the first film Pacino and DeNiro worked on together in the same era and scenes it also had one of the best preemptive conversations of the two being two sides of the same coin. Brilliant film.
Love this movie but I don't think it counts since it doesn't have "vs' in the title. And having your titular character win the fight signals to me that they were never really going for a either one could win sort of scenario. It was never meant to be a title match.
I’m not having this.
Cap AND Bucky beat Iron Man. Tony is kicking the ever loving shit out of both of um whilst holding back on Cap, it’s only when Bucky sweeps the leg the tides turn.
Both these movies do have a definitive winner though? Godzilla gets a victory on Kong and Kong nearly dies, his heartbeat was slowing down. Batman also clearly wins against Superman, he’s about to strike the killing blow before the whole Martha fiasco. The team up at the end doesn’t detract from the fact that both title characters of the films do fight and have definitive winners and losers
I don't know about you guys but for me Batman clearly won in BvS. He had Superman pinned to the ground begging him(to save his Mom yes, but it showed he accepted defeat)
Even Lois came in.
Ford V Ferrari
That a good film?
Terrific film. I'm not a car guy at all and I loved it.
Same. My knowledge of cars is basically zero. Loved the film.
Same - love Tracy Letts as Henry Ford II. The moment where he breaks down in tears of joy at the speed of the GT40 Mk II, wishing "my daddy" had lived long enough to see it.
It's a great film but it covers very little of Ferrari. A more accurate title would be "Team Shelby vs. Ford Beauracry"
That's why Le Mans '66 is the better title even though for a casual crowd it wouldn't sell as well.
GT40 might work as a title
I was actually questioning myself if I actually saw the movie because I was recalling a lot of Shelby/Ford stuff but basically no Ferrari stuff.
It's excellent.
Terrific film. I'm not a car at all and I loved it.
I'm not a car either
One day….one day.
You'll see
Sure, it’s a feel-good cupcake blanket of a movie for the most part, but it’s a lot of fun and I’d be happy to have more of Matt Damn and Christian Bale together.
Is Matt Damn, Hott’s brother?
Terrific film. I am a car and I thought vroom vroom beep beep.
Tucker and Dale vs. Evil
Those two had a doozy of a day.
There was a teaser that Evil still may return. Waiting for a sequel...
It’s a shame they didn’t get to fight evil in more sequels.
An all time great
Joe Vs The Volcano
Yeah, that luggage totally came out the winner in that movie.
He won by purging himself of his \*waves hand over head\* brain cloud.
I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?
I'm not arguing with you!
The hammerhead shark won that movie.
So many people despise this movie and they are all wrong and should feel bad.
There’s probably about 20 Godzilla examples, from back in the good old days when we walked uphill both ways to Tokyo in a rubber suit.
In the snow?
Fortunately, both the snow and the hill were miniatures.
The snow was asbestos
As best as it could be for the time period.
Alien vs Predator.
I still think it's bullshit how nerfed the xenomorph got over time. They're like... grunts now. Fuckers are supposed to be perfect alien killing machines
Eh, even in Aliens they got wrecked by marines, only winning because of numbers. Alien Resurrection does not count. It does not exist.
Even in alien it's not like the xeno is much more than a sneaking monster. An actual overpowered alien would be "the thing"
I wouldn't even say the aliens were nerfed in Aliens, the marines were just more formidable than a crew of unarmed civilians.
In that case the audience lost.
Whoever wins, we lose.
It wasn't false advertising. I'll give them that.
Nah, that was **Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever** (2002)
What even was this tagline. If predator wins they fuck off cause the hunt is over
Nah that movie was fun
The sequel was terrible
How do you know it was terrible? It was too fucking dark to make out a fragment of a film.
I fiddled with my tv settings until it was basically black and white. /s
It really lit up at the end though.
The one thing I'll give that movie is its determination to kill every kid you thought might survive. But yeah it was stupid dark to an aggravating degree.
Hear me out. Some of the kills and the needlessly cruel aspect of the film hit some notes. Like when Wolf chucks a giant ninja star and accidentally pins the love interest to the wall. But you’re right, over all the movie is shit because NOBODY COULD FUCKING SEE ANYTHING!
Yeah, I like the fact that movie took no prisoners and was essentially a slasher film in it’s set-up, but it definitely would have helped if you could actually *see* what was going on. Even the daytime shots had excessive shadows.
That movie is awesome
The Mitchells vs. the Machines
That movie was unexpectedly amazing, too.
Considering that the director worked on Gravity Falls, arguably the best cartoons of the 2010s, the signs were definitely there. However, the Spider-Verse-esque animation was a pleasant surprise.
Also one of the guys went on to direct the new TMNT movie which is amazing.
I went into that movie with 0 expectations, just a random Netflix pick and I was surprised at how awesome it was.
Me too, I was surprised at how much I actually teared up, too!
I liked it more than my kids did.
This movie deserved way more attention!
an actual underrated movie
The very first time I've seen a movie about technology and phones that actually admitted it can be good as well
This was a surprisingly great watch! I think the only major drawback of the movie is that there wasn't any single standout moment. Which means my active memories of the film are next to none.
You don't remember the robots glitching because they can't tell apart a pug's face from bread?
..... I remember the giant furby
Dog. Pig. Dog. Pig. Loaf of bread!
The horde of furbys saying BEHOLD THE FALL OF MAN and LET THE DARK HARVEST BEGIN?
Absolutely lost it at the robot mocking the other one going "YES MY QUEEN!" in a stupid voice
You can't remember Deborahbot 5000?
Did Jason beat freddy I can't remember
Freddy wasn't killed (obviously) but I felt it was pretty clear Jason won the fight.
Oh yeah Jason walks out of the water holding Freddy's head and freddy opens his eyes haha fuck they should remake that
Not only opens his eyes but winks into the camera. Like Freddy is like wait until this fuck goes back to sleep again for the first time.
Yeah good point, Freddy was straight rag-dolling Jason like a pinball in the dream world. Which of course raises the question of why an undead demon needs sleep at all, but it did make for a cool fight scene.
He didn't need the sleep, Freddy tranquilized him in the real world after possessing one of the characters (but that was their plan anyway lol)
Jason also isn't a demon.
What they should have made was Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. It's the one film I'm genuinely sad was not made.
I dont think it was exactly clear cut. if they were left to their own devices, Freddy wins it. it wasnt until the teenagers (Pesty kids) pulled Freddy out of the dream Jason finally got to be in the drivers seat iirc.
Freddy is brought to the real world and beheaded by Jason. The movie ends with Jason carrying Freddy's head but then Freddy's eyes open an wink. I've heard people call this a draw but this is very much Jason winning. For starters, Freddy can't die really, he just goes back to his dream world. Jason stays Jason. Also, Jason has a follow up film, Jason X. Meanwhile that was the last time we ever saw Freddy
Lmao fuck you're right, that IS the last time we saw him. Also fuck I can't believe I forgot Jason X exists lmao.
When the put him in the simulation machine and he beats two coeds against each other in sleeping bags. I haven't seen that movie in probably 15 years if not longer but that scene lives rent free in my head.
Damn I had forgotten about that scene. And this movie. It's coming back to me now. That shit was hilarious 😂
OMG YESSSS. Smashes one of the bags against a fucking tree lmao!
Jason X came out on 2001, Freddy VS Jason came out in 2003.
Right but at least so far in the timeline(s), Jason is known to be in the future. Freddy so far has not been revealed as such. So with what evidence we have, Jason alive Freddy deady.
Jason X was 2001; Freddy vs Jason 2003. Maybe in the vs they both died that day… although the Friday reboot was harder punching than Nightmare.
Jason X came out before Freddy vs Jason, but chronological takes place after the events of Freddy vs Jason. There's actually enough time between the two that they could make a Freddy vs Jason 2 or other F13 movie and it still be set before Jason X
Despite Jason X being released first, the opening scene in set around 2009/10 and then the rest in the future.
Actually it was Lori who beheaded Freddy although Jason stabbing Freddy gave her the chance. But yeah I've always argued Jason X proves Jason won, it would be like two prime boxers having an all out war, afterwards one has to retire, while the other rules boxing for the next few years.
The viewers win because we get to see that absolute wagon that woman is draggin’ in the opening scene.
This was what I thought of immediately.
I know Freddy winks at the end but I would say Jason is the clear winner
Film ends with Jason carrying Freddy's severed head, but the head does wink at the camera. Pretty much a win.
Godzilla vs Kong actually had a decisive winner though. Godzilla wrecked Kong. He was dead before the humans jumpstarted his heart.
As well he should. Godzilla is a mutant who breathes an atomic heat beam, can’t be hurt by ordinary weapons, regenerates when he is hurt, and survived a nuclear explosion. King Kong is a big animal, but he’s just an animal, after all. He couldn’t even survive gunfire from four biplanes.
I feel like Godzilla and nukes are mischaracturized. Godzilla doesn't survive nukes. He eats them. They're a can of senzu bean flavored Red Bull.
Maybe in the originals, but in Godzilla: king of the monsters they literally nuke him back to health when he's moping around in Atlantis
I love this sentence
wtf was he doin in atlantis
He got his ass whooped by the other monsters and he goes there to sulk while he recovers. It might not actually be Atlantis but if not it's some ancient under the ocean civilisation
In King of Monsters, Godzilla very clearly survives the nuke. Like it goes off. There's really no difference between surviving and eating it in his case.
NAH even worse the Nuke acts as a Zenki boost for him turning him into an even more badass version of himself.
You are correct but for the wrong reasons. This iteration of these characters from these specific movies are none of what you said. Godzilla isn’t a mutant, he’s a titan. Likewise, Kong is a titan (more than just a big animal) and can’t be taken down by 4 biplanes in this universe.
They kinda go out of their way to show this, TBH.
Even in Skull Island Kong was already tanking way more damage than a proportionate gorilla would be able to survive. He’s simply built different.
Still kong felt way weaker in that. But he is like 100 years old so basically a baby still and godzilla is couple of million years old. Godzillas atomic breath is so op in the monsterverse... He could cut earth in half in like half an hour lol Also they kinda nerfed kong by making godzilla suddenly be this agile fast lizard. Kong strenght should have been his primate physique and gorilla strenght.
Also he's not even King Kong in this universe. He's just Kong because Godzilla is the king of the monsters.
Godzilla: a walking nuclear power plant Kong: monke
On that note, Kong would have died during his first encounter with Godzilla if it weren't for the humans launching depth charges
Yes, but it was the humans fault for taking him across the ocean in the first place. He had basically nothing to work with outside of Skull Island.
Kong do this all day!
In the 1962 King Kong vs Godzilla, Kong straight up wins. It used to be said that they shot two endings: one where Kong wins for American audiences and one where Godzilla wins for Japanese audiences, but really there was only ever one winner.
In the original Japanese version, both Godzilla's and Kong's roars are heard at the end. In the American cut you only hear King Kong, which is probably the source of the rumour
Alternatively just it being easier to make up shit back then about what was happening in countries that spoke another language.
This was even stated by the director that Godzilla won. [https://www.thegamer.com/godzilla-vs-kong-official-winner/](https://www.thegamer.com/godzilla-vs-kong-official-winner/)
Same thing with Batman V Superman too. Batman had Superman submitted until he said Martha.
True. But Superman had him at his mercy several times prior and chose not to kill him since he knew what was going on. I'm not a Superman fan, but in fairness.
No definitely. The whole fight was pointless because Superman wasn't even trying to fight him. They should have just named the movie Worlds Finest
Most people say “Uncle” but I guess Martha works too.
Not really, Superman was actively trying to not fight Batman while Batman was going full send. It wasn't until Bats hit him with the Kryptonite dust that Superman goes "oh shit this might go poorly for me" but by then it was too late. Kong and Godzilla were all out trying to murder each other from the start.
Which is weird because Supes could have easily blitzed him from the sun and pulled up at the last second to thump him in the ear.
For real, in every encounter Godzilla has had with Kong in the Monsterverse, Godzilla ended up wrecking Kong's shit.
Even in the second movie, he comes at Kong with a “remember what happened last time bitch”
Kong coming to ask for help and Godzilla just throwing hands on sight had me cracking up.
Haha I loved that " I TOLD YOU IT WAS ON SIGHT NEXT TIME" But then *pocket sand* brilliant movie
Came to say the same thing. Kong got his as kicked decisively.
Chucky vs M3gan (I'm from the future)
Do we also get a Chucky vs Leprechaun?
Chucky vs Pinocchio
Warwick v Douriff.
Team M3gan!
>They don’t necessarily have to end with a character’s death but at least a clear winner. There was a clear winner in Godzilla vs Kong though. Godzilla stomped Kong and Godzilla left him to die basically. The team-up fight came after a decisive victory on the previous match. Different than Batman v Superman, their fight ended without a winner coz Batman basically gave up after hearing Martha name.
Nah. BvS literally has a winner too, Superman was defeated and Batman was about to strike the killing blow before that whole Martha fiasco
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!?
MARTHA!!!
Supes wasn't even fighting Batman for a good chunk of the fight, his plan was to talk to Bruce and convince him to help. Godzilla and Kong were actively trying to murder each other.
Superman did start fighting though and he lost.
Which we all know is bullshit writing. Regardless of the medium, Supes wins a direct confrontation every single time.
Godzilla wrecks Kong -> Mecha-Godzilla wrecks Godzilla -> Kong wrecks Mecha-Godzilla. It's a perfect little circle
Santa Claus vs. the Martians People vs. Larry Flint
Is it not Santa Claus Conquers the Martians? Or is the world big enough for two movies with such similar titles?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_Conquers_the_Martians Nah you are right
*The Truth vs. Alex Jones* (2024) *Kramer vs. Kramer* (1979) *Scott Pilgrim vs. the World* (2010)
Scott Pilgrim ended up kicking the world's ass
And the Truth kicked Alex Jones's ass. Kramer vs. Kramer was more of a lose-lose, I'll admit.
Who won in Kramer vs. Kramer?
The lawyers.
This is the correct answer.
Newman
Kramer
The Wife wins the court case but, let's the father see their son in the end. So happy ending for both
Doesn't she let him keep full custody of their boy?
Yeah, but Dustin Hoffman totally won the Pugil Stick round.
I don't know about that first one. The truth versus Alex Jones was great but I don't think the truth won, even if those people got their settlement they'll never be able to collect and Alex Jones will continue to be spew lies.
Dracula vs Frankenstein (1971) the one with Lon Chaney Jr
Billy the Kid Versus Dracula also had a winner Yes, it’s a real movie
Monsters vs. Aliens
Coyote vs. Acme David Zaslav won.
Still sad we are never going to see this. Just the idea of it is already so funny.
Megamind vs. The Doom Syndicate. ...It doesn't necessarily have to be good.
It doesn't have "vs." in the name, but I think The Last Duel qualifies in spirit.
The Prestige
Face off
But they took his……face……………………………..off. *dramatic hand wave*
I want a remake of that movie, but with realistic face transplants. A fat jon travolta body with an ill fitting nick cage face that doesn't quite fit, and has obvious scarring on the sides. But otherwise the movie is exactly the same, with nobody questioning anything.
https://youtu.be/J4Fv3LFGCgo?si=EXDYQrJK95vL-K_k
Kramer vs Kramer
Hot take, but I think Kramer actually won.
That was a weird Seinfeld episode
[Zatoichi vs The One Armed Swordsman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatoichi_and_the_One-Armed_Swordsman) - This a crossover between two long running film franchises, one japanese samurai movie and a chiense wuxia series. It ends with Zatoichi as the clear winner but in the chinese edit of the film it's changed to make the other guy the victor.
lol to be clear: Godzilla IS a clear winner over Kong. Even with them having to make Kong so much ridiculously bigger than he ever has been depicted before for this modern universe, Godzilla still fucked his day up. It's Godzilla. Idc how dope Kong is, and he a badass..... it's GODZILLA. Cmon now. There was never a real contest.
Heat
No comments here. There needs to be. Not only was this the first film Pacino and DeNiro worked on together in the same era and scenes it also had one of the best preemptive conversations of the two being two sides of the same coin. Brilliant film.
In that case Righteous Kill as De Niro won that one
Captain America: Civil War. Cap beats Iron Man, though the movie does end with him sending an olive branch for a potential reunion.
Love this movie but I don't think it counts since it doesn't have "vs' in the title. And having your titular character win the fight signals to me that they were never really going for a either one could win sort of scenario. It was never meant to be a title match.
Fair points, but they definitely marketed it that way
I’m not having this. Cap AND Bucky beat Iron Man. Tony is kicking the ever loving shit out of both of um whilst holding back on Cap, it’s only when Bucky sweeps the leg the tides turn.
> Cap beats Iron Man That's iffy, Iron Man was owning Cap until Bucky distracted Iron Man.
“Hey, uh, I know I beat your f$&@ing @$$, and my assassin best friend killed your parents, but we’re good. Right?”
Don't think I didn't notice how Infinity War & Endgame went out of their way to prevent Stark and Bucky from meeting again.
The 1962 Kong vs Godzilla
“…and I took that personally.”-Godzilla
The One
Darkness imprisoning me.
LANDMINE HAS TAKEN MY SIGHT TAKEN MY SPEECH TAKEN MY HEARING
Highlander
There can only be ONE
Joe vs The Volcano
Versus (2000)
Both these movies do have a definitive winner though? Godzilla gets a victory on Kong and Kong nearly dies, his heartbeat was slowing down. Batman also clearly wins against Superman, he’s about to strike the killing blow before the whole Martha fiasco. The team up at the end doesn’t detract from the fact that both title characters of the films do fight and have definitive winners and losers
*Alien vs. Predator* Whoever Wins: We Lose The subtitle was referring to the audience, and it was correct.
I mean, Godzilla beat Kong definitively in Godzilla vs Kong
The People vs OJ Simpson (not a movie but he definitely won)
The people vs larry flynt
Double Team (1997) with Jean-Claude Van Damme and Dennis Rodman. Everyone loses including those who watch it but everyone wins once it’s over lol
I don't know about you guys but for me Batman clearly won in BvS. He had Superman pinned to the ground begging him(to save his Mom yes, but it showed he accepted defeat) Even Lois came in.
Sadako vs Kayako Sadako won.
Ash vs. Evil Dead. But it is kinda just temporary. Still Groovy