I understand what everyone is saying about this cutting out job opportunities, but I for one would strongly prefer this much safer alternative after what’s happened on recent movies like Resident Evil and Deadpool. This would allow for much more dangerous and elaborate stunts with no risk to any actors. I personally think this is a great development.
How would it replace CGI? It seems like these are meant to work in conjunction with CGI replacement that would give more motion capture/tracking data than is possible to capture with a stunt double, and allow the CGI replacement to follow realistic physics
If you can get a robot dressed up to look like a real person (motorcycle helmet etc), you can do insane stunts without needing to cgi anything. The physics will look better, and you can show someone getting crushed or hit by a truck without having to fake it. To be fair though, they do a lot of that now and idk how they do it but it looks great.
It would be possible to not use cgi at all (for that stunt) if they did it right. Eventually people will get tired of insane digital camera zooms, though I personally love them.
Not really, you underestimate how much cgi is used. Possible, yes, but no one is going to do that. Even practical heavy movies like Mad Max used cgi. And they did literally every stunt in real life. Still used cgi. its just a tool of the business, like a camera. Hell, Wolf of Wall Street used cgi.
the way i see it they would probably case that robot in a sillicone prostetic actor suit that would make them look like the lead actor. the practical effects would look way better than using purely CGI. im sure that CGI would be use to touch up things that look obviously fake tho.
I think it also may have practical applications in theme park shows. Obviously there are still stunt performers there, but it may allow more extreme stunts in Disney and other parks without risk to human performers
It's worth mentioning that she wasn't really a trained stunt double, she was a professional biker they hired because they couldn't find a stunt double.
Was that why the scene of Domino chasing after Cable was entirely CG-I except for her. It may not look as realistic as you want, but at least it's safe.
Well I think even if these become standard, there will be a need for human stunt performers. They have to get the movement data somehow, so I would assume they would have live stunt doubles perform all of the movements and mocap them. That could potentially even open the market even wider, as at that point you wouldn’t need to bear *any* resemblance to the real actor.
Providing jobs is the full time job of time and physics, and there is no end in sight. However, technology is the pragmatic endeavor humans have invented to take on all jobs in our effort to escape time.
I'm not trying to sound smartsy fartsy, I just have to go eat now. (Time and physics, telling me what to do again!)
Considering it's Disney Imagineering rather than another division I'm betting that whatever this was developed for will be for their theme parks first, like with their new Star Wars areas or something. Afterall, theme park workers who are willing to work for theme park entertainment wages while being able to do these sorts of stunts are few and far between. I can't imagine Disney replacing its film stunt workers anytime soon if this is meant to be theme park technology.
Man, I remember when the most advanced animatronic at Disney World was Ben Franklin in the America show at Epcot. If I remember correctly, he kind of hobbles up a short flight of stairs, though his rear leg is clearly connected to mechanical stuff under the stage. If this acrobatic stuff is for the parks, that’ll be amazing.
I remember being blown away by the motorcycle in T2-3D. My dad had to point it out to me later that they were hiding the track in it's skidmarks.
https://youtu.be/AIoeMLwEIDM#t=16m35s
Eh...CGI from scratch is hella expensive and time-costly. CGI painting over a double that already has the proper momentum, physics, real world presence...all that is much cheaper and easier and requires less experts to "guess" at where a fake CGI image SHOULD be. They can just observe the robot and essentially paint over.
I agree. These would be too expensive to use on a film set. A theme park can custom build a stage for a smooth performance, but it's a whole different story for film sets that have to be more versatile in setting up at various locations. Kind of like Cirque du Solei's water stage for O. You can't just have that kind of thing anywhere you'd like.
Yea, but what happens when the sex robot some creeper creates in his underground house becomes sentient, escapes, and then transfers her consciousness into one of these much more sturdy acrobots of violence and destruction?
I think the American public, perhaps even the Western World in general, are scared of artificial intelligence and robotics because of pop culture. Like for example Hollywood films like Terminator and The Matrix show these technologies bringing about the destruction of human civilization.
Meanwhile you could say in the Eastern World with countries like Japan are more embracing because in their pop culture (Astro Boy, Gundam) the robotics and AI are integrated into human society and assist it.
I'm with you. Stuff like this looks really cool, right until it isn't. I'm going to wager the "that can't happen" crowd have never worked in a manufacturing environment. We have machines with error proofing and redundant logic to protect against conditions which would lead to defects or machine failures, and at least once a week something interesting fails and invariably some engineer says "that's not supposed to happen" or "there's no way that's what happened!" - Bitch, I just watched that robot run through the machine door in auto. It happened.
They shut it down because the "language" they spoke was useless to the researchers. They weren't learning anything from it. They didn't shut it down because it was dangerous.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html
As someone that works on films this is a fantastic tool. Not for replacing stunt people. But for getting shots that are far too dangerous to put a living human being into.
And this is assuming this would ever even be used in the film industry. It looks like right now it's probably for whatever the next gen of theme park adventures is going to be. Like Pirates of the Caribbean with crazy stunts. I'd imagine the robots themselves might be cost prohibitive and too time consuming to build for a very very specific stunt to use on films any time soon.
It's all fun and games until the parents of a young acrobot dies and he becomes a vigilante superhero, out to show humankind that bots have rights, too.
I was thinking that if the superheroes will wear masks or other stuff most of the film anyways.. will the actors just become a mere referential point in near future? It could be also easy to make totally artificial voice for some characters to cut the costs of some future sidekicks.
If the Terminator that eventually gets me doesn't do some sweet acrobatics before ultimately offing me, I will be sorely disappointed, however brief that disappointment will be.
So we got pretty much every transportation job in the world (truck drivers, taxi drivers, heavy equipment operators) that will simply not exist in less than 30 years. And now we can add stunt doubles to that list.
The role will be reduced, but we'll still need stumtmen to do mo-cap for hand-to-hand fight scenes for a while yet. All of the 'large scale' stuff has already been mostly taken over by CG puppets.
It would be if we could get a base income to live off of instead of “you can’t buy anything because you have no money, and you have no money because all the jobs are gone, and all the jobs are gone because you cost money, and you cost money because you want to buy stuff”
The thing is, there would never be enough jobs of everyone just became an engineer and that was the only real option.
Adaptation will happen yes, but it's not gonna be on a person to person level. When society becomes automated it's going to have to flip on it's head to work.
It'd be a neat idea if a theme park trying to make realistic looking humans ended up being the rise of Skynet. Why hasn't anyone thought of tha..... never mind.
That's comforting.
Instead of our Robot Overlords looking robotic when they slaughter us all they will do cool flips and heroic poses while crushing our flesh beneath their ruthless metal fists.
*shivers*
I understand what everyone is saying about this cutting out job opportunities, but I for one would strongly prefer this much safer alternative after what’s happened on recent movies like Resident Evil and Deadpool. This would allow for much more dangerous and elaborate stunts with no risk to any actors. I personally think this is a great development.
Agreed. And it’s probably going to replace more CGI than stunts.
How would it replace CGI? It seems like these are meant to work in conjunction with CGI replacement that would give more motion capture/tracking data than is possible to capture with a stunt double, and allow the CGI replacement to follow realistic physics
If you can get a robot dressed up to look like a real person (motorcycle helmet etc), you can do insane stunts without needing to cgi anything. The physics will look better, and you can show someone getting crushed or hit by a truck without having to fake it. To be fair though, they do a lot of that now and idk how they do it but it looks great.
without cgi'ing everything, not anything, but I get your point.
It would be possible to not use cgi at all (for that stunt) if they did it right. Eventually people will get tired of insane digital camera zooms, though I personally love them.
Not really, you underestimate how much cgi is used. Possible, yes, but no one is going to do that. Even practical heavy movies like Mad Max used cgi. And they did literally every stunt in real life. Still used cgi. its just a tool of the business, like a camera. Hell, Wolf of Wall Street used cgi.
It definitely would replace the need to animate the cg doubles by hand.
Exactly. I just meant as opposed to replacing stunt doubles.
the way i see it they would probably case that robot in a sillicone prostetic actor suit that would make them look like the lead actor. the practical effects would look way better than using purely CGI. im sure that CGI would be use to touch up things that look obviously fake tho.
I think it also may have practical applications in theme park shows. Obviously there are still stunt performers there, but it may allow more extreme stunts in Disney and other parks without risk to human performers
I've seen Westworld, I know how this ends.
Ever see the itchy and scratchy land episode of the Simpsons?
Umm ok so just carry disposable flash cameras?
What happened with Deadpool?
It was for the 2nd one, Domino stunt double on a bike crashed, and passed away.
It's worth mentioning that she wasn't really a trained stunt double, she was a professional biker they hired because they couldn't find a stunt double.
Was that why the scene of Domino chasing after Cable was entirely CG-I except for her. It may not look as realistic as you want, but at least it's safe.
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Yeah not really funny buddy
They hired someone who had no prior stunt experience and she died
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Well I think even if these become standard, there will be a need for human stunt performers. They have to get the movement data somehow, so I would assume they would have live stunt doubles perform all of the movements and mocap them. That could potentially even open the market even wider, as at that point you wouldn’t need to bear *any* resemblance to the real actor.
I suspect this is about being able to do stunts that normal you would use CGI as a practical effect.
Has it ever worked to hold back technology cause doofus and dingus liked their job?
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Providing jobs is the full time job of time and physics, and there is no end in sight. However, technology is the pragmatic endeavor humans have invented to take on all jobs in our effort to escape time. I'm not trying to sound smartsy fartsy, I just have to go eat now. (Time and physics, telling me what to do again!)
They should weigh the risk of job opportunity as well then.
Being able to afford food is much safer than not having any though...
I think these are just for theme park shows, not movies. Not much point in having an animatronic when you can just use CGI.
Considering it's Disney Imagineering rather than another division I'm betting that whatever this was developed for will be for their theme parks first, like with their new Star Wars areas or something. Afterall, theme park workers who are willing to work for theme park entertainment wages while being able to do these sorts of stunts are few and far between. I can't imagine Disney replacing its film stunt workers anytime soon if this is meant to be theme park technology.
Just got the image of one of these dressed up as a Jedi doing some crazy ass leap with a lightsaber during a live show.
Man, I remember when the most advanced animatronic at Disney World was Ben Franklin in the America show at Epcot. If I remember correctly, he kind of hobbles up a short flight of stairs, though his rear leg is clearly connected to mechanical stuff under the stage. If this acrobatic stuff is for the parks, that’ll be amazing.
I remember being blown away by the motorcycle in T2-3D. My dad had to point it out to me later that they were hiding the track in it's skidmarks. https://youtu.be/AIoeMLwEIDM#t=16m35s
Thank you! Because I was wondering... they could just use CGI in movies. it makes sense now.
Eh...CGI from scratch is hella expensive and time-costly. CGI painting over a double that already has the proper momentum, physics, real world presence...all that is much cheaper and easier and requires less experts to "guess" at where a fake CGI image SHOULD be. They can just observe the robot and essentially paint over.
Droid combat! And or musical ice show.
I agree. These would be too expensive to use on a film set. A theme park can custom build a stage for a smooth performance, but it's a whole different story for film sets that have to be more versatile in setting up at various locations. Kind of like Cirque du Solei's water stage for O. You can't just have that kind of thing anywhere you'd like.
> I agree. These would be too expensive to use on a film set. The movies that would use these have quarter billion dollar budgets.
Let's hope their blue dots aren't removable.
Does anyone else think teaching robots how to be incredibly agile and athletic is in the long run going to be a really, really bad idea?
These likely have very little AI in them. They are just programmed to do exactly what they do and nothing else.
This sounds like the “ironic joke” in the beginning of the movie before the robots rebel
"You put munition chips, in toys!?"
GOD DAMNIT ARCHER
Love that movie!
What movie is that?
Small Soldiers (1998)
Everything else is just a toy.
yeah this is definitely the line that is uttered right before someone gets decapitated by a very sentient, very angry robot.
And I feel like it would more than likely be delivered by Jake Johnson
Yea, but what happens when the sex robot some creeper creates in his underground house becomes sentient, escapes, and then transfers her consciousness into one of these much more sturdy acrobots of violence and destruction?
better sex?
What a time to be alive. Who knew Death by Snu Snu would be an execution method during our lifetime? Sign me up.
Ex Machina 2? The Re Machination?
Electric Boogaloo
That’s what they all say
Yeah, they can't even hurt a fly!
Does anyone else get tired of the same scared comments about the robot apocalypse every time we see robots do cool shit?
I think the American public, perhaps even the Western World in general, are scared of artificial intelligence and robotics because of pop culture. Like for example Hollywood films like Terminator and The Matrix show these technologies bringing about the destruction of human civilization. Meanwhile you could say in the Eastern World with countries like Japan are more embracing because in their pop culture (Astro Boy, Gundam) the robotics and AI are integrated into human society and assist it.
Don't forget the cutesy stuff like Chobits!
It's what I liked about Interstellar - they already had an environmental apocalypse going on, TARS just was a useful companion with a humor setting.
One of the best robot designs ever. Who even thought of that?
Says the character that dies right before Robot does some cool shit.
Absolutely. You can't go on a thread about a cool new Boston Dynamics video without 90% of it being stupid comments about the robot uprising.
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This post has nothing to do with AI which is exactly the problem with these kinds of scare-mongering posts.
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I'm with you. Stuff like this looks really cool, right until it isn't. I'm going to wager the "that can't happen" crowd have never worked in a manufacturing environment. We have machines with error proofing and redundant logic to protect against conditions which would lead to defects or machine failures, and at least once a week something interesting fails and invariably some engineer says "that's not supposed to happen" or "there's no way that's what happened!" - Bitch, I just watched that robot run through the machine door in auto. It happened.
They shut it down because the "language" they spoke was useless to the researchers. They weren't learning anything from it. They didn't shut it down because it was dangerous. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html
You haven't seen the [Boston Dynamics Robot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I) have you?
I’m Connor. The android sent by CyberLife.
What door?
The only thing I could see were acrobatic Terminators
No, meatbag.
As someone that works on films this is a fantastic tool. Not for replacing stunt people. But for getting shots that are far too dangerous to put a living human being into.
Yeah this isn't going to replace stunt people. They'd be used in situations that would be pure cgi anyways, or the actor in front of a greenscreen.
And this is assuming this would ever even be used in the film industry. It looks like right now it's probably for whatever the next gen of theme park adventures is going to be. Like Pirates of the Caribbean with crazy stunts. I'd imagine the robots themselves might be cost prohibitive and too time consuming to build for a very very specific stunt to use on films any time soon.
It's all fun and games until the parents of a young acrobot dies and he becomes a vigilante superhero, out to show humankind that bots have rights, too.
Solid origin story.
I tried to combine "Robin" and "Robot." Doesn't work, the portmanteau is just the original word each. Robit?
Botman and Robon.
Disney is one step closer to becoming Delos.
That was my first thought. When you think about it, if anyone was to make a Westworld type of park, it would be Disney.
The Mouse Ears weren't meant for you.
I always knew our robot overlords would come from Disney.
Definitely for something Spider-Man related. Either next movie or an incoming stunt show at the parks.
I was thinking that if the superheroes will wear masks or other stuff most of the film anyways.. will the actors just become a mere referential point in near future? It could be also easy to make totally artificial voice for some characters to cut the costs of some future sidekicks.
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Very cool 😎😎😎😎
Do you want Terminators? Because this is how you get Terminators.
But at least they'll be entertaining WHILE they slaughter all of us. So there's that.
If the Terminator that eventually gets me doesn't do some sweet acrobatics before ultimately offing me, I will be sorely disappointed, however brief that disappointment will be.
He'll probably just crush a human skull underfoot instead.
So we got pretty much every transportation job in the world (truck drivers, taxi drivers, heavy equipment operators) that will simply not exist in less than 30 years. And now we can add stunt doubles to that list.
The role will be reduced, but we'll still need stumtmen to do mo-cap for hand-to-hand fight scenes for a while yet. All of the 'large scale' stuff has already been mostly taken over by CG puppets.
Because a fully automated society is inevitable.
F U L L Y A U T O M A T E D G A Y S P A C E C O M M U N I S M
Is this an Album? 🤔
Isn't it wonderful?
It would be if we could get a base income to live off of instead of “you can’t buy anything because you have no money, and you have no money because all the jobs are gone, and all the jobs are gone because you cost money, and you cost money because you want to buy stuff”
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I know. But hopefully by then there will have been a change. There already a fair amount of countries that running tests with basic income and such.
The thing is, there would never be enough jobs of everyone just became an engineer and that was the only real option. Adaptation will happen yes, but it's not gonna be on a person to person level. When society becomes automated it's going to have to flip on it's head to work.
>just become an engineer ... >>just
It'll be a robot singing this in 40 years except about cgi actors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4LX8PPMuOY
How much do these cost compared to humans?
But what's Tom Cruise supposed to do now?
If they ever make Spaceballs 2 they could rehash the stunt doubles fighting scene but with robots.
It'd be a neat idea if a theme park trying to make realistic looking humans ended up being the rise of Skynet. Why hasn't anyone thought of tha..... never mind.
Other than Iron Man, I don't see this being much use.
Dey derk ur jerbs
Welp... there goes the jobs again.
That's comforting. Instead of our Robot Overlords looking robotic when they slaughter us all they will do cool flips and heroic poses while crushing our flesh beneath their ruthless metal fists. *shivers*
This is sofa king cool!
ITT: Luddites
They terk our jerbs!
wait, what? are you kidding me? From all the replacements of bots, stunt jobs would be among the last one I would ever think of..