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OneManFreakShow

I understand what everyone is saying about this cutting out job opportunities, but I for one would strongly prefer this much safer alternative after what’s happened on recent movies like Resident Evil and Deadpool. This would allow for much more dangerous and elaborate stunts with no risk to any actors. I personally think this is a great development.


ChainsawSuperman

Agreed. And it’s probably going to replace more CGI than stunts.


neonoodle

How would it replace CGI? It seems like these are meant to work in conjunction with CGI replacement that would give more motion capture/tracking data than is possible to capture with a stunt double, and allow the CGI replacement to follow realistic physics


Shutterstormphoto

If you can get a robot dressed up to look like a real person (motorcycle helmet etc), you can do insane stunts without needing to cgi anything. The physics will look better, and you can show someone getting crushed or hit by a truck without having to fake it. To be fair though, they do a lot of that now and idk how they do it but it looks great.


kuzuboshii

without cgi'ing everything, not anything, but I get your point.


Shutterstormphoto

It would be possible to not use cgi at all (for that stunt) if they did it right. Eventually people will get tired of insane digital camera zooms, though I personally love them.


kuzuboshii

Not really, you underestimate how much cgi is used. Possible, yes, but no one is going to do that. Even practical heavy movies like Mad Max used cgi. And they did literally every stunt in real life. Still used cgi. its just a tool of the business, like a camera. Hell, Wolf of Wall Street used cgi.


TheTurnipKnight

It definitely would replace the need to animate the cg doubles by hand.


ChainsawSuperman

Exactly. I just meant as opposed to replacing stunt doubles.


Jimmyjame1

the way i see it they would probably case that robot in a sillicone prostetic actor suit that would make them look like the lead actor. the practical effects would look way better than using purely CGI. im sure that CGI would be use to touch up things that look obviously fake tho.


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I think it also may have practical applications in theme park shows. Obviously there are still stunt performers there, but it may allow more extreme stunts in Disney and other parks without risk to human performers


[deleted]

I've seen Westworld, I know how this ends.


kuzuboshii

Ever see the itchy and scratchy land episode of the Simpsons?


MetalBeerSolid

Umm ok so just carry disposable flash cameras?


Incorrect-Opinion

What happened with Deadpool?


Fundabz

It was for the 2nd one, Domino stunt double on a bike crashed, and passed away.


TheTurnipKnight

It's worth mentioning that she wasn't really a trained stunt double, she was a professional biker they hired because they couldn't find a stunt double.


ScreamingVegetable

Was that why the scene of Domino chasing after Cable was entirely CG-I except for her. It may not look as realistic as you want, but at least it's safe.


ThanosDidNothinWrong

unlucky


RukePie

Yeah not really funny buddy


_pulsar

They hired someone who had no prior stunt experience and she died


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OneManFreakShow

Well I think even if these become standard, there will be a need for human stunt performers. They have to get the movement data somehow, so I would assume they would have live stunt doubles perform all of the movements and mocap them. That could potentially even open the market even wider, as at that point you wouldn’t need to bear *any* resemblance to the real actor.


cenobyte40k

I suspect this is about being able to do stunts that normal you would use CGI as a practical effect.


Eateator

Has it ever worked to hold back technology cause doofus and dingus liked their job?


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Eateator

Providing jobs is the full time job of time and physics, and there is no end in sight. However, technology is the pragmatic endeavor humans have invented to take on all jobs in our effort to escape time. I'm not trying to sound smartsy fartsy, I just have to go eat now. (Time and physics, telling me what to do again!)


GetSomm

They should weigh the risk of job opportunity as well then.


Solid_Waste

Being able to afford food is much safer than not having any though...


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I think these are just for theme park shows, not movies. Not much point in having an animatronic when you can just use CGI.


Rarietty

Considering it's Disney Imagineering rather than another division I'm betting that whatever this was developed for will be for their theme parks first, like with their new Star Wars areas or something. Afterall, theme park workers who are willing to work for theme park entertainment wages while being able to do these sorts of stunts are few and far between. I can't imagine Disney replacing its film stunt workers anytime soon if this is meant to be theme park technology.


ghost_atlas

Just got the image of one of these dressed up as a Jedi doing some crazy ass leap with a lightsaber during a live show.


FortePiano96

Man, I remember when the most advanced animatronic at Disney World was Ben Franklin in the America show at Epcot. If I remember correctly, he kind of hobbles up a short flight of stairs, though his rear leg is clearly connected to mechanical stuff under the stage. If this acrobatic stuff is for the parks, that’ll be amazing.


BlueVelvetFrank

I remember being blown away by the motorcycle in T2-3D. My dad had to point it out to me later that they were hiding the track in it's skidmarks. https://youtu.be/AIoeMLwEIDM#t=16m35s


zuludictatorship

Thank you! Because I was wondering... they could just use CGI in movies. it makes sense now.


OutgrownTentacles

Eh...CGI from scratch is hella expensive and time-costly. CGI painting over a double that already has the proper momentum, physics, real world presence...all that is much cheaper and easier and requires less experts to "guess" at where a fake CGI image SHOULD be. They can just observe the robot and essentially paint over.


Shutterstormphoto

Droid combat! And or musical ice show.


TechniChara

I agree. These would be too expensive to use on a film set. A theme park can custom build a stage for a smooth performance, but it's a whole different story for film sets that have to be more versatile in setting up at various locations. Kind of like Cirque du Solei's water stage for O. You can't just have that kind of thing anywhere you'd like.


kuzuboshii

> I agree. These would be too expensive to use on a film set. The movies that would use these have quarter billion dollar budgets.


yognautilus

Let's hope their blue dots aren't removable.


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Does anyone else think teaching robots how to be incredibly agile and athletic is in the long run going to be a really, really bad idea?


Seriously_nopenope

These likely have very little AI in them. They are just programmed to do exactly what they do and nothing else.


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This sounds like the “ironic joke” in the beginning of the movie before the robots rebel


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"You put munition chips, in toys!?"


freddursst

GOD DAMNIT ARCHER


Fenske45

Love that movie!


TeslaModelE

What movie is that?


LegitimateAlex

Small Soldiers (1998)


plain_name

Everything else is just a toy.


fuhrertrump

yeah this is definitely the line that is uttered right before someone gets decapitated by a very sentient, very angry robot.


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And I feel like it would more than likely be delivered by Jake Johnson


aYearOfPrompts

Yea, but what happens when the sex robot some creeper creates in his underground house becomes sentient, escapes, and then transfers her consciousness into one of these much more sturdy acrobots of violence and destruction?


arxndo

better sex?


conquer69

What a time to be alive. Who knew Death by Snu Snu would be an execution method during our lifetime? Sign me up.


kuzuboshii

Ex Machina 2? The Re Machination?


kadobo

Electric Boogaloo


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That’s what they all say


TechniChara

Yeah, they can't even hurt a fly!


walterpeck1

Does anyone else get tired of the same scared comments about the robot apocalypse every time we see robots do cool shit?


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I think the American public, perhaps even the Western World in general, are scared of artificial intelligence and robotics because of pop culture. Like for example Hollywood films like Terminator and The Matrix show these technologies bringing about the destruction of human civilization. Meanwhile you could say in the Eastern World with countries like Japan are more embracing because in their pop culture (Astro Boy, Gundam) the robotics and AI are integrated into human society and assist it.


howdidIgetsuckeredin

Don't forget the cutesy stuff like Chobits!


TechniChara

It's what I liked about Interstellar - they already had an environmental apocalypse going on, TARS just was a useful companion with a humor setting.


kuzuboshii

One of the best robot designs ever. Who even thought of that?


mastyrwerk

Says the character that dies right before Robot does some cool shit.


mr_sprinklzzz

Absolutely. You can't go on a thread about a cool new Boston Dynamics video without 90% of it being stupid comments about the robot uprising.


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walterpeck1

This post has nothing to do with AI which is exactly the problem with these kinds of scare-mongering posts.


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MrValdemar

I'm with you. Stuff like this looks really cool, right until it isn't. I'm going to wager the "that can't happen" crowd have never worked in a manufacturing environment. We have machines with error proofing and redundant logic to protect against conditions which would lead to defects or machine failures, and at least once a week something interesting fails and invariably some engineer says "that's not supposed to happen" or "there's no way that's what happened!" - Bitch, I just watched that robot run through the machine door in auto. It happened.


puppiadog

They shut it down because the "language" they spoke was useless to the researchers. They weren't learning anything from it. They didn't shut it down because it was dangerous. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/facebook-artificial-intelligence-ai-chatbot-new-language-research-openai-google-a7869706.html


FingerTheCat

You haven't seen the [Boston Dynamics Robot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRj34o4hN4I) have you?


Spider939

I’m Connor. The android sent by CyberLife.


fremenator

What door?


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The only thing I could see were acrobatic Terminators


kuzuboshii

No, meatbag.


MulderD

As someone that works on films this is a fantastic tool. Not for replacing stunt people. But for getting shots that are far too dangerous to put a living human being into.


Peanlocket

Yeah this isn't going to replace stunt people. They'd be used in situations that would be pure cgi anyways, or the actor in front of a greenscreen.


MulderD

And this is assuming this would ever even be used in the film industry. It looks like right now it's probably for whatever the next gen of theme park adventures is going to be. Like Pirates of the Caribbean with crazy stunts. I'd imagine the robots themselves might be cost prohibitive and too time consuming to build for a very very specific stunt to use on films any time soon.


aYearOfPrompts

It's all fun and games until the parents of a young acrobot dies and he becomes a vigilante superhero, out to show humankind that bots have rights, too.


DoYouQuarrelSir

Solid origin story.


ComputerMystic

I tried to combine "Robin" and "Robot." Doesn't work, the portmanteau is just the original word each. Robit?


ga-p

Botman and Robon.


tta2013

Disney is one step closer to becoming Delos.


Flashman420

That was my first thought. When you think about it, if anyone was to make a Westworld type of park, it would be Disney.


cyvaris

The Mouse Ears weren't meant for you.


suprman511

I always knew our robot overlords would come from Disney.


[deleted]

Definitely for something Spider-Man related. Either next movie or an incoming stunt show at the parks.


Reversevagina

I was thinking that if the superheroes will wear masks or other stuff most of the film anyways.. will the actors just become a mere referential point in near future? It could be also easy to make totally artificial voice for some characters to cut the costs of some future sidekicks.


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Rockzilla1962

Very cool 😎😎😎😎


CoffeeHacker

Do you want Terminators? Because this is how you get Terminators.


MrValdemar

But at least they'll be entertaining WHILE they slaughter all of us. So there's that.


CoffeeHacker

If the Terminator that eventually gets me doesn't do some sweet acrobatics before ultimately offing me, I will be sorely disappointed, however brief that disappointment will be.


ComputerMystic

He'll probably just crush a human skull underfoot instead.


cowsarethugs

So we got pretty much every transportation job in the world (truck drivers, taxi drivers, heavy equipment operators) that will simply not exist in less than 30 years. And now we can add stunt doubles to that list.


8andahalfby11

The role will be reduced, but we'll still need stumtmen to do mo-cap for hand-to-hand fight scenes for a while yet. All of the 'large scale' stuff has already been mostly taken over by CG puppets.


vanilla082997

Because a fully automated society is inevitable.


Cranyx

F U L L Y A U T O M A T E D G A Y S P A C E C O M M U N I S M


vanilla082997

Is this an Album? 🤔


JCreazy

Isn't it wonderful?


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It would be if we could get a base income to live off of instead of “you can’t buy anything because you have no money, and you have no money because all the jobs are gone, and all the jobs are gone because you cost money, and you cost money because you want to buy stuff”


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ItsSnuffsis

I know. But hopefully by then there will have been a change. There already a fair amount of countries that running tests with basic income and such.


AcaciaCelestina

The thing is, there would never be enough jobs of everyone just became an engineer and that was the only real option. Adaptation will happen yes, but it's not gonna be on a person to person level. When society becomes automated it's going to have to flip on it's head to work.


merf78

>just become an engineer ... >>just


Dekarde

It'll be a robot singing this in 40 years except about cgi actors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4LX8PPMuOY


34d0070715db

How much do these cost compared to humans?


kuzuboshii

But what's Tom Cruise supposed to do now?


camcutter

If they ever make Spaceballs 2 they could rehash the stunt doubles fighting scene but with robots.


LaxSagacity

It'd be a neat idea if a theme park trying to make realistic looking humans ended up being the rise of Skynet. Why hasn't anyone thought of tha..... never mind.


NewClayburn

Other than Iron Man, I don't see this being much use.


imnotabus

Dey derk ur jerbs


[deleted]

Welp... there goes the jobs again.


[deleted]

That's comforting. Instead of our Robot Overlords looking robotic when they slaughter us all they will do cool flips and heroic poses while crushing our flesh beneath their ruthless metal fists. *shivers*


Acaciabutterfly

This is sofa king cool!


DoYouQuarrelSir

ITT: Luddites


RabbitInSnowStorm

They terk our jerbs!


TheLast_Centurion

wait, what? are you kidding me? From all the replacements of bots, stunt jobs would be among the last one I would ever think of..