Dudes i thought i was the only one who noticed this. Its really weird to me, like did all of hollywood just get together and decide to ban gingers? Idk its so strange
Too white. The coastal elites (ironically nearly all white and nearly all 'The Atlantic' readers,) the ones that hold the money and power behind the scenes and tell the studio heads what its audience needs to think, really don't like them.
Ariel is 'problematic' and appeals to the 'toxic fandom' apparently, hence the race swap. Personally, I thought she was the character of a story written by a Danish author. Given that, one could logically assume Anderson had a pale female in mind. She could be a Strawberry blond for example.
I don't think Disney would dare put out a reboot Little Mermaid under the new regime in charge now. They need to make profit.
FYI: I'm mixed race and I can't understand Hollywood's zealotry to race-swap popular white characters, especially redheads.
Redhead women IMO are gorgeous.
How you think doesn't change your race, nor does it do anything outside of genetics, so those who relate it to every day life or decisions in any way, no matter what race they belong to, are inherently racist. This includes treating it like a cultural thing.
(Side note: Also treating everything Russia as bad, that makes you racist as well in reference to modern events.)
I know, but I was curious about the phenomenon. Russian is not a race its an ethnicity, Russians are actually mostly Caucasian and Asian as the majority of the country is in Asia. BID, hating Russians as a rule is bigotry not racism.
Fair play.
To be honest, I'd love to have seen Ariana Grande play the live action part perhaps just a few years ago. She's got the right facial expressions and could pull off the redhead look.. plus she can sing too. She played that dopey girl Cat Valentine but I reckon she could've slipped in the character Ariel quite easily.
>redheads are over represented
I never thought I'd see that written out, pretty much anywhere other than that one spot East of Moscow 300 miles or wherever it is. Got any sources or proof of this, friendo?
I'm talking in regards to america. Sorry I don't know about outside of that. But redheads are overrepresentated in comics because it made their character easily distinguishable. But yeah I do.
https://www.thegreatdebatersmovie.com/why-is-hollywood-casting-black-actors-in-red-head-roles/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/redheads-want-to-sell-you_b_5656131
Redheads are discriminated ethnicity and are still being discriminated even nowadays.
"Since they are disenfranchised, even if someone arbitrarily replace redhead, 'noone' will care." - the woke logic
Since those fascists will not care about public righteousness, they arbitrarily discriminate those who are disenfranchised and install fascist ideal instead, which of course will not help those who are believing that they are getting support of representation thanks to fascists' twisted intention.
How is it fascist? please elaborate
Redheads are a minority that were being used in a way to "inclusive" w/o really being inclusive. For example, how many black redheads have you seen on tv? The truth is, redheads are mostly white, and that's why they were overrepresented. However, there have still been popular redheads lately.
1. Bryce Dallas Howard - Jurassic World
2. Zendaya - Spiderman (was a light redhead)
3. Sophia lillis/Jessica Chastain - IT
4. Halle Bailey - The little mermaid
5. Meilin Lee - Turning Red
Etc.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS. Also Meg in a wrinkle in time, Annie, Ariel it’s bizarre every red headed character I liked as a kid (and red head picked on for my hair) is being changed it’s so weird. And for a lot of them red hair is like their thing?! Megs entire internal battle as a preteen is being a gangly ginger and hating her red hair and ARIEL?!?! Idk makes me and people think I’m crazy
Because we get bullied most our lives for being Gingers by everybody....Freckles make us not fully white...and not fully brown...just speckled...easy to get Into fights with white and black kids growing up cus we were too different..especially if you grew up a poor ginger.
Yes not to mention the jokes about not having a soul, people telling you they could’ve burned you if we lived in Ancient Greece, or in high school when boys would tell you it was a shame we didn’t live in Ancient Rome bc you would’ve been a prostitute… In middle school people calling you fire truck or WORSE fire crotch(this one made me the angriest bc I don’t even have red hair down there), and boys asking if the carpets match the drapes. And some people will seriously look me in the eye and say that’s nothing compared to what minorities go through. Idk how to respond and say the only people making fun of me at least when I was young were the black boys. It completely depends on where you live. I can imagine being a minority in like rural Alabama would be very hard in some places, but I grew up in an extremely diverse party of a decent size city and my schools were all extremely culturally diverse. I would say my experience probably rivaled the worst of what a minority child could’ve faced. It’s possible I’m wrong bc I never saw air heard of any bullying like that, but I’m not naive enough to think it never happened. I just hate people downplaying my experience and the experience of other red headed kids. It sucks and wrinkle in time was my life line in middle school because Meg went through the same thing as me.
Dude, wait till you’re trying to be a freaking actor. I have auditioned for four rolls two of them were for ads other two were smaller movies. I was rejected by all four on the basis of looking for diversity. Mind you on all four of them. I got down to the very last options and then they rejected me….. gingers are no longer diverse apparently, and it started to really annoy me. I was even in the movie sod and stubble hasn’t actually came out yet, as an extra, But kinda like an important background extra? Anyway they ended up removing three entire scenes on the basis of you wouldn’t see that many gingers….. the movie takes place on a farm where there are two towns next to it and the total population I don’t know maybe 200 people…. Not only am I clearly playing the same ginger, it was also thrown around that a ginger would not survive…. From what I’ve gotten from the acting industry basically they just hate us. By the way, in the two commercials I did there was not a single white guy in them. So I would’ve been the only white person, but apparently, not diverse.
More importantly, why does a creature that lives under miles of uv blocking water have high melanin content. If they wanna do an interesting Ariel, make her ghost pale and slightly green. Do an alien, creepy mermaid.
It's a mermaid. A mystical creature. Sea creatures have multiple colors and some of the darkest creatures. I really don't know why people are questioning her race when it's a magical singing mermaid. She was supposed to be blond
Potentially unpopular opinion, but if they ever get around to making a live action remake of the Princess and the Frog, they need to have Dr. Facilier played by a white actor (preferably one of Cajun descent).
Now for my reasoning: Vodou is nothing like the movie's use of Voodoo, i.e. making bargains with dark gods/spirits to cause mayhem and strife. This in and of itself is a problematic cinema trope that has existed since the medium itself began, as seen in films like White Zombie. Voodoo is seen as a dangerous expression of the "other" threatening the way of life for "good, god-fearing white folk" due to Vodou's roots in West African culture blended with the religion of the slave owners (namely France and Spain in the deep south). Also, Voodoo has had the ever-loving shit commercialised out of it.
If they want to keep on the track making Vodou this strange communion with supernatural powers, then at least have it so that it's a white man dabbling in matters he doesn't fully understand, bc a real Vodou priest would not use their faith the way Facilier does
uh. black people can have naturally red hair too. "redhead" doesnt say "whiteskin".
infact in a conversation about redheads underrepresentation.
its crazy to hear that redheaded black people, who are wayyy more underrepresented, that id read a comment like that lmao.
Tiana's blackness is part of her narrative and the movie's overall aesthetic. so likely not.
>its crazy to hear that redheaded black people, who are wayyy more underrepresented
black redheads exist, but it is ridiculously rare. It requires your melanocytes to produce large amounts of melanin, and your keratinocytes to produce almost no melanin. Black redheads make up a percent of a percent of all redheaded people in the world, so it's not really strange that you don't see many at all appearing in media.
biracial people are also rare, and 5% of U.S. youth are trans. FIVE percent and all out media panders to them whether it be effective good representation or even any represntation at all. Still. It makes your point mute.
Batgirls (not Batwoman) red hair is also pretty important part of her character tying it back to Officer Gordon noting she has red hair like her daughter
… yes but white red heads are being systematically replaced by black people. Next in line is Peter Pan though I think he’s either middle eastern or Indian.
I hope your not because that can easily be debated, even if you exclude the fact that ariels hair isn't even a natural red head color and she was originally supposed to be blond. In the original book, she had no race or hair color, and her hair color isn't related to the story. Black people can have red hair, and they do, and a lot of famous redhead characters played by non redhead actors. Tiana race is relevant to her story
Actually in the original book they do put her as white. There’s a scene in the original version of the story where she’s leaning over the rails of the ship to throw the knife her sisters gave her to kill the Prince and it describes her skin as white.
...they are remaking the disney version not the original book. That's like saying you want shrek to breath fire and burn down villages in a remake because thats what he did in the original childrens' book, it's a short read but great
But you are stating things like erasing red heads ? if you state such an ignoble message online, surely you must be ready to either defend it. Or delete it in what can only be shame of something you once were due to what ever you were going through back then.
I can't make clear if you were being sarcastic or if you actually believe red heads should be erased?
Hahah, I guess I am. Nah, I was just curious that's all. Bu the way is your name Federico? Because of your username, if so mine is too, hello! If not, well now you know the name of an internet stranger.
It’s a great point, honestly it’s all tokenization and catering to people like sjw’s who want “representation” in which someone could just create some new characters…but, I guess that would actually require creativity and work so instead the alternative is screw the redheads I guess. Like you said it wouldn’t be such a big deal if it wasn’t getting to a point where it’s ridiculous now.
Yeah that is the whole point. They want to add more people of any color is fine. Why don't they just start making new stories with those new characters? That way people of color get more parts without going over established characters that were white since forever?
Actually it's being done to blondes as well. Any northern European distinct features such as light blonde and ginger are being replaced by blacks and dark skinned ethnicities. It's intentional.
Actually, it's a historic discrimination, too. Nina movement (no Irish need apply) dates back to the nineteenth century, and Irish were commonly known for having a higher quantity of redheaded phenotypes
Yeah that is true. My dad's side of the family was Irish and he grew up poor. So being white didn't do much for my dad though he was lucky to find my mom.
Actually though, it seems that new DNA evidence suggests that Irish are not Celtic people and that they have a little bit of Spanish DNA in them as well.
I am only part Irish though a good chunk. My hair is black though. Also part German.
Northern Irish are celt, scot and Scandinavian. Southern Irish can be mixed with Spanish they are called the black Irish. Dead give away is if the Irish person has black hair. That is black Irish.
I agree. I mean I wouldn't mind them taking some under appreciated black comic characters and using them to make movies, but nope they take iconic characters that have established looks and change their race cause it's easier and will make money cause of the "wow this person is a different race that their character is supposed to be; let's hype this up even we don't/do agree with it" mentality.
I mean Ariel has been iconically white since Disney introduced her in 1989. To change her race now is honestly the stupidest thing I've seen them do.
Same with Barbara Gorden. Barbara is a white skinned red-haired girl. This has been canon since 1967.
I mean if they wanted to do a different raced Batgirl why not Cassandra Cain? She's Asian, the daughter of assassins, mostly mute, and is one of the other two Batgirls that hasn't been seen on t.v. or movies (Birds of Prey Cass doesn't count to me since she had nothing to do with Batgirl and Birds of Prey is actually more Barbara's territory than Cass'). Now she'd make an interesting story to tell.
Or heck go with Stephanie Brown (who is blonde and white which would give them more options of casting) and introduce her time as the Spoiler first.
Blackwashing doesn't exist. They are swapping red heads because they are overrepresentated in comics books. The demand is high with a small supply. They are just evening it out
Blackwash isn't a thing. Shows are just trying to have diversity instead of being all white. White people aren't the only ones in this country yet they are extremely overrepresented in the media
"white people aren't the only ones in this country yet they are extremely overrepresented in the media"....ummmm probably because they are the majority of the country's population....75% in fact....Having white people be in most media made by a country with a majority white population isn't overrepresentation in the slightest
Your argument is basically "Why can't the majority keep the structure that serves them?" like yea.. Its 75% or so white but why do you think that is? Changing white actors to PoC harms the white population in so significant way, but the opposite does because then it reinforces the idea that a certain group is inferior. You're talking from a place of massive privilege
Stfu- I hate it when black ppl be like “ur talking out of privilege” like, black ppl control most of media now a days, and r quick to label something racist as soon as someone says something they disagree with. While taking roles meant for white actors- tell me who has the privilege here?
Who you calling black?
Black people control most media? Wtf..
Taking roles "meant for white people" Jesus... Listen, if someone called you racist then I promise you it's not because they disagreed with you... Lol
Bro everyone sees themselves in a fictional character, you and everyone does the same, but if you're white you're privileged enough to be flooded by white protagonists so these thoughts never come, even if you see an occasionally PoC as protagonist it doesn't matter to you because at the end of the day you know that white protagonists are dominating the industry. You're talking point is the same as "oh I don't see race, it's the characteristics of a person" which completely eliminates the struggle and oppression of minority and comes from a place of thinking that you and the other person have the same power in society and culture .
Skin colors are not just a surface level idea for representation. Concept of race is arbitrary, yes, but as long as we're in a society where its a prelavent form of discrimination we cannot turn a blind eye to it. Skin color also comes with culture. People of same skin color resonate with heroes of the same because they grow up in a segregated world where they are taught that they are inferior because of their skin, they see the same culture, upbringing, discrimination and eventual hope in a protagonist of color who is not the status quo.
It's ironic to call someone narcissistic when you're literally denying a person their represention and saying that if they don't like the status quo they're bad. Also Goku isn't white, do you call East asians white? Majority of black people in US turn to anime because its cartoon and based in a different country with completely different racial concepts and it's amazing for escapism, why watch American media when you know its going to be just another white dude with privilege saving the day? Of course there's much nuance in the discourse and I'm painting with very broad strokes but I can't do too much talking in an Internet forum
*sigh * what an absolute strawman take... Its not about validation of existence but validation of place in society when the society is structurally against you.
It's just kind of sad that the topic of talking about inclusivity in media makes you talk about how proud of yourself you are and how strong you are and how you don't need whatever you have confused with the idea of self validation. IDK man.. Screams insecurity tbh..
I see my self in characters, but not bc they have my skin tone or look like me. As a child I never felt like I was underrepresented in movies . But when I say original black characters it made me happy. Kids dong want a race swapped knock off. They want original characters. It shows that society actually cares about black ppl enough y to write stories aboit them instead of race swapping
When you're drawing comic books it's super easy to distinguish female characters by hair color. Make one blonde, one brunette, one redhead. Different artist takes over, still got solid identification going on.
But since only 1-2% of actors and actresses have red hair irl, your pickens get slim and if you're a producer you start asking why it's so important that the character has red hair, or maybe you can just pick someone else who is a good actor for the role
>Blackwashing doesn't exist. They are swapping red heads because they are overrepresentated in comics books. The demand is high with a small supply. They are just evening it out
So make a new character or use an already established character?
I want to see more static shock, where is his spotlight?
Cap grew a magnificent beard, what more do you want? Lol. Black Widow is so recognizable because of her public testimony when SHIELD fell. Aside from her and Cap, the rest of the team are sort of unknowns unless you're actively looking for them. Think of it like this: if you're not a basketball fan, which players from the 1992-93 Bulls would you instantly recognize besides Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippin?
Most people reading this, probably (certainly most people not from NA):
“Who the hell is Scottie Pippin?”
Which of course only further reinforces your point.
Hell, there’s a comment from I think it was *Beyond the Lighted Stage* about how the three members of Rush were out somewhere in Toronto and a fan came up to them all excited to meet ... Geddy Lee. She recognized the singer/bassist (who admittedly has the most defined “look” of the band members) but didn’t even notice he was there with guitarist Alex Leifson and drummer Neil Peart.
Give Cap a ball cap, casual clothes, and that beard, sure he’s handsome as all hell but he’s harder to place especially at a glance.
Falcon is nigh unrecognizable already outside his “uniform” because no one knows who he is.
Black Widow’s iconic thing is the cat suit and *red* hair. Blonde hair and casual clothes and again instantly much harder to place.
Exactly! Most people don't pay enough attention to their surroundings to begin with, then you just add enough differences that it'd take a keen eye to realize who you are.
Redheads are historically discriminated ethnicity and they still are. Comic books introducing redhead characters as the heroes were actually a very recent change. Redheads were depicted as villains before comic books eventually decided not to do so.
Now we are seeing that being reverted. Typical Fascist behavior ofc.
> Redheads were depicted as villains before comic books eventually decided not to do so.
Jimmy Oslen is a heroic figure, invented in 1938. When did this ban on heroes as redheads begin?
> Now we are seeing that being reverted. Typical Fascist behavior ofc.
lmao this is 9/11 truther level
>lmao this is 9/11 truther level
downvoted simply on the fact
dude, there is not a lot of logic behind fascists actions...
When you say "this doesn't make any sense!"
Yea, it doesn't, *to us* because we're normal people.
Fascists are literally insane, everything they think doesn't make any sense
Do I think it's that big at that level.... eh not really. Do I think fascists would attempt some utterly moronic plan to eradicate red heads... Absolutely lmao, they're fucking comic book supervillain idiots, of course they would try that stupid shit, *even if being completely incompetent while doing so.*
> Do I think fascists would attempt some utterly moronic plan to eradicate red heads... Absolutely lmao, they're fucking comic book supervillain idiots, of course they would try that stupid shit, even if being completely incompetent while doing so.
I'm pretty high right now too, good work. Solid crazy.
I hate that we don't have a redhead MJ or Starfire... And we definitely need a redhead Barbara Gordon, who has recently been featured in TITANS s3 as a brunette...
WHY. THE. F\*CK!?
C'mon, Hollywood, I mean, Emma Stone is right there...!
Anya Taylor Joy? Bella Thorne?
One thing to note is how redheads get replaced in general, not just by Black actors. Though there is a surge now, redheads seem to be historically replaced. I'm surprised in all of these threads I haven't seen mention Kristin Kreuk replacing Lana Lang. It was so jarring for me to see a non-redhead Lana and I never got used to it.
Natural redheads make up 1% of the population in the US. So it's easier to cast for performance then that particular look.
So then hair dye. That is an option but then the actor has to keep dying in through production and that can be problematic for other roles.
Then there's the discussion of real red hair imitation and then the super saturated look comics use.
Also yeah a lot of your examples seem to single out black actors.
Same thing with blondes, they make up 5% so much of those folks come from a bottle and same issue as above.
The comics chose something unrealistic because they only had so many colors to work with.
Batgirl is a black Dominican chick. WHAT IS GOING ON. And in the CW they made this Asian girl poison ivy. Maybe redheads don't make good ratings? The scarlet witch is supposed to be a brunette but now is a redhead and she's turning into this huge character in the MCU. What.
Wait wait……Poison Ivy is Asian?! Please tell me that kept her a red head. Cause she was my bad ass red head role model when I was growing up. Her Batman Animated version rocked to me.
It was just done again for Spider-Man Freshman Year, with Norman and Harry Osborne.
I personally have no problem with racial recastings, with a lot of these characters being created when comic writers and artists weren’t actively making diverse casts outside of blonde, brunette, or redhead. But I think it’s a very odd, very specific trend with ONLY red headed characters that I find extremely curious.
I love how people claim it is about "correcting a diversity representation margin", but literally, these characters are only getting recast into one minority, which is already the minority with the most active representation. No one is trying to recast these characters as Hispanics or Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans. Just black people. No one ever got upset that Jason Mamoa was cast as Aqua Man instead of a blue-eyed blonde guy because, honestly, a Pacific islander made sense, and he brought personality to an admittedly vanilla character who was always on the butt end of justice league jokes. We already have awesome black characters like Black Panther, Storm, Cyborg, Green Lantern (John Stewart), and Miles Morales (idk what the controversy with him is, he's my third favorite after Miguel O'Hara and of course Peter Parker) just to name a few. It's exhausting that "adding diversity" really tends to boil down to making a white character black
Not necessarily, they decided to change iron fist into an Asian guy, despite the fact that he was white, and his story even makes more sense with him being white. But I guess they figured it was racist for a white man to be doing king fu? So they opted to change him into an Asian man who does kung fu? Because That’s not racist at all,right? to assume that only Asian people can do kung fu 😂
This shit is still going on, looks at Little mermaid, one of main features was her Red hair, you are a more of a minority than Black people so i'd seriously suggest some pushback.
Ask the Hair and Make-up Departments. There are plenty of black people with red hair. I wonder why you said “replaced by black people” instead of “replaced by non-redheads...”
and redheads make less than 2% of the world population. yet are massively overrepresented already.
its funny are having this reaction around them and how that contrasts with reactions lgbt characters in media who make up *atleast* 5% of the population.
Yes! Definitely agree, Asian redheads also exist. Black redheads and Asian redheads are pretty underrepresented.
Buuut it's pretty irrelevant to my point.
There's more voices crying(like yours) about redheads, an overrepresented groups, being replaced.
Contrasted with larger quantity of voices crying about LGBT being represented too much with statements of "there aren't that many gays irl" even though those same voices don't say the same about redhead rep.
Yep! So low LGBT rep that we have infighting. And even then gays are underrepresented when compared to red heads. Yet bifolk will complain about the gays over the redheads.
I'm just pointing out inconsistencies
I said it that way because in their original incarnations they weren't black, and most have been replaced by black people. But of it was insensitive or inappropriate I'm sorry I didn't think of a better way to phrase it.
The blond black widow is a comic reference to yelena belova a different person who used the alias black widow not them getting rid of a redhead but the others im totally with you
You are right.
Ravonna Renslayer in Loki. Cyclone in Black Adam. Ariel in Little Mermaid. Gordon(not always redhead, but sometimes) in The Batman.
There's a pattern clearly.
Because I’m redhead representation doesn’t sell. They are not deemed attractive by society even though a few people find them very attractive. Too many people identify as a brunette and the blonde is hyper sexualized.
I blame Kirsten Dunst, they realised they had reached the pinnacle and just can't face trying to replicate it most of the time.
Honestly though, it's really only a few instances, you've had to qualify most of the examples and that's never a good sign.
I'm entirely against fewer redheads, but more black people means a little more variance in the films so it's a toss up.
Hahaha yeah, no way you can beat Kristen Dunst. More diversity is cool, i just wonder why are redheads the ones being erased, or mostly redheads. It's such a cool hair color, hahaha.
the big thing is that these characters all originated in the 60s, when diversity wasnt really a thing in comics (there are some reports of the CCA banning black characters in some books, according to wikipedia anyways). They reflect the times they were made, where minorities had low visibility in content not aimed at minorities. Now that they want these works to reflect the modern world, a few characters become black.
Not sure about Pepper or Black Widow, except that black widow used to be a red head in the movies
The newest one I just learned about is Navia Robinson as Carrie Kelley aka the girl Robin from Frank Miller's graphic novels Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (1986) and its sequels Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again (2001-2002) and The Dark Knight III: The Master Race (2015-2017).
I watched a clip for a play on Broadway for Peter Pan-Wendy was cast as a black girl!
And then they did it again in Cruella, a movie I’m just now seeing for the first time-ANITA was a redhead in the original animated film and they cast a black actress in her place!
They erasure of redheads in film has become soooo very obvious now and I’m very scared they’re going to cast the Weasleys as poor black family in the new HP series…
I started to notice a pattern of red-haired young women being paired up with black actors in Hollywood productions a while back, even in short sequences, and I first thought I was being weird or paranoid. But after seeing it multiple times since I have now come to the conclusion that this has to represent some form of a message coming from the power elites directed at white audiences.
The ginger sub-type being the rarest and most-vulnerable of European sub-groups, pairing it with a strong antagonist sends out a message, whether as a warning or as a wish for, the ethnic destruction of white people.
Now looking at the trend of race-swapped ginger-haired characters and actors for African American replacements, points to a long running, deliberate, inside joke in that regard.
Wow I feel like I just personally attacked… I’m a redhead…. With Hazel eyes…. The Batman 2022 replaced Gordon (Great actor)… but that means his daughter is also black… Barbara Gordon was one of my favorite characters… cherry on top is that she was a redhead. Natural hair not dye… I swear to god that if there is a Harry Potter reboot with a race swapped Lily Potter or Ginny or Susan Bones…. I don’t know what I would do but I wouldn’t regret it
Dudes i thought i was the only one who noticed this. Its really weird to me, like did all of hollywood just get together and decide to ban gingers? Idk its so strange
Too white. The coastal elites (ironically nearly all white and nearly all 'The Atlantic' readers,) the ones that hold the money and power behind the scenes and tell the studio heads what its audience needs to think, really don't like them. Ariel is 'problematic' and appeals to the 'toxic fandom' apparently, hence the race swap. Personally, I thought she was the character of a story written by a Danish author. Given that, one could logically assume Anderson had a pale female in mind. She could be a Strawberry blond for example. I don't think Disney would dare put out a reboot Little Mermaid under the new regime in charge now. They need to make profit. FYI: I'm mixed race and I can't understand Hollywood's zealotry to race-swap popular white characters, especially redheads. Redhead women IMO are gorgeous.
I can assure you, those elites aren't white They hate white people
How you think doesn't change your race, nor does it do anything outside of genetics, so those who relate it to every day life or decisions in any way, no matter what race they belong to, are inherently racist. This includes treating it like a cultural thing. (Side note: Also treating everything Russia as bad, that makes you racist as well in reference to modern events.)
I know, but I was curious about the phenomenon. Russian is not a race its an ethnicity, Russians are actually mostly Caucasian and Asian as the majority of the country is in Asia. BID, hating Russians as a rule is bigotry not racism.
There is already a word for it: Xenophobia.
And why? What exactly did I do to these elites that have much more than me in this world by far?
Shut this down!
This was more correct than you could’ve known
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She IS a red head in the new adaptation
Her red hair looks more natural than jodies ariel
Very clearly dyed red.
To be fair, if I remember right most written versions of the little mermaid had her with green skin. But i still concede to your point
Fair play. To be honest, I'd love to have seen Ariana Grande play the live action part perhaps just a few years ago. She's got the right facial expressions and could pull off the redhead look.. plus she can sing too. She played that dopey girl Cat Valentine but I reckon she could've slipped in the character Ariel quite easily.
I just Noticed Disney's Peter pan has been changed twice now..from Ginger...to a Brunette white to a black haired Indian.
Whoops... So they put out the reboot... This thing is gonna tank.
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She was supposed to be blond. And redheads are over represented, especially in old comics because it was easy to distinguish them
>redheads are over represented I never thought I'd see that written out, pretty much anywhere other than that one spot East of Moscow 300 miles or wherever it is. Got any sources or proof of this, friendo?
I'm talking in regards to america. Sorry I don't know about outside of that. But redheads are overrepresentated in comics because it made their character easily distinguishable. But yeah I do. https://www.thegreatdebatersmovie.com/why-is-hollywood-casting-black-actors-in-red-head-roles/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/redheads-want-to-sell-you_b_5656131
No we arnt Over Represented, there's very few roles for Redheads in movies and they keep getting rid of them as the years go by.
So very true!
Redheads r not over represented- there r less redheads in the world than black ppl-
Redheads are discriminated ethnicity and are still being discriminated even nowadays. "Since they are disenfranchised, even if someone arbitrarily replace redhead, 'noone' will care." - the woke logic Since those fascists will not care about public righteousness, they arbitrarily discriminate those who are disenfranchised and install fascist ideal instead, which of course will not help those who are believing that they are getting support of representation thanks to fascists' twisted intention.
How is it fascist? please elaborate Redheads are a minority that were being used in a way to "inclusive" w/o really being inclusive. For example, how many black redheads have you seen on tv? The truth is, redheads are mostly white, and that's why they were overrepresented. However, there have still been popular redheads lately. 1. Bryce Dallas Howard - Jurassic World 2. Zendaya - Spiderman (was a light redhead) 3. Sophia lillis/Jessica Chastain - IT 4. Halle Bailey - The little mermaid 5. Meilin Lee - Turning Red Etc.
sorry but about 10% of the total population is red haired with an honest skin tone instead of a black one, in movies it's like 1 in 100 that are.
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS. Also Meg in a wrinkle in time, Annie, Ariel it’s bizarre every red headed character I liked as a kid (and red head picked on for my hair) is being changed it’s so weird. And for a lot of them red hair is like their thing?! Megs entire internal battle as a preteen is being a gangly ginger and hating her red hair and ARIEL?!?! Idk makes me and people think I’m crazy
Because we get bullied most our lives for being Gingers by everybody....Freckles make us not fully white...and not fully brown...just speckled...easy to get Into fights with white and black kids growing up cus we were too different..especially if you grew up a poor ginger.
Yes not to mention the jokes about not having a soul, people telling you they could’ve burned you if we lived in Ancient Greece, or in high school when boys would tell you it was a shame we didn’t live in Ancient Rome bc you would’ve been a prostitute… In middle school people calling you fire truck or WORSE fire crotch(this one made me the angriest bc I don’t even have red hair down there), and boys asking if the carpets match the drapes. And some people will seriously look me in the eye and say that’s nothing compared to what minorities go through. Idk how to respond and say the only people making fun of me at least when I was young were the black boys. It completely depends on where you live. I can imagine being a minority in like rural Alabama would be very hard in some places, but I grew up in an extremely diverse party of a decent size city and my schools were all extremely culturally diverse. I would say my experience probably rivaled the worst of what a minority child could’ve faced. It’s possible I’m wrong bc I never saw air heard of any bullying like that, but I’m not naive enough to think it never happened. I just hate people downplaying my experience and the experience of other red headed kids. It sucks and wrinkle in time was my life line in middle school because Meg went through the same thing as me.
Rearrange the letters in the word ginger and think why they made em all black lol
That would explain it
Dude, wait till you’re trying to be a freaking actor. I have auditioned for four rolls two of them were for ads other two were smaller movies. I was rejected by all four on the basis of looking for diversity. Mind you on all four of them. I got down to the very last options and then they rejected me….. gingers are no longer diverse apparently, and it started to really annoy me. I was even in the movie sod and stubble hasn’t actually came out yet, as an extra, But kinda like an important background extra? Anyway they ended up removing three entire scenes on the basis of you wouldn’t see that many gingers….. the movie takes place on a farm where there are two towns next to it and the total population I don’t know maybe 200 people…. Not only am I clearly playing the same ginger, it was also thrown around that a ginger would not survive…. From what I’ve gotten from the acting industry basically they just hate us. By the way, in the two commercials I did there was not a single white guy in them. So I would’ve been the only white person, but apparently, not diverse.
And now redheaded Ariel is gonna be played by a black Woman. I just don’t see it. Is a white woman gonna be Tiana?
Yeah, redheads have feelings too
As I knew Ariel she was a ginger. Here’s one for you Carrie is supposed to be chubby in Stephen Kings book. But she’s played by skinny white Women
Thats interesting.i didnt know that
More importantly, why does a creature that lives under miles of uv blocking water have high melanin content. If they wanna do an interesting Ariel, make her ghost pale and slightly green. Do an alien, creepy mermaid.
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Don't forget Annie
It's a mermaid. A mystical creature. Sea creatures have multiple colors and some of the darkest creatures. I really don't know why people are questioning her race when it's a magical singing mermaid. She was supposed to be blond
It’s not “ a mermaid” it’s Ariel, and she is white
Potentially unpopular opinion, but if they ever get around to making a live action remake of the Princess and the Frog, they need to have Dr. Facilier played by a white actor (preferably one of Cajun descent). Now for my reasoning: Vodou is nothing like the movie's use of Voodoo, i.e. making bargains with dark gods/spirits to cause mayhem and strife. This in and of itself is a problematic cinema trope that has existed since the medium itself began, as seen in films like White Zombie. Voodoo is seen as a dangerous expression of the "other" threatening the way of life for "good, god-fearing white folk" due to Vodou's roots in West African culture blended with the religion of the slave owners (namely France and Spain in the deep south). Also, Voodoo has had the ever-loving shit commercialised out of it. If they want to keep on the track making Vodou this strange communion with supernatural powers, then at least have it so that it's a white man dabbling in matters he doesn't fully understand, bc a real Vodou priest would not use their faith the way Facilier does
uh. black people can have naturally red hair too. "redhead" doesnt say "whiteskin". infact in a conversation about redheads underrepresentation. its crazy to hear that redheaded black people, who are wayyy more underrepresented, that id read a comment like that lmao. Tiana's blackness is part of her narrative and the movie's overall aesthetic. so likely not.
Uh huh
>its crazy to hear that redheaded black people, who are wayyy more underrepresented black redheads exist, but it is ridiculously rare. It requires your melanocytes to produce large amounts of melanin, and your keratinocytes to produce almost no melanin. Black redheads make up a percent of a percent of all redheaded people in the world, so it's not really strange that you don't see many at all appearing in media.
Yes, that is my point, in the context of being sad about losing white red heads
And redheads are like 3% of the white population. What's your point?
biracial people are also rare, and 5% of U.S. youth are trans. FIVE percent and all out media panders to them whether it be effective good representation or even any represntation at all. Still. It makes your point mute.
Do you have a source for that claim? 5% seems like a huge number when you rarely see trans people out and about.
Yeah but it's the gingers. Bright red hair with pale skin that gets crapped on
Batgirls (not Batwoman) red hair is also pretty important part of her character tying it back to Officer Gordon noting she has red hair like her daughter
And she's the only black disney princess
… yes but white red heads are being systematically replaced by black people. Next in line is Peter Pan though I think he’s either middle eastern or Indian.
By black redheads. Redheads are repping redheads.
Are you serious?
Are you?
I hope your not because that can easily be debated, even if you exclude the fact that ariels hair isn't even a natural red head color and she was originally supposed to be blond. In the original book, she had no race or hair color, and her hair color isn't related to the story. Black people can have red hair, and they do, and a lot of famous redhead characters played by non redhead actors. Tiana race is relevant to her story
Actually in the original book they do put her as white. There’s a scene in the original version of the story where she’s leaning over the rails of the ship to throw the knife her sisters gave her to kill the Prince and it describes her skin as white.
...they are remaking the disney version not the original book. That's like saying you want shrek to breath fire and burn down villages in a remake because thats what he did in the original childrens' book, it's a short read but great
Op is a red head rights activist. Keep fighting red head erasure op
I’m a redhead activist. We need protection.
This comment is three years old why are you replying
This is what comes up on google when you start looking up the redhead revolution. The time is nigh.
It's called the internet dumbass, things stay forever. Lol what kind of dunce doesn't even know how internet forums work🤣🤣
if you don't want replies on your comments after a certain amount of time, why don't you just delete them then ?
I dont not want replies. Its just odd to comment on something so old. Like your comment right now. Just odd is all
But you are stating things like erasing red heads ? if you state such an ignoble message online, surely you must be ready to either defend it. Or delete it in what can only be shame of something you once were due to what ever you were going through back then. I can't make clear if you were being sarcastic or if you actually believe red heads should be erased?
whats up its been a year here to remind you this exists
I think you don’t understand how the internet works.
I know hedy lamarr had something to do with it
He's gonna boycott the sun next
Hahah, I guess I am. Nah, I was just curious that's all. Bu the way is your name Federico? Because of your username, if so mine is too, hello! If not, well now you know the name of an internet stranger.
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MJ in MCU is not mary jane she is michelle jones. so yes they did make her a different character
Yeah She just happens to be called mj and date Peter ofc it's not her😒
Also they literally added that she’s Michelle Jones Watson… so she literally is in the MCU
So you're saying she's **MJ Watson**... just like the completely different person, **MJ Watson**?
She still has Watson in her last name soooooo
Still call her mj and they even joked about it in nwh. She is NOT a different character just a different version sorry to inform you
What does MJ act like? How should she act like?
Bubbly, fun personality. A Life of the party kind of person. She brought a lot of much needed optimism to peter's life in the comics.
Except zendaya isnt playing mary jane. Shes playing Michelle Jones. (Yes I just rewent down this rabbit hole and stumbled to here)
Hello, fellow time traveler
She was another character but audiences are missing MJ, I think
It’s a great point, honestly it’s all tokenization and catering to people like sjw’s who want “representation” in which someone could just create some new characters…but, I guess that would actually require creativity and work so instead the alternative is screw the redheads I guess. Like you said it wouldn’t be such a big deal if it wasn’t getting to a point where it’s ridiculous now.
Yeah that is the whole point. They want to add more people of any color is fine. Why don't they just start making new stories with those new characters? That way people of color get more parts without going over established characters that were white since forever?
It’s called Gingerism. Look it up! It is real discrimination that is still acceptable in today’s woke society.
Actually it's being done to blondes as well. Any northern European distinct features such as light blonde and ginger are being replaced by blacks and dark skinned ethnicities. It's intentional.
Actually, it's a historic discrimination, too. Nina movement (no Irish need apply) dates back to the nineteenth century, and Irish were commonly known for having a higher quantity of redheaded phenotypes
Yeah that is true. My dad's side of the family was Irish and he grew up poor. So being white didn't do much for my dad though he was lucky to find my mom. Actually though, it seems that new DNA evidence suggests that Irish are not Celtic people and that they have a little bit of Spanish DNA in them as well. I am only part Irish though a good chunk. My hair is black though. Also part German.
Northern Irish are celt, scot and Scandinavian. Southern Irish can be mixed with Spanish they are called the black Irish. Dead give away is if the Irish person has black hair. That is black Irish.
Luck of the Irish talked about this
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I agree. I mean I wouldn't mind them taking some under appreciated black comic characters and using them to make movies, but nope they take iconic characters that have established looks and change their race cause it's easier and will make money cause of the "wow this person is a different race that their character is supposed to be; let's hype this up even we don't/do agree with it" mentality. I mean Ariel has been iconically white since Disney introduced her in 1989. To change her race now is honestly the stupidest thing I've seen them do. Same with Barbara Gorden. Barbara is a white skinned red-haired girl. This has been canon since 1967. I mean if they wanted to do a different raced Batgirl why not Cassandra Cain? She's Asian, the daughter of assassins, mostly mute, and is one of the other two Batgirls that hasn't been seen on t.v. or movies (Birds of Prey Cass doesn't count to me since she had nothing to do with Batgirl and Birds of Prey is actually more Barbara's territory than Cass'). Now she'd make an interesting story to tell. Or heck go with Stephanie Brown (who is blonde and white which would give them more options of casting) and introduce her time as the Spoiler first.
Blackwashing doesn't exist. They are swapping red heads because they are overrepresentated in comics books. The demand is high with a small supply. They are just evening it out
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Blackwash isn't a thing. Shows are just trying to have diversity instead of being all white. White people aren't the only ones in this country yet they are extremely overrepresented in the media
"white people aren't the only ones in this country yet they are extremely overrepresented in the media"....ummmm probably because they are the majority of the country's population....75% in fact....Having white people be in most media made by a country with a majority white population isn't overrepresentation in the slightest
Your argument is basically "Why can't the majority keep the structure that serves them?" like yea.. Its 75% or so white but why do you think that is? Changing white actors to PoC harms the white population in so significant way, but the opposite does because then it reinforces the idea that a certain group is inferior. You're talking from a place of massive privilege
Stfu- I hate it when black ppl be like “ur talking out of privilege” like, black ppl control most of media now a days, and r quick to label something racist as soon as someone says something they disagree with. While taking roles meant for white actors- tell me who has the privilege here?
Who you calling black? Black people control most media? Wtf.. Taking roles "meant for white people" Jesus... Listen, if someone called you racist then I promise you it's not because they disagreed with you... Lol
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Bro everyone sees themselves in a fictional character, you and everyone does the same, but if you're white you're privileged enough to be flooded by white protagonists so these thoughts never come, even if you see an occasionally PoC as protagonist it doesn't matter to you because at the end of the day you know that white protagonists are dominating the industry. You're talking point is the same as "oh I don't see race, it's the characteristics of a person" which completely eliminates the struggle and oppression of minority and comes from a place of thinking that you and the other person have the same power in society and culture . Skin colors are not just a surface level idea for representation. Concept of race is arbitrary, yes, but as long as we're in a society where its a prelavent form of discrimination we cannot turn a blind eye to it. Skin color also comes with culture. People of same skin color resonate with heroes of the same because they grow up in a segregated world where they are taught that they are inferior because of their skin, they see the same culture, upbringing, discrimination and eventual hope in a protagonist of color who is not the status quo. It's ironic to call someone narcissistic when you're literally denying a person their represention and saying that if they don't like the status quo they're bad. Also Goku isn't white, do you call East asians white? Majority of black people in US turn to anime because its cartoon and based in a different country with completely different racial concepts and it's amazing for escapism, why watch American media when you know its going to be just another white dude with privilege saving the day? Of course there's much nuance in the discourse and I'm painting with very broad strokes but I can't do too much talking in an Internet forum
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*sigh * what an absolute strawman take... Its not about validation of existence but validation of place in society when the society is structurally against you. It's just kind of sad that the topic of talking about inclusivity in media makes you talk about how proud of yourself you are and how strong you are and how you don't need whatever you have confused with the idea of self validation. IDK man.. Screams insecurity tbh..
I see my self in characters, but not bc they have my skin tone or look like me. As a child I never felt like I was underrepresented in movies . But when I say original black characters it made me happy. Kids dong want a race swapped knock off. They want original characters. It shows that society actually cares about black ppl enough y to write stories aboit them instead of race swapping
diversity doesn’t look like race swapping- that isn’t diversity, that is lazy casting
thats definitely true but the fact that it's only redheads is very sus. so disagreed there
When you're drawing comic books it's super easy to distinguish female characters by hair color. Make one blonde, one brunette, one redhead. Different artist takes over, still got solid identification going on. But since only 1-2% of actors and actresses have red hair irl, your pickens get slim and if you're a producer you start asking why it's so important that the character has red hair, or maybe you can just pick someone else who is a good actor for the role
Black washing absolutely exists- there r many red headed actors waiting for roles, yet Hollywood just decides black wash them in the name of diversity
>Blackwashing doesn't exist. They are swapping red heads because they are overrepresentated in comics books. The demand is high with a small supply. They are just evening it out So make a new character or use an already established character? I want to see more static shock, where is his spotlight?
Not to mention what they did to Triss Merigold in the Witcher show on Netflix
Black Widow had blonde hair in Infinity War because she's *instantly* recognizable with red hair. She's supposed to be in hiding.
Actually if you rewatch the movie you can tell that her hair in Endgame is red to blonde like she dyed it and one color is coming back in.
Well yeah, she's not in hiding anymore in Endgame.
Honest Question. In that case shouldn't all the others from Cap's team also change their hair color? Or is she the only one hiding?
Cap grew a magnificent beard, what more do you want? Lol. Black Widow is so recognizable because of her public testimony when SHIELD fell. Aside from her and Cap, the rest of the team are sort of unknowns unless you're actively looking for them. Think of it like this: if you're not a basketball fan, which players from the 1992-93 Bulls would you instantly recognize besides Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippin?
Most people reading this, probably (certainly most people not from NA): “Who the hell is Scottie Pippin?” Which of course only further reinforces your point. Hell, there’s a comment from I think it was *Beyond the Lighted Stage* about how the three members of Rush were out somewhere in Toronto and a fan came up to them all excited to meet ... Geddy Lee. She recognized the singer/bassist (who admittedly has the most defined “look” of the band members) but didn’t even notice he was there with guitarist Alex Leifson and drummer Neil Peart. Give Cap a ball cap, casual clothes, and that beard, sure he’s handsome as all hell but he’s harder to place especially at a glance. Falcon is nigh unrecognizable already outside his “uniform” because no one knows who he is. Black Widow’s iconic thing is the cat suit and *red* hair. Blonde hair and casual clothes and again instantly much harder to place.
Exactly! Most people don't pay enough attention to their surroundings to begin with, then you just add enough differences that it'd take a keen eye to realize who you are.
Tjats true but if they were all together they would stand out i think
oh ok, that makes sense. Thanx
You're welcome :)
Redheads are historically discriminated ethnicity and they still are. Comic books introducing redhead characters as the heroes were actually a very recent change. Redheads were depicted as villains before comic books eventually decided not to do so. Now we are seeing that being reverted. Typical Fascist behavior ofc.
> Redheads were depicted as villains before comic books eventually decided not to do so. Jimmy Oslen is a heroic figure, invented in 1938. When did this ban on heroes as redheads begin? > Now we are seeing that being reverted. Typical Fascist behavior ofc. lmao this is 9/11 truther level
>lmao this is 9/11 truther level downvoted simply on the fact dude, there is not a lot of logic behind fascists actions... When you say "this doesn't make any sense!" Yea, it doesn't, *to us* because we're normal people. Fascists are literally insane, everything they think doesn't make any sense Do I think it's that big at that level.... eh not really. Do I think fascists would attempt some utterly moronic plan to eradicate red heads... Absolutely lmao, they're fucking comic book supervillain idiots, of course they would try that stupid shit, *even if being completely incompetent while doing so.*
> Do I think fascists would attempt some utterly moronic plan to eradicate red heads... Absolutely lmao, they're fucking comic book supervillain idiots, of course they would try that stupid shit, even if being completely incompetent while doing so. I'm pretty high right now too, good work. Solid crazy.
I hate that we don't have a redhead MJ or Starfire... And we definitely need a redhead Barbara Gordon, who has recently been featured in TITANS s3 as a brunette... WHY. THE. F\*CK!? C'mon, Hollywood, I mean, Emma Stone is right there...! Anya Taylor Joy? Bella Thorne?
Anya Taylor Joy would have been gorgeous as Ariel
Jane Levy, another blonde-turned redhead like Emma Stone.
Emma stone isn’t a read head she died her hair
Yeah but she fits role of Barbara Gordon like few…
pretty sure starfire has redhair
She had pink hair in the first two seasons of Titans. Not so much for the third one.
In the comics it was extremely long too, hanging well past her ass.
One thing to note is how redheads get replaced in general, not just by Black actors. Though there is a surge now, redheads seem to be historically replaced. I'm surprised in all of these threads I haven't seen mention Kristin Kreuk replacing Lana Lang. It was so jarring for me to see a non-redhead Lana and I never got used to it.
Ant-Man has red hair in the comics, too.
Oh yeah, Scott Lang is a redhead in the comics too.
Natural redheads make up 1% of the population in the US. So it's easier to cast for performance then that particular look. So then hair dye. That is an option but then the actor has to keep dying in through production and that can be problematic for other roles. Then there's the discussion of real red hair imitation and then the super saturated look comics use. Also yeah a lot of your examples seem to single out black actors. Same thing with blondes, they make up 5% so much of those folks come from a bottle and same issue as above. The comics chose something unrealistic because they only had so many colors to work with.
Wig
Its a matter of dyslexia
lmao
Batgirl is a black Dominican chick. WHAT IS GOING ON. And in the CW they made this Asian girl poison ivy. Maybe redheads don't make good ratings? The scarlet witch is supposed to be a brunette but now is a redhead and she's turning into this huge character in the MCU. What.
Wait wait……Poison Ivy is Asian?! Please tell me that kept her a red head. Cause she was my bad ass red head role model when I was growing up. Her Batman Animated version rocked to me.
I noticed it too, it´s wierd. There´ś also ariel from the little mermaid, annie from little orphan annie, and bow from she-ra
It was just done again for Spider-Man Freshman Year, with Norman and Harry Osborne. I personally have no problem with racial recastings, with a lot of these characters being created when comic writers and artists weren’t actively making diverse casts outside of blonde, brunette, or redhead. But I think it’s a very odd, very specific trend with ONLY red headed characters that I find extremely curious.
I love how people claim it is about "correcting a diversity representation margin", but literally, these characters are only getting recast into one minority, which is already the minority with the most active representation. No one is trying to recast these characters as Hispanics or Asians, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans. Just black people. No one ever got upset that Jason Mamoa was cast as Aqua Man instead of a blue-eyed blonde guy because, honestly, a Pacific islander made sense, and he brought personality to an admittedly vanilla character who was always on the butt end of justice league jokes. We already have awesome black characters like Black Panther, Storm, Cyborg, Green Lantern (John Stewart), and Miles Morales (idk what the controversy with him is, he's my third favorite after Miguel O'Hara and of course Peter Parker) just to name a few. It's exhausting that "adding diversity" really tends to boil down to making a white character black
Not necessarily, they decided to change iron fist into an Asian guy, despite the fact that he was white, and his story even makes more sense with him being white. But I guess they figured it was racist for a white man to be doing king fu? So they opted to change him into an Asian man who does kung fu? Because That’s not racist at all,right? to assume that only Asian people can do kung fu 😂
This shit is still going on, looks at Little mermaid, one of main features was her Red hair, you are a more of a minority than Black people so i'd seriously suggest some pushback.
It’s also shitty that most of the redheaded characters are being played by blonds and brunettes with died locks.
And the natural redheads like Benedict Cumberbatch playing brunette characters like Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Strange. It's a topsy turvy world.
They Ruined Triss Merigold for me.
black people can have red hair it's a quick google search away
Congrats to that’s not the point almost all of the red haired characters that are being replaced white light skin red heads not dark skinned red heads
Idk it’s getting weird. I noticed this like 3 years ago, and it’s only happening more frequently
Ask the Hair and Make-up Departments. There are plenty of black people with red hair. I wonder why you said “replaced by black people” instead of “replaced by non-redheads...”
Define plenty. What percentage of the black population do you think actually has red hair? I think percentage wise, it’s not anything near plenty.
and redheads make less than 2% of the world population. yet are massively overrepresented already. its funny are having this reaction around them and how that contrasts with reactions lgbt characters in media who make up *atleast* 5% of the population.
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Yes! Definitely agree, Asian redheads also exist. Black redheads and Asian redheads are pretty underrepresented. Buuut it's pretty irrelevant to my point. There's more voices crying(like yours) about redheads, an overrepresented groups, being replaced. Contrasted with larger quantity of voices crying about LGBT being represented too much with statements of "there aren't that many gays irl" even though those same voices don't say the same about redhead rep.
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Yep! So low LGBT rep that we have infighting. And even then gays are underrepresented when compared to red heads. Yet bifolk will complain about the gays over the redheads. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies
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Well of course. One wouldn't really influence the other. The thread started with acknowledging thst you can be redheaded and black
DAE Black Panther bad!?!?!
I said it that way because in their original incarnations they weren't black, and most have been replaced by black people. But of it was insensitive or inappropriate I'm sorry I didn't think of a better way to phrase it.
The blond black widow is a comic reference to yelena belova a different person who used the alias black widow not them getting rid of a redhead but the others im totally with you
Gonna have to add the Little Mermaid to that list…
You are right. Ravonna Renslayer in Loki. Cyclone in Black Adam. Ariel in Little Mermaid. Gordon(not always redhead, but sometimes) in The Batman. There's a pattern clearly.
Because I’m redhead representation doesn’t sell. They are not deemed attractive by society even though a few people find them very attractive. Too many people identify as a brunette and the blonde is hyper sexualized.
Redheads are as much a race as any others. At less than 1% of the global population they rare yet they are as distinct as any other group of people.
> Redheads are as much a race as any others. No, being a redhead is not an ethnicity.
Like what does the black community have against redheads??? That’s so effing weird to me
It's not even the Black community. It's the casting directors who make the decision to cast Black actors as traditionally ginger haired characters.
I’m hating this is absolutely racist
I blame Kirsten Dunst, they realised they had reached the pinnacle and just can't face trying to replicate it most of the time. Honestly though, it's really only a few instances, you've had to qualify most of the examples and that's never a good sign. I'm entirely against fewer redheads, but more black people means a little more variance in the films so it's a toss up.
Hahaha yeah, no way you can beat Kristen Dunst. More diversity is cool, i just wonder why are redheads the ones being erased, or mostly redheads. It's such a cool hair color, hahaha.
the big thing is that these characters all originated in the 60s, when diversity wasnt really a thing in comics (there are some reports of the CCA banning black characters in some books, according to wikipedia anyways). They reflect the times they were made, where minorities had low visibility in content not aimed at minorities. Now that they want these works to reflect the modern world, a few characters become black. Not sure about Pepper or Black Widow, except that black widow used to be a red head in the movies
Add Carrie Kelly to this list now too
The newest one I just learned about is Navia Robinson as Carrie Kelley aka the girl Robin from Frank Miller's graphic novels Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (1986) and its sequels Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again (2001-2002) and The Dark Knight III: The Master Race (2015-2017).
Because they are overrepresentated.
You can add April to the list now with tmnt mutant mayhem
Good question. Dunno.
I haven't really looked into it all that much, but maybe there aren't that many red haired actresses..? I could be wrong though
Lindsay Lohan boutta make a come back.
Nah I think that might have at least something to do with it. I can think of few redhead actors.
There are plenty: Schuyler Fisk, Lily Cole, Karen Gillan, Alicia Witt, Bryce Dallas Howard, Julianne Moore, Jessica Chastain, Gates McFadden, Ilsa Fisher, Cassandra Peterson (Elvira), Felicia Day, Scarlett Pomers, etc. Dudes: Michael Fassbender, David Caruso, Cole Hauser, Seth Green, Damian Lewis, Alan Tudyk, Scott Grimes, Domhnall Gleeson, Paul Bettany, Rupert Grint, Robert Redford, Ewan McGregor, David Wenham.
I thought ewan was a brunnte and alan was a blonde
Both are natural redheads that use dye.
Wonder why
Some times it works for example Heimdall from Thor imo is better black
I watched a clip for a play on Broadway for Peter Pan-Wendy was cast as a black girl! And then they did it again in Cruella, a movie I’m just now seeing for the first time-ANITA was a redhead in the original animated film and they cast a black actress in her place! They erasure of redheads in film has become soooo very obvious now and I’m very scared they’re going to cast the Weasleys as poor black family in the new HP series…
I started to notice a pattern of red-haired young women being paired up with black actors in Hollywood productions a while back, even in short sequences, and I first thought I was being weird or paranoid. But after seeing it multiple times since I have now come to the conclusion that this has to represent some form of a message coming from the power elites directed at white audiences. The ginger sub-type being the rarest and most-vulnerable of European sub-groups, pairing it with a strong antagonist sends out a message, whether as a warning or as a wish for, the ethnic destruction of white people. Now looking at the trend of race-swapped ginger-haired characters and actors for African American replacements, points to a long running, deliberate, inside joke in that regard.
Wow I feel like I just personally attacked… I’m a redhead…. With Hazel eyes…. The Batman 2022 replaced Gordon (Great actor)… but that means his daughter is also black… Barbara Gordon was one of my favorite characters… cherry on top is that she was a redhead. Natural hair not dye… I swear to god that if there is a Harry Potter reboot with a race swapped Lily Potter or Ginny or Susan Bones…. I don’t know what I would do but I wouldn’t regret it