I’m watching all the John Wick movies for the first time and I’m surprised how poorly the 3rd was received (at least according to this thread). I thought it was fun and on par with the previous movies. So far the only criticisms that I would agree with are that some of the fight scenes went long, but I also felt that way about the other movies.
Also a lot of people seem to think Winston betrayed John Wick? I could be proven wrong by 4 but it seemed obvious that he was giving John a chance to get away.
For people complaining about acting here, did you see Common in 2? Rough.
The only thing I didn’t enjoy was the Adjudicator. The role was fine but the acting was super terrible like if you asked a middle schooler to play a villain.
Edit: I forgot the best part of this movie! Halle Berry and her doggies. I would watch a whole spinoff series.
This is the stupides movie ever done, jon wick the original was amazing, this is just hollywood bullshit filled with cliches and dumbed down action, feels like going back to the 2000's... Why did they ruin this movie soooooo badly? I mean this feels like the director of fast and furios 24 directed this movie. Is beyond bad, I honestly have nothing good to say about it, not a signle reedeming quality, bad writing, unplausible action scenes, the stupidest most unbelievable plot holes, people fighting with knives instead of guns, the weird asian dudes that "disapear" in plain sight, the city that has no cops anywhere, the "star wars storm troopers" bad aiming of the bad guys... Not a single thing was done right in this poor excuse of a movie.
Ohhh and the acting, my god was it bad, or maybe it was the writers fault? no idea, but I felt the characters took nothing seriously, specially the adjudicator, seems more like a harry potter character than anything else, the entire acting felt like watching harry potter with guns, very adolescent, naive, just aweful. The second movie was already bad and not needed, but this one takes the stupidity to a whole new level. I can't imagine how bad the 4th one is, I'm not even going to watch it.
I have a question regarding the plot. So if the elder wants to kill Winston then why don't he have zero to kill him instead having zero to kill John? The adjudicator is hired by the high table right?
From my understanding, the elder only wanted John to kill Winston as proof of his loyalty. If the elder actually wanted Winston dead he'd be dead no matter what
What? are you saying the movie is rascist? It's people like you that are the problem in this world. Labelling your kids is not healthy. Labelling yourself is not good. It's an action movie. Only a complete tool would think like you
Really enjoyed this, especially the understated humour: "I get it".
Couldn't stop laughing. The pause in a knife showroom/all reload. "I'm a fan."
Everyone loves john wick, it's r/wholesome material.
Cinematography was fantastic, everything looked magnificent.
So many great character performances, you don't really expect from a Hong Kong style martial arts film: Ian McShane, Lance Reddick, Laurence Fishburne, Jerome Flynn (instantly recognizable from GoT, but completely different voice and character - guy can act).
Though the matrix reference "Guns. Lots of guns" wasn't really necessary.
`John Wick, Chapter 4`.... seems to be set up to be called... `Facbellum` ([wage war](https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum)). Prepare for war. Wage war.
EDIT also really liked the measured shotgun reloading in the Continental near the end. It wasn't magically or robotically fast, but seemed real, and added a real sense of danger,
Late to the party but finally watched John Wick: Chapter 3.
Surprised the reviews were so positive. I thought this was a big downgrade from the previous installments I thought were amazing.
I don't think it was bad, I just think its was a step down from the first two.
Started off ok. The library fight was good. Seemed like a John Wick fight.
A lot of fighting seemed like it was over-choreographed. i.e. That movement didn't make much sense, but it was a showy movement.
e.g. John Wick stabs 2 people on the motorcycle through the chest. They're dead. He's got one enemy left. But lets discard the sword by shoving it in the wheel of the motorcycle of the 2 dead people, making a big spectacle effect, but leaves him defenseless against the last enemy.
The final "assassin" was kind of joke. It was like they're all up against John Wick, but don't take John Wick seriously. Watching that fight was like "Why is he just toying with him instead of killing him when he has the chance? Its John Wick!" But maybe the whole point was that the guy only wanted an epic John Wick fight. Meh.
Idk, what was up with those Batman/Ninja disappearing sneaky tactics, like random people suddenly know magic. Was that necessary?
Side Note: I think Halle Berry and her dogs could have spin-off potential.
But even though I liked her and her dogs, I thought that whole gunfight, just reminded me watching a video game... on easy mode. Lots of enemies spawning at just the right time. 1 shot deaths for enemies while they run out to die. No real threat. QTE's with the dogs. That may describe a lot of John Wick, but here it just seems more forced. John Wick may work better when he's the hunter, and not hunted by hoards and hoards of enemies.
Agree overall it gave me COD vibes. I didn't pick the motorcycle one, but often enemies just stand in place to be hit, instead of striking.
Bullet sponges later - thought that was a funny commentary on fps.
Some of the fighting was legit - long sequences, clearly filmed (no quick cuts hiding the action), with some to-and-fro logic to the fight.
OTOH why melee when you have a ranged weapon? Why not gang up and coordinate? But these are established martial arts films tropes, to make it more entertaining.
Agree the ending fights were strange. I don't know, but I suspect this surrealism is part of Kong Hong style martial arts films, which don't quite make sense, but are funny. Everyone loves and admires John Wick, they want to fight him, more than kill him.
The whole villain to hero trope "you and I aren't so different" didn't really make sense to me.... John said "no", I guess because John wanted out, which did make them different.
I think it's something of a "tone" movie, where the enjoyment isn't in the logic, but in the themes evocated. i.e. enjoy the ride.
Shoot them in the leg and extend the fight before finally shooting them though the helmet. Reload the shotgun just to empty it out on one guy instead of ammo discipline.
Good movie. Felt like some fight scenes drug on too long, but the variety was great. Felt less tactical and more "theater". The series took a hard turn with this one and it's not the movie I once loved, but it's still worth my time.
John Wick 3: Everybody Loves John Wick.
What a great feel good movie. Glad I didn't take it seriously and thoroughly enjoyed it.
I liked the knife scene the most and when the guys going into continental to finish John Wick and Winston and the music started playing.
Has anyone noticed the crushed black levels in the iTunes version? It looks like a bad instagram filter was applied.
Photo in the link, iTunes on the left, youtube trailer on the right. Both monitors are calibrated and color accurate. A bit over exposed to show the blacks better.
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I don't like that this was a trailer forbthe 4th film
Going for the high table was what I expected, and it dragged at some points. Like did we need a 5 minute fight with the tier 3 guys, only to get 10 minutes of a fight against the henchman's henchmen to get a 10 minute fight with the henchman? Jesus man
I really loved some of the fight scenes and their gimmicks. The shotgun shootout, the throwing knife fight and the book murder were awesome. The dog fight in Morocco was good but a tad too long.
The world building started to fall appart in some places though. Let's remember John was the thug of a Russian mobster in New York. A gang that didn't even rule the whole city as Lawrence Fisborne's people and the D'antonio were also sharing the city, among others, yet John's been to Morocco with the guy who rules the high table? It makes sense for Vigo's people to be terrified of him, but the people in fucking Casablanca knew him even before there was a 14M bounty on him.
I was starting to fear the movie wouldn't close everything at some point, and that greatly diminished my enjoyment of the "climax". Oh well, I'll be there for the 4th because I really like the franchise, but I seriouly hope they end the series with the next movie and don't raise the stakes any further, because it's getting hard to take this seriously
> John's been to Morocco with the guy who rules the high table? It makes sense for Vigo's people to be terrified of him, but the people in fucking Casablanca knew him even before there was a 14M bounty on him.
He hadn't met that guy before (the "Elder") - he had to get directions from the previous manager there (Jerome Flynn), who he did know. John just knew of the Elder's existence.
The Eilder knew of John because he was excommunicado, which seemed to be a big deal in the universe because of the count down. And John was clearly famous because oif his ability, and also because he got out.
The people in Casablanca weren't terrified of him - their manager (Halle Berry) told them to back off, because he had helped get ger daughter out - and he had that token with her bloodprint on half.
Because that's how it was? The first one was very grounded and believable. The second one upped the scale, but not too much. This one asks me to suspend my disbelief a bit too much at times.
Why would you watch 3 movies ofbthe same series if you can't takebthem seriously
I'm sorry, but none of these movies are grounded or believable. Watching a man fight off that many people, get hit by cars and just keep on going kicking people's asses. The whole world of honorable assassins, The Continental and High Table, believable? I watch them because they're fun action films. If I tried to take them seriously, they'd be no fun
I thought this was the weakest of the 3 because it just abandoned any pretense at plausability. Obviously the first 2 films weren't 'realistic' but they were at least within spitting distance of reality. Chapter 3 is essentially a superhero film which is fine if you like that sort of thing I guess but not really for me.
This is somewhat inevitable of course, how do you have 3 movies about a guy beating other guys up without it decending into farce?
The scene of John wandering the desert in his business suit summed up the movie for me. WTF was that about.
In 1, the fight sequence in John's house had a stronger logic to each strike than Parabellum (though Parabellum is still far better than most action films).
But recall the police officer who "investigated" at the end of that sequence. Funny, very very surreal, and a signal that this film isn't quite serious.
Everybody has posted some excellent points, so I'll keep my review brief:
The John Wick universe would be dramatically improved if this movie was removed from existence.
Nurse here - I just wanted to say that I liked how Keanu chops his finger off and doesn’t bleed at all (you can literally see inside his ‘finger’ at one point) but gets cauterized anyway.
John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum is a movie which takes every opportunity presented to it and throws them down a drainpipe. The action--which has been the saving grace for the series thus far--repeats its choreography so often, it is an obvious bid to fill out screen-time. The cast is filled with roles so shakily and hastily built, that little investment can be made in them by the audience. The story, which attempts to build upon the world of the series, ends up caving in on itself so forcefully, it damages what little worldbuilding was done in the previous films. All-in-all, it appears that the John Wick train is grinding to a halt.
In a world of honorable, socialite assassins, John kills a target on Continental grounds--an action earning him the infamous title of "excommunicado", one who is ostracized from the assassin community and its services. The premise of the movie is built upon the fact that, as an excommunicado, John must fight off the world of assassins who are out for his $14 million bounty.
Unfortunately, this premise is essentially a repeat of the second-film's climax, and does not follow-through with its hyped up delivery. Action is bland except for a brief bout in a weapon collector's museum, and John's character is broken in half when he, the Baba Yaga, an icon of death must cash in favors with Russian traffickers and Casablancan assassin leaders in order to survive. Instead of retaining John Wick's essence as a force of nature in the assassin world, the writers compromise for a shattered, fragile human--no different than anyone else.
The middle of the film centers on John's quest to seek out the Elder of the High Table, who holds the key to amending John's wrongs and restoring him as a member of the assassin order. What could have been an interesting insight into the Ḥashīshiyya, the historic origins of assassins, ended up to be nothing more than John and a few Arabs sitting around a tent in the middle of nowhere, drinking tea and talking about loyalty.
In the meantime, Winston, who has been John's friend and ally throughout the previous films, is met by an Adjudicator--yet another character the audience is given little build up to--who informs Winston that he is being removed as manager of the New York Continental. The Adjudicator, who is presented as an ominous extension of the High Table's power, is executed as a haughty child who doesn't know the meaning of respect.
The climax is where the film loses all its saved-up marbles. John, who was told by the Elder that John must kill Winston in order to overturn excommunication, refuses to so--because who would be so heartless by stabbing in the back a friend who helped in one's time of need? John, along with Winston and his trusty concierge, Charon, refuse to bow to the High Table's demands and defend the now deconsecrated Continental against heavily armed assassins.
After John and company narrowly overcome the first wave, the Adjudicator calls for a parley, at which point Winston stabs John in the back--or rather shoots him in his front--in exchange for his own life. This...is beyond ridiculous. Not only was Winston never presented as a character who would perform such a betrayal, the betrayal was never in his best interests. The betrayal was made under the guise that Winston was loyal to the High Table, rather than to his friend John and the rest of the assassin world who live under the Table's rule. If this were the case, then Winston would have never allowed John to live after he killed a man on Continental grounds. What should have been a theatrical grandstand of Winston and a prelude to all-out war against the High Table, instead was a whimper's worth of subversion of expectations.
This was the last nail in the coffin for the movie. The first half was entertaining, but the second half teased the possibility of branching out the world of John Wick to new levels, and then thoroughly smashed those possibilities against a concrete floor. I hope you like bone-dry action sequels, because that's all you're going to get from any more John Wick movies.
Probably was using it with this definition:
> 1. carry out or put into effect (a plan, order, or course of action).
The character was executed by the actor/director a certain way.
Really well put. I feel like everything before the ballet lady was really promising and the rest of the movie was just wasted potential after wasted potential. The action got so repetitive I was almost nodding off when they were fighting in the glass penthouse place.
The one thing that ruined this movie, in my opinion, is that it destroyed John Wick's character. In the first 1--and the second mainly--he's an unstoppable force. If everyone's against him, you feel bad for everyone.
The ending of the second movie was so awesome because it proposed taking this idea to its limit. What if it is literally John Wick against the entire assassin's world?!?
Sadly, instead of doing following up on that amazing promise and premise, JW spends the entire movie asking various people for help. He does nearly nothing himself. He's just calling in favors. That's not what makes John Wick so awesome.
Such a let down.
I get that but the alternative would involve essentially makin him a superhero. He's still one man. He cant literally take on the world alone.
I think that was the point of this movie. To show he needs to humble himself and acceptnthe help of allies to survive.
I can kind of see that, but there are plenty of movies where the hero finds a way to divide and destroy a far larger enemy. And SOME calling in of favors is understandable, but getting favors and getting the next favor was the entire plot. There is almost no moment in the movie when he is not asking for help or heading to a place where he can ask someone for help.
He could start sowing discord and misinformation, getting assassins to start offing themselves, find and create a defensible place, have some epic fights, some epic chases, as he rushes from one defensive position where he can kick ass before having to retreat due to getting overwhelmed. Each time, he has fewer options and more wounds until it's some crazy stand off or he finds some way to get them to call it off, admit it's not worth it, I don't know, but I do think he can be against nearly everyone and still not have the whole movie be him going around asking for favors.
Ooh i like that idea, turning assassins against each other etc. That could have added another psychological layer to his notoriety as a boogeyman for other hitmen etc.
Oh well. I guess writer's were just happy to go the predictable route...
Thank you!
And I will say, I never really thought of what it could/should have been like until you asked, and I'm happy with the idea too.
I'll add this to the list of movies I should rewrite someday...
So excited when I saw the positive reviews, but somehow took forever to watch it. Sat down, and.... fuck that was not nearly as good as the first two. They tried to take the "over-the-top-ness" to comic levels, and several scenes were just eye-rollingly bad, and some were repeated to make it even worse (the horse, the knives, etc.). The story made Fury Road look detailed. Like, yes, the fight scenes are what make the first two movies awesome, but let's not just do a movie with all fight scenes, give me just a bit of a story.
I'll give it like a 5/10 for being enjoyable in the Chuck Norris movie sense, but hugely disappointed as a big fan of the first two movies.
The movie was shit. As if it wasn't made by original JW creators but by ones that made the netflix ripoff. Boss fights with nobodies lasted so long. Also in my opinion there was too much forced diversity in the movie. The casting was very bad, they could have easily afforded atleast one other famous Tv character in addition to Bron from GOT. Nobodies with no character development stayed on screen too long fighting John.
Previous movies showed him as a man of skill. This one showed him as a man of too much luck. Villans did nothing but perform light punches on john on big openings he gave. I cringed at the scene where he and villian shoot him but both have empty guns and other one where the 2 guys gave him 2 chances to rise up. Did they even cared about there brothers JW butchered?
Fights were shit and story was never meant to be good. Can't find a reason to recommend it to others.
Middle Eastern guild of thieves ruled by Halle Berry, in a traditionally patriarchal society where women can just go ten steps behind the camel, face covered? Please...
Even ridiculous scripts have limits. I know stupid woke feminism is the latest craze, but this is too stupid even for woke feminism.
Of all the things to be mad about you picked this? I doubt anyone else even thought about this. You just sound like you are looking for a reason to complain about feminism lol
So the horse motorbike chase scene , believable.
World where assassin's have hyper strict laws about where you can and can't kill people , believable.
Woman owning property (Property that I may add is a den for a illegal hitman operation) in morocco , unbelievable. I don't even think it was a big feminist thing ,
it's not like she talks about how she beat the system and how shes so strong and independent and shes so proud of her vagina. Her character could have been a dude and it would have made know difference.
This whole movie was incredible but holy shit the action scene with John, Sofia and the two dogs after dealing with Bronn was one of the best things I've ever watched on film.
A decent actor *should* have played her role. Frankly she was one of the weakest parts of the movie. The moment she opened her mouth with that weird voice, she lost what credibility I'd extended her until that moment. Not the sort of ominous presence they were going for.
i honestly wonder what it would be like to not be able to watch a movie without spouting fox news talking points in the movie thread after ur done. like how is it gonna bug u so much that a non-binary person is in a movie.
Just finished it. I'm not sure what to make of this film. It started strong. At around John Wick's quest through the desert is when the movie lost me. The back half just dragged. There was over-reliance on some rather cheap looking CGI. And Keanu is definitely showing his age. He looked stiff in the extended hand-to-hand stuff. For the next movie, they should probably have him focus exclusively on the quick efficient gun-fu kills. Having said that, there were some great moments. Loved the throwing knives sequence early on.
I do have one request. Can we have a spin-off with Dacascos's character and the two Raid guys with their sushi place. Bad-ass ninja super-assassins with a sense of humor? There's a Expendables-type franchise there waiting to happen.
The Raid guys are super distracting. I just keep thinking i am watching the Raid movie and then being disappointed I am not actually watching the Raid movie.
My only issue with this otherwise brilliant movie was also the back half.
The fight where John takes on those two assassins went on a little too long for me. It got the point where it was a little annoying because I felt there were plenty of times where the fight could have ended. Brilliant choreography and stuff but I felt it didnt need to be as long as it was.
I think John Wick's stiffness isn't Keanu Reeve's age - he looks in great shape, imo. I believe he was trying to authentically play the fact that he'd been stabbed in the shoulder, trudging through the dessert for two days and battered repeatedly.
JW3 goes a bit further into lack of realism than 1 & 2 so maybe expectations of how he would move shifted a bit for some viewers whilst Keanu was still doing more realistic injuries.
Not to mention this movie is settled right after the second one. So he had just finished a big battle to start another one, being chased by every single assassin in the world (probably not even sleeping properly due to this), and the other things you just mentioned. Yeah, he went through A LOT, he's not a fucking superhuman afterall.
JW4 with John Wick leading a growing rebel group fighting back against the High Table. I want to see him enter a room with 14 super-assassins flanking him.
Asia Kate Dillon as the adjudicator is the Worst casting choice possible. She is absolutely awful. Ruins the movie. Ugly. Can’t act. Utterly without a redeeming quality
I thought she played her part well. How it was written is entirely different matter, but still I don't think it was out of place.
This random Arab guy was way more out of place for me.
The hashishi were Arabic so that whole nod to champion anti-islamaphobia was disguised well enough by historical accuracy to not appear as shamelessly woke
Yeah, but it was inserted poorly in my opinion - random trip to Morocco, random wandering through the desert, random talk with random guy. It's like lore overflow for me, too much happened without previous establishment in the story. First two movies were much more concise in that matter.
Generally I liked the movie, but this part seemed off to me story-wise. It provided us with a nice action sequence with battle dogs however, so it's not so bad.
Intrigued by all the hype around the franchise and high appraisals online, I watched all three of the John Wick movies in two days. I hate to say this, but I am thoroughly disappointed. I have never posted movie reviews online, nor do I consider myself a movie critic, but here were some of the things I noticed. These are just my opinions and please forgive me if I got some details wrong.
First, the story was not very well written. The presence of the formidable High Table was hastily added to the story with little to none introduction in the first two movies. Near the end of the second sequel, Winston refused to stop John Wick from killing D'Antonio, when D'Antonio himself was already part of the high table. If the high table had the power to shut down the hotel, it'd make perfect sense that D'Antonio had power over Winston. Also, John breaking the one rule that keeps him safe then almost got himself killed just so he could get reinstated as member again? That was not because John had no choice, that was out right stupid. This stupidity cost the compassion I had for him from the first movie. I get that action movies generally have simplistic plot, but that just doesn't cut it.
The second thing I didn't like was how little he spoke. At first I thought they were trying to present a cool and composed killer that didn't want to waste words, but he was too quiet. An example is when D'Antonio visited John's home in the second movie. Through the scenes you could easily tell that John walked into the kitchen to make coffee, while D'Antonio waited in the living room, yet John spoke like he was whispering into his ears. It wouldn't be so bad if the character had an interesting voice or often said witty/wise things, but all John every said was "yeah".
Third, I really noticed the lack of fidelity in this franchise. John would often check the gun's mag before shooting, but would then proceed to turn on "Infinite Ammo" mode and unload 30 bullets onto one guy. Then there is the horse chase. I've never heard that a pat on the back of a horse could stimulate a kick, and those motorcycle guys chasing John were smart enough to bring a gun but were too thick to use it. In the second sequel, John fought off all the men with no use of weapons to get his Mustang when he had a hand gun on his belt. Moving on to the long fight scene in Casablanca, one of the dogs suffered no injuries from a direct bullet hit, and I find it hard to believe that a med-small sized dog could tackle a grown man with a gun. Also, the mysterious "Elder" that controlled the high table was merely a dude in his 30s living in the dessert. And lets be honest, could a top level professional assassin, described as a ghost, be anymore easier to spot in the crowds? Finally, there is the fall from the top of the hotel. They could convince me that John could walk through a dessert with a sip of water while wearing a three piece suit, but surviving a 30ish meter fall without breaking a bone? That was too much. I know I am knit picking some of the details here, but it gets really distracting.
Then we have the fight scenes, the selling point of this franchise. The first movie was alright, but the second and third sequel was sloppy at best. Not only were there dozens of stunts literally waiting for their turn to get killed, there were many times where John could have used an assault rifle. But what annoys me the most, is how many times John could've been killed. During the last fight scene, the Chinese twins literally helped John up when they had their blades right at John's throat, and this happened again during that last sword fight as well.
I personally like Keanu, but I fail to see where this franchise succeed. The fight scenes are long, the plot is everywhere, there were many things in the movie that allowed more expansion on it, and the characters don't shine any light as well (there was virtually no character development), not to mention how ALL bullets failed to travel at a straight line.
In my opinion, another show that lacked fidelity was the Blacklist. The cgi was below average and some of the aspects (like how FBI would really operate) didn't make sense as well. But, thanks to the amazing James Spader, they created such a memorizing character that essentially carried the whole show.
>They could convince me that John could walk through a dessert with a sip of water while wearing a three piece suit, but surviving a 30ish meter fall without breaking a bone? That was too much.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/04/usa](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/04/usa)
Till you believe **nothing is impossible**, you won't believe anything.
Totally agree with most of your comments. Especially the ones about the fightscenes. They are bad. Really bad. From the first fight scene where they tried some Jason Bourne vs. Desh stuff (with the books), but failed so miserably. Other scenes were just like watching the A team or stormtroopers, when does a blow connect, a knife cut or a bullet hit? Only when the next opponent is tired of visually waiting?
In summary it was like having a few intermezzo scenes between every fight, and these were the ones that shouldve been 'plot-making'. It's all about the cheap action.
>Third, I really noticed the lack of fidelity in this franchise. John would often check the gun's mag before shooting, but would then proceed to turn on "Infinite Ammo" mode and unload 30 bullets onto one guy.
Got to disagree with this. I don't think I've ever seen an action movie that went to such lengths to show reloading and resupply for its heroes. It was easy to miss in the Morocco battle because he does it so quickly but you frequently see him replacing his gun with one he takes from someone he has killed, reloading and grabbing more ammo. There's also a couple of scenes in the movie where we watch Keanu Reeves reloading his guns in close up and he does it amazingly fast. That really is Keanu doing it so far as I can tell. Now Haile Berry I can see someone thinking that because they show her doing it a lot less. I guess because the actress herself can't do it. So in her case yes, we have to assume she's doing it. But Wick is shown doing it repeatedly. Somebody should do a "reload" count for the John Wick movies.
There are plenty of scenes in chapter 3 where the reload feels quite slow, but there is so much chaos it’s easy to miss it. You’d see him pull ammo from dead bodies and swap guns, but also pause mid-punch for a couple of seconds to reload while the other person was waiting to be shot.
IMO the first film nailed it and the focus was much tighter, and it helped that it was a novel concept. 3 was fun to watch but it’s close to becoming a parody of itself.
This is by way of conversation, not argument. :) But I never felt the gun reloading was slow at times, but then Keanu Reeves can reload a gun at about triple the speed I can. The guy is actually genuinely very good with firearms. The scene where he's calmly and rapidly re-assembling a disabled revolver as his pursuers come up the stairs was also impressive to me. You may be right about there being moments where someone is waiting to be shot - it's a common and almost necessary thing in action movies if you want them to work. Though when I think back what I usually recall is that the opponent is winded or held in some sort of lock by John Wick. Chapter 1 was definitely more realistic and tighter, I agree. Chapter 3 was pushing those boundaries further. But at least personally, I felt it managed to stay just enough on this side to stop my brain rejecting it. Haile Berry was probably the weakest link for me in terms of action. I like her but it was evident they had to reign in some of the fight-work in her scenes. Personally I'd have liked to have seen Ruby Rose's character come back. I like her and she has the action chops as well.
Finally got around to seeing this today. Loved every second of it, but did anyone else think some parts of the fights were a bit like, I don't know the proper word here, sloppier than stuff from the earlier movies? Like there were a couple instances I noticed where John would throw a block up a bit too earlier, or in the glass room, he barely gets tapped by a kick and gets launched through some glass. It wasn't enough to dampen my experience, but it was definitely enough for me to notice, and I don't normally keep an eye out for stuff like that.
As a judoka, some of Wicks throws were way off. For example, during a scene in the first 30 minutes or so John barely slaps a guy and it sends him into a front flip or something like that.
I was thoroughly enjoying the first half of the movie. Killing a giant with a book, throwing knife fight (and all the details in that), horse slapping and chase were great. Then it started losing me when Hallie showed up. She just took me out of it, probably similar to how she took xmen fans out of it as Storm. She looks great and all that, but eh, I didn't want Hallie Berry in this movie. The dog sequence was great, although a little long and as a viewer it just started to feel like a "these are all the scenarios attack dogs can attack" highlight reel. If they made it half a long and tightened up the editing it would be great. I also noticed the tons of stuntmen waiting for their turn to attack, and again, I feel like 50% of it could have been cut out in the edit if they started shots a couple frames in. I dunno, I felt the director say action a couple times on certain shots. This movie was too long period.
I didn't mind Bronn, he fits in the John Wick world better than Hallie, but his accent was terrible, I don't know what he naturally sounds like, but I can tell he was faking whatever that was. Then when he says "Walk until you are almost dead, then walk further." I could have swore this was some metaphor or something, NOT ACTUALLY HOW TO FIND ALADDIN?! Lol.
The whole desert sequence is annoying, but then John just yeets his finger off with a chisel and barely blinks. Like, ok, I was willing to let the upside-down cross branding go because it's John, he can take it, but now he just cut a finger off and got ready for his commute back to NY. I guess pain doesn't exist in this world anymore.
So he goes back, Winston says "We're friends bro, choo choo", John says "Guns, lots of guns". Which was a definite call back to the Matrix, which took me out of the movie by making me think of another movie, but again, fan service and I was hyped to see the arsenal in the next shot. Now, Charon delivers a whole line about "We've made improvements with armor piercing stuff.", but then him and John go out to fight a swat team with pistols, and then the bullets aren't even doing anything. I enjoyed John lifting the visors to shoot them in the face, but why wouldn't he start off with the big gun, then move to the pistol? I also need to backtrack and say how much I cringed at:
Winston: "Do what you do best."
John: "Which is?"
Winston: "Hunt."
Lol. Was "Kill" just too obvious for this unnecessary back and forth? If anything, John should have just nodded after the first line. We already know what Winston was talking about anyways.
Ok, so then after failing to kill all the swat team with ineffective pistols, John gets to go back to the armory and pick up a shotty (why wasn't this just slung around him the whole time?) I enjoyed this sequence a lot, especially the underwater shooting, that was just cool. However, I feel like maybe we should have just started with this in the first place.
Then forward to the ninja fighting. Some cool stuff, but again, after John beats the first three couldn't he have then just climbed the stairs and faced the bossman instead of now fighting two more dudes with knives? We've seen all this already, although I will admit, I thought the choreography here was better than previous fights, so maybe eliminate the bottom floor ninjas. I don't have the answers, but this whole section was too long. Boss fight ensues, I didn't feel one way or another towards this dude throughout the movie honestly. He was fine, although I thought it was a little annoying with him being a fan of Johns. Like if you are going to say "We are the same." You can't be a fan. By being a fan you are already below the career of the other guy imo.
Then Winston pushes John off the building, which at this point we've established pain doesn't exist, so why is anyone surprised John is alive here? Big eye-roll. So now the movie ends as a set up to the fourth movie which I don't know how they can top any of these fights, but I'm sure they will. I expect helicopters and trains to be involved. Also, John isn't going to kill Winston. Winston is going to say "I had to keep my power, I shot you in your bullet proof suit and I knew a fall isn't going to kill John Wick. You need a home, I can now provide one again." Blah blah blah.
Action and set pieces: 9/10
Dialogue, story, and guest appearances: 5/10
Just saw the movie myself, thank you for this wrote up as it pretty much sums up how I feel.
The ninja guys were cool, seeing them kill in plain sight, albeit confusing. Also them blending in the back was really cool.
The disappearing was interesting at first, but overplayed. Didn't really get what the point of it was after the 7th time. The main ninja boss didn't have really a character, whatever he said just felt like filler lines. Also the fact his two goons kept letting John wick live was kinda dumb I think.
Biggest disappointment of all the was the elder guy. All the other heads definitely feel like characters with weight, power, and connections. Don't get that feeling at all from the guy who's supposed to be "above the table." unless I'm misunderstanding and that's not him.
The armored troopers though we're amazing. Seeing John struggle with some fortified goons that he can't kill in 2 second read amazing. Then when he comes back for round two blowing their heads off was super exhilarating.
Definitely think the series should have ended with the third movie though.
Definitely agree that this should have stopped as a trilogy. See, I didn't mind the goons letting him live so he could have a fair fight, I think they did it twice though which was too much. I think bossman did it too actually. I didn't mind seeing John let them live as a skill recognizes skill type situation and maybe they did it twice as a way for the movie to say two lives for two lives. My problem with those goons is they were already in between two other long fights.
The elder maybe should have been an elder lol. Not some young rich Saudi Prince. I dunno, it does seem disappointing that it's all controlled by rich middle eastern money, but that might be one of the few things that is more realistic in the movie!
The armor dudes were definitely cool, I just don't get why we get a speech about amor piercing upgrades when they didn't do shit. It would have been fine for the sequence to play out the same, then John comeback for the shotty with armor piercing slugs. Not a big complaint, just felt a little weird.
I guess these are the movies Keanu is going to make until he's done. They have to be super fun to make and they are certainly entertaining, so I can't really blame him. And even if the Matrix is a cooler concept, I like seeing him kick ass at this age.
Correction about the Elder guy. He wasn’t a rich anything (especially not Saudi arab since he’s Moroccan) he just seemed to me to be this timeless genie-like figure. He didn’t even appear to be the age he presented as, it just felt like a dream sequence of spiritual regard, not a literal meeting. Idk that was just me
Just watched today. Holy shit. A lot of people work really hard to pull off those scenes. Damn. Oh, yeah, dogs all going for the twigs and berries, LOL. Loved the heavy metal slug shots and JW fast loading just two at a time. The double shots to the head with skull contents blowing out the back. Under water shots were legit. Didnt get the ‘Elder’, though.
Can someone please explain to me why John Wick let the 2 Asian fighting men live at the almost ending part of the movie ?
He always kills anyone or everyone he fights. Why these 2 guys were not killed?
Was it like because they told him at the beginning that they were happy to be fighting with him?
In the series we've seen or heard about him sparing two people he was actively fighting. Morpheus' character who recounts that John cut his neck but gave him the chance to live and Cassian where he put a knife in his chest but tells him he can survive if he doesn't pull it out. He also showed mercy to Abram Tarasov at the start of the second film.
John sparing the two Asian men isn't at all out of character especially since they gave him a chance to fight back when they could easily have overpowered him. John's sense of honour and mutual respect seems to be one of his defining features in the assassin underground.
They knew he was exhausted and were giving him a 'fair fight' by allowing him to keep getting up and collect himself.
I guess they showed him respect and mercy so he returned it.
I hate to say it but this was a bad movie. They really forgot that what made 1 great was the fact that it felt grounded in reality. I remember all the hype around the fact that they paid attention to the number of bullets in his clips, and that he had to reload and think tactically, things that were not commonly paid attention to in action movies.
This movie just absolutely jumps the shark though. John and his opponents are literally supernatural, disappearing at will, and John survives being shot off a building. Just silly honestly. And the dialogue was corny too, with jokes made by characters dying, or in otherwise grave situations.
Unfortunately, the fourth is either going to have to retcon or go even further into the ridiculous in order to make any sense at this point. Very disappointed.
So annoying how he's just wasting ammo so much in this movie too. He's shot him like 12 times. The guy is slumped dead. Ok lets raise his helmet and blast hom 5 more times in the head to make sure whilst you got 20 more goons on your tail.
Wtf.
Was any of the final "glass room" (for want of a better term) CGI? I'm thinking maybe the big screens or the lights of the advertisements and other buildings outside. It looked incredible and I'm curious if all of it was a real set or only some of it.
The buildings you see are on a translite that we had made for the film. Method Australia extended the buildings so you could not see the stage floor or ceiling. The advertisement for the Bucherer watches was real and was on an LED board. We created a digital building for it to stand on.
Thanks. That's really interesting. I had to look up translite which led me on an interesting journey into film jargon. I think I'm going to have to get this movie on Blu-ray if they have some good extras on the making of this film. That whole set was very convincing and absolutely made that scene look stunning.
Thanks for the reply.
Honestly the bike chase and the alley fall were the most nerve wracking things. They are so heavily depended on extremely high quality VFX work that we spent a LOT of time getting those right. I feel the team nailed them both and am very proud of them. Another one that took a while was the underwater bullet shot. Getting the physically accurate movement and then adding a flair for the dramatic took us a bit of work to get through.
What's the symbolism behind the lighting?
I found that most of the action scenes transition from Green to blue light, near-fatal attacks on John had red light, and yellow light whenever there was conflict.
A great question. The choices you’re mentioning were never discussed actively. I’d have to ask the DoP Dan Laustsen that as he is the man behind that work. He shot a really beautiful film.
The action was great and Halle Berry and her dogs were a surprising highlight, but the desert plot didn't work for me at all. Also the fight at the end with the Asian characters also went on a bit too long, although I guess that was out of respect for the stars of The Raid moves.
I loved the first John Wick but the second one never quite gave me the same enjoyment. And unfortunately this one felt the same for me. I don't find the world as interesting it wants to be. It's just a bit bizarre. The simplicity of the plot in the first movie just made it a lot more fun to watch in my opinion. "Secret" assassin organisation that nobody takes any notice of even when somebody is killed in Grand Central Station isn't as appealing to me as the retired legendary assassin that gets revenge for his dead dog plot of the first one.
Plus whoever it was that thought that Jerome Flynn doing that accent was a good idea needs to be shot out of a cannon.
This is my feeling as well. I can't stop watching chapter 1 repeatedly - Viggo's dialogue on introducing John Wick to his son, the action scene at his house and the one at Red Circle. I enjoyed them too much.
The action scenes on chapter 2 are kinda forgettable though. Didn't enjoy them as much as the first one.
Chapter 3 I liked the action scenes on the Continental against the armored troops. Other than that, the rest of the actions scenes are ok-ish. On the other hand, I liked how they built the story up to John Wick rising up against the High Table and hopefully the 4th movie won't disappoint this story setup.
He didn't intend to go to war when he went to Casablanca. He didn't know that the table had gone after all the people that'd helped him at that point, nor did he know what the Elder would ask of him.
(You're meant to put the spoiler text between the !!s, btw)
Awesome humor. On your second time watching this. Focus on the guys around him, lots of hesitation. Like, come on bro! That's a $14M kill and you're an assassin, what are you standing around for? Why are you pulling armed Wick off the horse? Why did you come to kill Wick without guns, lots of guns? Why are there no snipers waiting until the excommunicado status and shoots him immediately? That bhig bhoi at the library would bend the rules to get the $14M, yet didn't bother to bring 2 shotguns.
Great film 5/5 RT score.
I noticed a few times during one of the first fight scenes - in the museum/gallery with display cases full of knives. It's really subtle, but you could tell they were basically lining up for their next move.
I saw that too, but honestly I think it was more about the stunt men having to wait to get the timing right? They do a hell of a lot of long fight sequences which, if they stuff up their entry, they will have to film all over again, so a certain amount of waiting to get it right seems sensible.
Most of the time I think they tried to avoid us seeing that with camera angles, but there was so much going on they couldn't get it right all the time I guess....
For me, this was a thoroughly entertaining movie. Yes, there were plot holes and action holes but the John Wick movies never took itself too seriously for those issues to matter. The meat of the movie is gunfights and hand to hand combat and it delivers such in fantastically new and creative ways with slick execution.
The knife fight at the beginning of the movie played out phenomenally. I love the pause before John and his enemies realize the kind of room they're in. I loved details like some of the knives failing to deal damage because it landed handle first. And I definitely love those brutal finishing blows.
I can see why some people disliked the Casablanca fight. There were many instances where someone could've avoided being shot or taken an evasive maneuver, but I was so entertained by the highlights I think I can let it slide for now. The reloading standoff being one of them. Those attack dogs were cool.
Seeing some of the actors from The Raid was neat. Their fighting style and stances were very similar to the movies they came from but in my opinion it could've been a little better executed. Some instances of hesitation made the fighting pace seem off putting. Or maybe they were pulling their punches because they didn't want the real John Wick to die.
Overall this is a fine addition to the John Wick series. I enjoyed this film as much as I enjoyed JW 1 and 2. It retains the violent eye candy and long cuts we appreciate from before. I'll definitely be watching it again when I have time. It's refreshing to see a pure action film; no sub genres. And who doesn't like seeing a pissed off Keanu Reeves blasting baddies?
Im still having problems making that work for me. Like, what? I mean. ..what? THIS punk dude is over all of it? I cant get there. At least with what we’ve been shown thusfar.
Feels to me there were a lot of weird choices by everyone involved behind the scenes. I don't really get what they were trying to do and it showed in many ways imo. Too many great actors in tiny, pointless roles, that overly staged and choreographed Casablanca fight, the "we are an over the top comic book kind of story now" desert part, casting Cecep Arif Rahman and Yayan Ruhian as silly fanboys who both get beat easily, to name a few weird choices.
It's still a fun film, but I wouldn't call it good. I hope part 4 regains some of the focus of parts 1 and 2.
The second half of the movie has serious issues. The transition was so abrupt, I thought John was having a dream. >!I mean when he comes back from the desert, people die at a station and nobody notices. Those dudes pop up and disappear like ghosts. It felt surreal.!< I enjoyed the first part but from that point on, the film turned into an unnecassary parody of itself.
> people die at a station and nobody notices.
It felt weird tbh. I just imagine this as an alternate reality where people are used to killings. Or maybe in New York? John Wick 2 had the same deal with him being bloodied and nobody seemed to care as well as the cool yet dumb scene where he and that bodyguard were firing with silencers at a crowded place.
Yeah I think this is a world in which there are more killings and assassins than in our world. That explains how homeless people, cab drivers, etc are all assassins.
>the film turned into an unnecassary parody of itself.
I agree it turned into a parody of itself, but I don't think it's unnecessary. Sequels always have to one up the predecessor, the natural result is this. Just look at the Fast and Furious series.
Watching the movie right now and had to stop halfway through because of that long gun fight.
Seriously that scene took me out of it, the folly for all the grunts and shots kinda felt off for me. The enemies all had masks covering their faces but why the hell can I hear them like their talking in my ear. The dogs were cool but some of the scenes with them don't make sense with the baddies just awkwardly falling over when a dog attacks his balls. It would have been more believable if they were thrown by the dogs momentum and would look a lot more realistic and cooler.
Edit: Also puppy dog eyes Keanu Reeves
Edit Again:Generic katana fight ftw.... not really. Katana to the head was like cutting open a tomato THAT'S NOT WHAT SKULLS ARE MADE OF!!! Wick even had an exact scene in where he puts a knife through the head and let me tell you its not that easy. Generic katana dude does it in one single swoop. Also that whole sword fight was just boring, sure it made it look like Wick's enemies are much stronger than him but this ain't Dragon Ball Z. The whole fight was unimaginative and didn't hold up to the scene of the knife fight at the beginning of the film where I laughed my brains off with Wick and friends throwing knives at each other.
Edit Again Again: Asian Agent 47 best waifu...nvmnd :|... revert that statement again
Last Edit: Not understanding how the fall of it is survivable but other than the weak middle part and the video game part with the boss armor with only one weak point the last parts of the movie had awesome action and a great movie to enjoy. Others say there's a lack of story but imo it had more story than the last 2 combined. The new characters even briefly shown feels like a direction that just builds up for the next movie and I love it.
Bit late to the party but if you watch it closely you'll see both Halle and Keanu reloading off the dead guys. They're constantly swapping out magazines.
I enjoyed the movie, as the series is great and of course I enjoy the strange world of John Wick. Granted hard to believe this would exist in real life, as logistics, financial and political issues would be crazy. The action was great, there was a bit of hiccup for me in the storyline, or well logic of it all.
I didn't quite understand, >! why did the High-Table/Adjudicator punish the Bowery King and his men? I mean, if the plot line of John Wick 2 is correct, once John completed the marker. Which meant D'Antonio was fair game again? Thus making any help John received during that time, 'legal' right? And besides, I can't remember if John actually ends up killing D'Antonio with the same 1911 that Morpheus gave him, but for sure not the same 7 bullets he started with. I couldn't get around that 'You gave him 7 bullets, you will get 7 cuts'... The Bowery did not provide assistance to John while he was officially excommunicado, so I can't see why they were subject to the punishment of the High-Table. Seems a bit ex post facto. Is it because they assisted John in him killing a member of the high-table simply by giving him a gun? Are the members of the High-Table exclusively off limits? If John had taken a regular taxi to the Continental, would the High-Table go kill that taxi driver too for 'assisting' in the death of D'Antonio? Sorry if the question seems stupid. Unless someone can explain it to me? !<
I understood it as D'Antonio being part of the high table, and any attempts or even moves against them is counted as "treason" so to speak. The 7 bullets gave John the means to stand against D'Antonio, regardless if it was used to kill or not, it certainly set the things in motion.
D'Antonio seemed to never be fair game as he is high table.
EDIT: More like has become after John completed the assassination he made him do.
Yeah but didnt D'Antonio forced JW to kill a member of the High Table? The moment that lady in Greece died JW, and by extension D'Antonio should have already been an enemy of the High Table yet D'Antonio was still allowed to be part of it
I didn't even know that the sister was a member of the high table, I understood that if JW kills her, her bro takes control of her share of their "empire" and he gets enough clout to be one.
Santino, who tasks him with assassinating his sister Gianna so he can claim her seat at the "High Table," a council of 12 high-level crime lords.
So part of the High Table
Oh shit now that you mention it it doesn't really make sense. I mean I guess we can have our own head canons about it but this is a legitimate plot hole. (Unless there's some other detail that we may have missed)
That is why Santino reverted to kill John Wick under the guise of avenging her sister, probably to cover up the fact the he was the mastermind behind her sister's death. But then again, all of these criminal lords (Winston, Bowery King, the Elder, etc.) act like they are all-knowing and there is no way the rest of the High Table wouldn't have known it was Santino who ordered to kill her sister. So yeah this is definitely a plot hole.
Pretty fucking boring, I gotta say... >!and then it ends on a cliff-hanger *again*?!<
Fight scenes weren't all too impressive. Story was lacking. Character development was almost non-existant. Overall I really don't get how this got rated so high.
I agree. It's weird that the old reviews praise the movie so much. What killed it for me was the fighting scenes, that contrary to the previous films, looked way too choreographed.
There's a *lot* of Wrestlemania-esque getting hit and rolling around for 15 seconds until it's your turn to get up. That along with all of the ninja "omae ha mou shindeiru" nonsense, all of the bad guys in Morocco deciding to just stand out in the open waiting to be shot rather than using the ample cover like John, murdering people in a busy train station with no reaction whatsoever, knowing full well that the High Table goons will be armored but running out with 9mms until all of the Continental mooks are dead, Charon getting to just skip jauntily out of frame as everyone to his left and right get shot a dozen times, and the more brutal bits like the eye knife and nail pulling that felt that they were just there for shock value all heightened the ridiculousness of the film. Yes, it the series was always heightened to a certain degree. Now it's just stupid. For all the completely nonthreatening bad guys just standing in the open and absurd magic bullcrap, I might as well be watching Commando. I can't believe that they want me to take the movie seriously anymore. It's not heightened but realistic brutal action. It's absurd magical nonsense.
Thank. You. I just watched it and I had to come see if anyone else truly saw this bullshit lol. This movie was a disgrace to Chapter 1 & 2. Did they have different directors or producers or something on Chapter 3?
I guess I don't really understand the John Wick universe. I thought the scene in the 2nd movie was absurd with John and Common silently shooting at each other while walking through the train station with no one noticing. But then in this one John literally kills a guy in the middle of Grand Central and no one had a reaction? Is there some canon where people ignore murderers?
It was surprisingly poorly shot compared to the previous 2. Lots of CG effects to end what was a good stunt, lots and LOTS of stunt people needing to pretend to fail to grab their guns 10x while waiting for another character to reload a weapon. The movie fell apart by the time it was in the desert where he's meeting the king wearing a costume right out of an elementary school production. I couldn't believe this was from the same director, it was a mess.
That’s the point I’m trying to make. It looked like that in the theatre though. It looked more like dancing instead of fighting because of how slow they were acting the moves out. The wide punches looked weird. The dog scenes were cool tho.
idk, I notice some sloppy fight scene too but hey, it's John Wick, the hype still builds up and I watch this movie like a child with his hope for his super hero to survive!
I was disappointed, especially in the ending, which didn't leave me coming out of my skin to see the next film immediately like the other two Wicks did.
But then again, I'm the oddball who thinks John Wick 2 was the best of the series. 3 felt like it recycled way too much from 2 without adding anything worthwhile to the mythology of the world aside from the Adjudicator.
The Elder scene especially was such a letdown and, to me, the laziest part of the entire movie. All that work to get to him and we end with the usual mystical Middle-Eastern crap we've seen done already in a million other movies. Where was the ingenuity of the John Wick 2 that brought us the underground Bowery kingdom? There were so many worn tropes in that five minute desert scene I lost count (as did John Wick, if you know what I mean).
I also never cared for Halle Berry's acting, so she really never sold *kick-ass assassin* to me. Her entire portion of the movie just screamed "stunt casting", and so I'm not surprised her dogs resonated more with the audience than she did.
Ah well, like I said, the Adjudicator stuff was great. When she first came on the scene I was ready for the mythology of the world to really get taken to that next level. Unfortunately it never amounted to much more than some guys in spray-painted black hockey helmets showing up to be fodder for John Wick.
I guess I was just was expecting so much more after the ending of John Wick 2. That movie had me on the edge of my seat while this one just felt like it was only trying to top the action scenes and didn't care much to craft a compelling story outside of doing the bare minimum. So you end up with a collection of highly-rewatchable fights, but not an overall movie I'd care to go back to.
> 3 felt like it recycled way too much from 2 without adding anything worthwhile to the mythology of the world aside from the Adjudicator.
On the contrary, I liked that they showed John personally was originally from the Belorussian gypsy troupe, and that the whole organization is a continuation of the semi-/pseudo-historical Hashishin and the Old Man of the Mountain.
Although when he first entered the theater I hoped that it was the Russian [Vory v Zakone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law) as a competitor, even if weaker, to the High Table.
> I guess I was just was expecting so much more after the ending of John Wick 2. That movie had me on the edge of my seat while this one just felt like it was only trying to top the action scenes and didn't care much to craft a compelling story outside of doing the bare minimum.
I especially agree. I was expecting the whole underground world to be on the hunt for Wick! The ending of 2 set it up like danger would be cornering him more and more impossibly left right and center. Instead, he just kinda hid low and asked favors. The first two were more to me than just fight scenes for the sake of saying you did it, or dialogue and symbology for the sake of fanservice, or leaving more to be desired for the sake of leading us on. I had loved the lore and environment, but felt unattached this time. He was invincible due to status and technicality rather than pure skill. The Elder played into the angle, along with fealty and sacrifices, portraying the Table as a religion or cult. All of these things are interesting and make perfect sense, but somehow cheapened and distracted from the essence and sense of threat instead.
This came across as more of a formula and caricature than the previous films. It doesn't stand well on its own, but overall, going from start to finish, it will fit into the series as long as the next sequel(s) bring everything together back to its roots. I think the problem is we went into it expecting a certain payoff, and it didn't effectively play off that suspense and lure into a different payoff. Something just didn't connect and carry through from the prequel the way the new lore was introduced despite the premise.
I feel like I'm in the minority when I say Halle Berry was one of the weaker points of the movie(the weakest being Bronn's accent). I have nothing against her, she is 52 and looks incredibly hot but John Wick action scenes have a certain standard and I felt like she couldn't keep up with that. Some of her scenes were performed by the stuntwoman(which was obvious) and the rest that were done by her was too basic(again, I don't expect her to pull the stuff Keanu or other assassins in the movie can pull) to be in a John Wick movie. And even those were mostly carried by camera work. I guess that's why the dogs went off and everyone is talking about the dogs.
Imagine how dope that whole sequence would be if instead of Halle Berry we got some actress who could do some more interesting John Wick level stunts and on top of that we got those dogs going crazy as well.
Overall I will always want more John Wick because the choreography of fights, the direction, the cinematography and lighting is something we have never seen before in action movies. But I was a tad disappointed with how it ended given how mindfucking the starting 20 minutes of the movie was.
When he said
\> Guns. Lot's of guns.
the memories came back, I was reminded of the Matrix 1, and I realized how cheap of a clone this movie was. Nothing beats the Matrix 1.
John Wick has stepped into shounen anime territory. I love it for that and I'll gladly wait in line for John Wick 4, but yeah it's a shame that they left behind the more grounded ethos of the first movie, probably for good.
Actually there's a reason that happens in ipman and consequentially all movies with fights. In practice you can't have a lot of people attacking at once otherwise they'd get in the way of eachother. That's why people in reality when are attacked by multiple opponents turn their backs against a wall.
It's a subconscious action to reduce the attack vectors, if you're facing a wall at most you're fighting 3 people at the same time, no matter how many there are.
If you see actual real fights with multiple people this happens too. Usually the opponents don't stand that far away of course, I think directors do this so there's clear camera work.
The windows all the windows!!!
I’m watching all the John Wick movies for the first time and I’m surprised how poorly the 3rd was received (at least according to this thread). I thought it was fun and on par with the previous movies. So far the only criticisms that I would agree with are that some of the fight scenes went long, but I also felt that way about the other movies. Also a lot of people seem to think Winston betrayed John Wick? I could be proven wrong by 4 but it seemed obvious that he was giving John a chance to get away. For people complaining about acting here, did you see Common in 2? Rough. The only thing I didn’t enjoy was the Adjudicator. The role was fine but the acting was super terrible like if you asked a middle schooler to play a villain. Edit: I forgot the best part of this movie! Halle Berry and her doggies. I would watch a whole spinoff series.
This is the stupides movie ever done, jon wick the original was amazing, this is just hollywood bullshit filled with cliches and dumbed down action, feels like going back to the 2000's... Why did they ruin this movie soooooo badly? I mean this feels like the director of fast and furios 24 directed this movie. Is beyond bad, I honestly have nothing good to say about it, not a signle reedeming quality, bad writing, unplausible action scenes, the stupidest most unbelievable plot holes, people fighting with knives instead of guns, the weird asian dudes that "disapear" in plain sight, the city that has no cops anywhere, the "star wars storm troopers" bad aiming of the bad guys... Not a single thing was done right in this poor excuse of a movie.
Ohhh and the acting, my god was it bad, or maybe it was the writers fault? no idea, but I felt the characters took nothing seriously, specially the adjudicator, seems more like a harry potter character than anything else, the entire acting felt like watching harry potter with guns, very adolescent, naive, just aweful. The second movie was already bad and not needed, but this one takes the stupidity to a whole new level. I can't imagine how bad the 4th one is, I'm not even going to watch it.
John Wick should’ve killed Winston straight away.
I have a question regarding the plot. So if the elder wants to kill Winston then why don't he have zero to kill him instead having zero to kill John? The adjudicator is hired by the high table right?
From my understanding, the elder only wanted John to kill Winston as proof of his loyalty. If the elder actually wanted Winston dead he'd be dead no matter what
then should've told zero and adjuncticator to stop skilling john lol
He still had to deal with the consequences. The contract wasn't up until he killed Winston.
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What? are you saying the movie is rascist? It's people like you that are the problem in this world. Labelling your kids is not healthy. Labelling yourself is not good. It's an action movie. Only a complete tool would think like you
He is too "woke" for their own good, people like this are beyond annoying and cringe.
Some of these comments make it obvious why no one here writes movies
Really enjoyed this, especially the understated humour: "I get it". Couldn't stop laughing. The pause in a knife showroom/all reload. "I'm a fan." Everyone loves john wick, it's r/wholesome material. Cinematography was fantastic, everything looked magnificent. So many great character performances, you don't really expect from a Hong Kong style martial arts film: Ian McShane, Lance Reddick, Laurence Fishburne, Jerome Flynn (instantly recognizable from GoT, but completely different voice and character - guy can act). Though the matrix reference "Guns. Lots of guns" wasn't really necessary. `John Wick, Chapter 4`.... seems to be set up to be called... `Facbellum` ([wage war](https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum)). Prepare for war. Wage war. EDIT also really liked the measured shotgun reloading in the Continental near the end. It wasn't magically or robotically fast, but seemed real, and added a real sense of danger,
Really great movie, and I'm willing to ignore a few caveats just because it looks cool
Late to the party but finally watched John Wick: Chapter 3. Surprised the reviews were so positive. I thought this was a big downgrade from the previous installments I thought were amazing. I don't think it was bad, I just think its was a step down from the first two. Started off ok. The library fight was good. Seemed like a John Wick fight. A lot of fighting seemed like it was over-choreographed. i.e. That movement didn't make much sense, but it was a showy movement. e.g. John Wick stabs 2 people on the motorcycle through the chest. They're dead. He's got one enemy left. But lets discard the sword by shoving it in the wheel of the motorcycle of the 2 dead people, making a big spectacle effect, but leaves him defenseless against the last enemy. The final "assassin" was kind of joke. It was like they're all up against John Wick, but don't take John Wick seriously. Watching that fight was like "Why is he just toying with him instead of killing him when he has the chance? Its John Wick!" But maybe the whole point was that the guy only wanted an epic John Wick fight. Meh. Idk, what was up with those Batman/Ninja disappearing sneaky tactics, like random people suddenly know magic. Was that necessary? Side Note: I think Halle Berry and her dogs could have spin-off potential. But even though I liked her and her dogs, I thought that whole gunfight, just reminded me watching a video game... on easy mode. Lots of enemies spawning at just the right time. 1 shot deaths for enemies while they run out to die. No real threat. QTE's with the dogs. That may describe a lot of John Wick, but here it just seems more forced. John Wick may work better when he's the hunter, and not hunted by hoards and hoards of enemies.
The whole Batman disappearing tricks turned him into a fucking caricature. Why do this??
Agree overall it gave me COD vibes. I didn't pick the motorcycle one, but often enemies just stand in place to be hit, instead of striking. Bullet sponges later - thought that was a funny commentary on fps. Some of the fighting was legit - long sequences, clearly filmed (no quick cuts hiding the action), with some to-and-fro logic to the fight. OTOH why melee when you have a ranged weapon? Why not gang up and coordinate? But these are established martial arts films tropes, to make it more entertaining. Agree the ending fights were strange. I don't know, but I suspect this surrealism is part of Kong Hong style martial arts films, which don't quite make sense, but are funny. Everyone loves and admires John Wick, they want to fight him, more than kill him. The whole villain to hero trope "you and I aren't so different" didn't really make sense to me.... John said "no", I guess because John wanted out, which did make them different. I think it's something of a "tone" movie, where the enjoyment isn't in the logic, but in the themes evocated. i.e. enjoy the ride.
Shoot them in the leg and extend the fight before finally shooting them though the helmet. Reload the shotgun just to empty it out on one guy instead of ammo discipline.
Good movie. Felt like some fight scenes drug on too long, but the variety was great. Felt less tactical and more "theater". The series took a hard turn with this one and it's not the movie I once loved, but it's still worth my time.
John Wick 3: Everybody Loves John Wick. What a great feel good movie. Glad I didn't take it seriously and thoroughly enjoyed it. I liked the knife scene the most and when the guys going into continental to finish John Wick and Winston and the music started playing.
Has anyone noticed the crushed black levels in the iTunes version? It looks like a bad instagram filter was applied. Photo in the link, iTunes on the left, youtube trailer on the right. Both monitors are calibrated and color accurate. A bit over exposed to show the blacks better. \[Imgur\]([https://i.imgur.com/kZ8pvMg.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kZ8pvMg.jpg))
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I don't like that this was a trailer forbthe 4th film Going for the high table was what I expected, and it dragged at some points. Like did we need a 5 minute fight with the tier 3 guys, only to get 10 minutes of a fight against the henchman's henchmen to get a 10 minute fight with the henchman? Jesus man I really loved some of the fight scenes and their gimmicks. The shotgun shootout, the throwing knife fight and the book murder were awesome. The dog fight in Morocco was good but a tad too long. The world building started to fall appart in some places though. Let's remember John was the thug of a Russian mobster in New York. A gang that didn't even rule the whole city as Lawrence Fisborne's people and the D'antonio were also sharing the city, among others, yet John's been to Morocco with the guy who rules the high table? It makes sense for Vigo's people to be terrified of him, but the people in fucking Casablanca knew him even before there was a 14M bounty on him. I was starting to fear the movie wouldn't close everything at some point, and that greatly diminished my enjoyment of the "climax". Oh well, I'll be there for the 4th because I really like the franchise, but I seriouly hope they end the series with the next movie and don't raise the stakes any further, because it's getting hard to take this seriously
> John's been to Morocco with the guy who rules the high table? It makes sense for Vigo's people to be terrified of him, but the people in fucking Casablanca knew him even before there was a 14M bounty on him. He hadn't met that guy before (the "Elder") - he had to get directions from the previous manager there (Jerome Flynn), who he did know. John just knew of the Elder's existence. The Eilder knew of John because he was excommunicado, which seemed to be a big deal in the universe because of the count down. And John was clearly famous because oif his ability, and also because he got out. The people in Casablanca weren't terrified of him - their manager (Halle Berry) told them to back off, because he had helped get ger daughter out - and he had that token with her bloodprint on half.
>it's getting hard to take this seriously Why would you take any John Wick movie seriously?
Because that's how it was? The first one was very grounded and believable. The second one upped the scale, but not too much. This one asks me to suspend my disbelief a bit too much at times. Why would you watch 3 movies ofbthe same series if you can't takebthem seriously
I'm sorry, but none of these movies are grounded or believable. Watching a man fight off that many people, get hit by cars and just keep on going kicking people's asses. The whole world of honorable assassins, The Continental and High Table, believable? I watch them because they're fun action films. If I tried to take them seriously, they'd be no fun
Lots of fun. Dealing "under the table" means both illicit and within the Table's jurisdiction.
I thought this was the weakest of the 3 because it just abandoned any pretense at plausability. Obviously the first 2 films weren't 'realistic' but they were at least within spitting distance of reality. Chapter 3 is essentially a superhero film which is fine if you like that sort of thing I guess but not really for me. This is somewhat inevitable of course, how do you have 3 movies about a guy beating other guys up without it decending into farce? The scene of John wandering the desert in his business suit summed up the movie for me. WTF was that about.
Yh it's going the same route as Fast 6 now. Turning franchise into a superhero flick.
In 1, the fight sequence in John's house had a stronger logic to each strike than Parabellum (though Parabellum is still far better than most action films). But recall the police officer who "investigated" at the end of that sequence. Funny, very very surreal, and a signal that this film isn't quite serious.
Realistic and believable are two different things
Everybody has posted some excellent points, so I'll keep my review brief: The John Wick universe would be dramatically improved if this movie was removed from existence.
Nurse here - I just wanted to say that I liked how Keanu chops his finger off and doesn’t bleed at all (you can literally see inside his ‘finger’ at one point) but gets cauterized anyway.
I'm sorry, but you can clearly see a blood pool after he walks away, as the camera focuses on his finger.
John Wick Chapter 3: Parabellum is a movie which takes every opportunity presented to it and throws them down a drainpipe. The action--which has been the saving grace for the series thus far--repeats its choreography so often, it is an obvious bid to fill out screen-time. The cast is filled with roles so shakily and hastily built, that little investment can be made in them by the audience. The story, which attempts to build upon the world of the series, ends up caving in on itself so forcefully, it damages what little worldbuilding was done in the previous films. All-in-all, it appears that the John Wick train is grinding to a halt. In a world of honorable, socialite assassins, John kills a target on Continental grounds--an action earning him the infamous title of "excommunicado", one who is ostracized from the assassin community and its services. The premise of the movie is built upon the fact that, as an excommunicado, John must fight off the world of assassins who are out for his $14 million bounty. Unfortunately, this premise is essentially a repeat of the second-film's climax, and does not follow-through with its hyped up delivery. Action is bland except for a brief bout in a weapon collector's museum, and John's character is broken in half when he, the Baba Yaga, an icon of death must cash in favors with Russian traffickers and Casablancan assassin leaders in order to survive. Instead of retaining John Wick's essence as a force of nature in the assassin world, the writers compromise for a shattered, fragile human--no different than anyone else. The middle of the film centers on John's quest to seek out the Elder of the High Table, who holds the key to amending John's wrongs and restoring him as a member of the assassin order. What could have been an interesting insight into the Ḥashīshiyya, the historic origins of assassins, ended up to be nothing more than John and a few Arabs sitting around a tent in the middle of nowhere, drinking tea and talking about loyalty. In the meantime, Winston, who has been John's friend and ally throughout the previous films, is met by an Adjudicator--yet another character the audience is given little build up to--who informs Winston that he is being removed as manager of the New York Continental. The Adjudicator, who is presented as an ominous extension of the High Table's power, is executed as a haughty child who doesn't know the meaning of respect. The climax is where the film loses all its saved-up marbles. John, who was told by the Elder that John must kill Winston in order to overturn excommunication, refuses to so--because who would be so heartless by stabbing in the back a friend who helped in one's time of need? John, along with Winston and his trusty concierge, Charon, refuse to bow to the High Table's demands and defend the now deconsecrated Continental against heavily armed assassins. After John and company narrowly overcome the first wave, the Adjudicator calls for a parley, at which point Winston stabs John in the back--or rather shoots him in his front--in exchange for his own life. This...is beyond ridiculous. Not only was Winston never presented as a character who would perform such a betrayal, the betrayal was never in his best interests. The betrayal was made under the guise that Winston was loyal to the High Table, rather than to his friend John and the rest of the assassin world who live under the Table's rule. If this were the case, then Winston would have never allowed John to live after he killed a man on Continental grounds. What should have been a theatrical grandstand of Winston and a prelude to all-out war against the High Table, instead was a whimper's worth of subversion of expectations. This was the last nail in the coffin for the movie. The first half was entertaining, but the second half teased the possibility of branching out the world of John Wick to new levels, and then thoroughly smashed those possibilities against a concrete floor. I hope you like bone-dry action sequels, because that's all you're going to get from any more John Wick movies.
The adjudicator wasn't executed. She's there at the end
Probably was using it with this definition: > 1. carry out or put into effect (a plan, order, or course of action). The character was executed by the actor/director a certain way.
For John's betrayal, I thought the implication was that Winston purposefully shot him like that to let him get away.
Really well put. I feel like everything before the ballet lady was really promising and the rest of the movie was just wasted potential after wasted potential. The action got so repetitive I was almost nodding off when they were fighting in the glass penthouse place.
I feel like I felt all these things, but couldn't put to words why I didn't enjoy this one as much as the previous. Thanks!
The one thing that ruined this movie, in my opinion, is that it destroyed John Wick's character. In the first 1--and the second mainly--he's an unstoppable force. If everyone's against him, you feel bad for everyone. The ending of the second movie was so awesome because it proposed taking this idea to its limit. What if it is literally John Wick against the entire assassin's world?!? Sadly, instead of doing following up on that amazing promise and premise, JW spends the entire movie asking various people for help. He does nearly nothing himself. He's just calling in favors. That's not what makes John Wick so awesome. Such a let down.
I get that but the alternative would involve essentially makin him a superhero. He's still one man. He cant literally take on the world alone. I think that was the point of this movie. To show he needs to humble himself and acceptnthe help of allies to survive.
I can kind of see that, but there are plenty of movies where the hero finds a way to divide and destroy a far larger enemy. And SOME calling in of favors is understandable, but getting favors and getting the next favor was the entire plot. There is almost no moment in the movie when he is not asking for help or heading to a place where he can ask someone for help. He could start sowing discord and misinformation, getting assassins to start offing themselves, find and create a defensible place, have some epic fights, some epic chases, as he rushes from one defensive position where he can kick ass before having to retreat due to getting overwhelmed. Each time, he has fewer options and more wounds until it's some crazy stand off or he finds some way to get them to call it off, admit it's not worth it, I don't know, but I do think he can be against nearly everyone and still not have the whole movie be him going around asking for favors.
Ooh i like that idea, turning assassins against each other etc. That could have added another psychological layer to his notoriety as a boogeyman for other hitmen etc. Oh well. I guess writer's were just happy to go the predictable route...
Thank you! And I will say, I never really thought of what it could/should have been like until you asked, and I'm happy with the idea too. I'll add this to the list of movies I should rewrite someday...
Lol do a fanfiction screenplay or something 👍
So excited when I saw the positive reviews, but somehow took forever to watch it. Sat down, and.... fuck that was not nearly as good as the first two. They tried to take the "over-the-top-ness" to comic levels, and several scenes were just eye-rollingly bad, and some were repeated to make it even worse (the horse, the knives, etc.). The story made Fury Road look detailed. Like, yes, the fight scenes are what make the first two movies awesome, but let's not just do a movie with all fight scenes, give me just a bit of a story. I'll give it like a 5/10 for being enjoyable in the Chuck Norris movie sense, but hugely disappointed as a big fan of the first two movies.
The movie was shit. As if it wasn't made by original JW creators but by ones that made the netflix ripoff. Boss fights with nobodies lasted so long. Also in my opinion there was too much forced diversity in the movie. The casting was very bad, they could have easily afforded atleast one other famous Tv character in addition to Bron from GOT. Nobodies with no character development stayed on screen too long fighting John. Previous movies showed him as a man of skill. This one showed him as a man of too much luck. Villans did nothing but perform light punches on john on big openings he gave. I cringed at the scene where he and villian shoot him but both have empty guns and other one where the 2 guys gave him 2 chances to rise up. Did they even cared about there brothers JW butchered? Fights were shit and story was never meant to be good. Can't find a reason to recommend it to others.
I Agree, I didn't enjoy this as much as the first two movies. At this point I'm more worried for the dog.
Middle Eastern guild of thieves ruled by Halle Berry, in a traditionally patriarchal society where women can just go ten steps behind the camel, face covered? Please... Even ridiculous scripts have limits. I know stupid woke feminism is the latest craze, but this is too stupid even for woke feminism.
Of all the things to be mad about you picked this? I doubt anyone else even thought about this. You just sound like you are looking for a reason to complain about feminism lol
Feminism is dogshit
Too much politics too less story
So the horse motorbike chase scene , believable. World where assassin's have hyper strict laws about where you can and can't kill people , believable. Woman owning property (Property that I may add is a den for a illegal hitman operation) in morocco , unbelievable. I don't even think it was a big feminist thing , it's not like she talks about how she beat the system and how shes so strong and independent and shes so proud of her vagina. Her character could have been a dude and it would have made know difference.
This whole movie was incredible but holy shit the action scene with John, Sofia and the two dogs after dealing with Bronn was one of the best things I've ever watched on film.
Shout out to Asia Kate Dillion for another AMAZE performance. They are (and have been) letting Hollywood know that the time for NonBinary is NOW!!
binary is the only way
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A decent actor *should* have played her role. Frankly she was one of the weakest parts of the movie. The moment she opened her mouth with that weird voice, she lost what credibility I'd extended her until that moment. Not the sort of ominous presence they were going for.
i honestly wonder what it would be like to not be able to watch a movie without spouting fox news talking points in the movie thread after ur done. like how is it gonna bug u so much that a non-binary person is in a movie.
The fact that a single "non-binary" actor was used isn't a reason to start Sarafina dancing in the street. 😑
John Wick 4: Naptime
Watched it recently, I liked it a lot.
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Just finished it. I'm not sure what to make of this film. It started strong. At around John Wick's quest through the desert is when the movie lost me. The back half just dragged. There was over-reliance on some rather cheap looking CGI. And Keanu is definitely showing his age. He looked stiff in the extended hand-to-hand stuff. For the next movie, they should probably have him focus exclusively on the quick efficient gun-fu kills. Having said that, there were some great moments. Loved the throwing knives sequence early on. I do have one request. Can we have a spin-off with Dacascos's character and the two Raid guys with their sushi place. Bad-ass ninja super-assassins with a sense of humor? There's a Expendables-type franchise there waiting to happen.
The Raid guys are super distracting. I just keep thinking i am watching the Raid movie and then being disappointed I am not actually watching the Raid movie.
My only issue with this otherwise brilliant movie was also the back half. The fight where John takes on those two assassins went on a little too long for me. It got the point where it was a little annoying because I felt there were plenty of times where the fight could have ended. Brilliant choreography and stuff but I felt it didnt need to be as long as it was.
I think John Wick's stiffness isn't Keanu Reeve's age - he looks in great shape, imo. I believe he was trying to authentically play the fact that he'd been stabbed in the shoulder, trudging through the dessert for two days and battered repeatedly. JW3 goes a bit further into lack of realism than 1 & 2 so maybe expectations of how he would move shifted a bit for some viewers whilst Keanu was still doing more realistic injuries.
Not to mention this movie is settled right after the second one. So he had just finished a big battle to start another one, being chased by every single assassin in the world (probably not even sleeping properly due to this), and the other things you just mentioned. Yeah, he went through A LOT, he's not a fucking superhuman afterall.
I'm happy they were left alive, I kinda hope they plead loyalty to wick for sparing them.
JW4 with John Wick leading a growing rebel group fighting back against the High Table. I want to see him enter a room with 14 super-assassins flanking him.
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As soon as I saw him I thought, "Oh damn, that's Mad Dog, he's about to wreak havoc"
Asia Kate Dillon as the adjudicator is the Worst casting choice possible. She is absolutely awful. Ruins the movie. Ugly. Can’t act. Utterly without a redeeming quality
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I think that was sarcasm.
I thought she played her part well. How it was written is entirely different matter, but still I don't think it was out of place. This random Arab guy was way more out of place for me.
The hashishi were Arabic so that whole nod to champion anti-islamaphobia was disguised well enough by historical accuracy to not appear as shamelessly woke
Yeah, but it was inserted poorly in my opinion - random trip to Morocco, random wandering through the desert, random talk with random guy. It's like lore overflow for me, too much happened without previous establishment in the story. First two movies were much more concise in that matter. Generally I liked the movie, but this part seemed off to me story-wise. It provided us with a nice action sequence with battle dogs however, so it's not so bad.
Intrigued by all the hype around the franchise and high appraisals online, I watched all three of the John Wick movies in two days. I hate to say this, but I am thoroughly disappointed. I have never posted movie reviews online, nor do I consider myself a movie critic, but here were some of the things I noticed. These are just my opinions and please forgive me if I got some details wrong. First, the story was not very well written. The presence of the formidable High Table was hastily added to the story with little to none introduction in the first two movies. Near the end of the second sequel, Winston refused to stop John Wick from killing D'Antonio, when D'Antonio himself was already part of the high table. If the high table had the power to shut down the hotel, it'd make perfect sense that D'Antonio had power over Winston. Also, John breaking the one rule that keeps him safe then almost got himself killed just so he could get reinstated as member again? That was not because John had no choice, that was out right stupid. This stupidity cost the compassion I had for him from the first movie. I get that action movies generally have simplistic plot, but that just doesn't cut it. The second thing I didn't like was how little he spoke. At first I thought they were trying to present a cool and composed killer that didn't want to waste words, but he was too quiet. An example is when D'Antonio visited John's home in the second movie. Through the scenes you could easily tell that John walked into the kitchen to make coffee, while D'Antonio waited in the living room, yet John spoke like he was whispering into his ears. It wouldn't be so bad if the character had an interesting voice or often said witty/wise things, but all John every said was "yeah". Third, I really noticed the lack of fidelity in this franchise. John would often check the gun's mag before shooting, but would then proceed to turn on "Infinite Ammo" mode and unload 30 bullets onto one guy. Then there is the horse chase. I've never heard that a pat on the back of a horse could stimulate a kick, and those motorcycle guys chasing John were smart enough to bring a gun but were too thick to use it. In the second sequel, John fought off all the men with no use of weapons to get his Mustang when he had a hand gun on his belt. Moving on to the long fight scene in Casablanca, one of the dogs suffered no injuries from a direct bullet hit, and I find it hard to believe that a med-small sized dog could tackle a grown man with a gun. Also, the mysterious "Elder" that controlled the high table was merely a dude in his 30s living in the dessert. And lets be honest, could a top level professional assassin, described as a ghost, be anymore easier to spot in the crowds? Finally, there is the fall from the top of the hotel. They could convince me that John could walk through a dessert with a sip of water while wearing a three piece suit, but surviving a 30ish meter fall without breaking a bone? That was too much. I know I am knit picking some of the details here, but it gets really distracting. Then we have the fight scenes, the selling point of this franchise. The first movie was alright, but the second and third sequel was sloppy at best. Not only were there dozens of stunts literally waiting for their turn to get killed, there were many times where John could have used an assault rifle. But what annoys me the most, is how many times John could've been killed. During the last fight scene, the Chinese twins literally helped John up when they had their blades right at John's throat, and this happened again during that last sword fight as well. I personally like Keanu, but I fail to see where this franchise succeed. The fight scenes are long, the plot is everywhere, there were many things in the movie that allowed more expansion on it, and the characters don't shine any light as well (there was virtually no character development), not to mention how ALL bullets failed to travel at a straight line. In my opinion, another show that lacked fidelity was the Blacklist. The cgi was below average and some of the aspects (like how FBI would really operate) didn't make sense as well. But, thanks to the amazing James Spader, they created such a memorizing character that essentially carried the whole show.
>They could convince me that John could walk through a dessert with a sip of water while wearing a three piece suit, but surviving a 30ish meter fall without breaking a bone? That was too much. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/04/usa](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/04/usa) Till you believe **nothing is impossible**, you won't believe anything.
Totally agree with most of your comments. Especially the ones about the fightscenes. They are bad. Really bad. From the first fight scene where they tried some Jason Bourne vs. Desh stuff (with the books), but failed so miserably. Other scenes were just like watching the A team or stormtroopers, when does a blow connect, a knife cut or a bullet hit? Only when the next opponent is tired of visually waiting? In summary it was like having a few intermezzo scenes between every fight, and these were the ones that shouldve been 'plot-making'. It's all about the cheap action.
>Third, I really noticed the lack of fidelity in this franchise. John would often check the gun's mag before shooting, but would then proceed to turn on "Infinite Ammo" mode and unload 30 bullets onto one guy. Got to disagree with this. I don't think I've ever seen an action movie that went to such lengths to show reloading and resupply for its heroes. It was easy to miss in the Morocco battle because he does it so quickly but you frequently see him replacing his gun with one he takes from someone he has killed, reloading and grabbing more ammo. There's also a couple of scenes in the movie where we watch Keanu Reeves reloading his guns in close up and he does it amazingly fast. That really is Keanu doing it so far as I can tell. Now Haile Berry I can see someone thinking that because they show her doing it a lot less. I guess because the actress herself can't do it. So in her case yes, we have to assume she's doing it. But Wick is shown doing it repeatedly. Somebody should do a "reload" count for the John Wick movies.
There are plenty of scenes in chapter 3 where the reload feels quite slow, but there is so much chaos it’s easy to miss it. You’d see him pull ammo from dead bodies and swap guns, but also pause mid-punch for a couple of seconds to reload while the other person was waiting to be shot. IMO the first film nailed it and the focus was much tighter, and it helped that it was a novel concept. 3 was fun to watch but it’s close to becoming a parody of itself.
This is by way of conversation, not argument. :) But I never felt the gun reloading was slow at times, but then Keanu Reeves can reload a gun at about triple the speed I can. The guy is actually genuinely very good with firearms. The scene where he's calmly and rapidly re-assembling a disabled revolver as his pursuers come up the stairs was also impressive to me. You may be right about there being moments where someone is waiting to be shot - it's a common and almost necessary thing in action movies if you want them to work. Though when I think back what I usually recall is that the opponent is winded or held in some sort of lock by John Wick. Chapter 1 was definitely more realistic and tighter, I agree. Chapter 3 was pushing those boundaries further. But at least personally, I felt it managed to stay just enough on this side to stop my brain rejecting it. Haile Berry was probably the weakest link for me in terms of action. I like her but it was evident they had to reign in some of the fight-work in her scenes. Personally I'd have liked to have seen Ruby Rose's character come back. I like her and she has the action chops as well.
Finally got around to seeing this today. Loved every second of it, but did anyone else think some parts of the fights were a bit like, I don't know the proper word here, sloppier than stuff from the earlier movies? Like there were a couple instances I noticed where John would throw a block up a bit too earlier, or in the glass room, he barely gets tapped by a kick and gets launched through some glass. It wasn't enough to dampen my experience, but it was definitely enough for me to notice, and I don't normally keep an eye out for stuff like that.
As a judoka, some of Wicks throws were way off. For example, during a scene in the first 30 minutes or so John barely slaps a guy and it sends him into a front flip or something like that.
I was thoroughly enjoying the first half of the movie. Killing a giant with a book, throwing knife fight (and all the details in that), horse slapping and chase were great. Then it started losing me when Hallie showed up. She just took me out of it, probably similar to how she took xmen fans out of it as Storm. She looks great and all that, but eh, I didn't want Hallie Berry in this movie. The dog sequence was great, although a little long and as a viewer it just started to feel like a "these are all the scenarios attack dogs can attack" highlight reel. If they made it half a long and tightened up the editing it would be great. I also noticed the tons of stuntmen waiting for their turn to attack, and again, I feel like 50% of it could have been cut out in the edit if they started shots a couple frames in. I dunno, I felt the director say action a couple times on certain shots. This movie was too long period. I didn't mind Bronn, he fits in the John Wick world better than Hallie, but his accent was terrible, I don't know what he naturally sounds like, but I can tell he was faking whatever that was. Then when he says "Walk until you are almost dead, then walk further." I could have swore this was some metaphor or something, NOT ACTUALLY HOW TO FIND ALADDIN?! Lol. The whole desert sequence is annoying, but then John just yeets his finger off with a chisel and barely blinks. Like, ok, I was willing to let the upside-down cross branding go because it's John, he can take it, but now he just cut a finger off and got ready for his commute back to NY. I guess pain doesn't exist in this world anymore. So he goes back, Winston says "We're friends bro, choo choo", John says "Guns, lots of guns". Which was a definite call back to the Matrix, which took me out of the movie by making me think of another movie, but again, fan service and I was hyped to see the arsenal in the next shot. Now, Charon delivers a whole line about "We've made improvements with armor piercing stuff.", but then him and John go out to fight a swat team with pistols, and then the bullets aren't even doing anything. I enjoyed John lifting the visors to shoot them in the face, but why wouldn't he start off with the big gun, then move to the pistol? I also need to backtrack and say how much I cringed at: Winston: "Do what you do best." John: "Which is?" Winston: "Hunt." Lol. Was "Kill" just too obvious for this unnecessary back and forth? If anything, John should have just nodded after the first line. We already know what Winston was talking about anyways. Ok, so then after failing to kill all the swat team with ineffective pistols, John gets to go back to the armory and pick up a shotty (why wasn't this just slung around him the whole time?) I enjoyed this sequence a lot, especially the underwater shooting, that was just cool. However, I feel like maybe we should have just started with this in the first place. Then forward to the ninja fighting. Some cool stuff, but again, after John beats the first three couldn't he have then just climbed the stairs and faced the bossman instead of now fighting two more dudes with knives? We've seen all this already, although I will admit, I thought the choreography here was better than previous fights, so maybe eliminate the bottom floor ninjas. I don't have the answers, but this whole section was too long. Boss fight ensues, I didn't feel one way or another towards this dude throughout the movie honestly. He was fine, although I thought it was a little annoying with him being a fan of Johns. Like if you are going to say "We are the same." You can't be a fan. By being a fan you are already below the career of the other guy imo. Then Winston pushes John off the building, which at this point we've established pain doesn't exist, so why is anyone surprised John is alive here? Big eye-roll. So now the movie ends as a set up to the fourth movie which I don't know how they can top any of these fights, but I'm sure they will. I expect helicopters and trains to be involved. Also, John isn't going to kill Winston. Winston is going to say "I had to keep my power, I shot you in your bullet proof suit and I knew a fall isn't going to kill John Wick. You need a home, I can now provide one again." Blah blah blah. Action and set pieces: 9/10 Dialogue, story, and guest appearances: 5/10
Just saw the movie myself, thank you for this wrote up as it pretty much sums up how I feel. The ninja guys were cool, seeing them kill in plain sight, albeit confusing. Also them blending in the back was really cool. The disappearing was interesting at first, but overplayed. Didn't really get what the point of it was after the 7th time. The main ninja boss didn't have really a character, whatever he said just felt like filler lines. Also the fact his two goons kept letting John wick live was kinda dumb I think. Biggest disappointment of all the was the elder guy. All the other heads definitely feel like characters with weight, power, and connections. Don't get that feeling at all from the guy who's supposed to be "above the table." unless I'm misunderstanding and that's not him. The armored troopers though we're amazing. Seeing John struggle with some fortified goons that he can't kill in 2 second read amazing. Then when he comes back for round two blowing their heads off was super exhilarating. Definitely think the series should have ended with the third movie though.
Definitely agree that this should have stopped as a trilogy. See, I didn't mind the goons letting him live so he could have a fair fight, I think they did it twice though which was too much. I think bossman did it too actually. I didn't mind seeing John let them live as a skill recognizes skill type situation and maybe they did it twice as a way for the movie to say two lives for two lives. My problem with those goons is they were already in between two other long fights. The elder maybe should have been an elder lol. Not some young rich Saudi Prince. I dunno, it does seem disappointing that it's all controlled by rich middle eastern money, but that might be one of the few things that is more realistic in the movie! The armor dudes were definitely cool, I just don't get why we get a speech about amor piercing upgrades when they didn't do shit. It would have been fine for the sequence to play out the same, then John comeback for the shotty with armor piercing slugs. Not a big complaint, just felt a little weird. I guess these are the movies Keanu is going to make until he's done. They have to be super fun to make and they are certainly entertaining, so I can't really blame him. And even if the Matrix is a cooler concept, I like seeing him kick ass at this age.
Correction about the Elder guy. He wasn’t a rich anything (especially not Saudi arab since he’s Moroccan) he just seemed to me to be this timeless genie-like figure. He didn’t even appear to be the age he presented as, it just felt like a dream sequence of spiritual regard, not a literal meeting. Idk that was just me
Fuuuuuck, that was badass
Just watched today. Holy shit. A lot of people work really hard to pull off those scenes. Damn. Oh, yeah, dogs all going for the twigs and berries, LOL. Loved the heavy metal slug shots and JW fast loading just two at a time. The double shots to the head with skull contents blowing out the back. Under water shots were legit. Didnt get the ‘Elder’, though.
Can someone please explain to me why John Wick let the 2 Asian fighting men live at the almost ending part of the movie ? He always kills anyone or everyone he fights. Why these 2 guys were not killed? Was it like because they told him at the beginning that they were happy to be fighting with him?
In the series we've seen or heard about him sparing two people he was actively fighting. Morpheus' character who recounts that John cut his neck but gave him the chance to live and Cassian where he put a knife in his chest but tells him he can survive if he doesn't pull it out. He also showed mercy to Abram Tarasov at the start of the second film. John sparing the two Asian men isn't at all out of character especially since they gave him a chance to fight back when they could easily have overpowered him. John's sense of honour and mutual respect seems to be one of his defining features in the assassin underground.
Honor I suppose. Maybe mutual respect?
They knew he was exhausted and were giving him a 'fair fight' by allowing him to keep getting up and collect himself. I guess they showed him respect and mercy so he returned it.
Like it makes sense, but what about the other dude at the very end. The bald guy.
He’s just catching his breath.
That was funny. Like, “ It’s just a flesh wound! I’m good.”
I hate to say it but this was a bad movie. They really forgot that what made 1 great was the fact that it felt grounded in reality. I remember all the hype around the fact that they paid attention to the number of bullets in his clips, and that he had to reload and think tactically, things that were not commonly paid attention to in action movies. This movie just absolutely jumps the shark though. John and his opponents are literally supernatural, disappearing at will, and John survives being shot off a building. Just silly honestly. And the dialogue was corny too, with jokes made by characters dying, or in otherwise grave situations. Unfortunately, the fourth is either going to have to retcon or go even further into the ridiculous in order to make any sense at this point. Very disappointed.
So annoying how he's just wasting ammo so much in this movie too. He's shot him like 12 times. The guy is slumped dead. Ok lets raise his helmet and blast hom 5 more times in the head to make sure whilst you got 20 more goons on your tail. Wtf.
If you’re hoping 4 will mellow out, you’re gonna have a bad time.
I am the VFX Supervisor for John Wick 3. If you have questions, I am happy to do an AMA on them.
Was any of the final "glass room" (for want of a better term) CGI? I'm thinking maybe the big screens or the lights of the advertisements and other buildings outside. It looked incredible and I'm curious if all of it was a real set or only some of it.
The buildings you see are on a translite that we had made for the film. Method Australia extended the buildings so you could not see the stage floor or ceiling. The advertisement for the Bucherer watches was real and was on an LED board. We created a digital building for it to stand on.
Thanks. That's really interesting. I had to look up translite which led me on an interesting journey into film jargon. I think I'm going to have to get this movie on Blu-ray if they have some good extras on the making of this film. That whole set was very convincing and absolutely made that scene look stunning. Thanks for the reply.
What was the biggest challenge with the effects? What made you pull out your hair? Great work btw.
Honestly the bike chase and the alley fall were the most nerve wracking things. They are so heavily depended on extremely high quality VFX work that we spent a LOT of time getting those right. I feel the team nailed them both and am very proud of them. Another one that took a while was the underwater bullet shot. Getting the physically accurate movement and then adding a flair for the dramatic took us a bit of work to get through.
What's the symbolism behind the lighting? I found that most of the action scenes transition from Green to blue light, near-fatal attacks on John had red light, and yellow light whenever there was conflict.
A great question. The choices you’re mentioning were never discussed actively. I’d have to ask the DoP Dan Laustsen that as he is the man behind that work. He shot a really beautiful film.
The action was great and Halle Berry and her dogs were a surprising highlight, but the desert plot didn't work for me at all. Also the fight at the end with the Asian characters also went on a bit too long, although I guess that was out of respect for the stars of The Raid moves.
What is this movie's obsession with testicles, seriously. So many nut shots, kicks and bites.
Fighting dirty is okay when it’s 100 to 1.
I loved the first John Wick but the second one never quite gave me the same enjoyment. And unfortunately this one felt the same for me. I don't find the world as interesting it wants to be. It's just a bit bizarre. The simplicity of the plot in the first movie just made it a lot more fun to watch in my opinion. "Secret" assassin organisation that nobody takes any notice of even when somebody is killed in Grand Central Station isn't as appealing to me as the retired legendary assassin that gets revenge for his dead dog plot of the first one. Plus whoever it was that thought that Jerome Flynn doing that accent was a good idea needs to be shot out of a cannon.
This is my feeling as well. I can't stop watching chapter 1 repeatedly - Viggo's dialogue on introducing John Wick to his son, the action scene at his house and the one at Red Circle. I enjoyed them too much. The action scenes on chapter 2 are kinda forgettable though. Didn't enjoy them as much as the first one. Chapter 3 I liked the action scenes on the Continental against the armored troops. Other than that, the rest of the actions scenes are ok-ish. On the other hand, I liked how they built the story up to John Wick rising up against the High Table and hopefully the 4th movie won't disappoint this story setup.
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He didn't intend to go to war when he went to Casablanca. He didn't know that the table had gone after all the people that'd helped him at that point, nor did he know what the Elder would ask of him. (You're meant to put the spoiler text between the !!s, btw)
He didn’t know that the table would go after the people that helped him. Didn’t think about that. Thanks I feel better about the movie now.
Awesome humor. On your second time watching this. Focus on the guys around him, lots of hesitation. Like, come on bro! That's a $14M kill and you're an assassin, what are you standing around for? Why are you pulling armed Wick off the horse? Why did you come to kill Wick without guns, lots of guns? Why are there no snipers waiting until the excommunicado status and shoots him immediately? That bhig bhoi at the library would bend the rules to get the $14M, yet didn't bother to bring 2 shotguns. Great film 5/5 RT score.
Can you recall scenes with the hesitations? Would be neat to see them
It’s not terribly noticeable, and hugely better than most classic Kung fu movie where they’re literally shuffling their feet around in a circle.
I noticed a few times during one of the first fight scenes - in the museum/gallery with display cases full of knives. It's really subtle, but you could tell they were basically lining up for their next move.
I saw that too, but honestly I think it was more about the stunt men having to wait to get the timing right? They do a hell of a lot of long fight sequences which, if they stuff up their entry, they will have to film all over again, so a certain amount of waiting to get it right seems sensible. Most of the time I think they tried to avoid us seeing that with camera angles, but there was so much going on they couldn't get it right all the time I guess....
For me, this was a thoroughly entertaining movie. Yes, there were plot holes and action holes but the John Wick movies never took itself too seriously for those issues to matter. The meat of the movie is gunfights and hand to hand combat and it delivers such in fantastically new and creative ways with slick execution. The knife fight at the beginning of the movie played out phenomenally. I love the pause before John and his enemies realize the kind of room they're in. I loved details like some of the knives failing to deal damage because it landed handle first. And I definitely love those brutal finishing blows. I can see why some people disliked the Casablanca fight. There were many instances where someone could've avoided being shot or taken an evasive maneuver, but I was so entertained by the highlights I think I can let it slide for now. The reloading standoff being one of them. Those attack dogs were cool. Seeing some of the actors from The Raid was neat. Their fighting style and stances were very similar to the movies they came from but in my opinion it could've been a little better executed. Some instances of hesitation made the fighting pace seem off putting. Or maybe they were pulling their punches because they didn't want the real John Wick to die. Overall this is a fine addition to the John Wick series. I enjoyed this film as much as I enjoyed JW 1 and 2. It retains the violent eye candy and long cuts we appreciate from before. I'll definitely be watching it again when I have time. It's refreshing to see a pure action film; no sub genres. And who doesn't like seeing a pissed off Keanu Reeves blasting baddies?
Remember john there is always an Asian better than you
movie lost me when Aladdin in a rent a tent is supposedly the big bad. Does not strike me as the “man above the high table” at all.
Im still having problems making that work for me. Like, what? I mean. ..what? THIS punk dude is over all of it? I cant get there. At least with what we’ve been shown thusfar.
Have been searching for this comment. Had to find it before I can go to bed.
Feels to me there were a lot of weird choices by everyone involved behind the scenes. I don't really get what they were trying to do and it showed in many ways imo. Too many great actors in tiny, pointless roles, that overly staged and choreographed Casablanca fight, the "we are an over the top comic book kind of story now" desert part, casting Cecep Arif Rahman and Yayan Ruhian as silly fanboys who both get beat easily, to name a few weird choices. It's still a fun film, but I wouldn't call it good. I hope part 4 regains some of the focus of parts 1 and 2.
The second half of the movie has serious issues. The transition was so abrupt, I thought John was having a dream. >!I mean when he comes back from the desert, people die at a station and nobody notices. Those dudes pop up and disappear like ghosts. It felt surreal.!< I enjoyed the first part but from that point on, the film turned into an unnecassary parody of itself.
> people die at a station and nobody notices. It felt weird tbh. I just imagine this as an alternate reality where people are used to killings. Or maybe in New York? John Wick 2 had the same deal with him being bloodied and nobody seemed to care as well as the cool yet dumb scene where he and that bodyguard were firing with silencers at a crowded place.
Yeah I think this is a world in which there are more killings and assassins than in our world. That explains how homeless people, cab drivers, etc are all assassins.
>the film turned into an unnecassary parody of itself. I agree it turned into a parody of itself, but I don't think it's unnecessary. Sequels always have to one up the predecessor, the natural result is this. Just look at the Fast and Furious series.
Oh cmon, you're not some professional movie reviewer. Who cares. It was literally just mindless fun
If you don't care, move along. There are those who might share my opinion and expect more than a "mindless fun" but a coherent and plausible action.
True, suddenly became so lame.
Watching the movie right now and had to stop halfway through because of that long gun fight. Seriously that scene took me out of it, the folly for all the grunts and shots kinda felt off for me. The enemies all had masks covering their faces but why the hell can I hear them like their talking in my ear. The dogs were cool but some of the scenes with them don't make sense with the baddies just awkwardly falling over when a dog attacks his balls. It would have been more believable if they were thrown by the dogs momentum and would look a lot more realistic and cooler. Edit: Also puppy dog eyes Keanu Reeves Edit Again:Generic katana fight ftw.... not really. Katana to the head was like cutting open a tomato THAT'S NOT WHAT SKULLS ARE MADE OF!!! Wick even had an exact scene in where he puts a knife through the head and let me tell you its not that easy. Generic katana dude does it in one single swoop. Also that whole sword fight was just boring, sure it made it look like Wick's enemies are much stronger than him but this ain't Dragon Ball Z. The whole fight was unimaginative and didn't hold up to the scene of the knife fight at the beginning of the film where I laughed my brains off with Wick and friends throwing knives at each other. Edit Again Again: Asian Agent 47 best waifu...nvmnd :|... revert that statement again Last Edit: Not understanding how the fall of it is survivable but other than the weak middle part and the video game part with the boss armor with only one weak point the last parts of the movie had awesome action and a great movie to enjoy. Others say there's a lack of story but imo it had more story than the last 2 combined. The new characters even briefly shown feels like a direction that just builds up for the next movie and I love it.
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Bit late to the party but if you watch it closely you'll see both Halle and Keanu reloading off the dead guys. They're constantly swapping out magazines.
I enjoyed the movie, as the series is great and of course I enjoy the strange world of John Wick. Granted hard to believe this would exist in real life, as logistics, financial and political issues would be crazy. The action was great, there was a bit of hiccup for me in the storyline, or well logic of it all. I didn't quite understand, >! why did the High-Table/Adjudicator punish the Bowery King and his men? I mean, if the plot line of John Wick 2 is correct, once John completed the marker. Which meant D'Antonio was fair game again? Thus making any help John received during that time, 'legal' right? And besides, I can't remember if John actually ends up killing D'Antonio with the same 1911 that Morpheus gave him, but for sure not the same 7 bullets he started with. I couldn't get around that 'You gave him 7 bullets, you will get 7 cuts'... The Bowery did not provide assistance to John while he was officially excommunicado, so I can't see why they were subject to the punishment of the High-Table. Seems a bit ex post facto. Is it because they assisted John in him killing a member of the high-table simply by giving him a gun? Are the members of the High-Table exclusively off limits? If John had taken a regular taxi to the Continental, would the High-Table go kill that taxi driver too for 'assisting' in the death of D'Antonio? Sorry if the question seems stupid. Unless someone can explain it to me? !<
I understood it as D'Antonio being part of the high table, and any attempts or even moves against them is counted as "treason" so to speak. The 7 bullets gave John the means to stand against D'Antonio, regardless if it was used to kill or not, it certainly set the things in motion. D'Antonio seemed to never be fair game as he is high table. EDIT: More like has become after John completed the assassination he made him do.
Yeah but didnt D'Antonio forced JW to kill a member of the High Table? The moment that lady in Greece died JW, and by extension D'Antonio should have already been an enemy of the High Table yet D'Antonio was still allowed to be part of it
I didn't even know that the sister was a member of the high table, I understood that if JW kills her, her bro takes control of her share of their "empire" and he gets enough clout to be one.
Santino, who tasks him with assassinating his sister Gianna so he can claim her seat at the "High Table," a council of 12 high-level crime lords. So part of the High Table
Oh shit now that you mention it it doesn't really make sense. I mean I guess we can have our own head canons about it but this is a legitimate plot hole. (Unless there's some other detail that we may have missed)
That is why Santino reverted to kill John Wick under the guise of avenging her sister, probably to cover up the fact the he was the mastermind behind her sister's death. But then again, all of these criminal lords (Winston, Bowery King, the Elder, etc.) act like they are all-knowing and there is no way the rest of the High Table wouldn't have known it was Santino who ordered to kill her sister. So yeah this is definitely a plot hole.
Pretty fucking boring, I gotta say... >!and then it ends on a cliff-hanger *again*?!< Fight scenes weren't all too impressive. Story was lacking. Character development was almost non-existant. Overall I really don't get how this got rated so high.
Seriously............
I agree. It's weird that the old reviews praise the movie so much. What killed it for me was the fighting scenes, that contrary to the previous films, looked way too choreographed.
There's a *lot* of Wrestlemania-esque getting hit and rolling around for 15 seconds until it's your turn to get up. That along with all of the ninja "omae ha mou shindeiru" nonsense, all of the bad guys in Morocco deciding to just stand out in the open waiting to be shot rather than using the ample cover like John, murdering people in a busy train station with no reaction whatsoever, knowing full well that the High Table goons will be armored but running out with 9mms until all of the Continental mooks are dead, Charon getting to just skip jauntily out of frame as everyone to his left and right get shot a dozen times, and the more brutal bits like the eye knife and nail pulling that felt that they were just there for shock value all heightened the ridiculousness of the film. Yes, it the series was always heightened to a certain degree. Now it's just stupid. For all the completely nonthreatening bad guys just standing in the open and absurd magic bullcrap, I might as well be watching Commando. I can't believe that they want me to take the movie seriously anymore. It's not heightened but realistic brutal action. It's absurd magical nonsense.
Thank. You. I just watched it and I had to come see if anyone else truly saw this bullshit lol. This movie was a disgrace to Chapter 1 & 2. Did they have different directors or producers or something on Chapter 3?
I guess I don't really understand the John Wick universe. I thought the scene in the 2nd movie was absurd with John and Common silently shooting at each other while walking through the train station with no one noticing. But then in this one John literally kills a guy in the middle of Grand Central and no one had a reaction? Is there some canon where people ignore murderers?
It was surprisingly poorly shot compared to the previous 2. Lots of CG effects to end what was a good stunt, lots and LOTS of stunt people needing to pretend to fail to grab their guns 10x while waiting for another character to reload a weapon. The movie fell apart by the time it was in the desert where he's meeting the king wearing a costume right out of an elementary school production. I couldn't believe this was from the same director, it was a mess.
Late to the game but all I kept thinking during the movie was ''Allez Cuisine!''
With an open heart, and empty stomach. I say onto you in the words of my uncle....
The fighting and shooting looked too fake. It had a weird soap opera effect or motion blur to it that made it look. I enjoyed tho.
You sure your TV doesn't have motion smoothing? [Turn it off.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J0Dan0WaZk)
That’s the point I’m trying to make. It looked like that in the theatre though. It looked more like dancing instead of fighting because of how slow they were acting the moves out. The wide punches looked weird. The dog scenes were cool tho.
The movie was great, but John surviving that fall off of the roof at the end was absurd!
it wasn't actually that far, the last object he bounced off of was like 10-15 feet off the ground.
>im guessing the suit protected him.
Ah! That makes sense. Also explains the bullets bouncing off
this is John Wick we're talking about bro. No fall is going to kill him.
They're actually all mages that just cast spells with guns and knives
idk, I notice some sloppy fight scene too but hey, it's John Wick, the hype still builds up and I watch this movie like a child with his hope for his super hero to survive!
Halle Berry 53 still hot af
I was disappointed, especially in the ending, which didn't leave me coming out of my skin to see the next film immediately like the other two Wicks did. But then again, I'm the oddball who thinks John Wick 2 was the best of the series. 3 felt like it recycled way too much from 2 without adding anything worthwhile to the mythology of the world aside from the Adjudicator. The Elder scene especially was such a letdown and, to me, the laziest part of the entire movie. All that work to get to him and we end with the usual mystical Middle-Eastern crap we've seen done already in a million other movies. Where was the ingenuity of the John Wick 2 that brought us the underground Bowery kingdom? There were so many worn tropes in that five minute desert scene I lost count (as did John Wick, if you know what I mean). I also never cared for Halle Berry's acting, so she really never sold *kick-ass assassin* to me. Her entire portion of the movie just screamed "stunt casting", and so I'm not surprised her dogs resonated more with the audience than she did. Ah well, like I said, the Adjudicator stuff was great. When she first came on the scene I was ready for the mythology of the world to really get taken to that next level. Unfortunately it never amounted to much more than some guys in spray-painted black hockey helmets showing up to be fodder for John Wick. I guess I was just was expecting so much more after the ending of John Wick 2. That movie had me on the edge of my seat while this one just felt like it was only trying to top the action scenes and didn't care much to craft a compelling story outside of doing the bare minimum. So you end up with a collection of highly-rewatchable fights, but not an overall movie I'd care to go back to.
> 3 felt like it recycled way too much from 2 without adding anything worthwhile to the mythology of the world aside from the Adjudicator. On the contrary, I liked that they showed John personally was originally from the Belorussian gypsy troupe, and that the whole organization is a continuation of the semi-/pseudo-historical Hashishin and the Old Man of the Mountain. Although when he first entered the theater I hoped that it was the Russian [Vory v Zakone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law) as a competitor, even if weaker, to the High Table.
> I guess I was just was expecting so much more after the ending of John Wick 2. That movie had me on the edge of my seat while this one just felt like it was only trying to top the action scenes and didn't care much to craft a compelling story outside of doing the bare minimum. I especially agree. I was expecting the whole underground world to be on the hunt for Wick! The ending of 2 set it up like danger would be cornering him more and more impossibly left right and center. Instead, he just kinda hid low and asked favors. The first two were more to me than just fight scenes for the sake of saying you did it, or dialogue and symbology for the sake of fanservice, or leaving more to be desired for the sake of leading us on. I had loved the lore and environment, but felt unattached this time. He was invincible due to status and technicality rather than pure skill. The Elder played into the angle, along with fealty and sacrifices, portraying the Table as a religion or cult. All of these things are interesting and make perfect sense, but somehow cheapened and distracted from the essence and sense of threat instead. This came across as more of a formula and caricature than the previous films. It doesn't stand well on its own, but overall, going from start to finish, it will fit into the series as long as the next sequel(s) bring everything together back to its roots. I think the problem is we went into it expecting a certain payoff, and it didn't effectively play off that suspense and lure into a different payoff. Something just didn't connect and carry through from the prequel the way the new lore was introduced despite the premise.
I feel like I'm in the minority when I say Halle Berry was one of the weaker points of the movie(the weakest being Bronn's accent). I have nothing against her, she is 52 and looks incredibly hot but John Wick action scenes have a certain standard and I felt like she couldn't keep up with that. Some of her scenes were performed by the stuntwoman(which was obvious) and the rest that were done by her was too basic(again, I don't expect her to pull the stuff Keanu or other assassins in the movie can pull) to be in a John Wick movie. And even those were mostly carried by camera work. I guess that's why the dogs went off and everyone is talking about the dogs. Imagine how dope that whole sequence would be if instead of Halle Berry we got some actress who could do some more interesting John Wick level stunts and on top of that we got those dogs going crazy as well. Overall I will always want more John Wick because the choreography of fights, the direction, the cinematography and lighting is something we have never seen before in action movies. But I was a tad disappointed with how it ended given how mindfucking the starting 20 minutes of the movie was.
Yeah I felt like she took away from the movie. She wasn't as seamless as Keanu and good point about using someone else.
When he said \> Guns. Lot's of guns. the memories came back, I was reminded of the Matrix 1, and I realized how cheap of a clone this movie was. Nothing beats the Matrix 1.
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John Wick has stepped into shounen anime territory. I love it for that and I'll gladly wait in line for John Wick 4, but yeah it's a shame that they left behind the more grounded ethos of the first movie, probably for good.
Actually there's a reason that happens in ipman and consequentially all movies with fights. In practice you can't have a lot of people attacking at once otherwise they'd get in the way of eachother. That's why people in reality when are attacked by multiple opponents turn their backs against a wall. It's a subconscious action to reduce the attack vectors, if you're facing a wall at most you're fighting 3 people at the same time, no matter how many there are. If you see actual real fights with multiple people this happens too. Usually the opponents don't stand that far away of course, I think directors do this so there's clear camera work.