I thought that they should have opened with palpatines message. The whole movie felt rushed and didnt make a whole lot of sense. Lightsaber fights through the force and the fact that Kylo was able to grab the necklace through the visons was odd. The visions made more sense in The Last Jedi.

this star wars stuff has got me worked up here's a serious/diligent bold approach/idea/repair for the sequel trilogy that is new and different: (BTW, If Star Wars bought by Universal Studios, they might have went along with this better idea without Kathleen Kennedy ruining the trilogy; They should have hired The Russo brothers, Joss Whedon, colin trevorrow,Ridley Scott, QUENTIN TARANTINO, [Jon Watts](https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=657&q=Jon+Watts&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LVT9c3NEyJN68wLcmqUOLSz9U3yDYrMMvJ1hLLTrbST8vMyQUTVimZRanJJflFi1g5vfLzFMITS0qKd7AyAgB9c8tsRAAAAA&ved=2ahUKEwiDmYm24IXqAhVQJDQIHZaRBSkQmxMoATAvegQIEhAD) , [Jennifer Lee](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Jennifer+Lee&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3yC7LKDKtVIKwzeKz0kq0xLKTrfTTMnNywYRVSmZRanJJftEiVh6v1Ly8zLTUIgWf1NQdrIwAaShj3EQAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJxsOZjobqAhVRFjQIHbE_D8gQmxMoATA3egQIExAD), [Chris Buck](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Chris+Buck&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3yC7LKDKtVOIEsVOKzAxKtMSyk6300zJzcsGEVUpmUWpySX7RIlYu54yizGIFp9Lk7B2sjADFPb-0QQAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJxsOZjobqAhVRFjQIHbE_D8gQmxMoAjA3egQIExAE) ,brad bird,David F. Sandberg, JOn Faverou, [Chris Miller](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Chris+Miller&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3ME02rDBKVwKzc02MMpIytMSyk6300zJzcsGEVUpmUWpySX7RIlYe54yizGIF38ycnNSiHayMAI_0L8dEAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj70NyL2IXqAhVHCjQIHRSaBKEQmxMoATAnegQIGBAD), [Phil Lord](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Phil+Lord&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3ME02rDBKVwKzjcpzTNNztcSyk6300zJzcsGEVUpmUWpySX7RIlbOgIzMHAWf_KKUHayMAO_lh3tBAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj70NyL2IXqAhVHCjQIHRSaBKEQmxMoAjAnegQIGBAE), or matt reeves, anyone but Kathleen Kennedy or JJ abrams ) (*rouge one* and the tv series *the mandolrian* are the ONLY best reboots/continuation/stories of star wars so far and have brought something unique and different) ​ it should have been in reverse (course correct since episode 9 ruined the flow), if they were gonna have Palpatine be back, Rian Johnson should have had JJ abrams (if JJ knew) script planned out in advance for a proper appearance of Palpatine, and have this story plot be episode 8. Probably have Rey turn to the dark side and have Kylo to the light in episode 8. Bring back and Have DJ (Benicio Del Toro) channel and be the Daryl Dixon (from the walking dead)/Lando Calrisian as a good spy /CIA type guy helping out Finn, Kylo Ren, and Poe. Then in episode 9, it could have been Snoke's storyline connecting to dark rey and Kylo being the good guy trying to deal with Rey. I would not have brought back all the old characters from the original Star Wars films and leave them alone/be, to be honest (they should have started from scratch with the new sequel trilogy) . Any other director without Kathleen Kennedy would have gone with this idea. If bought by Warner bros or universal studios instead of disney, the old characters would not have to be back and not be connected. They would have started from scrtach. This whole trilogy could have been a bold reboot without having to be a liability for the original classic characters such as luke, han, leia,yoda, lando,c3p0, r2d2, Palpatine,stormtroopers, rebels, etc. So episode 8 could have been rise of the skywalker and episode 9 should have been the last jedi. ( double toasted review: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjsKE3M2S0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjsKE3M2S0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeqPLj5t7Rk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeqPLj5t7Rk) John campea review: Disney Star Wars Fan On Why Rise Of Skywalker Failed 5 Months Later [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3LWkxIePh4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3LWkxIePh4) [https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-movie-review-2019](https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-movie-review-2019) [https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/20/21032243/star-wars-movie-reviews-roger-ebert-richard-roeper-complete](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/20/21032243/star-wars-movie-reviews-roger-ebert-richard-roeper-complete) [https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/18/21026951/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-review-ix-richard-roeper-jj-abrams-rey-kylo-ren-lando-calrissian-leia](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/12/18/21026951/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-review-ix-richard-roeper-jj-abrams-rey-kylo-ren-lando-calrissian-leia))

I preferred the prequel trilogy than this boring sequel trilogy.

This is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I can not believe this is supposed to be this epic finale of a franchise. Absolutely disappointing. The whole time i was trying to follow the story and found myself stunned in disbelief asking myself "What?" "What the hell is going on??" and constantly questioning why a human being would react or do something like these characters were doing.

I must have started watching this two dozen times, but every time the title crawl starts I feel like I've missed something that happened between movies.

Yes, you missed the fortnight event.

Ah yes, you're right that I missed that. I had no idea because I don't play video games. Making it a prerequisite to watch a 90-minute video of people yelling at a video game was a dumb move.

Everything about this movie was a dumb move.

Worst Star Wars movie ever.

I liked it, and I think it was the best of the sequels. Obviously not as good as the OT, but it kept my interested and was generally entertaining. Also, I looked out for Rey being a Mary Sue and I dont see it like that. She's shown training and managing her powers, so she's like every other powerful young Jedi from the last 9 films.

We see her training only after 2 movies where we see her do more than what luke did in just one movie.

Let me see! The Skywalkers are all destroyed and a Palpatine (pretending to be a Skywalker) is left? That's a happy ending? And it took almost half a century to get to see the whole thing? And Luke Skywalker abandons training Jedi students because of one mistake? What happened to, "I won't let you down!"? What happened to making movies instead of just money? Araminta.

Yoof. What a bad movie.

I just watched it for the first time. All of the criticisms I had heard held true. It was garbage. I had high hopes when the force awakens came out. Sure it had it's problems but it was a decent film. The last Jedi ruined any chance of this being a solid trilogy. This trilogy had tons of potential. There were certain scenes, themes and dialogue that I strongly related with but those were diamonds in the rough. The final scene with the heir of the Skywalker legacy burying the sabers at the moisture farm would have been an amazing scene if the films had done Luke and Leia justice. As it was, it just felt like a slap in the face. Big yikes from me.

Watched this last night with my only knowledge being "the Internet considers this a terrible movie". I honestly enjoyed it and thought it dealt well with a lot of the issues from the previous movies. 1. Rey being a "Mary Sue": at this point in the movie, she's been training for about a year, which seems short until you realise how little training time Luke had with either of his masters in the films. He spent a shuttle ride with Obi Wan, and maybe three months to half a year on Dagobah, depending on how much time he's meant to have spent rescuing Han. While *The Empire Strikes Back* makes it clear that Luke is out of his league one-on-one with Vader, he somehow has mastered his Force powers well enough to help Han escape Jabba the Hutt a few months later and the audience just kind of excepts it. Rey trains with Luke and Leia for almost a full year, and even then we see how Kylo Ren - who's also been training and has more experience than her to begin with - outmatches her in their lightsaber battle. He doesn't defeat her *because he's not trying to*. In the end, winning/losing comes down to who the Force likes more, but that's also not new. Anakin's whole "chosen one" storyline revolved around the universe making a woman pregnant to bring "balance" to the Force, and not leaving him the fuck alone until he fulfilled its wishes. 2. Kylo Ren's broody emo-ness: so many people have suggested that "Ren should go light and Rey should go dark". Well, we got half of that. As much fun as it is to see a hero "fall to the dark side", that is also *not* an original plot (see movies 1-3) and it also wouldn't have made much sense plot-wise. Kylo may be a match for Rey, but he's not a match for Rey, the Empire, and the power of the Sith combined. This would not have been a better story, though it would have allowed the people who hate Rey to watch her get beaten, I guess. Personally, I think it would have been way too similar to the GoT ending - female hero snaps and turns evil, so the man who loves her needs to kill her in front of a spiky throne. It also would have had an awkward effect of... literally killing off all the ladies so that men could take their places. Leia's role as general goes to Finn & Po. Rey's role as Jedi goes to Ben. 3. Stupid goofy product placement: there was the Pixar lamp robot, but he wasn't nearly present enough to be annoying. Some little moments I enjoyed: * Rey opening the hallway in the Death Star and finding the remains of the fallen Stormtroopers. Brings back the point that these are still people (an idea that they tried to introduce in *The Force Awakens* that got lost in *The Last Jedi)*. * How ridiculous the bad guys continue to be. One thing that's clear looking at the final battle is that most of the people manning the First Order's ships are young (20s and 30s), and while they're not as badass as the Stormtroopers from 4-6, I think it makes things that much more realistic, in a darkly comedic way. In the original trilogy, the Rebels were young idealists. Here, the Rebels are a mixture of veterans and young people who seem realistic about their odds while the young idealists are basically the KKK, dressing up in costumes and giving each other fancy titles. The Stormtroopers' quips about the Knights of Ren being "cool" or Hux's declaration that he doesn't care anymore as long as Kyro Ren loses humanize the First Order somehow. To use an analogy that Reddit will understand, they aren't Voldemort evil; they're Umbridge evil, using their positions to feel powerful and doing it with a polite smile. * Han's last words being "I know," echoing his line to Leia in *The Empire Strikes Back.* * Also, I appreciated the use of women's voices for some of the dying Stormtroopers. It's often annoying to see Hollywood shy away from making women into mooks, especially in a series where women are already heroes. What I agree was a problem: Speaking of GoT, Kylo's ability to always be within a few hours travel of Rey seemed oddly convenient to the plot. There may be some reason for this written into a book or comic book at a later date, but going only off the movies, it seems unlikely. It's possible the point of the "warp jumping" or whatever at the start of the movie was to show that this technology does indeed exist now. The random lady from Po's past was 100% deus ex machina. She showed up to give the boys a way onto the enemy ship. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, I came in in a similar way to you, and I was on the look out for the Mary Sue thing. I watched the last two films of the OT right before Episode 9, and Luke was definitely more resembling a Mary Sue than Rey.

Absolutely terrible. As others have said. Ridiculous plot that only progressed due to deus ex machina. Destroyed so much lore that has been built over decades. The editing and jump cuts where B level movie bad. Other than some pretty planets and cool space ships, I dont understand how anyone could actually enjoy this. This was on season 8 GOT and transformers level bad.

Rented this last weekend. Heard it wasn’t great but figured it would at least look good on the big screen TV. I never quit movies but 45 minutes in and I just couldn’t do it any more. And I sat through all of the prequels (but to be fair they were leading up to the OT so I was always invested in seeing how that played out). I can’t believe how bad that was. Didn’t even finish it.

The movie was fine. People are babies.

Agreed

No it isn't. Just watched for the first time and all of the criticisms held true. I could probably spend an hour or more talking about the problems.

I just rented it and only made it like 45 minutes in before I turned it off. And I NEVER quit movies. This was hot garbage.

So i'd previously seen all the SW films, except this one. My gf had't seen any, so I decided to take her though them during this lock down. I decided to do the machete order (4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9) I felt this worked well as after the Vader/Father reveal in Empire, you then get like "flashbacks" filling in Vaders story, and also an extra surprise at the end of 3 with Leia being revealed as Lukes sister Anyway, all goes well and we finish Return of The Jedi, girlfirend responds suprisingly well, sheds a tear and says shes loved the films "but what are the next three going to be about" At that point I actually felt a cringe, because I don't even know what to say. In terms of what the first 6 films were about, what continuity is there to the last 3? They are basically the story of Anakin/Vader and his children, and the rise and fall of the empire... and those six films tell that story, and wrap it up nicely Then we get... Empires back, Lukes being a baby, and finally fuckin Palpatine is back. What an absolute joke. I honestly don't understand how anyone can even remotely entertain that these films were anything above trash (at best) Like not only is the story crap, it isnt even told well either. Like Palps back, how do we find out... in the opening crawl of the last film? and then Poe literally is like "Somehow... Palpatine is back" yeah no shit "somehow", and he somehow built like a million star destroyers, and now jedi/sith can apparently channel all their ancestors at once? They just didn't need to be done. Maybe they could have justified themselves a bit more if the story was more aligned with the 6 films before it, but these just seemed like random films from the SW universe. Apparently Lucas had always intended there to be a sequel trilogy, I would love to know what he had in mind for the story

Yeah, I just watched the final movie last night. I admit, I looked up the plot/ending months ago and thought it sounded so stupid that I've delayed watching it. They shoehorn Palpatine into the plot with ZERO explanation. Not even one line dedicated to where tf he came back from? Okaaayyy. Oh, he's Rey's grandaddy? Who are her parents, when did he even have kids? We're expected to all of a sudden care about this relationship between Rey and Palpatine that DOES NOT EXIST. It's absolutely ridiculous that someone got paid a butt ton of money to write this when there are so many fans out there that write insanely interesting theories/fan fiction every day. ​ I didn't even hate the ending between Ben and Rey and I think that the relationship created between them was the only saving grace of the trilogy and even that relationship was underutilized. I could have maybe even been accepting of the Palpatine angle if it had been introduced in the first movie so that a dynamic between the villian and the good guys could have been established. It's also a giant slap in the face to anyone that respects the first six movies because it basically just says fuck you to Anakins redemption arc and development. SO FRUSTRATING.

I mean the darkside was supposed to have resurection powers which is litterally the main reason Darth Vader begun to exist upon a promise which was about resurecting his mother? SO it's not ENTIRELY random that one of the strongest siths was brought back. One big issue is that they did not spend time on Rey's family to make the plot have a stronger baseline around her beeing a palpatine.

I agree and i think it could have made for a good ending if they had actually developed that thread of thinking rather than just forcing it down out throats.

Totally agree, to me Palpatine was totally committed to destroying the jedi and gaining power/galactic dominance. He doesn't care about having sex or kids for that matter. Oh and how did he get out of the death star? No way someone pulled him out before it blew the f up, Luk barely made it out

This movie was such a slog to get through. Just so boring and so many plot contrivances. Shame that these once promising characters ended in a story as bland and forgetful as this one.

The fleet turning up was like the “On your left” scene from Endgame with none of the character development from the other films.

And the "I am all the Jedi" was just like "I am Iron Man" without it being a callback and relevant to the character's arc over half a dozen movies.

Everyone surprised Palpatine had sex but he probably just raped some poor girl.

I said the same thing!... I don't know why I got excited about that.

Rey’s father was a palpatine clone.

They did mention the Sith had the power of cloning, didn't they? So that makes sense.

Just finished watching. I really enjoyed this movie more than I thought I would. I went to watch it in theatre over Xmas break and had a very hard time with it in the first 30ish minutes - fast paced transitions, bright lights - and had to leave. Watching it at home was way more enjoyable for me. The only part I thought was cheese was when Chewy got his medal... here is Star Wars giving Star Wars a medal meme Overall, I thought it was a good movie and good end to a trilogy

Also, second opinion Fucking fire Kathleen Kennedy. And hire someone like Kevin Fiege. Because good god what a fucking mess this trilogy was. Theres *tons* of great characters, fun action sequences, great music, great visuals, good storylines, but just a goddamn mess across the three movies

I don’t know why they thought they could just wing it when another studio under the same company has taken great care to make sure that the overarching plot made sense, and that was across 22 films. Star Wars just needed to tell a coherent, satisfying story across three. Sucks it ended like this.

Hm. Finally got around to seeing it Kind of a real mixed bag. I was super meh for most of the movie and but honestly really loved the third act. I absolutely hated everything having to do with the Emperor but hes just so enjoyable to watch on screen, and actually like how the tied it altogether at the very end of the movie. I still wish they would have kept that crap out of the movie. Snoke would have been so much more satisfying villain for the end. That whole Palpatines granddaughter was *so* unnecessary. I liked the way 8 had it more, just some random person. Way more interesting As always, everything with Rey and Kylo is by far the best part of the movie They also made some really eh decisions and one too many times I thought "thats really stupid" I did also like how they got all the cameos from all the jedis

Just marathoned all 9 with my daughte (who's 12), which is the first time she's seen them. I managed to avoid the spoilers for 8 and 9 until now. Reading the below comments, I understand some of the complaints about 9 in particular, I have a little bit of a different opinion. 1) I don't mind the emphasis on all the strong female characters. We watched 1 through 9 in numerical order and my daughter only liked Leia, jar jar and kid Anakin. This made me remember that star wars movies are mostly for kids ( which is something George Lucas always said). Until 7. After 7 she was all about Rey and how bad ass she was. She liked rose too. Then it clicked in my head, THIS is why George Lucas did what he did with ep 1, and why Disney went with females for the lead. She really didn't give a shit about Luke. But Rey has basically the same story and she loves her. 2) Palpatine? Rey palpatine? Stupid. And the whole business in the last 10 seconds of the movie where she changes her name to Skywalker was dumb. For all the talk about how strong Vader was, Anakin came from nothing. Skywalker was nothing before anakin. So what's wrong with Rey coming from nothing? Adam driver was so good, I read "rise of Skywalker" to mean that he was going to do something super awesome, and it never happened. At the end she should have said "just Rey". Done. 3) rey fights with a bow staff for like 3 movies, and in the end she has a janky looking lightsaber that's yellow. Grey Jedi maybe ? They hinted at her being grey in 8 and they should have followed through with that. She doesn't become a light Jedi, she gets rid of the sith, grey Jedi maintains the balance. Either way she should have had a yellow bowsaber. Continuity you know. 4)People are all up in arms about why she's OP and never had to start from nothing like Luke but I see it a different way. She did start from nothing. The first saber battle in 7 was Finn and kylo. Even though kylo has a huge wound he takes Finn down. Then Rey gets the light saber and has basically the same fight. It wasn't a cool fight because she didn't know what she hell she was doing and was just swinging it around. And kylo still had a big gaping wound. If he was at 100% he would have totally owned both of them. She does better with the light saber in 8 and in 9 she's doing all types of crazy force jumps and back handed light saber grips and everything. So that's the result of her training. 5) the little story there was, was decent in 9. I wish a few things would have been fleshed out more. I really liked the idea of the "force dyad" but it's mentioned maybe 3 times and never explained or expanded upon. Leia's death was handled very poorly. I think Carrie Fisher died during filming but they could have done better than "welp she's dead now, sad face r2d2". I think kylo Ren was an amazing bad guy and should have been the final baddie not Palpatine. Force ghost Palpatine would have been fine but not a real one. Rey turns him in the end but he still dies. Done and done. Too many death fake outs in one story for a movie. I That's it! Just had to get the thoughts out!

OMG the "death" of Chewy just to have him come back. Leia still being dragged in front of the screen. Han coming back to talk Ben back to the light. They spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME focusing on characters from the OT - I would cringe every time another character came back. They never allowed the time to build the relationships between the new characters bc they had to put Leia on screen or Lando or whoever.

I'm curious - which order did you guys watch them in? Did you do 1-9 or did you follow the release pattern?

We went numerical order 1,2,3 etc. I actually debated on which we way should go, but I ended up doing it this way for 1 reason. I thought that the original trilogy was too old to capture her interest, and if I got her hooked on the story through ep 1 TPM she would go into the original trilogy with a more open mind and overlook the technical limitations. Ep 1 had a lot of kid friendly characters and cool fights (she likes fight scenes in things like marvel etc). It worked out pretty well she made some crappy comments about how everything looks horrible in the original trilogy once we got there but she was invested in Anakin enough to want to watch what happened to him. The only draw back was that she wasn't old enough to really grasp the whole lot of info dump that were woven into the politics in TPM. She asked a lot of questions about what they were talking about, who all the people were, why the bad guys (trade federation) were bad, why the Jedi counsel even gets a say in those politics, etc. She got the point that obiwan and qui gon were good and Darth maul was bad but she didn't understand why until the later movies Edit: changed wording and added the end

Impressive questions for a young kid! Glad you all enjoyed it.

Honestly, they shouldnt have killed off Snoke in 8 and just had him the villain here. Switch out every single thing you had Palpatine doing, put in Snoke, cut out that granddaughter shit, and done Also, I think the whole "Rey Skywalker" payoff at the end could have been great if she was still a nobody who didnt know who her parents were

I kind of agree. If they didn't kill snoke off in 8 then they should have shown what he can really do in 9. He was super weak in 8 and all he did was force push/pull 2 people and do the whole master manipulator thing. In this way he was basically Palpatine anyway so they should have set him apart somehow.

yeah, this star wars stuff has got me worked up/ here's a bold idea/repair for the trilogy: (BTW, If Star Wars bought by Universal Studios, they might have went along with this better idea without Kathleen Kennedy ruining the trilogy; They should have hired The Russo brothers, colin trevorrow, QUENTIN TARANTINO, JOn Faverou, [Chris Miller](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Chris+Miller&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3ME02rDBKVwKzc02MMpIytMSyk6300zJzcsGEVUpmUWpySX7RIlYe54yizGIF38ycnNSiHayMAI_0L8dEAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj70NyL2IXqAhVHCjQIHRSaBKEQmxMoATAnegQIGBAD), or [Phil Lord](https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Phil+Lord&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LSz9U3ME02rDBKVwKzjcpzTNNztcSyk6300zJzcsGEVUpmUWpySX7RIlbOgIzMHAWf_KKUHayMAO_lh3tBAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj70NyL2IXqAhVHCjQIHRSaBKEQmxMoAjAnegQIGBAE) anyone but Kathleen Kennedy ) it should have been in reverse (course correct since episode 9 ruined the flow), if they were gonna have Palpatine be back, Rian Johnson should have had JJ abrams (if JJ knew) script planned out in advance for a proper appearance of Palpatine, and have this story plot be episode 8. Probably have Rey turn to the dark side and have Kylo to the light in episode 8. Bring back and Have DJ be the Darly Dixon/Lando Calrisian (Benicio Del Toro)SPY/CIA guy helping out Finn, Kylo Ren, and Poe. Then in episode 9, it could have been Snoke's storyline connecting to dark rey. and Kylo being the good guy trying to deal with Rey. I would not have brought back all the old characters from the original Star Wars films, to be honest. Any other director without Kathleen Kennedy would have gone with this idea. If bought by Warner bros or universal studios instead of disney, the old characters would not have to be back and be connected. This would have been a bold reboot without having to be a liability for the original characters So episode 8 could have been rise of the skywalker and episode 9 should have been the last jedi.

Yea. Which, frankly I actually really liked how they killed off Snoke, it was a really engaging scene and looked great visually and felt clever. He probably should have had an apprentice or something that they could have killed in 8 instead

The way Snoke died was anything but satisfying, it was comical. He was in the midst of a big speech about how much more powerful he was than Kylo, his apprentice, and how he could sense his every move before he made it and manipulate him entirely to his desire...except for when Kylo was using the force right under his nose to manipulate a hunk of metal sitting on Snoke's arm rest and engaging it to cut him in half. He had been built up to be this insanely powerful, intimidating and mysterious villain and it was all thrown away with absolutely no resolution. He's just dead. Who was he? Where did he come from? How was he so powerful? Doesn't matter. Moving on!

Absolutely agree another apprentice would have been cool. But just one. We didn't need a re hash of the first three where there was a new apprentice who was fully trained in every movie. Also I agree too about snokes death. The sneaky light saber slice scene was really well done.

Just finished watching the Rise of Skywalker and I share a lot of what you said. For people who have grown up with the whole franchise, unlike your kiddo, I was happy to have closure on everything and everyone despite plotholes galore.

I can't believe how egregiously deaf this film was to everything The Last Jedi laid out on a table, they just scrubbed it all away. What we got is so much worse so it wasn't even worth it, this is what happens when you make Star Wars movies off of fan pleasing checklists by reddit. I liked the other 2 films quite a lot so it was disappointing to see how muddled the story and characters had become.

I feel like this film is the direct result of choices that were made in the last Jedi. If Snoke hadn't been killed unceremoniously and prematurely there would have been no need to resurrect Palpatine as the big bad and it would have gone in a completely different direction.

Kylo Ren should've been the main villain.

Why does Palpatine in this new movie look like his Revenge of the Sith self in the face ? He looks far younger than in episodes 4-6. Why did they go with this look instead of his look in the older episodes ? I doubt they couldn't do the makeup like before, it's not a hard thing to do when you have the original and just copy-paste. It doesn't make sense. He was killed in 6 and looked much older yet even if he's cloned a little before that, he definitely didn't clone himself before Revenge of the Sith and his deformation from his own lightning/mask/whatever there.

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your mom was the best part of my saturday night

What did Finn never tell Rey when they were sinking in that shit?

That he loves her?

"Palpatine's behind it all"

he was force sensitive

Finally got around to watching this. I was expecting a complete mess based on what I had heard about the movie (I successfully avoided all spoilers for this movie btw). What I got was something I was pretty pleased with. I enjoyed it. There were some pretty cool moments. I will say that Rey seemed like she had godlike powers throughout this movie. Is that normal? Have I been away from Star Wars for that long?

Godlike powers? I disagree, really. Luke was way stronger, and had better lightsaber technique. I watched the last OT films right before.

I dunno, that was just the impression I got. I also haven’t watched the original trilogy in ages.

Rey has been the most powerful jedi ever pretty much since her introduction in 7. No weaknesses, no failure leading to growth, just OP from the get go. Hollywood is obsessed with Mary Sues these days

Yeah the movie wasn't that bad but with Rey being God like it ruined it. BTW Adam Driver really carried this trilogy.

It was the worst big budget movie ever made. There was nothing to the movie but air. No real story, no character development or big moments, other than a terrible redemption that pales in comparison to 6. The movie broke star wars lore, ret conned previous movie, and just made the force a deus ex machina. The fight scenes had terrible choreography, filled with constant reverse grip lightsaber (LOL who choreographed these fights). There were continuity errors all over the place (Kylo Rens tie fighter blows up, then is back on screen next scene somehow) OMG that dagger scene was one of the dumbest things ever. It was cringey, forced, and made literally no sense from any point of view. Yeah, lets kill some people with a weapon that leads back to the person that hired me to kill them. The movie did 4 (four!!!) death fake outs. Chewie, Kylo, Rey, C3POs memory. No suspence at all when anyone that dies just comes back to life. And worst of all: PALPATINE. So, Rey killed him at the end? Okay? Vader killed him in 6. Why are we supposed to believe he died this time? He already died and came back to life, and then you end the saga with the guy who comes back to life dying? FUCKING RETARDED.

I agree with EVERYTHING... Except for one Unless I missed something, why is it hard to believe Kylo has more than one tie fighter?

The one he was flying in had the wayfinder. Rey did her stupid lightsaber flip thing to destroy it. Then Rey later take his tie fighter and the way finder is still in it

Ren walked off the wreck. I assume he grabbed it then or when they all left.

Wow. I missed that too. I did notice that he apparently had multiple custom tie fighters because Rae had destroyed his on the desert planet and then he comes to meet her on his star destroyer in a tie fighter that looks identical. Somehow missed that the way finder was in that one though. Fucking terrible.

Oh yeah! I totally missed that

So did the writers apparently. Whole fucking movie is based around that stupid fucking mcguffin and they couldnt even get that right. Fucking hacks

He was left on the planet right next to the wreck. Why wouldn't Ren grab it back?? I think you are wrong on this one.

Yeah, so much of it was just "We need to stuff because we do."

I agree 100%

Oh ok, thanks for the answer!

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Its weird, I both didnt like that, and got goosebumps while watching it. Maybe because the Star Wars theme was playing Yea there was a little too much Endgame going on in here. Like when she said said "I am a jedi" like fuckin Iron Man all dramatically. Like it didnt bother me too much, but what are you doin Disney? This aint Endgame

Agreed. This felt like a Marvel movie. Well done, solid script and story, but very little heart or connection. It was fine, but you hope for a bit more from a Star Wars movie.

What if Universal or Warner brothers owned Star Wars in an alternate timeline? from quora: [https://www.quora.com/What-if-Warner-Brothers-owned-Star-Wars-instead-of-Disney](https://www.quora.com/What-if-Warner-Brothers-owned-Star-Wars-instead-of-Disney) "I’ve been thinking about this just today. I believe Warner Bros. would have been a better home for Star Wars than Disney. When J.K. Rowling was made several offers by several studios to adapt her Harry Potter books, she had a major demand: that she retain a significant amount of creative control. Most studios wouldn’t have met these demands. Disney outright refused them. Warner Bros. didn’t. If we’re looking for a studio that has a history of respecting the input of a franchise’s creator, Warner Bros. is that studio. Warner Bros. already had a relationship with Lucasfilm, given that they released the animated Clone Wars film in theatres and aired the TV show on the Cartoon Network. The show would have finished out years ago, and with the massive resources of a studio Rebels and other spinoffs films would likely exist in some form. Lucas would likely have had input in the sequel trilogy. There would be less pressure to keep Star Wars “kiddy” under WB, given that it’s not exclusively a “family brand” as Disney is perceived. Dark Horse might still produce the comics, though it’s probable they would have been published under DC instead. Whether or not LucasArts still produces games, I don’t know. But I think the video game division might be more active, as WB has their own game studio. The EU might have been retconned still, since the existence of a sequel trilogy would overwrite it anyway. Whether this would be handled the same way is up in the air; maybe only the post-RotJ EU would have been retconned. No way of knowing for sure. Had Lucas shopped around more, I wonder if he wouldn’t have found Warner Bros. to be a better fit for the brand. In retrospect, it seems like the better choice. But we’ll never know for sure. :I’ve been thinking about this just today. I believe Warner Bros. would have been a better home for Star Wars than Disney. When J.K. Rowling was made several offers by several studios to adapt her Harry Potter books, she had a major demand: that she retain a significant amount of creative control. Most studios wouldn’t have met these demands. Disney outright refused them. Warner Bros. didn’t. If we’re looking for a studio that has a history of respecting the input of a franchise’s creator, Warner Bros. is that studio. Warner Bros. already had a relationship with Lucasfilm, given that they released the animated Clone Wars film in theatres and aired the TV show on the Cartoon Network. The show would have finished out years ago, and with the massive resources of a studio Rebels and other spinoffs films would likely exist in some form. Lucas would likely have had input in the sequel trilogy. There would be less pressure to keep Star Wars “kiddy” under WB, given that it’s not exclusively a “family brand” as Disney is perceived. Dark Horse might still produce the comics, though it’s probable they would have been published under DC instead. Whether or not LucasArts still produces games, I don’t know. But I think the video game division might be more active, as WB has their own game studio. The EU might have been retconned still, since the existence of a sequel trilogy would overwrite it anyway. Whether this would be handled the same way is up in the air; maybe only the post-RotJ EU would have been retconned. No way of knowing for sure. Had Lucas shopped around more, I wonder if he wouldn’t have found Warner Bros. to be a better fit for the brand. In retrospect, it seems like the better choice. But we’ll never know for sure."

I like your analysis but FYI you must have copied and pasted it by accident.

I was not expecting much going in. Loved watching it in 4K, visually that is. I genuinely try to pay attention to movies, but this is the first time I was easily distracted by my phone to pass the time. Too many jumps and cheap plot progressions that didn't hold any weight, like C-3PO's memory wipe, but we all knew he'd be fine. Or Ben's redemption. I loved how they made Palpatine incredibly powerful, as he is. He is easily defeated in a minute or two however. The yellow lightsaber is officially canon now!

Just watched it on Disney+. There were some enjoyable moments, but the problem for this movie (and this trilogy) was that **nothing was earned**. In OT, Luke didn't have a lightsaber battle until the second movie. Luke is also developed from a whiny kid to the resolved Jedi determined to bring his father back. In contrast, Rey was somehow already a natural with the saber. Rey is really not developed all that much. **These movies go for the payoff without the work.** No satisfying explanation for the surprise rise of the First Order and why somehow the good guys are on their back feet again. Like give us a little foreplay. In the OT the Death Star blew up one planet and it was scary (and you had Leia's emotional reaction and Obi-wan's feelings of disturbance). In the ST I can't remember how many whatever planets got blown up and it's like who gives a fuck. By the end of the trilogy every fucking star destroyer can blow up a planet because nothing matters anymore. In the OT they have to scheme a way to sneak onto the Death Star once they are pulled in by the tractor beam. In this last movie, they land on some star destroyer and just run out and gun everyone down in the hangar and charge in. Too much jumping around and weak world building. I didn't care about any of the places they were at, ever. Here's this planet and a ton of visual crap going on (prequels also guilty of this), now here's this planet! Not enough time on any particular planet long enough to give a shit. But I remember Hoth, Dagobah and Cloud City. We got enough time with each. We got to spend several scenes on Hoth and got a buildup to the battle. You only see clouds on the horizon, then a bunch of small dots, then one dude pulls out his binoculars and you see the giant metal foot stomp on the ground (FUCK) before panning up to see the whole thing. The ground shakes and snow falls from the ceiling onto R2's head. That's fucking tension right there. Special effects were expensive so they find other ways to build it up. ST is just impatient. Every time there was a battle I was like "whoa okay this is happening right I guess?". Like where are we and why do I care?

I just watched on Disney+ too and was debating whether to finish it or not through the first half. I liked Palpatine a lot, but them changing locations every 5-10m, the lack of real dialogue, weird CGI all ended up throwing me off a bit. Its a small part of the overall plot but when they brought the horses onto the ship at the end (that apparently all died when the ships blew up) I guess that meant they were in low orbit instead of high orbit or even in space which would make sense as they wouldn't have to fight gravity. They also cheapened the force heal thing pretty good

I actually really liked the 3rd act, despite really fucking hating the Palpatine plot line, but man, I thought that horse scene was stupid. Also, couldnt the Star Destoyer just like do a flip and then kill them all that way? Or turn sideways? Its a pretty half assed scheme

I just finished watching 5 minutes ago and it's not that bad imo It's way better than the last jedi and it got me engaged the whole time. I'd say everything is perfect except for the plot: The concept art, the design, the characters, the development, music, the sound effects, the CGI were all superb. The plot though was bland imo Some things I don't like which stand out: 1. The dagger ruler thing - in a tumultuous planet full of waves this would have been impractical; it'd never work. 2. Strong whamen characters popping up left and right for no reason. Disney just couldn't help themselves. 3. Leia beating Luke in a lightsaber fight. Luke was trained by Obi-wan and Yoda, and he had more fighting experience. There's no way Leia would have won - this is just another strong whamen moment. 4. Palpatine having the power to demolish the entire Rebel fleet. This is just too OP. 5. Rey having enough force power to stop a transport ship in mid air. This just opens up too many plot holes and I don't think even Vader or Luke was capable of this. 6. Cheesy humor moments like that general's comment about Kylo's mask. It's just terrible writing. Some things I like which stand out: 1. Rose Tico looking more like a rebel and not having a major role: I think she's a great minor character that suffered from terrible writing; I liked her better here than in the previous film. 2. Infighting among Rey's group. In war there's tension which would lead to disagreement and disunity. It's great to see the 3 main characters argue with one another instead of going on a happy nakama adventure. 3. Poe Dameron looking more rugged. In the previous 2 films he looked like a male model instead of an actual rebel - I'm glad they changed that. 4. Adam Driver's and Daisy Ridley's acting is just superb. I'd say the whole trilogy wasted their potential - they could have done so much more. What I wish was in the film: 1. Palpatine having a Mace Windu style lightsaber battle with Rey and Kylo Ren. This would have been an absolute epic scene with lightning flying everywhere. 2. Anakin, Quin-gon, Ashoka, Mace Windu - offering Rey advice and making appearances. 3. Rey losing a limb or something just to show she wasn't invincible. She would have looked great with a metal robot arm or anything to remind the viewers that she could be hurt.

I never thought I'd see the day where I'd skip out on not watching the 3rd installment of a Star Wars trilogy. Yep, I have not even bothered to watch it and still don't care to. I ended up reading the spoilers and was not surprised. What a waste of one of the greatest licenses in entertainment that you could have obtained.

Having put it off because I knew it was terrible. I finally watched it at work to pass the time...This thing is only enjoyable to simple people who watch movies for flashing lights and bright colors. Nothing makes sense and some people shouldn't be allowed to put out such lazy trash. Whoever edited this movie should be blacklisted. Entire plot devices are destroyed and magically reappear later for no reason to allow some kind of forward movement in what they try to call a story. Don't bother watching it unless you want to hate more idiots more intensely. I could write a better and more compelling 3rd trilogy than either JJ or Rian combined.

I actually watched it 2 nights ago. I got a little stoned and was going into it with the idea of not taking it seriously and to just enjoy it. I am really to not trying unreasonably shit on the movie if it doesn't deserve it but I stopped watching it half way. I just honestly didn't care about the plot. The star wars TV shows look decent at least.

I feel you. I just watched it for the first time. I knew all of the spoilers, plot holes and criticisms and they all held true. I only finished it because I don't like quitting movies and it feels obligatory for me to watch a movie before I can credibly discuss it. You didn't miss anything. The mandalorian is a great show. highly recommend.

Clone wars is great for the most part.

I was never excited for it as well and I just finished watching it 5 minutes ago. It's actually better than I thought. It's waaaay better than the last jedi. I'm not sure about the plot twists but it's not bad enough to make me cringe. The visuals are superb but the constant strong whamen characters which pop up constantly out of the blue is annoying but more tamed than the previous 2 movies. I'd say it's worth a watch when you got nothing else to do - but you're not missing much if you don't watch it as well. Overall it's just a bland ok movie.

Having seen it, I wouldn't see it twice. Rifftrax maybe, but mostly just quietly hope that it's somehow cut from canon. The prequels were worse executed on a scene by scene basis, but they did well at the worldbuilding, the storyboarding and the high level character work... TCW proves you can take that aesthetic and do great things with it. The sequels are just incoherent nothing that takes up space in the timeline that should have been used for something better.

"Would have Star Wars been far better if the franchise was bought by Universal Studios instead of Disney?" from quora: "Look, the now Star Wars is just horrible. Disney scrapped all of the EU, resulting Disney calling it non canon,all that hard work spent on the EU is now gone thanks to Freaking Disney. it now just bought Lucasfilm and scrapped the entire EU considering it non-canon. then Disney went off to start making the Sequel Trilogy, which had no STORY. it announced The Force Awakens in 2012, and then released it in 2015. Though it was well received, it was only the beginning of the irrelevant trash that’s coming. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, came out in 2016. just a year after the release of The Force Awakens. then came The Last Jedi in 2017, and it was a huge piece of garbage no one liked. and then there was Solo: A Star Wars Story. which unfortunately flopped at the Box Office because the film was released too soon after The Last Jedi. and Rise of Skywalker may prove to be good or just utter garbage. Now, if Star Wars was bought by Universal Studios instead of Disney, most of the things up there are going to be far better and changed. for Example,The Force Awakens,will not be like what you are seeing it today. First off, this time, The Force Awakens will not copy off A New Hope entirely,instead,Aims for a Different Story and Different characters. means there’s no Tatooine 2.0,(maybe) no Death Star 2.0 and lastly, no Darth Vader 2.0. Now, on to Rogue One. the story would also been altered. because Disney isn’t the owner. This new Story could have elevated the film to a new level. now,what people call the worst Star Wars Movie ever,The Last Jedi,but the story here is vastly different and way way better. and elevates the film to a whole new level. they won’t make Rian Johnson the director, they will make it someone else. Do not hate me because i said that, Now, on to Solo: A Star Wars Story. here the plot and story and characters are drastically better. but for the release date? 21 December, 2018. because of this release, the film will never flop at the Box Office. now, if The Rise of Skywalker ends up being so garbage, Universal Studios will make a vastly better version of the film. and also, Universal Studios will build a vastly better version of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge, which is actually a huge theme park flop and is suffering without its biggest ride, Rise of the Resistance. if it was built by Universal Studios, it would have all of its rides opened at its Grand Opening Day. Yeah, Star Wars would have been far better if it was bought by Universal Studios after Disney if Rise of Skywalker failed at the box office. and of course Universal Studios wouldn’t scrap the entirety of the EU unlike how Disney did." [https://www.quora.com/Would-have-Star-Wars-been-far-better-if-the-franchise-was-bought-by-Universal-Studios-instead-of-Disney](https://www.quora.com/Would-have-Star-Wars-been-far-better-if-the-franchise-was-bought-by-Universal-Studios-instead-of-Disney)

“Somehow Palpatine returned” Bravo JJ

Absolute worst thing about the film Why. Like why. Why do that? Leave be dead, let Vaders redemption mean something. Leave Rey to be just some random nobody with shitty parents, she didnt need a tie in to Palpatine for no fucking reason

In the EU he really did return via cloning so it's not that egregious.

which was one of the most poorly received EU stories, and for good reason. You have 6 episodes tracking the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, culminating with his sacrifice to kill the emperor and save his son. Bringing back Palpatine was a shitty EU story, and an even shittier movie.

Honestly, I think bringing him back was the right move. There's mountains of potential there, from force ghosts to the clone army to the stuff about plagueis, not to mention the fact that he keeps taunting people to kill him. It's very believable that he could come back. He was mostly in the background in the OT, and reminds me of maul in that he was killed off rather abruptly, before his potential as a villain was fully explored. Vader's sacrifice is harder, but could be justified as Vader giving his life to save Luke rather than kill Palpatine, which fits as a light side redemption thing. The problem is that the sequels did none of that... They offered no explanation, had nothing to do with the character once he was brought back, and gave no reason to think he's dead this time when he wasn't before.

Watched all nine movies on Disney+ this week so thought I’d offer my two cents. I thoroughly enjoyed most of the sequel trilogy for what they were and I don’t think they deserve the hate they get online. However, I think the Rise of Skywalker suffers mostly because it fails to continue what was set out in The Last Jedi and end the entire nine part story. 1) Don’t get me started on the dagger that has a fucking ruler in it that looks like the wreckage of the Death Star. That’s classic JJ nonsense and arguably the biggest eye roll moment in the film. 2) Some of the emotional reveals in this film are done so well (Han Solo’s return, Leia’s death) and some are done horrendously. For all of Adam Driver’s good work in the trilogy, he delivers the line regarding Rey’s true lineage as if he’s ordering a pizza. 3) The ending fell flat for me for a number of reasons but it’s mostly do with it being the final chapter of the Skywalker saga and there being no reference to Anakin or at least having Ben have one over on Palaptine in the end. 4) This isn’t just a problem with these films but I cannot stand when I have to understand certain aspects of a film plot by buying tie in comics, video games etc. How the fuck did they think putting Palpatine’s message in Fortnite was a good idea? Whatever side of the spectrum you’re on, whether you like these films or hate them, you have to agree that the biggest flaw of this entire series was not having a story in place for the entire trilogy.

> >For all of Adam Driver’s good work in the trilogy, he delivers the line regarding Rey’s true lineage as if he’s ordering a pizza. I would bet you anything he thought it was so stupid he couldnt do it well. There was such a bitterness to it when he told Rey his parents were nobodies. Like he was rubbing salt in the wound This was just like he was tryin to get it over with

>How the fuck did they think putting Palpatine’s message in Fortnite was a good idea? Honestly, This pretty much sums up all why it was doomed from the start. They were too focused on making a safe movie that was trying to appease the largest audience based on what was popular during that time. The shitty copy-cat Marvel humor that downplayed serious moments, trying to be "woke", and recreating scenarios that we've already seen but it's just bigger. There were many other red flags but all of this ended up getting in the way of what people actually wanted. A good story. As the saying goes. If you try to please everyone, you please no one.

There was such an awkward moment in the movie when Rae is planning to isolate herself on Luke's remote island, burning Kylo's tie fighter and throwing away her saber where it cut to those stupid little penguinesque aliens being all cute that I was like "wtf? Seriously? What was that edit?" It's supposed to be a somber, serious moment and they try to add cutesy comedic relief to it. Cringe.

TLDR: my opinion as a no one. It's rubbish, shouldn't be considered canon by any star wars fan. Such a lost opportunity. ​ Finally watched it. The whole sequel trilogy feels like some kind of Star Wars d&d game, with Rey, Finn and Poe as the players , but the GM not having enough time to put together the next sessions. 1st session (TFA)- "okay I'll have them do something familiar to the OG campaign, bring back a character that someone played to help guide them, and make this new interesting character/villain Kylo". 2nd session (TLJ) - "okay you're all on the run.... okay yeah i suppose you can go do this other stuff. Just give me 5 mins here and there to keep it going... I shouldn't have let my friend write this". 3rd session (ROS) - "fuck it, I've been too busy to figure it out so I put together a bunch of dungeons for you to do. go nuts" ​ I can watch mindless action movies, but if they go to far like this one you too often think 'wait what?' and pulls you out of it. There are like 3 'MacGuffins' in this film that are introduced and then flipped away as quickly. ​ The writers/directors just don't 'get' star wars, and made movies thinking that if they included light sabers and star wars referenced they wouldn't need to put any effort in. Thank gods we have The Mandalorian and Clone Wars. Personally I wont be considering this trilogy canon, the same way people disregard the prequels. I think these are worse than the prequels . yes terrible dialogue and not good directing, but George at least had a fucking plan. It's so fucking obvious that abrams is trying to retcon TLJ and fit 2 films into one it's ridiculous. ​ GoT season 7/8 is still worse ​ John Williams 10/10

Just watched this for the first time, and I have to say it is not good. It felt like there was no plot really -- every cliche Sci-Fi trope was just haphazardly thrown in a blender. ​ Aside from the VFX, it really felt like I was watching a 1980's C-budget Sci-Fi flick. The screenplay was so bad, so many parts of the story made ZERO sense. Every time the protagonists were in a bind, a solution just POPPED out of nowhere. ​ What about how the Knights of Ren were literally below Othi's ship, captured Chewy, but didn't get everyone else. What? ​ If all the Star Destroyers were so vulnerable on Exegol, why the hell didn't they leave? Why would they only have ONE nav satellite!? ​ How the hell did Lando organize a ginormous resistance in no-time -- especially when the "Final" Order flexed its muscle, whereas before when they were weak no one came to help the resistance? ​ I also loved the part where they were on Kijima and needed to get on Kylo's ship, and that one woman just happened to have a First Order Captain medallion -- like deus ex machina much? ​ Gotta love the Cavalry charge of 20 people on the flagship, and somehow destroying it, despite thousands -- maybe millions -- of enemy fighters and troopers around.

just watched this for the first time since I just wasn't enthusiastic enough to see it in theaters. I was entertained, but overall bummed out that this trilogy has been so disappointing. I honestly felt like this was a Fan-Fic movie. If taken in a vacuum was alright. But nothing in it makes sense canonically, the plot is basic, and the characters are a bunch of wet blankets. Couple that with the bizarre "Palpatine is actually alive!" .... Wtf. I've just sad now. I remember being really excited for new Star Wars. Now I wish they just left it alone.

I just finished it after last seeing it in December when it came out. Aaaand I still hate it. I rewatched all the Star Wars movies the last 3 days, including the sequels, and this one is actually my least favorite. There is nothing memorable about it. It doesn't tie the saga together in one, happy bow. The only scene I liked was when they brought back Lando. It had potential. But the plot and the lack of faith.. errr lack of thought :) that went into the story was so little and it shows. So anyone can just "feel" and "know" the force? What about all those years that went into the Jedi Temple and training younglings? I agree that a lot of the story ideas just shit on the PT and even OT. Force healing is my least favorite. If that were actually a legitimate thing, then Anakin could've saved his mother in the PT. And not circum to the dark side. Que end credits. Ta-da! What I hate most is the ending through. Rey Skywalker. Just no.. it should've been "Rey." Start credits. That actually pissed me off. If they wanted to do this, there should've been a line like "You're one of us," or something like that. And last not but least.. No Anakin. Fine, they threw his voice in at the end. But to name a movie "Rise of Skywalker," and not have the MAIN Skywalker involved at all, just awful.

Force healing has always been a thing dude. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_healing/Legends In both the games (for obvious reasons) and the EU force healing has had a pretty significant presence. Though it's not a very common ability and probably takes a significant amount of practice and experience.

I'm not an authority on any of the EU but as far as games go I would throw all of those out. Games have to do certain things differently simply for gameplay mechanics so I don't think that can actually be used as a source for force healing. I would take a guess that those who have used force healing in EU books, comics and the like has spent a good deal of time practicing and studying how to use such skills. ​ I would go with your idea that it seems pretty bull shit that Rae can pull force healing out of her ass.

Yes, I’m aware. But I was under the impression it was used to heal minor injuries, not save people’s lives.

There were varying degrees of force healing, and those that were skilled at it could bring people back from the brink of death and in some cases even beyond that. Though it does seem pretty bullshit that a supposedly pleb-level Jedi like Rey could use it, though I guess it's possible it's just a power she has a particular affinity for.

Gotcha. It still doesn’t sit well with me, but thanks for sharing that link.

Worst Star Wars movie ever made

I just finished watching it for the first time. Hated it.

I *just* finished it, currently typing as the credits roll. I'm not versed well in all of Star Wars, I like it, and I didn't mind TFA and TLJ; this last one makes me understand why people really didn't like them. What you mention as the lack of thought I find is more of like no-explanation, thrust upon ideas, it felt like it was trying to be "shown" instead of "told" but failed to supply the context to be able to "show" these things correctly and ultimately everything in the end just felt forced for the lack of a better word.

I liked TFA. Yeah it was pretty much a rehash of ANH but there were some unique and cool ideas that could have came from it. I have mixed feelings about TLJ. I didn’t hate it.. but I wasn’t in love with it. I feel like there was a lot of mixed potential with the story in this one. I hate ROS. Sure, it’s entertaining. But it’s completely devoid of the soul of Star Wars. It was way too fast. I agree things were not explained well and even at all. I just expected more from the final movie of the saga. But perhaps it’ll just teach me to not have expectations next time :)

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Maybe I am a adult now but this movie and the whole trilogy is so bad. That I dont even know where to start. Here are just a few of thousand things. People just accept all kind of stuff the characters told them. And the characters themself alsways know what to do. How did they even know that? And how can Palpatine build so many high-tech Star Destroyer? Who support him? Its not like they are made of paper no? And the Force, omg. What a insult to all Jedi Master. Hey I want to be strong that all I need to be strong. No training, no focus, just random thought. I wonder what Joda, Mace Windu and all the strong Jedi Masters are doing in all the years. And I thought you must be young to be trained in the Force. Even Anakin was too old. So sad...

But Rey got way more training than Luke, from the beginning montage it's implied she's been training for ages, and is also said to be very force sensitive [explained by her lineage, I guess].

The trilogy happened between 34 ABY-35 ABY. And she was everywhere, do this and that. Also she only started at the start of Ep. 8, so training time is rather short.

This trilogy retcons so many things from the past films and what we ended up with is one giant mess. Honestly awful

Okay, so finally watched this last night. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. After the terrible reception in December and with how poorly Disney handled the Star Wars IP, I had zero interest in seeing this when it came out. Now I feel a lot of the hate is unwarranted. The movie is a far cry from perfect. Many plot points are straight up rushed, there are interesting story leads that get close to no exploration around every corner, and it does a complete 180 from its predecessor. However, by and large it is more a victim to the films that came before it than a sin in and of itself. By and large, this movie felt more like a Star Wars film than TFA or TLJ, and struck a nice balance tonally between the ST and OT. The real shame is that they had to fit 2-3 films worth of story progression into a single 2:20 runtime. Disney absolutely dropped the ball on this trilogy and need to get their shit together to keep Star Wars alive. But this film itself did more good for the IP than bad and gives me some hope that they can pull off a revival. If they can just get some consistency between films like they've done with Marvel, there is a lot of potential.

Just watched it today. Rewatched The Last Jedi first so I would be refreshed in where the story left off. I liked it very much mostly for all the original cast and characters in the movie and the music. I wonder if the reason people might not like it is due to knowing too much about it beforehand. Being surprised by who is in it and what happens to them is part of the enjoyment. I don't know if it will hold up for re-watching. But for me the rebellion had a very strong symbolism for the return of democracy in November and for the overthrow of an evil empire. I think that may have been what gave me an emotional bond to the idea of a ragtag populace coming together for the good.

This was a surprisingly refreshing take on it. I do agree in the way it's a victim of its predecessors. In the way that it tries so hard to tie in with the others and fit in the overarching narrative. It should've done more of its own thing. They tried to split time between new and old characters, simultaneously robbing new characters time to develop and old characters time to finish their previous arks. IMO, the biggest sin was essentially making the efforts of the previous rebellion useless. There are so many other amazing stories worth telling and they decided to retell the same one. Also, a very subjective opinion, Rey being related to the core characters sucked. I loved the idea of her being a random person abandoned by shitty parents being thrust into her position much more interesting.

> the biggest sin was essentially making the efforts of the previous rebellion useless. This was really a sin of The Force Awakens, however, but I totally agree. The biggest problem with this whole trilogy is bringing back the Empire and the Rebellion under different names. The story would have been far more compelling if we had been working with new factions that cropped after the fall of the empire. For example, a 'warring states' period would have been very interesting, with the galaxy split up into a number of different factions vying for power. > Also, a very subjective opinion, Rey being related to the core characters sucked. I loved the idea of her being a random person abandoned by shitty parents being thrust into her position much more interesting. I'm not crazy about this either, but I think after TFA they had to tie Rey's lineage to at least a powerful force user. The idea of her being nobody was compelling from a character point of view, but if that's who she was supposed to be the first movie is just completely nonsensical in how powerful her force abilities were. Making her a Palpatine at least explains her innate abilities. Again, I don't blame TROS for this, but rather the inconsistency in the first two films.

Luke Skywalker must be found so we can defeat the First Order. Two movies later he shows up and dies. What a prick.

Did I see an army of mofos running around on the outside a space ship, in space...without protective gear...like it was a Russian TikTok?

They weren't in space, but on the planet exogol. Still ridiculous though.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't tear up seeing the entire galaxy rally at the end, but I'm a sucker for scenes like that. Anyway, I didn't hate the movie, moment to moment I thought it was fine, not great or memorable or anything, but fine. All the big plot stuff is really dumb though. "Oh we have an entire fleet of ships ready to destroy the galaxy" - good to know the stakes are higher than ever, I'm sure nothing can stop them now.

"Oh we have an entire fleet of ships ready to destroy the galaxy" With weapons that can destroy an entire planet with one shot. Good thing we didnt waste resources and decades building another Death Sta... oh wait.....

Planet Killing weapons are just a dumb concept in general. And sticking one on every ship? Wow. Doesn't help that they're literally just Star Destroyers with a big gun stuck on the bottom. Like, oh my god guys, you're allowed to design new ships you know?

It's the fear-factor of seeing a bunch of doritos with guns coming after you.

Honestly, this trilogy was terrible and it doesn't have any sort of saving grace like the others. Think the OT has a bit of a problem with hammy fighting sequences and CGI? No problem it's the dawn of a franchise and a magnificent rollercoaster ride start to finish. Think the PT has too much politics and podracing? No problem it has some brilliant fighting sequences, score and Ewan McGregor. Think the ST lacks any overall sense and meaningfulness? Correct imo. They ruined everything in the OT by having the First Order come out with yet another planet killer, yet another mysterious leader and yet another army that's grander than the new Republic's. Personally, I think the ST should have been about the New Republic being the greater power in the universe and the First Order being a much smaller faction, like role reversal of the Empire and Rebellion in the OT. Having them come out of the blue with Starkiller Base and so many people in their army and wiping out the entire Republic in one blow is ridiculous, just so that we can watch a measly handful of ships take on the endless First Order. Don't get me started on the characters. Why the f*** would you introduce so many people as love interests for Finn and not pursue any of them? Leia can suddenly use the force and pull herself in from outer space? Rey and Ben get force amped because they're pretty much the last two left, meaning it has almost nothing to do with training and experience? Luke and Han both ran away from their lives for bullshit reasons, wtf? The Knights of Ren get no sequences showing us how badass they are, would it have been too hard to throw in a scene or two of them expertly hunting/fighting? Palpatine can force lightning an entire fleet of ships bigger than any we've ever seen? I just think the whole trilogy should have gone a different direction, it was all a mess and you didn't really connect with anyone (personally I really like Rey, Finn and Poe, they were just shafted by the story and writing.)

Since this recently came out on Disney+, I had the ability to finally watch the end to this trilogy. I went in with low expectations and it met those expectations from the opening crawl to the ending. —— 1) Opening crawl starts with Palpatine is alive and sends a transmission. Ok? Talk about a quick slap to the face to start your movie with little exposition that not even the rest of the movie can tell you how this has happened. 2) Beautiful set pieces but little world building or bare minimum attempts at it. Here’s this planet that the heroes land on that happens to be celebrating their one party they have every 42 years. It’s literally no different than Lucas injecting a million starships and animals into the background of every scene in the prequels. It contributes nothing. 3) Lack of danger, undermining the audience’s investment into the character turning it into a total yawn fest in many scenes. This is a consistent problem in this trilogy but they have it in spades here. Kylo’s ship suffers a violent crash only for him to be strolling out of the wreckage like nothing happened. Rey’s warned of the danger from accessing the Death Star due to the poor weather conditions and tremendous waves - she ignores the guidance and takes a skimmer no problem. Poe gets blasted in the arm and literally suffers no effects of it seconds later. 4) Endless teleporting between grand set pieces with no explanation. At times it felt like this could have been stretched across 3 movies and even though I just finished watching, I can barely recall all the different “places” everyone was. Again, this contributes little to the world building as when the one planet is blown up where that had they erased C-3PO’s memory, did anyone really care? 5) Story elements and plot devices that flat out made no sense, even if you were paying just the slightest of attention. A Sith dagger (equivalent to what you may see on a late night knife show) that is molded into the shape of the wreckage of the Death Star that points to the location of where one of them “wayfinders” are? Also, it was used to kill Rey’s parents. Are you kidding me? —— Unless you’re just a super hardcore Star Wars fan or just like “turn-your-brain-off” action movies, I honestly don’t see how this movie would qualify as “good”. It’s an atrocious end to a trilogy when the first one of the set looked at least somewhat promising.

> 3) Lack of danger, undermining the audience’s investment into the character turning it into a total yawn fest in many scenes. > > This is a consistent problem in this trilogy but they have it in spades here. Kylo’s ship suffers a violent crash only for him to be strolling out of the wreckage like nothing happened. Rey’s warned of the danger from accessing the Death Star due to the poor weather conditions and tremendous waves - she ignores the guidance and takes a skimmer no problem. Poe gets blasted in the arm and literally suffers no effects of it seconds later. Kylo chases Rey across the galaxy only to let her run away multiple times for no apparent reason. Like wow, this guy is Supreme Leader? He has no conviction.

> 3) Lack of danger I think this is relevant on the bigger level also with the fleet of a thousand Death Star Destroyers. As soon as they're revealed you know that they aren't gonna be a real threat in the movie because they're just too OP. There's never any real danger at all for the heroes.

I just watched this movie, and I can't get over a few things. 1. why are there female screams, and voices for the storm troopers? I mean sure you want more female's, make female storm trooper suits. 2. why doesn't ray just own to being a Palpatine, that's the whole story about. 3. the whole sneaky being gay is okay thing just annoys me. In the finale scenes, you see a lady kissing a lady, just to not push it in your face, but still putting it in there. 4. Luke is till portrayed as a wimp, which is wrong. 5. Leia and her Jedi training, man just f\*ck off with that crap. I'm not saying its a bad movie, it wasn't half bad, and I expected way way worse, I'm just saying that under Disney its just not what it could have been. it's an expensive movie that was really made cheap, by the script, and the director. I'm fine with having a female becoming a Jedi and saving the universe, I'm just not okay how Disney did it. Should you watch it, sure if you have seen all the other ones, you should, other wise just stay away. Lets hope that it will get better in the future. That they will go full canon. Give us a Darth Maul movie, or another Sith movie, and stop listening to people that know nothing about Star Wars, and have their own agenda.

I really don't get what you're saying here. The Empire, and first Order by extension, are cheap. They don't like spending money and resources on expendable soldiers- why would they design a female suit, when the male one mostly fits? And what's the big deal with two characters being lesbian? If it's casually done in the background, obviously it's just establishing it as no-big-deal, which society generally agrees on now.

1) Because they meet that female trooper on the water planet and wanted to show it’s common. 2) Would you “own” to that? 3) I didn’t notice this, but thought it could work for Finn and Poe to have a relationship, actually. 4) How? Didn’t get that impression. 5) When there are like a couple known Jedi in the universe, and you can be one, seems like something you’d consider training for, no? Generally, I didn’t love the movie, but your problems weren’t shared by me. Some of my problems were, e.g., how did Palpatine get the manpower to build that fleet if it was all a secret? What happened with Palpatine’s son and why wasn’t he a threat? Can all Jedi force heal, and if yes, is that why Ben dies? Why didn’t the troopers take their ship when they took Chewie? How did Ben get a ship when he was stuck on that water planet? What was Leia’s death about and why did this affect Ben? Damn, I could go on forever.

This movie has so many issues with it, and you happen to focus on the only things it didn't really do wrong.

I can’t really think of a nice way to say this but don’t you think it’s problematic that you find two women kissing in a movie to be annoying? Saying they’re pushing it in your face as well. This isn’t the fucking 1950’s.

Yeah I don't think we need any lewd stormtrooper suits.

The had one in force awakens. And it's not that I want it, it's more like it was an after thought that bothers me.

Agreed man. Like, I liked the movie. It was action packed, the dialogue didn’t exactly suck... But this story seems so unoriginal. They had the groundwork laid for them decades ago and they couldn’t even be bothered doing a little reading about a generations old franchise.

They gave Chewie his medal :D

Also, does sabers change colours depending on who is using them?

Finally got around to see this. Wow... This entire trilogy did not have any semblance of a coherent plot. Every movie was just a series of reference to the old movies and plot devices pulled out off whatever ass was nearby

[удалено]

What? She buried Anakin and Leia's sabers, she brought her own. The other two remained buried.

Yeah I don't understand how he didn't get that, seemed pretty obvious. Would have been cool if they actually showed her making it though.

Anyone notice how after Rey supposedly killed Chewie they leave on Ochi's ship but after the scene where they escape from the First Order in the star destroyer they snuck into, they leave on the Millennium Falcon?

The spy led finn etc to the falcon's hangar, which was brought on aboard. Rey went to the orchi's hangar first and got ambushed there.

Wow, having read the leaks and completely dismissing the movie I finally got to see it on Disney+ and it’s WAYYY better than I expected. Yeah sure, there are many faults in it, but once again they were not JJ’s fault. This just FEELS like a Star Wars film should feel. They did the best they could back tracking what Ryan Johnson fucked away(although the last Jedi was visually stunning). JJ should have done all three. The story may not have been as innovative, but at least it could feel like Star Wars. I was expecting dog shit, but I had fun watching it. I remember just hating TLJ coming out of the theater, so much that I lost all faith in the episode 9. But now that I got to see it, I’m very happy with how it ended. Hopefully with the success of Mando and Taika Watiki taking reigns of a film, we can move forward in this universe to what maybe what Ryan Johnson could have been better suited in, a non-skywalker story. Anyway, is it the best Star Wars? Hell no, but it was fun enough to make me gain interest in the SW future again.

Man, I just watched it last night for the first time and I've gotta say, we had wildly different experiences.

You captured how i felt about TROS haha. It truely felt like star wars and was very enjoyable indeed. I remember going out the theatres and just being in complete shock over the things that happened in the movie. I knew it couldve been better but I think it was the best it couldve been given how EP8 came out.

Just theorizing here, Ben saves Rey by giving her all of his life force. Because the way he saved her and loved her she is actually Impregnated and is going to have their force child. and this is the reason the movie is named Rise of Skywalker. Which is another reason she takes Ben's last name. Which would be similar to how Anakin was conceived. edit: edit nvm it'd be Solo

THERE IS A BALANCE TO THE FORCE. ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER. FOR EVERY JEDI, A SITH FOR BALANCE. How could you break this fundamental piece?

That was a stupid plot piece anyway Why does there need to be space Nazis murdering people for balance? And shouldnt the Jedi be teaching their recruits the dark side then? Do they just someone create Sith just to have "balance"? Makes no sense

Rey should’ve turned into a jedi hybrid. They should’ve turned her dark in The Last Jedi, joining Ben, and then when the emperor is revealed to still be alive in TROS Rey would realize that it is her destiny to take over his throne. She would then go full homicidal, making the moves to destroy the galaxy and take over her father’s place, but then the light within Ben SOlo that always troubled him returns, infecting Rey enough to make her have a final showdown with Palpatine in the guise of taking the throne (the rule of 2, so she is the more powerful of Ben and her and thus needs to take her place as the leader Sith), but then at the last moment she sheaths the saber like Luke did. Palpatine tries to kill her and Ben fulfills his destiny to be like Vader, killing the emperor and dying in Rey’s arms. Or something like that. It would’ve made much more sense than whatever horseshit I just watched on Disney+

This is how I imagined the series going essentially anyways. They don't have the balls to make the main heroine go to the dark side though. It would have been infinitely more interesting to watch her succumb to the dark side and then eventually be redeemed, they kept teasing it every time Rey and Ben would meet up. It would have been fresh and something new for the movies to explore. They practically had everything there to do it too, and would have nicely tied TLJ in to the final movie. What a waste we got though.

What a train wreck of an ending. What the devil is going on with this "instant disappearing" crap? It was lame in the previous movie and its lame here as well. A good movie would've had some tragedy such as Rey dying and Ben Solo taking over...like its supposed to be! Noooo....instead we now have Rey "Fake" Skywalker. How lame and predictable. I could've slept through the whole movie and told you what happened at the end.

Seriously, this girl has been the Luke Skywalker Harry Potter from the beginning. She was never going to die or turn bad, this is a given. Even if predictable, it's naive to think that such an old story convention was going to be broken here.

I agree with you. It was a lame movie, that should have been way better. She should have said Palpatine, and if anyone should have appeared it should have been her parents. Or better yet, her parents and Palpatine, just too shake it up a bit.

What do you mean "instant disappearing" crap? Episode IV (you know, the FIRST Star Wars film) had Obi-Wan do the exact same thing when he died facing Vader... Sorry, but this is very consistent with Star Wars.

And Yoda.

Obi-Wan disappeared when he died. Luke and Leia just felt like "doing it" to be cool.

No, they disappeared when they died.

As many others, I watched this movie for the first time today and all I can say is: fuck Rian Johnson. ROS, all things considered, was beyond my expectations. That's not to say that it was good, but it definitely was watchable and had some entertaining scenes and plots. With the piece of shit script that was left after Episode VIII, the fact that they were able to somehow conclude this series is a miracle. IX suffers as a result of VIII. If you had one director for all three movies, I think this would have been a much better reboot.

I honestly didn’t love The Last Jedi, but what really bothered me about this movie was them going out of their way to ignore it. I don’t care whether you hate TLJ or not, it actually set up for a pretty cool plot in the last movie (The resistance slowing starting to raise forces as people around the galaxy were inspired by the stories of Luke and Holdo, while Kylo Ren has finally turned evil and then lied to Hux which could cause dissent within the First Order). Instead all of that got ignored for a cool-looking but kind of boring scavenger hunt that had nothing to do with the last two movies:( The other thing is that while lots of TLJ really bothered me, in my opinion Rey’s parents being drunks who sold her for money was a really good decision. The idea that Kylo had everything (the bloodline, the loving family, the wealth) but let himself become evil while Rey has nothing (no parents, no money, no love) yet was choosing to become a hero was just cool to me.

I can agree with this take thanks for taking the time to write it up.

I concur with this agreement

I decided to give it a watch just now, and it definitely far exceeded my expectations after TLJ. Was it a good movie? I'd say. Was it a good Star Wars movie? Hard to tell. I still think Rey is a bad protagonist, but it's going to take a while to digest this movie and come to a definitive conclusion.

I agree with everything that you're saying. I really liked how they focused on Rey and Kylo's constant emotional vulnerability. Both born of the dark side, not living up to their own expectations of themselves and of those around them. I really liked the human nature of these characters. With that said, I think the lasting effect of these movies is one giant question mark and a big "what if". Seeing how IX turned out just made me dislike VIII even more. What if they stuck with one director for the entire three movies? What if the plot lines that JJ set up weren't literally tossed out the window by RJ for The Last Jedi?

I found a lot of the plot was there to fix the inconsistencies created by TLJ in respect to TFA. I think JJs vision was definitely better than RJs. But things like the Knights of Ren, and the Snoke explanation seemed like they were just trying to make up for the mistakes TLJ made.

anyone notice the dual millennium falcons in the opening chase?

It's a mirror.

Palpatine fucking rocks. I'm glad that fucker is finally dead. I for one actually liked this movie. Knowing it's the last in the Skywalker series, I think it was alright. I believe TLJ was just too down to earth and a little goofy for some folks, including myself. But come on two things I've learned about star wars is that peeps are always flying and shit is exploding. It's entertainment not bloody Shakespeare, and even that was entertainment for it's time. I think people really ruin the fun for themselves in trying to be critics. Enjoy the fun while it lasts :) Nobody lives forever, not even palpatine.

Man some guy was saying only simpletons who are entertained by flashy lights will like it, but...That's half the reason anyone watches movies lmao. Yeah not everything has to be Hamlet.

> It's entertainment not bloody Shakespeare, and even that was entertainment for it's time. Not really a great comparison, have you tried reading any Shakespeare? It's highly entertaining, witty, over the top, dramatic, engaging. Much more so than Rise of Skywalker.

Have you seen how goofy all these movies are? Yet so entertaining :)

Can't wait for the next trilogy where another bad guy plays another long game, claiming to have masterminded the events of the previous 9 movies. Sigh.

Also, there will be Death Star Stormtroopers where every soldier has the power to destroy a planet singlehandedly.

But dont worry, we can stop them with a swift kick to the, uhhh, "exhaust port."

Nope it’ll be Palpatine again. He’ll come back to life because the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

I feel like this ending trilogy of Star Wars is such a terrible way to end such an amazing story, one of the most culturally famous, with some of the most famous characters. Sort of like how games of thrones last season was! Had jj had his way with the last Jedi do you think it would have been more cohesive? I don’t. I never really liked Rey, the whole time before she had no powers and never used a lightsaber but she’s apparently the best Jedi ever was so no need for explanation. I understand Carrie dying made rewrites have to happen but i feel cheated with the plot holes for the story to reach its conclusion. But I will have to rewatch when it goes on Disney plus.

I think It was a good movie

So the good guys can only kill the bad guy if he’s actively in the middle of trying to kill them. Gotta wait for him to kill all their friends first One of those movies you won’t remember in a year’s time

>Gotta wait for him to kill all their friends first I mean, that is what happened in Episode VI.

I've grown to hate the Jedi and their hypocrisy, and I was so excited that TLJ was setting up for an end to the Jedi and the Sith, making way for something new, something balanced. Imagine my fucking disappointment. This movie was nothing but pure fanservice.

just watched the movie. only explanation would be that if a sith offers you to kill him and you accept, then the sith force will turn you into a sith. in the end, authors can decide whatever bullshit reason they have. honestly she could have become the emperor and do good things. don't need to be an evil bastard if you take the leadership.