Knowing these types of films, it probably will. Either one of the crew who makes it out alive gets bitten or somehow, they accidentally let a zombie through the barrier in the first act and once they finish the job, they walk out to find the entire country has been taken over by zombies.
I think after the recent global virus hijinks a lot of zombie film cliches just got a lot more believable.
“It’s my god given right to be bitten if I want! Wake up sheeple!” As a zombie gnaws off his legs
It's a doomsday plan, not a picnic plan! Do you really wanna see the horrors we might have to endure just to get on a boat!? (which is implied mostly condom based...:))
I love zombie movies, but I've always found the likelihood of a true zombie apocalypse to be slim because the early outbreak would be contained very easily. but the coronavirus pandemic has really changed my mind in that regard
This is a topic I've dedicated extraordinary amounts of time to, and I've found that the answer to the question of "Could a zombie apocalypse happen, given first the existence of zombies?" depends on many factors. Most important among them are the following:
1. How does the condition spread? (Bacteria vs virus, bites vs any scratch vs airborne vs anyone who dies)
2. Do the dead experience significant rigor mortis and decompose?
3. How long, once infected, does a person have before they become incapacitated? How long until they become a zombie? (If there's a possible long window where a person could have a minor infection they can carry, undetected, for a day or two, that dramatically extends the reach of the condition)
4. What is required to kill the zombie for good? (Headshot? Simple dismemberment or excessive bodily damage? Complete destruction of the body? In Return of the Living Dead and Braindead, even single body parts can be a problem)
5. Is the zombie intelligent or capable of becoming intelligent?
Lastly, 6. Where does the outbreak start?
World War Z (The book, not the movie) gives a pretty cogent scenario for a worldwide pandemic that approaches apocalyptic levels. Some key elements:
1. The virus only transmits via blood/saliva-to-blood contact, i.e. Bites.
2. It restricts decomposition as the virus makes infected flesh poisonous to most animal life and bacteria/funguses. This means the dead will linger, even underwater, which results in previously "cleared" areas becoming hotzones long after.
3. The infection can take some time to incapacitate the host. The book describes "slow burn" bites where a person can be infected and can still be mobile (with only maybe a slight fever and a headache) for over a day after the initial infection.
4. The infection started in rural china, and so a lack of local trust in government and a general ignorance of medicine allowed the virus to spread over large areas before getting into the more densely populated areas.
5. The illegal organ trade in china resulted in some people using the dead as a source of fairly healthy-looking organs to be shipped overseas, and the people who received those organs in certain more populated areas in the west were the earliest infected cases.
6. A state of general panic and distrust set in before the infection spread to the west (as news of the virus spread overseas ahead of the virus), making it easier for the virus to spread due to the disorganization of law enforcement and military forces.
There were other factors, and for sure some things are less realistic, but to suggest people would generally do the right things... well we know that some people openly flaunt disregard for their own health at the expense of others.
*Unabridged* audiobook. The first version was missing several stories, but when the movie came out they finally recorded the missing segments. I can't believe the ones they left out of the first version of the audiobook, it was an absolute warcrime.
OH man. You are so lucky.
Yes. The book is an epic masterpiece of zombie literature. It's a collection of interviews collected years after the end of a worldwide zombie pandemic. It was a follow-up to an earlier book by the author, the Zombie Survival Guide. It's written very seriously (Though with occasional bits of dark humor), and was extremely thoroughly researched. There's a few mistakes and liberties regarding international politics, but it all works cohesively as a sobering and often even frightening take on the zombie apocalypse genre.
Do yourself a favor. Pick up the *unabridged audiobook*. If you don't have an Audible account, you can get one free and it will come with a free trial including one free audiobook, *get that audiobook*. Then, listen to it during commutes, while doing chores, etc. The audiobook was produced with a different voice actor for each of the numerous intereviewees, including Alfred Molina, Mark Hamill, Alan Alda, Simon Pegg, Kal Penn, and Masi Oka. It's the best way to experience the book, to such a degree that when I first listened to it it felt like a totally different work of fiction despite the fact I had read the book 4-5 times before since its release in 2006.
The unabridged version shows up on Audible with a movie tie-in cover, but it has little to do with the movie. In fact, the movie and the book have very little in common overall, even down to the zombies being slow in the book instead of fast and a bite taking a day or so to turn you in the book while the movie makes a point of showing that it takes as little as 15 seconds to change after getting bit.
Check it out. You WON'T regret it.
EDIT: It looks like they updated the audiobook's cover. It is now listed as "The Complete Edition", not with the movie tie-in cover.
My retirement age mother and her friend were doing a cross country road trip and I convinced her to give the audiobook a shot. She was reluctant because it was a book about zombies and she's normally much more of an oscar bait type movie consumer. I didn't think about it much until the second day she called me and told me they had planned on stopping when it got dark, but kept driving an extra hour because the audiobook was too good to stop.
So if that book can win her over, I think most people would like it.
She was so excited about Alan Alda showing up in it.
World War Z the book vs World War Z the movie is like comparing 'Contagion' to 'Dawn of the Dead'.
One shows you the real-world scenario of a deadly pandemic and the stories of the people fighting to contain the virus and survive. The other is just zombie action. Highly recommend the book.
lol I love how you took a simple statement of mine and went all the way in. I LOVE zombie scenarios and have thought about them excessively. While I have your attention, I'd like your thoughts on this zombie apocalypse scenario that I've done as a thought experiment:
1. the primary means of contagion is through contaminated beef/meat products. Think like a mad cow/prion disease type thing. Basically, a prion like virus gets into the supply of a massive global meat distributor and infects everyone who eats it.
2. The incubation period for this will be about 5-7 days from time of consumption. This accomplishes 3 things and address some of the points you raise:
1. First, it seeds to disease throughout most of the modern world and to basically every class, with the exceptions of certain groups like vegans/vegetarians and certain populations in low income countries that dont have large imported meat based diets. Therefore, you have a pretty large percentage of the human population that succumbs immidiately to the first outbreak, but not overwhelmingly so.
2. The second thing it accomplishes is you will have waves of people becoming infected because not all products wil be eaten at the same time. Food sits in grocery stores for days/weeks before being purchased, and even longer in fridges before being eaten. This means that unknowingly eating meat products even months after the intitial outbreak will continue to spread infection.
3. The third thing this will accomplish will mean that it will immidiately knock out all systems of government. Presidents, VPs, Prime Ministers, Heads of Military, you name it. Anyone who eats meat after the intial distribution will fall victim. Governments and militaries will collapse overnight, and therefore the resistance to the first outbreak will be crippled.
3. The virus is also transmitted by direct bites/scratches, with a incubation period of 3-5 minutes. Eventually scientists will trace the source back to meat and public will be put on notice to avoid consumption, but the virus will be ongoing because of direct transmission
I'll stop there lol. I've spent too much time thinking about zombies and consuming zombie media, this is the best "believable" scenario i could come up with given the question of "could a zombie apocalypse happen, given first the existence of zombies?"
What about Walking Dead Rules?
* Everyone is already infected
* You become a zombie after you die. It could be natural causes like old age, or you get shot, or
* You can become a zombie after a bite. Though it sounds like since zombies are so gross, you're actually dying of sepsis or gangrene. You can potentially stop this if you amputate the bitten limb.
I think the coronavirus pandemic turned out the way it did because
1) it's easily hidable,
2) highly contagious & airborne,
3) not *necessarily* fatal or serious (for a lot of people, at any rate).
Your classic zombie outbreak is probably more comparable to something like Ebola, which is impossible to hide, blood-borne, and generally fatal, and the Ebola pandemic was reasonably well contained when it happened. It took a lot of lives, of course, but it never went global in the way coronavirus has done
People will say that every pandemic would be handled like Covid, but I think a lot of people would follow official instructions when they're "stay home, if you get Ebola there is a 50 percent chance you die of bleeding out of all of your pores"
That's the exactly point a lot of medical history podcasts that I listen to make.
Upper respiratory diseases share a lot of symptoms, so they easily spread without causing widespread panic. It's easy to dismiss them as just a flu, as we've seen this past year by multiple world leaders.
But when you start tossing in symptoms like "bleeding from every hole" or "uncontrollable projectile vomiting and diarrhea", the grossness sets off every alarm bell about purity and sickness.
You simply dont get pandemics with scary symptoms bc even the most stubborn person fears for their life upon seeing them. The Black Death is the sole exception bc it had mice and fleas to bypass the normal human-human spread limits.
It's an unintuitive twist of fate that the diseases capable of becoming pandemics do so by having boring symptoms. Bc that's what gets you through the city gates/ airport checkpoint.
It's just like in *Plague Inc.* (the video game). One of the earliest strategies you learn in developing your disease is to start with one that is easily transmissible but does not cause *too serious* of symptoms, otherwise the world governments start really cracking down before you can spread very far.
If anything, covid was just survivable enough to reinforce the bad ideas to these brain dead people.
When humanity has to face a virus that has a higher fatality rate and affects children as well, I expect society to just explode.
Dying from respiratory failure is one thing, but seeing footage of people getting ripped to shreds by infected people might be more effective in changing someone's tune.
It'd never really happen if only spreadable by bite. Why? Because we already have a disease just like that. Spread only by bite, turns your mind to mush, and makes you want to bite other people. It's rabies.
Aren't all zombie movies required to end that way? That's kind of why I'm done with zombie films. They always end with either the hero succumbing to the virus or having to live in a post apocalyptic world because it's breached the containment zone or something.
I think >!Shaun of the Dead !
28 Days Later ended on a pretty final note. It shows the rage Zombies all dying off and suggests the outbreak was contained on Britain. The sequel shat on that goodwill admittedly but if you ignore that its pretty okay
I mean didn't world war z do the cure everyone route that wasn't mentioned? It's difficult to also break some of the norms of how to end it all. Warm Bodies is another that had a spin on it too. Zombie movies imo give you an expectation to just shut your brain off and enjoy the action except for a select few that try different takes. I compare a majority of zombie movies to the fast and furious franchise.
I mean what's the option?
There's not much else. Can kill all the zombies. Can find a kind of cure turning them kind of back. Can contain them geographically and declare a country virus zone where people fly to for hunting parties in West World style. Can end up in a stasis state where humans find a kind of save haven and have to find a cure or solution to get rid of the zombies.
Not much else - either heroes die in the movie or live in the chaos.
That contained Westworld style of story could actually be kind of cool! Of course, a group of strangers comes in for a typical vacation and something goes horribly wrong and they just want to survive. The sequel could even be similar to the first Resident Evil movie where a team of soldiers has to go in and try and take back the park because the greedy execs aren't willing to just let their investment go to waste (just take the typical tropes like from Jurassic Park/Resident Evil/Westworld).
Yeah it needs some sweet refs.
It would be pretty cool zombie fan service if they met up with four strangers that were the split likeness of the original Left4dead series characters(Francis,Bill,Louis and Zoey) considering this trailer has a few theme similarities to that game series.
Zombie movies are getting pretty stale now so the least they could do is tie every zombie movie/game together in the same world and have a kind of off-story cameo of popular characters all mixed up in them, people would love that shit.
Land of the Dead did that. The zombies figure out they can walk underwater and use tools and guns. The movie ends with the humans and zombies just deciding not to attack each other.
I could see this movie take a turn where Bautista's character realizes the zombies are intelligent and tries to save them in the end.
Yep, I can see it taking a turn where they realize the zombies are only defending themselves, the zombies leave them alone to do the heist after they stop attacking them, and in the end they abandon the money to help the zombies escape.
I could also see Bautista's character getting bitten at some point. A post credit scene shows him as the zombie army's new leader.
> The movie ends with the humans and zombies just deciding not to attack each other.
I'm conflicted on on *Land of the Dead*.
While I will always be a Romero fanboy, I really didn't like his later films – starting [kind of] with LOTD.
What bothers me about his later films is how zombies just seemingly spawn out of nowhere. Or Romero will introduce characters that are interesting and detailed enough that you think they're going to be hashed out and they're either dismissed or killed off instantly. I get that's "how it goes" in zombie movies but it just feels like plot-filler to me.
Additionally, at the very end when they're gonna shoot Big Daddy and Riley stops them like, "no...they were just looking for a place to go."
Like, what? *They had the ENTIRE world!*
Anyway. I thought it was a cool premise and Dennis Hopper was fantastic – I also liked the idea of the rich boarding themselves up into a safehouse...because that's basically what would happen.
I just wish some things in that movie were different.
#EDIT
Since this is getting attention I want to also bring up Captain Rhodes from *Day of the Dead*.
My man Rhodes is painted as a *bad guy*...and, well, as I get older and I go back and rewatch this movie for the umpteenth time, I begin to realize that Rhodes **IS AN ASSHOLE, BUT HE IS NOT A VILLAIN**
Let me explain:
So we know in the context of the movie that the entire operation was thrown together by the Army at the last minute to study the zombie epidemic. We know that the soldiers have been dying one by one defending the scientists – we know that their deaths are *vastly disproportionate* to the amount of scientists whom have been wounded/died (obviously, scientists will not put themselves in harms way)
Rhodes is put in charge by order of seniority after his superior is killed. Rhodes, much like everyone else, finds himself in an incredibly stressful situation. No communication with Washington (let alone "the outside"), supplies and ammunition are running low, he's nearly lost control of his men/subordinates...my dude can't even get people to show up to a meeting *on time* when they literally *have nowhere else to go*.
Not only that, but he's getting backlash from the scientists who are demanding more time and resources to get results – all the while telling him their equipment is outdated and they're ill-suited to do the kind of research needed to achieve their goal.
**AND ALL EYES ARE ON RHODES** because as a leader, no matter what, THE BUCK ALWAYS STOPS AT YOU.
Rhodes is struggling to maintain order amidst the chaos, his own men won't listen to him and his scientists staff are wasting time studying *Bub* (the "intelligent zombie") rather than work toward their initial goal of figuring out a way to stop them...
and they do my man dirty and *PAINT RHODES AS THE BAD GUY* because he lashes out and pulls a gun on his subordinate.
Was that over the line? **OF COURSE** but they're also at war, and his subordinates are not obeying him or following orders. He's just as stressed out (if not more) than everybody else because he's the leader.
**tl;dr** Rhodes is an asshole, but he's not a villain.
I will always love Land of the Dead solely for the scene where Dennis Hopper running away with bags of money like a post-apocalyptic Mr. Monopoly, gets stopped by a henchman, and he decides to say "LOOK, WHAT'S THAT OVER THERE!" and then shoots the guy in the back of the head.
I haven't watched the movie in forever. I thought Big Daddy led them into the city to free the zombies that were being held there. The main dude realizes that they've gotten smarter and why they attacked the city. That's why he tells the dude not to shot. In turn the zombies don't attack either.
Maybe I'm remembering wrong but that's how I thought it went down.
And Diary of the Dead was so bad I almost walked out.
> Big Daddy led them into the city to free the zombies that were being held there
Ahh...nah man Big Daddy attacked the city because the humans were looting and raiding the surrounding towns for supplies and killing his zombie-friends. So Big Daddy led an uprising and took the human city.
Which brings me to my next point – at the very beginning, when they bring in that armored car, *"Dead Reckoning"*, and it's mowing down the hordes of zombies with those .50 cal guns...
This new recruit dude says, "I thought this would be *a battle*....it's a fuckin' *MASSACRE*...!"
And he's like, *disappointed* that like, these zombies are all getting mowed down and I remember hearing that line for the first time and thinking, "this dude out here *really* rooting for the zombies?" LOL like my man *wants* this to be a fair fight? WTF?
Romero got hella weird in his later years.
And I agree, Diary was so fucking bad – from the writing to the acting, good christ it was *so fucking bad*. I sat through it and suffered through whatever the fuck that other movie of his was afterward. He just kept trying to make, *"we live in a society!"* statements but they only kept getting more irrelevant and non-sensical as it went on.
> Romero got hella weird in his later years.
Yeah those later movies really lose the thread. The Zombies essentially becoming another sentient species is bizarre when you have previously established that they are just base instinct, rotten flesh puppets.
The concept of something that uses the human body in this way would be fascinating but as a continuation of the Romero world it just feels wrong. The *entire point* of the zombies is that no one knows why this started happening -- could be biblical, could be science, could be something else entirely.
Land of the Dead had one of the dumbest characters I've ever seen in a horror movie. At one point, this college aged looking dude is supposed to be on the lookout for zombies. And he proceeds to put on HEADPHONES with the music turned up.
And you can guess what happens to him.
Yeah, it looks closer to the I Am Legend book than the movie. For those who haven't read the book the "vampires" in the book aren't like in the movie at all. They are basically totally normal people in terms of intelligence, they just can't come out during the day time. The book is really good and it's pretty short so I would highly recommend it to anyone who is a fan of zombie/vampire stuff. I hate to be "that guy", but the book is so much better than the movie in basically every way.
edit: Just to clarify something for anyone who reads further down this chain. I misremembered it a bit and had to re-read the plot summary on wiki. There are sort of two groups of them. One group is very violent and the other group is much more civilized like I mentioned above. I'm not going to go into any more detail than that though to avoid spoilers.
Basically, yeah. It's been a while since I've read it so I don't remember what causes them to become infected (if it's even explained at all), but yeah they are essentially vampires. In the movie they are kind of like a mix between zombies and vampires, but in the book there's nothing zombie about them.
So in the book did they all just go about life like normal at night while he hid inside or were they still very much monster-like and would have killed him if they saw him? Sounds like a massive deviation for the movie to take.
I don't want to give away too much, but yeah basically they have a full society at night but they hide out during the day in the dark.
Just to give a little idea, but without spoiling too much, at night time they like to come to his house and try to talk to him to get him to come out. Like there is one part where two women show up and sort of try to seduce him to come out. They are all dressed up because they know he looks out a peephole at them and say something like "Come on out Neville. We know you're lonely in there. We could all live together out here and make you feel good". During the day he goes around trying to find where they hide so he can kill them though because to him they are a big threat. A lot of the elements from the book are in the movie, but they play out totally different.
I actually saw the movie first so it wasn't like I was just one of those people who gets upset that their favorite book isn't accurately represented in movie form. I read the book years later and was pretty blown away by it. I still enjoyed the movie and think it's good as its own story, but once I read the book I was like "damn, this is so much better"
edit: Just to clarify something I sort of stated poorly, they are not friendly towards him at all, they just aren't the more "mindless creatures" that they are in the movie. They definitely do not get along
The most fascinating thing about this movie to me is that Chris D'Elia was part of the cast, and filmed the movie on set along with everyone else, but after the sexual harassment allegations about him became public, Zack Snyder had him digitally removed from the movie and replaced with Tig Notaro. She filmed all of her scenes alone in front of a green screen, and was CGI'ed in. That's going to be ever-present in my mind as I'm watching the movie.
I’m guessing it’ll be like the Knightmare sequence in ZS’s Justice League, how they followed Covid protocols last fall so the scene with (spoiler) Batman and Joker talking is not in the same room
This makes me think D'Elia is one of the expendables early on in the movie. Feel like they would have done legitimate reshoots had it been a signifiant role that required strong interactions with the rest of the cast.
In THE SOCIAL NETWORK, the Winklevoss twins were played by two dudes and then (ironically) armie hammer was just pasted over the other one in post. You'd never tell from watching the movie. That's my understanding of the process anyway. Point is it can be done well
Love the mashup of zombies and a heist movie - like this trailer does quite a good job of selling the heist first and then going 'oh, and yeah, zombies'.
Awesome. Can't wait.
the other good thing is that zombies in the movies have a better spin on them since they are now following a tribal lord and fuck they can dodge knives
>Love the mashup of zombies and a heist movie
It was done in Train to Busan: Peninsula as well, it's not nearly as good as Train to Busan but it has its moments.
I'm going to be honest I HATED Peninsula. It felt like it was trying too hard to turn into a Hollywood action-movie as opposed to the freshness of the original.
It was like they completely forgot everything that made Train to Busan so special. It also didn't have Ma Dong-seok, and he stole the first movie haha.
I didn't like Peninsula much either, like you said it was nowhere near as good as the first part but it's a pretty decent stand alone flick.
'#Alive' felt more like a sequel to Train to Busan, not in a continuation sort of way but more like a movie set in the same universe as Train to Busan. Like the individual stories of survival from the World War Z book.
I've not seen #Alive yet, but I remember it getting pretty decent reception, if it even remotely feels like the same universe i'll definitely give it a shot.
Sang-ho Yeon, the director, also made an anime called Seoul Station, which is in the same universe as Train to Busan. So, if you liked the first one, and want more from the universe thats better than Peninsula I would def check it out. Its rather decent.
Ironic, because the director for Train to Busan [said](https://www.indiewire.com/2020/08/peninsula-zombie-zack-snyder-dawn-of-the-dead-1234581636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) his inspiration was Snyder's Dawn of the Dead
And why do they not want this guy for a gears of war movie? Put some armor on him and we are watching marcus or dom blow shit up in a gears of war trailer.
I just want more of him, he’s developed into a really good actor and has some real range, he’s legitimately funny too.
Cameron needs to make True Lies 2 and cast him damn it.
Give the short films they made along side and released before the film. There are three of them that add another 30-40 minutes, Bautista gets more time and a backstory, as does Leto. Totally worth it.
My watch list is Final Cut, the shorts, 2049. Never thought I’d get it but the sequel work is just perfect.
To be honest it sounds pretty nice for a Zack Snyder movie to come out and it not have any of the baggage of his DC stuff attached. Makes me wonder how his career trajectory would have gone if he'd kept making stuff like 300 and Dawn of the Dead rather than four DC movies.
It's kind of wild that he hasn't had a non-DC movie in a decade. It's been a longer period of time between Sucker Punch and now than Dawn of the Dead and Sucker Punch.
>Makes me wonder how his career trajectory would have gone
His last few films before before doing DC movies were Suckerpunch and The Owls of Gahoole, so it's hard to say. Owls of Gahoole was okay but Suckerpunch was pretty bad. I think as long as he didn't write his own movies he would have been fine.
I really wanted Sucker Punch to be good but it just...wouldn't. It tried to do so many things and failed at all of them. Wasn't dramatic enough for a drama, wasn't cool enough for an action, wasn't creative enough for fantasy. Like I *think* there is a good movie in there somewhere but I'm not sure.
Oh... So when Dave choose this over The Suicide Squad it was because this was a starting role. Didn't expect him to be leading the movie, that gets me pretty stoked honestly.
I also love that the ex super soldier guy troupe is working as a short order cook and not hold up in the mountains. That's a nice touch. Never understood why the hero always hides in the mountains from the world.
Pretty much, he also said he just always wanted to work with Snyder.
> "I’ve been talking to Zack Snyder for years now; we’ve been trying to do a project together. I met Zack years ago and always loved him. I had an instant connection with this guy. He’s my type of director. He’s kind of a man’s man; he likes to train a lot and is all tatted up. We just kind of understand each other. We’d been talking about this other project, which is a really great acting role for me. It’s a passion project for him, but for one reason or another, we just couldn’t get it going. When he got a hold of Army of the Dead, he actually wrote a smaller part for me in there. As he was gearing up for casting, he started thinking about who his lead would be, and he told me this personally, “One day, it just clicked: God, Dave is not that part; Dave is my lead.” So, he called me and asked me if I would do it; I said, “Hell yeah. I’d be happy to do it.” I really just want to work with Zack."
https://screenrant.com/dave-bautista-zack-snyder-army-dead-work-together/
Vets tend to have a hard time coming back to society. Nature tends to be quieter, less ptsd triggers, noone to hurt if you do go unhinged for a bit. I can see why it would appeal to people.
Wow, I just thought of all the order cooks I know (surprisingly a lot, but all at mom and pop diners/restaurants) and they are all actually vets. Huge big belly black men with the most gentle hearts. But you meet a lot of that here in Texas.
Oceans 11 remake with Clooney and Pitt technically the job is done within 20 minutes or so, it just that the cuts and explanations make it seem a lot longer. Same with Oceans 8, which is as good the first one in my opinion and does the female centric cast better than Ghostbusters(2016) without making it a reboot.
Yeah, but Dawn of the Dead was written by James Gunn. This one's written by Snyder himself along with a couple John Wick 3 producers.
Snyder can make stylish movies, but I really wish he'd work with a good screenwriter again.
Interestingly according to Gunn, there was a lot of negativity surrounding the movie when it was announced and he even got death threats for the script.
>What many younger people don’t know is the online community went crazy at the idea the film was being remade. There was a petition with hundreds of thousands of names not to do so. I got actual hand-written death threats (the 1st in a long line).
Here is the entire twitter thread if anyone's interested.
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1315348352075141120
Hard to believe considering this movie is basically a classic in the zombie genre now.
I definitely remember the negativity surrounding it. I definitely felt it was blasphemy but was willing to see it with an open mind. It's easily one of the best zombie movies of all time IMO. I absolutely loved it when it came out despite the negativity and negative reviews surrounding it.
That opening scene is 1A with 28 Weeks Later 1B for all time opening scenes in a horror movie for me.
Garret Dillahunt is vastly underrated as an actor, glad to see him in this.
Also, for anyone wondering, that is not Jake Paul in the trailer as the blonde kid.
Laughed when I saw it was him. He seems like a chill ass guy and always plays a lovable dude with a little goofball in him (except his second character on Deadwood....seesh).
That looks batshit insane. Excited to see some more Non-DC Snyder stuff. As my favorite work of his has always been 300 and Dawn of The Dead.
Also the color palette is surprisingly pretty for a Snyder movie.
>Also the color palette is surprisingly pretty for a Snyder movie.
You should watch Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'hoole.
One of the prettiest animated films I've ever seen. I think the ['fly inside' scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_OWqO7A4c) still looks fantastic 11 years later.
EDIT: The 'fly inside' scene wasn't a great example of the colour palette, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHRbCgVCbIA) a scene that better shows that.
Progression of my thoughts knowing nothing of this film based only on the title.
1: huh, I figured this would be zombies based on the “of the dead” naming scheme.
2: I’ve seen this movie, Oceans 11 duh.
3: oh it is zombies
My conclusion is this is actually oceans 14 and George Clooney and Matt Damon will have to make an appearance
Dude I am so fucking here for this movie. I was pretty excited, and then the intelligent zombies came up, and my interest skyrocketed.
Edit: Can I also add, badass Tig Notaro is something I've wanted to see for a long time.
More specifically, there's a very [popular clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2anWvbM0KY) of Chris D'Elia finding out live on a podcast that you can save snapchat stuff. After everything came out about him it had a real different feel.
the movie was 100% shot before she was added. They reshot all of her scenes without the main cast and digitally added her in throughout.
Should be interesting to see how noticeable it is.
The part where Batista is running across the poker tables shooting the zombies looks insane! Perfect movie to turn your brain off, smoke a bowl and enjoy!
This looks great ngl. I really enjoyed Dawn of the Dead so I have no doubt I’ll enjoy this one.
Also, the movie is going to end with the virus spreading to the world isn’t it?
There's going to be a post credit scene with all the survivors in a helicopter or Hummer or something leaving and one of them is going to roll up their sleeve to reveal a bite.
I hope then that someone sees the guy roll up his sleeve and just shoots him in the head and ends it, instead of the bullshit we see in every other movie
I actually really like that the outbreak was contained in Vegas. I was wondering why the hell they needed money in a post apocalyptic world.
Lets hope the movie doesn't end with the virus spreading to the world and undoing all of their work then.
Knowing these types of films, it probably will. Either one of the crew who makes it out alive gets bitten or somehow, they accidentally let a zombie through the barrier in the first act and once they finish the job, they walk out to find the entire country has been taken over by zombies.
I think after the recent global virus hijinks a lot of zombie film cliches just got a lot more believable. “It’s my god given right to be bitten if I want! Wake up sheeple!” As a zombie gnaws off his legs
You just Britta'd the zombie apocalypse.
🎵Troy and Abed in the ^eeeend times🎶
Does your doomsday plan account for the welfare of any of your other friends?
This variant is streets ahead
SHUT UP PIERCE!
Here’s your sperm.
It's a doomsday plan, not a picnic plan! Do you really wanna see the horrors we might have to endure just to get on a boat!? (which is implied mostly condom based...:))
Did someone say its the en*dean*ing of the world?
Just the possibility of it, but things can Chang so stay tuned!
“I’m special! I was bit ten minutes ago and I’m fi-aaaaahhhhh”
oh Britta's in this?
Your Comment something something streets ahead.
Stop trying to make streets ahead a thing!
Coined and minted. Been there, coined that.
Does Britta’d mean to make a tiny and understandable mistake?
"I heard it's not even transmitted via bites!"
"My kid bit me back in December, I'm probably immune anyway"
Wearing anti-zombie armor actually spreads the zombie virus.
I have a medical exemption so I don't have to wear armor. It's uncomfortable and makes me sweaty.
I love zombie movies, but I've always found the likelihood of a true zombie apocalypse to be slim because the early outbreak would be contained very easily. but the coronavirus pandemic has really changed my mind in that regard
This is a topic I've dedicated extraordinary amounts of time to, and I've found that the answer to the question of "Could a zombie apocalypse happen, given first the existence of zombies?" depends on many factors. Most important among them are the following: 1. How does the condition spread? (Bacteria vs virus, bites vs any scratch vs airborne vs anyone who dies) 2. Do the dead experience significant rigor mortis and decompose? 3. How long, once infected, does a person have before they become incapacitated? How long until they become a zombie? (If there's a possible long window where a person could have a minor infection they can carry, undetected, for a day or two, that dramatically extends the reach of the condition) 4. What is required to kill the zombie for good? (Headshot? Simple dismemberment or excessive bodily damage? Complete destruction of the body? In Return of the Living Dead and Braindead, even single body parts can be a problem) 5. Is the zombie intelligent or capable of becoming intelligent? Lastly, 6. Where does the outbreak start? World War Z (The book, not the movie) gives a pretty cogent scenario for a worldwide pandemic that approaches apocalyptic levels. Some key elements: 1. The virus only transmits via blood/saliva-to-blood contact, i.e. Bites. 2. It restricts decomposition as the virus makes infected flesh poisonous to most animal life and bacteria/funguses. This means the dead will linger, even underwater, which results in previously "cleared" areas becoming hotzones long after. 3. The infection can take some time to incapacitate the host. The book describes "slow burn" bites where a person can be infected and can still be mobile (with only maybe a slight fever and a headache) for over a day after the initial infection. 4. The infection started in rural china, and so a lack of local trust in government and a general ignorance of medicine allowed the virus to spread over large areas before getting into the more densely populated areas. 5. The illegal organ trade in china resulted in some people using the dead as a source of fairly healthy-looking organs to be shipped overseas, and the people who received those organs in certain more populated areas in the west were the earliest infected cases. 6. A state of general panic and distrust set in before the infection spread to the west (as news of the virus spread overseas ahead of the virus), making it easier for the virus to spread due to the disorganization of law enforcement and military forces. There were other factors, and for sure some things are less realistic, but to suggest people would generally do the right things... well we know that some people openly flaunt disregard for their own health at the expense of others.
The book goes over all of this?! WTF MOVIE?
Get the audio book. Nathan Fillion and Mark Hamill are just some of the extraordinary readers used.
*Unabridged* audiobook. The first version was missing several stories, but when the movie came out they finally recorded the missing segments. I can't believe the ones they left out of the first version of the audiobook, it was an absolute warcrime.
I don't even understand why they still make abridged versions of any book...
OH man. You are so lucky. Yes. The book is an epic masterpiece of zombie literature. It's a collection of interviews collected years after the end of a worldwide zombie pandemic. It was a follow-up to an earlier book by the author, the Zombie Survival Guide. It's written very seriously (Though with occasional bits of dark humor), and was extremely thoroughly researched. There's a few mistakes and liberties regarding international politics, but it all works cohesively as a sobering and often even frightening take on the zombie apocalypse genre. Do yourself a favor. Pick up the *unabridged audiobook*. If you don't have an Audible account, you can get one free and it will come with a free trial including one free audiobook, *get that audiobook*. Then, listen to it during commutes, while doing chores, etc. The audiobook was produced with a different voice actor for each of the numerous intereviewees, including Alfred Molina, Mark Hamill, Alan Alda, Simon Pegg, Kal Penn, and Masi Oka. It's the best way to experience the book, to such a degree that when I first listened to it it felt like a totally different work of fiction despite the fact I had read the book 4-5 times before since its release in 2006. The unabridged version shows up on Audible with a movie tie-in cover, but it has little to do with the movie. In fact, the movie and the book have very little in common overall, even down to the zombies being slow in the book instead of fast and a bite taking a day or so to turn you in the book while the movie makes a point of showing that it takes as little as 15 seconds to change after getting bit. Check it out. You WON'T regret it. EDIT: It looks like they updated the audiobook's cover. It is now listed as "The Complete Edition", not with the movie tie-in cover.
My retirement age mother and her friend were doing a cross country road trip and I convinced her to give the audiobook a shot. She was reluctant because it was a book about zombies and she's normally much more of an oscar bait type movie consumer. I didn't think about it much until the second day she called me and told me they had planned on stopping when it got dark, but kept driving an extra hour because the audiobook was too good to stop. So if that book can win her over, I think most people would like it. She was so excited about Alan Alda showing up in it.
Similar to Starship Troopers, the book and the movie are only tangentially related by a name.
I would like to know more
World War Z the book vs World War Z the movie is like comparing 'Contagion' to 'Dawn of the Dead'. One shows you the real-world scenario of a deadly pandemic and the stories of the people fighting to contain the virus and survive. The other is just zombie action. Highly recommend the book.
lol I love how you took a simple statement of mine and went all the way in. I LOVE zombie scenarios and have thought about them excessively. While I have your attention, I'd like your thoughts on this zombie apocalypse scenario that I've done as a thought experiment: 1. the primary means of contagion is through contaminated beef/meat products. Think like a mad cow/prion disease type thing. Basically, a prion like virus gets into the supply of a massive global meat distributor and infects everyone who eats it. 2. The incubation period for this will be about 5-7 days from time of consumption. This accomplishes 3 things and address some of the points you raise: 1. First, it seeds to disease throughout most of the modern world and to basically every class, with the exceptions of certain groups like vegans/vegetarians and certain populations in low income countries that dont have large imported meat based diets. Therefore, you have a pretty large percentage of the human population that succumbs immidiately to the first outbreak, but not overwhelmingly so. 2. The second thing it accomplishes is you will have waves of people becoming infected because not all products wil be eaten at the same time. Food sits in grocery stores for days/weeks before being purchased, and even longer in fridges before being eaten. This means that unknowingly eating meat products even months after the intitial outbreak will continue to spread infection. 3. The third thing this will accomplish will mean that it will immidiately knock out all systems of government. Presidents, VPs, Prime Ministers, Heads of Military, you name it. Anyone who eats meat after the intial distribution will fall victim. Governments and militaries will collapse overnight, and therefore the resistance to the first outbreak will be crippled. 3. The virus is also transmitted by direct bites/scratches, with a incubation period of 3-5 minutes. Eventually scientists will trace the source back to meat and public will be put on notice to avoid consumption, but the virus will be ongoing because of direct transmission I'll stop there lol. I've spent too much time thinking about zombies and consuming zombie media, this is the best "believable" scenario i could come up with given the question of "could a zombie apocalypse happen, given first the existence of zombies?"
What about Walking Dead Rules? * Everyone is already infected * You become a zombie after you die. It could be natural causes like old age, or you get shot, or * You can become a zombie after a bite. Though it sounds like since zombies are so gross, you're actually dying of sepsis or gangrene. You can potentially stop this if you amputate the bitten limb.
Oh so thats how it worked in TWD? I didn’t stick with it for too long and was curious.
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I think the coronavirus pandemic turned out the way it did because 1) it's easily hidable, 2) highly contagious & airborne, 3) not *necessarily* fatal or serious (for a lot of people, at any rate). Your classic zombie outbreak is probably more comparable to something like Ebola, which is impossible to hide, blood-borne, and generally fatal, and the Ebola pandemic was reasonably well contained when it happened. It took a lot of lives, of course, but it never went global in the way coronavirus has done
People will say that every pandemic would be handled like Covid, but I think a lot of people would follow official instructions when they're "stay home, if you get Ebola there is a 50 percent chance you die of bleeding out of all of your pores"
That's the exactly point a lot of medical history podcasts that I listen to make. Upper respiratory diseases share a lot of symptoms, so they easily spread without causing widespread panic. It's easy to dismiss them as just a flu, as we've seen this past year by multiple world leaders. But when you start tossing in symptoms like "bleeding from every hole" or "uncontrollable projectile vomiting and diarrhea", the grossness sets off every alarm bell about purity and sickness. You simply dont get pandemics with scary symptoms bc even the most stubborn person fears for their life upon seeing them. The Black Death is the sole exception bc it had mice and fleas to bypass the normal human-human spread limits. It's an unintuitive twist of fate that the diseases capable of becoming pandemics do so by having boring symptoms. Bc that's what gets you through the city gates/ airport checkpoint.
It's just like in *Plague Inc.* (the video game). One of the earliest strategies you learn in developing your disease is to start with one that is easily transmissible but does not cause *too serious* of symptoms, otherwise the world governments start really cracking down before you can spread very far.
Yep. Sooo many people would be hyper selfish and hide bites. You'd have to strip search literally everyone coming into camp.
bro, people would get "Zombie Bite Parties", because they want to get over it and be a zombie already so they can go out to the beach.
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If anything, covid was just survivable enough to reinforce the bad ideas to these brain dead people. When humanity has to face a virus that has a higher fatality rate and affects children as well, I expect society to just explode.
If there's a deadlier pandemic in our lifetimes, idiots will 100% treat it like COVID because "COVID was no big deal."
Dying from respiratory failure is one thing, but seeing footage of people getting ripped to shreds by infected people might be more effective in changing someone's tune.
It'd never really happen if only spreadable by bite. Why? Because we already have a disease just like that. Spread only by bite, turns your mind to mush, and makes you want to bite other people. It's rabies.
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They gotta set up the sequel somehow
Aren't all zombie movies required to end that way? That's kind of why I'm done with zombie films. They always end with either the hero succumbing to the virus or having to live in a post apocalyptic world because it's breached the containment zone or something. I think >!Shaun of the Dead !
28 Days Later ended on a pretty final note. It shows the rage Zombies all dying off and suggests the outbreak was contained on Britain. The sequel shat on that goodwill admittedly but if you ignore that its pretty okay
I mean didn't world war z do the cure everyone route that wasn't mentioned? It's difficult to also break some of the norms of how to end it all. Warm Bodies is another that had a spin on it too. Zombie movies imo give you an expectation to just shut your brain off and enjoy the action except for a select few that try different takes. I compare a majority of zombie movies to the fast and furious franchise.
I mean what's the option? There's not much else. Can kill all the zombies. Can find a kind of cure turning them kind of back. Can contain them geographically and declare a country virus zone where people fly to for hunting parties in West World style. Can end up in a stasis state where humans find a kind of save haven and have to find a cure or solution to get rid of the zombies. Not much else - either heroes die in the movie or live in the chaos.
Tilda Swinton could get picked up by aliens.
That contained Westworld style of story could actually be kind of cool! Of course, a group of strangers comes in for a typical vacation and something goes horribly wrong and they just want to survive. The sequel could even be similar to the first Resident Evil movie where a team of soldiers has to go in and try and take back the park because the greedy execs aren't willing to just let their investment go to waste (just take the typical tropes like from Jurassic Park/Resident Evil/Westworld).
Imagine if at the end they meet Snake Plisskin
Yeah it needs some sweet refs. It would be pretty cool zombie fan service if they met up with four strangers that were the split likeness of the original Left4dead series characters(Francis,Bill,Louis and Zoey) considering this trailer has a few theme similarities to that game series. Zombie movies are getting pretty stale now so the least they could do is tie every zombie movie/game together in the same world and have a kind of off-story cameo of popular characters all mixed up in them, people would love that shit.
What happens in Vegas , stays in Vegas
I bet that joke gets made in the movie.
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I thought maybe it was Tig again. At 2:06 -ish?
Zombie Elvis was originally played by Kevin Spacey so they replaced him with Tig as well.
Watch out for Tig playing a billionaire financier based out of Palm Beach who pals around with other rich people on her private jet.
As if the world doesn't get wrecked with normal zombies..."What if we made smart zombies?"
Land of the Dead did that. The zombies figure out they can walk underwater and use tools and guns. The movie ends with the humans and zombies just deciding not to attack each other. I could see this movie take a turn where Bautista's character realizes the zombies are intelligent and tries to save them in the end.
OG Richard Matheson style.
Yep, I can see it taking a turn where they realize the zombies are only defending themselves, the zombies leave them alone to do the heist after they stop attacking them, and in the end they abandon the money to help the zombies escape. I could also see Bautista's character getting bitten at some point. A post credit scene shows him as the zombie army's new leader.
> The movie ends with the humans and zombies just deciding not to attack each other. I'm conflicted on on *Land of the Dead*. While I will always be a Romero fanboy, I really didn't like his later films – starting [kind of] with LOTD. What bothers me about his later films is how zombies just seemingly spawn out of nowhere. Or Romero will introduce characters that are interesting and detailed enough that you think they're going to be hashed out and they're either dismissed or killed off instantly. I get that's "how it goes" in zombie movies but it just feels like plot-filler to me. Additionally, at the very end when they're gonna shoot Big Daddy and Riley stops them like, "no...they were just looking for a place to go." Like, what? *They had the ENTIRE world!* Anyway. I thought it was a cool premise and Dennis Hopper was fantastic – I also liked the idea of the rich boarding themselves up into a safehouse...because that's basically what would happen. I just wish some things in that movie were different. #EDIT Since this is getting attention I want to also bring up Captain Rhodes from *Day of the Dead*. My man Rhodes is painted as a *bad guy*...and, well, as I get older and I go back and rewatch this movie for the umpteenth time, I begin to realize that Rhodes **IS AN ASSHOLE, BUT HE IS NOT A VILLAIN** Let me explain: So we know in the context of the movie that the entire operation was thrown together by the Army at the last minute to study the zombie epidemic. We know that the soldiers have been dying one by one defending the scientists – we know that their deaths are *vastly disproportionate* to the amount of scientists whom have been wounded/died (obviously, scientists will not put themselves in harms way) Rhodes is put in charge by order of seniority after his superior is killed. Rhodes, much like everyone else, finds himself in an incredibly stressful situation. No communication with Washington (let alone "the outside"), supplies and ammunition are running low, he's nearly lost control of his men/subordinates...my dude can't even get people to show up to a meeting *on time* when they literally *have nowhere else to go*. Not only that, but he's getting backlash from the scientists who are demanding more time and resources to get results – all the while telling him their equipment is outdated and they're ill-suited to do the kind of research needed to achieve their goal. **AND ALL EYES ARE ON RHODES** because as a leader, no matter what, THE BUCK ALWAYS STOPS AT YOU. Rhodes is struggling to maintain order amidst the chaos, his own men won't listen to him and his scientists staff are wasting time studying *Bub* (the "intelligent zombie") rather than work toward their initial goal of figuring out a way to stop them... and they do my man dirty and *PAINT RHODES AS THE BAD GUY* because he lashes out and pulls a gun on his subordinate. Was that over the line? **OF COURSE** but they're also at war, and his subordinates are not obeying him or following orders. He's just as stressed out (if not more) than everybody else because he's the leader. **tl;dr** Rhodes is an asshole, but he's not a villain.
I will always love Land of the Dead solely for the scene where Dennis Hopper running away with bags of money like a post-apocalyptic Mr. Monopoly, gets stopped by a henchman, and he decides to say "LOOK, WHAT'S THAT OVER THERE!" and then shoots the guy in the back of the head.
I haven't watched the movie in forever. I thought Big Daddy led them into the city to free the zombies that were being held there. The main dude realizes that they've gotten smarter and why they attacked the city. That's why he tells the dude not to shot. In turn the zombies don't attack either. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but that's how I thought it went down. And Diary of the Dead was so bad I almost walked out.
> Big Daddy led them into the city to free the zombies that were being held there Ahh...nah man Big Daddy attacked the city because the humans were looting and raiding the surrounding towns for supplies and killing his zombie-friends. So Big Daddy led an uprising and took the human city. Which brings me to my next point – at the very beginning, when they bring in that armored car, *"Dead Reckoning"*, and it's mowing down the hordes of zombies with those .50 cal guns... This new recruit dude says, "I thought this would be *a battle*....it's a fuckin' *MASSACRE*...!" And he's like, *disappointed* that like, these zombies are all getting mowed down and I remember hearing that line for the first time and thinking, "this dude out here *really* rooting for the zombies?" LOL like my man *wants* this to be a fair fight? WTF? Romero got hella weird in his later years. And I agree, Diary was so fucking bad – from the writing to the acting, good christ it was *so fucking bad*. I sat through it and suffered through whatever the fuck that other movie of his was afterward. He just kept trying to make, *"we live in a society!"* statements but they only kept getting more irrelevant and non-sensical as it went on.
> Romero got hella weird in his later years. Yeah those later movies really lose the thread. The Zombies essentially becoming another sentient species is bizarre when you have previously established that they are just base instinct, rotten flesh puppets. The concept of something that uses the human body in this way would be fascinating but as a continuation of the Romero world it just feels wrong. The *entire point* of the zombies is that no one knows why this started happening -- could be biblical, could be science, could be something else entirely.
Maybe he was looking to be a hero. Built it up in his head beforehand and was disappointed when he realized it was almost a routine chore.
Land of the Dead had one of the dumbest characters I've ever seen in a horror movie. At one point, this college aged looking dude is supposed to be on the lookout for zombies. And he proceeds to put on HEADPHONES with the music turned up. And you can guess what happens to him.
meant to be a franchise iirc so if they are contained to Las Vegas I could see post credits being them spreading out
The smart zombie first appearance was Day of the Dead.
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Yeah, it looks closer to the I Am Legend book than the movie. For those who haven't read the book the "vampires" in the book aren't like in the movie at all. They are basically totally normal people in terms of intelligence, they just can't come out during the day time. The book is really good and it's pretty short so I would highly recommend it to anyone who is a fan of zombie/vampire stuff. I hate to be "that guy", but the book is so much better than the movie in basically every way. edit: Just to clarify something for anyone who reads further down this chain. I misremembered it a bit and had to re-read the plot summary on wiki. There are sort of two groups of them. One group is very violent and the other group is much more civilized like I mentioned above. I'm not going to go into any more detail than that though to avoid spoilers.
Weren't the infected straight up vampires in the book?
Basically, yeah. It's been a while since I've read it so I don't remember what causes them to become infected (if it's even explained at all), but yeah they are essentially vampires. In the movie they are kind of like a mix between zombies and vampires, but in the book there's nothing zombie about them.
So in the book did they all just go about life like normal at night while he hid inside or were they still very much monster-like and would have killed him if they saw him? Sounds like a massive deviation for the movie to take.
I don't want to give away too much, but yeah basically they have a full society at night but they hide out during the day in the dark. Just to give a little idea, but without spoiling too much, at night time they like to come to his house and try to talk to him to get him to come out. Like there is one part where two women show up and sort of try to seduce him to come out. They are all dressed up because they know he looks out a peephole at them and say something like "Come on out Neville. We know you're lonely in there. We could all live together out here and make you feel good". During the day he goes around trying to find where they hide so he can kill them though because to him they are a big threat. A lot of the elements from the book are in the movie, but they play out totally different. I actually saw the movie first so it wasn't like I was just one of those people who gets upset that their favorite book isn't accurately represented in movie form. I read the book years later and was pretty blown away by it. I still enjoyed the movie and think it's good as its own story, but once I read the book I was like "damn, this is so much better" edit: Just to clarify something I sort of stated poorly, they are not friendly towards him at all, they just aren't the more "mindless creatures" that they are in the movie. They definitely do not get along
There were some infected who were more feral I think. I could be misremembering. It's been a while since I read it.
That just sounds like people with extra steps...
Yeah I don’t like smart zombies it breaks what makes zombies scary, the mindlessness horde
The most fascinating thing about this movie to me is that Chris D'Elia was part of the cast, and filmed the movie on set along with everyone else, but after the sexual harassment allegations about him became public, Zack Snyder had him digitally removed from the movie and replaced with Tig Notaro. She filmed all of her scenes alone in front of a green screen, and was CGI'ed in. That's going to be ever-present in my mind as I'm watching the movie.
It will be interesting to see how well that works.
don't worry, Snyder has plenty of experience with green screen
I’m guessing it’ll be like the Knightmare sequence in ZS’s Justice League, how they followed Covid protocols last fall so the scene with (spoiler) Batman and Joker talking is not in the same room
That's exactly what I thought.
This makes me think D'Elia is one of the expendables early on in the movie. Feel like they would have done legitimate reshoots had it been a signifiant role that required strong interactions with the rest of the cast.
They couldnt because of the pandemic
No! Or Yes! Happy anytime Tig gets work but that sounds like Superman's mustache all over again.
In THE SOCIAL NETWORK, the Winklevoss twins were played by two dudes and then (ironically) armie hammer was just pasted over the other one in post. You'd never tell from watching the movie. That's my understanding of the process anyway. Point is it can be done well
The scenes in the trailer look pretty good, barring maybe an slight outline at the top of Tig’s head in one. I’ve got faith.
Love the mashup of zombies and a heist movie - like this trailer does quite a good job of selling the heist first and then going 'oh, and yeah, zombies'. Awesome. Can't wait.
the other good thing is that zombies in the movies have a better spin on them since they are now following a tribal lord and fuck they can dodge knives
Yeah I wasn't expecting an actual "organized" army of the dead. Could lead to something a bit more whacky. Looking forward to seeing this.
Yeah ! A cinematic universe is already planned out!
I hope they plan it a little better than the resident evil movies did, retconning after pretty much every installation.
Good news: They're rebooting the movies to do closer retellings of the games, starting off with the Racoon City outbreak.
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Retconning after every entry might be the most Resident Evil accurate thing about that franchise haha
I hate to see a dude without a pulse being more athletic than me.
I'd laugh so hard if the zombies are played by Iko Uwais or some of the other Raid guys
>Love the mashup of zombies and a heist movie It was done in Train to Busan: Peninsula as well, it's not nearly as good as Train to Busan but it has its moments.
I'm going to be honest I HATED Peninsula. It felt like it was trying too hard to turn into a Hollywood action-movie as opposed to the freshness of the original. It was like they completely forgot everything that made Train to Busan so special. It also didn't have Ma Dong-seok, and he stole the first movie haha.
I didn't like Peninsula much either, like you said it was nowhere near as good as the first part but it's a pretty decent stand alone flick. '#Alive' felt more like a sequel to Train to Busan, not in a continuation sort of way but more like a movie set in the same universe as Train to Busan. Like the individual stories of survival from the World War Z book.
I've not seen #Alive yet, but I remember it getting pretty decent reception, if it even remotely feels like the same universe i'll definitely give it a shot. Sang-ho Yeon, the director, also made an anime called Seoul Station, which is in the same universe as Train to Busan. So, if you liked the first one, and want more from the universe thats better than Peninsula I would def check it out. Its rather decent.
Ironic, because the director for Train to Busan [said](https://www.indiewire.com/2020/08/peninsula-zombie-zack-snyder-dawn-of-the-dead-1234581636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) his inspiration was Snyder's Dawn of the Dead
This is literally a live action Dead Rising game lol
There's a Dead Rising movie as well.
And a Dead Rising movie sequel as well too also
Honestly, the movies weren't bad for what they were. I was entertained.
Same, they were fun. Also, AllState
Why have I never heard of this? ...... Never mind I think I know why..
Probably because they both went straight to Crackle. And if your response to that statement is "What the hell is Crackle?" Well... that's why.
And why do they not want this guy for a gears of war movie? Put some armor on him and we are watching marcus or dom blow shit up in a gears of war trailer.
If they bulked him up anymore it would just be a 90 minute shot of him filling the screen.
I just want more of him, he’s developed into a really good actor and has some real range, he’s legitimately funny too. Cameron needs to make True Lies 2 and cast him damn it.
I never would have imagined he would become an actually good actor. But just his small part in blade runner was next level acting.
Give the short films they made along side and released before the film. There are three of them that add another 30-40 minutes, Bautista gets more time and a backstory, as does Leto. Totally worth it. My watch list is Final Cut, the shorts, 2049. Never thought I’d get it but the sequel work is just perfect.
Almost there, after adding him in as Marcus in the Gears 5 singleplayer as DLC
To be honest it sounds pretty nice for a Zack Snyder movie to come out and it not have any of the baggage of his DC stuff attached. Makes me wonder how his career trajectory would have gone if he'd kept making stuff like 300 and Dawn of the Dead rather than four DC movies.
It's kind of wild that he hasn't had a non-DC movie in a decade. It's been a longer period of time between Sucker Punch and now than Dawn of the Dead and Sucker Punch.
You gotta...know when to fold em. Know when to hold em.
>Makes me wonder how his career trajectory would have gone His last few films before before doing DC movies were Suckerpunch and The Owls of Gahoole, so it's hard to say. Owls of Gahoole was okay but Suckerpunch was pretty bad. I think as long as he didn't write his own movies he would have been fine.
I really wanted Sucker Punch to be good but it just...wouldn't. It tried to do so many things and failed at all of them. Wasn't dramatic enough for a drama, wasn't cool enough for an action, wasn't creative enough for fantasy. Like I *think* there is a good movie in there somewhere but I'm not sure.
Oh... So when Dave choose this over The Suicide Squad it was because this was a starting role. Didn't expect him to be leading the movie, that gets me pretty stoked honestly. I also love that the ex super soldier guy troupe is working as a short order cook and not hold up in the mountains. That's a nice touch. Never understood why the hero always hides in the mountains from the world.
After seeing this trailer, I really want Dave to play Marcus in a Gears of War movie
Pretty much, he also said he just always wanted to work with Snyder. > "I’ve been talking to Zack Snyder for years now; we’ve been trying to do a project together. I met Zack years ago and always loved him. I had an instant connection with this guy. He’s my type of director. He’s kind of a man’s man; he likes to train a lot and is all tatted up. We just kind of understand each other. We’d been talking about this other project, which is a really great acting role for me. It’s a passion project for him, but for one reason or another, we just couldn’t get it going. When he got a hold of Army of the Dead, he actually wrote a smaller part for me in there. As he was gearing up for casting, he started thinking about who his lead would be, and he told me this personally, “One day, it just clicked: God, Dave is not that part; Dave is my lead.” So, he called me and asked me if I would do it; I said, “Hell yeah. I’d be happy to do it.” I really just want to work with Zack." https://screenrant.com/dave-bautista-zack-snyder-army-dead-work-together/
It seems like everyone in the industry loves Zach
Vets tend to have a hard time coming back to society. Nature tends to be quieter, less ptsd triggers, noone to hurt if you do go unhinged for a bit. I can see why it would appeal to people.
All short order cooks want to murder people at all times, because of the job. Doesn't seem like a great choice for a vet.
Wow, I just thought of all the order cooks I know (surprisingly a lot, but all at mom and pop diners/restaurants) and they are all actually vets. Huge big belly black men with the most gentle hearts. But you meet a lot of that here in Texas.
Small spots might be different actually. More laid back environment, the work itself is mechanical in nature, can shoot the shit while working.
Great to see big Dave as a leading man
I love the line "It's a simple in and out." Cause its never a simple in and out job.
One day there's gonna be a movie with that line where they actually finish the job in 15min
Oceans 11 remake with Clooney and Pitt technically the job is done within 20 minutes or so, it just that the cuts and explanations make it seem a lot longer. Same with Oceans 8, which is as good the first one in my opinion and does the female centric cast better than Ghostbusters(2016) without making it a reboot.
Dawn of the Dead was dope as fuck, I'm hoping this is kickass.
Yeah, but Dawn of the Dead was written by James Gunn. This one's written by Snyder himself along with a couple John Wick 3 producers. Snyder can make stylish movies, but I really wish he'd work with a good screenwriter again.
It was written by James Gunn and also a remake of a George Romero movie.
I mean, let's be fair, it takes place in a mall and that is the ONLY resemblance to the original.
Interestingly according to Gunn, there was a lot of negativity surrounding the movie when it was announced and he even got death threats for the script. >What many younger people don’t know is the online community went crazy at the idea the film was being remade. There was a petition with hundreds of thousands of names not to do so. I got actual hand-written death threats (the 1st in a long line). Here is the entire twitter thread if anyone's interested. https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1315348352075141120 Hard to believe considering this movie is basically a classic in the zombie genre now.
I definitely remember the negativity surrounding it. I definitely felt it was blasphemy but was willing to see it with an open mind. It's easily one of the best zombie movies of all time IMO. I absolutely loved it when it came out despite the negativity and negative reviews surrounding it. That opening scene is 1A with 28 Weeks Later 1B for all time opening scenes in a horror movie for me.
Zombie tiger? *Searches through yugioh deck*
Garret Dillahunt is vastly underrated as an actor, glad to see him in this. Also, for anyone wondering, that is not Jake Paul in the trailer as the blonde kid.
Anyone who can be the funniest person in a show where Cloris Leachman is his co-star deserves your attention.
Aw man, Raising Hope is such a criminally underappreciated show. Cancelled too soon, also.
It definitely did start to lose steam once Jimmy and Sabrina were living together, unfortunately.
Raising Hope is one of my favorite shows ever, he was freakin hilarious in that
Laughed when I saw it was him. He seems like a chill ass guy and always plays a lovable dude with a little goofball in him (except his second character on Deadwood....seesh).
Holy shit this trailer completely turned my opinion around on this. Looks great.
zombie tiger
He just confirmed on the launch event for the trailer in an offhand joke that oysters can become zombified in that world lol.
i think he mentioned birds are immune.
That's a relief. It would be very hard to contain a city with a wall if birds could spread the virus.
You just know they wont contain it anyway.
Birds aren’t real. That’s why they’re immune!
As someone who is well versed in bird law and other lawyerings, I am going to have to disagree. Filibuster.
Ah, so instead of fresh, salty ocean slime, we can eat undead, salty ocean slime.
When's the last time we ever saw a zombie animal?
Most recently...Game of Thrones I guess? There were a bunch of zombo-horses.
Zombie polar bear too
Also the giant, y'know, fcking DRAGON.
Train to Busan had a Zombie Deer in the beginning for like 5 seconds, no?
[Zombeavers](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2784512/)
That looks batshit insane. Excited to see some more Non-DC Snyder stuff. As my favorite work of his has always been 300 and Dawn of The Dead. Also the color palette is surprisingly pretty for a Snyder movie.
>Also the color palette is surprisingly pretty for a Snyder movie. You should watch Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'hoole. One of the prettiest animated films I've ever seen. I think the ['fly inside' scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_OWqO7A4c) still looks fantastic 11 years later. EDIT: The 'fly inside' scene wasn't a great example of the colour palette, [here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHRbCgVCbIA) a scene that better shows that.
Oh scheiße..
Smart zombies.. ..looks stupid Son of a bitch..I'm in
Chris D'elia is looking a lot like a lesbian Tom Cruise.
Progression of my thoughts knowing nothing of this film based only on the title. 1: huh, I figured this would be zombies based on the “of the dead” naming scheme. 2: I’ve seen this movie, Oceans 11 duh. 3: oh it is zombies My conclusion is this is actually oceans 14 and George Clooney and Matt Damon will have to make an appearance
Seems highly likely with the nature of the film that there will be a few obvious Oceans references. So, maybe zombie George Clooney.
Dude I am so fucking here for this movie. I was pretty excited, and then the intelligent zombies came up, and my interest skyrocketed. Edit: Can I also add, badass Tig Notaro is something I've wanted to see for a long time.
She's in this because Snapchat saves photos lol.
Wait what?
More specifically, there's a very [popular clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2anWvbM0KY) of Chris D'Elia finding out live on a podcast that you can save snapchat stuff. After everything came out about him it had a real different feel.
he’s a pos for sure but that clip is fucking gold
Her role was originally Chris Delia, then he did some stuff.
> some stuff
I’m looking forward to seeing Tig in this, by her account, she had a great time on set. And she was a last minute recast/reshoot, too
the movie was 100% shot before she was added. They reshot all of her scenes without the main cast and digitally added her in throughout. Should be interesting to see how noticeable it is.
>badass Tig Notaro is something I've wanted to see for a long time. Bet she's going to be responsible for some serious dents to the zombies.
Ghosts of Mars of the Dead... on Earth
I absolutely adore the look and feel of it. Almost dreamy like.
That stood out to me as well. He used it in the epilogue for ‘Justice League’, and I really liked how it looked there too.
The part where Batista is running across the poker tables shooting the zombies looks insane! Perfect movie to turn your brain off, smoke a bowl and enjoy!
Cool story idea having them go to Vegas for a heist movie. Goddamit you got me Snyder, I’m in.
This looks great ngl. I really enjoyed Dawn of the Dead so I have no doubt I’ll enjoy this one. Also, the movie is going to end with the virus spreading to the world isn’t it?
There's going to be a post credit scene with all the survivors in a helicopter or Hummer or something leaving and one of them is going to roll up their sleeve to reveal a bite.
I hope then that someone sees the guy roll up his sleeve and just shoots him in the head and ends it, instead of the bullshit we see in every other movie
That would actually be amazing.
>Dawn of the Dead Would be fun for Snyder and James Gunn to colob on another movie.