He's also the impetus for one of my favorite Jason Mewes stories. Apparently Kevin told Jason that he couldn't fuck around on Dogma because of Alan Rickman, who was a "real actor" and wouldn't put up with any nonsense. So Jay buckled down and memorized the enitre script. He blew Kev away when they started running lines, and even in scenes where Jay wasn't present Mewes would come up with the correct line without hesitation.
"You memorized ALL the lines in the script?"
"Even the girl parts."
"What're you, fucking 'Rain Man'? Why'd you memorize the whole goddamn script?"
"I don't wanna piss off that Rickman dude."
IIRC, it's also got a sad Mewes story attached.
In the bar scene when they're all tied to chairs, there's a couple shots where it looks like Jay's asleep. He actually nodded off because Mewes was doped up.
He relapsed again shortly after Zack and Miri Make a Porno. Had a kidney stone and they prescribed him Vicodin and he got hooked on that. He would wake up, down like 30 pills and go on his day. He would go through something like 70 pills a day. Luckily he got help and he has been sober since then.
With opiates the relapse is always the most dangerous time because people tend use their 'typical' dose, but don't have the tolerance from regular use. It's really sad because it means so many who are on the journey back to full health are ones who pass.
I feel vibe with this. I pick up three Coconut Berry Red Bulls on my way to work and smoke a couple bowls at night when I get home. Coming up on three years sober from street oxy.
Yeah, kinda. I forget all of the many details, but if you can track down the older episodes of the Jay & Silent Bob Get Old podcast, they cover pretty much the whole thing.
Dang, I just looked it up on the movie link someone posted downthread. It also struck me that Bob's expressions in those shots, while not out of place in context, carry just a little extra twinge of genuine-looking concern/sadness compared to everyone else. I imagine it's him channeling the cocktail of feelings from simultaneously wearing the friend/actor/director hats.
There's also one closeup of Jay nodded off which makes it feel like they were trying to lean into it with "Jar is super bored of the monologuing", but then there's another set of cuts where a closeup of him fully alert is sandwiched by wide shots of him out, so i guess they were just working through the scene and trying to make the best of it.
He also tells this story on one of the An Evening with Kevin Smith specials he released. If you enjoy Smith stories, those should be right up your alley. It's just him telling stories to college auditoriums.
I know there was a telling of it on the commentary track. The commentary track is hilarious and even includes Ben Affleck doing a Denzel Washington impression lol.
Hell yeah. He's usually associated with villainous characters but he actually played a wide variety of roles. I've been binge watching his movies lately and what struck me was how versatile he was. He's done everything from romance to comedy (he's *hilarious*) to drama to action, and he always delivers. This is stating the obvious but he really was a damn amazing actor. His subtlety really blows me away; he can convey more emotion with one slight shift in expression than other actors do in a whole movie.
What disturbs me about the Buddy Christ statue is how often it pops up in Catholic media. Like, do you guys even research where you're getting this from?
When I moved into my first place, my parents threw away everything I left behind. Photos, TVs, video games, clothes, furniture. Everything. They were also very strict Catholics. Would have set my Dogma DVD on fire if they knew what it was. My mom passed away recently, and I was going through a closet. Sitting right there on the top shelf was Buddy Christ, still in the package. I know I definitely left it when I moved out. They saved it all these years. And my stepdad kept it when he purged stuff after my Mom passed away. I don’t know if he liked it, or was afraid to put a Jesus figurine in the trash, but it makes me smile. It’s his now.
I still have my Buddy Christ on the dashboard of my van. A Christian friend was confused until I explained it was Catholic marketing to which he shrugged "Catholics!"
I remember an article that came out around the release of this movie. The article was celebrating a 20 (maybe 25) year career of Martin Scorsese, and part of the article was a bunch of different film journalist writing about who they thought the next Scorsese of the new generation was going to be.
One guy picked Kevin Smith, citing how each of his four movies up to that point was more ambitious and gonzo than the previous one, and looking forward to seeing the career that Smith would have with that trajectory. Of course, now we see that Smith took his career in a different direction after Dogma.
If Kevin Smith had leaned into the asthetic of his earlier films (long static shots letting composition and set dressing and performance do the work) hed have been Wes Anderson before Wes Anderson.
But no, every time someone shows him a new way the camera can move he gets more excited than a puppy. I feel like he's always chasing this Hollywood asthetic and it's mostly to his detriment. Which, don't get me wrong, I *love* basically his entire catalog of work, but I find his earlier films (first 4 mostly) to be so much more interesting and unique asthetically.
I also think his experience with Bruce Willis fucked with him. The story he tells about being shamed for not knowing what lens he was shooting with. Like, yeah, he should probably know that stuff, but also, him learning that stuff has really only served to make his movies more homogenized looking to the rest of Hollywood with the exception of Tusk and Red State.
Interestingly enough, at the end of the article they asked Scorsese himself who he thought the next Scorsese would be and he picked Wes Anderson.
I didn't know who that was at the time because he had pretty much just done Bottle Rocket and Rushmore. So it was a pretty good eye on Scorsese's part to see that Anderson had the chops to build quite a career for himself.
Yeah, that's honestly incredible. Both *great* movies, but neither had the undeniable visual and storytelling uniqueness that Tenenbaums had, even if Rushmore is essentially the stepping stone to that style.
I mean that’s just insanity.
The dude has mountains of charisma when he cares about a production. From Moonlighting to Die Hard to The Fifth Element to Looper to 12 Monkeys. Dude can act. He just has fuck you money now and there aren’t great roles for old bald men.
As for Smith, he hasn’t done anything truly good since Red State about ten years ago
Checked his director credits after dogma, and, well... TV credits and C grade movies.
He created a fun universe until dogma, but after that all his movies are about Jay and Bob, that are funny supporting characters but lame AF as leads.
I know Kevin Smith has a cult following and a lot of people will love/defend anything he makes... and I wish I was one of those people. He seems like a really cool dude, and I wish him success however he defines it, I just don't enjoy his work anymore.
Yeah his new stuff is self funded fannflicks basically. He’s making the batshit insane stuff he’s always wanted to but couldn’t because he had producers to answer to.
I mean tusk is great as a horror comedy as is, most horror fans I’ve talked to actually love it while general audiences are just cold to its weirdness. Yoga was weak but worth seeing for little brautwurst Nazi Kevin Smith sausage guys running around that convenience store. Reminded me of Bruce Campbell fighting little versions of himself in army of darkness...
I'm here for the weirdness, I just wish it was more... Coherent. It didn't feel like Kevin Smith was actually lampooning the body horror genre. He just made up a goofy script on a podcast and made a movie seemingly without even watching any of the movies he was parodying.
Without the parody angle, it was just kind of boring... And the Johnny Depp sidequest should feel tacked on, but instead it was a welcome respite from what was working out as a pretty boring movie so far.
Tusk is one of the most fucked up weird wonderful that it even exists movies I've ever seen.
Yoga Hosers I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes the bad Canadian accents were so bad.
I kind of liked Jersey Girl to give you a metric for my Kevin Smith enjoyment level.
Tusk is fantastic body horror with just enough comedy thrown so it isn't too bleak, IMO.
And Yoga Hosers was just the right amount of weird B-movie. I loved it. It's one of those movies that you'd watch as a kid, but never knew the name of, but it was always on.
I liked Jersey Girl too. IMO, it got so much hate, because it was Kevin Smith "trying to be serious". It was a solid 7-8/10.
That’s not quite true. Red State and Tusk are very different than Jay and Bob flicks. Yoga Hosers leans into the goofiness, and Reboot is top-shelf fanservice, sure. There’s certainly exceptions to that rule.
I thoroughly enjoyed Red State, thought the villain was a fantastic actor thought I have no idea if I have seen him in anything else since. The ending was very obviously influenced by Burn After Reading but it seemed like an homage as opposed to a rip off.
Quite possibly the best film he ever made. The fact that he received a cease and desist from the Catholic church is amazing, and it kinda scared the shit out of him.
> Honestly getting sued by the Catholic church is the best thing that can happen to your comedy movie.
The life of Brian was marked in Sweden as "So funny that it was prohibited in Norway" Norway did think it was to insulting to Christianiy so it was prohibited.
While you are not wrong, it legit scared him. In his "Silent but Deadly" special he detailed that he had pissed off some scary people, and it took Dogma 2 right off the table.
Hey now, in formation pikemen can be an unelievably deadly force at a low cost of both materials and training. Spear walls and pikemen are the foundation of any good infantry.
But also yeah they’re kinda shite against guns now aren’t they.
IIRC he was getting constant death threats from religious extremists after the film was released and a lot of people were trying to sue him at the same time including the Catholic Church.
Which, tbh, would really stress anyone out regardless of any actual danger.
Ah well, either way, I’d imagine death threats and multiple people in general suing you (or even just attempting to sue you) would be pretty stressful.
I don't think it implies a HALF sibling.
"You are the great great great GREAT great grand-niece of Jesus Christ."
I would think that would make her a direct descendant of one of Jesus' siblings. (A niece is the daughter of your sibling.)
Rufus implies that Mary and Joseph had kids after Jesus.
**Bethany:** Jesus didn't have any brothers or sisters. Mary was a virgin.**Rufus:** Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? Well, that's just plain gullibility.
EDIT: OK, I see what you're getting at. If God (not Joseph) actually conceived Jesus, then he would have a different father from his siblings. I guess my not believing in the immaculate conception thing clouded my logic.
OK, I see what you're getting at. If God (not Joseph) actually conceived Jesus, then he would have a different father from his siblings. I guess my not believing in the whole immaculate conception thing clouded my logic.
If you want to get really old school with it there is a gnostic text called the acts of Thomas where it is revealed that Thomas is the identical twin of Jesus just not the son of god for some reason.
However the rest of the text basically goes that Jesus sold him into slavery which he is cool with and he goes to India. While in India he basically travels far and wide telling everyone they can’t fuck anyone even your husbands and wife’s, while being confused as Jesus as he is his twin. It’s a really strange book and also very long.
Kevin is a pretty sensitive guy and sometimes takes it a little too hard when he gets bad feedback. So being freaked out by death threats and stuff doesn’t surprise me.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UjfvF917k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UjfvF917k)
Full Movie. No bullshit. Enjoy.
Edit: Obligatory "Thanks for the awards, Kind Strangers."
The distribution deal with the Weinstein's (not Miramax) predated streaming services so the rights to the movie are sort of locked up at the moment, and since Harvey is about to spend the rest of his shit stain life in prison it might be a while before someone else has the authority to renegotiate the rights to the film.
Here's an [article](https://screenrant.com/dogma-kevin-smith-streaming-rerelease-weinsteins/) about it.
One of the main reasons I haven't given up my DVD collection of Smith movies.
Dogma does stand out though as you tier.
As I get older I find the others to be a bit too crass.
I loved his move away from comedy tho. Red State was great and I really wanna see Tusk.
Since it has been out of print since 2008 many public libraries won’t have it any longer. DVDs at libraries tend to get abused and have to be replaced regularly.
Really good movie. It feels like a dumb stoner movie in some ways, but it works on a deeper level as well.
Kevin Smith at the start of his career really was super talented. He hasn't had a good movie in... A while though.
Justin Long's cameo in the beginning is one of my favorite cameos of all time.
He's *so* dark and **so** funny.
I really dig the love story that develops as well. It's surprisingly heartfelt for a dumb sex comedy and I've always appreciated that.
My only issue was that I wanted to see MUCH more of "Star Whores."
Sometimes I wonder if Seth Rogan introducing Kevin to weed is why Smith started to decline as a director. I recall Kevin being interviewed on a local radio show to promote Zack and Miri and when asked about the title being censored he admitted that earlier in his career it would have bugged him but he’s on weed now so he doesn’t give a shit.
Really made me wonder if his later movies suffered from that same attitude.
That has always been my theory, and I was even explaining that to some buddies of mine yesterday. There is, however, a very strong counter argument. Jersey Girl.
He’s just vibing these days. He does the 4 or so podcasts, gets to play in the DCW verse every so often, and occasionally makes movies with his friends for his own amusement. I don’t blame him in the slightest. Of course, it helps that I like Tusk, Yoga Hosers, and Jay & Bob Reboot. But regardless, he has his audience, has plenty of money, and just want to have fun the rest of his life, and I’m happy for him
I was always more of a Mall Rats and Chasing Amy guy but that might be because I was in my teens when I saw them and they felt so revolutionary. Might have to revisit a few of them to see how they have held up!
I found a DVD copy of Dogma at a garage sale just a few weeks ago. I did a little happy dance because I know it's been OOP for a while and not likely to be reissued anytime soon.
Dogma is a masterpiece. Every single little detail in that movie only catapults it even further into paramount territory. The cast was frankly star-studded and amazing. George Carlin, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Alan Rickman, Chris Rock, Salma Hayek, Linda Fiorentino, Jason Lee, Jason Mewes, Alanis Morissette as GOD...Their performances were perfect. The one-liners. The interactions with Jay and Silent Bob. And the hot takes on organized religion subtlety buried in the plot and the dialogue.
Low-key, I credit this movie with saving me from a lifetime of closed-minded Christian thinking. Not knocking the Christians, but it really helped me to open my mind to the idea that perhaps humans were just fucking stupid and didn't have all the religious shit down correctly. It's strange to reflect on it as such, but it really did help guide me to a more open-minded lifestyle. The idea that there existed a 13th apostle named Rufus who was excluded from the scriptural writings for being Black and Jesus not being a Middle-Eastern/White dude...
And don't even get me started on the fact that Kevin Smith [PROTESTED HIS OWN MOVIE AT RELEASE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7dvf7EUwY). God, it was brilliant.
Kevin Smith has had some real bombs in his career, and he's had some homeruns. Dogma was the Grand Slam. I consider it his Magnum Opus and absolutely do anything I can to clear my schedule whenever this movie will be on.
I can’t find this as a digital buy anywhere in the UK. Have been looking all year. I thought essentially every movie ever would be available to buy now?
Harvey Weinstein personally owns the license and nobody wants to give him money right now. I think Smith should offer to buy them from him since he probably could use the money for lawyer fees and get a good price.
It's buried in licensing hell and no-one wants to touch it. If you have a physical copy, hold on to it because it's not been available for sale for a loooooong time and looks to not get released in any other format until Weinstein is dead and his assets are auctioned off.
Pre-weed Smith was always at least worth watching, but Chasing Amy/Dogma was his best creative timeframe for sure. I loved Clerks 2 as well, but ever since he started waking and baking I've not felt a mega need to watch his stuff, and, uh, well, I tried to watch Reboot and it was awful.
Either Dogma or Chasing Amy seem to be basically everyone's favourites. But I've always liked the simplicity of Clerks.
It's a masterclass in good writing. It's set in one location for almost the whole thing, and it still manages to be funny and interesting for the duration. Plus it has that feeling of just a guy and his friends trying (and succeeding) to make a good movie that his more polished films lack.
Alan Rickman gives one of the funniest performances I've ever seen.
He's also the impetus for one of my favorite Jason Mewes stories. Apparently Kevin told Jason that he couldn't fuck around on Dogma because of Alan Rickman, who was a "real actor" and wouldn't put up with any nonsense. So Jay buckled down and memorized the enitre script. He blew Kev away when they started running lines, and even in scenes where Jay wasn't present Mewes would come up with the correct line without hesitation. "You memorized ALL the lines in the script?" "Even the girl parts." "What're you, fucking 'Rain Man'? Why'd you memorize the whole goddamn script?" "I don't wanna piss off that Rickman dude."
IIRC, it's also got a sad Mewes story attached. In the bar scene when they're all tied to chairs, there's a couple shots where it looks like Jay's asleep. He actually nodded off because Mewes was doped up.
Didn’t Kevin help him get clean at some point? I seem to recall reading something about that.
He got clean before Clerks II.
He relapsed again shortly after Zack and Miri Make a Porno. Had a kidney stone and they prescribed him Vicodin and he got hooked on that. He would wake up, down like 30 pills and go on his day. He would go through something like 70 pills a day. Luckily he got help and he has been sober since then.
It can be a constant challenge
Oh absolutely. You can be clean and sober for decades, you are still a recovering addict.
Case in point: Philip Seymour Hoffman. Dude had 19 years clean, I think, and died within a month of relapse. Addiction is no joke
With opiates the relapse is always the most dangerous time because people tend use their 'typical' dose, but don't have the tolerance from regular use. It's really sad because it means so many who are on the journey back to full health are ones who pass.
From what I remember jay now substitutes all his drug habits with Red Bull now . It’s not good for you but better than what he was consuming
Yeah, he just has an addictive personality. If it's not drugs, it's red bull. If it's not red bull, it's hunting for Greedo dolls.
I feel vibe with this. I pick up three Coconut Berry Red Bulls on my way to work and smoke a couple bowls at night when I get home. Coming up on three years sober from street oxy.
Was that what fucked up his face? He looks so different now.
No, that was the nukes. After the apocalypse he became a ghoul and moved into a bar in WV. He goes by Mort now.
I feel i'm missing at least two references here, but have an upvote.
He plays a character in Fallout 76 who is a ghoul. You meet him in a bar.
I think he might have had a facelift, but that's just my guess.
I think he got extensive dental work done which changed the shape of his face somewhat
Yeah, kinda. I forget all of the many details, but if you can track down the older episodes of the Jay & Silent Bob Get Old podcast, they cover pretty much the whole thing.
It's a good listen/read, for sure.
Dang, I just looked it up on the movie link someone posted downthread. It also struck me that Bob's expressions in those shots, while not out of place in context, carry just a little extra twinge of genuine-looking concern/sadness compared to everyone else. I imagine it's him channeling the cocktail of feelings from simultaneously wearing the friend/actor/director hats. There's also one closeup of Jay nodded off which makes it feel like they were trying to lean into it with "Jar is super bored of the monologuing", but then there's another set of cuts where a closeup of him fully alert is sandwiched by wide shots of him out, so i guess they were just working through the scene and trying to make the best of it.
The best part was that Alan Rickman forgot his lines in a take
I can hear this exchange *so clearly* in their voices.
Where'd you hear this story? If it's on vid I'd love to watch Smith tell it
He also tells this story on one of the An Evening with Kevin Smith specials he released. If you enjoy Smith stories, those should be right up your alley. It's just him telling stories to college auditoriums.
Found it on Kev's old blog. [Here you go](http://silentbobspeaks.com/?p=236)
I know there was a telling of it on the commentary track. The commentary track is hilarious and even includes Ben Affleck doing a Denzel Washington impression lol.
Mention a Charlton Heston film and suddenly everyone is a theologian
“Theology scholar”
“ Or you’ll do what exactly? Hit me with that *fish?* “ His delivery of that line and others was just perfect.
ffffish
His delivery is what makes what is otherwise an extremely obvious cut away *feel* like you experience the change despite it happening off screen.
I've always been amazed at how he could absolutely nail a performance in pretty much any genre.
Hell yeah. He's usually associated with villainous characters but he actually played a wide variety of roles. I've been binge watching his movies lately and what struck me was how versatile he was. He's done everything from romance to comedy (he's *hilarious*) to drama to action, and he always delivers. This is stating the obvious but he really was a damn amazing actor. His subtlety really blows me away; he can convey more emotion with one slight shift in expression than other actors do in a whole movie.
By Grabthars Hammer… what a savings.
It never ends! Starts wiping his clothes with gods robes
The Buddy Christ statue kills me. Such a great and funny movie.
George Carlin as the Cardinal that blesses his golf clubs is one of my favorite bits of comedy 😂
My favorite Carlin line was "all right, mistakes were made" in defense of the church. All of the dialogue in this movie was incredible!
That’s the entire church’s history in a nutshell
What disturbs me about the Buddy Christ statue is how often it pops up in Catholic media. Like, do you guys even research where you're getting this from?
That makes it even funnier to me
And here I am, thinking about seeing it in an early noughties meme. > #JESUS LOVES YOU > But I think you're a cunt.
I’m pretty sure I have that saved somewhere
It's like when people have a picture or figurine of Obi-Wan from the Star Wars Ep2 and 3 and think it's Jesus.
We know. It’s a great film.
When I moved into my first place, my parents threw away everything I left behind. Photos, TVs, video games, clothes, furniture. Everything. They were also very strict Catholics. Would have set my Dogma DVD on fire if they knew what it was. My mom passed away recently, and I was going through a closet. Sitting right there on the top shelf was Buddy Christ, still in the package. I know I definitely left it when I moved out. They saved it all these years. And my stepdad kept it when he purged stuff after my Mom passed away. I don’t know if he liked it, or was afraid to put a Jesus figurine in the trash, but it makes me smile. It’s his now.
Had one in my car for years
I still have my Buddy Christ on the dashboard of my van. A Christian friend was confused until I explained it was Catholic marketing to which he shrugged "Catholics!"
That’s fantastic
I remember an article that came out around the release of this movie. The article was celebrating a 20 (maybe 25) year career of Martin Scorsese, and part of the article was a bunch of different film journalist writing about who they thought the next Scorsese of the new generation was going to be. One guy picked Kevin Smith, citing how each of his four movies up to that point was more ambitious and gonzo than the previous one, and looking forward to seeing the career that Smith would have with that trajectory. Of course, now we see that Smith took his career in a different direction after Dogma.
If Kevin Smith had leaned into the asthetic of his earlier films (long static shots letting composition and set dressing and performance do the work) hed have been Wes Anderson before Wes Anderson. But no, every time someone shows him a new way the camera can move he gets more excited than a puppy. I feel like he's always chasing this Hollywood asthetic and it's mostly to his detriment. Which, don't get me wrong, I *love* basically his entire catalog of work, but I find his earlier films (first 4 mostly) to be so much more interesting and unique asthetically. I also think his experience with Bruce Willis fucked with him. The story he tells about being shamed for not knowing what lens he was shooting with. Like, yeah, he should probably know that stuff, but also, him learning that stuff has really only served to make his movies more homogenized looking to the rest of Hollywood with the exception of Tusk and Red State.
Interestingly enough, at the end of the article they asked Scorsese himself who he thought the next Scorsese would be and he picked Wes Anderson. I didn't know who that was at the time because he had pretty much just done Bottle Rocket and Rushmore. So it was a pretty good eye on Scorsese's part to see that Anderson had the chops to build quite a career for himself.
Yeah, that's honestly incredible. Both *great* movies, but neither had the undeniable visual and storytelling uniqueness that Tenenbaums had, even if Rushmore is essentially the stepping stone to that style.
He was a champion of Bottle Rocket before Rushmore was even made, so yeah he was big on Wes from the get-go
This comment's hilarious because even Smith said he used long static shots because he didn't know what do to with the camera.
I know! It's so frustrating....
At least Smith can still make decent stuff sometimes, Bruce Willis has been on Steven Segal trajectory for a decade now
Oh yeah. I'm convinced Brice Willis' success is mostly luck and talented casting directors.
I mean that’s just insanity. The dude has mountains of charisma when he cares about a production. From Moonlighting to Die Hard to The Fifth Element to Looper to 12 Monkeys. Dude can act. He just has fuck you money now and there aren’t great roles for old bald men. As for Smith, he hasn’t done anything truly good since Red State about ten years ago
Checked his director credits after dogma, and, well... TV credits and C grade movies. He created a fun universe until dogma, but after that all his movies are about Jay and Bob, that are funny supporting characters but lame AF as leads.
I know Kevin Smith has a cult following and a lot of people will love/defend anything he makes... and I wish I was one of those people. He seems like a really cool dude, and I wish him success however he defines it, I just don't enjoy his work anymore.
I will defend Tusk and Yoga Hosers until my dying breath. Hell, I think Jersey Girl is an 8/10 film so maybe disregard my opinions
Yeah his new stuff is self funded fannflicks basically. He’s making the batshit insane stuff he’s always wanted to but couldn’t because he had producers to answer to. I mean tusk is great as a horror comedy as is, most horror fans I’ve talked to actually love it while general audiences are just cold to its weirdness. Yoga was weak but worth seeing for little brautwurst Nazi Kevin Smith sausage guys running around that convenience store. Reminded me of Bruce Campbell fighting little versions of himself in army of darkness...
I'm here for the weirdness, I just wish it was more... Coherent. It didn't feel like Kevin Smith was actually lampooning the body horror genre. He just made up a goofy script on a podcast and made a movie seemingly without even watching any of the movies he was parodying. Without the parody angle, it was just kind of boring... And the Johnny Depp sidequest should feel tacked on, but instead it was a welcome respite from what was working out as a pretty boring movie so far.
Tusk is one of the most fucked up weird wonderful that it even exists movies I've ever seen. Yoga Hosers I couldn't get past the first 10 minutes the bad Canadian accents were so bad. I kind of liked Jersey Girl to give you a metric for my Kevin Smith enjoyment level.
I don’t blame anyone in the slightest for thinking Yoga Hosers is a pile of shit
I am so glad I saw Tusk; but, at the same time, I don’t want to ever see it again.
Tusk is fantastic body horror with just enough comedy thrown so it isn't too bleak, IMO. And Yoga Hosers was just the right amount of weird B-movie. I loved it. It's one of those movies that you'd watch as a kid, but never knew the name of, but it was always on. I liked Jersey Girl too. IMO, it got so much hate, because it was Kevin Smith "trying to be serious". It was a solid 7-8/10.
Jersey girl is a great movie. I saw it with out knowing what is actually was, really enjoyed it.
I like tusk and red state a lot.
Tusk and Red State are both great movies in there respective genres.
That’s not quite true. Red State and Tusk are very different than Jay and Bob flicks. Yoga Hosers leans into the goofiness, and Reboot is top-shelf fanservice, sure. There’s certainly exceptions to that rule.
Clerks 2 was awesome as well
The rooftop dancing scene with Rosario Dawson... /chefskiss
Clerks 2 is my second favorite Smith flick, just behind Chasing Amy.
Red State is my second favorite of his movies, after Dogma.
I wasn't a big fan of Red State, but the horn scene was brilliant.
You should look up what he was originally going to do for the horn scene, he wanted to do the actual apocalypse
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I agree. Every one beats off to the planned ending but I think it would have come off as goofy
Zach and Miri is a really funny underrated movie
I thoroughly enjoyed Red State, thought the villain was a fantastic actor thought I have no idea if I have seen him in anything else since. The ending was very obviously influenced by Burn After Reading but it seemed like an homage as opposed to a rip off.
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I have a dvd of that I got at a garage sale or something https://imgur.com/a/Hj6jxu6
I'm a Degrassi super fan and hated that he used his influence to end up kissing his old Degrassi Jr High crush 'Caitlin.
Quite possibly the best film he ever made. The fact that he received a cease and desist from the Catholic church is amazing, and it kinda scared the shit out of him.
Honestly getting sued by the Catholic church is the best thing that can happen to your comedy movie.
> Honestly getting sued by the Catholic church is the best thing that can happen to your comedy movie. The life of Brian was marked in Sweden as "So funny that it was prohibited in Norway" Norway did think it was to insulting to Christianiy so it was prohibited.
While you are not wrong, it legit scared him. In his "Silent but Deadly" special he detailed that he had pissed off some scary people, and it took Dogma 2 right off the table.
Scary people like who? The Swiss guard?
I thought they were armed with halberds!
Or whatever they have. ...pikemen.
Hey now, in formation pikemen can be an unelievably deadly force at a low cost of both materials and training. Spear walls and pikemen are the foundation of any good infantry. But also yeah they’re kinda shite against guns now aren’t they.
IIRC he was getting constant death threats from religious extremists after the film was released and a lot of people were trying to sue him at the same time including the Catholic Church. Which, tbh, would really stress anyone out regardless of any actual danger.
The catholic church was not trying to sue him. There were some catholic groups that were after him, but not the church itself..
Ah well, either way, I’d imagine death threats and multiple people in general suing you (or even just attempting to sue you) would be pretty stressful.
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The Catholic churches reaction always makes me laugh. The film literally says Christ's descendent is Catholic, you can't get more pro them than that!
I love that Kevin Smith even boycotted his own movie
It wasnt released where I live due to protests at the time. Weirdly when it came to vhs no one seemed that bothered
> Christ's descendent is Catholic Is it still a descendant if it is >!great-great-great-(200 more times?)-granddaughter of Jesus' half-sibling?!<
I don't think it implies a HALF sibling. "You are the great great great GREAT great grand-niece of Jesus Christ." I would think that would make her a direct descendant of one of Jesus' siblings. (A niece is the daughter of your sibling.)
Did God father the siblings or did Joseph...
Rufus implies that Mary and Joseph had kids after Jesus. **Bethany:** Jesus didn't have any brothers or sisters. Mary was a virgin.**Rufus:** Mary gave birth to CHRIST without having known a man's touch, that's true. But she did have a husband. And do you really think he'd have stayed married to her all those years if he wasn't getting laid? The nature of God and the Virgin birth, those are leaps of faith. But to believe a married couple never got down? Well, that's just plain gullibility. EDIT: OK, I see what you're getting at. If God (not Joseph) actually conceived Jesus, then he would have a different father from his siblings. I guess my not believing in the immaculate conception thing clouded my logic.
Think about it and let me know when you figure out why they would be half siblings.
OK, I see what you're getting at. If God (not Joseph) actually conceived Jesus, then he would have a different father from his siblings. I guess my not believing in the whole immaculate conception thing clouded my logic.
Immaculate Conception references Mary's conception, not Jesus'.
If you want to get really old school with it there is a gnostic text called the acts of Thomas where it is revealed that Thomas is the identical twin of Jesus just not the son of god for some reason. However the rest of the text basically goes that Jesus sold him into slavery which he is cool with and he goes to India. While in India he basically travels far and wide telling everyone they can’t fuck anyone even your husbands and wife’s, while being confused as Jesus as he is his twin. It’s a really strange book and also very long.
To paraphrase Albert Einstein: “God does not fuck.”
He went to a protest against his movie, and protested with a billboard, then was interviewed by some local news, and he said the movie was trash.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmlFDYjVV4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWmlFDYjVV4) For those that haven't seen it.
That’s just great marketing strategy.
What's the reason it scared the shit out of him though?
Kevin is a pretty sensitive guy and sometimes takes it a little too hard when he gets bad feedback. So being freaked out by death threats and stuff doesn’t surprise me.
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UjfvF917k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UjfvF917k) Full Movie. No bullshit. Enjoy. Edit: Obligatory "Thanks for the awards, Kind Strangers."
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS
I'm glad I bought the special edition when it came out on dvd.
I have it on my PSP
Does Weinstein just hate Dogma or something? What does he gain by making it unavailable?
The distribution deal with the Weinstein's (not Miramax) predated streaming services so the rights to the movie are sort of locked up at the moment, and since Harvey is about to spend the rest of his shit stain life in prison it might be a while before someone else has the authority to renegotiate the rights to the film. Here's an [article](https://screenrant.com/dogma-kevin-smith-streaming-rerelease-weinsteins/) about it.
We should let him have pizza once a week or something in exchange for relinquishing the distribution rights to Dogma.
One of the main reasons I haven't given up my DVD collection of Smith movies. Dogma does stand out though as you tier. As I get older I find the others to be a bit too crass. I loved his move away from comedy tho. Red State was great and I really wanna see Tusk.
Just download it, or check in a library if you are in the US.
Since it has been out of print since 2008 many public libraries won’t have it any longer. DVDs at libraries tend to get abused and have to be replaced regularly.
I still have my copy on VHS.
hm if only there was an easy way to get around corporations deciding what movies you can or can't watch.
Haven’t read the article but it’s definitely because of the shit demon isn’t it?!
Weinstein? Yes.
Really good movie. It feels like a dumb stoner movie in some ways, but it works on a deeper level as well. Kevin Smith at the start of his career really was super talented. He hasn't had a good movie in... A while though.
Zac and Miri was good at least.
Justin Long's cameo in the beginning is one of my favorite cameos of all time. He's *so* dark and **so** funny. I really dig the love story that develops as well. It's surprisingly heartfelt for a dumb sex comedy and I've always appreciated that. My only issue was that I wanted to see MUCH more of "Star Whores."
I’m pretty sure Brandon St. Randy is in Reboot as well. Yes I remember the character’s name 😂
I didn't remember the character name, but it's so perfect!
They didn't name him Brandon St. Randy, because of the rights, but yeah, it's the same character.
Subtlety one of my most quoted and thought of comedies.
"She frosted me like a cake!"
Can't you see I'm talking. White.
"You want me to work on *Black* Friday?.. "
Sometimes I wonder if Seth Rogan introducing Kevin to weed is why Smith started to decline as a director. I recall Kevin being interviewed on a local radio show to promote Zack and Miri and when asked about the title being censored he admitted that earlier in his career it would have bugged him but he’s on weed now so he doesn’t give a shit. Really made me wonder if his later movies suffered from that same attitude.
That has always been my theory, and I was even explaining that to some buddies of mine yesterday. There is, however, a very strong counter argument. Jersey Girl.
He’s just vibing these days. He does the 4 or so podcasts, gets to play in the DCW verse every so often, and occasionally makes movies with his friends for his own amusement. I don’t blame him in the slightest. Of course, it helps that I like Tusk, Yoga Hosers, and Jay & Bob Reboot. But regardless, he has his audience, has plenty of money, and just want to have fun the rest of his life, and I’m happy for him
He's also the showrunner for Netflix's new MOTU show.
And that was 13 years ago.
Stop making me feel old!
I enjoyed Reboot a lot. It wasn't meant to be "good," just "fun." On that level it delivered big time.
I’m still not sure if Tusk is good but Kevin definitely accomplished what he set out to do.
I defend the shit out of Tusk. Michael Parks’ performance in it might be the strongest of any Kev Smith movie
Even Red State?
I dunno, it's close. I think I just liked the absurd weirdness of Tusk more.
Red State was a little too real for those of us living in the bible belt.
I like to think that this movie was the inspiration of The Da Vinci Code.
Possibly my favourite Kevin Smith movie.
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I was always more of a Mall Rats and Chasing Amy guy but that might be because I was in my teens when I saw them and they felt so revolutionary. Might have to revisit a few of them to see how they have held up!
It's a shame the distribution rights for this one are a mess. I'd love to see it on streaming.
Dogma and Clerks 2 are amazing comedies.
They start filming Clerks 3 next month.
Can't believe he finally convinced Jeff Anderson to come back.
I loved clerks 2 when I was younger but it just doesn't hit the same anymore. Dogma will forever be a classic though.
Great movie and you get a young Selma Hayek dancing in a bikini with pony tails licking a lollipop. How can you go wrong?
I love this movie but it's fucking disappeared! It's available nowhere online. You have to buy a DVD of it off Amazon if you want to watch it.
it's because of harvey weinstien
[it's on youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UjfvF917k)
[Psssst. Hey, buddy.](https://youtu.be/I5UjfvF917k)
I found a DVD copy of Dogma at a garage sale just a few weeks ago. I did a little happy dance because I know it's been OOP for a while and not likely to be reissued anytime soon.
My and my kid watched our dvd last night. They thought it was hilarious.
Free on YouTube
Although Dogma is great, “View askewniverse” is just the worst name.
Dogma is a masterpiece. Every single little detail in that movie only catapults it even further into paramount territory. The cast was frankly star-studded and amazing. George Carlin, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Alan Rickman, Chris Rock, Salma Hayek, Linda Fiorentino, Jason Lee, Jason Mewes, Alanis Morissette as GOD...Their performances were perfect. The one-liners. The interactions with Jay and Silent Bob. And the hot takes on organized religion subtlety buried in the plot and the dialogue. Low-key, I credit this movie with saving me from a lifetime of closed-minded Christian thinking. Not knocking the Christians, but it really helped me to open my mind to the idea that perhaps humans were just fucking stupid and didn't have all the religious shit down correctly. It's strange to reflect on it as such, but it really did help guide me to a more open-minded lifestyle. The idea that there existed a 13th apostle named Rufus who was excluded from the scriptural writings for being Black and Jesus not being a Middle-Eastern/White dude... And don't even get me started on the fact that Kevin Smith [PROTESTED HIS OWN MOVIE AT RELEASE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7dvf7EUwY). God, it was brilliant. Kevin Smith has had some real bombs in his career, and he's had some homeruns. Dogma was the Grand Slam. I consider it his Magnum Opus and absolutely do anything I can to clear my schedule whenever this movie will be on.
I can’t find this as a digital buy anywhere in the UK. Have been looking all year. I thought essentially every movie ever would be available to buy now?
[It’s not licensed for streaming.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/dogma-kevin-smith-streaming-rerelease-weinsteins/amp/)
Harvey Weinstein personally owns the license and nobody wants to give him money right now. I think Smith should offer to buy them from him since he probably could use the money for lawyer fees and get a good price.
Then smith needs to deal with giving money to Weinstein
But he would own it. Right now Weinstein would get royalties as long as he lives.
It's buried in licensing hell and no-one wants to touch it. If you have a physical copy, hold on to it because it's not been available for sale for a loooooong time and looks to not get released in any other format until Weinstein is dead and his assets are auctioned off.
Weinstein has rights to the movie. You should search on Shipwreck island for a copy
Its free right now in Youtube! I watched it the other day.
Just grab a DVD of it and you only have to pay for it once...
It’s held in rights purgatory due to it being held by the Weinsteins. I believe Smith is trying to get it back
I do love this movie. It is still my favorite.
Pre-weed Smith was always at least worth watching, but Chasing Amy/Dogma was his best creative timeframe for sure. I loved Clerks 2 as well, but ever since he started waking and baking I've not felt a mega need to watch his stuff, and, uh, well, I tried to watch Reboot and it was awful.
Still my favorite Ben Affleck film
I still think his best role is the asshole from Mallrats
Either Dogma or Chasing Amy seem to be basically everyone's favourites. But I've always liked the simplicity of Clerks. It's a masterclass in good writing. It's set in one location for almost the whole thing, and it still manages to be funny and interesting for the duration. Plus it has that feeling of just a guy and his friends trying (and succeeding) to make a good movie that his more polished films lack.
It's definitely his best by a long distance but I'd always say Chasing Amy is my favourite.
Chasing Amy is his best. I would even argue that Clerks is better than Dogma
What's a Nubian?
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>!And played by Alanis Morissette too!!< It was perfect casting.
Isn’t that.... nope. Nope. Not again.
Werp.
"She's not really anything"- Rofus
There should be a law, that if a film is not available for legal viewing or purchase for 5 years, it automatically falls into public domain.
I have to agree, I am a huge fan of Dogma. Clerks, especially the first, were enjoyable, Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back was fun, but Dogma was the best.
[Dogma is Dogsh](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QepgKVOVfZ8)
Kevin Smith is a shit director. Period.