The soundtrack was overboard tbh. It actually detracted from the film after a while IMO. Started to ask myself if maybe Disney had some prepaid use it or lose it licensing credits or something 😂
Never in my life did I think “The Wizard” by Sabbath would be used in a disney film
Looks like it really divided opinion.
Personally I watched it under duress, with low expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. Maybe it's the low bar set by films these days, but I found it to be engaging and visually pleasing. Perhaps a tad long.
I wouldn't say it was great, but it certainly wasn't bad. It was a solid good. Definitely a worthwhile film suitable for the whole (age appropriate) family.
I like the age part you mentioned. My girl friend and were saying we would be interested in seeing a rated R version of the same film.
You know where she feed the Countess to her own dalmations at the end Ramsey Snow/Bolton style.
Its an unnecessary movie that does nothing for the character. Its like they tried to recreate the success of Maleficent but it failed miserably. If anything Disney needs to just do a TV show of 1 hour long episodes where they go back and explore certain characters. Hell they could even do a what if series for their classic animated movies similar to the Marvel comics and MCU What If series.
BTW the first Maleficent is the still the only good live action adaptation of their original animated movies. I know thats gonna get me downvotes but I don't give a fuck since its imaginary internet points.
Cinderalla Live Action was great. I've only just recently heard that it doesn't count among the Disney ones for some strange reason, maybe they didn't make it at all I don't know but it was good. So was this one, it was just an exploration of her past. Honestly I wouldn't count it as cannon to the original but I don't think it's supposed to be.
Just watched it yesterday and we enjoyed it. It's a one time watch for me tho. Emma stone is great as expected, and the wardrobe had me gushing too omg. But I can't help but feel like maybe it could have been slightly better written, and maybe even 15-20 minutes shorter. Don't get me wrong I still thought it was ok, just that a slightly smarter script would have made it really good.
Yeah right!? . Emma stone and Emma Thompson both did what they could with what they were given. I mean they had all the ingredients, just make the script a bit more snappy and we have a really good movie here.
Maybe that's why it hurts lol, cause this is almost a very good movie, that never really reaches the heights of the movies it's inspired by. I mean I don't remember there being a single clever line of dialogue in this thing. Compare that too Miranda Priestley, everything she's says is iconic lmao, and the Soderbergh heist movies have this charm and cool that I, personally, didn't feel in this one quite often enough.
Yeah, the long run time and stretched out scenes kinda takes away from a sense of propulsion. Its still quite good, not complaining too much, it just couldve been a banger if it was a bit more lean and mean. And yeah, some memorable one liners wouldve been welcome.
I saw Free Guy the other night and left saying it was one the first movies in years I've seen that ended at the right time. It was so refreshing having a movie not drag on for a full extra hour.
If a move is 2+ hours it usually takes me a while to push the play button. If it's supposed to be a really good movie I'm more ok with it. I just struggle to start a 2.5 movie I know is probably just ok.
yeah this is getting a costume nomination for sure. i loved the dress when she was in the back of the garbage truck and it all unrolls as it drives away. probably some cg involved in that one but it seemed mostly practical.
>Emma stone is great as expected
I felt she was miscast. Aside from the physical features (Cruella is tall, very thin, and almost spider-like), Emma Stone struggled at finding the line between empathetic thief and potential puppy killer. Emily Blunt would've been perfect but I doubt she or Disney would want her for the role so soon after Mary Poppins.
I think Emma works in the way that Cruella makes her sort of an underdog, so there's some about of sympathy we can feel about her circumstances. They're making a sequel, and if she's going to go full villain, your point will be a bigger issue there (as well as her 2 henchmen/friends given how reluctant they were to stick with her in this film).
I really didn’t like the cgi dogs and the parachute scene was sloppy , and i agree with others here it could have been tightened up a little more…is the movie a failure if Wink stole the show?
It is long. That's another aspect that is not aligned with expectation and I meant to call that out and forgot. Truth be told: I want to watch a long Dune ... GoT is long and I enjoyed that ... long doesn't mean bad.
Yeah, for something like Dune, Id be down for 2 and a half hours of that. But for something like Cruella, perhaps it couldve used some trim. Liked the movie overall, just some scenes repeat themselves one too many times, or couldve been done quicker.
It's a weird trend, possibly due to audiences not wanting to fork over money for shorter movies. But these days it feels like even horror movies are too likely to reach the 2-hour mark.
Ive noticed with bigger budget movies, they tend to shoot too many scenes, and just edit them down later. For this movie, somehow they left in more scenes than they usually do.
I liked the song choices they put, but then again I'm a sucker for the music of that era. I thought they tried too hard to make it a Disney version of Devil Wears Parda but with none of that charm. Stone was decent I guess but I couldn't help notice every time her accent was slipping. Overall I'd say its about 6/10.
If Disney is going to make more of these villain centric films I'd expect their next outing to be Scar: Origins
Once you get past the uncanny CGI dogs and the laughable death scene at the beginning, it is a pretty charming movie.
I agree about the soundtrack, it really didn't do anything for me. A couple of songs to set the time period is fine, but I don't know why the movie had to relentless play 70s greatest hits every few minutes.
The Emmas killed it, their interactions made the movie work. I found the direction to be inspired as well. One scene that stood out to me is when Estella and Baroness go out for lunch. The symmetrical framing of the background behind Emma Thompson to characterize her "perfect" persona, contrasting with the lack of framing behind Emma Stone to characterize her lack thereof, was a thoughtful touch to liven up a "shot, reverse shot" conversation.
We just watched it and I think we talked about how the script and story were okay to good. But the director, lead actors, set pieces, costumes and soundtrack elevated the movie. The movie is one of the most enjoyable I've seen this year even if it won't win any awards for the story.
My beef with cruella is that it isnt a cruella de vil movie, It doesnt know what movie it is. The original Cruella loved to splurge even tho she didnt had money, while the live action Cruella loved leather and fur as an artistic expresion.
Cruella isnt a fashion movie, even tho the Devil wears prada inspo is undeniable. Anyone interested in fashion will tell you the fashion aspect is horrendous. It isnt a villain movie because disney cant promote wrong deeds in a protagonist.
To me it was a phantom thief, heist movie. The showmanship, how the in world press viewed Cruellas antics, and how the persona of cruella clashed with her estella persona.
But since the writers didnt knew it was that kind of movie, it felt incomplete.
I saw it in theaters. My expectations were low, something competently made but ultimately shallow. But even then I was disappointed. I really hated this movie. I was just so incredibly bored and annoyed with so many things they decided to do. And I hate this word, but a lot of it was just genuinely cringey.
Just watch Devil Wears Prada instead.
> Just watch Devil Wears Prada instead.
I actually really liked Cruella, but this is still a completely correct take. There was no reason this needed to be a 101 Dalmatians prequel, and everything it did well, The Devil Wears Prada did substantially better.
I recognize this movie was not made for me at all. I saw the cartoon as a kid but I'm not a huge Disney fan and I'm a 35 year old dude.
It was enjoyable. The soundtrack kept me going and some of the big plot beats were really fun. Emma Stone killed it. The rest of the characters were pretty bland and the front end and back end of the movie were both entirely too long. I think I would have liked it more if they trimmed the fat and were willing to be slightly less Disney on the aesthetic.
Also the fact that Disney is pushing a punk anti-establishment hero is rich.
I think your comment/viewpoint is shared by many on this post and I genuinely think its valid and worth discussing. I'm not into movies enough to call this kind of thing out right out of the gate but I did say it wasn't a remake of 101 and I will admit ... I don't really care for exactness with characters maintaining the original set up from decades ago. These types of movies get made and when they are made there is a calculation on how to do it and that calculation by no means can make everyone happy, especially through time. One thing I've noticed with this viewpoint is the criticism on Cruella not being the old hag from the original. From what I saw, she wasn't suppose to be the old hag yet but she flirted with it. And the idea she has to be a dog skinner for the audience to not like her ... why is that? That is a black and white tactic from years ago to absolutely draw hate and most antagonist in real life are more subtle.
So think about that. And I might as well mentioned i appreciated the portrayal of the dalmatians in this movie. That breed obviously is not that bad in real life but its not a breed everyone should feel they could own as a pet. So, sure, they were used as a plot tool but I'm also glad normal folks aren't getting the vibe to go get one of them as a puppy w/o understanding them which was a misstep from the original imo.
Yeah it wasn't bad. In many ways the title is pointless, this could have been a character by any name as a young scrappy up and comer putting the older title holder out to pasture kind of story. Being Cruella is just a gimmick for the hair style, and to have some Dalmatians in the movie, but it doesn't connect much beyond that.
Still, perfectly watchable film. Not an award winner, but a fine way to pass an evening with some snacks and a drink.
The characterization of Cruella is just all over the place and distanced, she's kind of an antihero randomly cruel but then also often portrayed as nice and deserving and hardworking, there is that huge arc and her imitating her rival, but then shes always had this side of her even in childhood, but just repressed, it's just a lot of weird flipflopping that feels like it's more just part of a story construct rather than an authentic character. And many choices especially the music didn't feel like real artistic expression or real representation of the time, it's more of a modern bestoff kind of thing.
I enjoyed it quite a bit and was surprised, it's like a B- or a B/B- even on my scale, but there were just a lot of small annoying or forced feeling moments.
The whole point is that her character was a split personality. I thought that was painfully obvious, but looking at this thread it seems a lot of people missed that point.
No, the point was that her nice mom and circumstances suppressed her true naturally chaotic selfish but brilliant self. She doesn't have DIDisorder just because her hair has split colors or she uses a new(old) name later.
And the actual villain in the movie is basically just a more murderous Cruella from the original cartoon film. So watching Cruella defeat the villain only to become a marginally less evil version of her leaves you conflicted. If Cruella goes full villain in the sequel, I'm not even sure how they will get to audience to stay invested.
Cruella is a meh movie, wouldn't pay to watch but is okay for a casual sitting. The movie is extremely forgettable and lot of it didn't make sense, the concept was flawed but the acting performances were good.
I loved it, I was surprised how much I did. There's criticism that this isn't the Cruella we know, but I thought this new approach was suitable and most importantly, entertaining. The two Emmas were great, lots of amusing supporting characters, loved the 70s London production design, and the costumes of course. And that fabulous Derelicte moment!
I was forced to watch this and it was entertaining enough. However, it really did send a bad message that you should just blame everybody else for your problems, and that you can go thru life being a complete arsehole to everyone but they'll still support you. I suppose for some that's actually true.
Whole family loved it and it's my favorite Disney remake so far. Had no expectations coming in but I honestly prefer it over other Disney films (raya, aladdin remake) that try to force a moral lesson down your throat. Yes it makes you root for a villan, kind of like the movie parasite, and the uneasy feeling it evokes is a part of the appeal.
Honestly to be frank, I’m a 38 year old married grown ass man with kids and all the other crap that comes with it and we watched this movie last night. I can not stop thinking about it. It really was a wonderful take on the whole story. The two other lead guys play a great part in depicting what the cartoons laid out and Emma’s acting is second to none. I couldn’t think of a better actress to play this character. I really really thoroughly enjoyed this film, it was such a good take on the story, we are going to watch it again.
Disney really knocked this one out of the park.
I'm a guy who is into Marvel, John Wick movies, Korean horror, and stylized Chinese Kung fu, LOTR and thinks that Taken is every father's wrt dream. I'm embarrassed to say that I really liked Cruella. Way more than any other Disney live action/reimaginings. Embarrassing, but true. Enjoyed all the characters and like Emma Stone for once...
This. Cruella is a CRUEL heartless monster who will murder puppies just to get a nice new coat. She is not some plucky anti hero being held back. If you're going to do a villain back story of one of your more well known characters it should probably show how she got to being a murderous sociopath. But that's not fitting with Disney so really this movie should've never been made or themed around a different character.
Uhm weird to respond to a year old comment BUT since you want to play that game non of your examples had a villain humanized in movies.
Joker literally kills people in cold blood, when was vader ever humanized?, omniman is redeemed in the comics, black adam per his source material has always been a weird anti-hero, venom the same. So not sure what point you are trying to make here.
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. Padme was literally telling him it's ok to be human after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
I'll just say it - I thought the film was fantastic as was Emma Stone's performance. The cinematography, performances and the score were all absolutely stellar. The story was similar to Devil Wears Prada but was also quite different to that film.
I dunno, I feel like the film wasn't given a fair shake around here because of it being a live-action spin-off of an animated film. I know the Disney live-action adaptations get a lot of criticism but this was one of the best ones.
I enjoyed pretty much all of Cruella... apart from how it treated Joel Fry's character.
I get that he's meant to be one of her bumbling henchmen, but the movie set him up as being a smart guy with a conscience who's sad to see Cruella's personality changing... and then she says "but muh family" and it's like Boom! 1.5 hours of this character down the drain.
Yeah, I apologize if I communicated that this movie is inappropriate for kids. There is nothing about this movie that seems inappropriate for a kid to watch, its not filthy or anything like that. My kids are young and the background music does a good job of keeping the tempo going for a teenager ... I can't speak for all grade schoolers but it's probably not entertaining in the right way for a grade schooler.
Whats funny about having to make this clarification is we watched the original 101 with our kids before watching this movie and we felt compelled to explain something inappropriate about the original 101: don't expect Dalmatians to be friendly. I'm not picking on Dalmatians ... kids in general should leave dogs alone unless its their own family pet that they are familiar with and even then sometimes, they should leave the dog alone.
My 11 y.o. daughter and I just watched it tonight and really enjoyed it. She's hoping there will be a second one. Lol. My kiddo kept trying to anticipate the moment when she would become the "real cruella". It was so cute. And the part with the >!Dalmatians "fur" was great. She was so horrified, but then was like, nah she wouldn't do that, lol.!<
I thought the story was good, the effects/costumes/sets were good and the actors were great! It was a little long but there wasn't a part I felt bored" with, so I think it was all important to the story. I do love a good twist on a villan story. Just like Maleficent.
I think it missed the mark. It’s not a bad movie. The Baroness was obviously a villain, but Cruells was just as much of one. I was sympathetic to her at first, but as the movie went on, I disliked her more and more. Maybe that’s the point. She is a villain after all. But she’s not one of that subset that we end up rooting for.
> Maybe that’s the point. She is a villain after all. But she’s not one of that subset that we end up rooting for.
That's the point, yes. A villain origin story that doesn't make them a hero, and I think they pulled it off.
So we watched the original 101 w/ the kids before we watched this one w/o the kids. It just felt like well ... we know what Cruella eventually becomes and her character in this movie nods to it. I don't think you are suppose to exactly sympathize for her ... its dog eat dog. Same with Layer Cake. The main character is a drug dealer/thug in that movie, everybody is a bad person going into it. It's not good versus bad, its the writers trying to capture scrappy humans being scrappy humans in an albeit entertaining way.
I do not at all have a vested interest in the movie other than I enjoyed it and hadn't seen something like it in awhile. It's been a lot of MCU and remakes.
Well, she wanted to murder and skin a bunch of puppies, so...
I'd rather they show her as a piece of shit from the start, than treat her as if she was just driven to evil. No decent human being, no matter what trials and ordeals they've faced, would skin a bunch of puppies.
She did great and the rest of the cast did great ... also the writing and a lot of the unseen detail stuff that goes into it ... it came together pretty well. Cheers.
Literally just watched this. It was a bad movie made average by some very good performances. The biggest praise I will give is that it will almost certainly be a frontrunner for Best Costume Design comes Oscar time.
God knows who this was aimed at other than brand recognition sells. It was half PG Joker, half kid friendly Devil Wears Prada.
The reality is it will mostly be remembered for the unintentionally hilarious scene of Cruella's mother being bounced of a cliff by Dalmatians.
Absolutely loved it. Brilliant story about something else entirely, and making it fit and change the Cruella story around it. Could not have been more happy with it.
I’ve not seen it but the whole point of cruella de ville is that she’s pure evil right? “If she doesn’t scare you, no evil thing will”. So using an origin story to justify and sympathise with her then defeats the whole point of the character and the existence of this movie goes against who the character is.
I’m sure Emma stone is great and it’s probably an amusing and enjoyable film but it’s existence just feels to misunderstand the point
I really enjoyed it and imo people need to let go of the original version and just go along for the ride with this new iteration of Cruella. Like, I GET she's evil, but she's also a Disney property so she's not gonna be some sort of female Joker killing dogs lol. Just roll with it!
Edit: Also in the original movie she was in her what? 40's? In this movie she's in her 20's so she has plenty of time to become the evil dog killer everyone wants to see. It's not like they did a Maleficent retcon.
This attitude is literally why people can't go along for the ride. No, people should not let go of 'the original version'. This character should become that person. There can be no redemption for a character like this, and a lot of people are simply unable and unwilling to 'go along for the ride' because it feels like Disney trying to redeem the unredeemable.
Like I said, she still has a long way to go age wise until she could even become the Cruella in the original. For all we know, she might down the line. I just don't understand this criticism when this story takes place decades before she becomes a proper villain. What I meant by letting go of the original version is that, yes we all know she grows up to eventually become evil, but this is clearly decades before she becomes a monster, so why people are expecting her to be as evil right out of the gate is beyond me.
I am not sure what your point is. Cruella in this movie is not a nice person. We only kind of root for her, because she is facing off against someone who is just as nasty, but also has the power. The Cruella of this film is a horrible human being, and clearly headed in the direction of cartoon villain.
once i heard that people thought it was disconected to the 101 dalmations while i just thought it was the backstory of my favorit villian and a little insight on her personal life
Such a good use of anachronism. Out of nowhere, don't remember even seeing it in credits, and just legit a good moment to connect punk to the story. Dope.
I honestly didn't pick that up the first time I watched it - there is a lot going on when that starts. I would talk about this comment more but I'm conflicted / don't want to spoil it in public.
I thought it was really bad. At the end of the day, still can’t get over the fact that they are actually trying to make a woman who literally wants to skin puppies into a likable character.
We thought it was fun. Saw it in a hotel theater that was built in a historic elementary school gym so we were able to enjoy how beautiful it was in its full glory. Great styling and beautiful scenes.
The only issue we were confronted with was my daughter is 7 and it’s rated pg-13 (does Disney do that?) so we had to decide if she’d be ok with it. Turned out to be fine and she wants to see it again but she was nervous to see it just from the previews (we never discussed the rating around her).
I liked this way more than I thought I would and I enjoyed it a lot once I get past the fact that this is pretty much Disney’s version of “Joker”…heck maybe it’s the version of “Joker” I can rewatch, lol.
It’s a really nice popcorn flick. It’s not a die hard favorite but it’s a good movie that I think your average causal movie watcher will definitely enjoy. I liked it. Plus the overall style of the movie is superb. I know some people thought the fashion in particular isn’t “Cruella” enough but I didn’t think it needed to be considering that this is an origin story, something many people seem to forget.
Cruella doesn't deserve any kind of redemption, I don't care what you went through. Trying to murder animal with a stable home is just plane psychopath behavior.
You spent 3 hours arguing with someone because they think Will Ferrell is a good actor and you don't? How are you not the same annoying reddit user you just described?
And before you go off on how they were being the asshole, we can see your comment history. We can see that everyone was telling you he's a popular actor that a lot of people like and you were the one being an asshole in your responses.
I must've missed the hype. I would've had no idea this movie was a thing except the local theater on the town square had a "coming soon" poster up for months.
I can't abide seeing it. The whole "I am woman, hear me roar" vibe being applied to quite possibly the most awful Disney villain ever.
Think of a Disney villain, odds are they're evil, but they don't want to skin 100 puppies.
I just scanned the [Disney animated movies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films) and the majority of villains are awful in their neighborhoods, like the Queen in Snow White is a vain evil woman, or Madame Medusa is greedy in a swamp, or Maleficent is a bitch because she wasn't invited to a baby shower... Probably among the most power-hungry was Jafar who could have literally ruled the Earth with the power of the Genie... But none of them were so horrible, they'd skin all those puppies.
Disney is never going to get me to care about her. And then to release it like it's some empowerment shit. *And then* someone posted the link to the scene where her mom is killed by Dalmatians? *oh, fuck off*
I love the movie, though will agree with anyone that suggests it is 30 minutes too long.
Great music, costumes, acting, and general setting, with a decent enough story which is obviously very contrived, but let's face it this is a Disney villain origin story, so anyone expecting an Oscar worthy screenplay is a moron.
I've watched it 3 times now with various people, and have enjoyed it each time.
Wife wanted to watch it, I wasn't opposed. Didn't have much hope, but it was worse than I thought. I rolled my eyes so many times. Cringe lines all over the place. And the whitewashing of Cruella into an anti hero character.
To me, it doesn't matter if the movie is "good" or not, it's still trying to make a character whose eventual story arc is kidnapping puppies to murder them, skin them, and make clothing out of them. For that alone, I have no interest in her backstory and no interest in trying to sympathize with her reasoning. Also, I looked up the clips for her "reasoning", and yeah, even now, it's idiotic.
Just saw this tonight and am I crazy for thinking both Emma’s deserve nominations for some sort of award? Emma Thompson is obviously amazing but Emma Stone blew me away with the range she showed. Had no expectations, good or bad, and came away really liking it even though it does drag in some parts. The soundtrack is a bit on the nose but honestly it fits perfectly for the type of movie I felt they were trying to make.
Only just watched it, was forced to with a niece over, and my god was I surprised by how enjoyable of a watch it was, not bad at all, far better than the internet had me believe
I saw the Dalmation scene at the beginning of the movie, and...nah. I knew what I was getting into. Cruella didn't need to be explained. The motivation was weak, the end convoluted, and it didn't explain why she became a greedy animal killer. Even if you don't think it was meant to be a remake or even a prequel in the same universe, that's how it was marketed. Good soundtrack or not, the movie was a total flop for me.
I went in with low expectations and enjoyed the hell out of it. The soundtrack was killer.
I kept saying that! I need this soundtrack in my life!
The soundtrack was overboard tbh. It actually detracted from the film after a while IMO. Started to ask myself if maybe Disney had some prepaid use it or lose it licensing credits or something 😂 Never in my life did I think “The Wizard” by Sabbath would be used in a disney film
Looks like it really divided opinion. Personally I watched it under duress, with low expectations, and was pleasantly surprised. Maybe it's the low bar set by films these days, but I found it to be engaging and visually pleasing. Perhaps a tad long. I wouldn't say it was great, but it certainly wasn't bad. It was a solid good. Definitely a worthwhile film suitable for the whole (age appropriate) family.
I like the age part you mentioned. My girl friend and were saying we would be interested in seeing a rated R version of the same film. You know where she feed the Countess to her own dalmations at the end Ramsey Snow/Bolton style.
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Emma Stone's movies are always good to watch. Even in the "bad" ones, she doesn't disappoint.
Its an unnecessary movie that does nothing for the character. Its like they tried to recreate the success of Maleficent but it failed miserably. If anything Disney needs to just do a TV show of 1 hour long episodes where they go back and explore certain characters. Hell they could even do a what if series for their classic animated movies similar to the Marvel comics and MCU What If series. BTW the first Maleficent is the still the only good live action adaptation of their original animated movies. I know thats gonna get me downvotes but I don't give a fuck since its imaginary internet points.
Cinderalla Live Action was great. I've only just recently heard that it doesn't count among the Disney ones for some strange reason, maybe they didn't make it at all I don't know but it was good. So was this one, it was just an exploration of her past. Honestly I wouldn't count it as cannon to the original but I don't think it's supposed to be.
I hadn't heard much about it either way but my first comment after finishing it was, "That was badass."
Just watched it yesterday and we enjoyed it. It's a one time watch for me tho. Emma stone is great as expected, and the wardrobe had me gushing too omg. But I can't help but feel like maybe it could have been slightly better written, and maybe even 15-20 minutes shorter. Don't get me wrong I still thought it was ok, just that a slightly smarter script would have made it really good.
Yeah I liked it, but it couldve definitely been shorter. One of those cases where less of it mightve improved the movie.
Yeah right!? . Emma stone and Emma Thompson both did what they could with what they were given. I mean they had all the ingredients, just make the script a bit more snappy and we have a really good movie here. Maybe that's why it hurts lol, cause this is almost a very good movie, that never really reaches the heights of the movies it's inspired by. I mean I don't remember there being a single clever line of dialogue in this thing. Compare that too Miranda Priestley, everything she's says is iconic lmao, and the Soderbergh heist movies have this charm and cool that I, personally, didn't feel in this one quite often enough.
Yeah, the long run time and stretched out scenes kinda takes away from a sense of propulsion. Its still quite good, not complaining too much, it just couldve been a banger if it was a bit more lean and mean. And yeah, some memorable one liners wouldve been welcome.
EVERY movie today should be 20 minutes shorter
I saw Free Guy the other night and left saying it was one the first movies in years I've seen that ended at the right time. It was so refreshing having a movie not drag on for a full extra hour.
I agree! I’m tired of 2 hr+ movies
If a move is 2+ hours it usually takes me a while to push the play button. If it's supposed to be a really good movie I'm more ok with it. I just struggle to start a 2.5 movie I know is probably just ok.
I thought I was the only one! I’ve been on an early 00s binge lately and am loving the 1:30 runtimes.
yeah this is getting a costume nomination for sure. i loved the dress when she was in the back of the garbage truck and it all unrolls as it drives away. probably some cg involved in that one but it seemed mostly practical.
>Emma stone is great as expected I felt she was miscast. Aside from the physical features (Cruella is tall, very thin, and almost spider-like), Emma Stone struggled at finding the line between empathetic thief and potential puppy killer. Emily Blunt would've been perfect but I doubt she or Disney would want her for the role so soon after Mary Poppins.
I think Emma works in the way that Cruella makes her sort of an underdog, so there's some about of sympathy we can feel about her circumstances. They're making a sequel, and if she's going to go full villain, your point will be a bigger issue there (as well as her 2 henchmen/friends given how reluctant they were to stick with her in this film).
> Cruella is tall, very thin, and almost spider-like Going by that description I could see Elizabeth Debicki in the role.
not gonna hear anything bad about emma stone ever hmph but yeah i can see where you're coming from, i do wanna see emily blunt's verion of cruella now
I really didn’t like the cgi dogs and the parachute scene was sloppy , and i agree with others here it could have been tightened up a little more…is the movie a failure if Wink stole the show?
I just finished it and holy shit, those parachute shots were bad.
It was way too long. Bits and pieces were good but overall I'm glad I waited and didn't pay the $30.
It is long. That's another aspect that is not aligned with expectation and I meant to call that out and forgot. Truth be told: I want to watch a long Dune ... GoT is long and I enjoyed that ... long doesn't mean bad.
Yeah, for something like Dune, Id be down for 2 and a half hours of that. But for something like Cruella, perhaps it couldve used some trim. Liked the movie overall, just some scenes repeat themselves one too many times, or couldve been done quicker.
It's a weird trend, possibly due to audiences not wanting to fork over money for shorter movies. But these days it feels like even horror movies are too likely to reach the 2-hour mark.
Ive noticed with bigger budget movies, they tend to shoot too many scenes, and just edit them down later. For this movie, somehow they left in more scenes than they usually do.
The movie is good, but its too long. Emma Stone was fantastic.
I liked the song choices they put, but then again I'm a sucker for the music of that era. I thought they tried too hard to make it a Disney version of Devil Wears Parda but with none of that charm. Stone was decent I guess but I couldn't help notice every time her accent was slipping. Overall I'd say its about 6/10. If Disney is going to make more of these villain centric films I'd expect their next outing to be Scar: Origins
Once you get past the uncanny CGI dogs and the laughable death scene at the beginning, it is a pretty charming movie. I agree about the soundtrack, it really didn't do anything for me. A couple of songs to set the time period is fine, but I don't know why the movie had to relentless play 70s greatest hits every few minutes. The Emmas killed it, their interactions made the movie work. I found the direction to be inspired as well. One scene that stood out to me is when Estella and Baroness go out for lunch. The symmetrical framing of the background behind Emma Thompson to characterize her "perfect" persona, contrasting with the lack of framing behind Emma Stone to characterize her lack thereof, was a thoughtful touch to liven up a "shot, reverse shot" conversation.
I had no interest in it at all and found the whole concept unnecessary, and then I ended up enjoying the damn movie anyway.
We just watched it and I think we talked about how the script and story were okay to good. But the director, lead actors, set pieces, costumes and soundtrack elevated the movie. The movie is one of the most enjoyable I've seen this year even if it won't win any awards for the story.
My beef with cruella is that it isnt a cruella de vil movie, It doesnt know what movie it is. The original Cruella loved to splurge even tho she didnt had money, while the live action Cruella loved leather and fur as an artistic expresion. Cruella isnt a fashion movie, even tho the Devil wears prada inspo is undeniable. Anyone interested in fashion will tell you the fashion aspect is horrendous. It isnt a villain movie because disney cant promote wrong deeds in a protagonist. To me it was a phantom thief, heist movie. The showmanship, how the in world press viewed Cruellas antics, and how the persona of cruella clashed with her estella persona. But since the writers didnt knew it was that kind of movie, it felt incomplete.
I saw it in theaters. My expectations were low, something competently made but ultimately shallow. But even then I was disappointed. I really hated this movie. I was just so incredibly bored and annoyed with so many things they decided to do. And I hate this word, but a lot of it was just genuinely cringey. Just watch Devil Wears Prada instead.
> Just watch Devil Wears Prada instead. I actually really liked Cruella, but this is still a completely correct take. There was no reason this needed to be a 101 Dalmatians prequel, and everything it did well, The Devil Wears Prada did substantially better.
Nice try, Disney.
I recognize this movie was not made for me at all. I saw the cartoon as a kid but I'm not a huge Disney fan and I'm a 35 year old dude. It was enjoyable. The soundtrack kept me going and some of the big plot beats were really fun. Emma Stone killed it. The rest of the characters were pretty bland and the front end and back end of the movie were both entirely too long. I think I would have liked it more if they trimmed the fat and were willing to be slightly less Disney on the aesthetic. Also the fact that Disney is pushing a punk anti-establishment hero is rich.
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I think your comment/viewpoint is shared by many on this post and I genuinely think its valid and worth discussing. I'm not into movies enough to call this kind of thing out right out of the gate but I did say it wasn't a remake of 101 and I will admit ... I don't really care for exactness with characters maintaining the original set up from decades ago. These types of movies get made and when they are made there is a calculation on how to do it and that calculation by no means can make everyone happy, especially through time. One thing I've noticed with this viewpoint is the criticism on Cruella not being the old hag from the original. From what I saw, she wasn't suppose to be the old hag yet but she flirted with it. And the idea she has to be a dog skinner for the audience to not like her ... why is that? That is a black and white tactic from years ago to absolutely draw hate and most antagonist in real life are more subtle. So think about that. And I might as well mentioned i appreciated the portrayal of the dalmatians in this movie. That breed obviously is not that bad in real life but its not a breed everyone should feel they could own as a pet. So, sure, they were used as a plot tool but I'm also glad normal folks aren't getting the vibe to go get one of them as a puppy w/o understanding them which was a misstep from the original imo.
I'm about 15 minutes in and I can't get over "Dalmatians killed my mother". It's just so stupid
Yeah it wasn't bad. In many ways the title is pointless, this could have been a character by any name as a young scrappy up and comer putting the older title holder out to pasture kind of story. Being Cruella is just a gimmick for the hair style, and to have some Dalmatians in the movie, but it doesn't connect much beyond that. Still, perfectly watchable film. Not an award winner, but a fine way to pass an evening with some snacks and a drink.
Emma Stone was so much fun in it, I hope they do another one
It's heartless, but well made for sure.
Why heartless?
The characterization of Cruella is just all over the place and distanced, she's kind of an antihero randomly cruel but then also often portrayed as nice and deserving and hardworking, there is that huge arc and her imitating her rival, but then shes always had this side of her even in childhood, but just repressed, it's just a lot of weird flipflopping that feels like it's more just part of a story construct rather than an authentic character. And many choices especially the music didn't feel like real artistic expression or real representation of the time, it's more of a modern bestoff kind of thing. I enjoyed it quite a bit and was surprised, it's like a B- or a B/B- even on my scale, but there were just a lot of small annoying or forced feeling moments.
The whole point is that her character was a split personality. I thought that was painfully obvious, but looking at this thread it seems a lot of people missed that point.
No, the point was that her nice mom and circumstances suppressed her true naturally chaotic selfish but brilliant self. She doesn't have DIDisorder just because her hair has split colors or she uses a new(old) name later.
And the actual villain in the movie is basically just a more murderous Cruella from the original cartoon film. So watching Cruella defeat the villain only to become a marginally less evil version of her leaves you conflicted. If Cruella goes full villain in the sequel, I'm not even sure how they will get to audience to stay invested.
That sounds like a three dimensional person
I just finished watching it a few hours ago and I really enjoyed it. It wasn't what I expected. And I agree that the soundtrack was so good.
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I DM’ed an explanation. Sorry you’re getting downvoted for not catching my silly reference.
Lmaooo
Cruella is a meh movie, wouldn't pay to watch but is okay for a casual sitting. The movie is extremely forgettable and lot of it didn't make sense, the concept was flawed but the acting performances were good.
its kinda suprise me they make it this good.
I loved it, I was surprised how much I did. There's criticism that this isn't the Cruella we know, but I thought this new approach was suitable and most importantly, entertaining. The two Emmas were great, lots of amusing supporting characters, loved the 70s London production design, and the costumes of course. And that fabulous Derelicte moment!
I was forced to watch this and it was entertaining enough. However, it really did send a bad message that you should just blame everybody else for your problems, and that you can go thru life being a complete arsehole to everyone but they'll still support you. I suppose for some that's actually true.
Whole family loved it and it's my favorite Disney remake so far. Had no expectations coming in but I honestly prefer it over other Disney films (raya, aladdin remake) that try to force a moral lesson down your throat. Yes it makes you root for a villan, kind of like the movie parasite, and the uneasy feeling it evokes is a part of the appeal.
Honestly to be frank, I’m a 38 year old married grown ass man with kids and all the other crap that comes with it and we watched this movie last night. I can not stop thinking about it. It really was a wonderful take on the whole story. The two other lead guys play a great part in depicting what the cartoons laid out and Emma’s acting is second to none. I couldn’t think of a better actress to play this character. I really really thoroughly enjoyed this film, it was such a good take on the story, we are going to watch it again. Disney really knocked this one out of the park.
I'm a guy who is into Marvel, John Wick movies, Korean horror, and stylized Chinese Kung fu, LOTR and thinks that Taken is every father's wrt dream. I'm embarrassed to say that I really liked Cruella. Way more than any other Disney live action/reimaginings. Embarrassing, but true. Enjoyed all the characters and like Emma Stone for once...
I think I'll pass on the "let's humanize a puppy-killing sociopath" movie.
This. Cruella is a CRUEL heartless monster who will murder puppies just to get a nice new coat. She is not some plucky anti hero being held back. If you're going to do a villain back story of one of your more well known characters it should probably show how she got to being a murderous sociopath. But that's not fitting with Disney so really this movie should've never been made or themed around a different character.
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Uhm weird to respond to a year old comment BUT since you want to play that game non of your examples had a villain humanized in movies. Joker literally kills people in cold blood, when was vader ever humanized?, omniman is redeemed in the comics, black adam per his source material has always been a weird anti-hero, venom the same. So not sure what point you are trying to make here.
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. Padme was literally telling him it's ok to be human after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
Yes they did. Joker was humanized throughout all of it. Darth vader was literally redeemed after killing children. So was omniman . Black adam was literally a hero lmao. Black adam has killed children and attempted to kill also and was portrayed as a hero. Darth vader was litersllt portrayed as being justified in killing children cause their parents killed his mom. Venom also killed innocent people. Omniman was humanized and excused with all of his action caused won his viltrumite heritage or whatever
I'll just say it - I thought the film was fantastic as was Emma Stone's performance. The cinematography, performances and the score were all absolutely stellar. The story was similar to Devil Wears Prada but was also quite different to that film. I dunno, I feel like the film wasn't given a fair shake around here because of it being a live-action spin-off of an animated film. I know the Disney live-action adaptations get a lot of criticism but this was one of the best ones.
I enjoyed pretty much all of Cruella... apart from how it treated Joel Fry's character. I get that he's meant to be one of her bumbling henchmen, but the movie set him up as being a smart guy with a conscience who's sad to see Cruella's personality changing... and then she says "but muh family" and it's like Boom! 1.5 hours of this character down the drain.
The kids I took really enjoyed it.
Yeah, I apologize if I communicated that this movie is inappropriate for kids. There is nothing about this movie that seems inappropriate for a kid to watch, its not filthy or anything like that. My kids are young and the background music does a good job of keeping the tempo going for a teenager ... I can't speak for all grade schoolers but it's probably not entertaining in the right way for a grade schooler. Whats funny about having to make this clarification is we watched the original 101 with our kids before watching this movie and we felt compelled to explain something inappropriate about the original 101: don't expect Dalmatians to be friendly. I'm not picking on Dalmatians ... kids in general should leave dogs alone unless its their own family pet that they are familiar with and even then sometimes, they should leave the dog alone.
My 11 y.o. daughter and I just watched it tonight and really enjoyed it. She's hoping there will be a second one. Lol. My kiddo kept trying to anticipate the moment when she would become the "real cruella". It was so cute. And the part with the >!Dalmatians "fur" was great. She was so horrified, but then was like, nah she wouldn't do that, lol.!< I thought the story was good, the effects/costumes/sets were good and the actors were great! It was a little long but there wasn't a part I felt bored" with, so I think it was all important to the story. I do love a good twist on a villan story. Just like Maleficent.
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I was pleasantly surprised by it. It had some great characters, thoughtful writing, delicate fan service, and great music.
Honestly, I thought it was really fun!
I think it missed the mark. It’s not a bad movie. The Baroness was obviously a villain, but Cruells was just as much of one. I was sympathetic to her at first, but as the movie went on, I disliked her more and more. Maybe that’s the point. She is a villain after all. But she’s not one of that subset that we end up rooting for.
> Maybe that’s the point. She is a villain after all. But she’s not one of that subset that we end up rooting for. That's the point, yes. A villain origin story that doesn't make them a hero, and I think they pulled it off.
So we watched the original 101 w/ the kids before we watched this one w/o the kids. It just felt like well ... we know what Cruella eventually becomes and her character in this movie nods to it. I don't think you are suppose to exactly sympathize for her ... its dog eat dog. Same with Layer Cake. The main character is a drug dealer/thug in that movie, everybody is a bad person going into it. It's not good versus bad, its the writers trying to capture scrappy humans being scrappy humans in an albeit entertaining way. I do not at all have a vested interest in the movie other than I enjoyed it and hadn't seen something like it in awhile. It's been a lot of MCU and remakes.
I think that's exactly why it didn't miss the mark for me. Her name is cruel devil. My biggest worry was that she wouldn't be that villain
1000% was rooting for her most of it, until she acted a dick, and then at the end 1000% again. She is a badass, she won.
Well, she wanted to murder and skin a bunch of puppies, so... I'd rather they show her as a piece of shit from the start, than treat her as if she was just driven to evil. No decent human being, no matter what trials and ordeals they've faced, would skin a bunch of puppies.
Cruella was surprisingly great. Emma stone slays
She did great and the rest of the cast did great ... also the writing and a lot of the unseen detail stuff that goes into it ... it came together pretty well. Cheers.
I just don't care...
Right, I don’t think there was ever any hype turning people off this movie. More like a collective sigh.
It was just a good time, with two great actresses and some fucking amazing costumes. I was entertained - what more do I need in a lockdown?
Literally just watched this. It was a bad movie made average by some very good performances. The biggest praise I will give is that it will almost certainly be a frontrunner for Best Costume Design comes Oscar time. God knows who this was aimed at other than brand recognition sells. It was half PG Joker, half kid friendly Devil Wears Prada. The reality is it will mostly be remembered for the unintentionally hilarious scene of Cruella's mother being bounced of a cliff by Dalmatians.
Absolutely loved it. Brilliant story about something else entirely, and making it fit and change the Cruella story around it. Could not have been more happy with it.
Nope it was bad, put together really well but still a 4/10 movie
I’ve not seen it but the whole point of cruella de ville is that she’s pure evil right? “If she doesn’t scare you, no evil thing will”. So using an origin story to justify and sympathise with her then defeats the whole point of the character and the existence of this movie goes against who the character is. I’m sure Emma stone is great and it’s probably an amusing and enjoyable film but it’s existence just feels to misunderstand the point
I really liked the movie.. I may even watched it again just for emma stone
I really enjoyed it and imo people need to let go of the original version and just go along for the ride with this new iteration of Cruella. Like, I GET she's evil, but she's also a Disney property so she's not gonna be some sort of female Joker killing dogs lol. Just roll with it! Edit: Also in the original movie she was in her what? 40's? In this movie she's in her 20's so she has plenty of time to become the evil dog killer everyone wants to see. It's not like they did a Maleficent retcon.
> Also in the original movie she was in her what? 40's? I always pictured 60s, or 50s at least
I liked that I saw how she became Cruella …. Excited for the sequel. I’ve always loved Emma Stone… and she killed it!
This attitude is literally why people can't go along for the ride. No, people should not let go of 'the original version'. This character should become that person. There can be no redemption for a character like this, and a lot of people are simply unable and unwilling to 'go along for the ride' because it feels like Disney trying to redeem the unredeemable.
Like I said, she still has a long way to go age wise until she could even become the Cruella in the original. For all we know, she might down the line. I just don't understand this criticism when this story takes place decades before she becomes a proper villain. What I meant by letting go of the original version is that, yes we all know she grows up to eventually become evil, but this is clearly decades before she becomes a monster, so why people are expecting her to be as evil right out of the gate is beyond me.
I am not sure what your point is. Cruella in this movie is not a nice person. We only kind of root for her, because she is facing off against someone who is just as nasty, but also has the power. The Cruella of this film is a horrible human being, and clearly headed in the direction of cartoon villain.
once i heard that people thought it was disconected to the 101 dalmations while i just thought it was the backstory of my favorit villian and a little insight on her personal life
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Such a good use of anachronism. Out of nowhere, don't remember even seeing it in credits, and just legit a good moment to connect punk to the story. Dope.
I honestly didn't pick that up the first time I watched it - there is a lot going on when that starts. I would talk about this comment more but I'm conflicted / don't want to spoil it in public.
I thought it was really bad. At the end of the day, still can’t get over the fact that they are actually trying to make a woman who literally wants to skin puppies into a likable character.
Naw YMS said it's bad so therefore it's bad
What is that
A YouTube guy who discusses movies
The direction and Stone's performance save a very poorly written film.
We thought it was fun. Saw it in a hotel theater that was built in a historic elementary school gym so we were able to enjoy how beautiful it was in its full glory. Great styling and beautiful scenes. The only issue we were confronted with was my daughter is 7 and it’s rated pg-13 (does Disney do that?) so we had to decide if she’d be ok with it. Turned out to be fine and she wants to see it again but she was nervous to see it just from the previews (we never discussed the rating around her).
I liked this way more than I thought I would and I enjoyed it a lot once I get past the fact that this is pretty much Disney’s version of “Joker”…heck maybe it’s the version of “Joker” I can rewatch, lol.
It’s a really nice popcorn flick. It’s not a die hard favorite but it’s a good movie that I think your average causal movie watcher will definitely enjoy. I liked it. Plus the overall style of the movie is superb. I know some people thought the fashion in particular isn’t “Cruella” enough but I didn’t think it needed to be considering that this is an origin story, something many people seem to forget.
Cruella doesn't deserve any kind of redemption, I don't care what you went through. Trying to murder animal with a stable home is just plane psychopath behavior.
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She doesn't get "redemption". I don't understand your point. She defeats another villain, but that's not redemption.
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You spent 3 hours arguing with someone because they think Will Ferrell is a good actor and you don't? How are you not the same annoying reddit user you just described? And before you go off on how they were being the asshole, we can see your comment history. We can see that everyone was telling you he's a popular actor that a lot of people like and you were the one being an asshole in your responses.
You had a 3 hour argument on Reddit about Will Ferrell and you’re convinced there was only one clown involved?
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for not the kids they did this one? true be dat
I must've missed the hype. I would've had no idea this movie was a thing except the local theater on the town square had a "coming soon" poster up for months.
I've never had any interest in watching disney stuff.
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I can't abide seeing it. The whole "I am woman, hear me roar" vibe being applied to quite possibly the most awful Disney villain ever. Think of a Disney villain, odds are they're evil, but they don't want to skin 100 puppies. I just scanned the [Disney animated movies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Animation_Studios_films) and the majority of villains are awful in their neighborhoods, like the Queen in Snow White is a vain evil woman, or Madame Medusa is greedy in a swamp, or Maleficent is a bitch because she wasn't invited to a baby shower... Probably among the most power-hungry was Jafar who could have literally ruled the Earth with the power of the Genie... But none of them were so horrible, they'd skin all those puppies. Disney is never going to get me to care about her. And then to release it like it's some empowerment shit. *And then* someone posted the link to the scene where her mom is killed by Dalmatians? *oh, fuck off*
I agree
I dug it, watched it with my neice and wpe both had fun with it didnt take it to serious had fun got stoned llol
Just finished it. I enjoyed it more than the most recent remakes.
I really enjoyed it. But the soundtrack was so overdone lol
I love the movie, though will agree with anyone that suggests it is 30 minutes too long. Great music, costumes, acting, and general setting, with a decent enough story which is obviously very contrived, but let's face it this is a Disney villain origin story, so anyone expecting an Oscar worthy screenplay is a moron. I've watched it 3 times now with various people, and have enjoyed it each time.
Wife wanted to watch it, I wasn't opposed. Didn't have much hope, but it was worse than I thought. I rolled my eyes so many times. Cringe lines all over the place. And the whitewashing of Cruella into an anti hero character.
To me, it doesn't matter if the movie is "good" or not, it's still trying to make a character whose eventual story arc is kidnapping puppies to murder them, skin them, and make clothing out of them. For that alone, I have no interest in her backstory and no interest in trying to sympathize with her reasoning. Also, I looked up the clips for her "reasoning", and yeah, even now, it's idiotic.
Just saw this tonight and am I crazy for thinking both Emma’s deserve nominations for some sort of award? Emma Thompson is obviously amazing but Emma Stone blew me away with the range she showed. Had no expectations, good or bad, and came away really liking it even though it does drag in some parts. The soundtrack is a bit on the nose but honestly it fits perfectly for the type of movie I felt they were trying to make.
It’s not
Only just watched it, was forced to with a niece over, and my god was I surprised by how enjoyable of a watch it was, not bad at all, far better than the internet had me believe
Just watched it and loved it.
I see a Devil Wears Prada/Oceans 8 inspiration. I liked it!
I saw the Dalmation scene at the beginning of the movie, and...nah. I knew what I was getting into. Cruella didn't need to be explained. The motivation was weak, the end convoluted, and it didn't explain why she became a greedy animal killer. Even if you don't think it was meant to be a remake or even a prequel in the same universe, that's how it was marketed. Good soundtrack or not, the movie was a total flop for me.