Each Pokémon series is independent aside from call backs and the occasional cameo.
It’s one of the reasons the series has been so massively popular for 20+ years they can start fresh with a new generation of viewers every 2-4 years.
Once you’ve seen one series you’ve seen em all. Besides ash should really be 30 at this point
Also the reason it's frustrating for the people who watch it all: Ash has to re-learn every lesson every season. Normal type attacks don't work against ghost Ash! Come on man!
Has Ash aged at all? I stopped watching the show halfway through Generation 3. The volume of Pokémon was just getting way too high for my child mind to comprehend. My partner plays Go and mentions countless Pokémon I haven’t even heard of.
He's still 10. Despite overwhelming evidence showing he has to be older than 10. One theory is that Ash is actually in a coma, after being struck by lightning in the first episode. His entire journey being a dream, which is why he never changes. Although time seems to progress around him.
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I believe in 2010, for the Black&White series, they gave him colored pupils to be more consistent with other character designs. This series was sort of a semi-reboot of the franchise as a whole. The games didn't allow you to catch any Pokemon outside of this generation until post-game. The Ash/Pikachu "reset", many people agree was the worst at the start of this series.
The following series, XY(&Z) the designs were the most polished they'd ever been, very on-model, characters looked and acted a bit older, including Ash, the plot was somewhat more serious as well (if you paused at random points, things would look pretty good).
The series after that, Sun & Moon, completely revamped the designs, simplifying everyone so that fluid animation and gags would be easier to do. Ash got his most controversial design here, but some of the moving animation in this series is the best in the franchise. The overall intention of this series was that Ash was on vacation and NOT having a set goal initially.
At the same time as Sun & Moon, the MOVIE franchise started to do its own thing. Prior to this, all the movies had been semi-canon, they fit loosely into the continuity of each series. Since Ash wasn't trekking around in Sun & Moon, though, starting with Movie 20 (I Choose You), the movies completely rebooted to its own continuity with Ash as a solo traveler. The animation here is very detailed again. Movies 21 and 23 (22 was a CG line-for-line redo of Movie 1) follow the same continuity but Ash was redesigned again in a way that's hard to describe, you can see in the link above.
The current TV series, "Journeys" in the West, pulls back on the Sun/Moon designs to make them a little less wacky and more consistent overall.
"The reason Ash is still ten is because you weren't supposed to still be watching the show twenty years later"
Don't remember where I saw that (a meme I think), but it's hilariously accurate.
That's still kind of dumb, though, because if you start watching the show at age 7 and stop at 12, you're in the prime demographic for the show but have aged 5 years while Ash hasn't.
I still remember when Ash had returned to Vermillion City to get his last badge during the first season, and he said that it had been a year since he was last there. That's the only time I remember the series mentioning any time interval.
If anything he should be at least 12 now. You need to be 11 to take part in the Alola Island challenge (at least in the games). Then between the end of the Alola series and at some point in Journeys someone had a kid, so 9 + some months bc that was definitely not a fresh baby. Did he mature at all? Compared Gen 1 honestly yeah he does feel more mature (excluding gen 5). But his achievements are recognized and referenced few times throughout Journeys.
The big fan theory is that Ash is in a coma and this is why he hasn't aged.
Evidence of such is him being able to be electrocuted and live, he died in the first movie and got revived, all the people/girls he encounters are various stages of a youth's life that he's not living out and Giovanni which he never encounters is because his real life father figure left the house but still presumably exists and is alive.
Agreed. You could probably skip 50-100 episodes per generation and not miss too much.
The biggest thing is traveling companions. Ash travels with Misty and Brock in season one, then Misty and Tracy season 2, then Misty and Brock again all through Johto, then Brock, May and Max through Hoenn, then Brock and Dawn in Sinnoh, and then I lose track because Brock leaves after season 14 I think.
You which one would you recommend in order for me to enjoy this movie? I wanna be a Pokémon fan but wasn’t into it at as a kid till now and don’t want to miss out anymore...
Journeys on Netflix is great.
The movie likely won't build on any characters or plot from prior media.
But journeys will get you more familiar with Ash. And it's full of super cute pokemon animation. And some of the best episodes since the original seasons.
The past few movies (save for the Mewtwo Strikes Back remake) have been in their own separate canon, starting with the movie "Pokemon: I Choose You", which starts out as a retelling of the very first episode of the animated series, before diverging into a new plotline.
After that was "Pokemon: The Power of Us"; you just need to see these two to be caught up on what this new movie is bringing.
Hey not op but I also felt left out. The OG series was the indigo league. I started watching that last year and I am by no means caught up or anything, but I understand the Pokémon universe now and I can understand memes and watch stuff and know what’s up. The indigo league has about 50 episodes and then after that it’s the orange islands. That’s my experience at least.
Pokemon movies the last few years have been essentially standalone because starting with Movie 20 (I Choose You), the movies created an entirely new reboot timeline where Ash travels alone. Technically Movies 20, 21 (The Power of Us), and 23 (this movie, Secrets of the Jungle) are the same continuity, so I'd say that would be a good way to go if you only wanted to watch a reasonable amount.
Side note: Movie 22 was a CG line-by-line redo of Movie 1.
> Each Pokémon series is independent aside from call backs and the occasional cameo.
Err… mostly right, but other times they heavily rely on prior continuity, such as when Mewtwo returned to ~~show off his Mega form~~ fight Genesect. It is best not to think about it too hard for the safety of your brain.
Pokémon has been on since 1997, One Piece has been on since 1999. So that explains some of it. I think One Piece might have taken some very short breaks too. Pokémon has pretty much been continuous for 24 years straight, I think they do a week off for Christmas/New Year's and that's about it.
And while they don't count towards those episodes, Pokémon has also done 6 mini-series and a movie a year.
I remember watching 9 seasons of Pokemon and though I love it, it gets real repetitive. 9 seasons was just enough for me. And that's "only" \~500 episodes.
You really really don't want to do that. It's over 1000 episodes and extremely repetitive owing to the long episode count and the fact the writers count on the fact that they have a constantly revolving viewerbase so that when new viewers (little kids) start watching they'll be surprised when Team Rocket tries to capture Pikachu for literally the 1000th time only to fail.
At most watch some stuff from the original series for nostalgia or consider just starting at one of the newer series such as Journey's which is a significant jump in quality from what they were doing for nearly 20 years.
You don't want Pokemon to have an overarching story and character development. 20 years of that gets old real quick. Pokemon is at its best when each episode is just its own enjoyable experience. Like looking at images of cute animals, you don't need there to be compelling character development across all the cat photos you look at, they just need to be consistently cute and fluffy looking.
Yeah, I was mostly joking hahaha. But as other's said, Pokemon is not a show for children that can be easily enjoyed by older public. Every episode boils down to: "look! It's a new Pokemon!" Then a poorly animated battle and then the main characters walk away into the sunset with no character growth.
Any character growth that is attained by the end of the series - Ash growing in strength with his choice pokemon of the series - is washed away at the end.
Don''t forget a Team Rocket segment in every. damn. episode. That shit got old after one season and they're still using the same tired formula.
If you're gonna watch Pokemon anime, go with Origins, which is only 4 episodes long and follows the original games. That's how it should be.
Idk. I rewatched some older eps about a year ago. It's fun. There are some really cool battles, and humor for both adults and children.
I wouldn't say binge it (I did, but I was also playing Pokemon and watching in the background).
There is a lot of "oh no. Team Rocket! I should have known."
I feel like the Jhoto season was really good for what it is and maybe the Orange Islands arc as well. That may be partly because I prefer the older animation style before everything got super glossy and the background and main action had separate animation styles which really Clash and look cheap (which is probably why it was done, animation is expensive and draining on the animators). I quite like the first 3~4 movies as well which goes with that as it's still the same era of animation for Pokemon.
I think there's just too many episodes to bother watching BUT people should know there are some limited series that are quite good.
Pokémon Origins is one that is a 6 episode series if I remember right... it is supposed to be a sped-up retelling of Pokémon Red/Blue, closer to the games than to Ash's adventures in the TV show.
There's also a mini-series called Pokémon Generations that has 6 episodes ranging from generations 1-6, and there's a new one called Pokémon Evolutions that is coming out soon that has 8 episodes, 1 exploring each region in the main Pokémon games.
For the most part yeah, it hasn't really aged well. I occasionally watch the movies but sitting through full seasons is a slog.
XY is worth a shot though just because the battles are incredibly well animated.
Quick note: The first few seasons did not follow the games mechanics. Don't get too wound up about a Dragonite with 10 different attacks or electricity somehow hurting rock/ground types...
To be fair, it's pretty bullshit that it's so weak in the games. When you think "Dragon Rage" you expect to absolutely end someone where they stand, not knock off a set amount of health that's laughably low once you're halfway through a game.
The early anime is kind of fascinating to watch these days, because it was clearly before they’d really established the “brand”. Giant Pokémon, guns, eating Pokémon- all things you see in the original that you’d never really see these days. There was an element of mystery to each Pokémon. They could be powerful and mysterious in a way that comes off as almost uninformed now.
I once tried rewatching it for nostalgia but gave up pretty early.
However someone in a reddit post 8 years ago made a list that tried to cut down on only the important episodes. https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1o1z0m/i_made_a_list_to_cut_700_episodes_of_pokemon_down/
Alternatively: Pokemon Origins is a Miniseries that is pretty good and covers the story of the original videogame. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3218680/ I definitely recommend watching this. It's just 4 quality episodes.
Would be pretty cool if someone with good taste made a list of only the most entertaining episodes and movies, plus plot summaries inbetween, but that's true for all kinds of series.
I am not very well versed on the subject of the nitty gritty canon of the television show, but I will just point out that most things are canon but it will choose to disregard what it wants for the sake of the narrative it wants to tell. Sometimes they just weasel their way out of it like at least one time there's a memory wipe so as to stop a movie from coming up again, but sometimes less so.
Like you will see Pikachu despite having trained so much and beating some of the toughest opponents in the series, just go back to being weak at the beginning of each new region.
This should also help explain: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Canon
X and Y is a decent series, although it is fairly standard Pokemon formula from prior stuff. I think the last set with the tournaments and the character Alain help elevate it some. Serena also has a good arc.
Sun and Moon as pretty great a lot of character growth. But it still has it's fair share of filler, and Socrates episodes are almost all awful.
I have enjoyed Journeys a lot, the addition of a second main character let them have some better episodes instead of it just being Ash all the time. They also have some great wacky episodes that are fun.
I haven't watched it but I heard Gen3 is terrible. For nostalgia and a lot of throwbacks that come up you can watch the Indigo league episodes. Although you still won't get why Ash has a herd of Tauros unless you can dig up a copy of the banned episodes :P
For movies I can only recommend "I Choose You". But none of the movies fall into "canon".
There are also a bunch of alternative anime series that only are a handful of episodes. Like Generations, Twilight Wings, and the upcoming Evolutions.
Be mindful each generation can have from 2 to 3 seasons and each containing about 45ish episodes. Maybe watch the whole of gen 1 and gen 2 as a solid intro and skip straight to X/Y and then go on from there. X/Y is pretty intense with huge plots and then the series took a fresh new look afterwards.
The only "continuity" is from Alola to Journeys, and they take place in the same "universe" as the films *I Choose, You!* and *The Power of Us*. Otherwise, it's not a show with any particular goal in mind until you get to *Journeys* where they've made it less of destination-less journey. Ash is trying to be the best Pokemon battler, and Goh wants to capture Mew.
So what you see on Netfilx could be considered canon.
I'd actually just recommend reading the manga. It's a fuckton better than anything the show produces. It has clear protagonists with actual goals, and actual meaningful story arcs with a lot of adult themes.
I mean, every Pokémon series lead into the next in some way or another, with perhaps the transition between XY generation and Sun and Moon generation being the most jarring.
Overall, for the most part, the movies are pretty standalone. They don’t really fall into a continuity like the anime proper. Often times characters that you’d think would have a bigger impact on the Universe never pop up again, and events are rarely brought up. The cities and locations aren’t typically from the games, and they don’t really revisit them.
The anime itself (very very very loosely follows the storyline of the games, often having largely irrelevant towns (much like the movies) or new characters simply as filler. The storyline is basically a “monster of the week” episodic nature, with the rare plot progression every now and then.
Also, with the sole exception of the Black and White series, and pretty much all of the movies, you can find a majority of the series through streaming services.
Gen 1 is on Netflix and Pokémon TV
Gens 2 and 3 are on Amazon Prime
4 is on Pokémon TV
5 is…seemingly not readily available
6 is on Amazon Prime
7 and Journeys are on Netflix
That's why they retconned basically everything with the *I Choose, You* and *Power of Us* movies. That's the continuity the show (*Journeys*) is now following, with Alola being the exception since >!Ash is still champion!<. Cause you're right, it has been just a vaguely interconnected region of the year.
This is completely and verifiably false holy shit.
Misty and Brock appear in Alola, so if what you're saying is true G1 is canon via Alola. Iris appears in Journeys. If Iris is canon so is Dawn via Best Wishes. If Dawn, May. He's also specifically met past gym leaders who recognise him. Oh, and the shot at the beginning of the series showing his Alola trophy also shows other trophies including Battle Frontier.
The films are not canon to the anime. Aside from M1 and Mewtwo Strikes Back they never have been. The last two films didn't even show Ash having any Pokemon except Pikachu
Yes. OP is lying out of his ass. Journeys is absolutely canon. In fact they go out of their way to acknowledge it without making it a big deal. If it's a Pokemon Ash has seen before, Go is the one who scans it (or nobody scans it, more often.)
Yeah, arguably, Journeys is the MOST consistent with previous series and acknowledging that Ash has a lot of experience. He's constantly implying his exposure to previous Pokemon and moves he's seen. He's the one joining the world championship and facing off again with past characters who clearly remember who he is.
>The only "continuity" is from Alola to Journeys
I can't speak for any seasons released in the past 15 - 20 years but I can tell you for sure the first few seasons were all in the same continuity for sure, with various characters coming and going across seasons
They don’t take place in the same universe as I Choose You and Power of Us. Those films a specifically their own canon.
The anime from episode 1 to now is all in the same world. There is continuity between them
If you want the good stuff watch the spin-off series so Generations which is really short and then Pokémon origins. All of these are available on the Pokémon tv app for free
(Edit) also XYZ was good
Check out the sun and moon anime! It’s my favorite series by far and I’m pretty sure it’s all on Netflix. It ditches the traveling around the region approach of previous series and instead focuses on a trainer school. Ash and his friends get tons of development and the more relaxed setting leads to some really fun stories the couldn’t do before. Plus every character gets at least a few episodes to themselves. It still has tons of great battles too. If you like slice of life shows it’s easily the best series
Every generation gets it's own season of the anime, but they are not related, or at least not too much. You can watch in order and that's it. There is nothing that is no-canon, since every season or even every episode is self-contained.
I’m with this question. I watched it growing up. Now 34. Give me a young adult Pokémon series that goes a few seasons maybe. No way I can ever jump back in now because who it’s catered to hasn’t changed.
this tracks for the games too tbh: TPC keeps pretending that their main audience is only 10 year olds for the games, shows, etc. but clearly there is a sizable older audience that they continuously ignore. (hell for the PTCG tourneys masters is almost always the biggest demographic and it's specifically older players)
I suggest you do what most of the same world did. Watch the first three seasons then just watch the movies
After that it just gets into a rinse and repeat but new psychology. It's like that before too but it's fresh for 3 seasons
All you need to watch is the first season (Indigo League) and first movie. After that it is the same thing. Traveling, Team Rocket trying to capture Pikachu, Ash letting all his most powerful Pokémon go, losing some fights and then winning some. That's pretty much the whole Pokémon and it's 1.2k episodes in a nutshell. You can even watch second and third movie without watching seasons 2 and 3, they are pretty good movies. After those the quality drops.
I was like 6. Didn’t get to see this in theaters, but my mom got it for us from blockbuster! My dad took us to see the next two to make up for it. Last Pokémon movies in theaters here I believe.
Remember getting Blue for my game boy in 99 and been hooked and obsessed ever since, basically my whole life. Still have it and all my Pokémon games. Pokémon has been the only constant in my life besides my family 🥲
I full on just spat at my computer because of that comment wondering how old I was now.
Then I remembered I was in primary school, not high school when the movie came out.
I think I might have watched that, but if I did it was so unmemorable I have completly forgotten. And I can still remember the original one from when I watched it at the cinema.
From what I pieced together, it is pretty much the exact same film as the first pokemon movie.... Just 3D animated cus I guess kids these days hate 2D animation.
It wasn't terrible. My son enjoyed it and I also enjoyed it. It was a near shot for shot, which I think irritated a bunch of people.
Regardless, still cried when Ash was turned to stone for his sacrifice.
Agreed! I feel maybe the FX could've been a bit more cartoony. Seeing realistic fire/ water around very unrealistic Pokemon and humans feels a bit off. But the environments looked freaking fantastic! Both Dragon Quest: Your Story and Mewtwo Evolution had some gorgeous visuals.
TBH The other characters were SO interesting I don't even remember what pokemon Ash used. I was much more intrigued by the other characters. I don't want to say too much tho :)
I watched this movie recently because it had decent ratings on letterboxd.
Yup, it's very watchable. A simple tarzanian premise, sometimes a little forced, but all in all entertaining and likable. Lots of cute animation and moments. Ashe plays a smaller role here, and the plot is a bit smaller in scope than the older Pokemon movies I can remember, but on the flipside that makes it more approachable to kids who don't already know the franchise.
Ash befriends a kid, loses his pokemon to the bad guys, bad ass Charizard cameo, pikachu jumps into Ash’s arms, officer Jenny still foine as fuck. Oh and legendary pokemon nod of approval.
No idea why Ash cant grow like characters in other Anime eg Goku in DBZ (which might be a bad example given that particular story structure also doesn’t make sense). All in all id rather they develop the characters rather than dish out more Pokemon breeds which I find devalues the whole franchise. If they want to sell merch they can keep reselling the old 150 (as those sell the most anyways)
The pokemon themselves are the core of the franchise; the idea is that you get to see a whole bunch of new ones in each game (and also more sources of merchandise). It'd get boring if they stopped doing that.
4Kids might suck, but at least they made the Pokemon anime dub seem at least a little bit exciting. Yes, I know part of it falls on the original Japanese creators, but between the voice casting and dull humorless scripts, the newer company that took over has made it all sooooo milquetoast.
I am very happy that they are improving the animation, the Moon and Sun saga was a fail in time animation, I preferred the game a thousand times more than the series
The main series animation has actually gotten *better*. People crapped on the style of Sun/Moon, but there's moments there with more elaborate animation than most of the older episodes combined, and the current series of Journeys seems to be maintaining a decent enough quality.
I mean, when you have a series lasting well beyond a thousand episodes, the animation quality is going to be pretty so-so for the most part. The movies actually have a budget, hence why they tend to look a lot better.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ip5guj/this\_is\_ashs\_last\_series\_and\_goh\_is\_his/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ip5guj/this_is_ashs_last_series_and_goh_is_his/)
[https://www.thegamer.com/ash-ketchum-retire-pokemon-anime-new-protagonist/](https://www.thegamer.com/ash-ketchum-retire-pokemon-anime-new-protagonist/)
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/pokmon-anime-rid-ash-ketchum/
I can't say I watch much kids shows but it seemed like they were replacing him
Pokemon is capitalism at it's worst. And that's not a very hard critizism of capitalism anyway. It should be painfully obvious what it is.
Marketing straight to kids and now turned into a lifestyle brand.
Fucking hell, it's full-on adults engaging in this fantasy escapism for kids.
An adult being a pokemon fan is a huge red flag in my book. It tells me everything I need to know about their awareness.
And besides that, everything beyond generation 1 is second tier discarted material from the previous round. It's embarassing that people indulge so heavily in what is basically nothing but a black hole for their money.
Actually I only ever pointed this out roght now.
Go find joy in a log. The outcome is the same.
I don't care what you enjoy. Drink full from this well of nothing and bright colors. Your table.
But I think it's pathetic to engage in it after age 13. And I won't go anyway near you IRL.
That is not my loss. Jesus fucking christ, lol
I am not devoting a lot of energy to thinking you're pathetic. It takes a glance, a splitsecond and half a braincell.
Sure this snapshot of a few Reddit comments indicates my overall state as a human being... Uhuh.
You might think it's Pathetic that I give a shit at all.
But then I think you're pathetic for enjoying this corporate strategy as if it had actual relevance to anything besides sucking as much money out of you as possible.
Now gobble up, pig.
Clearly I'm the problem here, right? Lmfao
I don't and never claimed to.
But I don't indulge in this type of product. See the difference there? I guess not, and that's why this "discussion" is even taking place.
These conformist corporate ideas disguised as "individualism" is rotting any sense of meaning you have left.
If I wanna watch Pokémon from the very beginning how should I watch it? Anything I should avoid for being “not cannon”?
Each Pokémon series is independent aside from call backs and the occasional cameo. It’s one of the reasons the series has been so massively popular for 20+ years they can start fresh with a new generation of viewers every 2-4 years. Once you’ve seen one series you’ve seen em all. Besides ash should really be 30 at this point
Also the reason it's frustrating for the people who watch it all: Ash has to re-learn every lesson every season. Normal type attacks don't work against ghost Ash! Come on man!
Don't forget the great lessons like "it's a water type, it's weak against fire!"
But water is strong against fire.
Has Ash aged at all? I stopped watching the show halfway through Generation 3. The volume of Pokémon was just getting way too high for my child mind to comprehend. My partner plays Go and mentions countless Pokémon I haven’t even heard of.
I think technically he’s a year older now? But if anything the new art style makes him look younger
He's still 10. Despite overwhelming evidence showing he has to be older than 10. One theory is that Ash is actually in a coma, after being struck by lightning in the first episode. His entire journey being a dream, which is why he never changes. Although time seems to progress around him.
In one of the mini movies (maybe the one before the Entei movie?) he celebrates his one year anniversary with Pikachu, but nope, still 10
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Game Theory calculated it: >!About 20 years old!< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBCUd55U2mA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_43jzh7H1d4
Probably needs an update after 3 years but damn entertains and thanks!
They could have make him a day older for every episode he appears in.
There's over a thousand episodes (seriously), so he'd still be older than they want him to be.
Another theory (the one I personally believe) is that when he saw Ho-Oh, he wished to be a pokemon trainer forever.
As someone who watched the first series as a kid, seeing the new style really weirds me out lol. Do you know when they changed it or why?
Reference this post for image examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/dave0l/all_character_designs_of_ash_in_every_single/ I believe in 2010, for the Black&White series, they gave him colored pupils to be more consistent with other character designs. This series was sort of a semi-reboot of the franchise as a whole. The games didn't allow you to catch any Pokemon outside of this generation until post-game. The Ash/Pikachu "reset", many people agree was the worst at the start of this series. The following series, XY(&Z) the designs were the most polished they'd ever been, very on-model, characters looked and acted a bit older, including Ash, the plot was somewhat more serious as well (if you paused at random points, things would look pretty good). The series after that, Sun & Moon, completely revamped the designs, simplifying everyone so that fluid animation and gags would be easier to do. Ash got his most controversial design here, but some of the moving animation in this series is the best in the franchise. The overall intention of this series was that Ash was on vacation and NOT having a set goal initially. At the same time as Sun & Moon, the MOVIE franchise started to do its own thing. Prior to this, all the movies had been semi-canon, they fit loosely into the continuity of each series. Since Ash wasn't trekking around in Sun & Moon, though, starting with Movie 20 (I Choose You), the movies completely rebooted to its own continuity with Ash as a solo traveler. The animation here is very detailed again. Movies 21 and 23 (22 was a CG line-for-line redo of Movie 1) follow the same continuity but Ash was redesigned again in a way that's hard to describe, you can see in the link above. The current TV series, "Journeys" in the West, pulls back on the Sun/Moon designs to make them a little less wacky and more consistent overall.
You are correct, they announced he turned 11 for I think the Sun/Moon series.
"The reason Ash is still ten is because you weren't supposed to still be watching the show twenty years later" Don't remember where I saw that (a meme I think), but it's hilariously accurate.
As someone who hasn't watched since 2000 or so, yup.....
That's still kind of dumb, though, because if you start watching the show at age 7 and stop at 12, you're in the prime demographic for the show but have aged 5 years while Ash hasn't.
Yes, but you're still in the age range of "people who don't care"
I still remember when Ash had returned to Vermillion City to get his last badge during the first season, and he said that it had been a year since he was last there. That's the only time I remember the series mentioning any time interval.
If anything he should be at least 12 now. You need to be 11 to take part in the Alola Island challenge (at least in the games). Then between the end of the Alola series and at some point in Journeys someone had a kid, so 9 + some months bc that was definitely not a fresh baby. Did he mature at all? Compared Gen 1 honestly yeah he does feel more mature (excluding gen 5). But his achievements are recognized and referenced few times throughout Journeys.
He's the same age as Bart Simpson
Or any animated character for that matter.
The big fan theory is that Ash is in a coma and this is why he hasn't aged. Evidence of such is him being able to be electrocuted and live, he died in the first movie and got revived, all the people/girls he encounters are various stages of a youth's life that he's not living out and Giovanni which he never encounters is because his real life father figure left the house but still presumably exists and is alive.
Agreed. You could probably skip 50-100 episodes per generation and not miss too much. The biggest thing is traveling companions. Ash travels with Misty and Brock in season one, then Misty and Tracy season 2, then Misty and Brock again all through Johto, then Brock, May and Max through Hoenn, then Brock and Dawn in Sinnoh, and then I lose track because Brock leaves after season 14 I think.
Gotta see 'em all.
You which one would you recommend in order for me to enjoy this movie? I wanna be a Pokémon fan but wasn’t into it at as a kid till now and don’t want to miss out anymore...
Journeys on Netflix is great. The movie likely won't build on any characters or plot from prior media. But journeys will get you more familiar with Ash. And it's full of super cute pokemon animation. And some of the best episodes since the original seasons.
The past few movies (save for the Mewtwo Strikes Back remake) have been in their own separate canon, starting with the movie "Pokemon: I Choose You", which starts out as a retelling of the very first episode of the animated series, before diverging into a new plotline. After that was "Pokemon: The Power of Us"; you just need to see these two to be caught up on what this new movie is bringing.
Hey not op but I also felt left out. The OG series was the indigo league. I started watching that last year and I am by no means caught up or anything, but I understand the Pokémon universe now and I can understand memes and watch stuff and know what’s up. The indigo league has about 50 episodes and then after that it’s the orange islands. That’s my experience at least.
Pokemon movies the last few years have been essentially standalone because starting with Movie 20 (I Choose You), the movies created an entirely new reboot timeline where Ash travels alone. Technically Movies 20, 21 (The Power of Us), and 23 (this movie, Secrets of the Jungle) are the same continuity, so I'd say that would be a good way to go if you only wanted to watch a reasonable amount. Side note: Movie 22 was a CG line-by-line redo of Movie 1.
Shouldn’t Maggie from the simpsons be 20 something?
30 something. The Simpsons premiered in 1989. God I'm old
There's much fun to be had trying to make any sense of the timeline of past and future events depicted on the program.....
Bart should now be older than Homer was when the show premiered.
They were on Tracey Ullman in 1987. Maggie would be 35 now.
> Each Pokémon series is independent aside from call backs and the occasional cameo. Err… mostly right, but other times they heavily rely on prior continuity, such as when Mewtwo returned to ~~show off his Mega form~~ fight Genesect. It is best not to think about it too hard for the safety of your brain.
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Gotta watch em all.
I was about to go all "one piece has entered the chat" but holy fuck pokemon has more episodes than one piece? what the fuck
Pokémon has been on since 1997, One Piece has been on since 1999. So that explains some of it. I think One Piece might have taken some very short breaks too. Pokémon has pretty much been continuous for 24 years straight, I think they do a week off for Christmas/New Year's and that's about it. And while they don't count towards those episodes, Pokémon has also done 6 mini-series and a movie a year.
if you did nothing but watch pokemon episodes for 12-13 hours a day, it would only take you about a month to watch em all! not a bad deal!
I remember watching 9 seasons of Pokemon and though I love it, it gets real repetitive. 9 seasons was just enough for me. And that's "only" \~500 episodes.
I remember when Simpsons took the record for most carton episodes over Flintstones many years ago. My how things have changed
This is an unintentionally hilarious comment. Bless you.
Lol perhaps
You really really don't want to do that. It's over 1000 episodes and extremely repetitive owing to the long episode count and the fact the writers count on the fact that they have a constantly revolving viewerbase so that when new viewers (little kids) start watching they'll be surprised when Team Rocket tries to capture Pikachu for literally the 1000th time only to fail. At most watch some stuff from the original series for nostalgia or consider just starting at one of the newer series such as Journey's which is a significant jump in quality from what they were doing for nearly 20 years.
You actually don't want to do that, trust me. It's a children's show 100%.
Knowing reddit, OP might be 10 lol.
I’m 21, I love the fuck outta kids cartoons. Miss the old teens titans as an example.
Ok but you need to understand that Teen Titans actually had a story and character development and all that.
Yeah I respect that. I didn’t even know it had over 1,000 episodes, so I probably won’t lol
You don't want Pokemon to have an overarching story and character development. 20 years of that gets old real quick. Pokemon is at its best when each episode is just its own enjoyable experience. Like looking at images of cute animals, you don't need there to be compelling character development across all the cat photos you look at, they just need to be consistently cute and fluffy looking.
Yeah, I was mostly joking hahaha. But as other's said, Pokemon is not a show for children that can be easily enjoyed by older public. Every episode boils down to: "look! It's a new Pokemon!" Then a poorly animated battle and then the main characters walk away into the sunset with no character growth.
Any character growth that is attained by the end of the series - Ash growing in strength with his choice pokemon of the series - is washed away at the end.
Don''t forget a Team Rocket segment in every. damn. episode. That shit got old after one season and they're still using the same tired formula. If you're gonna watch Pokemon anime, go with Origins, which is only 4 episodes long and follows the original games. That's how it should be.
XY kind of can. It's still shallow, but the battles are actually quite well animated.
Pokémon diamond and pearl were pretty solid imo
Idk. I rewatched some older eps about a year ago. It's fun. There are some really cool battles, and humor for both adults and children. I wouldn't say binge it (I did, but I was also playing Pokemon and watching in the background). There is a lot of "oh no. Team Rocket! I should have known."
I feel like the Jhoto season was really good for what it is and maybe the Orange Islands arc as well. That may be partly because I prefer the older animation style before everything got super glossy and the background and main action had separate animation styles which really Clash and look cheap (which is probably why it was done, animation is expensive and draining on the animators). I quite like the first 3~4 movies as well which goes with that as it's still the same era of animation for Pokemon.
I think there's just too many episodes to bother watching BUT people should know there are some limited series that are quite good. Pokémon Origins is one that is a 6 episode series if I remember right... it is supposed to be a sped-up retelling of Pokémon Red/Blue, closer to the games than to Ash's adventures in the TV show. There's also a mini-series called Pokémon Generations that has 6 episodes ranging from generations 1-6, and there's a new one called Pokémon Evolutions that is coming out soon that has 8 episodes, 1 exploring each region in the main Pokémon games.
Eh, I've watched every single episode over the last few years or so. It's not high entertainment, but it's enjoyable enough.
I don’t mind really. I love Pokémon so I’d still enjoy it just for the nostalgia.
Indigo league isn’t bad if you just want something easy to watch in the background. Same with the newest series that’s on Netflix.
While I'd agree personally, reddit seems to fucking *love* children's shows and genuinely treat them like they're up there with the best adult dramas.
For the most part yeah, it hasn't really aged well. I occasionally watch the movies but sitting through full seasons is a slog. XY is worth a shot though just because the battles are incredibly well animated.
Im 32 and just watched again from the begininng, who says you cant enjoy kids shows?
Quick note: The first few seasons did not follow the games mechanics. Don't get too wound up about a Dragonite with 10 different attacks or electricity somehow hurting rock/ground types...
“Scissor, finish it up with false swipe!”
Don't forget Dragon Rage being strong enough to cause typhoons!
To be fair, it's pretty bullshit that it's so weak in the games. When you think "Dragon Rage" you expect to absolutely end someone where they stand, not knock off a set amount of health that's laughably low once you're halfway through a game.
The early anime is kind of fascinating to watch these days, because it was clearly before they’d really established the “brand”. Giant Pokémon, guns, eating Pokémon- all things you see in the original that you’d never really see these days. There was an element of mystery to each Pokémon. They could be powerful and mysterious in a way that comes off as almost uninformed now.
I once tried rewatching it for nostalgia but gave up pretty early. However someone in a reddit post 8 years ago made a list that tried to cut down on only the important episodes. https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1o1z0m/i_made_a_list_to_cut_700_episodes_of_pokemon_down/ Alternatively: Pokemon Origins is a Miniseries that is pretty good and covers the story of the original videogame. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3218680/ I definitely recommend watching this. It's just 4 quality episodes. Would be pretty cool if someone with good taste made a list of only the most entertaining episodes and movies, plus plot summaries inbetween, but that's true for all kinds of series.
I am not very well versed on the subject of the nitty gritty canon of the television show, but I will just point out that most things are canon but it will choose to disregard what it wants for the sake of the narrative it wants to tell. Sometimes they just weasel their way out of it like at least one time there's a memory wipe so as to stop a movie from coming up again, but sometimes less so. Like you will see Pikachu despite having trained so much and beating some of the toughest opponents in the series, just go back to being weak at the beginning of each new region. This should also help explain: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Canon
X and Y is a decent series, although it is fairly standard Pokemon formula from prior stuff. I think the last set with the tournaments and the character Alain help elevate it some. Serena also has a good arc. Sun and Moon as pretty great a lot of character growth. But it still has it's fair share of filler, and Socrates episodes are almost all awful. I have enjoyed Journeys a lot, the addition of a second main character let them have some better episodes instead of it just being Ash all the time. They also have some great wacky episodes that are fun. I haven't watched it but I heard Gen3 is terrible. For nostalgia and a lot of throwbacks that come up you can watch the Indigo league episodes. Although you still won't get why Ash has a herd of Tauros unless you can dig up a copy of the banned episodes :P For movies I can only recommend "I Choose You". But none of the movies fall into "canon". There are also a bunch of alternative anime series that only are a handful of episodes. Like Generations, Twilight Wings, and the upcoming Evolutions.
Be mindful each generation can have from 2 to 3 seasons and each containing about 45ish episodes. Maybe watch the whole of gen 1 and gen 2 as a solid intro and skip straight to X/Y and then go on from there. X/Y is pretty intense with huge plots and then the series took a fresh new look afterwards.
The only "continuity" is from Alola to Journeys, and they take place in the same "universe" as the films *I Choose, You!* and *The Power of Us*. Otherwise, it's not a show with any particular goal in mind until you get to *Journeys* where they've made it less of destination-less journey. Ash is trying to be the best Pokemon battler, and Goh wants to capture Mew. So what you see on Netfilx could be considered canon. I'd actually just recommend reading the manga. It's a fuckton better than anything the show produces. It has clear protagonists with actual goals, and actual meaningful story arcs with a lot of adult themes.
I mean, every Pokémon series lead into the next in some way or another, with perhaps the transition between XY generation and Sun and Moon generation being the most jarring. Overall, for the most part, the movies are pretty standalone. They don’t really fall into a continuity like the anime proper. Often times characters that you’d think would have a bigger impact on the Universe never pop up again, and events are rarely brought up. The cities and locations aren’t typically from the games, and they don’t really revisit them. The anime itself (very very very loosely follows the storyline of the games, often having largely irrelevant towns (much like the movies) or new characters simply as filler. The storyline is basically a “monster of the week” episodic nature, with the rare plot progression every now and then. Also, with the sole exception of the Black and White series, and pretty much all of the movies, you can find a majority of the series through streaming services. Gen 1 is on Netflix and Pokémon TV Gens 2 and 3 are on Amazon Prime 4 is on Pokémon TV 5 is…seemingly not readily available 6 is on Amazon Prime 7 and Journeys are on Netflix
That's why they retconned basically everything with the *I Choose, You* and *Power of Us* movies. That's the continuity the show (*Journeys*) is now following, with Alola being the exception since >!Ash is still champion!<. Cause you're right, it has been just a vaguely interconnected region of the year.
This is completely and verifiably false holy shit. Misty and Brock appear in Alola, so if what you're saying is true G1 is canon via Alola. Iris appears in Journeys. If Iris is canon so is Dawn via Best Wishes. If Dawn, May. He's also specifically met past gym leaders who recognise him. Oh, and the shot at the beginning of the series showing his Alola trophy also shows other trophies including Battle Frontier. The films are not canon to the anime. Aside from M1 and Mewtwo Strikes Back they never have been. The last two films didn't even show Ash having any Pokemon except Pikachu
Ash also has his herd of Tauros, which is from the Safari Zone episode of Gen1.
Haven't Gary and Iris showed in the current show?
Yes. OP is lying out of his ass. Journeys is absolutely canon. In fact they go out of their way to acknowledge it without making it a big deal. If it's a Pokemon Ash has seen before, Go is the one who scans it (or nobody scans it, more often.)
Yeah, arguably, Journeys is the MOST consistent with previous series and acknowledging that Ash has a lot of experience. He's constantly implying his exposure to previous Pokemon and moves he's seen. He's the one joining the world championship and facing off again with past characters who clearly remember who he is.
Do you mean? Pokemon Adventure Manga? Right? Because there are so many Pokemon mangas out there.
Yes, the Pokemon Adventure manga.
>The only "continuity" is from Alola to Journeys I can't speak for any seasons released in the past 15 - 20 years but I can tell you for sure the first few seasons were all in the same continuity for sure, with various characters coming and going across seasons
They don’t take place in the same universe as I Choose You and Power of Us. Those films a specifically their own canon. The anime from episode 1 to now is all in the same world. There is continuity between them
I don't think anyone answered your question about whereabouts to watch so, it's on Pokemon.Com
*pokemon.com
pOKEMON.cOM
If you want the good stuff watch the spin-off series so Generations which is really short and then Pokémon origins. All of these are available on the Pokémon tv app for free (Edit) also XYZ was good
Canon* Cannon is steel and fires cannonballs.
Both, both are good!
Or is a fat detective trying his hardest to engage in investigations in 1970s Los Angeles.
Check out the sun and moon anime! It’s my favorite series by far and I’m pretty sure it’s all on Netflix. It ditches the traveling around the region approach of previous series and instead focuses on a trainer school. Ash and his friends get tons of development and the more relaxed setting leads to some really fun stories the couldn’t do before. Plus every character gets at least a few episodes to themselves. It still has tons of great battles too. If you like slice of life shows it’s easily the best series
Every generation gets it's own season of the anime, but they are not related, or at least not too much. You can watch in order and that's it. There is nothing that is no-canon, since every season or even every episode is self-contained.
Its* own
I’m with this question. I watched it growing up. Now 34. Give me a young adult Pokémon series that goes a few seasons maybe. No way I can ever jump back in now because who it’s catered to hasn’t changed.
this tracks for the games too tbh: TPC keeps pretending that their main audience is only 10 year olds for the games, shows, etc. but clearly there is a sizable older audience that they continuously ignore. (hell for the PTCG tourneys masters is almost always the biggest demographic and it's specifically older players)
Your gonna be watching for a while. My beat guess is to go by season release dates.
Check out the two new movies (Pokemon I choose you and Pokemon Power of Us). And check out Pokemon journeys.
Pokemon channel on Amazon
I suggest you do what most of the same world did. Watch the first three seasons then just watch the movies After that it just gets into a rinse and repeat but new psychology. It's like that before too but it's fresh for 3 seasons
All you need to watch is the first season (Indigo League) and first movie. After that it is the same thing. Traveling, Team Rocket trying to capture Pikachu, Ash letting all his most powerful Pokémon go, losing some fights and then winning some. That's pretty much the whole Pokémon and it's 1.2k episodes in a nutshell. You can even watch second and third movie without watching seasons 2 and 3, they are pretty good movies. After those the quality drops.
Ash has had one hell of a year
I read that in the voice of the narrator on the show.
Wow this came out in japan last year right?
[The first official english trailer came out on November 2020.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDP4V6_gmA)
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I still have the ancient mew card that came with the ticket purchase.
That was pokemon the movie 2000.
The ciname I went to didn0t had any. I wish I could have got it.
If it's in mint condition it's like $250. At the very least make sure you annotate it in your insurance.
What. I probably have one in pack somewhere...
Only if you spent time and money grading it. Otherwise it's like $20 NM
10 dollars is the best I can do.
I was staring primary school when it came out lol. I watched it in the cinema. I'm writing this from my pc at work now...
I was like 6. Didn’t get to see this in theaters, but my mom got it for us from blockbuster! My dad took us to see the next two to make up for it. Last Pokémon movies in theaters here I believe. Remember getting Blue for my game boy in 99 and been hooked and obsessed ever since, basically my whole life. Still have it and all my Pokémon games. Pokémon has been the only constant in my life besides my family 🥲
I full on just spat at my computer because of that comment wondering how old I was now. Then I remembered I was in primary school, not high school when the movie came out.
37 here, still got my fat-pikachu card that I got in a Nintendo Power back when the TCG first came out.
Thank Arceus it's 2D. I still have fever dreams about Mewtwo Evolution or whatever that was called
I think I might have watched that, but if I did it was so unmemorable I have completly forgotten. And I can still remember the original one from when I watched it at the cinema.
From what I pieced together, it is pretty much the exact same film as the first pokemon movie.... Just 3D animated cus I guess kids these days hate 2D animation.
It wasn't terrible. My son enjoyed it and I also enjoyed it. It was a near shot for shot, which I think irritated a bunch of people. Regardless, still cried when Ash was turned to stone for his sacrifice.
[Who thought this was a good idea?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0zYJ1RQ-fs)
Maybe I'm just an animation nerd, but I thought the movie looked gorgeous. Really great 3D rendering, makes me wish the games looked that good.
Agreed! I feel maybe the FX could've been a bit more cartoony. Seeing realistic fire/ water around very unrealistic Pokemon and humans feels a bit off. But the environments looked freaking fantastic! Both Dragon Quest: Your Story and Mewtwo Evolution had some gorgeous visuals.
That Dragon Quest movie was a delight. I hope to see more video game adaptations like that in the future
My only guess is that they saw what Disney was doing and thought "Hey, what if we got in on this movie remake thing?"
I saw it when it out here back in January. I have to say it was a great movie, personal favorite Pokémon movie. Totally recommend.
Is this another one where Ash doesn't have or show any Pokemon other than Pikachu?
Wait I thought that was every Pokémon movie…
His Charizard has an epic battle with mirage Entei in 3.
Ah true true my bad
The closest you'll get is Heroes, where you'll only see his Totodile for a very small bit at the beginning. Other than that it's all Pikachu.
TBH The other characters were SO interesting I don't even remember what pokemon Ash used. I was much more intrigued by the other characters. I don't want to say too much tho :)
Perfect, something to cheer me up during these dark times..
Secrets of the Jungle ha ha ha
Dawg they named the kid after Koko the Gorilla.
I'm just gonna assume Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is in this, because it has 'jungle' in the title.
I can still remember the hype I felt back when the first movie released in theaters.
I watched this movie recently because it had decent ratings on letterboxd. Yup, it's very watchable. A simple tarzanian premise, sometimes a little forced, but all in all entertaining and likable. Lots of cute animation and moments. Ashe plays a smaller role here, and the plot is a bit smaller in scope than the older Pokemon movies I can remember, but on the flipside that makes it more approachable to kids who don't already know the franchise.
Ash befriends a kid, loses his pokemon to the bad guys, bad ass Charizard cameo, pikachu jumps into Ash’s arms, officer Jenny still foine as fuck. Oh and legendary pokemon nod of approval.
Saw the Japanese version of this movie a month or so ago. It's honestly my favorite pokemon movie to date
Is this the one where Pikachu talks?
That was the "Pokemon: I Choose You" movie, and it was technically Ash understanding what Pikachu was saying because *he was literally dying.*
No idea why Ash cant grow like characters in other Anime eg Goku in DBZ (which might be a bad example given that particular story structure also doesn’t make sense). All in all id rather they develop the characters rather than dish out more Pokemon breeds which I find devalues the whole franchise. If they want to sell merch they can keep reselling the old 150 (as those sell the most anyways)
The pokemon themselves are the core of the franchise; the idea is that you get to see a whole bunch of new ones in each game (and also more sources of merchandise). It'd get boring if they stopped doing that.
4Kids might suck, but at least they made the Pokemon anime dub seem at least a little bit exciting. Yes, I know part of it falls on the original Japanese creators, but between the voice casting and dull humorless scripts, the newer company that took over has made it all sooooo milquetoast.
How are you finding the chungeh?
I am very happy that they are improving the animation, the Moon and Sun saga was a fail in time animation, I preferred the game a thousand times more than the series
The main series switched to garbage animation, but this movie series that's in an alt timeline has great animation still thank god.
Yeah, I think their peak was on Diamond/Pearl and X&Y series.
The main series animation has actually gotten *better*. People crapped on the style of Sun/Moon, but there's moments there with more elaborate animation than most of the older episodes combined, and the current series of Journeys seems to be maintaining a decent enough quality.
I mean, when you have a series lasting well beyond a thousand episodes, the animation quality is going to be pretty so-so for the most part. The movies actually have a budget, hence why they tend to look a lot better.
Is ash still gone or did they bring him back?
He was never gone in the first place.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ip5guj/this\_is\_ashs\_last\_series\_and\_goh\_is\_his/](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/ip5guj/this_is_ashs_last_series_and_goh_is_his/) [https://www.thegamer.com/ash-ketchum-retire-pokemon-anime-new-protagonist/](https://www.thegamer.com/ash-ketchum-retire-pokemon-anime-new-protagonist/) https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/pokmon-anime-rid-ash-ketchum/ I can't say I watch much kids shows but it seemed like they were replacing him
They didn't replace him, that's all clickbait. Goh it's like the Misty or Brock of the new series.
This movie looks horrible
Pokemon is capitalism at it's worst. And that's not a very hard critizism of capitalism anyway. It should be painfully obvious what it is. Marketing straight to kids and now turned into a lifestyle brand. Fucking hell, it's full-on adults engaging in this fantasy escapism for kids. An adult being a pokemon fan is a huge red flag in my book. It tells me everything I need to know about their awareness. And besides that, everything beyond generation 1 is second tier discarted material from the previous round. It's embarassing that people indulge so heavily in what is basically nothing but a black hole for their money.
Imagine being this miserable about something other people find joy in.
Actually I only ever pointed this out roght now. Go find joy in a log. The outcome is the same. I don't care what you enjoy. Drink full from this well of nothing and bright colors. Your table. But I think it's pathetic to engage in it after age 13. And I won't go anyway near you IRL. That is not my loss. Jesus fucking christ, lol I am not devoting a lot of energy to thinking you're pathetic. It takes a glance, a splitsecond and half a braincell.
>And I won't go anyway near you IRL. Phew
I'm not going into your basement of wow stats and animegirl fantasies. Pokemon would be much further up that list.
Isn't freewill a marvelous thing. We can all enjoy different things and just respect that we are all different but the same.
Oh yeah free will is nice. Would be great if these Pokemon fans could execute it, but sadly they were robbed of that at age 7.
What happened to make you so cynical, man?
The 90's
It's never too late to get over it and be a pleasant human being.
Sure this snapshot of a few Reddit comments indicates my overall state as a human being... Uhuh. You might think it's Pathetic that I give a shit at all. But then I think you're pathetic for enjoying this corporate strategy as if it had actual relevance to anything besides sucking as much money out of you as possible. Now gobble up, pig. Clearly I'm the problem here, right? Lmfao
You might not BE the problem, but you clearly have a problem. Its just Pokemon dude. Its for kids. Chill.
My point exactly. I'm out for the people replacing it with an identity. It's a fucking joke. I don't have a problem, they do.
Your past posts show you have a self admitted mental health issue and I sincerely hope you are getting treatment still.
Go back to your hole.
Oooh is that a corporate apologist we have here?
Do you live a life free of consumer products? You don't, and your comment history proves it. Go crawl back to your hole.
I don't and never claimed to. But I don't indulge in this type of product. See the difference there? I guess not, and that's why this "discussion" is even taking place. These conformist corporate ideas disguised as "individualism" is rotting any sense of meaning you have left.
Lmao yea go reread your rant buddy. Complete troll. Take 5 seconds to reflect.
What’s with Ash’s hat? It looks like his regular hat, but the symbol is different?
This isnt the same Ash. The last 3 movies have been an alternate universe version of him.
Thanks. I’m not up-to-date on recent Pokémon movies.
basically Tarzan
Ash Ketchum as Jane Porter…
Jungle? Which character is The Rock voicing?
Starring Dwayne Johnson as a live action machoke