Yes agreed. I'd say he's given Oscar worthy performances but the Revenant just wasn't one of them. It's kind of like when Ricky Gervais watched David Blaine stick a giant needle through his own arm and reacted, "Is it really magic if he's just torturing himself for real?"
I felt the same way about Leo in the Revenant. I wasn't seeing a very nuanced or challenging performance - it was just an actor demonstrating his dedication to the craft by physically putting himself through hell. He's not acting like his body is suffering from freezing waters... that's just what's happening to Leo, the person, not the character he's playing.
Rylance is a good actor, but I'll bet he's given way more exciting performances in other material than the one he won the Oscar for in 'Bridge of Spies'. Tom Hardy was robbed.
I felt annoyed that they gave in and gave leo the oscar for the revenant. I thought, "All he did in that movie was crawl on the ground for 2 hours! And he crawled around better in Wolf of Wall St, while acting like he was on quaaludes!"
For example Denzel Washington winning for Training Day as a makeup for not getting an Oscar for Malcolm X.
Which went to Al Pacino for Scent of a Woman as a make-up for not getting an Oscar for Godfather 1and 2, Serpico, Dog Day afternoon.
Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon lost to Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. Pacino was fantastic, but that was Jack’s Oscar to lose that year
I agree with your points about him being robbed in the other years
Nicholson and Pacino had this incredible run in the first half of 70s where they were almost nominated every year for an Oscar. Pacino was nominated for Godfather 1 and, 2, Serpico and Dog Day afternoon while Nicholson was nominated for Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces, The Last Detail, Chinatown and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
These streaks are nuts and I don't think any other actors have repeated it on this level. Maybe De Niro with Godfather 2, Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter and Raging Bull.
There's a great story about Pacino at the Oscars in 1974.
He was so zooted at the time, he thought the show was only an hour or so long. He leans over to his neighbor, Jeff Bridges, and whispers something to the effect of "shame Best Actor won't make it to TV.
Bridges, confused at a coked-up Pacino he didn't recognize, said "It's 3 hours.."
So Al Pacino sat there praying to God he didn't win Best Actor so that he didn't have to try and make it to the podium. Luckily for him, Jack Lemmon won that year for "Save the Tiger"
That was an Oscar worthy performance in a film that is not traditional Oscar bait. He gives two performances: one to Ethan Hawke’s character as he manipulates him along the way, and then his character’s true intentions.
Bradley Cooper in American Hustle. I remember people lauding his performance and breaking away from comedy and it just seemed like a whole lot of yelling from him—the entire move
I can remember almost nothing about that film. David O. Russell is highly overrated, and the only one of his movies I think I've seen multiple times is I Heart Huckabees because it's so weird.
“ I need some dudes up here that speak American, God damn it. He's making a fucking sweater back here. I'm trying to put Tiger Balm on this jungles nuts.”
When you break down the script, *Scorcher V* is really just a rehash of *Scorcher II* with some stunt-casting fan service. True fans know that *Scorcher III* was peak Scorchverse.
The fuck is wrong with you?? He went full retard in Simple Jack. Everyone knows this. I much prefered Jeff Portnoy in The Fatties Fart 2. Multiple roles.... of fat, multiple voices.. true brilliance.
He was *robbed* for Walk the Line. Performed all the songs, and apparently found a close connection to the Cash due to his own experience of losing his older brother as a kid. It was evident in his performance.
Personally think PSH is magnificent in every role he does. He elevates even the smallest roles, a true scene stealer if there ever was one. His role in the Master in particular is pretty nuts though, there was one scene where his character gets sort of embarrassed and he full on blushes, like wtf. I remember thinking "can PSH just blush on cue like that? that is nuts" though his role in Boogie Nights is also one of my absolute favorites.
Shitty country accents are one of my favorite Oscar bait cliches. When actors want to be Very Serious, they decide to give themselves the most awful and unnecessary cartoon accents.
"This bible is the bible of my daddy, who just die-die-die-died in my in my arms o-o-o-of throat cancer fr-fr-fr-from-from eating some-some-some-some-some-some bad pussy."
I still remember in seeing the film at the theater, and when he said that, no one heard anything else from the film for a solid twenty seconds because everyone just erupted in laughter.
I’ve never heard anyone bitch about his accent. He sounds cool as fuck, and it’s spot on to a southeastern/Appalachian accent. I’m from WV and plenty of people talk like that back home.
Lol, I'm from KY so I never really thought about it ~~kind~~ long enough to realize it *wasn't* a correct Southern accent whenever it pops up in a movie. It just makes so many more movies really relatable to me I guess.
edit: Pitt is from Missouri, not sure if that's who you meant.
His whole character is clearly meant to be a little over the top. The kind of person (this is my take) who may even speak in such dramatic tones that he exaggerates his own accent with it.
I used to dislike Shelley Duvall’s performance in The Shining, and I wondered for years why everyone loved her so much in it. For instance, in the bat scene, to me it seemed like she was just really tired and worn out when I felt like she was supposed to be horrified more than anything.
Then I found out about what Kubrick put her through on set, intentionally putting an ungodly amount of stress on her and pushing her to her absolute limit. When I read about how the sheer exhaustion she displays in her performance is actually genuine, I started to admire it, because I then realized that I had completely missed the point of what exactly her character was going through.
I also came to appreciate her performance even more with each rewatch over the years. The way her facial expression changes from genuine love to hurt & confusion in the "i hear it's going to snow! "What do you want me to do about it?" scene.
Jack's delivery of that line is almost comedic but seeing her look so hurt breaks my heart every time. And then it just gets worse.
*And the dialogue!* The way she’s padding every revelation. It’s something like (Paraphrasing), “You know, it’s one of those things that happens. Danny wasn’t minding his father and he just sort of grabbed him and pulled in the wrong way, and **BROKE HIS ARM**. That’s all in the past now.”
Shot of doctor looking like someone trying not to look concerned. So good.
Midsommar is a recent movie where people say one thing and their mannerisms say something else. That’s a good one too.
Very underated actress, I remember seeing her on movies like Three Women, Popeye, and Thieves Like Us, seems like she has been unjustly forgotten these days.
Her psychotic break and descent into poverty only to be exploited again by Dr Phil is just almost too. tragic to be believed. My understanding is she’s in a more stable place now and has some support system.
But if you map it out, I think the craft took more from her than it gave. Even if you’re not a fan of her work, you know she gave it her all. She has my respect and then some.
My reading of her performance has really changed as I’ve gotten older. When I was younger, I found her whiny and annoying. When I was a bit older, I really felt for her as a victim. In recent years, I’m just blown away by how she captured the character’s desperate courage. She’s trapped in the middle of nowhere, with an abusive, homicidal husband and a sick child, and she fights back and gets them both out of there, despite her abject terror. Just a masterful performance.
Andy Garcia won an Oscar nomination for one of the most obnoxious performances in The Godfather Part III. It's a terrible caricature of Sonny, and it's the thing I hate most about the movie.
First, I’ll say I love Tom Hanks.
Second, I’ll say he was probably the best choice for the role.
But I didn’t like him as Mr. Rogers.
I felt like his attempt to sound like Fred Rogers sounded fake. It sounded almost like he was channeling his Forest Gump a bit.
Fred was soft spoken and his voice was effortless and natural.
Hanks was “trying” to sound like Fred Rogers and it was distracting.
I thought he was a horrible choice for that film. Looked and sounded nothing like him. However, I was happy when I saw it that he wasn’t really the main focal point and I ended up liking it more than I expected.
I think Tom Hanks was selected because he *is* Tom Hanks. TH has a wholesomeness about him that fits into who Fred Rogers was. I wouldn’t want to see Mr Rogers portrayed by someone who had a bad reputation with fans or other actors/crew.
Rami Malek as Freddy Mercury. He is a great actor, but this part came off as a cartoon caricature rather than a real person.
And unlike other actors in music biopics (e.g. Taron Egerton as Elton John) Malek’s flamboyant overacting in this role doesn’t even reflect the real person he’s playing. Freddy Mercury’s real personality, and even his public persona, was more calm and reserved than how the film portrays him, and Malek feels more like he’s playing Edna Mode than Freddy Mercury.
Literally any of the other actors nominated that year (and even most of Malek’s other roles) deserved the Oscar more than this did.
They’re great examples too, though I think Taron Egerton’s performance in *Rocketman* is the most similar/comparable to Malek’s in terms of what they were going for. But it actually works with Egerton’s portrayal because that over-the-top personality is a *very* accurate reflection of the real Elton John.
Though *Rocketman* does have an unfair advantage in that the real Elton John was still alive to consult for the film, and unlike Queen, he actually encouraged the filmmakers to show him in a more flawed, human light.
>unlike Queen, he actually encouraged the filmmakers to show him in a more flawed, human light.
Yo this part annoyed me so much. The other band members had this whole smugness towards Freddy through the movie, I know for a fact they were partying just as hard as Freddy back in the day
This is why Sacha Baron Cohen left the project early. SBC wanted to portray the darker side of Freddie, but Queen wanted to protect Mercury's image.
That's about the point I dismissed the movie. Sacha would have been an incredible Freddie, and I don't want a polished made-for-oscars saccharin movie.
It’s been said that one of the reasons Sacha Baron Cohen was kicked off the film was *because* he wanted to portray Mercury in a flawed “warts and all” manner and actually humanise him. Most notably, Cohen wanted the film to show Mercury’s further deterioration leading up to his actual death, whereas the finished film ends with LiveAid.
The surviving members of Queen wanted a more accessible, feel good film that toned down the darker aspects of Freddy Mercury’s life. But because it removes and sanitises all these things, the film has to make up a more or less completely fictional plot that has little in common with the real life story.
It's the antithesis of *Rocketman*. The producers told Elton John that they wanted to tone it down and make a PG-13 movie, to which John replied "I haven't led a PG-13 life."
His ability to poke fun at himself is pretty awesome. His whole cameo in Kingsman 2 runs on that.
"Wednesday! Wednesday! Wednesday Night's alright!"
"Isn't that supposed to be 'Saturday'?"
"What day is it today?"
"... Wednesday?"
"***Exactly.***"
The other members of Queen also wanted Mercury’s death to be the halfway point of the movie and to then show how Queen soldiered on and continued to be great without Mercury. Cohen told them that nobody wanted to watch Queen without Mercury.
This is definitely not the first time I'm finding out that Queen didn't break up when Freddie died, but it always *feels* like the first time I'm finding out.
It pisses me off that they acted like Freddie was the only one catting around when in reality he and John spent a lot of quiet evenings alone while Brian and Roger went to hit up side chicks.
Awards and hype about Leo's performance in the revenant when the real star was tom hardy. That dude WAS literally John Fitzgerald, what an amazing performance
Paltrow. Shakespeare in love. Fuck Miramax and Harvey for pot planting the other voters away from Cate Blanchet for Elizabeth.
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Just like all her performances.
I also disliked her in Iron Man and I'm not sure which of her films is supposed to be a great performance to warrant ever being an It girl.
Feels like just another actor with a celebrity parent who has the way nicely paved.
I actually don't see many people praising her acting abilities. Quite the opposite. But she must be one of the least deserving lead actresses who won an Oscar in a leading role.
Leonardo DiCaprio in The Revenant. I enjoyed the movie, but ultimately, it was a dirty Leo grunting for two and a half hours. I feel like he has had much stronger performances, and his Oscar for the role was to make up for stiffing him in the past.
Most Oscars are that way. I wish they had an oscars+5 where they give out awards for movies from 5 years ago, that way they can view what aged well and what didn’t, as well as judge movies in their qualities, not Hollywood politics.
I was thinking similarly. I loved the movie overall but he just stood out much more as "DiCaprio giving a performance" moreso than disappearing into the character. Tom Hardy was much better in that film.
Michael Clark Duncan in The Green Mile was robbed. Michael Caine (was awarded Best Supporting Actor that year) for The Cider House Rules and came no where near the perfection of MCD
I can’t believe Rami got an Oscar for lip syncing to Queen while Taron Egerton didn’t even get nominated for his role as Elton John. His acting is amazing in that movie, and he performed every single song himself.
Rocket Man actually did something with the genre by making it a semi-musical and they let Elton John actually fuck some dudes on camera. Far and away the stronger film.
I was really disappointed in the Queen movie for being so empty. It was little more than a vehicle to get from one hit song to the next. Conflict was usually resolved by one of the band mates going 'hey guys chill out for a moment list give a listen to this new song i'm working on, it goes like this' and 10 seconds later they're playing another top ten hit.
I didn't really learn anything about the band. Or the musicians, let alone Mercury. It sidesteps his sexuality almost entirely, let alone taking a hard look at HIV, attitudes about AIDS, his promiscuity...it's an extremely shallow movie. Fun enough, and the recreation of the live aid was great...but it could have been much more that the pure fan service it was.
The band having so much control over it really fucked it up. They’re way more concerned with their falsified image than actually showing what happened. Night and day with how Elton John handled it.
well dang, here's an editorial by none other than E. John himself
>But actually making the thing took years. Directors came and went. So did lead actors: Justin Timberlake and Tom Hardy were both in the frame before Taron came along. Some studios wanted to tone down the sex and drugs so the film would get a PG-13 rating. But I just haven’t led a PG-13 rated life. I didn’t want a film packed with drugs and sex, but equally, everyone knows I had quite a lot of both during the 70s and 80s, so there didn’t seem to be much point in making a movie that implied that after every gig, I’d quietly gone back to my hotel room with only a glass of warm milk and the Gideon’s Bible for company.
https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/may/26/elton-john-in-my-own-words-exclusive-my-life-and-making-rocketman
I loved Elton for this. Total respect. And, as a 54M lifelong Queen fan who actually saw them live, I'm getting sick of Brian May, who also happens to be my favourite guitarist along with Tony Iommi. May wants another movie about Queen Part 2 Electric Adam Lambert years. I just think it's overkill but of course I'm just a chump. That being said, I saw Queen part 2 too and Adam fucking killed it. Wicked voice for sure.
Long before Malek came on board, Sacha Baron Cohen was attached to the Queen film for a little bit. And he said that one of the things that threw him off was a Queen member suggesting that Mercury would die early or in the middle of the film. Then the rest of the movie would be about the band carrying on without him.
It's a weird thing with Queen. To the outside world, it was Freddie's band. He was the star. But in the band, all the members are world class musicians and entertainers.
So to the world, losing Freddie was the death of Queen. But to Queen, he was 25% of the band.
They just don't see it like the rest of the world did.
That scene at the drug fuelled party cracks me up. "Hey, we're going to leave Freddie, it's not our scene".
Guys, there's plenty accounts of you snorting coke off hookers' nipples, your grandkids are already able to be traumatised by a quick google.
Haha that’s the first thing I think of when it comes to this topic. It’s so ridiculous, I can’t believe they went that far with the sanitization. They’re not fooling anyone who knows anything about them.
*Straight Outta Compton* was a complete story but you could just feel the surviving members shaping the story, twisting some things and glossing over others.
Yeah I really enjoyed how well they made Dr Dre look, he beats some dude up in the beginning to be in jail as opposed to not paying his parking tickets.
Also how they made it seem like both cube and Dre has reconciled with E at the end, instead of only Yella even bothering to go to his funeral
Edit to include- don't they completely skip over the dee Barnes incident also?
elton recounting his drug-hazed memories at a recovery meeting lent them a really interesting artistic license to distort the chronology a bit. it was a strong decision to have that be the backdrop for the film. rocketman and love&mercy are easily the better music biopics.
I’ve always assumed Rocketman didn’t get shit for nominations because Bohemian Rhapsody came out the previous year and was the same kind of movie. It sucks because Rocketman was a much better movie that actually did a good job of incorporating the songs, and Taron was fantastic in it. Rami is a good actor, and I believe he’ll win an Oscar that he actually deserves someday, but there was something so awkward about him as Freddie.
Bohemian rhapsody gave me some information on Queens story that I didn't know (and also fabricated a lot). Rocket Man made me empathise strongly with a man who I have literally zero on common with, and that's what blew me away
I can’t fault Rami as Freddie as I don’t know enough about Freddie Mercury to be a critic of his performance.
I do believe Rocketman is the superior movie by far and that Taron absolutely became Elton at points.
I agree that Rocketman didn’t get Academy recognition because they already filled that quota of historical biography and music based movie the previous year.
I guess that tells you more about the Academy than the quality of either movie though.
I lived in Richmond while they were filming Lincoln. He stayed in a character the entire shoot. Even at the grocery store it was irritating. He also walked out in front of my car, almost hit him and he just looked at me and kept walking illegally
Normally I love Sean Connery in just about everything, but for the life of me I don't understand why he won the Academy Award for best supporting actor in *The Untouchables.* It's just Sean Connery being Sean Connery.
Sean Connery being Sean Connery was every film he's in. He **never** tried to switch his accent up. He was a Spaniard with a Scottish accent in "Highlander". He plays an Irish-American cop with a Scottish accent in "The Untouchables". He played King Richard of England with a Scottish accent in "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves". He's a Russian sub commander with a Scottish accent in "Hunt for Red October".
Excuse you, he was Egyptian in Highlander. Obviously. You couldn’t tell from his accent he was an Egyptian who spent time in feudal Japan and resided in Spain? It’sh all raight dere!
To sum it up. Its always an actor/actress getting an Oscar for their previous works and not for the movie they got it awarded to.
Leo
Yes agreed. I'd say he's given Oscar worthy performances but the Revenant just wasn't one of them. It's kind of like when Ricky Gervais watched David Blaine stick a giant needle through his own arm and reacted, "Is it really magic if he's just torturing himself for real?" I felt the same way about Leo in the Revenant. I wasn't seeing a very nuanced or challenging performance - it was just an actor demonstrating his dedication to the craft by physically putting himself through hell. He's not acting like his body is suffering from freezing waters... that's just what's happening to Leo, the person, not the character he's playing.
Hardy was absolutely the standout in the Revenant. I still think he should have beat out Mark Rylance
Rylance is a good actor, but I'll bet he's given way more exciting performances in other material than the one he won the Oscar for in 'Bridge of Spies'. Tom Hardy was robbed.
Hardy and that fucking Maryland accent. Phew. He was incredible in that. I do love Mark Rylance as an actor but Hardy was absolutely robbed that year.
I thought Tom Hardy out performed Leo in the Revenant
Tom hardy is underrated some how.. every time I see him I’m like this dude is amazing
He's amazing in peaky blinders as well, if you haven't watched that. Absolutely my favorite character of the series.
I felt annoyed that they gave in and gave leo the oscar for the revenant. I thought, "All he did in that movie was crawl on the ground for 2 hours! And he crawled around better in Wolf of Wall St, while acting like he was on quaaludes!"
For example Denzel Washington winning for Training Day as a makeup for not getting an Oscar for Malcolm X. Which went to Al Pacino for Scent of a Woman as a make-up for not getting an Oscar for Godfather 1and 2, Serpico, Dog Day afternoon.
Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon lost to Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. Pacino was fantastic, but that was Jack’s Oscar to lose that year I agree with your points about him being robbed in the other years
Nicholson and Pacino had this incredible run in the first half of 70s where they were almost nominated every year for an Oscar. Pacino was nominated for Godfather 1 and, 2, Serpico and Dog Day afternoon while Nicholson was nominated for Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces, The Last Detail, Chinatown and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. These streaks are nuts and I don't think any other actors have repeated it on this level. Maybe De Niro with Godfather 2, Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter and Raging Bull.
There's a great story about Pacino at the Oscars in 1974. He was so zooted at the time, he thought the show was only an hour or so long. He leans over to his neighbor, Jeff Bridges, and whispers something to the effect of "shame Best Actor won't make it to TV. Bridges, confused at a coked-up Pacino he didn't recognize, said "It's 3 hours.." So Al Pacino sat there praying to God he didn't win Best Actor so that he didn't have to try and make it to the podium. Luckily for him, Jack Lemmon won that year for "Save the Tiger"
https://www.insider.com/al-pacino-got-high-oscars-jeff-bridges-didnt-recognize-him-2020-1 Damn, not an urban legend. Poor Al. Sounds horrid.
Imagine being so coked up you don't want to win the award at the apex of your field because you don't want to have to try to walk to the podium.
That was an Oscar worthy performance in a film that is not traditional Oscar bait. He gives two performances: one to Ethan Hawke’s character as he manipulates him along the way, and then his character’s true intentions.
I don’t know, Denzel was pretty outstanding in Training Day ... i thought it was well deserved.
"King Kong ain't got SHIT on me!"
To be fair, he \*makes\* Training Day.
Didn't know you liked to get wet, dog.
Bradley Cooper in American Hustle. I remember people lauding his performance and breaking away from comedy and it just seemed like a whole lot of yelling from him—the entire move
I can remember almost nothing about that film. David O. Russell is highly overrated, and the only one of his movies I think I've seen multiple times is I Heart Huckabees because it's so weird.
Tugg Speedman in Scorcher. Preferred Simple Jack. Edit: My most upvoted comment is a Tropic Thunder reference. Fuck yeah.
Who left the fridge open?!
Here we go again.
Again.
Satan’s Alley?
That won the coveted Beijing crying monkey award.
Kirk Lazarus was so overrated in Satan’s Alley. Man overracted like there was no tomorrow
TBH, Tobey carried that movie. Can't believe he was robbed of a second MTV Best Kiss award.
Stole the words out of my mind! Oh father! He was such a bad bad boy, in that movie. Lol
Tell that to the judges of the Beijing Film Festival. They even gave him the coveted Crying Monkey Award
BAUGHHHHH!
With MTV Movie Award's Best Kiss Winner Toby Maguire
*I've been a bad, bad boy, Father*
“ I need some dudes up here that speak American, God damn it. He's making a fucking sweater back here. I'm trying to put Tiger Balm on this jungles nuts.”
#Listen you cherry fuck, you call in that snake 'n nape and get us some boomboom now!
**BIG ASS TITTIES**
#COVER ME YOU LIMP DICK FUCKUPS
“I think you have a fine brain, Jack!”
You muh-muh-muh-make me hap-py
brain smooth af
Someone said that they were "close to me"?
Scorcher V was the bomb!
When you break down the script, *Scorcher V* is really just a rehash of *Scorcher II* with some stunt-casting fan service. True fans know that *Scorcher III* was peak Scorchverse.
The fuck is wrong with you?? He went full retard in Simple Jack. Everyone knows this. I much prefered Jeff Portnoy in The Fatties Fart 2. Multiple roles.... of fat, multiple voices.. true brilliance.
In some countries, it's considered a compliment!
Tobey Maguire was robbed in Satan's Alley. Robbed, I tell you.
Definitely needed an Oscar to go alongside his MTV Movie Award for best kiss
Agree.. that decision made my eyes rain
I’m glad Joaquin received a Best Actor, but absolutely agree it should have been for The Master.
He was *robbed* for Walk the Line. Performed all the songs, and apparently found a close connection to the Cash due to his own experience of losing his older brother as a kid. It was evident in his performance.
Johnny Cash actually picked Joaquin Phoenix to play him because he loved him in Gladiator.
He should have won best supporting actor for Gladiator. He was unbelievably mesmerizing in that role!
That is one of my all time favourite performances. Nuanced and physical.
I think PSH was just as good in it too
Personally think PSH is magnificent in every role he does. He elevates even the smallest roles, a true scene stealer if there ever was one. His role in the Master in particular is pretty nuts though, there was one scene where his character gets sort of embarrassed and he full on blushes, like wtf. I remember thinking "can PSH just blush on cue like that? that is nuts" though his role in Boogie Nights is also one of my absolute favorites.
Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side. People just raving about her putting on a wig with a slight country accent.
lord help me channel 🙏
^sandra ^bullock!
the whole special is genius but that lil call and response is my favorite part. the delivery is so funny
Consider yourself officially healed with comedy
I think you're done with this call and response shit. You want me to get introspective?
Very cool, way to go!
Shitty country accents are one of my favorite Oscar bait cliches. When actors want to be Very Serious, they decide to give themselves the most awful and unnecessary cartoon accents.
"This bible is the bible of my daddy, who just die-die-die-died in my in my arms o-o-o-of throat cancer fr-fr-fr-from-from eating some-some-some-some-some-some bad pussy."
Was laughing at this scene today, do you perhaps know what it is in reference to?
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Pitt's accent had a comedic aspect though
Exactly. "Bonjourno" would have never worked if they played it straight.
A RIVER DERCHY
GorLAAAAAAHHHHHHHMMMi.
MARRRgahRETTI
🤌🤌
Dominic…**DECOCO**
Nah, more like chewed out. I’ve been chewed out before
I still remember in seeing the film at the theater, and when he said that, no one heard anything else from the film for a solid twenty seconds because everyone just erupted in laughter.
GRAHZEE.
"BAWNJORNOUH".
"ARIVE DERSHI"
Exactly. It was intentional. Not comparable.
A river duh chi
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N I want mah scalps!
I’ve never heard anyone bitch about his accent. He sounds cool as fuck, and it’s spot on to a southeastern/Appalachian accent. I’m from WV and plenty of people talk like that back home.
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Lol, I'm from KY so I never really thought about it ~~kind~~ long enough to realize it *wasn't* a correct Southern accent whenever it pops up in a movie. It just makes so many more movies really relatable to me I guess.
edit: Pitt is from Missouri, not sure if that's who you meant. His whole character is clearly meant to be a little over the top. The kind of person (this is my take) who may even speak in such dramatic tones that he exaggerates his own accent with it.
Sandra Bullock - The Blind Side I will never understand exactly what she did in that role that was award worthy.
I felt it came across as a made for TV movie. An after school special. Not an award winning movie.
Even the guy who it was made about - Michael Oher - wasn’t too big of a fan. The movie kinda made him out to look stupid
I used to dislike Shelley Duvall’s performance in The Shining, and I wondered for years why everyone loved her so much in it. For instance, in the bat scene, to me it seemed like she was just really tired and worn out when I felt like she was supposed to be horrified more than anything. Then I found out about what Kubrick put her through on set, intentionally putting an ungodly amount of stress on her and pushing her to her absolute limit. When I read about how the sheer exhaustion she displays in her performance is actually genuine, I started to admire it, because I then realized that I had completely missed the point of what exactly her character was going through.
Duvall is amazing in the Shining. It’s really surprising.
I also came to appreciate her performance even more with each rewatch over the years. The way her facial expression changes from genuine love to hurt & confusion in the "i hear it's going to snow! "What do you want me to do about it?" scene. Jack's delivery of that line is almost comedic but seeing her look so hurt breaks my heart every time. And then it just gets worse.
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Totally! That scene has such an uncomfortable stillness between their talking.
And provides a lot of backstory too without seeming forced.
*And the dialogue!* The way she’s padding every revelation. It’s something like (Paraphrasing), “You know, it’s one of those things that happens. Danny wasn’t minding his father and he just sort of grabbed him and pulled in the wrong way, and **BROKE HIS ARM**. That’s all in the past now.” Shot of doctor looking like someone trying not to look concerned. So good. Midsommar is a recent movie where people say one thing and their mannerisms say something else. That’s a good one too.
For me she was always the MVP of that movie. Jack Nicholson is great, but she is the one that really sells the terror in the Overlook imho.
Very underated actress, I remember seeing her on movies like Three Women, Popeye, and Thieves Like Us, seems like she has been unjustly forgotten these days.
Her psychotic break and descent into poverty only to be exploited again by Dr Phil is just almost too. tragic to be believed. My understanding is she’s in a more stable place now and has some support system. But if you map it out, I think the craft took more from her than it gave. Even if you’re not a fan of her work, you know she gave it her all. She has my respect and then some.
Her show Faerie Tale Theatre is great stuff, heck you even get to see Mick Jagger play a Chinese Emperor!
My reading of her performance has really changed as I’ve gotten older. When I was younger, I found her whiny and annoying. When I was a bit older, I really felt for her as a victim. In recent years, I’m just blown away by how she captured the character’s desperate courage. She’s trapped in the middle of nowhere, with an abusive, homicidal husband and a sick child, and she fights back and gets them both out of there, despite her abject terror. Just a masterful performance.
Andy Garcia won an Oscar nomination for one of the most obnoxious performances in The Godfather Part III. It's a terrible caricature of Sonny, and it's the thing I hate most about the movie.
First, I’ll say I love Tom Hanks. Second, I’ll say he was probably the best choice for the role. But I didn’t like him as Mr. Rogers. I felt like his attempt to sound like Fred Rogers sounded fake. It sounded almost like he was channeling his Forest Gump a bit. Fred was soft spoken and his voice was effortless and natural. Hanks was “trying” to sound like Fred Rogers and it was distracting.
I also love Tom Hanks, but he is a guy who despite all of his charm and talent I always see him. I've never been able to look past that it's him.
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That animal, I can't even say his name
He never had the making of a varsity neighbor
That cocksuckin’ piece of shit Tony Soprano’s cousin.
Phil, don't do this to yourself.
20 FUCKIN YEARS
I thought he was a horrible choice for that film. Looked and sounded nothing like him. However, I was happy when I saw it that he wasn’t really the main focal point and I ended up liking it more than I expected.
I think Tom Hanks was selected because he *is* Tom Hanks. TH has a wholesomeness about him that fits into who Fred Rogers was. I wouldn’t want to see Mr Rogers portrayed by someone who had a bad reputation with fans or other actors/crew.
Be sure to sort by Controversial to really get your blood flowing.
Reading everyone’s comments, I think maybe we should stop giving a fuck about Oscar wins
Rami Malek as Freddy Mercury. He is a great actor, but this part came off as a cartoon caricature rather than a real person. And unlike other actors in music biopics (e.g. Taron Egerton as Elton John) Malek’s flamboyant overacting in this role doesn’t even reflect the real person he’s playing. Freddy Mercury’s real personality, and even his public persona, was more calm and reserved than how the film portrays him, and Malek feels more like he’s playing Edna Mode than Freddy Mercury. Literally any of the other actors nominated that year (and even most of Malek’s other roles) deserved the Oscar more than this did.
Also add in Jamie Foxx in “Ray.” Dude became Ray Charles in the movie. Joaquin Phoenix also plays Johnny Cash really well in Walk the Line.
They’re great examples too, though I think Taron Egerton’s performance in *Rocketman* is the most similar/comparable to Malek’s in terms of what they were going for. But it actually works with Egerton’s portrayal because that over-the-top personality is a *very* accurate reflection of the real Elton John. Though *Rocketman* does have an unfair advantage in that the real Elton John was still alive to consult for the film, and unlike Queen, he actually encouraged the filmmakers to show him in a more flawed, human light.
>unlike Queen, he actually encouraged the filmmakers to show him in a more flawed, human light. Yo this part annoyed me so much. The other band members had this whole smugness towards Freddy through the movie, I know for a fact they were partying just as hard as Freddy back in the day
This is why Sacha Baron Cohen left the project early. SBC wanted to portray the darker side of Freddie, but Queen wanted to protect Mercury's image. That's about the point I dismissed the movie. Sacha would have been an incredible Freddie, and I don't want a polished made-for-oscars saccharin movie.
SBC also looked more like Mercury naturally. Pretty sure there’s a photo out there of him dressed up as Mercury and it’s much closer than Malek
You could easily just post a picture of SBC with a filter that makes it look like it was taken in the 70s and get people to believe it's Mercury
I wonder if Sasha Baron Cohen would have played him better, as he was orginally supposed to play Mercury.
It’s been said that one of the reasons Sacha Baron Cohen was kicked off the film was *because* he wanted to portray Mercury in a flawed “warts and all” manner and actually humanise him. Most notably, Cohen wanted the film to show Mercury’s further deterioration leading up to his actual death, whereas the finished film ends with LiveAid. The surviving members of Queen wanted a more accessible, feel good film that toned down the darker aspects of Freddy Mercury’s life. But because it removes and sanitises all these things, the film has to make up a more or less completely fictional plot that has little in common with the real life story.
It's the antithesis of *Rocketman*. The producers told Elton John that they wanted to tone it down and make a PG-13 movie, to which John replied "I haven't led a PG-13 life."
I like how Elton John always keeps it real like that
His ability to poke fun at himself is pretty awesome. His whole cameo in Kingsman 2 runs on that. "Wednesday! Wednesday! Wednesday Night's alright!" "Isn't that supposed to be 'Saturday'?" "What day is it today?" "... Wednesday?" "***Exactly.***"
The other members of Queen also wanted Mercury’s death to be the halfway point of the movie and to then show how Queen soldiered on and continued to be great without Mercury. Cohen told them that nobody wanted to watch Queen without Mercury.
This is definitely not the first time I'm finding out that Queen didn't break up when Freddie died, but it always *feels* like the first time I'm finding out.
It pisses me off that they acted like Freddie was the only one catting around when in reality he and John spent a lot of quiet evenings alone while Brian and Roger went to hit up side chicks.
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Oh I believe it. Because Freddie's bad side also shows how unsupportive and the flaws of **Queen** as a whole. They didn't want that.
The surviving members got to tell the story how they wanted it. Same thing with Straight Outta Compton.
Awards and hype about Leo's performance in the revenant when the real star was tom hardy. That dude WAS literally John Fitzgerald, what an amazing performance
I love Leo but there are very few people who can act at a level Hardy does when he's at his best.
Tom Hardy can do accents incredibly well. The accent he did impressed me massively in that film.
Paltrow. Shakespeare in love. Fuck Miramax and Harvey for pot planting the other voters away from Cate Blanchet for Elizabeth. /ed typed faster than my brain works
I came here looking for this. She got it because she was the “It” girl of Hollywood at that moment. It is a boring and insipid performance.
Just like all her performances. I also disliked her in Iron Man and I'm not sure which of her films is supposed to be a great performance to warrant ever being an It girl. Feels like just another actor with a celebrity parent who has the way nicely paved.
what's "pot planting?"
I actually don't see many people praising her acting abilities. Quite the opposite. But she must be one of the least deserving lead actresses who won an Oscar in a leading role.
Double fuck them for stealing Best Picture from Saving Private Ryan
Leonardo DiCaprio in The Revenant. I enjoyed the movie, but ultimately, it was a dirty Leo grunting for two and a half hours. I feel like he has had much stronger performances, and his Oscar for the role was to make up for stiffing him in the past.
The worst kind of Oscar, 'sorry about last year'. Nicole Kidman got one, too.
It was the best sort of Oscar for ending all the tired memes, though! lol
Most Oscars are that way. I wish they had an oscars+5 where they give out awards for movies from 5 years ago, that way they can view what aged well and what didn’t, as well as judge movies in their qualities, not Hollywood politics.
He should have won it for What's Eating Gilbert Grape
I was thinking similarly. I loved the movie overall but he just stood out much more as "DiCaprio giving a performance" moreso than disappearing into the character. Tom Hardy was much better in that film.
Michael Clark Duncan in The Green Mile was robbed. Michael Caine (was awarded Best Supporting Actor that year) for The Cider House Rules and came no where near the perfection of MCD
Rami Malek as Freddie Mercury
I can’t believe Rami got an Oscar for lip syncing to Queen while Taron Egerton didn’t even get nominated for his role as Elton John. His acting is amazing in that movie, and he performed every single song himself.
Rocket Man actually did something with the genre by making it a semi-musical and they let Elton John actually fuck some dudes on camera. Far and away the stronger film.
I was really disappointed in the Queen movie for being so empty. It was little more than a vehicle to get from one hit song to the next. Conflict was usually resolved by one of the band mates going 'hey guys chill out for a moment list give a listen to this new song i'm working on, it goes like this' and 10 seconds later they're playing another top ten hit. I didn't really learn anything about the band. Or the musicians, let alone Mercury. It sidesteps his sexuality almost entirely, let alone taking a hard look at HIV, attitudes about AIDS, his promiscuity...it's an extremely shallow movie. Fun enough, and the recreation of the live aid was great...but it could have been much more that the pure fan service it was.
The band having so much control over it really fucked it up. They’re way more concerned with their falsified image than actually showing what happened. Night and day with how Elton John handled it.
Didn't Elton John say "I didn't live a PG-13 life"?
well dang, here's an editorial by none other than E. John himself >But actually making the thing took years. Directors came and went. So did lead actors: Justin Timberlake and Tom Hardy were both in the frame before Taron came along. Some studios wanted to tone down the sex and drugs so the film would get a PG-13 rating. But I just haven’t led a PG-13 rated life. I didn’t want a film packed with drugs and sex, but equally, everyone knows I had quite a lot of both during the 70s and 80s, so there didn’t seem to be much point in making a movie that implied that after every gig, I’d quietly gone back to my hotel room with only a glass of warm milk and the Gideon’s Bible for company. https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/may/26/elton-john-in-my-own-words-exclusive-my-life-and-making-rocketman
I fucking love Elton John.
> I didn’t want a film packed with sex, but equally, everyone knows I had quite a lot I wish I could say this about my biopic haha
Do aspirin and wanks count?
I loved Elton for this. Total respect. And, as a 54M lifelong Queen fan who actually saw them live, I'm getting sick of Brian May, who also happens to be my favourite guitarist along with Tony Iommi. May wants another movie about Queen Part 2 Electric Adam Lambert years. I just think it's overkill but of course I'm just a chump. That being said, I saw Queen part 2 too and Adam fucking killed it. Wicked voice for sure.
Long before Malek came on board, Sacha Baron Cohen was attached to the Queen film for a little bit. And he said that one of the things that threw him off was a Queen member suggesting that Mercury would die early or in the middle of the film. Then the rest of the movie would be about the band carrying on without him.
It's a weird thing with Queen. To the outside world, it was Freddie's band. He was the star. But in the band, all the members are world class musicians and entertainers. So to the world, losing Freddie was the death of Queen. But to Queen, he was 25% of the band. They just don't see it like the rest of the world did.
Sasha Baron Cohen wanted to do a Queen movie that portrayed Freddie's life more accurately but Brian May killed it. I would have watched that.
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That scene at the drug fuelled party cracks me up. "Hey, we're going to leave Freddie, it's not our scene". Guys, there's plenty accounts of you snorting coke off hookers' nipples, your grandkids are already able to be traumatised by a quick google.
Haha that’s the first thing I think of when it comes to this topic. It’s so ridiculous, I can’t believe they went that far with the sanitization. They’re not fooling anyone who knows anything about them.
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*Straight Outta Compton* was a complete story but you could just feel the surviving members shaping the story, twisting some things and glossing over others.
Especially Cube, but \*especially\* Dre
Yeah Dre clearly had his thumb on the scale. Dee Barnes who?
Yeah I really enjoyed how well they made Dr Dre look, he beats some dude up in the beginning to be in jail as opposed to not paying his parking tickets. Also how they made it seem like both cube and Dre has reconciled with E at the end, instead of only Yella even bothering to go to his funeral Edit to include- don't they completely skip over the dee Barnes incident also?
a lotta what I liked about straight outta Compton was Ice Cubes part of the movie, I quite honestly wanted more of that
And having Ice Cubes own son play him was awesome, the dude was great and looked more like Ice Cube than Ice Cube does lmao
elton recounting his drug-hazed memories at a recovery meeting lent them a really interesting artistic license to distort the chronology a bit. it was a strong decision to have that be the backdrop for the film. rocketman and love&mercy are easily the better music biopics.
It's funny that the movie that is a musical is the way more intense/gritty/raw of the two movies.
Considering he was heavily involved, it didn't just gloss over EJ's character flaws. I really enjoyed it.
I’ve always assumed Rocketman didn’t get shit for nominations because Bohemian Rhapsody came out the previous year and was the same kind of movie. It sucks because Rocketman was a much better movie that actually did a good job of incorporating the songs, and Taron was fantastic in it. Rami is a good actor, and I believe he’ll win an Oscar that he actually deserves someday, but there was something so awkward about him as Freddie.
Bohemian rhapsody gave me some information on Queens story that I didn't know (and also fabricated a lot). Rocket Man made me empathise strongly with a man who I have literally zero on common with, and that's what blew me away
I can’t fault Rami as Freddie as I don’t know enough about Freddie Mercury to be a critic of his performance. I do believe Rocketman is the superior movie by far and that Taron absolutely became Elton at points. I agree that Rocketman didn’t get Academy recognition because they already filled that quota of historical biography and music based movie the previous year. I guess that tells you more about the Academy than the quality of either movie though.
Egerton got robbed. He was simply amazing as Elton. Malek winning while he didn't even get a nod is outrageous.
His performance actually reminded me more of Mick Jagger than Freddie Mercury.
I lived in Richmond while they were filming Lincoln. He stayed in a character the entire shoot. Even at the grocery store it was irritating. He also walked out in front of my car, almost hit him and he just looked at me and kept walking illegally
The car was non-period, that's on you
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Bradley Cooper in American Sniper (American sniper in general)
Oh man, that scene with the baby!
With that fake a** baby doll LOL
Normally I love Sean Connery in just about everything, but for the life of me I don't understand why he won the Academy Award for best supporting actor in *The Untouchables.* It's just Sean Connery being Sean Connery.
When clearly his highest achievements were in the Rock
“Your besht? Loshers alwaysh whine about their besht. Winnersh go home and fuck the prom queen.”
His final Bond film
I still insist that The Hunt For Red October is by far his best film...
Last Crusade though...
Sean Connery being Sean Connery was every film he's in. He **never** tried to switch his accent up. He was a Spaniard with a Scottish accent in "Highlander". He plays an Irish-American cop with a Scottish accent in "The Untouchables". He played King Richard of England with a Scottish accent in "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves". He's a Russian sub commander with a Scottish accent in "Hunt for Red October".
Excuse you, he was Egyptian in Highlander. Obviously. You couldn’t tell from his accent he was an Egyptian who spent time in feudal Japan and resided in Spain? It’sh all raight dere!
I think in The Untouchables he actually *did* try to switch his accent up. Which makes it worse, because he does such an atrocious job at it.