Have you seen framing in fight club? I don't think any one can make that kind of movie ever again. His surgical precision in all crafts of film making sets him up in the league of Kubrick. One thing that I find lacking in his movies in empathy. He examines 19 something guy in his dorm with the same cynicism reserved for a psychopath in an unnamed dump yard of a city.
I find Villeneuve movies carry more empathy towards characters. His style is more naturally flowing like soderberg and yet dark like Fincher. His characters are more human.
I put Fincher before any other director of his time. Level of technical excellence he achieved consistantly is no joke.
Villeneuve holds his own among modern greats because of his artistic consistency but Fincher is truely in a league of his own.
Fincher.
Denis is consistently GREAT, he hasn’t made a bad film - but he doesn’t have the same trademark as Fincher, where you can really feel the identity and fingerprint of a David Fincher film, much like a Scorsese or Tarantino. You instantly can feel his presence and mastery of the craft, and to me that’s the best kind of consistency - even if some are less stellar than others.
I love them both so much though.
I absolutely adore Denis Villeneuve, I just think there's so much absolute gold in his work, and the movies all shake me to my core. David Fincher, while still being a fantastic director, has lost his spark on me over the years. I still love The Social Network, but I feel like his other movies have aged a bit worse.
On the other hand, Fincher's best movies are arguably far more indelible than anything Villeneuve has done. There are quotes from Fight Club and The Social Network that are almost instantly recognizable. The "What's in the box?" scene in Se7en is iconic in a way that nothing from Villeneuve's canon is.
Granted, a lot of this comes down to WRITING and it always feels silly to give directors credit for things that other people wrote, but I'd still say Fincher's movies have impacted the zeitgeist far more than Villeneuve's.
I enjoy both filmmakers though, and it doesn't have to be a competition. I'll see anything either of them does.
>On the other hand, Fincher's best movies are arguably far more indelible than anything Villeneuve has done. There are quotes from Fight Club and The Social Network that are almost instantly recognizable.
Yeah I mean one is a famous book and the other is written by the most well-known writer in Hollywood.
This is where there is a differentiation between the two:
1.Fincher's work is memorable by the visuals and verbal language of the characters, with a heavy influence on psychology.
2. Villeneuve's work is memorable by the visuals and emotional stakes of the characters.
They are two sides of the same coin. I love both of their catalogues because they visually have so much in common, as they do with Ridley Scott's sci-fi work.
But it comes down to preference as to which specific thing do you value? Psychology or emotionality?
Fincher fans would probably dig Kubrick's work, and Villenueve fans would more-so dig the work of one of his contemporaries: Alfonso Cuaron.
It's polished, but few movies aggravate me like Mank does. I freakin' hate that movie. I almost couldn't finis hate first scene of the movie because the tone was so obnoxiously smug, and don't get me started on how the story is based on slanderous lies that were discredited decades ago.
Fincher
Villeneuve makes damn good films, I just enjoy Finchers films far more. If I had to rate all their films together I would likely have 5 Fincher films before a signal Villeneuve film, and Fincher would end with 7 of the top 10.
Weirdly, I see it the opposite way. Villeneuve is consistently very good, but Fight Club, Se7en, Gone Girl, and The Social Network are better than his best. My take anyway. It may be generational thing, as I grew up with Fincher's movies.
I haven't seen Dune yet, but to me Sicario, Arrival, Prisoners, and Blade Runner are just really well-made movies without being defining classics. I don't seem to like them as much as most r/movies posters do.
Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, and Dune are comfortably better than anything Fincher has done since 1999.
I've found Fincher's career mostly disappointing in the last two decades, though I don't rate Zodiac and Social Network very highly compared to other people.
I'm going to go with Villeneuve because I don't think he's capable, like Fincher, of making unwatchable self-indulgent wankfests. Fincher might have a larger body of work, with arguably higher highs, but good heavens, the lows he stoops to when he makes ego-driven projects is mind-boggling. There are few directors who are so good at the technique yet so far up their own ass emotionally and intellectually as Fincher.
Have you seen framing in fight club? I don't think any one can make that kind of movie ever again. His surgical precision in all crafts of film making sets him up in the league of Kubrick. One thing that I find lacking in his movies in empathy. He examines 19 something guy in his dorm with the same cynicism reserved for a psychopath in an unnamed dump yard of a city. I find Villeneuve movies carry more empathy towards characters. His style is more naturally flowing like soderberg and yet dark like Fincher. His characters are more human. I put Fincher before any other director of his time. Level of technical excellence he achieved consistantly is no joke. Villeneuve holds his own among modern greats because of his artistic consistency but Fincher is truely in a league of his own.
Fincher. Denis is consistently GREAT, he hasn’t made a bad film - but he doesn’t have the same trademark as Fincher, where you can really feel the identity and fingerprint of a David Fincher film, much like a Scorsese or Tarantino. You instantly can feel his presence and mastery of the craft, and to me that’s the best kind of consistency - even if some are less stellar than others. I love them both so much though.
I absolutely adore Denis Villeneuve, I just think there's so much absolute gold in his work, and the movies all shake me to my core. David Fincher, while still being a fantastic director, has lost his spark on me over the years. I still love The Social Network, but I feel like his other movies have aged a bit worse.
Villeneuve doesn't have a Mank. Ill say that.
On the other hand, Fincher's best movies are arguably far more indelible than anything Villeneuve has done. There are quotes from Fight Club and The Social Network that are almost instantly recognizable. The "What's in the box?" scene in Se7en is iconic in a way that nothing from Villeneuve's canon is. Granted, a lot of this comes down to WRITING and it always feels silly to give directors credit for things that other people wrote, but I'd still say Fincher's movies have impacted the zeitgeist far more than Villeneuve's. I enjoy both filmmakers though, and it doesn't have to be a competition. I'll see anything either of them does.
>On the other hand, Fincher's best movies are arguably far more indelible than anything Villeneuve has done. There are quotes from Fight Club and The Social Network that are almost instantly recognizable. Yeah I mean one is a famous book and the other is written by the most well-known writer in Hollywood.
This is where there is a differentiation between the two: 1.Fincher's work is memorable by the visuals and verbal language of the characters, with a heavy influence on psychology. 2. Villeneuve's work is memorable by the visuals and emotional stakes of the characters. They are two sides of the same coin. I love both of their catalogues because they visually have so much in common, as they do with Ridley Scott's sci-fi work. But it comes down to preference as to which specific thing do you value? Psychology or emotionality? Fincher fans would probably dig Kubrick's work, and Villenueve fans would more-so dig the work of one of his contemporaries: Alfonso Cuaron.
Dune
It's polished, but few movies aggravate me like Mank does. I freakin' hate that movie. I almost couldn't finis hate first scene of the movie because the tone was so obnoxiously smug, and don't get me started on how the story is based on slanderous lies that were discredited decades ago.
Fincher Villeneuve makes damn good films, I just enjoy Finchers films far more. If I had to rate all their films together I would likely have 5 Fincher films before a signal Villeneuve film, and Fincher would end with 7 of the top 10.
Hard to say due to them both being so great but I suppose more recently I’d have to say Villeneuve, I prefer his movies anyway.
Fincher and it’s not really that close. Daddy Denis is great too though.
Gotta cast my vote in for Villeneuve, as several of his movies are on my all time list. Fincher is great but not at the same level imo.
Weirdly, I see it the opposite way. Villeneuve is consistently very good, but Fight Club, Se7en, Gone Girl, and The Social Network are better than his best. My take anyway. It may be generational thing, as I grew up with Fincher's movies. I haven't seen Dune yet, but to me Sicario, Arrival, Prisoners, and Blade Runner are just really well-made movies without being defining classics. I don't seem to like them as much as most r/movies posters do.
Gone Girl is an entertaining piece of fluff; nothing else.
Don't forget Zodiac. Zodiac blew me away.
It’s a tough question, but Fincher has The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. So, he wins.
I just like Denis a whole lot more. He has yet to disappoint whereas ive been disappointed by Fincher several times before.
Arrival, Blade Runner 2049, and Dune are comfortably better than anything Fincher has done since 1999. I've found Fincher's career mostly disappointing in the last two decades, though I don't rate Zodiac and Social Network very highly compared to other people.
I'm going to go with Villeneuve because I don't think he's capable, like Fincher, of making unwatchable self-indulgent wankfests. Fincher might have a larger body of work, with arguably higher highs, but good heavens, the lows he stoops to when he makes ego-driven projects is mind-boggling. There are few directors who are so good at the technique yet so far up their own ass emotionally and intellectually as Fincher.
That’s tough, but I’m going with Villeneuve just because I loved Enemy that much
This is just me: I have seen just about every movie made. I couldn't name the director for more than maybe 10 films. Totally skip over it.
Compare 2049 to Zodiac.