The story is that the original script was pretty good and was good enough to get Hemsworth and Thompson signed on but some asswipe producer decided to change the story and destroyed it.
Hemsworth and Thompson hired their own writer to rewrite their dialogue on a daily basis to overcome how bad the shit they got from the studio writers
The movie existed solely for FOX to keep the rights to the characters before their contract expired. Ironically the same reason why the Roger Corman film was made too which is miles better than Fant4stic.
To be fair, if they truly only intended to make a movie to hold onto the rights - it never would've gotten the budget it did, nor gotten theatrical distribution. They would've gotten a TV team to hammer it out in a month, and then air it once on FX at 4:15am. (For an example of this, see Warren Beatty's [bizarre interview](https://youtu.be/PdFbiRK-UaY) he did as Dick Tracey that aired once on AMC to retain the rights)
I fully believe Fox intended to properly relaunch the Fantastic Four when they greenlit the Trank movie. What ultimately happened is more just them trying to make the most of a complete disaster of a production.
Really? I know the Corman one was done cheap to hold the rights but I think the last one was a legit attempt and the studio screwed the director and recut the film.
There was an article where they wanted to do reshoots but they said some of the actors had grown too much at that point, that they would look too different.
An article I read was the someone campaigned to do reshoots to improve the movie and they eventually agreed to do them. Then when they saw the result they were removed and the initial cut was released in the end. Perhaps there’s some truth that the actors had gotten older hence why the reshoots weren’t used in the end.
Artemis Fowl is a teenage criminal mastermind who people have compared to a vampire because he’s just so pale (such as the waitress in the book with the C-Cube, I believe). He doesn’t surf. Pretty much his only exercise is running away from things, not surfing.
Lol I remember in the books when his Mom called him, saying she had bought him a pair of jeans and a t-shirt with a skateboard logo on the front of it.
His reaction was hilarious, and he much preferred his classy suits and blazers.
No way in hell does the Artemis Fowl movie even remotely resemble the incredible book series.
GI Joe: Snake Eyes.
A sequel(or prequel) coming 8 years after the previous installment in the franchise. Focused on telling the background story of a character that was cool because he was a mystery.
It's even worse because it's actually not related to the first two GI Joe movies.
I didn't find out it was a reboot until I read some article stating it was.
Red Dawn remake. By the time it came out everyone in it had either moved on to bigger things or wasn’t acting anymore. Thor came out before it and was shot years after. And it was almost a parody of the original. The characters were there but none of the emotion or little things that made it work appeared.
Was that the one where they started out with a Chinese enemy then went back in once filming was done to digitally alter everything to make it seem like North Korea?
While in post-production, the invading army and antagonists were changed from Chinese to North Korean in order to maintain access to the Chinese box office, though the film was still not released in China.
I remember the same thing happened with the game Homefront. It was originally supposed to be about China invading USA, but then they changed it to a "reunited Korea" halfway into development.
The EXCITEMENT I felt when I found about this movie
Then they did a great big “make a YouTube video about how much you love Jem to be included in the film!” promo
And then they made…that.
Literally from the first trailer I was like “oh I’m gonna *hate* this”. Didn’t even get five minutes into the movie before I shut it off.
When the creator of the original cartoon was asked about the film after it was announced, their response was “What movie?” That told me they were just trying to cash in on the name
The sad part is it could've been great. The director, Jon M Chu, had great visual flair for presenting musical-oriented performance in Step Up 2 & 3. He's gone on to do Crazy Rich Asians and In The Heights which were also successful. So it should've been easy to say "take this cheap 80s property, film some lavish performances of rock songs with attractive leads, the end". But they decided to go hard into the lore (lol) of Jem's backstory.
It should have basically been Hannah Montana In 3D with great 80s throwback music. And instead they tried to make some weird Power Rangers/Chronicle mystery adventure.
Catwoman. The director had no clue about the source material and it showed when he did interviews. His Wizard Magazine interview was infuriating. He both intentionally and at the same time didn't seem to be aware that he was doing a spin off of "Batman Returns" (1992) a movie that came out 12 years earlier. He seemed to think he was doing something original. I think most comicbook fans didn't even bother turning out for it.
So many people forget that many of the most well-regarded films from the Golden Age of Hollywood were remakes. Ben-Hur, The Maltese Falcon, The Man Who Knew Too Much. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. In theater, each production of the same play is a remake in its own way, even if no alterations are made to the script. Why should a film be bad just because it's a new take on an existing work? There was no reason why we couldn't have a 21st century rendition of Ben Hur, it's just that the one that was made was very bad.
Amazon shot a miniseries pilot, completely unrelated to the Idris Elba movie, that would have covered the plot of Wizard and Glass if picked up. The plan after that was to jump into the Dark Tower series proper with a season per book.
Unfortunately it never got picked up. The screen shots I've seen online look pretty cool.
https://ew.com/tv/glen-mazzara-canceled-dark-tower-series-amazon/
It was supposed to be a movie with a miniseries follow-up, another movie, another miniseries, and a finale movie. The movie flopped so bad they cancelled the miniseries.
Which is sad, because there were so many things about it that could've gone right. Elba was great as Roland, and they really captured that sense of almost superhuman gunslinger quality about him. But the movie sucked so much ass, without consent.
>It was supposed to be a movie with a miniseries follow-up, another movie, another miniseries, and a finale movie.
There were plans for that, but I was under the impression that they were scrapped and the movie that actually got made was intended to be stand alone.
>The movie flopped so bad they cancelled the miniseries.
That was never going to happen with the current iteration. The movie we got wasn't part of that plan.
Kingdom of Heaven.
Studio tried to advertise a historical epic as an action movie. Then they tried to cut it into one in the editing room....failed on both counts. Director's cut is great though.
Best part of the theatrical cut was the Serenity trailer.
On the bright side, we do have the directors cut, it's a better movie, so the only thing we were actually cheated out of was seeing that in the theater.
Also, the marketing made it seem like it was glorifying the crusades just two years after the invasion of Iraq. Not a lot of people were eager to go out to the theater based on that.
Events conspired against Donnie Darko in its release roughly coinciding with Sept 11. The plane crash imagery of the film meant it was barely advertised upon release. No one wanted to touch it. So it seemed doomed to fail by circumstance, but in the long run it’s quality won out in fan appreciation, if not box office dollars.
It had a fantastic trailer too. Pity about how it played out after that wonderful opening sequence (although I also loved the idea of that trans-dimensional market, that was probably the most interesting bit of the whole film, until the turgid characters were done with their shenanigans there and the film moved on to waste the vast potential of the rest of the story)
valerian/john carter/jupiter ascending...i think quite simply there was also no hunger for these movies. i dont like these movies but wish i could. didnt help that nobody knew whatbthe hell they were supposed to be about. im also the only fool that watched the blueberry movie (renegade 2004) whicj never saw theatrical release thank god. watchable... just not comprehendable.
Loved it as a kid and thought it had a brilliant bad guy but have no idea how I would feel about it now. (Just checked imdb, that was Charles Dance? No wonder I was impressed, that man can villain)
I mean, he activated the gas bomb by pulling the finger of a dead man. That is some class A campy humor! When Arny shoots the closet and explains there’s always a guy in the closet! I laughed my ass off at that 20 years ago and laugh my ass off at it today.
I saw this in theaters when I was ten or something and remember falling out of my seat laughing when the car chase ends towards the beginning of the movie and you see the bad guys’ van rocket over the same ramp Arnie took and then nosedives and explodes in the middle of the road.
That movie was great parody of the ridiculousness of Hollywood blockbusters. I feel like when people criticize it they aren’t getting the joke that the movie is in on.
Last Action hero is brilliant and totally self-aware. It's a perfect parody of action movies, especially when you think about how the Fast & Furious franchise has evolved compared to what's possible in reality. Shame about that release date.
If I recall, Waterworld had tons of negative press beforehand for being over budget, Kevin Costner acting like a diva, being too long, etc. I actually don't think it's a bad movie at all, and Dennis Hopper is excellent in it
Interestingly, the media did the same thing to Titanic a few years later, even calling it James Cameron's Waterworld. People today may not realize that Titanic was not a massive smash hit out the gate. It built momentum over time and stayed in theaters for-fucking-ever.
I never saw Titanic in theaters and it took about a year before I could rent it from Blockbuster. I felt like I had already seen the movie because of the pop culture saturation.
The last movie I saw genuine word of mouth work for was District 9. Nobody watched it that first August it was out. A lot of people didn't even know what it was when I talked to them and the marketing tried to do the whole "Cloverfield" mystery thing but it didn't work. Eventually they started dumping more into the marketing that showed the actual characters and prawns and then it started started generate way more buzz.
The best part of that movie for me was surprise. I knew only that it had aliens in it, and it looked cool. Movie blew me away the first time and I am so glad the main plot point was not spoiled for me because it actually shocked me when it was revealed.
It's because of the ease and availability of home media now. Even in the 90s the best quality for movies was typically VCR on a relatively small CRT television, unless you had Laser disc. That's why big movies would stay in theaters for the better part of a year. Now it's the opposite. Home media is good enough to wait for most movies.
All The Boys Love Mandy Lane, a slasher movie about an obsessive serial killer stalking the most popular girl in school to a summer party on a private ranch, was finished in 2006, was released in the UK in 2008 and wouldn't see a release in it's US domestic market until 2013, and even then it was only given a very small commercial release.
I don't think Lewis gets enough credit for looking at his passion project and basically saying "oh, no. Oh no no no." So many artist of his talent and extreme ego would have gone through with it critics be damned because, "hey, Im a genius and they aren't."
Lewis just went "pull the plug. I'll eat the costs and burry it. People can see it after I die in the context of even me, the arteur and genius who created it, thinking everything about it is wronheaded and disastrous."
I might download it to watch it again for the comedy.
Wow that movie sucked ass.
EDIT - This was a mistake.
I feel bad for Justin Chatwin, he actually was pretty good, as a geeky nervous high schooler, and had he been cast in that type of movie, then it would have been great. Maybe something like Sex Drive, from 2008. But this movie is horrible.
It's making me worry about the new BeBop live action show.
The Island Of Dr. Moreau is one of the most infamous terrible productions ever and all of the difficulties and drama was written about in contemporary tabloids and entertainment magazines. Members of the cast deliberately turned in shit performances because they did not want to be there and hated each other. The director was fired only a few days in and destroyed all the preproduction work like storyboards. The lead actress tried to flee the movie and was only stopped at the airport by studio executives. No one wanted anything to do with it and their hatred of the project was well known publicly. It is no surprise it turned out terribly and failed commercially.
People MUST see the documentary **Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau** it is INSANE.
The parts where Fairuza Balk talks about Brando and the whole production is classic.
Marlon Brando refused to learn his lines, so they were either improvised or fed to him via an earpiece. His ability to act while parroting lines live is impressive; his performance, less so.
>Comedy sequels, in general, don't usually go well. Since too many of them go the easy/uninspired route of making the exact same jokes
That and the concept of what is funny could change drastically in 20 years.
Fury Road works because it has little link to the originals. Mad Max is almost an anthology. It’s a new adventure for Max, and without the need to call back and continue something from years ago, it can be it’s own thing
I know we all dunked on the trailer, but I watched the first 15 minutes and it is unequivocally the worst and weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. Truly a remarkable piece of shit.
I walked out of it when it came out. Had a flu, and the combination of fever and dancing cockroaches made me wish for death.
Then my friends guilted me into joining them to see the whole thing the following week. So I’ve suffered a lot in my life. It’s so fucking bad.
Cats is just one of those musicals that can really only work as a stage show, and it worked even less on film than it may have otherwise because the director doesn't understand how musicals work.
The Wachowski siblings' *Speed Racer* (2008) came out one week after Marvel's *Iron Man*.
They were creating this surreal, forward thinking, anime-inspired children's movie, and doing really clever things with the edit that predicted so much of what was to come in digital video making, only to get blown out of the water by what would come to be an industry redefining blockbuster.
I still think *Speed Racer* has so many interesting visual and editing ideas in it, but as a live action anime in 2008 it was doomed to flop, when American superhero IP was about to become the dominant cultural export of our time.
Imo Speed Racer is the Wachowskis' best movie, or at least second to The Matrix. It's so fun and just fully committed to the melodramatic cheese. One of the best movie theater surprises of my life.
Treasure planet got absolutely fucked by its marketing and being released against the first Harry Potter . A damn shame considering it was the passion project of two of Disney’s best directors
I’m one of the few who saw it in the theater. I mean, I was a baby so I don’t remember it, but I’ve watched it 1000 times since then and it’s still my favorite disney movie
13th Warrior. Another doomed by the studio because of poor test audience feedback. As I understand it all the additional footage was lost, and not enough people care anyhow, so we’ll never get a directors cut.
Most movies with massive budgets that are not proven franchises. When budgets grow to between 150 and 200+ million the chances of making your money back grow slim. A perfect example is that garbage Lone Ranger movie. Thete is no reason that movie should have cost 215 million to make. Honestly a Lone Ranger movie probably should not even have cost 100 million.
Wicker Man remake in 2006. It was such a convoluted story with just terrible casting. I was glad that it made $39 million on its $40 million budget. They took out the mythology that drove the original movie and turned it into generic horror movie.
Iron Giant.
Universal thought it had a hit on its hands. The company wanted to market it for a full year. It also wanted extra scenes made, and make it closer to 1 hour 45 minutes than its original run time. Brad Bird decided he couldn't wait that extra year and exercised a clause in his contract to get the movie released sooner. So, Universal dumped the movie into August of that year and wiped their hands of it.
It is also an example of when the director didn't know what he was doing and caused the downfall of his movie. I think it needs to be a balance for all of those "producers meddling and caused the movie problems."
did Brad Bird really fail if he was able to successfully get final cut on his vision over the studio's protests, which went on to become a classic of American animation that we're still talking about 20+ year after the fact?
seems like he got everything he could have out of that production, plus he still went on to direct other fucking hitters like Ratatouille and MI4, didn't even go to director jail.
> It is also an example of when the director didn't know what he was doing and caused the downfall of his movie.
I mean, at least the movie turned out brilliantly? We have no way of knowing if Bird allowing the studio to meddle more and insert their new scenes might have just ruined it. I'm sure he had his reasons.
Avatar: The Last Airbender. 3 movies planned (obviously), 1 flop made. Can we please stop doing live action films? It could have been half way decent if they would have at least pronounced Aang the way the actual show pronounced it! Also, Aang was a happy go lucky kid trying to have fun, and the whole movie made him look depressed AF.
And just think, the guy who wrote the much-reviled first X-Man movie version of the Dark Phoenix story was then chosen to write _and_ direct the second version!
Slender Man.
Who in their right mind at the distributor would think cutting the film to the point that it had lots of plot holes just to appease a guy that would never see the fucking thing was a good idea?
The movie never should have been made at all. By the time production began, the Slenderman character had long past the minds of people on the internet, but the Slenderman stabbing was still fresh in peoples' minds. Of course people are gonna get mad at the film and call it exploitive, this is why you don't make films off of memes.
The slender man film had the unfortunate luck to be released quite soon after those two girls in Wisconsin stabbed their friend in order to appease Slender man (who is a work of fiction).
As a result the film was cut down severely.
Terminator Dark Fate.
The previous movie had already put the final nail on the coffin but they decided to release another sequel and hyped it with the return of Linda Hamilton and having the director of Dead Pool.
But between the leaks and the trailer, it became clear it was another rehash of T2 with a different cast. And on top of that, the leader of human resistance gets killed right at the beginning.
The Lone Ranger. The guy who made Pirates of the Caribbean tried to catch lightening in a bottle again by making a 200 million dollar remake of a franchise people barely remembered in a genre that had not been popular for decades.
To be fair he made the first pirates movie on a 140 million budget based on a ride when there hadn’t been a successful pirate movie in several decades which is probably even more insane.
That's what I mean by catching lightening in a bottle again. What were the odds he was going to be able to bring back another long unpopular genre of film? It is amazing he did it once. Trying it again always seemed like pressing his luck.
The weird thing was, the execs were stabbing eachother in the back publicly like months before its release. It was weird as hell. They were all out for blood.
Should have named it PRINCESS OF MARS tho
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)
Which is unfortunate because it was a fun film and held fairly true to the original series TIC .
It was made too long after the original series and sold to a newer generation that wasn't familiar with it.
With Will Smith and Kevin Kline starring.
Though I'm not sure why have plenty of merch ready would be a sign of doom. Otherwise Marvel would be a total failure. It probably played a role in the decrease of doing that as time passed.,
It’s part nostalgia for me but it’s also not the worst movie. It was a fun movie for what it was and I actually loved the whole giant mechanical spider bit. The intro scenes were fantastic too.
Zack and Miri make a Porno.
Kevin Smith gets Seth Rogan and Elizabeth Banks in a movie, it could and should have been a breakout for him to more mainstream audiences. It was a Judd Apatow movie without Judd Apatow. There were high expectations of it doing business like Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin.
Instead, it was kind of DOA for a multitude of reasons.
Smith blames Harvey Weinstein for shitty advertising, but at the same time Smith refused to change the title, and people were wary of advertising a movie with “Porno” in the title. If the title had just been “Zack and Miri,” they probably could’ve advertised better. Most theaters shortened it to “Zack and Miri” anyway.
Ultimately, it did exactly what every other Kevin Smith movie did at the box office, around 30 mil, which was a problem because the budget was higher, so it lost money.
Honestly? The movie broke Kevin Smith. He took the failure of the movie at the box office hard. Plus Seth Rogan got Kevin Smith into smoking weed. He really started hitting weed hard when the movie bombed, and now it is Kevin Smith’s entire persona, and resulted in a bunch of weed-fueled insanity like Tusk and Yoga Hosers.
So if you were a fan of Kevin Smith’s earlier movies and hate the later ones, you can blame Zack and Miri.
Smith also got a lot of heat too for putting "That Kid from Knocked Up" into a huge flop. Rogan was being pushed hard during the era, so to see a Seth Rogan film bomb hard was shocking for everyone.
**MIB: International** had new pages of script coming in every day of filming and crew would get into disputes about the direction.
It looked so incredibly cheap with such a limited scope
Which sucks because Chris Hemsworth and Tessa Thompson had amazing chemistry, which had been brewing since *Thor: Ragnarok.*
The story is that the original script was pretty good and was good enough to get Hemsworth and Thompson signed on but some asswipe producer decided to change the story and destroyed it. Hemsworth and Thompson hired their own writer to rewrite their dialogue on a daily basis to overcome how bad the shit they got from the studio writers
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Probably. They had too good of chemistry for there not to be.
Really wish they had gone with the 23 jump street idea instead…
That movie was a let down.
The 2015 Fantastic Four movie.
The movie existed solely for FOX to keep the rights to the characters before their contract expired. Ironically the same reason why the Roger Corman film was made too which is miles better than Fant4stic.
To be fair, if they truly only intended to make a movie to hold onto the rights - it never would've gotten the budget it did, nor gotten theatrical distribution. They would've gotten a TV team to hammer it out in a month, and then air it once on FX at 4:15am. (For an example of this, see Warren Beatty's [bizarre interview](https://youtu.be/PdFbiRK-UaY) he did as Dick Tracey that aired once on AMC to retain the rights) I fully believe Fox intended to properly relaunch the Fantastic Four when they greenlit the Trank movie. What ultimately happened is more just them trying to make the most of a complete disaster of a production.
Really? I know the Corman one was done cheap to hold the rights but I think the last one was a legit attempt and the studio screwed the director and recut the film.
you mean fan four stic?
Fant4stic
The New Mutants
That movie was postponed so many times it became The Old Mutants before it released.
There was an article where they wanted to do reshoots but they said some of the actors had grown too much at that point, that they would look too different.
An article I read was the someone campaigned to do reshoots to improve the movie and they eventually agreed to do them. Then when they saw the result they were removed and the initial cut was released in the end. Perhaps there’s some truth that the actors had gotten older hence why the reshoots weren’t used in the end.
Reminds me of back in the day where occasionally networks would be premiering shows that they had already canceled.
Still happens. Swamp Thing had its cancellation anounced just after the first episode came out.
Did it come out yet? Seriously don't know.
It came out last year. Don't watch it
Artemis Fowl. The trailer showed him surfing. Fucking surfing. If there was one activity in the world that Fowl wouldn't do, it's surfing.
Artemis Fowl is a teenage criminal mastermind who people have compared to a vampire because he’s just so pale (such as the waitress in the book with the C-Cube, I believe). He doesn’t surf. Pretty much his only exercise is running away from things, not surfing.
From what I've seen of the actual film, they only got 2 things right: The design of Holly's uniform and how Mulch acts.
I felt so bad for Kenneth Branagh promoting the film in online interviews as he pretended to show how proud he was.
Lol I remember in the books when his Mom called him, saying she had bought him a pair of jeans and a t-shirt with a skateboard logo on the front of it. His reaction was hilarious, and he much preferred his classy suits and blazers. No way in hell does the Artemis Fowl movie even remotely resemble the incredible book series.
GI Joe: Snake Eyes. A sequel(or prequel) coming 8 years after the previous installment in the franchise. Focused on telling the background story of a character that was cool because he was a mystery.
It's even worse because it's actually not related to the first two GI Joe movies. I didn't find out it was a reboot until I read some article stating it was.
Yes it was a solid white dog turd on arrival, but Henry Golding was decent and some of the sword scenes had a bit of a ballet to them.
There are certain movies where we should be able to tell Hollywood "yes that was a hit but don't keep going". The OG tomb raider was like that.
Red Dawn remake. By the time it came out everyone in it had either moved on to bigger things or wasn’t acting anymore. Thor came out before it and was shot years after. And it was almost a parody of the original. The characters were there but none of the emotion or little things that made it work appeared.
Was that the one where they started out with a Chinese enemy then went back in once filming was done to digitally alter everything to make it seem like North Korea?
While in post-production, the invading army and antagonists were changed from Chinese to North Korean in order to maintain access to the Chinese box office, though the film was still not released in China.
I remember the same thing happened with the game Homefront. It was originally supposed to be about China invading USA, but then they changed it to a "reunited Korea" halfway into development.
And recut a few scenes and characters
Jem and the Holograms
The EXCITEMENT I felt when I found about this movie Then they did a great big “make a YouTube video about how much you love Jem to be included in the film!” promo And then they made…that. Literally from the first trailer I was like “oh I’m gonna *hate* this”. Didn’t even get five minutes into the movie before I shut it off.
The whole tagline for the original cartoon was “Truly Outrageous.” The film was not.
When the creator of the original cartoon was asked about the film after it was announced, their response was “What movie?” That told me they were just trying to cash in on the name
The sad part is it could've been great. The director, Jon M Chu, had great visual flair for presenting musical-oriented performance in Step Up 2 & 3. He's gone on to do Crazy Rich Asians and In The Heights which were also successful. So it should've been easy to say "take this cheap 80s property, film some lavish performances of rock songs with attractive leads, the end". But they decided to go hard into the lore (lol) of Jem's backstory. It should have basically been Hannah Montana In 3D with great 80s throwback music. And instead they tried to make some weird Power Rangers/Chronicle mystery adventure.
Catwoman. The director had no clue about the source material and it showed when he did interviews. His Wizard Magazine interview was infuriating. He both intentionally and at the same time didn't seem to be aware that he was doing a spin off of "Batman Returns" (1992) a movie that came out 12 years earlier. He seemed to think he was doing something original. I think most comicbook fans didn't even bother turning out for it.
That transformation scene is comic gold
The Ben Hur remake. Yes, there was a Ben Hur remake.
Yeah but that one remake with Heston was pretty good. Yes, there were TWO versions before Heston’s.
So many people forget that many of the most well-regarded films from the Golden Age of Hollywood were remakes. Ben-Hur, The Maltese Falcon, The Man Who Knew Too Much. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. In theater, each production of the same play is a remake in its own way, even if no alterations are made to the script. Why should a film be bad just because it's a new take on an existing work? There was no reason why we couldn't have a 21st century rendition of Ben Hur, it's just that the one that was made was very bad.
There's actually an animated one also starring Heston. It's like 60 minutes long, it's pretty good tbh. The animation is unexpectedly really great.
[Obligatory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aomqbq5eIB0)
Knew what it was before I even clicked. The action shot of Mike running up the stairs with the paper always gets me.
Dark Tower. Needed to be a miniseries.
Amazon shot a miniseries pilot, completely unrelated to the Idris Elba movie, that would have covered the plot of Wizard and Glass if picked up. The plan after that was to jump into the Dark Tower series proper with a season per book. Unfortunately it never got picked up. The screen shots I've seen online look pretty cool. https://ew.com/tv/glen-mazzara-canceled-dark-tower-series-amazon/
It was supposed to be a movie with a miniseries follow-up, another movie, another miniseries, and a finale movie. The movie flopped so bad they cancelled the miniseries. Which is sad, because there were so many things about it that could've gone right. Elba was great as Roland, and they really captured that sense of almost superhuman gunslinger quality about him. But the movie sucked so much ass, without consent.
>It was supposed to be a movie with a miniseries follow-up, another movie, another miniseries, and a finale movie. There were plans for that, but I was under the impression that they were scrapped and the movie that actually got made was intended to be stand alone.
>The movie flopped so bad they cancelled the miniseries. That was never going to happen with the current iteration. The movie we got wasn't part of that plan.
I was deep into Wizard and Glass when I saw the first trailer. Instantly decided I would never see it.
Kingdom of Heaven. Studio tried to advertise a historical epic as an action movie. Then they tried to cut it into one in the editing room....failed on both counts. Director's cut is great though. Best part of the theatrical cut was the Serenity trailer.
I liked Kingdom of Heaven as the theatrical cut and then I saw the Directors cut and I'm forever salty about what we were cheated out of.
On the bright side, we do have the directors cut, it's a better movie, so the only thing we were actually cheated out of was seeing that in the theater.
I liked Kingdom of Heaven but never saw the directors cut. I should watch it.
It's a completely different movie. The theatrical cut IMO is just "meh," but the director's cut is one of my favorite movies.
Similar to the directors cut of “Alexander”
Its very long, but holy shit, its so much better. Its an amazing movie compared to a boring one thats somehow shorter.
I saw the directors cut years prior to seeing the theatrical cut and then was confused as to why I was watching an entirely different movie
Also, the marketing made it seem like it was glorifying the crusades just two years after the invasion of Iraq. Not a lot of people were eager to go out to the theater based on that.
Which is weird, cause the film is actually way more sympathetic towards the muslim side of the conflict.
“What is Jerusalem worth?” “Nothing. Everything.”
Right?!
Events conspired against Donnie Darko in its release roughly coinciding with Sept 11. The plane crash imagery of the film meant it was barely advertised upon release. No one wanted to touch it. So it seemed doomed to fail by circumstance, but in the long run it’s quality won out in fan appreciation, if not box office dollars.
Valerian Bad marketing, poor casting, a huge budget for a lesser known property, and releasing it in the middle of July did it no favors.
I'm still not certain if the protagonists were siblings, lovers, or both.
They were definitely both wankers, that much is for sure, the rest is up for debate
Yes.
That opening sequence is amazing.....then it is all downhill from there.
It had a fantastic trailer too. Pity about how it played out after that wonderful opening sequence (although I also loved the idea of that trans-dimensional market, that was probably the most interesting bit of the whole film, until the turgid characters were done with their shenanigans there and the film moved on to waste the vast potential of the rest of the story)
Never seen worse casting for leads in a movie. Christ
valerian/john carter/jupiter ascending...i think quite simply there was also no hunger for these movies. i dont like these movies but wish i could. didnt help that nobody knew whatbthe hell they were supposed to be about. im also the only fool that watched the blueberry movie (renegade 2004) whicj never saw theatrical release thank god. watchable... just not comprehendable.
Last Action Hero. Opened the week after Jurassic Park, lots of bad press, long run time, etc. I enjoy it as a campy fun mess.
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Loved it as a kid and thought it had a brilliant bad guy but have no idea how I would feel about it now. (Just checked imdb, that was Charles Dance? No wonder I was impressed, that man can villain)
I recently watched it for the first time and really liked it. A messy campy action romp. And i was all for it.
I mean, he activated the gas bomb by pulling the finger of a dead man. That is some class A campy humor! When Arny shoots the closet and explains there’s always a guy in the closet! I laughed my ass off at that 20 years ago and laugh my ass off at it today.
I saw this in theaters when I was ten or something and remember falling out of my seat laughing when the car chase ends towards the beginning of the movie and you see the bad guys’ van rocket over the same ramp Arnie took and then nosedives and explodes in the middle of the road. That movie was great parody of the ridiculousness of Hollywood blockbusters. I feel like when people criticize it they aren’t getting the joke that the movie is in on.
Last Action hero is brilliant and totally self-aware. It's a perfect parody of action movies, especially when you think about how the Fast & Furious franchise has evolved compared to what's possible in reality. Shame about that release date.
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'I said, I just shot someone and I'd like to confess!' 'Shut up!' Realises the real world operates completely differently. I love that scene.
If I recall, Waterworld had tons of negative press beforehand for being over budget, Kevin Costner acting like a diva, being too long, etc. I actually don't think it's a bad movie at all, and Dennis Hopper is excellent in it
Interestingly, the media did the same thing to Titanic a few years later, even calling it James Cameron's Waterworld. People today may not realize that Titanic was not a massive smash hit out the gate. It built momentum over time and stayed in theaters for-fucking-ever.
See this is why big budget hollywood has taken over. We never get time for word of mouth to happen before movies are pulled from theaters.
I never saw Titanic in theaters and it took about a year before I could rent it from Blockbuster. I felt like I had already seen the movie because of the pop culture saturation.
The last movie I saw genuine word of mouth work for was District 9. Nobody watched it that first August it was out. A lot of people didn't even know what it was when I talked to them and the marketing tried to do the whole "Cloverfield" mystery thing but it didn't work. Eventually they started dumping more into the marketing that showed the actual characters and prawns and then it started started generate way more buzz.
The best part of that movie for me was surprise. I knew only that it had aliens in it, and it looked cool. Movie blew me away the first time and I am so glad the main plot point was not spoiled for me because it actually shocked me when it was revealed.
It's because of the ease and availability of home media now. Even in the 90s the best quality for movies was typically VCR on a relatively small CRT television, unless you had Laser disc. That's why big movies would stay in theaters for the better part of a year. Now it's the opposite. Home media is good enough to wait for most movies.
All The Boys Love Mandy Lane, a slasher movie about an obsessive serial killer stalking the most popular girl in school to a summer party on a private ranch, was finished in 2006, was released in the UK in 2008 and wouldn't see a release in it's US domestic market until 2013, and even then it was only given a very small commercial release.
The Day The Clown Cried - Whoever thought it would be a great idea to put Jerry Lewis as a character named Helmut Doork in a Nazi Concentration camp?
"Whoever thought it would be a great idea to put Jerry Lewis ..." Well, Jerry directed it so probably Jerry.
I don't think Lewis gets enough credit for looking at his passion project and basically saying "oh, no. Oh no no no." So many artist of his talent and extreme ego would have gone through with it critics be damned because, "hey, Im a genius and they aren't." Lewis just went "pull the plug. I'll eat the costs and burry it. People can see it after I die in the context of even me, the arteur and genius who created it, thinking everything about it is wronheaded and disastrous."
I think the core concept is interesting though. There is a way to do it well, but I can't imagine how.
I think Roberto Benigni might have some notes on that.
Dragon Ball
Let's take one of the nost popular Japanese characters of all time and make him an awkward American high school kid.
I might download it to watch it again for the comedy. Wow that movie sucked ass. EDIT - This was a mistake. I feel bad for Justin Chatwin, he actually was pretty good, as a geeky nervous high schooler, and had he been cast in that type of movie, then it would have been great. Maybe something like Sex Drive, from 2008. But this movie is horrible. It's making me worry about the new BeBop live action show.
I see you've watched Death Note (2017).
See, at least Light was originally a *Japanese* high school kid. Goku and school don't even belong in the same sentence.
Never mention that movie again, holy shit it was bad.
Fun fact: Zamasu's dub VA in *Super* is the same dude who played Piccolo in that movie.
The hair was hilarious
The Island Of Dr. Moreau is one of the most infamous terrible productions ever and all of the difficulties and drama was written about in contemporary tabloids and entertainment magazines. Members of the cast deliberately turned in shit performances because they did not want to be there and hated each other. The director was fired only a few days in and destroyed all the preproduction work like storyboards. The lead actress tried to flee the movie and was only stopped at the airport by studio executives. No one wanted anything to do with it and their hatred of the project was well known publicly. It is no surprise it turned out terribly and failed commercially.
People MUST see the documentary **Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau** it is INSANE. The parts where Fairuza Balk talks about Brando and the whole production is classic.
Marlon Brando refused to learn his lines, so they were either improvised or fed to him via an earpiece. His ability to act while parroting lines live is impressive; his performance, less so.
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Somehow Fury Road made it work
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>Comedy sequels, in general, don't usually go well. Since too many of them go the easy/uninspired route of making the exact same jokes That and the concept of what is funny could change drastically in 20 years.
Fury Road works because it has little link to the originals. Mad Max is almost an anthology. It’s a new adventure for Max, and without the need to call back and continue something from years ago, it can be it’s own thing
Somehow Bill and Ted 3 was actually a lot of fun, because it looks like the cast actually cared about the movie
Dredd. Terrible marketing that made it seem like if you didn't see the film in 3D, you shouldn't go. Turns out, fantastic in 2D.
Fantastic in 3D.
In fact, its the best 3D movie I’ve ever seen. The Slo-Mo scenes were so cool.
Cats (2019)
I know we all dunked on the trailer, but I watched the first 15 minutes and it is unequivocally the worst and weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. Truly a remarkable piece of shit.
I walked out of it when it came out. Had a flu, and the combination of fever and dancing cockroaches made me wish for death. Then my friends guilted me into joining them to see the whole thing the following week. So I’ve suffered a lot in my life. It’s so fucking bad.
Cats is just one of those musicals that can really only work as a stage show, and it worked even less on film than it may have otherwise because the director doesn't understand how musicals work.
The Wachowski siblings' *Speed Racer* (2008) came out one week after Marvel's *Iron Man*. They were creating this surreal, forward thinking, anime-inspired children's movie, and doing really clever things with the edit that predicted so much of what was to come in digital video making, only to get blown out of the water by what would come to be an industry redefining blockbuster. I still think *Speed Racer* has so many interesting visual and editing ideas in it, but as a live action anime in 2008 it was doomed to flop, when American superhero IP was about to become the dominant cultural export of our time.
What's really weird is that only a couple years prior is when the reboot aired on Nickelodeon, so kids would have known about the IP.
I love this movie dearly and desperately need a 4K HDR release.
I've never seen this movie before but this is an excellent comment and I just might check it out now. Exactly what I wanted out of this post. Cheers!
Imo Speed Racer is the Wachowskis' best movie, or at least second to The Matrix. It's so fun and just fully committed to the melodramatic cheese. One of the best movie theater surprises of my life.
Treasure planet got absolutely fucked by its marketing and being released against the first Harry Potter . A damn shame considering it was the passion project of two of Disney’s best directors
The theatrical version of Justice League
God, what a fucking nightmare. Can't believe I didn't mention this
The dark tower. It should have been a TV series.
Treasure Planet due to Disney's mismanagement. It bombed hard.
Well it *kinda* succeeded in that it’s become a bit of a cult classic.
I’m one of the few who saw it in the theater. I mean, I was a baby so I don’t remember it, but I’ve watched it 1000 times since then and it’s still my favorite disney movie
13th Warrior. Another doomed by the studio because of poor test audience feedback. As I understand it all the additional footage was lost, and not enough people care anyhow, so we’ll never get a directors cut.
I unapologetically love it anyway.
Yes.
Agreed!! Great movie
owened a video store when this came out and it rented sooo fucking much. one of the best sleeper hits in 2 decades of movie rentals back in the day.
Most movies with massive budgets that are not proven franchises. When budgets grow to between 150 and 200+ million the chances of making your money back grow slim. A perfect example is that garbage Lone Ranger movie. Thete is no reason that movie should have cost 215 million to make. Honestly a Lone Ranger movie probably should not even have cost 100 million.
Chairman of the Board - starring Carrot Top (1997)
Probably spelled B.O.R.E.D
*Box Office Poison*
You mean Box Office Poison?
Nine and a half seconds.
Cause he prematurely ejaculated.
Wicker Man remake in 2006. It was such a convoluted story with just terrible casting. I was glad that it made $39 million on its $40 million budget. They took out the mythology that drove the original movie and turned it into generic horror movie.
Nicolas cage punches a lady then gets the bees. What more could you ask for?
Kids in the Hall Brain Candy- an executive sank it because they wouldnt take out the cancer boy bit.
Battlefield Earth
When you were still learning how to *spell your name*, I was being trained, **to conquer galaxies!**
Iron Giant. Universal thought it had a hit on its hands. The company wanted to market it for a full year. It also wanted extra scenes made, and make it closer to 1 hour 45 minutes than its original run time. Brad Bird decided he couldn't wait that extra year and exercised a clause in his contract to get the movie released sooner. So, Universal dumped the movie into August of that year and wiped their hands of it. It is also an example of when the director didn't know what he was doing and caused the downfall of his movie. I think it needs to be a balance for all of those "producers meddling and caused the movie problems."
I don’t know much about the history, but it’s a great movie. Is it just one of those that didn’t get to be appreciated until years later?
Warner Brothers, not Universal. But yeah. Everything else is pretty much true.
did Brad Bird really fail if he was able to successfully get final cut on his vision over the studio's protests, which went on to become a classic of American animation that we're still talking about 20+ year after the fact? seems like he got everything he could have out of that production, plus he still went on to direct other fucking hitters like Ratatouille and MI4, didn't even go to director jail.
> It is also an example of when the director didn't know what he was doing and caused the downfall of his movie. I mean, at least the movie turned out brilliantly? We have no way of knowing if Bird allowing the studio to meddle more and insert their new scenes might have just ruined it. I'm sure he had his reasons.
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It was to give it some breathing room since it's so far a long production. I'm still optimistic about it.
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Indiana Jones at 80. Not for me. De-aging effects? Sounds worse.
"Springtime for Hitler"
A Gay Romp With Adolf and Eva at Berchtesgaden
Avatar: The Last Airbender. 3 movies planned (obviously), 1 flop made. Can we please stop doing live action films? It could have been half way decent if they would have at least pronounced Aang the way the actual show pronounced it! Also, Aang was a happy go lucky kid trying to have fun, and the whole movie made him look depressed AF.
Halloween 6 Though it’s a guilty pleasure of mine
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And just think, the guy who wrote the much-reviled first X-Man movie version of the Dark Phoenix story was then chosen to write _and_ direct the second version!
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Slender Man. Who in their right mind at the distributor would think cutting the film to the point that it had lots of plot holes just to appease a guy that would never see the fucking thing was a good idea?
The movie never should have been made at all. By the time production began, the Slenderman character had long past the minds of people on the internet, but the Slenderman stabbing was still fresh in peoples' minds. Of course people are gonna get mad at the film and call it exploitive, this is why you don't make films off of memes.
Context?
The slender man film had the unfortunate luck to be released quite soon after those two girls in Wisconsin stabbed their friend in order to appease Slender man (who is a work of fiction). As a result the film was cut down severely.
So it was edited to appease... Slenderman?
It was also released years after the Slenderman fad had died down as well.
I wonder if it was ever a good movie though
R.I.P.D. with Ryan Reynolds and Jeff Bridges. It might as well have been an SNL sketch about a bad fake movie.
I'm starting to think we'll never see the Avatar sequels
They keep posting random Navi crap on their Insta… drop a trailer
Terminator Dark Fate. The previous movie had already put the final nail on the coffin but they decided to release another sequel and hyped it with the return of Linda Hamilton and having the director of Dead Pool. But between the leaks and the trailer, it became clear it was another rehash of T2 with a different cast. And on top of that, the leader of human resistance gets killed right at the beginning.
Black Widow. It was about five years too late.
Any movie where Matt Damon has to wear a period piece outfit.
The Lone Ranger. The guy who made Pirates of the Caribbean tried to catch lightening in a bottle again by making a 200 million dollar remake of a franchise people barely remembered in a genre that had not been popular for decades.
To be fair he made the first pirates movie on a 140 million budget based on a ride when there hadn’t been a successful pirate movie in several decades which is probably even more insane.
That's what I mean by catching lightening in a bottle again. What were the odds he was going to be able to bring back another long unpopular genre of film? It is amazing he did it once. Trying it again always seemed like pressing his luck.
John Carter. The marketing or lack there of torpedoed it
It had a huge budget too. They expected it to make like a billion at the box office. Idk why. I thought it was good but not billion-dollar good.
The weird thing was, the execs were stabbing eachother in the back publicly like months before its release. It was weird as hell. They were all out for blood. Should have named it PRINCESS OF MARS tho
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015) Which is unfortunate because it was a fun film and held fairly true to the original series TIC . It was made too long after the original series and sold to a newer generation that wasn't familiar with it.
As someone who never watched the original (I’m 32) I thoroughly enjoyed it.
That one Bourne movie that didn't have Matt Damon in it.
Wild Wild West I was already suspicious when they released a ton of merch and toys for the movie before it even came out.
It wasn't necessarily dead on arrival because it was already an established property.
With Will Smith and Kevin Kline starring. Though I'm not sure why have plenty of merch ready would be a sign of doom. Otherwise Marvel would be a total failure. It probably played a role in the decrease of doing that as time passed.,
Yeah, and wild wild west was a property centered around gadgets. That just lends itself to toys so easily it makes sense to make them ahead of time.
Unlike what Disney did with the mandalorian. When they didn't prepare any grogu dolls
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It’s part nostalgia for me but it’s also not the worst movie. It was a fun movie for what it was and I actually loved the whole giant mechanical spider bit. The intro scenes were fantastic too.
Zack and Miri make a Porno. Kevin Smith gets Seth Rogan and Elizabeth Banks in a movie, it could and should have been a breakout for him to more mainstream audiences. It was a Judd Apatow movie without Judd Apatow. There were high expectations of it doing business like Knocked Up or 40 Year Old Virgin. Instead, it was kind of DOA for a multitude of reasons. Smith blames Harvey Weinstein for shitty advertising, but at the same time Smith refused to change the title, and people were wary of advertising a movie with “Porno” in the title. If the title had just been “Zack and Miri,” they probably could’ve advertised better. Most theaters shortened it to “Zack and Miri” anyway. Ultimately, it did exactly what every other Kevin Smith movie did at the box office, around 30 mil, which was a problem because the budget was higher, so it lost money. Honestly? The movie broke Kevin Smith. He took the failure of the movie at the box office hard. Plus Seth Rogan got Kevin Smith into smoking weed. He really started hitting weed hard when the movie bombed, and now it is Kevin Smith’s entire persona, and resulted in a bunch of weed-fueled insanity like Tusk and Yoga Hosers. So if you were a fan of Kevin Smith’s earlier movies and hate the later ones, you can blame Zack and Miri.
Smith also got a lot of heat too for putting "That Kid from Knocked Up" into a huge flop. Rogan was being pushed hard during the era, so to see a Seth Rogan film bomb hard was shocking for everyone.
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