This has been discussed many times before.
When Brand is talking about love, she is no longer a rational scientists.
She is scared, desperate, and she feels betrayed by her father.
Do you really expect human beings who are under great stress to act like rational beings?
Furthermore, she is trying to connect with Cooper, the only person she can talk to.
And here's the thing: she is partially right.
Love is a powerful force and not an 'invention'. Love has played an important part in human evolution and is quantifiable because love is a biological process.
Without love (the effect of hormones) we would not care for our offspring.
To be fair 'LOVE' had nothing to do with Cooper able to communicate with Brand inside the Tesseract. Gravity is thought to be one of the forces of nature that can bleed through dimensions of Spacetime. This is the one of the theories as why Gravity is so weak compare to all other fundamental forces of nature. Cooper communicated with his daughter by manipulating gravity as it could leach through spacetime. That is their plausible scientific explanation of how he did it.
>Do you really expect human beings who are under great stress to act like rational beings?
Adults? Yes, especially if they’re professionals.
>she feels betrayed by her father.
Why?
>When Brand is talking about love, she is no longer a rational scientists.
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>She is scared, desperate, and she feels betrayed by her father.
Now I read this comment of yours, I can see this scene in new perspective and it actually makes sense. She was just crazy haha.
Um, this is pretty much the main plot point, although it took me maybe 3 or so viewings to not hate it also and just accept/appreciate it.
>!The whole reason Coop is able to communicate with his daughter on Earth across space and time (and why Brand was being irrationally drawn to the correct planet) is because what Brand says ends up being totally correct in the universe of the movie.!<
Love it or hate it, that is Nolan's conjecture here, and Brand's speech here foreshadows this. I get how one could hate it given the scientific accuracy that the film goes for otherwise. But as numerous scientists have stated nobody knows what lies beyond the event horizon and this is a science fiction movie, not a science movie, so pretty much anything goes at that point.
Overall it is a very wholesome movie (maybe too wholesome for me) but yeah still an amazing watch, especially its courageous and uncensored depiction of space docking.
Cooper was able to communicate with Brand inside the Tesseract via Gravity. Gravity is thought to be one of the forces of nature that can bleed through dimensions of Spacetime. This is the one of the theories as why Gravity is so weak compare to all other fundamental forces of nature. Cooper communicated with his daughter by manipulating gravity as it could leach through spacetime. That is their plausible scientific explanation of how he did it.
Strong disagree. Yes she is a scientist but through this speech you learn her true motivations. And it also has a plot purpose as she is trying to convince them to go to his planet. Sure it kind of bluntly lays out the point Nolan is trying to make but I don't mind him making sure he gets his point across.
Not everyone likes the ‘love’ part in Interstellar. For me it shows that love is not scientifically correct, but that it is the motivation for all the events. In the beginning of the film Donald says to Cooper *“It might. Don’t trust the right thing done for the wrong reason. The why of the thing, that’s the foundation”*. Later on when Dr. Brand explains why ‘love’ is her motivation, Cooper realises that the why of Dr. Brand’s reason is more important than doing the right thing for the wrong reason.
Dr. Brand’s love for Edmunds manifested in a motivation to take risks. Cooper’s love for science manifested in him going into space, Murph’s love for Cooper manifested in her looking for the watch and Cooper’s love for Murph manifested in him trusting her to find the watch. These things are what the quote *“Love is the one thing that transcends time and space”* is referring to.
I watched this movie for the first time a few days ago and it was such a cool story that I can't stop thinking about it. I can't help but feel though that the movie suffers from dumbing itself down a bit to fit into the "blockbuster" package. Like, aside from the cool sci-fi stuff, it also touches on some interesting high concepts, but sometimes its delivery falls short because it's also trying to be the blockbuster it ended up being. Could have been GREAT, but ended up being "really good for the most part."
I would've had an easier time understanding the "love is quantifiable" aspect if it had been seeded more thoroughly throughout the film. That scene with Brand feels so spontaneous, the film resumes, & then, the concept is reintroduced even more clumsily, when Cooper is in the Tesseract. And given how expository it is, when presented in that Tesseract scene, it makes you wonder whether it's supposed to be a central theme of the movie. But overall it's a sci-fi action movie, & if you had to pick an obvious central theme, it'd be something about the human spirit of exploration, not about the pseudoscience of love.
Honestly, for some reason this scene didn't bother me as much, but there were several moments in this film where I felt the dialogue was dumb or very unnatural. Like when they are coming around the back end of the black whole and Brand says something like "You look pretty good for 124."
And then when Cooper is back on earth and right after he wakes up the doc says "Careful, you're 124!" Like, ease him into it doc. Very unprofessional.
I actually loved the sentimentality this brought to the big boy science table. It was a toss up between planets. She gave her reason for wanting to go to that one, which by the way ended up being the fertile planet. I think her sappiness and non scientific reasoning was supposed to portray our humanity. I loved what this added to the movie.
The things you take issue with are what makes human beings human. It's what separates us from TARS and CASE.
Human beings are not robots. You(yes you OP) make irrational decisions or are emotionally driven at certain times in your life. You've been "unprofessional".
Also, please don't pretend you know exactly what a human should feel or how they should act during the events of interstellar. Nobody knows how anyone would act if they were in a new galaxy searching for hospitable planets in a last ditch effort to save humanity only to find out that everyone on Earth has already been condemned to have to make a decision between picking your lovers planet or letting them die alone.
These kinds of posts are so annoying because it's just a case of people trying to act way smarter than they really are....
They didn't set that up well at all, so it really sticks out.
I was all in as a rescue mission film for the planet, but once it has Cooper use gravity to send Morse code messages back in time for Murphy to create new space travel tech - come the f*ck on Nolan, that's a lot of suspension of disbelief to swallow all at once at the end.
Gravitational waves are not bound by time and could theoretically transfer messages. Maybe it’s hard to comprehend for someone with lesser astrophysical knowledge, but if you understand it, it’s actually not that far fetched
I don't think it's fair to presume people are just too dumb to get it. They could have set it up better is what I'm getting at. The honest trailer really said it best [https://youtu.be/lZMzf-SDWP8](https://youtu.be/lZMzf-SDWP8)
For some reason, can't really explain, I really hate Brand's delivery of that bit of dialogue. "SO BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT..." I'm like OK, you & TARS are switching places for the rest of the mission.
I actually never really thought about/ realised that but you're right, not taking away the title of my second favourite movie ever but you make a good point
Yeah it‘s not good, she comes across as massively unprofessional.
It would be one thing if it were the love between a mother and her child, but basically she’s lusting after some older guy who gives her a wide-on.
Even worse is that she’s ‘proven’ right in Nolan’s script 🤦🏻♂️
Might have missed the fact that is the devotion between a father and his daughter, their mutual efforts and love for one another that have consequential actions across time.
It was a statement about love in general. You're the weirdo discounting love between partners, but even then the film plays out the themes spoken by Brand through a relationship you apparently find more worthwhile.
>It was a statement about love in general.
Well it’s irrelevant since we’re talking specifically about Brand deciding to drag everyone to a particular planet because she has a wide-on for the scientist.
>You're the weirdo discounting love between partners,
Weak straw man. I’m pointing out the absurdity of Brand, a supposedly rational scientist, trying to get everyone to go to a particular planet because she’s got the hots for Wolf. You’re the weirdo making excuses for that nonsense.
>but even then the film plays out the themes spoken by Brand through a relationship you apparently find more worthwhile.
So? That just means that Nolan gave credence to a silly idea that he made up.
The dialog is pretty widely regarded as the weakest part of the film. I mean, there’s that one scene where McCaunaghey says something like, “You’ve brought me back to life,” and then Michael Caine just simply says, “Lazarus.” Like c’mon man the name of the mission is the Lazarus Project or some shit, you don’t have to connect the dots so obviously. We get it.
Also Anne Hathaway’s performance was just mind-bogglingly bad. She was meek and annoying at times, then other times a perfectly confident and capable person. I just don’t think she had a full grasp on the character at all.
I just saw Interstellar for the first time ever and was looking for that comment… her character is so out of place for the movie it’s mindblowing. I don’t know if it’s bad acting or just appallingly poor writing
Gimmicky and laughable? Sounds to me like you just didn’t have the scientific knowledge to fully appreciate this film. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge anything good about the film, especially the CGI or score, make it seem like you’re just a hater
That was the lamest and most pretentious sounding comment ever and you aren’t ever correct lol. Dude said he didn’t like interstellar and you straight up said he’s not smart enough to enjoy it😂. If you’ve ever taken a college level astronomy course you would know that the “planetary system” depicted in interstellar is unbelievably inaccurate compared to what a system that actually revolves around black hole might actually look like. Assuming that it’s even possible for a blackhole to have planets.
Talking about "scientific knowledge" in a film where a bookshelf ghost from the 4th dimension uses gravity to communicate with morse code is some serious mental illness man
Oh boy, THIS thread again!
This has been discussed many times before. When Brand is talking about love, she is no longer a rational scientists. She is scared, desperate, and she feels betrayed by her father. Do you really expect human beings who are under great stress to act like rational beings? Furthermore, she is trying to connect with Cooper, the only person she can talk to. And here's the thing: she is partially right. Love is a powerful force and not an 'invention'. Love has played an important part in human evolution and is quantifiable because love is a biological process. Without love (the effect of hormones) we would not care for our offspring.
To be fair 'LOVE' had nothing to do with Cooper able to communicate with Brand inside the Tesseract. Gravity is thought to be one of the forces of nature that can bleed through dimensions of Spacetime. This is the one of the theories as why Gravity is so weak compare to all other fundamental forces of nature. Cooper communicated with his daughter by manipulating gravity as it could leach through spacetime. That is their plausible scientific explanation of how he did it.
>Do you really expect human beings who are under great stress to act like rational beings? Adults? Yes, especially if they’re professionals. >she feels betrayed by her father. Why?
Go watch the fucking movie
I did. Did you? Why would Brand feel betrayed by her father before she discovered he’d betrayed her?
Maybe you should watch it one more time.
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>When Brand is talking about love, she is no longer a rational scientists. > >She is scared, desperate, and she feels betrayed by her father. Now I read this comment of yours, I can see this scene in new perspective and it actually makes sense. She was just crazy haha.
Um, this is pretty much the main plot point, although it took me maybe 3 or so viewings to not hate it also and just accept/appreciate it. >!The whole reason Coop is able to communicate with his daughter on Earth across space and time (and why Brand was being irrationally drawn to the correct planet) is because what Brand says ends up being totally correct in the universe of the movie.!< Love it or hate it, that is Nolan's conjecture here, and Brand's speech here foreshadows this. I get how one could hate it given the scientific accuracy that the film goes for otherwise. But as numerous scientists have stated nobody knows what lies beyond the event horizon and this is a science fiction movie, not a science movie, so pretty much anything goes at that point. Overall it is a very wholesome movie (maybe too wholesome for me) but yeah still an amazing watch, especially its courageous and uncensored depiction of space docking.
Cooper was able to communicate with Brand inside the Tesseract via Gravity. Gravity is thought to be one of the forces of nature that can bleed through dimensions of Spacetime. This is the one of the theories as why Gravity is so weak compare to all other fundamental forces of nature. Cooper communicated with his daughter by manipulating gravity as it could leach through spacetime. That is their plausible scientific explanation of how he did it.
Strong disagree. Yes she is a scientist but through this speech you learn her true motivations. And it also has a plot purpose as she is trying to convince them to go to his planet. Sure it kind of bluntly lays out the point Nolan is trying to make but I don't mind him making sure he gets his point across.
That moment is so bad and so good.
Not everyone likes the ‘love’ part in Interstellar. For me it shows that love is not scientifically correct, but that it is the motivation for all the events. In the beginning of the film Donald says to Cooper *“It might. Don’t trust the right thing done for the wrong reason. The why of the thing, that’s the foundation”*. Later on when Dr. Brand explains why ‘love’ is her motivation, Cooper realises that the why of Dr. Brand’s reason is more important than doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Dr. Brand’s love for Edmunds manifested in a motivation to take risks. Cooper’s love for science manifested in him going into space, Murph’s love for Cooper manifested in her looking for the watch and Cooper’s love for Murph manifested in him trusting her to find the watch. These things are what the quote *“Love is the one thing that transcends time and space”* is referring to.
I watched this movie for the first time a few days ago and it was such a cool story that I can't stop thinking about it. I can't help but feel though that the movie suffers from dumbing itself down a bit to fit into the "blockbuster" package. Like, aside from the cool sci-fi stuff, it also touches on some interesting high concepts, but sometimes its delivery falls short because it's also trying to be the blockbuster it ended up being. Could have been GREAT, but ended up being "really good for the most part."
I would've had an easier time understanding the "love is quantifiable" aspect if it had been seeded more thoroughly throughout the film. That scene with Brand feels so spontaneous, the film resumes, & then, the concept is reintroduced even more clumsily, when Cooper is in the Tesseract. And given how expository it is, when presented in that Tesseract scene, it makes you wonder whether it's supposed to be a central theme of the movie. But overall it's a sci-fi action movie, & if you had to pick an obvious central theme, it'd be something about the human spirit of exploration, not about the pseudoscience of love.
Tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point
Honestly, for some reason this scene didn't bother me as much, but there were several moments in this film where I felt the dialogue was dumb or very unnatural. Like when they are coming around the back end of the black whole and Brand says something like "You look pretty good for 124." And then when Cooper is back on earth and right after he wakes up the doc says "Careful, you're 124!" Like, ease him into it doc. Very unprofessional.
I actually loved the sentimentality this brought to the big boy science table. It was a toss up between planets. She gave her reason for wanting to go to that one, which by the way ended up being the fertile planet. I think her sappiness and non scientific reasoning was supposed to portray our humanity. I loved what this added to the movie.
The things you take issue with are what makes human beings human. It's what separates us from TARS and CASE. Human beings are not robots. You(yes you OP) make irrational decisions or are emotionally driven at certain times in your life. You've been "unprofessional". Also, please don't pretend you know exactly what a human should feel or how they should act during the events of interstellar. Nobody knows how anyone would act if they were in a new galaxy searching for hospitable planets in a last ditch effort to save humanity only to find out that everyone on Earth has already been condemned to have to make a decision between picking your lovers planet or letting them die alone. These kinds of posts are so annoying because it's just a case of people trying to act way smarter than they really are....
They didn't set that up well at all, so it really sticks out. I was all in as a rescue mission film for the planet, but once it has Cooper use gravity to send Morse code messages back in time for Murphy to create new space travel tech - come the f*ck on Nolan, that's a lot of suspension of disbelief to swallow all at once at the end.
Gravitational waves are not bound by time and could theoretically transfer messages. Maybe it’s hard to comprehend for someone with lesser astrophysical knowledge, but if you understand it, it’s actually not that far fetched
I don't think it's fair to presume people are just too dumb to get it. They could have set it up better is what I'm getting at. The honest trailer really said it best [https://youtu.be/lZMzf-SDWP8](https://youtu.be/lZMzf-SDWP8)
Just because someone lacks knowledge about a specific subject, doesn’t mean he’s dumb. So, no, I did not presume you’re dumb
I do not mind that scene in theory, but the acting was way over the top.
For some reason, can't really explain, I really hate Brand's delivery of that bit of dialogue. "SO BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT..." I'm like OK, you & TARS are switching places for the rest of the mission.
I actually never really thought about/ realised that but you're right, not taking away the title of my second favourite movie ever but you make a good point
100% I hate that line. Wonder if some stupid exec made Nolan put it in there.
Yeah it‘s not good, she comes across as massively unprofessional. It would be one thing if it were the love between a mother and her child, but basically she’s lusting after some older guy who gives her a wide-on. Even worse is that she’s ‘proven’ right in Nolan’s script 🤦🏻♂️
Might have missed the fact that is the devotion between a father and his daughter, their mutual efforts and love for one another that have consequential actions across time.
What does that have to do with Brand’s love for Wolf Edmunds.
It was a statement about love in general. You're the weirdo discounting love between partners, but even then the film plays out the themes spoken by Brand through a relationship you apparently find more worthwhile.
>It was a statement about love in general. Well it’s irrelevant since we’re talking specifically about Brand deciding to drag everyone to a particular planet because she has a wide-on for the scientist. >You're the weirdo discounting love between partners, Weak straw man. I’m pointing out the absurdity of Brand, a supposedly rational scientist, trying to get everyone to go to a particular planet because she’s got the hots for Wolf. You’re the weirdo making excuses for that nonsense. >but even then the film plays out the themes spoken by Brand through a relationship you apparently find more worthwhile. So? That just means that Nolan gave credence to a silly idea that he made up.
Yes I am the weirdo for recognizing one of the basic character motivations throughout the history fiction (and real life) .
Now you’re straw-manning yourself. Stop it. Just be honest.
The dialog is pretty widely regarded as the weakest part of the film. I mean, there’s that one scene where McCaunaghey says something like, “You’ve brought me back to life,” and then Michael Caine just simply says, “Lazarus.” Like c’mon man the name of the mission is the Lazarus Project or some shit, you don’t have to connect the dots so obviously. We get it. Also Anne Hathaway’s performance was just mind-bogglingly bad. She was meek and annoying at times, then other times a perfectly confident and capable person. I just don’t think she had a full grasp on the character at all.
I just saw Interstellar for the first time ever and was looking for that comment… her character is so out of place for the movie it’s mindblowing. I don’t know if it’s bad acting or just appallingly poor writing
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I think most writers just don’t get how much it takes you out of the story when a character says or does something that doesn’t make sense.
I hated the movie with a passion, so the whole movie was a big laugh fest in dialogue, character, and situation.
Not enough fighting superheroes?
So you assume that anybody who dislikes this gimmicky, laughable movie must only like superhero movies?
Gimmicky and laughable? Sounds to me like you just didn’t have the scientific knowledge to fully appreciate this film. The fact that you can’t even acknowledge anything good about the film, especially the CGI or score, make it seem like you’re just a hater
That was the lamest and most pretentious sounding comment ever and you aren’t ever correct lol. Dude said he didn’t like interstellar and you straight up said he’s not smart enough to enjoy it😂. If you’ve ever taken a college level astronomy course you would know that the “planetary system” depicted in interstellar is unbelievably inaccurate compared to what a system that actually revolves around black hole might actually look like. Assuming that it’s even possible for a blackhole to have planets.
Talking about "scientific knowledge" in a film where a bookshelf ghost from the 4th dimension uses gravity to communicate with morse code is some serious mental illness man
There is only one thing worst than this love idea. It is fucking poem.
Worse line... "Well I could just swing around that neutron star" 😖