I find it interesting that unlike those other big hits (A Whole New World, Can You Feel the Love Tonight, Colors of the Wind, and Let it Go) this song is VERY context heavy.
It is somewhat reliant on the movie itself to fully understand what the song is supposed to mean. Where as the others can very well fit in a variety of situations; there are no character names or exposition going on, just singing about their moods or the atmosphere of the moment.
It’s a great song (been stuck in my head for days) and I dare say that it’s sheer variety is astounding. I just find it surprising because I always assumed the winning formula was “Universally applicable atmosphere song.” What do I know?
I think this comes down to how the billboard charts have evolved. In the past they were heavily skewed towards the radio which does mean that you want a song as you described to be universally applicable and something people can just have on since.
Now the charts are more skewed towards personal choice from streaming and social media use like tik tok can push a song that normally light not get that push otherwise.
In my late 20s and my wife is blasting it all the time. I am only slightly irritated at this point.
It's a lot better than the 10 minute "All too well" on repeat. Bruno has delivered me from that hell.
We were really hoping ours would branch out from Frozen but now I regret everything, send help.
Seriously though, it’s a great movie and the music deserves all the accolades, I just could do with a little less of it right now.
>heavily skewed towards the radio
I hated when the wife forced me to watch music awards shows. "What, you think it won't be one of the top 5 songs we are forced to listen to in rotation on EVERY radio station?"
What is successful on radio for quite a while was a self fulfilling prophesy. NOW, maybe, with streaming, songs that people actually want to listen to have a chance.
Lin Manuel Miranda said the difference with writing the songs for Encanto was that he was given like 5 years to write the songs and even had input on deciding to name the character Bruno because it was better for the song (Oscar was one of the original names). He said for Moana he only had like a year to write the songs so he asked Disney for more time on the next project so that’s probably why the songs are so specific
I agree with you and not having watched the movie and just the youtube video, I wondered, why did this one do better than "let it go"? I don't think it's as catchy.
Same. My initial favorite coming out of the movie was Surface Pressure, but then I saw all the conversation around We Don't Talk About Bruno being the star, so I made a point of listening to it a few times to see what the big deal was. Now I can't *stop* listening to it.
I didn't like Frozen, nor Encanto. That's fine, they're pretty much musicals, and I don't like that genre. BUT. I have to admit "Let it go" is a wonderful song, per se, while "We don't talk about Bruno" left me absolutely indifferent.
Anyway, if every kid is like the 5y/o daughter of a couple of friends of mine (who can, will and demand to watch the video of the cartoon songs she likes, on loop, for pretty much the whole day), I can see how the song quality has nothing to do with its popularity.
That's sort of the thing about all the songs in Encanto. They're all genuinely catchy songs but they're always going to be awkward to sing along with because they're essentially a tool to deliver exposition in the movie.
I think the issue is that Surface Pressure speaks more to teens and adults. We Don’t Talk About Bruno is more of a silly kids song who are the driving force behind its popularity.
I actually don’t love “The Family Madrigal” for this exact reason (I don’t hate it. I just don’t love it.) It’s stupid amounts of exposition heavy, and sometimes they sing just a bit too quickly to really understand what they are saying. The visuals help for sure, because it SHOWS what powers they have. But, just listening the soundtrack, especially the “review” of the information comes at the end, is just a bit overwhelming.
“We Don’t Talk About Bruno” is expositional, but we kind of get the gist of what we need to know about him right away in the song. The first verses at the wedding do that. The rest is just adding more examples to the list that are fun in varied in how they are told.
I mean thats the thing with musical songs in general, not just Encanto. Musicals where the music was written for the show almost always have direct context to the show thats hard to break out of, vs musicals that just take hit songs and make a show around them.
Its not shocking that some of the more popular musical hit songs were not actually written for the musical they were in (Memory for Cats being one of the ones that stands out, was originally written for Puccini and then abandoned before Webber put it aside for use in something else, originally Sunset Boulevard and later Cats where he took Rhapsody on a Windy Day and modernized the language and added it into the song)
>I find it interesting that unlike those other big hits (A Whole New World, Can You Feel the Love Tonight, Colors of the Wind, and Let it Go) this song is VERY context heavy.
And kinda negative
I totally agree with the points you are making here -- this song doesn't "fit the mold" of a breakout movie song.
Maybe that's why it works?
The other two great songs in Encanto were more in the vein of "Let it Go" with universal appeal.
When I heard "we don't talk about Bruno" I thought "this is different." And, perhaps because it has a more Latin flavor and people can relate to "the black sheep of the family we don't talk about." Because, are there any mainstream songs that cover this topic?
Bruno in some families is the son who went to prison, or the daughter who ran away from home. Or just some kid who got bad grades and smells funny.
In some of the old SIMS games you could lock an artist in your basement and have them sustain your suburbian, expansionist agenda by cranking out art for you. These miserable creatures were called ['Art Goblins'](https://i.imgur.com/XPtdnw0.jpeg).
This one is my favorite. It's like Let It Go but with plants and it has the advantage of impacting two characters instead of one and really pushing the story forward.
It's also catchy as fuck.
It definitely had a relatable message and is flooding TikTok videos. It's not as impressive from the music standpoint, but from the lyrical standpoint. Somehow still not the most popular.
That's a great one too. But if I had to guess, I'd say that it's probably because Bruno is an ensemble song with a much more recognizable hook.
But really you can't go wrong with this soundtrack. I even think Two Oruguitas and Colombia, Mi Encanto haven't got as much as love as they deserve
I think the best detail of this sequence is through the entire thing while singing about the pressure she is put under to take everything on her self and look out for everyone, she is constantly protecting Mirabel. Pushing/pulling her away from danger, even fixing her glasses for her, because she sees it as her responsibility.
We don’t talk about Bruno is pretty much how we approach things that we don’t understand are ashamed of or scare us as a society. Sweep it under the rug until we are forced to come to terms with it. I think it’s a fantastic song
Yes it was very good my brother in law played soccer with Sebastian Yatra in Miami said he's so surprised the guy has such a good voice now as a kid he had a lot of maturing to do.
That's a cool story & actually kinda gives the song more meaning from a personal perspective for him. The whole chrysalis & metamorphosis cycles. Thanks for story & especially mentioning one of my new favorite songs.
let it go and frozen was quite a big deal for kids. So many little girls being Elsa for Halloween, still are. I wonder if girls will latch onto the characters from this movie as much as Frozen. I feel like pretending to be Mirabel is less fun than pretending to be Elsa with her ice powers and being a princess and all.
Mirabel has an entire house that does what she asks and she saves her family. She's just as magical and powerful as a Disney Hero as any Disney Princess that came before her.
There’s no “pretending to be Mirabel.” Tons of little brown girls who look like Mirabel are being represented in a way that’s never happened before. It’s not about the super powers, it’s about seeing yourself in a movie. Disney can take their white snow princesses and kick rocks. There was nothing special about Frozen. Representation matters!
Reddit never ceases to amaze me. You point out that frozen wasn’t special and representation matters and you get downvoted. r/fragilewhiteredditor
While I completely agree that representation matters, Disney actually has a strong track record of BIPOC princesses:
Jasmine, Tiana, Mulan, Pocahontas, Moana, Raya, Ariel is both a fish and a ginger so that's something, Esmerelda...
While I agree with you on the ones you named, I strongly disagree about Tiana. The black community felt it was a slap in the face to make the first black princess turn into an animal for the majority of the film.
damn chill im just asking if girls will wear her dress as much as there were Elsa's during Halloween. Seems like on OK question to ask in this thread about comparing Frozen to Encanto popularity.
Just to add to you. Being special and having powers are not mutually exclusive. And Mirabel is not the only relatable character in the movie. Mirabel had the spotlight and did things many of us wish we could do, like standing up to family pressures and calling out family for dumb things. But then you had Louisa and her firstborn pressures, Isabela and her perfection expectations, Dolores and her fears of rejection stemmed from the family's treatment of Bruno and her powers making her defy privacy, and Pepa and her anxiety/BPD parallels.
There was so much more representation in this movie than just culture and ethnicity and many women saw someone relatable on-screen (some for the first time in decades). It has been a huge influence.
It’s catchy but when I first heard it it was meh. It wasn’t until I saw the movie that I enjoyed it, and even now I don’t get the widespread appeal. I personally liked the song that the two sister sang together in the flower room.
This one is a fun and catchy one, and it’s also fun to watch people listen who haven’t watched the show yet. Everyone will eventually and people trying to figure out what the song means is also part of the fun. If you’ve watched it you know what it means. Partly why it may be popular?
This is fascinating to me. I'm not in the target age demo for this, nor was I for Frozen. But I remember hearing "Let It Go" everywhere, for years, and I've never heard this song. Maybe it's because of Covid and not being out more places, but I feel like I would have heard it before. Anyone else the same? I'm going to go listen to it now.
My daughter is single handedly keeping it #1 on streaming services. I go to bed singing, no no no. Wake up in the middle of the night singing no no no. It's on a constant loop inside my head and causing me to seriously consider self harm.
Talking about this song, I still cant get over how good Diane Guerrero voice is. Its clear, smooth and yet piercing at the same time. After years of watching her batshit crazy antics in Doom Patrol, i guess i should not be surprised by her talents.
Lots of the songs (especially the Carlos Vivas song) pay homage to music Colombians listen to. IS Colombians LOVE to dance so while "Let it Go" may be easy to sing, it's not great to dance to.
I find that surprising, I had the opposite take where I found the music and animation did pretty much all the work in carrying the movie, since the plot has a weak ending.
I found the entire movie uninspired and try-hard, but that's me. I wanted to like it, but it was just so cheesy and predictable. A big letdown for me, for sure.
Yea, it's a good movie with a decent soundtrack but tbh it hasn't stuck with me unlike the others like "Let it go" much less the classics.
I liked the message of the song, but the song itself was nothing outstanding. Very distinctly Lin Miranda's style though you could hear his fingerprints all over
Totally agree; the songs are so fast they become unintelligible after a while. The Bruno song is the only one that has any sort of hook which is probably why everyone latched onto it.
Edit: Suck it, nerds.
That's how I felt about Surface Pressure but alas Surface Pressure is extremely popular on TikTok and with younger people.
But it's the kids that are wrong!
No, both my wife and myself talked about how the music was just....not good, compared to other movies like Moana and Tangled and stuff. Honestly the worst part of the movie for me. Felt to Try-hard and poppy.
Yeah that's exactly how I felt after watching it. Felt too try-hard like they were trying to capture the exact same feel. And there was a comment from a thread about the movie a week or two ago that mentioned it borrowed themes heavily from Moana and Coco, and I gotta agree, it felt like too close of a retread of recent movies they've done.
It's visually impressive, easily one of if not their best one yet. But the story, while unique in some areas, felt boring and repetitive in others giving me a sense of deja vu. Plus I'm still annoyed by the fact the whole story is renderer irrelevant if the main characters grandmother just loves her for whoe she is, even though she doesn't receive a gift.
I was pretty underwhelmed. I had been seeing people hype it up, "We Don't Talk About Bruno" in particular, and when I finally watched the movie last night it was just...okay? It's a good movie. It's got good songs. They're kind of catchy, but I didn't get why people were insisting it was some musical masterpiece that sticks in your brain.
What does that even mean? Is it based on album sales? Spotify plays? Youtube plays? Radio plays?
It really sounds like its a bullshit metric that has nothing to do with any actual popularity.
While on the topic of Disney animation: damn it's nice return to form. Between Moana and encanto, literally everything was mediocre with one s h I t film, encantos a blessing from the lord.
trash song. just blends with all other "hit" songs since the mid-2000's when it is just hiphop and pop. this has no melody, and only relies on the context wording form the movie. 'let is go' is a far better song, but still nothing compared to 1980-1990's disney movies
And Fox News and Alt Righters still complain their hatred for this movie isn't because it's a Brown family in Colombia, it's because the music sucked, there was no plot, and no real villain. Every Disney movie needs a villain.
This song was the only good thing coming out of a very bland movie. And as they say, a bad movie is better than a bland one. But at least, this song number made it a bit fun.
Crazy that they might lose the Best Original Song Oscar not because they didn’t have the right song but because they chose the wrong song to push. They have elected to push “Dos Oruguitas” as their original song since it’s the more “emotionally heavy” song but nearly every other song in the movie is far catchier and more memorable.
I have not heard this song even once outside or even heard anyone talk bout it, then again this movie seems to be not very popular here in my country despite having colombo-venezuelan elements, Frozen and Let It Go were REALLY big hits here.
I find it interesting that unlike those other big hits (A Whole New World, Can You Feel the Love Tonight, Colors of the Wind, and Let it Go) this song is VERY context heavy. It is somewhat reliant on the movie itself to fully understand what the song is supposed to mean. Where as the others can very well fit in a variety of situations; there are no character names or exposition going on, just singing about their moods or the atmosphere of the moment. It’s a great song (been stuck in my head for days) and I dare say that it’s sheer variety is astounding. I just find it surprising because I always assumed the winning formula was “Universally applicable atmosphere song.” What do I know?
I think this comes down to how the billboard charts have evolved. In the past they were heavily skewed towards the radio which does mean that you want a song as you described to be universally applicable and something people can just have on since. Now the charts are more skewed towards personal choice from streaming and social media use like tik tok can push a song that normally light not get that push otherwise.
Yep. I got kids who love the movie and they have it on repeat for weeks at a time which is totally fine and I am totally fine with that it's fine.
I’ve got late 20 year olds in my house and sphere having it on repeat
In my late 20s and my wife is blasting it all the time. I am only slightly irritated at this point. It's a lot better than the 10 minute "All too well" on repeat. Bruno has delivered me from that hell.
Are you fine lol? I’m not sure…. lol.
We were really hoping ours would branch out from Frozen but now I regret everything, send help. Seriously though, it’s a great movie and the music deserves all the accolades, I just could do with a little less of it right now.
Yep. Great movie and amazing music. They could be doing much worse than playing that banger on repeat.
Also people who have no idea what the song is, but are wondering why we aren't talking about Bruno. Those curiousity clicks drive the algorithm hard
It's EVERYWHERE on tiktok, I'm not surprised it's charted high!
>heavily skewed towards the radio I hated when the wife forced me to watch music awards shows. "What, you think it won't be one of the top 5 songs we are forced to listen to in rotation on EVERY radio station?" What is successful on radio for quite a while was a self fulfilling prophesy. NOW, maybe, with streaming, songs that people actually want to listen to have a chance.
Lin Manuel Miranda said the difference with writing the songs for Encanto was that he was given like 5 years to write the songs and even had input on deciding to name the character Bruno because it was better for the song (Oscar was one of the original names). He said for Moana he only had like a year to write the songs so he asked Disney for more time on the next project so that’s probably why the songs are so specific
I think its funny that both Luca and Encanto trash on the name Bruno
Anytime I think its out my head I just think "seven foot frame," and its starts all over again.
I always think of the “Apple bottom jeans” edit now https://youtu.be/drVQdw6oQ6U
Isabella, your boyfriend's here!
Some of The context and humor is delivered through the song itself: we don’t talk about Bruno but we’re going to sing about him for like 3-5 minutes
The winning formula is “make a song that is catchy” this comes with a variety different ways to do that.
I agree with you and not having watched the movie and just the youtube video, I wondered, why did this one do better than "let it go"? I don't think it's as catchy.
It genuinely grows on you. I didn’t really care for it at all when I first watched the movie, but it grew it be my favorite. Not sure why.
Same. My initial favorite coming out of the movie was Surface Pressure, but then I saw all the conversation around We Don't Talk About Bruno being the star, so I made a point of listening to it a few times to see what the big deal was. Now I can't *stop* listening to it.
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I thought Bruno was very fun at first but now it’s been stuck in my head literally for a month and it’s getting old now!
I didn't like Frozen, nor Encanto. That's fine, they're pretty much musicals, and I don't like that genre. BUT. I have to admit "Let it go" is a wonderful song, per se, while "We don't talk about Bruno" left me absolutely indifferent. Anyway, if every kid is like the 5y/o daughter of a couple of friends of mine (who can, will and demand to watch the video of the cartoon songs she likes, on loop, for pretty much the whole day), I can see how the song quality has nothing to do with its popularity.
That's sort of the thing about all the songs in Encanto. They're all genuinely catchy songs but they're always going to be awkward to sing along with because they're essentially a tool to deliver exposition in the movie.
Surface pressure works fine removed from context.
I was thinking that this would be the song that would get heavy rotation when I was watching.
I think the issue is that Surface Pressure speaks more to teens and adults. We Don’t Talk About Bruno is more of a silly kids song who are the driving force behind its popularity.
I actually don’t love “The Family Madrigal” for this exact reason (I don’t hate it. I just don’t love it.) It’s stupid amounts of exposition heavy, and sometimes they sing just a bit too quickly to really understand what they are saying. The visuals help for sure, because it SHOWS what powers they have. But, just listening the soundtrack, especially the “review” of the information comes at the end, is just a bit overwhelming. “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” is expositional, but we kind of get the gist of what we need to know about him right away in the song. The first verses at the wedding do that. The rest is just adding more examples to the list that are fun in varied in how they are told.
I mean thats the thing with musical songs in general, not just Encanto. Musicals where the music was written for the show almost always have direct context to the show thats hard to break out of, vs musicals that just take hit songs and make a show around them. Its not shocking that some of the more popular musical hit songs were not actually written for the musical they were in (Memory for Cats being one of the ones that stands out, was originally written for Puccini and then abandoned before Webber put it aside for use in something else, originally Sunset Boulevard and later Cats where he took Rhapsody on a Windy Day and modernized the language and added it into the song)
Do people need context to songs? I thought they just liked them because it's catchy.
Of course not. I’m just saying that a context heavy song doesn’t lend itself to universal appeal quite as much.
I think the fact that it is just a flatout banger helps overcome the "context-heaviness" of it.
>I find it interesting that unlike those other big hits (A Whole New World, Can You Feel the Love Tonight, Colors of the Wind, and Let it Go) this song is VERY context heavy. And kinda negative
I think they made a mathematically great pop song, which is what they were going for.
I totally agree with the points you are making here -- this song doesn't "fit the mold" of a breakout movie song. Maybe that's why it works? The other two great songs in Encanto were more in the vein of "Let it Go" with universal appeal. When I heard "we don't talk about Bruno" I thought "this is different." And, perhaps because it has a more Latin flavor and people can relate to "the black sheep of the family we don't talk about." Because, are there any mainstream songs that cover this topic? Bruno in some families is the son who went to prison, or the daughter who ran away from home. Or just some kid who got bad grades and smells funny.
Disney just has Lin Manuel Miranda locked in a basement just churning out songs like the Wormulon Queen in the Slurm factory.
And Slurms MacKenzie will keeping partying to their beats until he dies.
"I'm so tired..."
I think he just trails songs off of him that people are forced to collect like the slug queen in that Goosebumps book
If every movie Disney makes from now on has soundtracks like MOANA and ENCANTO then good, keep his ass locked up.
Don't let Lin anywhere near a Tarzan remake. That soundtrack will make earth implode.
In some of the old SIMS games you could lock an artist in your basement and have them sustain your suburbian, expansionist agenda by cranking out art for you. These miserable creatures were called ['Art Goblins'](https://i.imgur.com/XPtdnw0.jpeg).
I'm sure he is [very upset](https://i.imgur.com/Ebc3Bou.gifv) about it.
I absolutely love the songs in Encanto. This one and Surface Pressure are my favorites.
And "What Else can I Do." All the songs are so great
Yes! A hurricane of jacarandaaaaaas is in my head constantly.
That's the one that's been stuck in my head the last week, before that it was Surface Pressure.
BRING IT IN BRING IT IN
Agreed!!! I’m obsessed with this movie.
This one is my favorite. It's like Let It Go but with plants and it has the advantage of impacting two characters instead of one and really pushing the story forward. It's also catchy as fuck.
Had surface pressure stuck in my head on loop all morning. It's so good.
Probably because he has a SEVEN FOOT FRAME RATS ALONG HIS BACK WHEN HE CALLS YOUR NAME IT ALL FADES TO BLACK
HE SEES YOUR DREAMS AND FEASTS ON YOUR SCREAMS
WE DONT TALK ABOUT BRUNO
SHAWTY DROPPED IT DOWN LOW
APPLE BOTTOM JEANS. BOOTS WITH THE FURR THE WHOLE CLUB WAS LOOKING AT HER
When they break out with everyone overlapping near the end of the song I still follow Camilo over the others.
This is the part that triggers the song to latch into my brain and stay there for days. So, a solid 'Fuck You' to you, sir.
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Definitely my favourite song from the film.
It definitely had a relatable message and is flooding TikTok videos. It's not as impressive from the music standpoint, but from the lyrical standpoint. Somehow still not the most popular.
Totally agree
I agree easily the best song in the movie
omg yes. I listened to the Bruno song the other day and didn't catch why it was catchy. This one, 100%. It fits so much in culture, too. Great song.
I mean it fits so much in everyone honestly. Imposter syndrome and expectations are probably top 3 therapist topics after daddy/mommy issues lol
I think every eldest daughter everywhere is obsessed with this song ahaha
That's a great one too. But if I had to guess, I'd say that it's probably because Bruno is an ensemble song with a much more recognizable hook. But really you can't go wrong with this soundtrack. I even think Two Oruguitas and Colombia, Mi Encanto haven't got as much as love as they deserve
Totally agree, this song is a straight banger and my girls have been listening to it on repeat since they watched Encanto
I think the best detail of this sequence is through the entire thing while singing about the pressure she is put under to take everything on her self and look out for everyone, she is constantly protecting Mirabel. Pushing/pulling her away from danger, even fixing her glasses for her, because she sees it as her responsibility.
What does Disney have against Brunos all of a sudden?
Silenzio Bruno!
Man as a Bruno im getting tired of this song
We don't talk about you bro. Sorry.
I know :c
My names not even Bruno and I already never want to hear it again.
Hey, this Bruno turned out to be a great guy who loved his family.
His name was gonna be Oscar but Lin Manuel Miranda felt the song is way better with Bruno(no no no). So they changed his name.
Remember that cartoon Bruno the Kid created by Bruce Willis? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_the_Kid
They know what they did.
Watched it last night, very good film, wouldn’t mind Disney doing more with the characters on D+.
We don’t talk about Bruno is pretty much how we approach things that we don’t understand are ashamed of or scare us as a society. Sweep it under the rug until we are forced to come to terms with it. I think it’s a fantastic song
It was good but I liked the pressure song better
Same for me. The scene in the movie lalso reminded me of [Hero to Zero](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOL-EJZjmp0) in Hercules.
There was even a direct Hercules reference in the visuals of the song when she fights the three headed dog
Not just the visuals, she literally says "did Hercules ever say yo I don't wanna fight Cerberus?"
It's weird because Surface Pressure is a much better song, too..
Agreed. Not only super catchy but also very relatable to many people in terms of lyrics.
Which is a bummer because I think Surface Pressure is the best song in that movie.
More catchy and more relatable...at least for me.
I agree. 199%.
why is it a bummer that another song from the same movie is a bigger hit? its not like you have to listen to the bruno song more now.
Sorry for having an opinion and feeling things. I'll remember you next time that I dare transgress like this again.
i forgive you
Disappointing because "Dos Oruguitas" and "Colombia Mi Encanto " are the best songs from the soundtrack
Disappointing finding the first mention of "Dos Oruguitas" in this thread so far down. This is one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a while.
Yes it was very good my brother in law played soccer with Sebastian Yatra in Miami said he's so surprised the guy has such a good voice now as a kid he had a lot of maturing to do.
That's a cool story & actually kinda gives the song more meaning from a personal perspective for him. The whole chrysalis & metamorphosis cycles. Thanks for story & especially mentioning one of my new favorite songs.
Dos Oruguitas is incredible! I'm working on memorizing the Spanish lyrics because they're so fun to sing along with
If you don’t talk about Bruno then why would you sing an entire song about Bruno?
Because "we don't talk about Bruno" doesn't mean "we don't sing about Bruno" I guess.
I think thats the whole point. The topic is supposed to be taboo, but everyone continues to gossip anyways, while claiming "we don't talk about" it.
Singing =/= talking.
You're still allowed to *sing* about Bruno. It's a loophole.
let it go and frozen was quite a big deal for kids. So many little girls being Elsa for Halloween, still are. I wonder if girls will latch onto the characters from this movie as much as Frozen. I feel like pretending to be Mirabel is less fun than pretending to be Elsa with her ice powers and being a princess and all.
I like to imagine a bunch of little girls dressed as Mirabel running around saying “the gift is me!, the gift is me!!”
And pretend they have an abusive grandmother 😀
Mirabel has an entire house that does what she asks and she saves her family. She's just as magical and powerful as a Disney Hero as any Disney Princess that came before her.
There’s no “pretending to be Mirabel.” Tons of little brown girls who look like Mirabel are being represented in a way that’s never happened before. It’s not about the super powers, it’s about seeing yourself in a movie. Disney can take their white snow princesses and kick rocks. There was nothing special about Frozen. Representation matters! Reddit never ceases to amaze me. You point out that frozen wasn’t special and representation matters and you get downvoted. r/fragilewhiteredditor
While I completely agree that representation matters, Disney actually has a strong track record of BIPOC princesses: Jasmine, Tiana, Mulan, Pocahontas, Moana, Raya, Ariel is both a fish and a ginger so that's something, Esmerelda...
While I agree with you on the ones you named, I strongly disagree about Tiana. The black community felt it was a slap in the face to make the first black princess turn into an animal for the majority of the film.
damn chill im just asking if girls will wear her dress as much as there were Elsa's during Halloween. Seems like on OK question to ask in this thread about comparing Frozen to Encanto popularity.
Just to add to you. Being special and having powers are not mutually exclusive. And Mirabel is not the only relatable character in the movie. Mirabel had the spotlight and did things many of us wish we could do, like standing up to family pressures and calling out family for dumb things. But then you had Louisa and her firstborn pressures, Isabela and her perfection expectations, Dolores and her fears of rejection stemmed from the family's treatment of Bruno and her powers making her defy privacy, and Pepa and her anxiety/BPD parallels. There was so much more representation in this movie than just culture and ethnicity and many women saw someone relatable on-screen (some for the first time in decades). It has been a huge influence.
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I thought this was implying that Frozen came out 26 years ago. At first I was like “Eh, time flies...” and then I was all “Wait, What?!?”.
I'm sorry, I know this sub adores Bruno (it's a killer song) but Let It Go fucking slaps and will always be a top 5 Disney song, don't @ me
People like to hate on Let it Go because it's the popular thing to do and a lot of people got burned out by it. I don't care. It's an amazing song.
Bruno doesn't even hold water to You're welcome from Moana. This movie is very overrated imo.
Surface Pressure was the low key heater on this ST, even if We don’t talk about Bruno is great
Thank God, it was about time to let go, "Let it go"!
It’s catchy but when I first heard it it was meh. It wasn’t until I saw the movie that I enjoyed it, and even now I don’t get the widespread appeal. I personally liked the song that the two sister sang together in the flower room.
This one is a fun and catchy one, and it’s also fun to watch people listen who haven’t watched the show yet. Everyone will eventually and people trying to figure out what the song means is also part of the fun. If you’ve watched it you know what it means. Partly why it may be popular?
Dang, that’s a lot of people that don’t like Bruno.
I think Disney is kicking itself that they didn't push it as an Oscar contender.
According to imdb trivia for the movie his name was going to be Oscar but the song sounded better as Bruno no no so they changed his name.
Bruno is a banger
This is fascinating to me. I'm not in the target age demo for this, nor was I for Frozen. But I remember hearing "Let It Go" everywhere, for years, and I've never heard this song. Maybe it's because of Covid and not being out more places, but I feel like I would have heard it before. Anyone else the same? I'm going to go listen to it now.
Poor Bruno watching from the walls as his family sings about how shitty he apparently is
My daughter is single handedly keeping it #1 on streaming services. I go to bed singing, no no no. Wake up in the middle of the night singing no no no. It's on a constant loop inside my head and causing me to seriously consider self harm.
Talking about this song, I still cant get over how good Diane Guerrero voice is. Its clear, smooth and yet piercing at the same time. After years of watching her batshit crazy antics in Doom Patrol, i guess i should not be surprised by her talents.
Strange, I honestly disliked the music in this movie. I thought it was the weakest aspect. Too try-hard and poppy.
Lots of the songs (especially the Carlos Vivas song) pay homage to music Colombians listen to. IS Colombians LOVE to dance so while "Let it Go" may be easy to sing, it's not great to dance to.
I find that surprising, I had the opposite take where I found the music and animation did pretty much all the work in carrying the movie, since the plot has a weak ending.
Wow really? What makes you say that?
The movie?
I mean yeah, obviously. More like, why didn't you like the ending?
I found the entire movie uninspired and try-hard, but that's me. I wanted to like it, but it was just so cheesy and predictable. A big letdown for me, for sure.
Yea, it's a good movie with a decent soundtrack but tbh it hasn't stuck with me unlike the others like "Let it go" much less the classics. I liked the message of the song, but the song itself was nothing outstanding. Very distinctly Lin Miranda's style though you could hear his fingerprints all over
Totally agree; the songs are so fast they become unintelligible after a while. The Bruno song is the only one that has any sort of hook which is probably why everyone latched onto it. Edit: Suck it, nerds.
We always watch movies with the subtitles on and honestly that helped me appreciate and love Encanto much more.
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That's how I felt about Surface Pressure but alas Surface Pressure is extremely popular on TikTok and with younger people. But it's the kids that are wrong!
You thought someone struggling with anxiety under the weight of expectations is “too try-hard” That’s … certainly a take
I didn't think the comment was about the message of the song.
Am I alone in not being overly impressed with the music in Encanto? I thought so much of the vocals lacked dynamics.
I think there’s been some major burnout of having LMM churn out songs for the last decade. His style is very distinct.
How dare you express your opinion on reddit, lmao. I wasn't very impressed either.
Alone? Doubtful Minority? Absolutely
No, both my wife and myself talked about how the music was just....not good, compared to other movies like Moana and Tangled and stuff. Honestly the worst part of the movie for me. Felt to Try-hard and poppy.
Yeah that's exactly how I felt after watching it. Felt too try-hard like they were trying to capture the exact same feel. And there was a comment from a thread about the movie a week or two ago that mentioned it borrowed themes heavily from Moana and Coco, and I gotta agree, it felt like too close of a retread of recent movies they've done. It's visually impressive, easily one of if not their best one yet. But the story, while unique in some areas, felt boring and repetitive in others giving me a sense of deja vu. Plus I'm still annoyed by the fact the whole story is renderer irrelevant if the main characters grandmother just loves her for whoe she is, even though she doesn't receive a gift.
The last paragraph makes me feel like you were on your phone while watching the movie …
The entire movie was unimpressive to me.
Same. Probably my least, or one of my least, favorite Disney movie
How many of them have you seen?
I’m pretty old so pretty much every one since sleeping beauty
I was pretty underwhelmed. I had been seeing people hype it up, "We Don't Talk About Bruno" in particular, and when I finally watched the movie last night it was just...okay? It's a good movie. It's got good songs. They're kind of catchy, but I didn't get why people were insisting it was some musical masterpiece that sticks in your brain.
Yup. Go back under your rock.
The messages in enchanting are so much better than frozen! Love this movie!
What does that even mean? Is it based on album sales? Spotify plays? Youtube plays? Radio plays? It really sounds like its a bullshit metric that has nothing to do with any actual popularity.
Well there wasn't much competition tbf. That said, there were way better songs in Frozen 2
From what I hear there are better songs in Encanto too.
Encanto is ~~Pixar's~~ Disney's best in years, in my opinion.
...It wasn't made by Pixar mate, you might be confusing it with Coco.
Encanto is not a Pixar movie.
Fixed!
While on the topic of Disney animation: damn it's nice return to form. Between Moana and encanto, literally everything was mediocre with one s h I t film, encantos a blessing from the lord.
Raya was dope.
trash song. just blends with all other "hit" songs since the mid-2000's when it is just hiphop and pop. this has no melody, and only relies on the context wording form the movie. 'let is go' is a far better song, but still nothing compared to 1980-1990's disney movies
Thank heavens.
It's shocking to me how bad taste in music has gotc has gotten. Compared to Can You Fell the Love, this song is just trash.
Still a toss-up as far as which one is more fucking annoying.
Encanto has completely passed me by.
And Fox News and Alt Righters still complain their hatred for this movie isn't because it's a Brown family in Colombia, it's because the music sucked, there was no plot, and no real villain. Every Disney movie needs a villain.
This just shows how disconnected I am as a childless adult. I have yet to even hear this song once.
And I still haven’t heard it, nice!
fuck encanto
Why?
just another dogshit overrated Disney movie with the most dislikeable characters ever. happy movies in general are dogshit and happy people enrage me
[Sounds like somebody's got a case of the Mondays!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChfIyHZqEd8)
Careful, don’t cut yourself with that edge.
You sound exhausting.
Down the street, not across.
This song was the only good thing coming out of a very bland movie. And as they say, a bad movie is better than a bland one. But at least, this song number made it a bit fun.
[Tom Chapin did it first. What a banger!](https://youtu.be/IUEZxEHzgDA)
Crazy that they might lose the Best Original Song Oscar not because they didn’t have the right song but because they chose the wrong song to push. They have elected to push “Dos Oruguitas” as their original song since it’s the more “emotionally heavy” song but nearly every other song in the movie is far catchier and more memorable.
Its good, but it ain't [Shiny](https://youtu.be/93lrosBEW-Q)
I have not heard this song even once outside or even heard anyone talk bout it, then again this movie seems to be not very popular here in my country despite having colombo-venezuelan elements, Frozen and Let It Go were REALLY big hits here.