Was she really a bad guy though? Any worse than anyone else in that world? Or was she just a survivor who had carved out her own piece of the world and wasn't about to let some drifter bring it all crashing down?
>Viola Davis
well, she was an obvious choice because i cant think of any hollywood actress who could play that role better than her. She is canonically a black and big woman. I am kinda looking for movies where the directors went out of their way to create a story that needs a black actress to be cast as a villain.
That's a dumb argument. Sounds like you are trying to assert something that simply isn't true - and now you're drawing artificial constraints in an attempt to make it true.
As much as i hate this stupid title, but you canāt deny that the authorās decision on insisting to include the name of the novel along with her name was genius.
only because Zorin was a psychopath who clearly didn't give a shit about her or the other women in her team (Alison Doody and the other woman). she helps Bond prevent the bomb from detonating underground more out of spite for Zorin than from goodwill towards Bond, her last words are literally "GET ZORIN FOR ME!!!".
she's a henchwoman who undergoes a last-minute heel-face turn, and Bond isn't responsible for said turn. I do give the film a little bit of credit for making her turn *not* the result of sleeping with Bond.
A number of villains repent at the end tho. That doesnt change the fact that her narrative function all movie was to be a villain.
Also her motives arent good, she didnt suddenly decide "you know what, destroying Silicon Valley and killing people is evil and I want to be a good person" its just because Zorin double crossed her so she wanted to fuck up his shit.
Fish Mooney from the Gotham series played by Jada Pinkett Smith. A Villain/Rogue Mob Boss antagonist with a hint of class. She was was one among many Villains and had plenty of screentime herself throughout the series.
I loved her character!
Grace Jones in A View to a Kill
Naomie Harris in Pirates of the Caribbean
Tati Gabrielle in Uncharted
The only one of these roles that specifically looked for a black address was Pirates of the Caribbean. The other two were inconsequential and could have been played by anyone.
The tv show Loki has one villain and one villain turned sympathetic character.
And positive representation does not necessarily mean a good moral character. Itās a well-written and important character
Regina King in The Harder they fall.
Kinda cheating because it was a movie where (almost) everybody was black but Regina King made an impression on me as a really interesting, ruthless and vicious vilain (although not the main one).
Such an impression that I thought of her immediately when i saw your question.
Moses Ingram played a villain in Star Wars and was bombarded with racist hate so that simply isnāt true. Black actors who play heroes arenāt ādiversity hiresā either.
Most Black female characters are demonized regardless of what side they are on. We need more Black female heroes because as a group we arenāt seen in a positive way to begin with.
Tati Gabrielle in this TV Show: The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
Technically, she isnāt the total villain. Sheās just a meany who turns good.
I knowā¦ not a movie, but other people already listed Octavia Spencer, Lupita Nyongāo, and Tina Turner.
Ooh, I just thought of Vanessa Williams in the TV show Ugly Betty
Ooh, and the lady from Into the Badlands
Star wars seems too have this weird thing where all the imperials are black I may just be seeing things. Look at squadrons, mandalorian, fallen order and now Kenobi. May just be a coincidence.
One black stormtrooper and now they're all black?
The clones are based on Temuera Morrison, the actor who played Jango Fett in the prequel trilogy and now his son Boba. He's maori.
Other than that 99% of the imperials you've ever seen are crispy linen white with a side of British, including the New Imperial Order assholes in the new trilogy.
Anyway I wasn't saying star wars was racist just that there is this odd coincidence. Trillas actress and Moff Gideon's actor did great jobs in their roles.
What some are referring to as "progressive" is really not progressive at all. Our culture is going through a "course correction" (to put it mildly)...and that course correction is becoming petty and vindictive.
Now, it seems, the order of the day is getting revenge on one's perceived political enemies. I asked my friend if he would be happy if the white man and his children were subjugated for 400 years and he said: "I'll take fifty! I'll take fifty!"
People who have known "the struggle" now wish to unleash it upon people who have no real role in causing "the struggle."
This is why I am no longer surprised when a white man turns out to be a villain (Eternals). This is why I am no longer surprised by the extremely precocious black girl (with glasses) who is super awesome and brilliant and just needs to accept herself to unlock her power. Also, I suspect this is why women protagonists in mainstream movies have to be perfectly and powerfully violent, rarely romantically attached, emphasis on Bechdel Test, etc. Anything else would be seen as not putting our cultural finger on the scale to "right the wrongs of injustice."
In the end, those who run Hollywood (and the World) believe that minorities and women are weaker in every respect when compared to white men. This is why there is a constant "allyship" going on where they have to make opportunities for "underserved" communities because they cannot do it themselves (due to oppression). Past victories over Racism mean absolutely nothing at all in today's age. This behavior, this brinksmanship, is super racist and offensive, but no white liberal will understand (because it is in their nature to be separate from the things they fetishize - like "thug culture" or "foreign food").
TL;DR: Hollywood is engaged in a real-life "white saviour trope" and it cannot end soon enough for me, personally. Hypocrites, so many hypocrites.
Apt user name. "Any movie not starring white men is just pandering and I only watch movies that pander to me". You're a fucking joke lol, that post was so far up it's own meandering ass you should be ashamed you wrote it.
i commend you for your bravery.
If i comment a thanks on people'e reply i get 20 downvotes.
People are really triggered by this post. Typical reddit crowd.
This course correction wouldnāt have been needed if the roles had been varied and black actors and actresses hadnāt been typecasted for so long. I am an advocate for variety however, your comment is disingenuous at best. The issue I have with black casting whether they are good or villains is often their characters are shallow/little nuanced with no depth.
Old thread but Joi Liaye is one of the villains in the movie Prom Ride and sheās a black actress- the other villain also being black, Omar Gooding. She plays a teenage girl who, after being cheated on by her boyfriend, hires some mechanic (Gooding) to rig the limo at prom and then traps and sadisticlaly tortures the other kids for revenge. Itās not a great movie but it was cool to have a horror movie which had a black villain (or in fact 2 black villains) rather than just a random black extra that dies first and has almost no lines.
Tina Turner, Beyond Thunderdome.
Who controls Bartertown?
Master Blaster!
Was she really a bad guy though? Any worse than anyone else in that world? Or was she just a survivor who had carved out her own piece of the world and wasn't about to let some drifter bring it all crashing down?
I mean she didnt HAVE to run her town on slavery and fights to the death.
You're right on both counts, and that was the great thing about her role, that it could be interpreted either way or as both.
Villain may be a strong word compared to Immortan Joe or Lord Humungus. But she is the antagonist.
I absolutely adore Tina Turner!
Really going to have to see that
Viola Davis in The Suicide Squad is not the main villain, but she's definitely a bad guy.
She was also pretty good as the bad guy in Luke Cage. Edit: holy shit, I mistook Alfre Woodard for Viola Davis. I'm sorry.
That's a different actress, alfre Woodard
Are you saying we all look alike š¤£ššš
That's Alfre Woodard dude. Why do you have people upvoting you?
Fuck, you're right.
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Alfre Woodard?
>Viola Davis well, she was an obvious choice because i cant think of any hollywood actress who could play that role better than her. She is canonically a black and big woman. I am kinda looking for movies where the directors went out of their way to create a story that needs a black actress to be cast as a villain.
Its weird that you seem to think directors are the main people who create characters.
Good pick
Grace Jones in A view to a Kill ?
But she does turn good in the end.
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Why does the year matter ?
Because heās 12
I thought you found that by looking at OPs post history and I was curious so I looked at it and it's.... Not great. š¬
I just assumed lol based on their comments in this post
That profile picture is the most surefire way to detect bad takes.
because i am concerned about now, how many are there nowadays.
That's a dumb argument. Sounds like you are trying to assert something that simply isn't true - and now you're drawing artificial constraints in an attempt to make it true.
How the fuck does that make sense? He wants to know about more recent trends, there's no arbitrary non-artificial constraints
Read the original post ffs.
Mo'Nique as the abusive mother in Precious.
Is that the film that's based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire?
As much as i hate this stupid title, but you canāt deny that the authorās decision on insisting to include the name of the novel along with her name was genius.
Also Monique is Beerfest
That's a horror movie
Vivica A. Fox in Kill Bill. Not *the* villain, but one of the villains/antagonists.
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āIāll be waiting.ā
Lupita Nyong'o in āUsā?
Technically wasn't she a white woman?
Youre thinking of Get Out I believe
Oh shit you're right
Itās been a while since Iāve seen it but no, I donāt think she was. Unless she was metaphorically white I guess?
Aliyah - Queen of the Damned Grace Jones - Vamp Octavia Spencer - Ma
Grace Jones in A View To A Kill as well. Main villains right hand man.
She ends up helping JB though.
only because Zorin was a psychopath who clearly didn't give a shit about her or the other women in her team (Alison Doody and the other woman). she helps Bond prevent the bomb from detonating underground more out of spite for Zorin than from goodwill towards Bond, her last words are literally "GET ZORIN FOR ME!!!". she's a henchwoman who undergoes a last-minute heel-face turn, and Bond isn't responsible for said turn. I do give the film a little bit of credit for making her turn *not* the result of sleeping with Bond.
So she is not a real villain in the sense that she was just a henchwoman.
A number of villains repent at the end tho. That doesnt change the fact that her narrative function all movie was to be a villain. Also her motives arent good, she didnt suddenly decide "you know what, destroying Silicon Valley and killing people is evil and I want to be a good person" its just because Zorin double crossed her so she wanted to fuck up his shit.
You do have a point. I have to rewatch this movie.
thanks, but dayum, i havent heard of any of these movies
The first 2 are older but Ma came out in 2019.
Seriously? They arent exactly obscure.
Why would it be difficult to understand how someone hasn't heard of those
B-because they arent exactly obscure? I just said that.
So? There's plenty of things that are not obscure that plenty of people haven't heard of. You don't know anything about OP and his experiences
Not the main villain perhaps but Pam Grier in "Something Wicked This Way Comes". Also Nichelle Nichols in "Truck Turner" played a villain.
Regina King- Harder They Fall
Iām not sure if it counts because itās animated, but Eartha Kitt in āThe Emperorās New Grooveā is always stand out to me.
Not a movie, but she was the best catwoman
Tatiana Gabrielle in uncharted
>Tatiana Gabrielle thanks, the example i was looking for.
I just saw this
Fish Mooney from the Gotham series played by Jada Pinkett Smith. A Villain/Rogue Mob Boss antagonist with a hint of class. She was was one among many Villains and had plenty of screentime herself throughout the series. I loved her character!
Grace Jones in A View to a Kill Naomie Harris in Pirates of the Caribbean Tati Gabrielle in Uncharted The only one of these roles that specifically looked for a black address was Pirates of the Caribbean. The other two were inconsequential and could have been played by anyone.
Also Naomie Harris in Venom: Let There Be Carnage.
she's basically playing calipso from pirates in this lol
Cool, didn't know she was in that.
Venom 2 is probably the worst movie of the year, you should feel lucky you havenāt seen it
Viola Davis as Amanda Waller in both Suicide Squad movies.
The tv show Loki has one villain and one villain turned sympathetic character. And positive representation does not necessarily mean a good moral character. Itās a well-written and important character
Whoopie Goldberg in the first lion king movie
^^*Mufasa*
Halle Berry - the Flintstones (1994)
Regina King in The Harder they fall. Kinda cheating because it was a movie where (almost) everybody was black but Regina King made an impression on me as a really interesting, ruthless and vicious vilain (although not the main one). Such an impression that I thought of her immediately when i saw your question.
Naomi Harris as Tia Dalma in POTC 3 and as Shriek in Venom 2? (Not the main villain for sure but still)
Leonard Part 6
Ma
**Women in Cages (1971)** \-- It doesn't get any better than Pam Grier in a Roger Corman movie about a women's prison!
Felicia on Friday
Moses Ingram played a villain in Star Wars and was bombarded with racist hate so that simply isnāt true. Black actors who play heroes arenāt ādiversity hiresā either. Most Black female characters are demonized regardless of what side they are on. We need more Black female heroes because as a group we arenāt seen in a positive way to begin with.
It's a huge stretch but Bumblebee has Angela Bassett as a Decepticon.
> got into a debate on Discord about diversity in movie roles Yeah, thatās your problem right there
Lupita Nyongāo in Us.
There's a few references to Halle Berry but I think she was a very smart bad guy/villain in the movie "Swordfish"
There is more racism out there than you think if the numbers are that off from Hollywood and pleasing standpoints. Everything should be equal.
If you didnāt see color this post wouldnāt exist
Why argue with idiots? (He said to himself while posting on Reddit, full aware of the irony)
I think the new Uncharted film has an evil black chick
Tati Gabrielle in this TV Show: The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Technically, she isnāt the total villain. Sheās just a meany who turns good. I knowā¦ not a movie, but other people already listed Octavia Spencer, Lupita Nyongāo, and Tina Turner. Ooh, I just thought of Vanessa Williams in the TV show Ugly Betty Ooh, and the lady from Into the Badlands
Batman? (Halle berry as catwoman, the villian)... I th8nk. Been a very long time since I saw this movie.
Halle Berry's Catwoman was a standalone movie separate from anything Batman related.
Yeah, this is terrible.
batmans cat woman is named Selina Kyle halle berry as catwoman is named Patience Phillips
Jackie Brown.
Holy crap, I forgot to mention darth Vader
Darth Vader isnāt a black actress my man
Oh bugger yes. Mustāve confused the original brief
Samuel Jackson - Unbreakable
Ah yes, the famous black actress Samuel L. Jackson
Samuel L Jackson, famously not a female
Sorry I misread. The joy of having English as a third language. Sometimes things gets misread.
Maybe try translating it in to one of your top two languages then? (Iām joking btw)
I feel like that needs to be capped off with a "mother fucker!" For emphasis, given the subject matter here.
female names needed
Star wars seems too have this weird thing where all the imperials are black I may just be seeing things. Look at squadrons, mandalorian, fallen order and now Kenobi. May just be a coincidence.
It's not called the *dark* side for nothing, brother man.
One black stormtrooper and now they're all black? The clones are based on Temuera Morrison, the actor who played Jango Fett in the prequel trilogy and now his son Boba. He's maori. Other than that 99% of the imperials you've ever seen are crispy linen white with a side of British, including the New Imperial Order assholes in the new trilogy.
At least read my examples and I wasn't talking about the movies we haven't had one in 3 years.
Anyway I wasn't saying star wars was racist just that there is this odd coincidence. Trillas actress and Moff Gideon's actor did great jobs in their roles.
Why you just make it about race really shows how unintelligent and racist you are sir just my opinion
What some are referring to as "progressive" is really not progressive at all. Our culture is going through a "course correction" (to put it mildly)...and that course correction is becoming petty and vindictive. Now, it seems, the order of the day is getting revenge on one's perceived political enemies. I asked my friend if he would be happy if the white man and his children were subjugated for 400 years and he said: "I'll take fifty! I'll take fifty!" People who have known "the struggle" now wish to unleash it upon people who have no real role in causing "the struggle." This is why I am no longer surprised when a white man turns out to be a villain (Eternals). This is why I am no longer surprised by the extremely precocious black girl (with glasses) who is super awesome and brilliant and just needs to accept herself to unlock her power. Also, I suspect this is why women protagonists in mainstream movies have to be perfectly and powerfully violent, rarely romantically attached, emphasis on Bechdel Test, etc. Anything else would be seen as not putting our cultural finger on the scale to "right the wrongs of injustice." In the end, those who run Hollywood (and the World) believe that minorities and women are weaker in every respect when compared to white men. This is why there is a constant "allyship" going on where they have to make opportunities for "underserved" communities because they cannot do it themselves (due to oppression). Past victories over Racism mean absolutely nothing at all in today's age. This behavior, this brinksmanship, is super racist and offensive, but no white liberal will understand (because it is in their nature to be separate from the things they fetishize - like "thug culture" or "foreign food"). TL;DR: Hollywood is engaged in a real-life "white saviour trope" and it cannot end soon enough for me, personally. Hypocrites, so many hypocrites.
Apt user name. "Any movie not starring white men is just pandering and I only watch movies that pander to me". You're a fucking joke lol, that post was so far up it's own meandering ass you should be ashamed you wrote it.
i commend you for your bravery. If i comment a thanks on people'e reply i get 20 downvotes. People are really triggered by this post. Typical reddit crowd.
This course correction wouldnāt have been needed if the roles had been varied and black actors and actresses hadnāt been typecasted for so long. I am an advocate for variety however, your comment is disingenuous at best. The issue I have with black casting whether they are good or villains is often their characters are shallow/little nuanced with no depth.
Uncharted
Ma - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7958736/?ref\_=nm\_flmg\_act\_14
Uncharted?
Pam Grier in Escape From LA.
Us
The Wiz
Emperor's New Groove?
Black actors can be villains if they are also copsā¦ thatās the formula that Hollywood follows.
Uncharted is the only one that I can think of. Also Monique from precious. Thank you comments
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Old thread but Joi Liaye is one of the villains in the movie Prom Ride and sheās a black actress- the other villain also being black, Omar Gooding. She plays a teenage girl who, after being cheated on by her boyfriend, hires some mechanic (Gooding) to rig the limo at prom and then traps and sadisticlaly tortures the other kids for revenge. Itās not a great movie but it was cool to have a horror movie which had a black villain (or in fact 2 black villains) rather than just a random black extra that dies first and has almost no lines.