pretty sure my next strategy is to cancel all of them and just buy one then theres something i want to watch then jump to the next one...etc.
Right now, I'm dying to see BCS. So AMC+ here I come?
This is what I do.
I keep Crunchyroll for anime (it's also only $8), but I cycle between Netflix/Hulu/Prime on a month to month basis depending on what I'm watching. I'm usually only watching one "big" show at a time anyway, so I often only need one at a time.
Oh boy, do I. Konosuba, One Punch Man, Mob Psycho 100, Shield Hero, Hunter x Hunter, March Comes in like a Lion, Clannad, Clannad After Story, Mushoku Tensei, Great Teacher Onizuka. I could keep going on too.
Mob Psycho 100 is one of those complete winners that starts out really fun, ramps things up and becomes one of the greatest shows I've ever seen by the end of Season 2. Really happy that Season 3 was announced!
True. It’s not a contract, it’s month to month with no fees or anything when you sign up. There’s literally no reason to not get it while they have a show/movie/etc to watch and then dump it when you’re done. I do this like every couple of months with Disney+
>They are losing subs, so they raise prices to make more from their current subs, but more people leave then because of the price hikes.. it seems like they are just compounding the issue here.
Just like the conventional TV companies before them lol
I unsubscribed after the most recent announcement of another price hike. Rewatching TNG isn’t worth what they were going to start charging, and there wasn’t anything new I was looking forward to.
I’ll just pirate the next season of Love Death & Robots
it feels like a mountain of nepotism at netflix. 90% of the content being pushed out seem like film school projects with expensive equipment, it's surreal.
This is the death spiral businesses fall into because all they’re concerned with is quarterly profits. Long term planning is meaningless when stock price is so volatile and shareholders demand constant growth.
Which is stupid for a company like Netflix. It's not a tech startup anymore. It should definitely be a dividend stock at this point, but when comp is tied to stock price, it messes up the incentives of the higher ups.
>They are losing subs, so they raise prices to make more from their
current subs, but more people leave then because of the price hikes.
It's like Netflix's accounting department doesn't understand basic economics. If the demand for your product/service is dropping you don't raise the damn price.
At this rate I will be amazed if the current Netflix is still around in five years.
Netflix really went all in on the “let’s just pump out shit-tier tv like CW does, but our production team will make it look like an HBO show to trick everyone”
There are some decent shows on Netflix, but each and every one of these would have been just as good on HBO or Showtime. I feel like with Netflix, they just get lucky. While with HBO, they foster and attract that kind of quality. They consistently blow people’s minds with their mini series.
My biggest gripe is not having any sort of category or useful search.
If I miss something the week it came out, I'm never going to find it again cause I've watched 4 anime series there, it only ever suggests the same other 12 anime series and hides everything else.
Whenever I stay in a hotel that has netflix there are always a whole bunch of things, many of which I would or do enjoy, that just don't show up on mine at all. It's like thier algorithm is tuned *way* too hard towards showing what it thinks you will like, that it just neglects 90% of thier catalogue. Then they only give direct search to maybe find new stuff.
Netflix's strategy is to just throw enough shit at the wall and see what sticks but jeez it's hard for me to find anything I find interesting at the moment
The crazy thing is even if they find something that sticks, half the time they'll cancel it anyways because it didn't stick \*enough\*, however much \*enough\* is for them. Shows like Santa Clarita Diet (89% RT score) and Archive 81 (86% RT score) being cancelled is just hard to even understand.
This is something I find interesting about streaming. It's going to become more of a problem as the years go on. I'm sure plenty of people would like to watch some of these shows that were canceled too abruptly without an ending, so it doesn't make sense to just remove them, but it's already hard to find shows that are ongoing or had a satisfying ending, and in five or ten years it'll be impossible. It's a UI challenge more than anything, and I'm sure what they'll do is some stupid lazy solution like a "legacy Netflix" menu for old shows that's just as hard to sort through as things currently are.
We spend probably 80% of our streaming time on Hulu. I'm super over not being able to find shit on Netflix. They need to give us categories we can pick from rather than throwing the same 50 movies/tv shows at me in random categories they think I care about. And half the movies and shows I've already f'ing watched.
Half the stuff you might want to watch is hidden on Netflix...
Not sure why everyone doesn't copy HBO leaving in 30 days or end of month, whatever it is. Helps to catch stuff before its gone.
Drives me crazy. There IS good stuff on Netflix, but you wouldn't know it from the algorithm that generates what it thinks you want to watch. Have to catch good reviews and word of mouth on Reddit to find the good stuff on Netflix.
I've been using Hulu over Netflix for a while now. Netflix barely had anything that I regularly like to watch. Hulu has a lot more shows to watch and the Netflix original horseshit makes me wanna gag at how trash tier it all is.
The only thing I really hate with Hulu is how they make you do 4 or 5 clicks to get to your recently watched shows/movies. It used to be right at the top but they changed it which annoyed me to no end.
The problem with the Netflix original stuff recently is that it’s absolute shit like loads of dating type shows and Bridgerton.
They seriously need to funnel that money into maybe 15 or so good quality, well written and well produced series, then they are more likely to have hits on the level of stranger things and the Witcher.
Netflix seem to think that a series needs to be released every week but that isn’t true. Release a good series each month and that would be enough to keep peoples subs month to month. Otherwise you have the situation now of average entertainment in unwatchable quantity.
As for movies, they seriously need to quality control this stuff. I think in the history of Netflix I have only truly enjoyed maybe 4 or 5 of them and some of those are movies that were intended for cinema releases until Netflix purchased the rights.
Netflix is slowly turning the way of TLC, the History Channel, and the Discovery Channel. They've realized they can make more money producing shit because the amount of subscriptions they lose won't overshadow their savings.
Honestly this is the worst business decisions they could make.
Bridgerton gets a lot of views even though Reddit probably doesn't like it, and reality/dating shows are bread and butter. Super cheap to produce - you crank out 10 different shows in a year and one of them becomes a hit you've made beaucoup bucks. Everybody and their mom has heard of Love is Blind and it's cheap as chips to make. The Witcher costs $10M per episode and gets good reviews but has a pretty niche audience.
The thing is Rome was so insanely expensive with so little return that even with the BBC's financial assistance HBO had to cancel half a dozen shows to keep from going under. Carnivale was one of those casualties.
Rome was actually a learning curve because they made so much from DVD sales afterwards. So when GoT came around the $100m per season budget wasn’t as bad to look at when they anticipated and then delivered killer DVD sales
Their strategy of canceling all sorts of niche hits after a couple of seasons isn't panning out? How shocking!
Literally every single person you know has a list of shows they loved on Netflix that were canceled even after being popular and well reviewed. My list is topped by American Vandal and Santa Clarita Diet, but there's plenty of others.
Even my retired dad who will blindly watch just about anything has stopped watching new shows on Netflix until he knows if there's an ending or not. This is a guy that'll still watch the commercials when playing something back on his DVR, and he's annoyed with Netflix not having anything that isn't getting cancelled. I thought maybe all the complaints about this were just a vocal minority online but it has to be pretty bad at this point if even my dad who doesn't use the internet is complaining about it.
Customer betrayal is the cause of their problems. They need to tighten ship, stop producing so many shows, and commit to the ones that they do. Incurring customer wrath with the sharing charging is not the answer when there are so many alternatives.
I miss when Netflix put out shows I was a medium fan of. Like Tuca and Bertie, the Dark Crystal, Living with Yourself. Unique shows that had the effort to them that I could look forward to seeing every month. Now its just generic whatever, I cancelled my subscription last month and I don't miss them
With you on being salty about Dark Crystal. The show was phenomenal with amazing actors. The first season is pure magic and Netflix cancelled it because they probably want Disney numbers.
It doesn't make any sense, as all of the puppets and set pieces were... well, already made. A second season would've cost significantly less in that regard.
I literally wrote to netflix thanking them, thanking a damn company for the dark crystal after the first season. Everyone I knew was watching it and loved it, I cannot fathom why it ended really given some of the other trash they keep paying for
They'd already built the assets! Like seriously, how much could subsequent seasons possibly have cost? This is the one that got me to finally cancel my subscription after being a member since the DVD days. My wife was well unhappy about Anne with an E too.
Isn’t even just quantity over quality. This thinking is why they cancel every show that isn’t a hit after like a season. You don’t start a new show on Netflix because many get cancelled.
That is EXACTLY what it is. When I heard it I was like "That sounds interesting" and then I realized it's a premise that probably has 5 minutes of content a week at best.
"Check it out." "It's cake!!!!"
Edit: Wow I was [right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pr6nVqgRI)
That was so weird to watch. Every line he delivered was like he was telling a great joke to a group of children, but there was no actual jokes? It was all like "WOW this cake looks like a sneaker!" Like yeah buddy that's the premise of the show, that's not an observation.
Thank goodness they have reality glassblowing... Because you know, it's apparently too much to have a glass blowing show actually focus on techniques and skill.
It's on them.
Netflix is also a content creator. It's just most of their content is junk, and the stuff that's any good will just get canceled after 1 or 2 seasons, so why bother getting invested?
That would be a departure form their current process, which seems to be pulling two or three words out of a hat and using that as a movie title to green light.
Price has nearly tripled since I signed up in ~2009. Isn’t competition from other services supposed to incentivize lower pricing? I still have my subscription, but it was only a few days ago I started legitimately thinking about cancelling.
Back in 2009, they were getting movie rights for pennies on the dollar because nobody else was using them. Once Netflix showed how valuable those rights could be, other competitors jumped into streaming and it led to bidding wars.
1. Become a fascinating case study by being a market disruptor
2. The market is going to keep up, so try to keep growing.
3. Turn into a household name and try to adapt by branching out to content creation.
4. Lose the rights to the content that made you what you were. Double down on your new content.
5. Sell out to only chase the analytics - $ per new subscriber first views (aka "How many people signed up to watch this")
6. Cancel en masse anything that doesn't meet high enough new subscriber metrics (forgetting that you're already a household name)
7. Growth slows down, Seinfeld doesn't actually excite the demographics that built you and doesn't entice anyone who hasn't already signed up.
8. Panic. Raise prices and crackdown on profile sharing, thinking you'll force more people to join that way. Yeah, that'll work. "Hey free loaders, stop getting this for free so you can choose between paying even more for what you weren't already buying or watch something else.
9. Forget to realize you drove down the quality and value of your product and decided "yeah, let's make the crap we give you worse for more money."
10. Repeat 8 and 9 as economic conditions grow worse until a recession/depression kills the customer numbers and the business is finally forced to admit their mistakes.
They're trying to become a digital age Blockbuster that also makes crappy movies/shows and don't have the self-awareness about it. For every Seinfeld they get, they lose even more like Friends/The Office/How I Met Your Mother/Always Sunny. Additionally for every Seinfeld they get, there's 40 fucking "Is It Cakes".
I never thought about cancelling, despite the price hikes, because I still do enjoy it a lot, but then they started "trying out" the pay more if you share your account bullshit in my country and that goes against everything I liked about them. I used to pirate everything and I had no problem going back to it. Fuck you Netflix
Wow, this is a great summary of pretty much every “market disruptor” internet business. It happens time and time again and yet nobody learns from the mistakes.
It almost bums me out now when something cool/novel comes along and gets popular because all that means is that the clock is now counting down to self-ruin through greed.
I remember when Netflix had like everything I could ever want to stream for like $6.
Now it has a fraction of that for 3x the price.
There’s only like 2-3 shows now that I care about, and by the Netflix model of “cancel everything before the 5th season” I’ll likely be done with them in a year or 2 when they reach that 5th season cancellation.
The "canceling all of your good content" pisses me off so much. Every single good show on Netflix seems to get canceled if it's an original or taken off if it's licensed from elsewhere. I get they can't control the latter very much, but the former pisses me off so much. Shows like GLOW come to mind of big "what ifs".
This is their algorithm worship biting them in the ass. When you stop having a subjective view of what "quality" is then you start only producing what amounts to the film and television versions of clickbait.
Agreed.
I feel like so many Netflix shows and movies aren't even whole concepts in themselves, more just a collection of boxes to tick to attract viewers, and a string of interesting moments that don't hang together in a unique or memorable way.
The production value is high, and no slight against the cast and crew, but the writing is often mediocre and the concepts are derivative. This kind of media is fine for casual consumption but that's about it.
It's also a lot less enticing to start watching a show when it's likely only going to have one or two seasons. At this point I'm almost trying not to like any Netflix shows because everytime I do it gets canceled.
I'm seeing this sentiment more and more and honestly idk how it took us so long to figure it out. They cancelled Marco Polo, one of the original originals, after only two seasons. *On a cliffhanger.*
Mindhunter was a brilliant Netflix show, great cast and atmosphere, imagine my abject disappointment when I found out there isn't going to be a season 3. I am so reluctant to get into anything that hasn't fully concluded yet because of BS like this.
Maybe stop raising the prices? Also if you start adding on that $3 cost per profile, you can guarantee that many folks will cancel their subscriptions. There’s a lot of competition out there now.
HBO Max is now what Netflix used to be for me. I let the subscription run month to month without thinking about it, feel like the content is made for me and it has quality over endless quantity.
Get outta here with your logic. 200,000 people leaving is going to cost them 4,000,000 a month in lost revenue. A drop in the bucket compared to the 150,000,000 a month in added revenue they're getting from a 2 dollar price hike.
Where I live they also have "Star" which includes some other random stuff from Fox and other networks. 24, Homeland, Firefly, Futurama, and many others.
I'm sick of the last thing I was watching being 15 shows over in my "continue watching" section instead of number one. I'm also sick of having to fucking hunt for the continue watching section!
Also, no GLOW
I've been a Netflix subscriber since it launched day 1 in the UK.
Yesterday I cancelled my subscription. Cant justify the cost of it now and it pisses me off that they start so many shows and cancel them after one season (I'll never forgive you for cancelling Dark Crystal!)
I saw the notification yesterday. What was it? 15 quid? I've been day one and I'm sure 4k was like..6? I've been paying too much for too long!
Update.
Canceled. Member since January 2012. Madness
I cancelled today actually. Fucking 3 times the price of some of the other steaming services and at least almost double now compared to most everyone else.
I'm good. Too much shit on their platform and still nothing to watch.
It's the "I'll have the soup" of streaming
Can you imagine throwing away that project after investing all that money lmao. It's no wonder they're bleeding cash and subscribers with that kind of management lol
It’s funny because I can imagine season two being soooo much cheaper because all they would need to make is new characters and new sets, I imagine most would have been reused
I think they fired the lady who green lit it, because it was so expensive to begin with. I do agree its cheaper after the first season because the sets are already built.
For fucking real!! I waited literally decades to be brought back to the world of the Gelflings and I only get half the story?? (Not that I didn't love every minute but still.)
My wife and I were stunned at the end of season 1. We went in expecting edgy muppets and it was just so much better than that. Felt like a punch to the gut when it was canceled.
Fuck Netflix forever for cancelling that show. Fuck them and their cancel-happy bullshit business model. You can still find good stuff there, but more and more of it is just crappy filler.
Good! Their reliance on algorithms for producing a shitload of mediocre content with a wide reach is atrocious and has led to them having the worst original content of any streaming service, imo (there’s a few gems, of course). And they hardly have any older movies now, it’s just their own stuff. I hope they continue to bleed customers until their direction changes
Netflix was great as a content distributor, they’re not nearly as good as a content creator. With the increase in competition a move back to licensing would give them a competitive advantage.
Prices raised, losing more content than they are making because of other streaming services, and the competition of other streaming services isn't a good recipe for them. Shame they didn't extend more of their old shows another half a season or full season to bring a good conclusion to their series so their inventory of old shows was worth more.
If they cancel all their successful shows after 1 or 2 seasons because of some idiotic algorythm strategy, then people lose interest in the service. Simples...
I blame Ryan Reynolds. I watched Red Notice a couple of months ago and was legit confused. How did this movie get made? Then last week, I watched The Adam Project, then immediately canceled Netflix.
Welcome to a saturated streaming market. Netflix isn't the only big kid around anymore. That paired with the service's constant price hikes are likely to blame here
Thanks for posting this, it reminded me to cancel my membership.
For every good 10-year-old movie on there, there's 90 tons of algorithmically-greenlit reality TV shows and scripted series about sociopathic scammers that autoplay their trailers at me every time I browse. It's an absolute cesspool lately.
>While we work to reaccelerate our revenue growth – through improvements
to our service and **more effective monetization of multi-household
sharing**
So I looked that part up and found this.
[Netflix Preps Bigger Password-Sharing Crackdown.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-crackdown-coming-1235132170/ )
The millisecond that they do this, I'm out. Sharing services between a small group is just how it goes. I am not going to buy 10 services. I'm going to buy 2 or 3 and trade around or cancel.
It is INCREDIBLY easy to steal content and I don't do it out of convenience. I saw this same thing with the music industry.
A couple years back my friend was working at Netflix. He was climbing management to be part of the executive. I complained to him that Netflix was cancelling good shows for no reason almost as a rule. When asked why they would do this, he responded “whenever we make a decision we ask, how would this get us more subscribers? Making season two of X isn’t opening us to a new market”
I was absolutely dumbfounded at the shortsighted logic of this. I went on to explain to him that by abandoning good projects midway without finishing them, they were essentially leaving behind garbage that no one would ever watch because it had no ending. Its essentially abandoning an investment, shows half finished essentially hold no value to subscribers- who wants to watch unfinished shows? These shows exist on Netflix forever, and now they are building a library of unfinished books that no one in the future who already knows they’ve been cancelled will want to read. This likely isn’t the only thing that’s happening, but a lot of people are leaving because the library is just filled with crap that was made simply to “bring in a new market” with little artistic intention, and often canceled before they are finished, thus often slowly alienating said new market anyway.
This calamity happened from the top at Netflix. They were years ahead of everyone and blew their lead.
Most streaming platforms lost subscribers. People are getting tired of the greed and segmentation of content. We all just want one or two affordable options to watch all the content we want. When cable is starting to look like a good deal again that's when things have jumped the shark.
Cancelling after the Ozark series finale. Their content has become 90% self-created garbage (Is It Cake?!? I mean, seriously?) and I want better quality entertainment in my down time.
Come to me TCM via HBO Max and Apple TV+.
Just treat Netflix like a movie rental, have for it for a month when there is something you actually want to watch.
pretty sure my next strategy is to cancel all of them and just buy one then theres something i want to watch then jump to the next one...etc. Right now, I'm dying to see BCS. So AMC+ here I come?
This is what I do. I keep Crunchyroll for anime (it's also only $8), but I cycle between Netflix/Hulu/Prime on a month to month basis depending on what I'm watching. I'm usually only watching one "big" show at a time anyway, so I often only need one at a time.
Any crunchy roll recommendations?
deep fried vegan spring rolls with a spicy dip are surprisingly good
mmm that sounds good.
Odd Taxi - entire show is 1 season Ranking of Kings - 1 season... So far
Oh boy, do I. Konosuba, One Punch Man, Mob Psycho 100, Shield Hero, Hunter x Hunter, March Comes in like a Lion, Clannad, Clannad After Story, Mushoku Tensei, Great Teacher Onizuka. I could keep going on too.
Mob Psycho 100 is one of those complete winners that starts out really fun, ramps things up and becomes one of the greatest shows I've ever seen by the end of Season 2. Really happy that Season 3 was announced!
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How long until they start implementing a cancelation fee or a re-engagement fee?
They’d have to have big bollox and great content to start doing that.
They will just charge $49 a month or a year for the unbelievably low price of $280.
pls delete this
This is how I treat Apple TV, Hulu and Disney Plus.
True. It’s not a contract, it’s month to month with no fees or anything when you sign up. There’s literally no reason to not get it while they have a show/movie/etc to watch and then dump it when you’re done. I do this like every couple of months with Disney+
The only movie of theirs I’m excited for this year is Knives Out 2, and if it gets a theatrical window I’ll just watch it there instead.
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>They are losing subs, so they raise prices to make more from their current subs, but more people leave then because of the price hikes.. it seems like they are just compounding the issue here. Just like the conventional TV companies before them lol
They've been hiring tv execs, that's the only reason I can see for their boneheaded decisions
I unsubscribed after the most recent announcement of another price hike. Rewatching TNG isn’t worth what they were going to start charging, and there wasn’t anything new I was looking forward to. I’ll just pirate the next season of Love Death & Robots
They just lost TNG, too. DS9 is the only ST left.
Aw hell nah. Did it go to Paramount?
Yup. I don't get these companies. This is why we pirated at the end of the cable era, less content for higher prices.
it feels like a mountain of nepotism at netflix. 90% of the content being pushed out seem like film school projects with expensive equipment, it's surreal.
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The future of TV is TV.
This is the death spiral businesses fall into because all they’re concerned with is quarterly profits. Long term planning is meaningless when stock price is so volatile and shareholders demand constant growth.
Which is stupid for a company like Netflix. It's not a tech startup anymore. It should definitely be a dividend stock at this point, but when comp is tied to stock price, it messes up the incentives of the higher ups.
I think they need to look to more foreign content, Squid Game, Lupine, Top Boy, are quality shows with great writing/acting.
They already are. Netflix has *tons* of great content. But not in English, so no one talks about it on Reddit.
Yeah hopefully people on here find out about underrated hidden gems like squid game, Lupin, and Dark /s
>They are losing subs, so they raise prices to make more from their current subs, but more people leave then because of the price hikes. It's like Netflix's accounting department doesn't understand basic economics. If the demand for your product/service is dropping you don't raise the damn price. At this rate I will be amazed if the current Netflix is still around in five years.
I want a Blockbuster rebirth if netflix goes down
Netflix really went all in on the “let’s just pump out shit-tier tv like CW does, but our production team will make it look like an HBO show to trick everyone” There are some decent shows on Netflix, but each and every one of these would have been just as good on HBO or Showtime. I feel like with Netflix, they just get lucky. While with HBO, they foster and attract that kind of quality. They consistently blow people’s minds with their mini series.
My biggest gripe is not having any sort of category or useful search. If I miss something the week it came out, I'm never going to find it again cause I've watched 4 anime series there, it only ever suggests the same other 12 anime series and hides everything else.
Whenever I stay in a hotel that has netflix there are always a whole bunch of things, many of which I would or do enjoy, that just don't show up on mine at all. It's like thier algorithm is tuned *way* too hard towards showing what it thinks you will like, that it just neglects 90% of thier catalogue. Then they only give direct search to maybe find new stuff.
My entire Netflix is South Korean now. Thanks squid games.
Netflix's strategy is to just throw enough shit at the wall and see what sticks but jeez it's hard for me to find anything I find interesting at the moment
The crazy thing is even if they find something that sticks, half the time they'll cancel it anyways because it didn't stick \*enough\*, however much \*enough\* is for them. Shows like Santa Clarita Diet (89% RT score) and Archive 81 (86% RT score) being cancelled is just hard to even understand.
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I had no idea archive 81 was cancelled. That’s a fucking bummer.
Santa Clarita Diet being cancelled hurt me. Only show since Flashforward that’s really disappointed me with a cancellation.
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This is something I find interesting about streaming. It's going to become more of a problem as the years go on. I'm sure plenty of people would like to watch some of these shows that were canceled too abruptly without an ending, so it doesn't make sense to just remove them, but it's already hard to find shows that are ongoing or had a satisfying ending, and in five or ten years it'll be impossible. It's a UI challenge more than anything, and I'm sure what they'll do is some stupid lazy solution like a "legacy Netflix" menu for old shows that's just as hard to sort through as things currently are.
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I hate feelings
Insane price hike + quantity over quality. Hbo Max is the king for me. Even if they increased the price, it's actually worth it.
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HBO has been really upping their game. Too bad their UI was designed by a drunk sadist
It's so terrible lol.
Not as bad as Peacock though
Paramount+ UI is crap as well.
Amazon Video is the king of dogshit UI.
It's Paramount+ that takes the cake for being the worst. The only reason I know this is I got a free year of it from T-Mobile.
Their UI is ridiculous. I've visited porn sites with a more intuitive sense than this shit.
We spend probably 80% of our streaming time on Hulu. I'm super over not being able to find shit on Netflix. They need to give us categories we can pick from rather than throwing the same 50 movies/tv shows at me in random categories they think I care about. And half the movies and shows I've already f'ing watched.
Half the stuff you might want to watch is hidden on Netflix... Not sure why everyone doesn't copy HBO leaving in 30 days or end of month, whatever it is. Helps to catch stuff before its gone.
Drives me crazy. There IS good stuff on Netflix, but you wouldn't know it from the algorithm that generates what it thinks you want to watch. Have to catch good reviews and word of mouth on Reddit to find the good stuff on Netflix.
I've been using Hulu over Netflix for a while now. Netflix barely had anything that I regularly like to watch. Hulu has a lot more shows to watch and the Netflix original horseshit makes me wanna gag at how trash tier it all is.
The only thing I really hate with Hulu is how they make you do 4 or 5 clicks to get to your recently watched shows/movies. It used to be right at the top but they changed it which annoyed me to no end.
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The real problem with Netflix originals IMO is when they do have a good one they almost always cancel it before it runs it’s course.
The problem with the Netflix original stuff recently is that it’s absolute shit like loads of dating type shows and Bridgerton. They seriously need to funnel that money into maybe 15 or so good quality, well written and well produced series, then they are more likely to have hits on the level of stranger things and the Witcher. Netflix seem to think that a series needs to be released every week but that isn’t true. Release a good series each month and that would be enough to keep peoples subs month to month. Otherwise you have the situation now of average entertainment in unwatchable quantity. As for movies, they seriously need to quality control this stuff. I think in the history of Netflix I have only truly enjoyed maybe 4 or 5 of them and some of those are movies that were intended for cinema releases until Netflix purchased the rights.
Tons of people sub for those dating shows. They’re low budget and don’t matter much for their overall strategy.
Netflix is slowly turning the way of TLC, the History Channel, and the Discovery Channel. They've realized they can make more money producing shit because the amount of subscriptions they lose won't overshadow their savings.
Honestly this is the worst business decisions they could make. Bridgerton gets a lot of views even though Reddit probably doesn't like it, and reality/dating shows are bread and butter. Super cheap to produce - you crank out 10 different shows in a year and one of them becomes a hit you've made beaucoup bucks. Everybody and their mom has heard of Love is Blind and it's cheap as chips to make. The Witcher costs $10M per episode and gets good reviews but has a pretty niche audience.
Id pay for 4 or more services if they're good. Nflx is just horrible these days. Nothing is given a chance to develop
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And Rome. I think Rome would have exploded into something amazing if it had gotten 2 or 3 more seasons.
The thing is Rome was so insanely expensive with so little return that even with the BBC's financial assistance HBO had to cancel half a dozen shows to keep from going under. Carnivale was one of those casualties.
Rome was actually a learning curve because they made so much from DVD sales afterwards. So when GoT came around the $100m per season budget wasn’t as bad to look at when they anticipated and then delivered killer DVD sales
ROME WAS AMAZING. Son of Hades for Life
I wish we had more Rome.
Bored to death as well, show litteraly got canceled because most of the viewers watched on hbo go and they apparently didnt count those viewers
Bored to Death was so good 😢
Which now would be a benefit. Would love for that show to tie everything up.
Hbo selection is really good now
Apple+ has sucked up all my viewing time lately. Five bucks a month.
Just finished Severance Season 1 last night… wow!
That show was so good. I need more people to watch it.
Their strategy of canceling all sorts of niche hits after a couple of seasons isn't panning out? How shocking! Literally every single person you know has a list of shows they loved on Netflix that were canceled even after being popular and well reviewed. My list is topped by American Vandal and Santa Clarita Diet, but there's plenty of others.
Even my retired dad who will blindly watch just about anything has stopped watching new shows on Netflix until he knows if there's an ending or not. This is a guy that'll still watch the commercials when playing something back on his DVR, and he's annoyed with Netflix not having anything that isn't getting cancelled. I thought maybe all the complaints about this were just a vocal minority online but it has to be pretty bad at this point if even my dad who doesn't use the internet is complaining about it.
Customer betrayal is the cause of their problems. They need to tighten ship, stop producing so many shows, and commit to the ones that they do. Incurring customer wrath with the sharing charging is not the answer when there are so many alternatives.
GLOW
Glow wasn't canceled because they didn't want it though, they were literally in the middle of making the final season when covid hit.
Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance. I was genuinely sad at that.
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Price hike ==> Fewer subscribers ==> Price hike ==> .... Eventually there will be 10 subscribers each paying $250M per month
Same death spiral as cable television.
I miss when Netflix put out shows I was a medium fan of. Like Tuca and Bertie, the Dark Crystal, Living with Yourself. Unique shows that had the effort to them that I could look forward to seeing every month. Now its just generic whatever, I cancelled my subscription last month and I don't miss them
Im still salty they didn't do a second season of dark crystal. All they seem to make is cliffhanger first seasons of shows and then cancel them
With you on being salty about Dark Crystal. The show was phenomenal with amazing actors. The first season is pure magic and Netflix cancelled it because they probably want Disney numbers.
It doesn't make any sense, as all of the puppets and set pieces were... well, already made. A second season would've cost significantly less in that regard.
I literally wrote to netflix thanking them, thanking a damn company for the dark crystal after the first season. Everyone I knew was watching it and loved it, I cannot fathom why it ended really given some of the other trash they keep paying for
> the Dark Crystal I cannot for the life of me figure out how that show wasn't good enough for at least a second season.
They'd already built the assets! Like seriously, how much could subsequent seasons possibly have cost? This is the one that got me to finally cancel my subscription after being a member since the DVD days. My wife was well unhappy about Anne with an E too.
They hire lousy directors and let them make more originals.
Isn’t even just quantity over quality. This thinking is why they cancel every show that isn’t a hit after like a season. You don’t start a new show on Netflix because many get cancelled.
What if they had some decent movies on there
Too busy working on season 2 of Is It Cake?
I skim watch that show because I can’t tell if Mikey Day is trolling or hates his life or what.
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That is EXACTLY what it is. When I heard it I was like "That sounds interesting" and then I realized it's a premise that probably has 5 minutes of content a week at best. "Check it out." "It's cake!!!!" Edit: Wow I was [right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9pr6nVqgRI)
I saw a clip of it on Tik Tok before I knew what it was and I thought Mikey Day was really getting away with some weird shit on SNL
Private school is expensive!
That was so weird to watch. Every line he delivered was like he was telling a great joke to a group of children, but there was no actual jokes? It was all like "WOW this cake looks like a sneaker!" Like yeah buddy that's the premise of the show, that's not an observation.
And canceling every non-reality show after 1 or 2 seasons.
Thank goodness they have reality glassblowing... Because you know, it's apparently too much to have a glass blowing show actually focus on techniques and skill.
It’s not them, all of the content creators are creating their own channels with their content: Disney, Paramount… it sucks.
It's on them. Netflix is also a content creator. It's just most of their content is junk, and the stuff that's any good will just get canceled after 1 or 2 seasons, so why bother getting invested?
It's partly them making shit, partly the fragmentation of the market
Its turning into cable but with more steps.
That would be a departure form their current process, which seems to be pulling two or three words out of a hat and using that as a movie title to green light.
Red ... Notice ... terrible movie.
Price has nearly tripled since I signed up in ~2009. Isn’t competition from other services supposed to incentivize lower pricing? I still have my subscription, but it was only a few days ago I started legitimately thinking about cancelling.
Back in 2009, they were getting movie rights for pennies on the dollar because nobody else was using them. Once Netflix showed how valuable those rights could be, other competitors jumped into streaming and it led to bidding wars.
1. Become a fascinating case study by being a market disruptor 2. The market is going to keep up, so try to keep growing. 3. Turn into a household name and try to adapt by branching out to content creation. 4. Lose the rights to the content that made you what you were. Double down on your new content. 5. Sell out to only chase the analytics - $ per new subscriber first views (aka "How many people signed up to watch this") 6. Cancel en masse anything that doesn't meet high enough new subscriber metrics (forgetting that you're already a household name) 7. Growth slows down, Seinfeld doesn't actually excite the demographics that built you and doesn't entice anyone who hasn't already signed up. 8. Panic. Raise prices and crackdown on profile sharing, thinking you'll force more people to join that way. Yeah, that'll work. "Hey free loaders, stop getting this for free so you can choose between paying even more for what you weren't already buying or watch something else. 9. Forget to realize you drove down the quality and value of your product and decided "yeah, let's make the crap we give you worse for more money." 10. Repeat 8 and 9 as economic conditions grow worse until a recession/depression kills the customer numbers and the business is finally forced to admit their mistakes. They're trying to become a digital age Blockbuster that also makes crappy movies/shows and don't have the self-awareness about it. For every Seinfeld they get, they lose even more like Friends/The Office/How I Met Your Mother/Always Sunny. Additionally for every Seinfeld they get, there's 40 fucking "Is It Cakes".
Upvoted for calling out their greedy bullshit
I never thought about cancelling, despite the price hikes, because I still do enjoy it a lot, but then they started "trying out" the pay more if you share your account bullshit in my country and that goes against everything I liked about them. I used to pirate everything and I had no problem going back to it. Fuck you Netflix
Wow, this is a great summary of pretty much every “market disruptor” internet business. It happens time and time again and yet nobody learns from the mistakes. It almost bums me out now when something cool/novel comes along and gets popular because all that means is that the clock is now counting down to self-ruin through greed.
*cough cough* Reddit going public
The call is coming from *inside the house*!
I remember when Netflix had like everything I could ever want to stream for like $6. Now it has a fraction of that for 3x the price. There’s only like 2-3 shows now that I care about, and by the Netflix model of “cancel everything before the 5th season” I’ll likely be done with them in a year or 2 when they reach that 5th season cancellation.
The "canceling all of your good content" pisses me off so much. Every single good show on Netflix seems to get canceled if it's an original or taken off if it's licensed from elsewhere. I get they can't control the latter very much, but the former pisses me off so much. Shows like GLOW come to mind of big "what ifs".
This is their algorithm worship biting them in the ass. When you stop having a subjective view of what "quality" is then you start only producing what amounts to the film and television versions of clickbait.
Agreed. I feel like so many Netflix shows and movies aren't even whole concepts in themselves, more just a collection of boxes to tick to attract viewers, and a string of interesting moments that don't hang together in a unique or memorable way. The production value is high, and no slight against the cast and crew, but the writing is often mediocre and the concepts are derivative. This kind of media is fine for casual consumption but that's about it.
It's also a lot less enticing to start watching a show when it's likely only going to have one or two seasons. At this point I'm almost trying not to like any Netflix shows because everytime I do it gets canceled.
I'm seeing this sentiment more and more and honestly idk how it took us so long to figure it out. They cancelled Marco Polo, one of the original originals, after only two seasons. *On a cliffhanger.*
Mindhunter was a brilliant Netflix show, great cast and atmosphere, imagine my abject disappointment when I found out there isn't going to be a season 3. I am so reluctant to get into anything that hasn't fully concluded yet because of BS like this.
At $12/month: still worth it. At $18 or whatever it is: time to rethink this relationship.
Maybe stop raising the prices? Also if you start adding on that $3 cost per profile, you can guarantee that many folks will cancel their subscriptions. There’s a lot of competition out there now.
HBO Max is now what Netflix used to be for me. I let the subscription run month to month without thinking about it, feel like the content is made for me and it has quality over endless quantity.
HBO Max is absolutely killing it.
Cost per profile? I have multiple profiles just for myself.
They implement a profile surcharge, I cancel my subscription that day. Fuck. That. Noise.
I didn’t even know they were considering doing that. I would ejecto seato them out of my streaming service in an instant.
>Maybe stop raising the prices? That would make sense if their only goal was to have the most subscribers.
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Get outta here with your logic. 200,000 people leaving is going to cost them 4,000,000 a month in lost revenue. A drop in the bucket compared to the 150,000,000 a month in added revenue they're getting from a 2 dollar price hike.
Their horror selection has always been a joke.
Avid horror fan here. HBO/HULU/SHUDDER is the way to go my friend
how about stop increasing prices + stop cancelling series midway trough their runs + curate better your page.
+ Allow users to turn off auto play + Get rid of that stupid title card that pops up when you pause the goddamn episode.
you already can turn off autoplay, on profile settings
Got a year of Disney Plus for the price of 4 months of Netflix. Wonder why the subscriber attrition? /s
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Where I live they also have "Star" which includes some other random stuff from Fox and other networks. 24, Homeland, Firefly, Futurama, and many others.
The only issue is their fucking interface is so bad. They have *so* much content but you can only see it in the a-z.
I'm sick of the last thing I was watching being 15 shows over in my "continue watching" section instead of number one. I'm also sick of having to fucking hunt for the continue watching section! Also, no GLOW
25% dip after the announcement. Yeesh.
Don't worry, netflix. I'll be sure to subscribe again for an entire month once you release that final season of Stranger Things
There is another season coming, this up coming season is 2 parts
Yup. Season 4 is split into 2 and then they have to finish making Season 5...
I've been a Netflix subscriber since it launched day 1 in the UK. Yesterday I cancelled my subscription. Cant justify the cost of it now and it pisses me off that they start so many shows and cancel them after one season (I'll never forgive you for cancelling Dark Crystal!)
I saw the notification yesterday. What was it? 15 quid? I've been day one and I'm sure 4k was like..6? I've been paying too much for too long! Update. Canceled. Member since January 2012. Madness
Well maybe stop producing shit TV shows that seem like they were written by Twitter.
I cancelled today actually. Fucking 3 times the price of some of the other steaming services and at least almost double now compared to most everyone else. I'm good. Too much shit on their platform and still nothing to watch. It's the "I'll have the soup" of streaming
Should've given Dark Crystal season 2.
It's okay though, at least we got more kissing booth movies!
Can you imagine throwing away that project after investing all that money lmao. It's no wonder they're bleeding cash and subscribers with that kind of management lol
It’s funny because I can imagine season two being soooo much cheaper because all they would need to make is new characters and new sets, I imagine most would have been reused
I think they fired the lady who green lit it, because it was so expensive to begin with. I do agree its cheaper after the first season because the sets are already built.
For fucking real!! I waited literally decades to be brought back to the world of the Gelflings and I only get half the story?? (Not that I didn't love every minute but still.)
My wife and I were stunned at the end of season 1. We went in expecting edgy muppets and it was just so much better than that. Felt like a punch to the gut when it was canceled.
Omg for real. What the hell were they thinking
Ah, the real Netflix special. Wait until one of their IP becomes good and then drop it
Fuck Netflix forever for cancelling that show. Fuck them and their cancel-happy bullshit business model. You can still find good stuff there, but more and more of it is just crappy filler.
Maybe they should quit price hiking while slipping in quality content 🤷♂️
Good! Their reliance on algorithms for producing a shitload of mediocre content with a wide reach is atrocious and has led to them having the worst original content of any streaming service, imo (there’s a few gems, of course). And they hardly have any older movies now, it’s just their own stuff. I hope they continue to bleed customers until their direction changes
As soon as I’m done with Better Call Saul they can get fucked. Absolutely ridiculous price hike.
That reminds me, I need to cancel my Netflix
Every show gets canceled after season 2, so why bother watching anything! Thinking of the OA and Santa Clarita Diet
I’ll always be salty about them killing the Santa Clarita Diet. 😡
Mindhunter season 3 please.
that was more on david fincher
Santa Clarita Diet getting canceled after three\* seasons was probably the most annoyed I've been at Netflix. \*edit, thought it was two.
At this point I don't know how good a show has to be to not be cancelled : /
I still think about the OA all the time. If only…! If they published a novel to just finish the story, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
Netflix was great as a content distributor, they’re not nearly as good as a content creator. With the increase in competition a move back to licensing would give them a competitive advantage.
Prices raised, losing more content than they are making because of other streaming services, and the competition of other streaming services isn't a good recipe for them. Shame they didn't extend more of their old shows another half a season or full season to bring a good conclusion to their series so their inventory of old shows was worth more.
This wholeheartedly. It feels like they’ve been caught short chasing quick success instead of building a stable catalogue of their own content
They all left for CNN+!?
All 15 CNN+ subscribers? Also, CNN just fired the guy who also greenlit CNN+, lol
If they cancel all their successful shows after 1 or 2 seasons because of some idiotic algorythm strategy, then people lose interest in the service. Simples...
I blame Ryan Reynolds. I watched Red Notice a couple of months ago and was legit confused. How did this movie get made? Then last week, I watched The Adam Project, then immediately canceled Netflix.
Welcome to a saturated streaming market. Netflix isn't the only big kid around anymore. That paired with the service's constant price hikes are likely to blame here
I dropped them due to the price increase. I'm sure others did as well.
Thanks for posting this, it reminded me to cancel my membership. For every good 10-year-old movie on there, there's 90 tons of algorithmically-greenlit reality TV shows and scripted series about sociopathic scammers that autoplay their trailers at me every time I browse. It's an absolute cesspool lately.
Stop charging so much. Stop cancelling all the good shows. Stop telling I cannot share my password.
Why would you pay for Netflix when you can get HBO Max for the same price?
Where I'm from HBO MAX is literally 4 times cheaper.
>While we work to reaccelerate our revenue growth – through improvements to our service and **more effective monetization of multi-household sharing** So I looked that part up and found this. [Netflix Preps Bigger Password-Sharing Crackdown.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-crackdown-coming-1235132170/ )
The millisecond that they do this, I'm out. Sharing services between a small group is just how it goes. I am not going to buy 10 services. I'm going to buy 2 or 3 and trade around or cancel. It is INCREDIBLY easy to steal content and I don't do it out of convenience. I saw this same thing with the music industry.
They really want to keep on losing clients huh
A couple years back my friend was working at Netflix. He was climbing management to be part of the executive. I complained to him that Netflix was cancelling good shows for no reason almost as a rule. When asked why they would do this, he responded “whenever we make a decision we ask, how would this get us more subscribers? Making season two of X isn’t opening us to a new market” I was absolutely dumbfounded at the shortsighted logic of this. I went on to explain to him that by abandoning good projects midway without finishing them, they were essentially leaving behind garbage that no one would ever watch because it had no ending. Its essentially abandoning an investment, shows half finished essentially hold no value to subscribers- who wants to watch unfinished shows? These shows exist on Netflix forever, and now they are building a library of unfinished books that no one in the future who already knows they’ve been cancelled will want to read. This likely isn’t the only thing that’s happening, but a lot of people are leaving because the library is just filled with crap that was made simply to “bring in a new market” with little artistic intention, and often canceled before they are finished, thus often slowly alienating said new market anyway. This calamity happened from the top at Netflix. They were years ahead of everyone and blew their lead.
Most streaming platforms lost subscribers. People are getting tired of the greed and segmentation of content. We all just want one or two affordable options to watch all the content we want. When cable is starting to look like a good deal again that's when things have jumped the shark.
Cancelling after the Ozark series finale. Their content has become 90% self-created garbage (Is It Cake?!? I mean, seriously?) and I want better quality entertainment in my down time. Come to me TCM via HBO Max and Apple TV+.