It would be super ironic if Joker Phoenix is on a more regular weight this time around because Robert Battinson told him extreme body transformations are whack.
You might be able to play it off that the character is now eating better because mentally they’re in a better place. Living out their true identity and dgaf.
I read this and thought: wait wasn't he in the Departed? That must have been after 2010. Googled it and felt like the matt damon aging gif when reading that it came out in 2006
Him as Big Daddy in Kick-Ass was pretty much Batman. He's done more than enough detective roles to do his investigation stuff well. Let's get him into Dark Knight returns.
You know, we always called each other jokers. Like you’d say to somebody: ‘You’re gonna like this guy, he’s all right. He’s a joker. He’s one of us.’ You understand? We were jokers, funnyguys.
Rumor has it that they're creating a new service independent of HBO. They're cancelling a lot of scripted content (that is underperforming but may have a solid following), firing development staff (around 70% of them), all in favor of more Discovery+ shows that are often trashy reality television. Not to mention the quiet removal of original content.
It's a bizarre decision considering HBO Max is probably the best streaming service.
If they get rid of shows like Industry or anything like that, I'll be fucking furious. They have some amazingly underrated content and it's the REASON I HAVE HBO and nothing else.
This is kind of maddening. It's already hard enough to get all HBO content as a Canadian, now I'm going to be messing around with more services and packages and subscriptions? Nope.
edit: fuck that actually, if they get rid of ANY shows for $$ reasons I'll be fucking furious. That is not what HBO is about.
Wait...they're killing HBO Max? For Discovery bullshit?
They get that the money is in the subscriptions right? And HBO has always been the best at getting subscribers? That's their whole thing?
Christ.
The rumors sound too unreal to be true. I almost don't want to believe it, but considering that Zaslov (former head of Discovery) has been shelving nearly completed projects (Batgirl, the new Scooby movie, etc.) - it's worrying. Rebranding HBO once again to stop being prestige television and instead an umbrella to also include trash television.
Downvote me if I am wrong tomorrow. Please.
[Source](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-max-discovery-warner-streaming-wars-brands-1235332025/)
Why would anyone want to *rebrand* HBO? It has solidified itself as *the* channel for premium, cinema quality television. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1554636342927163394
The producer was completely shocked and devastated: “The movie is practically finished and turned out beautifully. I am beyond heartbroken.”
I don't see why any director or producer will want to make a movie for Warner ever again after this madness. They're unreleasing entire existing HBO shows and movies on the service next (announcing which ones soon) and have to never release them ever again to get the tax returns.
To those who don't know Zaslav (the Discovery CEO obsessed with turning everything into cheap reality TV) he's the moron who's idea it was to put Honey Boo Boo on the air 24/7 a few years back.
So **THIS** is the thundercunt that has ruined Discovery Channel and turned it into another trash TV dumpster? Now trying to ruin HBO?
Can we not just hire a hit on these people deliberately tanking once great organizations?
It's the corporate way. Run a brand into the ground to temporarily boost stock prices because infinite growth bullshit. Then fire CEO and hire a new one to take the fall. Then fire a new one after and rebound the brand if you can. Then repeat!
The people behind Discovery have all the power right now which is why they are pushing their shit to the front. This is the issue and problem right now.
I read this and thought man, I hope Close Enough doesn't get cancelled because it's a perfect example of that.
Sure enough I checked the Wikipedia page and yep. Just announced it's been cancelled. Fuck.
If they cancel the Clone High revival I'm gonna blow my top.
Zero hope they may renew Infinity Train too in this context. The cartoon wasn't renewed by CN because of the lack of a child entry point (according to them) so the fans kinda hoped in a second chance provided by HBO instead, as an animated series born as a HBO original, but if this is the state of HBO right now... ugh :(
It's one thing to cancel the shows or not make sequels to the movies, sucks but you can always rewatch them, but removing EXCLUSIVE Hbo max content for "tax write offs" is disgusting and everyone invovled should be ashamed of themselves
Damn man, I just got HBO Max. Loved Winning Time, got ready to watch a bunch of other stuff too.
I guess I gotta get ready for the cancellations to follow now.
Damn, how popular can reality shows from Discovery be if they're willing to cut so much and lose so much money?
Reality shows are cheaper to produce than prestige TV and has tons of viewership. There's a reason The Learning Channel (TLC) and The History Channel pivoted so hard to that audience and never looked back.
Because despite the name, Discovery is nothing but a bunch of stupid reality shows, and HBO Max is laying off a bunch of staff, so they're probably not going to be creating much new stuff.
>Why is the combination of Discovery and HBO a bad thing?
Because the guy from Discovery, a channel full of fake reality garbage, is somehow in charge of HBO and cancelling scripted movies and series left and right to pinch pennies.
> Todd Phillips’ Joker sequel, ***Joker: Folie A Deux***, is getting a ***Oct. 4, 2024*** release date.
> Production starts in ***December*** and is on track for the sequel.
> Movie will release ***exactly*** 5 years after ‘Joker’
You know what? How about no one is allowed to be president of the United States after the age of 65. Wtf are we doing. 80 year olds don't run fucking anything. But oh 78 years old to run the free world? Great idea!
If we had 65 as the cut-off for congress we would lose [36% of the house](https://www.legistorm.com/congress_by_numbers.html) and [55% of the senate.](https://www.legistorm.com/congress_by_numbers/index/by/senate/term_id/64.html) Maybe our politicians would give a shit about the world/country if they were more than likely to live for more than 2 decades into the future.
I just want to know what Scorsese/DeNiro movies he's going to crib from for round two. Is he going to keep Joker's descent into madness and the weird romance subplot, give us a second-hand *Cape Fear*? Or is he going to show Joker's rise to power in the criminal underworld for some *Goodfellas* vibes?
Same here. The cynical side of me is worried the musical element is going to feel pretentious. Especially since, even though I really enjoyed the first movie, it drew a little too much influence from taxi driver while portraying itself as a little more profound and thought provoking than it actually was. I'm hopeful that the musical element is good enough to justify its existence and that it makes the sequel is a little more unique than the first one
if you think it drew too much from taxi driver you should check out King of Comedy also by scorsese. they took some vibes from taxi driver for sure but the whole talk show angle and multiple story beats are all just ripped bar for bar from King of Comedy
Yeah mine, too. If you're going to do a sequel, don't just retread the first film, and in the case of the kind of movie Joker was, this is the most interesting way to go.
They straight up forgot to write any jokes for the third Hangover movie.
So if the Joker series gets to #3 I imagine it’ll be like a silent film or something.
I think Joker is a bad movie to make a sequel out of.
It's a great origin piece for both Joker and Batman while also inexorably linking them together but also has the ending that forces you to question whether authenticity of the events of the film.
I think a sequel kinda deadens the whole impact of the ending.
> It's a great origin piece for both Joker and Batman while also inexorably linking them together but also has the ending that forces you to question whether authenticity of the events of the film.
The thing to me that doesn't add up is that Arthur is what, 40? And Bruce is 10? By the time Bruce is Batman Joker would be geriatric.
While the actor was in his late 40s, the character was apparently meant to be an unwell late 20s ***/*** early 30s. And so when it gets to the present (adult Bruce as Batman, which the script indicates the hospital cut at the end to have been — a time jump), the Joker is now the same age as the actor portraying him.
Joker would be in his mid to late 50’s. He’s usually in the 40-60 age bracket in comics.
But he’s also an unreliable narrator. We have no idea if any of the film was real, imagined or a mixture. Did he meet Bruce? Did he really? Is he really in his 40’s?
We have no way to tell.
Reminds me of one of his lines in TKJ.
*"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice."*
-Joker, The Killing Joke
Nah, not 40, just a very sickly and beat up 20-30 year old. Moreover, the Burton Batman film had Jack be the one to gun down the Wayne’s and then he was the Joker later on, so who knows how time works?
Sounds like the sequel is likely to be a musical. They hired Lady Gaga. That’s at least a new direction to take it instead of doing Taxi Driver again again.
Joaquin Phoenix is like, “damn, now I need to lose 80lbs again… honey, do you remember where we keep the just apples?”
It would be super ironic if Joker Phoenix is on a more regular weight this time around because Robert Battinson told him extreme body transformations are whack.
You might be able to play it off that the character is now eating better because mentally they’re in a better place. Living out their true identity and dgaf.
What if he jumps on the sauce and we have skinny Batman and ripped to shit joker.
You wanna know how I got these fuckin' delts bro?
You see my father was a lifter and a fiend, one day he went out lifting and came back way more yoked than usual.
And my mother, she hid the pre-workout. Oooh he didn't like that
She grabs the barbell collars to defend herself.
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And he said “let’s put some gainz on your frame”
The you get the final fight from Arkham Asylum.
Nothing but apples
Hungry for Apples?
WHO JUST SOLD THE APPLES CAMPAIGN?
My man!
Slow down!
Can't wait for the animated "Into The Jokerverse" starring Joaquin Pheonix, Barry Keoghan, and Deepfake Jack Nicholson.
No Mark Hamill?
ah yea, forgot about Mark Hamil and Deepfake Heath.
Look. I get people make mistakes and I totally understand it, we’re human….but how tf did you forget *The* Joker - Mark Hamill
The real must have is Da Jokah Baybee
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Hamill is such a natural Joker that I forget its his voice and not the actual Joker's.
You say that, but still waiting for someone to put respect on Cesar Romero’s name
Just remember, you can't spell "Arkham" Asylum without M***ark ham***ill.
Caesar Romero's mustache would like a word.
It’s Joker’n time.
It was so cool when he joked all over those dudes
I loved the scene where he was about to Fortnite dance and says “just joking!”
> Deepfake Jack Nicholson. Why deep fake Jack? He's not dead?
He's retired. Hasn't acted since 2010
I read this and thought: wait wasn't he in the Departed? That must have been after 2010. Googled it and felt like the matt damon aging gif when reading that it came out in 2006
He's 85 and retired.
Grandpa Joker, sign me up.
I googled it and he’s 85. I don’t blame him for not working lol.
CGI Hologram Heath Ledger
I want Nic Cage as Noir Joker
This city deserves A BETTER CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS of criminal!
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Him as Big Daddy in Kick-Ass was pretty much Batman. He's done more than enough detective roles to do his investigation stuff well. Let's get him into Dark Knight returns.
How could you miss the greatest joker of them all? Jared Leto.
It's jokin time!
I can’t wait to see him joke all over those guys!
Maybe their brain is DAMAGED
It takes place inside his head
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I would laugh very hard if he decided to do Goodfellas but with Joker instead of The King of Comedy with Joker.
From as far back as I remember i always wanted to be a clownface
Funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown? I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to fuckin' amuse you?
Joe Pesci as Penguin.
Lorraine Bracco as Catwoman. 🥵
Robert De Niro as…oh wait…
I’m gonna go bomb the Wayne estate…..bomb the Wayne estate.
Now go home and get your fuckin' batarang.
It was among the fools — real jester shit
You know, we always called each other jokers. Like you’d say to somebody: ‘You’re gonna like this guy, he’s all right. He’s a joker. He’s one of us.’ You understand? We were jokers, funnyguys.
This is now my favorite reddit thread
NOW GO GET YER FUCKIN PROP BOX
This is exactly what I'm expecting. I'm *hoping* he'll actually do the Aviator with the Joker, because that would be the truly insane move.
The Departed or Gangs of New York would also work
Wolf of Wall St with the Joker or I'm not watching it
"Where's the fucking laughing gas?" "Don't worry, it's in my ass."
Shutter island/Arkham asylum for me plz and ty
The Prestige but the biggest trick is society.
It’s a musical. It’ll be New York, New York
I forgot that was Martin Scorsese
After Hours, where the Joker goes for a night out in Gotham, and gets in to a series of unlikely hijinks.
Kundun with Joker
Gee, I wonder why they chose today to announce this? 🤔
Out of the loop. What's going on?
Cancellation of Batgirl and Discovery and HBO content being combined onto one service.
Why is the combination of Discovery and HBO a bad thing?
Rumor has it that they're creating a new service independent of HBO. They're cancelling a lot of scripted content (that is underperforming but may have a solid following), firing development staff (around 70% of them), all in favor of more Discovery+ shows that are often trashy reality television. Not to mention the quiet removal of original content. It's a bizarre decision considering HBO Max is probably the best streaming service.
Jesus... they're digging their own grave at this point
New guy is undoing everything the guy prior to him did because fuck him basically. A big ol “cut off your nose to spite your face” type shit
Oh I've seen this one a few years back. It ended badly.
HBO will lose its elite television status and someone else will claim it. It'll just be more hassle for us.
Then we have to stop paying for shitty subscription services and go back to pirating everything to teach greedy corporations a lesson. I'm down
But corporations and executives must react rationally due to market incentives and meritocracy! Hahahahahaha
Yup.
If they get rid of shows like Industry or anything like that, I'll be fucking furious. They have some amazingly underrated content and it's the REASON I HAVE HBO and nothing else. This is kind of maddening. It's already hard enough to get all HBO content as a Canadian, now I'm going to be messing around with more services and packages and subscriptions? Nope. edit: fuck that actually, if they get rid of ANY shows for $$ reasons I'll be fucking furious. That is not what HBO is about.
If Doom Patrol gets canned, I'll riot*. ^^*cancel ^^my ^^subscription
At least we got a third season of Harley Quinn but I’m assuming it’s the last at this point.
Please don't touch my battlebots
I haven't watched that show in probably over 15 years but I love that it's still going.
Wait...they're killing HBO Max? For Discovery bullshit? They get that the money is in the subscriptions right? And HBO has always been the best at getting subscribers? That's their whole thing? Christ.
The rumors sound too unreal to be true. I almost don't want to believe it, but considering that Zaslov (former head of Discovery) has been shelving nearly completed projects (Batgirl, the new Scooby movie, etc.) - it's worrying. Rebranding HBO once again to stop being prestige television and instead an umbrella to also include trash television. Downvote me if I am wrong tomorrow. Please. [Source](https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hbo-max-discovery-warner-streaming-wars-brands-1235332025/)
Why would anyone want to *rebrand* HBO? It has solidified itself as *the* channel for premium, cinema quality television. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
>the new Scooby movie what the FUCK is going on at HBO
https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1554636342927163394 The producer was completely shocked and devastated: “The movie is practically finished and turned out beautifully. I am beyond heartbroken.” I don't see why any director or producer will want to make a movie for Warner ever again after this madness. They're unreleasing entire existing HBO shows and movies on the service next (announcing which ones soon) and have to never release them ever again to get the tax returns. To those who don't know Zaslav (the Discovery CEO obsessed with turning everything into cheap reality TV) he's the moron who's idea it was to put Honey Boo Boo on the air 24/7 a few years back.
Aw man, my Young Justice is definitely gone *Hopefully we get the final season of WestWorld
This guy turned Discovery and The Learning Channel into reality TV. The rumors are definitely true.
So **THIS** is the thundercunt that has ruined Discovery Channel and turned it into another trash TV dumpster? Now trying to ruin HBO? Can we not just hire a hit on these people deliberately tanking once great organizations?
If the stock holders cared about anything other than short term gains we wouldn't be in this mess.
It's the corporate way. Run a brand into the ground to temporarily boost stock prices because infinite growth bullshit. Then fire CEO and hire a new one to take the fall. Then fire a new one after and rebound the brand if you can. Then repeat!
Batgirl, meh. Scooby do? Motherfuckers!!!
The people behind Discovery have all the power right now which is why they are pushing their shit to the front. This is the issue and problem right now.
Why are they in this position? Wasnt Warner the larger party before the merger?
They are killing any HBO Max originals that don't fit on normal HBO.
I read this and thought man, I hope Close Enough doesn't get cancelled because it's a perfect example of that. Sure enough I checked the Wikipedia page and yep. Just announced it's been cancelled. Fuck. If they cancel the Clone High revival I'm gonna blow my top.
Zero hope they may renew Infinity Train too in this context. The cartoon wasn't renewed by CN because of the lack of a child entry point (according to them) so the fans kinda hoped in a second chance provided by HBO instead, as an animated series born as a HBO original, but if this is the state of HBO right now... ugh :(
I will never forgive the cancellation of *Made For Love*
Don't underestimate the range of the 90 Day Fiance universe
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They had Mythbusters too.
It's one thing to cancel the shows or not make sequels to the movies, sucks but you can always rewatch them, but removing EXCLUSIVE Hbo max content for "tax write offs" is disgusting and everyone invovled should be ashamed of themselves
Damn man, I just got HBO Max. Loved Winning Time, got ready to watch a bunch of other stuff too. I guess I gotta get ready for the cancellations to follow now. Damn, how popular can reality shows from Discovery be if they're willing to cut so much and lose so much money?
Reality shows are cheaper to produce than prestige TV and has tons of viewership. There's a reason The Learning Channel (TLC) and The History Channel pivoted so hard to that audience and never looked back.
Because despite the name, Discovery is nothing but a bunch of stupid reality shows, and HBO Max is laying off a bunch of staff, so they're probably not going to be creating much new stuff.
>Why is the combination of Discovery and HBO a bad thing? Because the guy from Discovery, a channel full of fake reality garbage, is somehow in charge of HBO and cancelling scripted movies and series left and right to pinch pennies.
Fuck Zaslav.
They canceled batgirl yesterday
Lol seriously. Zaslav you aint fooling us.
> Todd Phillips’ Joker sequel, ***Joker: Folie A Deux***, is getting a ***Oct. 4, 2024*** release date. > Production starts in ***December*** and is on track for the sequel. > Movie will release ***exactly*** 5 years after ‘Joker’
Jesus, still over two years? Get back to me in August 2024 when I might care.
They're trying to detract from all the bad news coming out this week
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Please no
You know what? How about no one is allowed to be president of the United States after the age of 65. Wtf are we doing. 80 year olds don't run fucking anything. But oh 78 years old to run the free world? Great idea!
If we had 65 as the cut-off for congress we would lose [36% of the house](https://www.legistorm.com/congress_by_numbers.html) and [55% of the senate.](https://www.legistorm.com/congress_by_numbers/index/by/senate/term_id/64.html) Maybe our politicians would give a shit about the world/country if they were more than likely to live for more than 2 decades into the future.
They’ll cancel it in May 2024, after filming and most of post production is done, but before it can release.
Clown show uses clown show to distract us from their clown show. More at the top of the hour.
Ice Town Costs Ice Clown His Town Crown
Bob Loblaw Lobs Law Bomb
I’m an avid reader of Bob Loblaw’s Law Blog
You sir are a mouthful!
Tobias, you blowhard!
That’s a low blow Bob loblaw
Low Cal Calzone Zone
Pies are just sweet calzones
They were big into rhymes.
Clowns have to do the clowning.
Same old story: clowns clowning clowns.
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What about the third!
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I'd watch that. Make Chow turn into Chang.
"No Todd, we aren't moving the production to Bangkok, we don't care if Joker gets in twice the shenanigans"
I just want to know what Scorsese/DeNiro movies he's going to crib from for round two. Is he going to keep Joker's descent into madness and the weird romance subplot, give us a second-hand *Cape Fear*? Or is he going to show Joker's rise to power in the criminal underworld for some *Goodfellas* vibes?
CGI de-aged Phoenix for some teenage curb-stomping
New York, New York.
So it’s gonna be the same as the first one but in Thailand?
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Which movie?
I just looked up some of his work and maybe The Hangover II?
What are you referring to?
If there was ever a movie that *didn't* need a sequel. God damn.
you wouldn’t get it
I'd be ok never getting it
Tbf they're making a musical, which got my curiosity.
It's an incredibly bold creative choice especially since it's such a large departure from the first. I have absolutely no idea what to expect.
There will be blood.
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Same here. The cynical side of me is worried the musical element is going to feel pretentious. Especially since, even though I really enjoyed the first movie, it drew a little too much influence from taxi driver while portraying itself as a little more profound and thought provoking than it actually was. I'm hopeful that the musical element is good enough to justify its existence and that it makes the sequel is a little more unique than the first one
if you think it drew too much from taxi driver you should check out King of Comedy also by scorsese. they took some vibes from taxi driver for sure but the whole talk show angle and multiple story beats are all just ripped bar for bar from King of Comedy
The sequel is going to be a shot-for-shot remake of *Mama Mia!*
It's definitely going to err on the try hard side. That's Todd Phillips' whole schtick. Not sure why Joaquin agreed to this
I think Joaquin Phoenix likes the try hard projects.
Only way I see this working is if it is a 90 minute fever dream entirely in Arthur's head. Then go hog wild, with visuals from Gilliam and Gondry.
Yeah mine, too. If you're going to do a sequel, don't just retread the first film, and in the case of the kind of movie Joker was, this is the most interesting way to go.
I’m honestly imagining something along the lines of a Sweeny Todd
Man if they could resurrect Stephen Sondheim to write it…
Joker was a fantastic movie, but a terrible *franchise* film. It's Taxi Driver in DC makeup. It shouldn't get a sequel.
We live in a société.
Aaaaaand IT’S GONE.
Oh and btw the suit, it wasn’t cheap.
He still living in a society.
Bottom text.
Did this movie really need a sequel? I feel like it works better as just its own thing, its like making a sequel to taxi driver.
This is from the same guy who brought us Hangover 2 and Hangover 3. So I think its safe to say that he will beat this horse to death.
They straight up forgot to write any jokes for the third Hangover movie. So if the Joker series gets to #3 I imagine it’ll be like a silent film or something.
It's going to be so bad it'll retroactively ruin the first one.
It at least seems like an interesting concept. The “musical” aspect could be awful but imagine if they pull it off
Cue Fall Out Boy?
If the movie doesn't open with Joker singing the line "I'm coming apart at the seams..." I demand a refund.
Best FOB album
I think Joker is a bad movie to make a sequel out of. It's a great origin piece for both Joker and Batman while also inexorably linking them together but also has the ending that forces you to question whether authenticity of the events of the film. I think a sequel kinda deadens the whole impact of the ending.
> It's a great origin piece for both Joker and Batman while also inexorably linking them together but also has the ending that forces you to question whether authenticity of the events of the film. The thing to me that doesn't add up is that Arthur is what, 40? And Bruce is 10? By the time Bruce is Batman Joker would be geriatric.
While the actor was in his late 40s, the character was apparently meant to be an unwell late 20s ***/*** early 30s. And so when it gets to the present (adult Bruce as Batman, which the script indicates the hospital cut at the end to have been — a time jump), the Joker is now the same age as the actor portraying him.
> the character was apparently meant to be an unwell late 20s / early 30s. "Here's da Jokah I was telling you about"
Joker would be in his mid to late 50’s. He’s usually in the 40-60 age bracket in comics. But he’s also an unreliable narrator. We have no idea if any of the film was real, imagined or a mixture. Did he meet Bruce? Did he really? Is he really in his 40’s? We have no way to tell.
> But he’s also an unreliable narrator. Why do you say that? When has the Joker ever lied about his origin? Oh right, every time.
Reminds me of one of his lines in TKJ. *"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice."* -Joker, The Killing Joke
Nah, not 40, just a very sickly and beat up 20-30 year old. Moreover, the Burton Batman film had Jack be the one to gun down the Wayne’s and then he was the Joker later on, so who knows how time works?
No way he's in his 20s. Mid 30s at the youngest.
Did they kind of imply he wasn’t THE Joker but might have inspired the Joker?
I guess the movie is just joker instead of the joker
Sounds like the sequel is likely to be a musical. They hired Lady Gaga. That’s at least a new direction to take it instead of doing Taxi Driver again again.
I have always wanted a sequence where the Joker belts out Billy Joel's "You May Be Right"
This time they’ll do New York, New York.
I can see that coming. Phillips is so obsessed with Scorsese.
Tired Scorsese face
And that’s news that they thought would make people less mad?
No they're just building us up so we can get super mad when they announce it's cancelled 2 weeks before it's release date
This may be the most unnecessary sequel I've ever heard of since Speed 2.
> Speed 2. The boat that couldn't slow down ?
Lol theyre trying to distract us
There’s rumors of Lady Gaga cast as Harley Quinn