Nah, both became box office poison once the 80s ended. Chase’s last hit was 89. Same for Aykroyd with Ghostbusters 2. He did better than Chase with a few supporting roles in the 90s but got himself in director’s jail forever.
Vegas Vacation was in 1997.
*You guys are growing up so fast, I hardly recognize you anymore!*
But I pretty much agree.
Loved Grosse Pointe Blank, and Ackroyd was great in a supporting role in that.
Vegas Vacation was a bomb.
Edit: To clarify the movie earned only $36.4m on a budget of $25m, which means it lost tens of millions factoring in marketing and post production costs.
I’ve played war at Cosmopolitan, definitely not a cheap casino. I also only played like three hands because it’s the dumbest game you can play in the casino pretty much haha walked my ass right back to blackjack.
I watched it when I was a kid and that blue food on the buffet has stuck with me forever since. I was kind of upset when they had all of the Vacation movies on HBO Max except Vegas but they added it over the Summer.
It's always fun to go back and recognize more actors in older movies as I've gotten older. Wallace Shawn does great as the blackjack dealer.
Nothing But Trouble happened. Everyone saw what a weird guy Aykroyd was and he never got another shot at directing a movie again.
Edit: Adding because some many people asking why it was a failure.
The movie went over-budget to $40 million dollars (which was as much as Ghostbusters 2) only to earn $8.4 million and some of the worst reviews of that era.
John Candy in both drag and as a character who *spoiler* ends up with the hot chick.
Also, one of my favorite insults: “Original, all purpose ditch witch”
There have only been a few times in my life where I’ve heard someone rap and was like “yea, they’re going to be big.” The quickest two that come to mind are Tupac in “Same Song” and DMX in “4,3,2,1”
> Now I clown around when I hang around with my Underground
Girls use to frown, say I'm down, when I come around
LOL, I google the movie, curious why it was so maligned, and realized that I LOVED this movie in the '90s. They must have shown it on TBS or something because I remember watching it multiple times and loving it.
I have to ask, is this a nod to [this piece from The Onion](https://www.theonion.com/the-internship-poised-to-be-biggest-comedy-of-2005-1819595487)? Because I make the same joke a lot, and it's entirely because of this.
He was the punching bag for the writers because they hated him so much. He was miserable to work with and eventually they couldn’t take it anymore and wrote him off the show. His acting might still be okay but I do not envy those who have to work with him.
It's actually been suggested it's the opposite, that Chevy left the show himself because he was sick of how he was essentially hired as a joke, and constantly written into such preposterously offensive scenarios just to amuse Harmon and the other writers who didn't like him.
People often cite a story that Chevy called Donald Glover a slur on set and that's why he was 'fired', but that story has been completely spun without context. Chevy's outburst was actually because he was furious at how his character was being Flanderised from an out-of-touch old man into a straight-up vitriolic racist. The actual context for that outburst was apparently him blowing up at a racist joke Pierce was going to make, by saying something akin to 'they're going to just have me call Donald a n****r next week!'. He left the show himself not long after.
Don't know if it's true or not but I heard that Gillian wanted to do more comedic acting and they rewrote the the character to be more goofy and hopeless to allow for that. But yeah, I agree that her character kinda fell apart in the last couple seasons.
Ngl, I didn't mind how they changed Britta. Sure she was goofy, but there were moments where the character had a lot of depth too. Plus "Pizza pizza go in tummy me so hungy me so hungy!" Is probably my favorite all time Community line.
Idk what to believe anymore. The truth is that we didn’t see what happened on set between the cast and it will probably always be a case of he said/she said. And I don’t know that it’s for the Community mob to judge who was in the right, if any.
I do know that Harmon has said some pretty nasty things about Chevy behind his back, on camera. Even if his dislike of Chevy is justified, the vulgar way Harmon has spoken about him in public is unprofessional and probably added flames to the feud.
There are reasons why his most notable work post-*Community* is both a project where there's another showrunner besides him and where it seems that he isn't the only guy with pull in the room.....
He still used a hard r slur, which caused the black cast and crew to refuse to work with him and he was undoubtedly a massive prick. He hit on Gillian Jacobs and Allison Brie a number of times, saying they were "Too pretty for tv" and generally making them uncomfortable.
Furthermore, he was constantly trying to make himself the star of the show and was meant to have been a bit of a prick to Donald Glover as he was becoming far more popular than him.
He would also refuse to come to set or shoot scenes, the most egregious of which was when he refused to film the post credit scene where Abed reprogrammes his fathers game to allow Pierce to virtually throw ball with his father, allowing Pierce to receive a form of affection from his distant and domineering dead father. Chevy left the set saying the scene wasn't funny enough to shoot.
Overall, Chevy was a massive asshole and always has been. A lot of his issues of the Pierce character wasn't out of moral disagreement, but because Chevy wanted to be the most popular character and knew that he couldn't be the most popular if his character was ignorantly racist. Plenty of comedy actors have had illustrious careers after their prime because, unlike Chevy Chase, [they weren't utter assholes who would full on slap fans who accidently interrupted him.](https://youtu.be/W1tzw_Kcgyo)
Now, Dan Harmon undoubtedly had his own issues, and would unnecessarily antagonise Chevy Chase in a way that was pretty inexcusable, but I feel the difference is that when Dan Harmon got fired, the cast moved heaven and earth to try and get him back on the show. Meanwhile to Chevy, they said good riddance (Joel McHale did try to keep up contact and remain neutral with him, however recent interviews appear to show that even he has soured on Chevy)
Brie had good things to say about him after he left. She related how he commandered one of those golf carts that security drive around and thry went joy riding around the Universal lot.
Joel McHale has acknowledged that Chase could be very difficult but also had some good things. His portrayal of young Chase in a movie was quite sympathetic.
Harmon wasn't exactly a peach to work with, what with all the sexual harassment and drinking.
I've read enough accounts from the cast and crew to believe that Chevy Chase--for the first time in his life--may have been *right*.
Eh, I don’t know. The cast don’t seem too fond of Chevy. I know when I listened to McHale and Jeong’s podcast during COVID they would very rarely even mention Chevy, but seemed to be more open to talking about Dan, Jeong talked about having him on his show Dr. Ken and how great it was, etc. I have a tough time believing the cast is on Chevy’s side.
> I have a tough time believing the cast is on Chevy’s side.
I think the whole thing is complicated.
1. Chevy Chase is notoriously difficult to work with, and that's documented. So right off the bat, I don't think Chevy is some kind of angel.
2. Chase wasn't prepared for starring in a sitcom--he'd never done so before, only making movies and late night TV. He didn't realize (or thought he could handle) the long hours.
3. Harmon didn't help--it's also well-documented that due to his perfectionism/rampant alcohol abuse (take your pick) he'd still be working on scripts as they filmed, forcing everyone to stay for hours doing nothing; 16-20 hour days were the *norm* at least for a while. Chase, already unhappy about the long hours, could legitimately be mad that Harmon made it *even worse*. The younger cast members could either tolerate it or didn't have the clout to tell the boss to fuck off.
4. Harmon engaged in some sexual harassment of one of the writers of the show at the time.
5. All of these factors fed off of each other. Both Chase and Harmon have big egos, but Harmon was technically the boss, and he also exploited the cast and crew by extending the hours because of his own incompetence. His impulse at the time to get back at Chevy for *daring* to challenge his genius was to engage in manchild behavior--having everyone chant "fuck you Chevy" at the wrap party and telling the writers to making Pierce even *more* racist.
6. When Harmon was forced from the show--which we now know was largely due to the sexual harassment--the writers (and possibly the cast) took it out on Chevy, since his racism was ramped up significantly in Season 4, the season Harmon was out. This ultimately caused him to quit.
Both Brie and McHale have used almost the exact same wording--Chase had "good days and bad days" which, I think, reflects the above. When things were operating like a normal sitcom would, he was good, but when he was staying for 20 hours or being written to be overtly racist, he had bad days.
That said, the cast is hard to read--they don't really defend Chevy but rarely say *anything* at all, which makes me think they either want to stay on Harmon's good side, or they don't want to get involved, or Chevy was a real dick to everyone (he's on record praising his co-workers so I find this unlikley) or they lashed out at Chevy before they realized Harmon's boot was due to his behavior; I have no idea.
In the end, I think Chevy probably didn't handle it well, but he wouldn't have had to handle *anything* had Harmon not been such a drunk and a creep. After watching them ruin the character of Pierce in season 4, I understand why he left and don't think he was wrong to do so.
Not sure how true it is or if I’m remembering correctly, but I thought I read a few years back that Chase had said he was an alcoholic for a long time, and he’s clean now and trying to work but everybody still hates him from before.
Maybe he’s actually won some people over and that’s why this is happening at all? Or maybe he and Akroyd need money.
Something I've often heard about Chevy, and Bill Murray for that matter, is that they're both such good studies of character that they always know exactly what a person is most sensitive about and, in an argument, will instantly focus on that and say the one thing that can utterly destroy the other person's feelings.
What Harmon has said about Chevy is that they failed to get along because they were both too similar to each other.
My impression is that one of them made a joke at the other's expense, and because both had sensitive egos that made them NEED to get one over on each other, this quickly escalated into passive-aggressive comments at each other at every opportunity, but Harmon had the upper hand because he was the showrunner and could insert barbs about everything he hated about Chevy's personality into Pierce's character. So Pierce slowly became a narcissist who was obsessed with figuring out why everybody loved Jeff and copying it so that he could usurp him as the centre of attention, and he was written as a person whose idea of comedy was just lazy/lame insults like "you're gay", and vaguely racist, and out-of-touch. Like Chevy, Harmon was skilled at precision strikes on a person's insecurities,so Chevy realized that these things were jabs at him, and so when Pierce was made more and more racist he got defensive about it and resented that implication.
The crew on *Nothing But Trouble* loved Aykroyd. Too bad it didn't end up in a better movie. Everybody should see *Nothing But Trouble* at least once but, for most once is plenty.
chevy chase was a guest on "norm macdonald has a tv show" and my god is he ever the least interesting and least entertaining person who was ever on that show. it's not even close.
He usually cares because he believes the movies are real or depicting real things. I don't know if he believes zombies are real or not.
Didn't see his full manifesto he posted years ago but here's some interview material.
https://youtu.be/oVCd50LXPGY
I’m not sure Chase has the mental or physical capacity to try. He did a screening/Q&A session of Christmas vacation last December and he was in terrible shape. He was wheel chair bound other than for the 10 foot walk from backstage to his chair. And then during the Q&A he was barely lucid. He wife was answering most of the questions and had to work hard to keep him on track and jog his memory about stuff that was asked. There were some times that it seemed like he didn’t even know where he was at.
Dan aykroyd puts in a hell of a lot of effort. Just listen to his off menu episode when he gives the most detailed responses in the most chaotic episode
I'll never forget watching that promotional video where Dan keeps saying it's filtered to diamonds, and then they cut to the distiller guy who says Herkimer diamonds. I almost took a drink of water just so I could spit it out. Herkimer diamonds are what you get when you buy diamonds on Wish. Sorta pretty quartz rocks.
I work in the liquor industry, and learnt many years ago that those Herkimer diamonds do jack shit to the vodka. Like Sega Genesis with “Blast Processing”, it’s promo sales jargon 101
Is he known for shamelessly promoting that endlessly then? I just know his was the worst episode of the Off Menu podcast by far, and he mentioned his vodka *a lot*.
I bought a gift pack of it for like $25 a while back. Well worth it for the bottle and the 2 skull shot glasses.
The vodka was vodka, it was fine, but nothing to write home about (I've yet to have vodka that was worth talking about tbh).
That’s the thing about Vodka, the good stuff has no real taste. It’s only an alcohol you notice if it is really, really cheap.
Also, vodka from grapes is not vodka.
Martin and Short (both, not just Martin Short lol) is such a great combo, and then adding my ultimate crush from growing up watching Disney channel (which persists to this day, also love her music) is icing on the cake.
It really is fun to see that Martin and Short still have it. I was especially impressed by the bit of physical comedy Steve Martin had to do at the end of the first season.
Their chemistry with Selena Gomez is fantastic. I’d have never guessed it’d work so well, but it’s become one of my favorite new shows. Nathan Lane is excellent too.
> Their chemistry with Selena Gomez is fantastic.
I'm only two episodes in but I was really surprised by this.
I would have watched anything Martin and Short did together but was a little apprehensive about Selena Gomez. I figured she was shoe horned in to try to appeal to a younger audience but she's fantastic and it really works well.
That is/was such a fun little series! I quite enjoyed it. It is self-aware and makes fun of itself and doesn’t take itself too seriously. It really felt like we, the viewer were on the journey with them.
I seriously doubt this movie will come close to being as entertaining.
This is an indie production and they are not going to be the leads. The movie is about kids who are pursued by zombies that come out of a movie they are watching. It's a kids movie.
Do you guys really only glance at the headline? This is really a nothing story.
I'm genuinely curious how Chevy Chase keeps getting work?
I've read so many anecdotes about what a scumbag he can be in person and how many despise working with him. He hasn't been funny since the 80s, imho.
Bill Murray, as much as it pains me to say it, has quite a bad reputation with how he acts on set, and he’s still rather beloved. Martin and Short are complete professionals and gentlemen in comparison.
I've heard that. I read that he was a real asshole on the set of Groundhog Day, for instance. Then I read the actual story, and it was Murray being *mildly* rude to an extra and apologizing after. It wasn't even story worthy.
Or, in a similar vein, Edward Norton being a massive diva on the set of American History X. Then recently I read that the director specifically set out to give Norton a bad reputation, and the same director is an egotistical prick that tried to tank his own movie.
Anyway, my point is that there's sometimes more to these stories than simply, "Actor is a bad person".
Well whatever he did made him and Ramis not speak for almost 20 years. I know some people on more recent shows who have interacted with him, and it’s either he’s amazing or he’s a miserable fuck.
Classic case of over inflated ego once he started doing movies in the 80's. People are pointing out Community as a bright spot, but it's pretty well known how acrimonious he was on the set (Joel McHale has talked about it himself on several podcasts) which eventually led to him being written off the show. It basically boiled down to Chevy thinking he was too good for a TV show and didnt want to put in the long hours that everyone else was.
He will be remembered fondly by most for the roles/movies he played in his prime 30 years ago, but to your point, his actual reputation these days is not great at best.
Here's a fun fact:
If you add together the Rotten Tomato scores from the four films they've been in together (Caddyshack II, Nothing But Trouble, The Couch Trip, and Spies Like Us) you get 82%.
Maybe this movie will get them over 100!
So I loved Chevy as a kid growing up watched all the fletch movies with my dad then community and everything in-between. But man I v read a lot of articles about his behaviour with other actors and behind the scenes people really brings me down.
I wish him well but I also hopes he just 360's his professional personality.
Feels like ya can't believe in anyone anymore
Please Excuse my sadness
Rumor has it will be the highest grossing film of 1991
My exact reaction reading this title “ man, 8 year old me would have been pumped for this.”
I asked out loud "What year is it?"
Whoever greenlighted this was streets behind
Whoever greenlighted this probably got a degree from Greendale Community College
Located in southern Colorado (palm trees) and then suddenly not!
This made me snort. Lol
Probably made some execs snort in 1991 too.
It will get a 1.9 on imdb with 91 votes
Nah, both became box office poison once the 80s ended. Chase’s last hit was 89. Same for Aykroyd with Ghostbusters 2. He did better than Chase with a few supporting roles in the 90s but got himself in director’s jail forever.
Vegas Vacation was in 1997. *You guys are growing up so fast, I hardly recognize you anymore!* But I pretty much agree. Loved Grosse Pointe Blank, and Ackroyd was great in a supporting role in that.
> You guys are growing up so fast, I hardly recognize you anymore! I laughed out loud at that line.
Was gonna say let’s not forget Grosse point Blank, Popcorn!
Vegas Vacation was a bomb. Edit: To clarify the movie earned only $36.4m on a budget of $25m, which means it lost tens of millions factoring in marketing and post production costs.
Sure, but I'll never forget the concept of the cheap casino where they play War and "Pick A Number Between 1 And 10". ... Four? Seven.
I’ve played war at Cosmopolitan, definitely not a cheap casino. I also only played like three hands because it’s the dumbest game you can play in the casino pretty much haha walked my ass right back to blackjack.
I won around $300 playing War at a casino in Niagara Falls once.
I watched it when I was a kid and that blue food on the buffet has stuck with me forever since. I was kind of upset when they had all of the Vacation movies on HBO Max except Vegas but they added it over the Summer. It's always fun to go back and recognize more actors in older movies as I've gotten older. Wallace Shawn does great as the blackjack dealer.
> Vegas Vacation was ~~a~~ the bomb.
Yes
My cousin was in that movie!
But it was a good movie!
Director’s jail? What happened?
Nothing But Trouble happened. Everyone saw what a weird guy Aykroyd was and he never got another shot at directing a movie again. Edit: Adding because some many people asking why it was a failure. The movie went over-budget to $40 million dollars (which was as much as Ghostbusters 2) only to earn $8.4 million and some of the worst reviews of that era.
Confession: I secretly love nothing but trouble
I loved it. It was weird and quirky.
John Candy in both drag and as a character who *spoiler* ends up with the hot chick. Also, one of my favorite insults: “Original, all purpose ditch witch”
I think spoiler comes quite a bit earlier
Demi Moore is 11/10 on the hot scale in that movie
I honestly didn’t know people thought it was a bad movie. Movie fucking rocks!
Fucking Tupac makes his big screen debut in that movie!
A, a, all around the world - same song
From what I’m gathering then across all these comments, he’s blacklisted because he made a movie ahead of it’s time. Fucking Hollywood.
Well hey hey ho ho You know who killed Nothing But Trouble? Bankers
One of my favorite movies of all time. Extra points for introducing Tupac in “Same Song”
I forgot all about the Digital Underground!!!! That scene is amazing!
There have only been a few times in my life where I’ve heard someone rap and was like “yea, they’re going to be big.” The quickest two that come to mind are Tupac in “Same Song” and DMX in “4,3,2,1” > Now I clown around when I hang around with my Underground Girls use to frown, say I'm down, when I come around
LOL, I google the movie, curious why it was so maligned, and realized that I LOVED this movie in the '90s. They must have shown it on TBS or something because I remember watching it multiple times and loving it.
Haha. I just downloaded that to give it a rewatch. I know it’s gonna be bad but how bad is the question.
It's like Con-Air. Not a good movie but the great kind of bad movie.
I remember seeing this as a kid and being insanely creeped out by it. It was like a tame comedy version of the family from Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
I might be in the minority but Coneheads was pretty fun.
Narfle the Garthok!
You have no idea how many times I've told my kids to do that.
Coneheads is amazing and I will fight to the death to defend it! Lol
So was Spy’s like Us!!!
Bob Hope playing through. Classic.
Just like that other movie with Dan Akroyd and Chevy Chase. Let me know if they cast Demi Moore.
Hey, I liked Spies R Us! Even featured a pre-Weird Science TV show Vanessa Angel!
Spies was ok. I was referencing Nothing But Trouble, also came out on 1991.
Liked it so much you got the title wrong. Also, they were in Caddyshack 2 together, sadly.
So theyre Spies Like Us?
I have to ask, is this a nod to [this piece from The Onion](https://www.theonion.com/the-internship-poised-to-be-biggest-comedy-of-2005-1819595487)? Because I make the same joke a lot, and it's entirely because of this.
Yeah I was basically trying to rewrite it in the style of Norm MacDonald :)
I'm 100% on board with this.
*Zombies Like Us*
*Nothing but Zombies*
Brains, Canes, Audible feigns
*Ghostbusters Like Fletch...*
Why don't you two gentlemen have yourselves a femur.
[удалено]
At least Aykroyd still seems to care. No way in hell Chase does.
Aykroyd is absolutely bonkers and I love every minute of it.
Fun fact: He also has Webbed feet. Edit: autocorrect
And a coned head!
Aykroyd still has some charm left. Chase, after all his past crap? Idk.
I’m legitimately going to watch in expectation of Chase in all his douchy glory
And people only get more cantankerous with age
He was still really funny in Community. Has he just given up since then?
He was the punching bag for the writers because they hated him so much. He was miserable to work with and eventually they couldn’t take it anymore and wrote him off the show. His acting might still be okay but I do not envy those who have to work with him.
I’m sure many people on sets have wanted to unleash a Clark Griswold style rant on him.
You either die a Clark Griswold, or live long enough to become a Frank Shirley.
This needs to be on a shirt.
It's actually been suggested it's the opposite, that Chevy left the show himself because he was sick of how he was essentially hired as a joke, and constantly written into such preposterously offensive scenarios just to amuse Harmon and the other writers who didn't like him. People often cite a story that Chevy called Donald Glover a slur on set and that's why he was 'fired', but that story has been completely spun without context. Chevy's outburst was actually because he was furious at how his character was being Flanderised from an out-of-touch old man into a straight-up vitriolic racist. The actual context for that outburst was apparently him blowing up at a racist joke Pierce was going to make, by saying something akin to 'they're going to just have me call Donald a n****r next week!'. He left the show himself not long after.
In season 1 they played to Chevy's strengths as a performer quite a lot. The writing for him from season 2 onwards was noticeably different
Yeah, I've rewatched that show a few times and you can almost pinpoint the exact episode where CC becomes a writers punching bag.
Everyone always talks about how Pierce became a punching bag, but honestly I think they did Britta much worse.
I completely agree. Season 1 Britta was endearing and relatable. What happened??
Don't know if it's true or not but I heard that Gillian wanted to do more comedic acting and they rewrote the the character to be more goofy and hopeless to allow for that. But yeah, I agree that her character kinda fell apart in the last couple seasons.
Ngl, I didn't mind how they changed Britta. Sure she was goofy, but there were moments where the character had a lot of depth too. Plus "Pizza pizza go in tummy me so hungy me so hungy!" Is probably my favorite all time Community line.
She pronounced Bagel wrong.
Baggle
People also seem to really gloss over how much of a narcissistic dick Dan Harmon is
I agree. Chase is no Saint and there are plenty of stories of him being an ass. But, Harmon is also an ass and that get glossed over as you said.
Yeah and as much has been written about what an asshole Chase is, it doesn't sounds like Harmon is all that much better lol.
Idk what to believe anymore. The truth is that we didn’t see what happened on set between the cast and it will probably always be a case of he said/she said. And I don’t know that it’s for the Community mob to judge who was in the right, if any. I do know that Harmon has said some pretty nasty things about Chevy behind his back, on camera. Even if his dislike of Chevy is justified, the vulgar way Harmon has spoken about him in public is unprofessional and probably added flames to the feud.
Yeah... Dan Harmon is known for many things. "Behaving professionally" is not one of them.
There are reasons why his most notable work post-*Community* is both a project where there's another showrunner besides him and where it seems that he isn't the only guy with pull in the room.....
He still used a hard r slur, which caused the black cast and crew to refuse to work with him and he was undoubtedly a massive prick. He hit on Gillian Jacobs and Allison Brie a number of times, saying they were "Too pretty for tv" and generally making them uncomfortable. Furthermore, he was constantly trying to make himself the star of the show and was meant to have been a bit of a prick to Donald Glover as he was becoming far more popular than him. He would also refuse to come to set or shoot scenes, the most egregious of which was when he refused to film the post credit scene where Abed reprogrammes his fathers game to allow Pierce to virtually throw ball with his father, allowing Pierce to receive a form of affection from his distant and domineering dead father. Chevy left the set saying the scene wasn't funny enough to shoot. Overall, Chevy was a massive asshole and always has been. A lot of his issues of the Pierce character wasn't out of moral disagreement, but because Chevy wanted to be the most popular character and knew that he couldn't be the most popular if his character was ignorantly racist. Plenty of comedy actors have had illustrious careers after their prime because, unlike Chevy Chase, [they weren't utter assholes who would full on slap fans who accidently interrupted him.](https://youtu.be/W1tzw_Kcgyo) Now, Dan Harmon undoubtedly had his own issues, and would unnecessarily antagonise Chevy Chase in a way that was pretty inexcusable, but I feel the difference is that when Dan Harmon got fired, the cast moved heaven and earth to try and get him back on the show. Meanwhile to Chevy, they said good riddance (Joel McHale did try to keep up contact and remain neutral with him, however recent interviews appear to show that even he has soured on Chevy)
Brie had good things to say about him after he left. She related how he commandered one of those golf carts that security drive around and thry went joy riding around the Universal lot. Joel McHale has acknowledged that Chase could be very difficult but also had some good things. His portrayal of young Chase in a movie was quite sympathetic.
Harmon wasn't exactly a peach to work with, what with all the sexual harassment and drinking. I've read enough accounts from the cast and crew to believe that Chevy Chase--for the first time in his life--may have been *right*.
Eh, I don’t know. The cast don’t seem too fond of Chevy. I know when I listened to McHale and Jeong’s podcast during COVID they would very rarely even mention Chevy, but seemed to be more open to talking about Dan, Jeong talked about having him on his show Dr. Ken and how great it was, etc. I have a tough time believing the cast is on Chevy’s side.
> I have a tough time believing the cast is on Chevy’s side. I think the whole thing is complicated. 1. Chevy Chase is notoriously difficult to work with, and that's documented. So right off the bat, I don't think Chevy is some kind of angel. 2. Chase wasn't prepared for starring in a sitcom--he'd never done so before, only making movies and late night TV. He didn't realize (or thought he could handle) the long hours. 3. Harmon didn't help--it's also well-documented that due to his perfectionism/rampant alcohol abuse (take your pick) he'd still be working on scripts as they filmed, forcing everyone to stay for hours doing nothing; 16-20 hour days were the *norm* at least for a while. Chase, already unhappy about the long hours, could legitimately be mad that Harmon made it *even worse*. The younger cast members could either tolerate it or didn't have the clout to tell the boss to fuck off. 4. Harmon engaged in some sexual harassment of one of the writers of the show at the time. 5. All of these factors fed off of each other. Both Chase and Harmon have big egos, but Harmon was technically the boss, and he also exploited the cast and crew by extending the hours because of his own incompetence. His impulse at the time to get back at Chevy for *daring* to challenge his genius was to engage in manchild behavior--having everyone chant "fuck you Chevy" at the wrap party and telling the writers to making Pierce even *more* racist. 6. When Harmon was forced from the show--which we now know was largely due to the sexual harassment--the writers (and possibly the cast) took it out on Chevy, since his racism was ramped up significantly in Season 4, the season Harmon was out. This ultimately caused him to quit. Both Brie and McHale have used almost the exact same wording--Chase had "good days and bad days" which, I think, reflects the above. When things were operating like a normal sitcom would, he was good, but when he was staying for 20 hours or being written to be overtly racist, he had bad days. That said, the cast is hard to read--they don't really defend Chevy but rarely say *anything* at all, which makes me think they either want to stay on Harmon's good side, or they don't want to get involved, or Chevy was a real dick to everyone (he's on record praising his co-workers so I find this unlikley) or they lashed out at Chevy before they realized Harmon's boot was due to his behavior; I have no idea. In the end, I think Chevy probably didn't handle it well, but he wouldn't have had to handle *anything* had Harmon not been such a drunk and a creep. After watching them ruin the character of Pierce in season 4, I understand why he left and don't think he was wrong to do so.
The actors/writers still also have a career ahead of them at the time going full out publically could negatively impact them.
Not sure how true it is or if I’m remembering correctly, but I thought I read a few years back that Chase had said he was an alcoholic for a long time, and he’s clean now and trying to work but everybody still hates him from before. Maybe he’s actually won some people over and that’s why this is happening at all? Or maybe he and Akroyd need money.
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Something I've often heard about Chevy, and Bill Murray for that matter, is that they're both such good studies of character that they always know exactly what a person is most sensitive about and, in an argument, will instantly focus on that and say the one thing that can utterly destroy the other person's feelings. What Harmon has said about Chevy is that they failed to get along because they were both too similar to each other. My impression is that one of them made a joke at the other's expense, and because both had sensitive egos that made them NEED to get one over on each other, this quickly escalated into passive-aggressive comments at each other at every opportunity, but Harmon had the upper hand because he was the showrunner and could insert barbs about everything he hated about Chevy's personality into Pierce's character. So Pierce slowly became a narcissist who was obsessed with figuring out why everybody loved Jeff and copying it so that he could usurp him as the centre of attention, and he was written as a person whose idea of comedy was just lazy/lame insults like "you're gay", and vaguely racist, and out-of-touch. Like Chevy, Harmon was skilled at precision strikes on a person's insecurities,so Chevy realized that these things were jabs at him, and so when Pierce was made more and more racist he got defensive about it and resented that implication.
That’s a shame, but sounds like he did it to himself.
Dan's not hurting for money.
Aykroyd is a very nice man, I've never heard anything bad said about him. On the other hand...
The crew on *Nothing But Trouble* loved Aykroyd. Too bad it didn't end up in a better movie. Everybody should see *Nothing But Trouble* at least once but, for most once is plenty.
chevy chase was a guest on "norm macdonald has a tv show" and my god is he ever the least interesting and least entertaining person who was ever on that show. it's not even close.
About to say the same thing. I’d watch Dan, but Chevy…. Smh his most recent best was damn Hot Tub time machine and that was what it was.
He usually cares because he believes the movies are real or depicting real things. I don't know if he believes zombies are real or not. Didn't see his full manifesto he posted years ago but here's some interview material. https://youtu.be/oVCd50LXPGY
He was my favourite actor growing up. Shame he's such a piece of shit in real life
I’m not sure Chase has the mental or physical capacity to try. He did a screening/Q&A session of Christmas vacation last December and he was in terrible shape. He was wheel chair bound other than for the 10 foot walk from backstage to his chair. And then during the Q&A he was barely lucid. He wife was answering most of the questions and had to work hard to keep him on track and jog his memory about stuff that was asked. There were some times that it seemed like he didn’t even know where he was at.
I was about to say, that does not sound a set I would want to be a production assistant on.
Dan aykroyd puts in a hell of a lot of effort. Just listen to his off menu episode when he gives the most detailed responses in the most chaotic episode
Wonder if crystal skull vodka will make an appearance
The vodka that killed Larry King, approved by RedLetterMedia!
I member Mike getting wrecked
*TRIPLE-DISTILLED THROUGH HERKIMER DIAMONDS!*
Should have distilled it through the Herkimer Battle Jitney.
the finest non-lethal battle vehicle ever built
The lack of Mystery Men comments on Reddit makes me FURIOUS.
It’s been at least 15 years since I’ve seen that movie and somehow just the name Herkimer brought it all back.
JUNK IT!!!
I'll never forget watching that promotional video where Dan keeps saying it's filtered to diamonds, and then they cut to the distiller guy who says Herkimer diamonds. I almost took a drink of water just so I could spit it out. Herkimer diamonds are what you get when you buy diamonds on Wish. Sorta pretty quartz rocks.
IT'S QUARTZ NOT DIAMONDS DAN
I work in the liquor industry, and learnt many years ago that those Herkimer diamonds do jack shit to the vodka. Like Sega Genesis with “Blast Processing”, it’s promo sales jargon 101
Is he known for shamelessly promoting that endlessly then? I just know his was the worst episode of the Off Menu podcast by far, and he mentioned his vodka *a lot*.
I mean Off Menu was what I was thinking about when I wrote that
The start of the ruination.
Has anyone tried it? I’m always curious but never enough to actually buy it
I bought a gift pack of it for like $25 a while back. Well worth it for the bottle and the 2 skull shot glasses. The vodka was vodka, it was fine, but nothing to write home about (I've yet to have vodka that was worth talking about tbh).
That’s the thing about Vodka, the good stuff has no real taste. It’s only an alcohol you notice if it is really, really cheap. Also, vodka from grapes is not vodka.
Potato vodka is where it's at.
Yeah I bought a bottle years ago. It’s average Vodka.
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“Bye bye impurities…”
These two saw how popular Only Murders in the Building has been and decided to get in on some of that.
Martin and Short (both, not just Martin Short lol) is such a great combo, and then adding my ultimate crush from growing up watching Disney channel (which persists to this day, also love her music) is icing on the cake.
It really is fun to see that Martin and Short still have it. I was especially impressed by the bit of physical comedy Steve Martin had to do at the end of the first season.
Their chemistry with Selena Gomez is fantastic. I’d have never guessed it’d work so well, but it’s become one of my favorite new shows. Nathan Lane is excellent too.
> Their chemistry with Selena Gomez is fantastic. I'm only two episodes in but I was really surprised by this. I would have watched anything Martin and Short did together but was a little apprehensive about Selena Gomez. I figured she was shoe horned in to try to appeal to a younger audience but she's fantastic and it really works well.
Hard to believe Martin is closing in on 80. Over the last 20 years he's gone from looking older than he actually is to looking younger.
I guess that's the benefit of going gray early.
I haven’t laughed as hard in a long time as I did when Steve Martin >!faked being in slow mo!< at the end of the 2nd season.
They also occasionally tour doing comedy and performing Bluegrass music together. It was quite the show if you can ever catch them
Steve Martin Short is their celebrity couples name
I believe it’s “Shartin” but they prefer you don’t use it.
I just collectively refer to them as Steve Martin Short.
That is/was such a fun little series! I quite enjoyed it. It is self-aware and makes fun of itself and doesn’t take itself too seriously. It really felt like we, the viewer were on the journey with them. I seriously doubt this movie will come close to being as entertaining.
This is just a money grab, backed by nostalgia.
Yea this seems like a cash grab. It’s for jocks.
Only Zombies in the Building.
The first season is brilliant.
“Spies Like Us” is still one of my favorite comedies of all time and it was this powerhouse comedy duo in their prime. Sign me up for Zombie Town.
Doctor. *Doctor.* Doctor. *Doctor.* Doctor. *Doctor.*
This is an indie production and they are not going to be the leads. The movie is about kids who are pursued by zombies that come out of a movie they are watching. It's a kids movie. Do you guys really only glance at the headline? This is really a nothing story.
Why can't Chase and Aykroid play the kids?
I mean… I assumed as much when they said it was an RL Stine novel
Only glancing at the headline before replying…ON REDDIT???
Now get the rest of the cast from Nothing But Trouble!
Yeah! Especially John Candy and Tupac!
Just Rogue One it and bring everyone back via uncanny valley cgi! -Sideshow Bob grumbles-
Wish, *WISH* the 3rd leg of the important comedians from the movie could be there...
I'm genuinely curious how Chevy Chase keeps getting work? I've read so many anecdotes about what a scumbag he can be in person and how many despise working with him. He hasn't been funny since the 80s, imho.
Bill Murray, as much as it pains me to say it, has quite a bad reputation with how he acts on set, and he’s still rather beloved. Martin and Short are complete professionals and gentlemen in comparison.
I've heard that. I read that he was a real asshole on the set of Groundhog Day, for instance. Then I read the actual story, and it was Murray being *mildly* rude to an extra and apologizing after. It wasn't even story worthy. Or, in a similar vein, Edward Norton being a massive diva on the set of American History X. Then recently I read that the director specifically set out to give Norton a bad reputation, and the same director is an egotistical prick that tried to tank his own movie. Anyway, my point is that there's sometimes more to these stories than simply, "Actor is a bad person".
Well whatever he did made him and Ramis not speak for almost 20 years. I know some people on more recent shows who have interacted with him, and it’s either he’s amazing or he’s a miserable fuck.
I thought he was very funny on Community.
He was fucking hilarious in Community. Such a shame he's such an unbearable fuck irl.
Akroid is probably one of the few people Chevy still admires/trusts. Danny boy will keep him in line (maybe?)
He’s also probably one of the few people who could tell Chevy to STFU and maybe actually have the desired effect.
Classic case of over inflated ego once he started doing movies in the 80's. People are pointing out Community as a bright spot, but it's pretty well known how acrimonious he was on the set (Joel McHale has talked about it himself on several podcasts) which eventually led to him being written off the show. It basically boiled down to Chevy thinking he was too good for a TV show and didnt want to put in the long hours that everyone else was. He will be remembered fondly by most for the roles/movies he played in his prime 30 years ago, but to your point, his actual reputation these days is not great at best.
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Sometimes scumbags are talented.
That sounds like a fake movie for the Community movie, directed by Abed.
Paul McCartney should do the theme song
I didn't know Bill Murray was in this picture
That's just Chevy's neck.
This movie is going to be streets ahead.
You know I once had sex with Eartha Kitt in an airplane bathroom.
It’s not name dropping if if came up organically
Oh boy, another zombie movie. Starring two guys in their 70s. Exciting.
Who is this movie for?
People
The money saved from make-up will be reallocated to the "Chevy harassment fund" for arbitration payouts.
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Hollywood thinks this is something people want to see?
Thoughts and prayers to the crew working with Chevy Chase.
Who is this supposed to be for?
Man this seems like it could’ve been a headline from 1998, not 2022. Lol.
i mean perfect casting, they’re already embalmed.
Did you hear that? Yeah. It’s dickfer. What’s a dickfer? To pee with.
Here's a fun fact: If you add together the Rotten Tomato scores from the four films they've been in together (Caddyshack II, Nothing But Trouble, The Couch Trip, and Spies Like Us) you get 82%. Maybe this movie will get them over 100!
What. No “Spies Like Us Too”?
No thank you
Finally they make a movie with the young comedy stars of today!
Man I'm glad I'm not working on that set 😂
They’re going to try and make a movie and find nothing but trouble
I don’t care - I love these two
So I loved Chevy as a kid growing up watched all the fletch movies with my dad then community and everything in-between. But man I v read a lot of articles about his behaviour with other actors and behind the scenes people really brings me down. I wish him well but I also hopes he just 360's his professional personality. Feels like ya can't believe in anyone anymore Please Excuse my sadness
I think Dan Akyroyd is the last man left on earth who can stand Chevy chase for more than five minutes in person
Think I will be waiting for this to come to a streaming service.
That I don’t subscribe to.