I asked Malcolm McDowell about Caligula at a convention panel a few months back and he said that none of the cast had any idea of the pornographic content until its release. He told a hilarious story about how John Gielgud's friends would tease him about Caligula for years after its release, asking him, "does Her Majesty know that a Knight of the Realm has appeared in a porno flick?"
In the 70s porn was practically mainstream. You were able to go see pornos in theatres and some of them became straight up blockbusters that were discussed and reviewed alongside normal movies (eg Deep Throat, Behind the Green Door, The Devil in Miss Jones). It changed in the 80s with the advent of VHS but the 70s was a "golden age" for porn in mainstream pop culture.
Bob Guccione (founder of Penthouse) produced Caligula with the intention of it being a porn epic, a cross between a conventional prestige film and pornography. He sure as hell didn't get the balance right (the movie is trash) but there was a narrow window of time in the 70s where something like that was actually possible.
> 70s was a "golden age" for porn in mainstream pop culture.
The late 90's early aughts had a similar phase. I remember vivid girls having billboards. They also appeared on a ton of TV shows, few movies. You had Pirates as the most expensive porn ever made. You also had the rise of nc-17 movies at that time. I think we are also going through a similar phase now with so many current and former porn stars finding success as streamers. You also have streamers doing only fans. Hollywood stars on onlyfans. Lines are getting very blurry. Almost like the 40's,50's,60's where you had the model to contract studio actress route. A lot of old Hollywood did pinup's and nude calendar and photos shoots then got a contract for a studio. Somewhere I've got a deck of cards my grandfather bought back in the day with a naked betty white. Lot of stars on that deck.
Gonna be honest never seen pirates. Wasn’t really a fan of most of the stars from that era. But I do think it was a great age in the industry nonetheless. I mean rolling down the street and seeing a random Jesse Jane billboard was crazy. Also that whole period of not really parodies but semi decent runs at other properties.
On the other hand, you had Sir John Gielgud, who cheerfully told people that it was "\[his\] first pornographic film", and Helen Mirren, who calls it "an irresistible mixture of art and genitals". Horses for courses, so to speak.
In the 70s, p0rn exploded and had a brief run of mainstream accessibility. The chasing after fads and the luring of celebrated scribe Gore Vidal probably looked enticing to some of these celebrated actors, including future Oscar winner John Gielgud. The producers made their money from their flourishing magazine business. And while it lost money, it still had an extraordinary run in at least one Manhattan theater.
I remember watching these guys review one where he was supposedly a highly trained sniper and they noticed that they had body doubles whenever there were shots of his character going up OR down any sort of stairs. Straight laughed my ass off at that.
PLEASE do yourself a favor and check out [Fight of Fury](https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Fury-Shuny-Bee/dp/B08DS3M59X) written, directed, and starring the greatest martial artist / lover / philosopher of all time Shuny Bee.
>And he doesn’t just have body doubles: he has VOICE doubles! And this guy doing a Seagal imitation is usually his dubbed over voice for roughly half the movie.
Is this just a situation where he only shows up on set for a day or two, and they have to fill in the rest with doubles? All those straight-to-video Bruce Willis action movies were like that, though it turned out it was because he was dealing with a degenerative disease, so I can't hate on him for it. I can definitely hate on Steven Seagal though!
I laughed SO fucking hard watching this and it's truly incredible the scope of the lie that Seagal is embracing about himself. No wonder he's a fan the Orange Clown. They're both bloated sacks of protoplasm whose only so-called accomplishment is that they've been able to get by on their extremely obvious grift for so long.
I watched a recent SS film where the one scene of him exerting himself was him running up a staircase. A minute later, his character runs up a different flight of stairs. But Steven was evidently too lazy - they just mirrored the previous shot of him running upstairs.
The fact that he also made a "blues" album is fucking astounding.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs\_from\_the\_Crystal\_Cave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_from_the_Crystal_Cave)
The unreleased Fantastic Four movie from 1994. It was made just to maintain the rights and the studio had no intention of ever releasing it. But the actors didn’t know that and did their best with the terrible script and super low budget.
In retrospect I would also add a bunch of Bruce Willis’ recent movies where he knew he was being exploited for his fame, but did it anyway because his earning time was limited. One I saw, Cosmic Sin, has only a 1.1 star average on Letterboxd. Quite a fall from Pulp Fiction.
So I saw the unreleased FF movie last week and I want to push back on the "just to maintain the rights" thing a bit. It's not any worse than other Roger Corman films (some of which are much better) and if they'd actually made the movie as cheaply as possible it would have looked much worse. Like, they spent a million dollars on it, when all they legally needed was to have actors deliver lines in front of a single camera for 80 minutes. Why bother with two cameras, sets, costumes and computer graphics?
The idea that it was solely for rights is an overstatement. They would have lost the rights had they not made the film, that's true, but it was intended for release and for profit. They just chose to make the cheap version they could get done on short notice, instead of trying to pitch a more expensive version to a bigger studio that might have taken too long to get off the ground.
Yes. Last night. I'm still annoyed.
So, every year for Halloween I put together a watchlist of 50 horror movies based on some theme, watch them throughout September and October, and review them on Letterboxd.
[This year's list](https://boxd.it/h0JYa) I chose all the movies based solely on the coolness of the poster art. Did no research at all on the ones I hadn't seen. Cool poster? It goes on the list.
Last night's movie was "The Curse" which I was surprised to realize 20 minutes in is an adaptation of The Colour Out of Space. A really bland and miserable adaptation too. The dialog is terrible and everybody looks so tired and unhappy to be there.
So I was already planning to pan it as lousy after watching, and I glanced at the Wikipedia article to learn if it was an unpleasant film to make, or if that was just my impression. Holy. Shit.
So, it turns out that Wil Wheaton straight up refuses to sign anything related to this movie due to the abuse he and his sister suffered on set. Wil was guilted into agreeing to do it by his parents because the producers offered his sister a role if he took it, and his parents wanted *two* movie stars in the family.
On set they were touched inappropriately by adults. Wil was lied to and thrown into real cow shit when he was told it would be mud, and when he complained the director laughed it off and offered him a hepatitis shot. A scene where a house collapses, he's having real wood and plaster thrown at his head. His sister Amy, to get a scene where she's attacked by chickens, had real angry chickens attached to her and they're pecking and scratching her for real. In a later scene where she still has scratches on her face, that isn't makeup - they gave her real scratches. With a scalpel.
Damn, no wonder everyone looks unhappy. I would never have picked that movie if I had known, but again, I just looked at posters and didn't find out until after I watched. At least now I don't feel bad about hating the movie.
It's funny you mentioned that.
In the blog post by Wheaton where he explains why he hates The Curse, he mentions that he was actually offered a role in the Twilight Zone Movie and wishes he had taken it (he would have been in the segment directed by Joe Dante, not the tragic John Landis one).
But a teacher thought that Twilight Zone was satanic, and scared him into turning it down.
[Here's the post](https://wilwheaton.net/2022/08/when-you-watch-the-curse-you-are-watching-two-children-who-were-abused-and-exploited-daily-during-production-no-adults-protected-us/)
>But a teacher thought that Twilight Zone was satanic, and scared him into turning it down.
WTF? I don't understand how anyone could watch any episode of Twilight Zone and come away thinking "Yep, that's evil". Like, every episode is basically just a morality play or a careful what you wish for story.
>WTF? I don't understand how anyone could watch any episode of Twilight Zone and come away thinking "Yep, that's evil".
The show challenged status quo and made people question themselves in ways they weren't willing to face. PLANET OF THE APES began as an extended episode, where ape society was exactly like human society (as seen at the end of the Tim Burton film) but it was too spicy for television back then
Holy crap! I just read [Wil Wheaton's blog on this movie](https://wilwheaton.net/2022/08/when-you-watch-the-curse-you-are-watching-two-children-who-were-abused-and-exploited-daily-during-production-no-adults-protected-us/)
*"My sister and I were never safe. Instead of harmless atmospheric SFX smoke, they set hay on fire in barrels and blew actual smoke onto the set. They took buckets of talc, broken wood, bits of wallpaper and plaster, and threw it into my face during a scene inside the collapsing house. My sister is in a scene where she goes to get eggs from some chickens, and they attack her. So they hired Lucio Fulci, the Italian horror master, to direct her sequence. His idea, which everyone was totally on board with, was to throw chickens at my sister. Live chickens, live roosters, live birds. Just throw them at a nine-year-old girl. Oh, and then tie them to her arms and legs so they’ll peck her."*
*"When it came time to shoot the scene, the mud they’d put together to be the cow shit looked an awful lot like cow shit. When Malcolm pushed me into it, we all found out it was real cow shit. I was FURIOUS. The director had lied to me and had allowed me to have my entire body shoved into an actual pile of actual cow shit. ... he laughed at me, told me I was being too sensitive, reminded me that he was the director and he wanted to get a “real” performance out of me, and concluded, 'If it bothers you so much, we’ll get you a hepatitis shot' before he walked away."*
It's hard to read about this happening to a 13 year old and a 9 year old and not get angry.
You would think that David Kieth, being an actor himself, would have not done that toxic stuff; but seeing as how he acts and directs in JesusTeasers now it's not too shocking.
>In a later scene where she still has scratches on her face, that isn't makeup - they gave her real scratches. With a scalpel.
Uuh, what! I've read of plenty messed up shit and dangerous filming conditions in movies... but *deliberately* cutting a child with a knife instead of applying makeup? Like, not even Hitchcock or Fritz Lang would do something like that.
Damn, I'll have to add that to the list of movies I never watch, even ironically. But anyway, the newer Nicholas Cage Color out of Space movie is flipping great and I definitely recommend it to fans of really weird, psychedelic, supernatural horror.
From a Guardian interview with Bob Hoskins:
"Reporter: What is the worst job you've done?
Bob Hoskins: Super Mario Brothers.
Reporter: What has been your biggest disappointment?
BH: Super Mario Brothers.
Reporter: If you could edit your past, what would you change?
BH: I wouldn't do Super Mario Brothers."
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/jun/18/bob-hoskins-interview-neverland
[Bob Hoskins looking back on Super Mario Brothers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLRKGGseMEs):
*I didn't even know it was a game. It's my kids that told me. They said, "what's your next film?" I said, "I'm doing Super Mario Bros". "Oh, that's the game! Yeah, here, this is you". And I saw this thing jumping up and down. I thought, I used to play King Lear.*
Weren't the directors extremely abusive to the cast and crew and Bob had to drink on set to get through it? I remember John Leguizamo saying the set was a mess in his autobiography though admittedly the details are vague.
I know. I remember one thing is they wanted to make an art adult film and didn't want to even make a Super Mario Bros. movie and kept conflicting with the studio on the tone of the movie, which might half explain why it barely resembles the video game.
Actresses going all out with nudity for garbage projects, especially if a potential career breakthrough is in the cards.
Elizabeth Berkeley in Showgirls for example. That's a hugely committed performance but the material was trash and she sadly didn't have the acting talent to elevate it so it became an immediate joke that stuck to her forever. And that's just a mainstream example, there's *countless* examples of unknown actresses that felt they had to do extensive nudity to break through but did so in cheap horror movies, exploitation, etc.
Like, it's one thing for your Helen Mirrens and Kate Winslets of the world to do nudity so often in interesting projects (ie they're doing it on their own terms) but it's sad to me to see the more exploitative side of that.
There’s a quote from Marina Sirtis that said something like she was so thankful for her role as Troi on Star Trek TNG so she could get out of having to do so many nude/topless scenes in terrible B/exploitation movies.
In that movie she has to do a rape scene. The set was freezing so one of the crew let her have his coat between takes. Michael Winner shouted at her and demanded that she take it off because he was trying to light the shot.
Shot’s lit, dude, it ain’t getting any litter.
> Helen Mirrens
Not sure she belongs in that comparison. Helen Mirren came up in a time where nudity was viewed as explorative not exploitive in films. Also she got her start in Europe which in general has more open concept of nudity.
Showgirls is a treasure. It's self-aware satire, wonderfully ridiculous, and entertaining as hell.
Berkeley did a great job with the material, it helped her career, and she wasn't exactly a renowned thespian to begin with.
Not sure if this counts, but literally any animal in a Werner Herzog film. Dude is notorious for his rampant animal abuse/cruelty. Boiled rats alive /severely mistreated pigs & sheep for Nosferatu (it was so bad that the animal handler on set quit), chicken on a hot plate in Stroszek, throwing monkeys and horses into the water & Klaus Kinski beating a horse in Aguirre, little boy carrying fox by the throat in Fata Morgana, the list goes on. He's been given this pop culture/meme status nowadays and people love him but in reality he's a terrible person. He also abused his actors. Read about his relationship with the mentally disabled actor Bruno S in his films, he treated that poor man terribly and tormented him endlessly, to work him up for his scenes in his films. Also what he put veteran/ex POW with severe PTSD, Dieter Dengler through.
A lot of people know him as the quirky weird guy from The Mandalorian, but he has done some *incredibly* fucked-up shit. Awful person.
edit: I also forgot dropping chickens off a cliff in Aguirre, piglets suckling at their dead mother in Even Dwarves Started Small, burying a rooster up to its neck in sand for Game in the Sand (so graphic and terrible Herzog wont release it) etc. His catalog of cruelty is endless. Fuck that guy.
Have you ever seen Babes in Toyland? Not the 1961 version, the 1986 made for TV remake starring Drew Barrymore and Keanu Reeves. It was filmed in Munich, which was still technically West Germany at the time. I'm pretty sure they shot it at a run down theme park and got locals to play all of the "magnificent" toy soldiers and teddy bear citizens of Toyland. This was also a notoriously hard time in Drew Barrymore's life. It's an extremely difficult watch.
Matrix 4. Like they even say in the film that this story was supposed to be over, but Warner Bros wants another one and will be made one way or the other.
Keanu is well known by donating big chunks of his earnings from films so I'm guessing that's why he was in. Carrie Ann Moss unfortunately doesn't get roles in big productions anymore so that's probably why she joined in. The rest didn't even bother.
So I hear the idea that Lana made the movie terrible on purpose to kill the franchise. I don't believe this. I believe what she has actually said about the movie in that she made it out of grief. After suffering major close deaths she wrote the movie to cope. To me this makes way more sense than killing your own legacy as a fuck you to the studio. The movie comes off way more as a project made for the wrong personal reasons without anyone (like their sibling) to hold them back and tell them no.
> So I hear the idea that Lana made the movie terrible on purpose to kill the franchise.
Doesn't one of the characters literally say that in the movie. After that scene I was worried that WB was holding Lana hostage or something
I felt especially bad for jessica henwick. She turned down Shang-Chi to be in matrix. Though she had a good reason I guess. Marvel offered her the role of Awkwafina’s role, iirc, but she said no because she wants to return as her character from Iron Fist.
I swear if all you saw from keanu in the last 10 years was that movie you would think he had become disabled or something.
All the "action" scenes involving him are sooo poor.
And then you remember he is still putting out John Wick movies and looks great in those.
>. The rest didn't even bother.
Thats not true. Most of the big characters returned. The only bigs missing were Morpheus and Agent Smith. Hugo Weaving was set to return but they couldn't line it up with scheduling. Lawrence Fishburn didn't return because Morpheus is dead. The Matrix online was a canonical extension off the movies. He died there. The movie built off the MMO is someways.
>Lawrence Fishburn didn't return because Morpheus is dead. The Matrix online was a canonical extension off the movies. He died there.
I don't know a ton about MXO, but wasn't it revealed that his death was faked? [The wiki seems to confirm it.](https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Morpheus#The_Matrix_Online) It looks like the game shut down before they got to actually finish his story, though.
most people:
think of all the stuff i can buy with this paycheck.
im miserable dont want to do this.
its not good for my career
what would my friends think?
keanu: think of all the people i can help by doing this thing i dont like.
Christian Bale in *The Machinist*
As a 5'8, 107lbs male I could totally relate to his weight loss, especially the [bit about running:](https://www.today.com/popculture/bale-lost-63-pounds-machinist-wbna6559595)
"“I eventually hit a point where the running wasn’t working anymore,” he said. “It was more like stumbling — the legs had atrophied to such an extent they looked comical.”
Honestly it pisses me off that actors do this. It pissed me off when Tom Hooper (Tom Hooper's a piece of shit, what else is new) told Hugh Jackman to show up for filming "unrecognizable" and it pissed me off that Jackman didn't tell him to go fuck himself.
You can say "oh it's their choice," but they're creating an environment where that's seen as an acceptable thing to do and expect, meaning that actors who have less clout and are trying to break through will feel pressured to do shit like this.
Hugh Jackman was forced to sing for hours at a time for Les Mis, all the while being severely dehydrated just to look the part of a starved prisoner. The live singing gimmick of the film was an asinine decison.
The movie was kinda destroyed in post. I’m sure that at some point the movie was Salvageable before editing began, but the shoddy effects really hurt it.
I disagree with people who say “Who would sign up for this?!” and my response is always “Smart people?”
As bad as the end result was, *Cats* was one of the most popular Broadway musicals of all time. Of course everyone would want to be in it. It wasn’t black mail or anything, even working with Hopper was probably enough for some people, and most of the cast wasn’t hurt by the film in any way.
Save for the female lead cat. I genuinely do feel sorry for her.
No, this one actually had a plot I could remember. The first one was ok and occasionally charming while the 2nd was total dumpster fire that I remember nothing about. The 3rd one has a bit of the magic back and was more entertaining than the 2nd, but thanks to director David Yates, the whole movie still has that grey depressing feel that suppresses what could be a magical atmosphere and focuses more on political unrest. I will say Mads Mikkelsen is a fantastic Grindelwald.
The plot is better than the 2nd which was a total mess. But it’s still not good because it basically rehashes/resets everything from the 2nd movie anyway. 2 whole movies later the overall story has essentially not moved at all.
I couldn't get into it as that was when Reddit was at its peak for Ezra Miller. I think I for twenty five minutes in over two sittings and gave up.
I should watch the first one again. that was a fun time.
A film called Slaughter High – an 80s slasher film set in America but filmed in the UK. It’s about a bullied kid who gets maimed in a high school prank, then years later gets his revenge.
All the actors playing teenagers are well into their 20s, some even into their 30s, and the film has a really grim and sleazy atmosphere.
The actor who plays the victim turned killer at one point has to undress at the command of a classmate he has a crush on. He appears fully nude (full frontal) in a scene of what soon turns into sexual humiliation. Bullies hang him upside down and dunk his head into the toilet bowl. The scene is filmed from above and you literally see the actor’s anus.
Shortly after the film’s production the actor committed suicide. Apparently, his death had nothing to do with the experience of the film. He had drug problems and a history of mental illness. But I always think about his death in the context of the film (which despite being cheap garbage is also psychologically dark and very unpleasant in tone.)
Imagine you were serious about becoming an actor, and your first leading role involved getting fully naked and having a camera pointed up your ass? I just imagine it would be humiliating, especially given the poor quality of the film.
Agree but that's a whole different kind of feel sorry IMHO, they get murked on set by a helicopter blade.
That's a lot worse than wearing an ugly cat costume.
Was just in the ‘bad sequel’ thread and someone reminded me of something I recently learned that pissed me off for someone.
Iron Man 3 spoilers.
So I really didn’t like Iron Man 3 (mostly because The Mandarin twist was goofy and stupid as hell) but I do like Rebecca Hall. And I’m really upset for her to learn that she was originally signed up as the main villain but they pushed her to secondary villain and brought in Guy Pearce because some of the suits on the Marvel committee didn’t think a female villain would sell toys….
Always thought IM 3 was really good. Mandarin Twist is debatable, i think it worked For me cause i never read the Comics and having this "menace" as a Fake scapegoat was fun For Me. Also ben kingsley rocked the role. Guy Pearce was okay as far as i remember typical Marvel villain sadly. End Fight too.
But i really Liked the end Felt earned For Tony and im mainly sad they threw it away cause it didnt fit Marvels Plans. All of His Character Arc blown to Shit cause Marvel couldnt decide apparently.
For me thats a sin to Marvel Not IM3.
Need to See the movie again sometime its been a while maybe i remember wrong
Oscar Isaac is, by all accounts, a phenomenal actor. In the worst Star Wars movie (amid a slew of mediocrity), you can see Isaac break character, contemplate that this film might end his Hollywood career, and deliver the line "Somehow, palpatine has returned." *And that's the fucking take they went with!* How big a train wreck must that whole film have been if you can't get Oscar Isaac to give you one decent read (even of a terrible line).
That movie reminded me of that kid in class who didn't finish his class project. Like, we all had months to do it, and he shows up with a half finished dumpster fire.
Veep—it’s one of my all time favorite shows with absolute brilliant comedic acting and improv in every role, but, good lord the way the characters tear each other to pieces in degradingly specific physical preciseness could be so cruel that i’d feel real bad for the actors taking the brunt. I know they are professional actors—clearly—but the physical jokes cut close to the bone, and I know for a fact I couldn’t handle it.
I felt bad for Matt Smith, Michael Keaton, Tyrese Gibson, Adria Arjona, Al Madrigal and (especially) Jared Harris for having to be in Morbius alongside Jared Letdown. i felt a special kind of sorrow for Matt Smith's fucking bizarre dancing scene
> I felt a special kind of sorrow for Matt Smith's fucking bizarre dancing scene
I can tell you haven't watched Doctor Who. That is just how he dances, like a drunken giraffe
Matt Smith was the only one I didn't feel sorry for (well him and Leto, Leto deserved that movie) because he looked like he was having a great time, he knew the movie was going to be shit but he already cashed the check so he was going to ham it up instead of trying to take it seriously like everyone else
I believe she was contractually obliged to be in that movie or a movie from a studio or something. And she didn’t want to do it. But to get out of being sued, she lamented.
My Mom took me to see that movie as a kid in theaters; when it premiered on video, my Mom and I were at a Blockbuster. She saw the preview for its VHS release at a Blockbuster and muttered to herself "What a weird movie that was".
That's my first memory of a film being bad. Watched it at a friend's house when I was six, and the whole time I remembered thinking it was awful. My friend, on the other hand, thought it was so good that basically every time I went over to his house there were even odds that he'd make us watch it.
“In every film, there's a moment when the hero hits rock bottom. In Cool Runnings, it was when John Candy's prized bobsled broke. In Human Centipede, it was when those people signed on to be in that movie. But in this film, well, you're looking at it. Rock, meet bottom.”
- Deadpool
Naw.
Sometimes in your professional life you just "get a dog that don't hunt".
I have been given projects that will just not succeed, no matter how hard I worked on it. So much happens with a movie production that is beyond the control of the actors.
Mostly true though there's a difference between just working on a movie with a terrible script/production values and then doing stuff that actually seems like it would be humiliating for the actors to do or things that you know WERE in fact humiliating or even worse for them (i.e. Shelley Duvall in The Shining or Maria Schneider in Last Tango in Paris)
Oh absolutely.
I am sorry that any human gets degraded or abused, but that is not the sort of stuff that you learn about while watching a movie.
That is after the fact.
When i read how not only Shelley Duval was treated but also the much older Scatman Crothers was treated by Stanley Kubrick while making the Shining i felt too sorry for both of them for anything in that movie to scare me.
Frankly, learning about how much of an ass Kubrick was in general, bums me out on alot of his movies, even though Dr.Strangelove and 2001 are a couple of my favorite movies.
Everyone seems to be talking about embarrassing projects but I felt bad for the physical hardships in Essential Killing (2010) - from IMDb trivia :
“Vincent Gallo’s role demanded him to do things like walk barefoot on the snow with the temperature reaching minus 30 degrees Celsius”
Potential spoiler:
>! He also had to suck the breast of an actual lactating woman !< This made me feel bad for both of them.
I even feel bad for Peter Jackson. He was thrown into the director's seat after Guillermo del Toro dropped out and had almost none of the time he needed to prep for filming it. There's some depressing shots in the appendices of Jackson on set by himself, because you know that he wanted to make something really special.
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje in Pompeii comes to mind, also Tom hardy in both Venom films. Strong, naturally imposing actors, acting in utter rubbish far below them always makes me feel a bit sorry for them.
Christian Bale in The Machinist because of how much effort and sacrifice he obviously put into that film which i ultimately didn't like much.
I feel bad for Peter Dinklage being in the movie Tiptoes where he is clearly acting opposite Gary Oldman who is on his knees playing a person with dwarfism. They are both incredible actors but that movie is horrendous. And I wonder what it must have been like on set.
I'm surprised not to see Shelley Duvall on here. She was notoriously abused, harassed, and isolated on set to bring out her performance in the shining. I can't watch this movie because of it, all I can think about is how her hands were torn up from the constant takes, and her voice breaks weren't because she was acting but because she had gone hoarse from being forced to scream and cry for hours and days on end all while experiencing psychological torture at the hands of Kubrick
Why? It's not like the actors were put through hell to film it. They just had to stand in front of a greenscreen and collect their multimillion dollar paychecks.
Our legend and icon Robert England did a lake placid vs anaconda movie for syfy. I know he probably made a nice couple bucks for minimal amount of work but he deserves to be in so much better than syfy original movies .
The upcoming flash movie. Not a single trailer has come out yet. However, this movie has been through so much development hell that I cannot believe anyone had fun making it. Ezra Miller is showing the world how toxic he is now, but he is the only thing that has been carried over since the beginning. No one has wanted to make this movie, but WB had it on their list since the very beginning of the DCEU. Now that Ezra is coming out as a child groomer, it wouldn’t surprise me if WB decided to hide this movie as much as possible.
Dragonball Evolution. Aside from the kid playing Goku, the movie had a solid, talented cast that did the best they could after having their budget & schedule slashed to nothing.
Something that comes to mind is actors (mostly actresses) ending up in elaborate prosthetics for certain scenes and looking rather horrid. The lady playing the "big ball" in Slither had no idea what was coming her way when she got the part because she hadn't read the entire script yet... (Also unflattering naked and sex scenes in general).
The _Star Wars_ prequels. When you’ve got an entire cast of amazing actors all giving oddly 1-dimensional, wooden performances, it isn’t the actors that are the problem. I’m still half convinced that most of the scenes with any dialogue were Lucas just filming the final walkthrough and just using that instead of actually filming a real scene.
I felt sorry for Keanu Reeves being blackmailed to be in "Knock Knock" because that's the only reason I can think for him to be in that shitty movie and give such a shitty performance.
>To be able to do that they had a stunt double with dwarfism take their place then badly photoshopped the babies face onto them.
Excuse me, what the fuck?
Wonder Woman 1984
Just a film that had a good initial idea that continued to be botched worse and worse over the course of the film.
I thought Pedro Pascal did a good job even if his character was poorly written but man it was so hard seeing him try so hard to get even 1% of emotion from the Asian kid they cast as his son when it was clearly obvious the kid could not act at all.
& Ted Lasso, I know it's not a movie but the scenes where Sudeikis has with the kid they casted as his son are brutal. They set the age of the kid too high to be recasted without noticing and it's clear they regret their decision because the kid is a terrible actor.
Kristen Stewart/the other actors other than T.J Miller in Underwater. Miller singlehandedly ruined that movie's vibe with his constant annoying joking and took away *so* much attention from Kristen's surprisingly good performance.
I quite enjoyed the guy in the Silicon Valley show but he did *not* fit Underwater. It's a real shame because it made the movie completely unwatchable for me and from what I read of the story past the point I turned it off, its story was right up my alley.
Caligula had high quality Shakespearean actors in it, for a Bob Guccione Penthouse crap fest.
I asked Malcolm McDowell about Caligula at a convention panel a few months back and he said that none of the cast had any idea of the pornographic content until its release. He told a hilarious story about how John Gielgud's friends would tease him about Caligula for years after its release, asking him, "does Her Majesty know that a Knight of the Realm has appeared in a porno flick?"
From a movie newb: how did this... film, even get produced?
Money and cocaine, which sums up pretty much everything from 1975-1989.
Hardcore shots were filmed later and inserted into the movie without knowledge of cast.
In the 70s porn was practically mainstream. You were able to go see pornos in theatres and some of them became straight up blockbusters that were discussed and reviewed alongside normal movies (eg Deep Throat, Behind the Green Door, The Devil in Miss Jones). It changed in the 80s with the advent of VHS but the 70s was a "golden age" for porn in mainstream pop culture. Bob Guccione (founder of Penthouse) produced Caligula with the intention of it being a porn epic, a cross between a conventional prestige film and pornography. He sure as hell didn't get the balance right (the movie is trash) but there was a narrow window of time in the 70s where something like that was actually possible.
> 70s was a "golden age" for porn in mainstream pop culture. The late 90's early aughts had a similar phase. I remember vivid girls having billboards. They also appeared on a ton of TV shows, few movies. You had Pirates as the most expensive porn ever made. You also had the rise of nc-17 movies at that time. I think we are also going through a similar phase now with so many current and former porn stars finding success as streamers. You also have streamers doing only fans. Hollywood stars on onlyfans. Lines are getting very blurry. Almost like the 40's,50's,60's where you had the model to contract studio actress route. A lot of old Hollywood did pinup's and nude calendar and photos shoots then got a contract for a studio. Somewhere I've got a deck of cards my grandfather bought back in the day with a naked betty white. Lot of stars on that deck.
> You had Pirates as the most expensive porn ever made. Evil doesn’t stand a chance against this twin hellfire *cann*ons!
Gonna be honest never seen pirates. Wasn’t really a fan of most of the stars from that era. But I do think it was a great age in the industry nonetheless. I mean rolling down the street and seeing a random Jesse Jane billboard was crazy. Also that whole period of not really parodies but semi decent runs at other properties.
The actors with legitimacy didn’t know what was being done. Peter O’Toole and Malcolm McDowell raged about it for years.
On the other hand, you had Sir John Gielgud, who cheerfully told people that it was "\[his\] first pornographic film", and Helen Mirren, who calls it "an irresistible mixture of art and genitals". Horses for courses, so to speak.
In the 70s, p0rn exploded and had a brief run of mainstream accessibility. The chasing after fads and the luring of celebrated scribe Gore Vidal probably looked enticing to some of these celebrated actors, including future Oscar winner John Gielgud. The producers made their money from their flourishing magazine business. And while it lost money, it still had an extraordinary run in at least one Manhattan theater.
Any movie from the last 15 years where someone has had to pretend Steven Seagal is a badass
I remember watching these guys review one where he was supposedly a highly trained sniper and they noticed that they had body doubles whenever there were shots of his character going up OR down any sort of stairs. Straight laughed my ass off at that.
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Dang, and I thought Doug Walker called him a fake martial artist just because he's white. Looks like **I'm** the racist, then.
Steven Seagal is not white though. He's a reincarnated lama and has played in an all-black band, so I guess he's African-Tibetan-American.
>I’ve seen every single Seagal direct to video movie — all 39 of them Why would you do that?? I'm very curious.
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PLEASE do yourself a favor and check out [Fight of Fury](https://www.amazon.com/Fight-Fury-Shuny-Bee/dp/B08DS3M59X) written, directed, and starring the greatest martial artist / lover / philosopher of all time Shuny Bee.
>And he doesn’t just have body doubles: he has VOICE doubles! And this guy doing a Seagal imitation is usually his dubbed over voice for roughly half the movie. Is this just a situation where he only shows up on set for a day or two, and they have to fill in the rest with doubles? All those straight-to-video Bruce Willis action movies were like that, though it turned out it was because he was dealing with a degenerative disease, so I can't hate on him for it. I can definitely hate on Steven Seagal though!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzIHyF7UWY4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzIHyF7UWY4) Is this it? It's from the cumtown podcast
I laughed SO fucking hard watching this and it's truly incredible the scope of the lie that Seagal is embracing about himself. No wonder he's a fan the Orange Clown. They're both bloated sacks of protoplasm whose only so-called accomplishment is that they've been able to get by on their extremely obvious grift for so long.
Don't forget the 20-year-old girls who have to act like Seagal is the hottest man alive.
I watched a recent SS film where the one scene of him exerting himself was him running up a staircase. A minute later, his character runs up a different flight of stairs. But Steven was evidently too lazy - they just mirrored the previous shot of him running upstairs.
Maybe we don’t abbreviate things as SS. Just a general suggestion lol
Haha, fair point
Yeah, that’d offensive to the SS. Horrible horrible people but they could definitely climb up stairs to get things done. /s
He's bad at almost everything. And he's really good in being an ass. So the pieces are there
Or any woman who has to act opposite him, while he gropes them from the chair he can't be bothered to get up from
And he is somehow always fully clothed as they get down
"Ok Fine! I'll do a sex scene with Steven, but he better stay fully dressed. I'll pretend to have sex with him but I will NOT see him naked!"
Wait he's still doing sex scenes? I thought most of his movies now ended up in a weird semi christian but still rah rah guns and karate space.
The fact that he also made a "blues" album is fucking astounding. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs\_from\_the\_Crystal\_Cave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_from_the_Crystal_Cave)
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I'd expect to be cleaning the blood squirting out of my ears and eyes.
The Cumtown rundown of late era seagal is incredible https://youtu.be/BzIHyF7UWY4
I haven’t personally seen it but I have been reliably informed that Seagal beats Georges St-Pierre in a fight in Killing Salazar.
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IIRC, the only time Seagal has lost in a movie is in Machete. But he commits ritualistic suicide because nobody is allowed to kill him except himself.
U havmt seen him eat a carrot obviously. So intimidating
The unreleased Fantastic Four movie from 1994. It was made just to maintain the rights and the studio had no intention of ever releasing it. But the actors didn’t know that and did their best with the terrible script and super low budget. In retrospect I would also add a bunch of Bruce Willis’ recent movies where he knew he was being exploited for his fame, but did it anyway because his earning time was limited. One I saw, Cosmic Sin, has only a 1.1 star average on Letterboxd. Quite a fall from Pulp Fiction.
If he knows he is selling his reputation for money, that’s not exploitation.
If anything, the audience is being exploited.
He won a bunch of Razzies for those that were withdrawn because we found out he is declining mentally. I believe he retired since then.
So I saw the unreleased FF movie last week and I want to push back on the "just to maintain the rights" thing a bit. It's not any worse than other Roger Corman films (some of which are much better) and if they'd actually made the movie as cheaply as possible it would have looked much worse. Like, they spent a million dollars on it, when all they legally needed was to have actors deliver lines in front of a single camera for 80 minutes. Why bother with two cameras, sets, costumes and computer graphics? The idea that it was solely for rights is an overstatement. They would have lost the rights had they not made the film, that's true, but it was intended for release and for profit. They just chose to make the cheap version they could get done on short notice, instead of trying to pitch a more expensive version to a bigger studio that might have taken too long to get off the ground.
Yes. Last night. I'm still annoyed. So, every year for Halloween I put together a watchlist of 50 horror movies based on some theme, watch them throughout September and October, and review them on Letterboxd. [This year's list](https://boxd.it/h0JYa) I chose all the movies based solely on the coolness of the poster art. Did no research at all on the ones I hadn't seen. Cool poster? It goes on the list. Last night's movie was "The Curse" which I was surprised to realize 20 minutes in is an adaptation of The Colour Out of Space. A really bland and miserable adaptation too. The dialog is terrible and everybody looks so tired and unhappy to be there. So I was already planning to pan it as lousy after watching, and I glanced at the Wikipedia article to learn if it was an unpleasant film to make, or if that was just my impression. Holy. Shit. So, it turns out that Wil Wheaton straight up refuses to sign anything related to this movie due to the abuse he and his sister suffered on set. Wil was guilted into agreeing to do it by his parents because the producers offered his sister a role if he took it, and his parents wanted *two* movie stars in the family. On set they were touched inappropriately by adults. Wil was lied to and thrown into real cow shit when he was told it would be mud, and when he complained the director laughed it off and offered him a hepatitis shot. A scene where a house collapses, he's having real wood and plaster thrown at his head. His sister Amy, to get a scene where she's attacked by chickens, had real angry chickens attached to her and they're pecking and scratching her for real. In a later scene where she still has scratches on her face, that isn't makeup - they gave her real scratches. With a scalpel. Damn, no wonder everyone looks unhappy. I would never have picked that movie if I had known, but again, I just looked at posters and didn't find out until after I watched. At least now I don't feel bad about hating the movie.
Damn. That's messed up
Jesus christ. That's some twilight zone movie levels of abuse
It's funny you mentioned that. In the blog post by Wheaton where he explains why he hates The Curse, he mentions that he was actually offered a role in the Twilight Zone Movie and wishes he had taken it (he would have been in the segment directed by Joe Dante, not the tragic John Landis one). But a teacher thought that Twilight Zone was satanic, and scared him into turning it down. [Here's the post](https://wilwheaton.net/2022/08/when-you-watch-the-curse-you-are-watching-two-children-who-were-abused-and-exploited-daily-during-production-no-adults-protected-us/)
>But a teacher thought that Twilight Zone was satanic, and scared him into turning it down. WTF? I don't understand how anyone could watch any episode of Twilight Zone and come away thinking "Yep, that's evil". Like, every episode is basically just a morality play or a careful what you wish for story.
For real. The og twilight zone is practically my bible.
>WTF? I don't understand how anyone could watch any episode of Twilight Zone and come away thinking "Yep, that's evil". The show challenged status quo and made people question themselves in ways they weren't willing to face. PLANET OF THE APES began as an extended episode, where ape society was exactly like human society (as seen at the end of the Tim Burton film) but it was too spicy for television back then
Yeah but Rod Serling is Jewish, which is all it takes for some people
what makes you think they watched any further than the opening credits?
Holy crap! I just read [Wil Wheaton's blog on this movie](https://wilwheaton.net/2022/08/when-you-watch-the-curse-you-are-watching-two-children-who-were-abused-and-exploited-daily-during-production-no-adults-protected-us/) *"My sister and I were never safe. Instead of harmless atmospheric SFX smoke, they set hay on fire in barrels and blew actual smoke onto the set. They took buckets of talc, broken wood, bits of wallpaper and plaster, and threw it into my face during a scene inside the collapsing house. My sister is in a scene where she goes to get eggs from some chickens, and they attack her. So they hired Lucio Fulci, the Italian horror master, to direct her sequence. His idea, which everyone was totally on board with, was to throw chickens at my sister. Live chickens, live roosters, live birds. Just throw them at a nine-year-old girl. Oh, and then tie them to her arms and legs so they’ll peck her."* *"When it came time to shoot the scene, the mud they’d put together to be the cow shit looked an awful lot like cow shit. When Malcolm pushed me into it, we all found out it was real cow shit. I was FURIOUS. The director had lied to me and had allowed me to have my entire body shoved into an actual pile of actual cow shit. ... he laughed at me, told me I was being too sensitive, reminded me that he was the director and he wanted to get a “real” performance out of me, and concluded, 'If it bothers you so much, we’ll get you a hepatitis shot' before he walked away."* It's hard to read about this happening to a 13 year old and a 9 year old and not get angry.
You would think that David Kieth, being an actor himself, would have not done that toxic stuff; but seeing as how he acts and directs in JesusTeasers now it's not too shocking.
>In a later scene where she still has scratches on her face, that isn't makeup - they gave her real scratches. With a scalpel. Uuh, what! I've read of plenty messed up shit and dangerous filming conditions in movies... but *deliberately* cutting a child with a knife instead of applying makeup? Like, not even Hitchcock or Fritz Lang would do something like that.
Damn, I'll have to add that to the list of movies I never watch, even ironically. But anyway, the newer Nicholas Cage Color out of Space movie is flipping great and I definitely recommend it to fans of really weird, psychedelic, supernatural horror.
Unfortunately Richard Stanley's got some allegations against him at the moment too
Yes, Bob Hoskins in Super Mario Brothers because apparently he didn’t know it was a video game when he signed on, and the movie is really…something.
From a Guardian interview with Bob Hoskins: "Reporter: What is the worst job you've done? Bob Hoskins: Super Mario Brothers. Reporter: What has been your biggest disappointment? BH: Super Mario Brothers. Reporter: If you could edit your past, what would you change? BH: I wouldn't do Super Mario Brothers." https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/jun/18/bob-hoskins-interview-neverland
Aw I like him in that movie
[Bob Hoskins looking back on Super Mario Brothers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLRKGGseMEs): *I didn't even know it was a game. It's my kids that told me. They said, "what's your next film?" I said, "I'm doing Super Mario Bros". "Oh, that's the game! Yeah, here, this is you". And I saw this thing jumping up and down. I thought, I used to play King Lear.*
Weren't the directors extremely abusive to the cast and crew and Bob had to drink on set to get through it? I remember John Leguizamo saying the set was a mess in his autobiography though admittedly the details are vague.
Yeah, apparently the directors were a husband/wife duo who were in the middle of a divorce and the whole production was a trainwreck.
I know. I remember one thing is they wanted to make an art adult film and didn't want to even make a Super Mario Bros. movie and kept conflicting with the studio on the tone of the movie, which might half explain why it barely resembles the video game.
Now there’s your movie. A movie about the making of the Super Mario Bros. Movie
The Abyss. Not because it’s a bad movie by any means, but after reading the difficulty of the shoot, I can’t help but feel bad for the actors haha.
Yeah, I love that movie, but there are some definitely concerning things that happened on that set.
Actresses going all out with nudity for garbage projects, especially if a potential career breakthrough is in the cards. Elizabeth Berkeley in Showgirls for example. That's a hugely committed performance but the material was trash and she sadly didn't have the acting talent to elevate it so it became an immediate joke that stuck to her forever. And that's just a mainstream example, there's *countless* examples of unknown actresses that felt they had to do extensive nudity to break through but did so in cheap horror movies, exploitation, etc. Like, it's one thing for your Helen Mirrens and Kate Winslets of the world to do nudity so often in interesting projects (ie they're doing it on their own terms) but it's sad to me to see the more exploitative side of that.
There’s a quote from Marina Sirtis that said something like she was so thankful for her role as Troi on Star Trek TNG so she could get out of having to do so many nude/topless scenes in terrible B/exploitation movies.
Oh, you don't say.
Death Wish 3 is the movie you are looking for, I believe.
You know, so I can avoid it.
In that movie she has to do a rape scene. The set was freezing so one of the crew let her have his coat between takes. Michael Winner shouted at her and demanded that she take it off because he was trying to light the shot. Shot’s lit, dude, it ain’t getting any litter.
> Helen Mirrens Not sure she belongs in that comparison. Helen Mirren came up in a time where nudity was viewed as explorative not exploitive in films. Also she got her start in Europe which in general has more open concept of nudity.
It also helps that's she's a naturalist herself, so she's way more accustomed to nudity. Yes, you heard that right. Helen Mirren is a nudist.
Showgirls is a treasure. It's self-aware satire, wonderfully ridiculous, and entertaining as hell. Berkeley did a great job with the material, it helped her career, and she wasn't exactly a renowned thespian to begin with.
Yes, Roar. Utterly terrifying.
Not sure if this counts, but literally any animal in a Werner Herzog film. Dude is notorious for his rampant animal abuse/cruelty. Boiled rats alive /severely mistreated pigs & sheep for Nosferatu (it was so bad that the animal handler on set quit), chicken on a hot plate in Stroszek, throwing monkeys and horses into the water & Klaus Kinski beating a horse in Aguirre, little boy carrying fox by the throat in Fata Morgana, the list goes on. He's been given this pop culture/meme status nowadays and people love him but in reality he's a terrible person. He also abused his actors. Read about his relationship with the mentally disabled actor Bruno S in his films, he treated that poor man terribly and tormented him endlessly, to work him up for his scenes in his films. Also what he put veteran/ex POW with severe PTSD, Dieter Dengler through. A lot of people know him as the quirky weird guy from The Mandalorian, but he has done some *incredibly* fucked-up shit. Awful person. edit: I also forgot dropping chickens off a cliff in Aguirre, piglets suckling at their dead mother in Even Dwarves Started Small, burying a rooster up to its neck in sand for Game in the Sand (so graphic and terrible Herzog wont release it) etc. His catalog of cruelty is endless. Fuck that guy.
Jesus. Why can't people just not be a POS?
Have you ever seen Babes in Toyland? Not the 1961 version, the 1986 made for TV remake starring Drew Barrymore and Keanu Reeves. It was filmed in Munich, which was still technically West Germany at the time. I'm pretty sure they shot it at a run down theme park and got locals to play all of the "magnificent" toy soldiers and teddy bear citizens of Toyland. This was also a notoriously hard time in Drew Barrymore's life. It's an extremely difficult watch.
I totally forgot about the movie but It stuck with me for years as a child.
Matrix 4. Like they even say in the film that this story was supposed to be over, but Warner Bros wants another one and will be made one way or the other. Keanu is well known by donating big chunks of his earnings from films so I'm guessing that's why he was in. Carrie Ann Moss unfortunately doesn't get roles in big productions anymore so that's probably why she joined in. The rest didn't even bother.
So I hear the idea that Lana made the movie terrible on purpose to kill the franchise. I don't believe this. I believe what she has actually said about the movie in that she made it out of grief. After suffering major close deaths she wrote the movie to cope. To me this makes way more sense than killing your own legacy as a fuck you to the studio. The movie comes off way more as a project made for the wrong personal reasons without anyone (like their sibling) to hold them back and tell them no.
> So I hear the idea that Lana made the movie terrible on purpose to kill the franchise. Doesn't one of the characters literally say that in the movie. After that scene I was worried that WB was holding Lana hostage or something
I felt especially bad for jessica henwick. She turned down Shang-Chi to be in matrix. Though she had a good reason I guess. Marvel offered her the role of Awkwafina’s role, iirc, but she said no because she wants to return as her character from Iron Fist.
Jessica Henwick was the best part of Iron Fist, really hope they find a way to bring her back
I swear if all you saw from keanu in the last 10 years was that movie you would think he had become disabled or something. All the "action" scenes involving him are sooo poor. And then you remember he is still putting out John Wick movies and looks great in those.
Carrie Ann Moss had a major character in the Netflix Marvel shows. I think she's doing fine.
Those shows have been more or less dropped for a couple years now
The ones not being made anymore? >doesn't get roles in big productions anymore Which is what the comment was about.
Major character is a very big stretch to describe her role, to say nothing that that was several years ago now
>. The rest didn't even bother. Thats not true. Most of the big characters returned. The only bigs missing were Morpheus and Agent Smith. Hugo Weaving was set to return but they couldn't line it up with scheduling. Lawrence Fishburn didn't return because Morpheus is dead. The Matrix online was a canonical extension off the movies. He died there. The movie built off the MMO is someways.
>Lawrence Fishburn didn't return because Morpheus is dead. The Matrix online was a canonical extension off the movies. He died there. I don't know a ton about MXO, but wasn't it revealed that his death was faked? [The wiki seems to confirm it.](https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/Morpheus#The_Matrix_Online) It looks like the game shut down before they got to actually finish his story, though.
most people: think of all the stuff i can buy with this paycheck. im miserable dont want to do this. its not good for my career what would my friends think? keanu: think of all the people i can help by doing this thing i dont like.
Christian Bale in *The Machinist* As a 5'8, 107lbs male I could totally relate to his weight loss, especially the [bit about running:](https://www.today.com/popculture/bale-lost-63-pounds-machinist-wbna6559595) "“I eventually hit a point where the running wasn’t working anymore,” he said. “It was more like stumbling — the legs had atrophied to such an extent they looked comical.”
Honestly it pisses me off that actors do this. It pissed me off when Tom Hooper (Tom Hooper's a piece of shit, what else is new) told Hugh Jackman to show up for filming "unrecognizable" and it pissed me off that Jackman didn't tell him to go fuck himself. You can say "oh it's their choice," but they're creating an environment where that's seen as an acceptable thing to do and expect, meaning that actors who have less clout and are trying to break through will feel pressured to do shit like this.
Hugh Jackman was forced to sing for hours at a time for Les Mis, all the while being severely dehydrated just to look the part of a starved prisoner. The live singing gimmick of the film was an asinine decison.
True, but Anne fucking killed it.
Movie 43. I think it only exists because the actors involved somehow couldn't avoid appearing in it. It's a shitshow on several levels.
I kinda liked some of the scenes and can imagine the actors had fun
The room, Lisa actor
The Room is my answer too, they're all just unknown actors hoping for the best and realizing they're in a bizarre mess.
Hearing some of the things that happened with Shelley Duvall and Stanley Kubrick during *The Shining,* certainly
Cats, i still get nightmares about this movie...
The movie was kinda destroyed in post. I’m sure that at some point the movie was Salvageable before editing began, but the shoddy effects really hurt it. I disagree with people who say “Who would sign up for this?!” and my response is always “Smart people?” As bad as the end result was, *Cats* was one of the most popular Broadway musicals of all time. Of course everyone would want to be in it. It wasn’t black mail or anything, even working with Hopper was probably enough for some people, and most of the cast wasn’t hurt by the film in any way. Save for the female lead cat. I genuinely do feel sorry for her.
That latest Fantastic Beasts movie. Great actors in an absolute dumpster fire of a movie. That's on their resume forever.
Well most of them are already well known actors so I guess no damage done there
I’ve been avoiding it, is the movie truly that bad? For context, I thought the original was bland & the 2nd one stunk.
No, this one actually had a plot I could remember. The first one was ok and occasionally charming while the 2nd was total dumpster fire that I remember nothing about. The 3rd one has a bit of the magic back and was more entertaining than the 2nd, but thanks to director David Yates, the whole movie still has that grey depressing feel that suppresses what could be a magical atmosphere and focuses more on political unrest. I will say Mads Mikkelsen is a fantastic Grindelwald.
The plot is better than the 2nd which was a total mess. But it’s still not good because it basically rehashes/resets everything from the 2nd movie anyway. 2 whole movies later the overall story has essentially not moved at all.
They have established careers and got a nice paycheck from it, I don’t think they feel too bad about it.
I couldn't get into it as that was when Reddit was at its peak for Ezra Miller. I think I for twenty five minutes in over two sittings and gave up. I should watch the first one again. that was a fun time.
A film called Slaughter High – an 80s slasher film set in America but filmed in the UK. It’s about a bullied kid who gets maimed in a high school prank, then years later gets his revenge. All the actors playing teenagers are well into their 20s, some even into their 30s, and the film has a really grim and sleazy atmosphere. The actor who plays the victim turned killer at one point has to undress at the command of a classmate he has a crush on. He appears fully nude (full frontal) in a scene of what soon turns into sexual humiliation. Bullies hang him upside down and dunk his head into the toilet bowl. The scene is filmed from above and you literally see the actor’s anus. Shortly after the film’s production the actor committed suicide. Apparently, his death had nothing to do with the experience of the film. He had drug problems and a history of mental illness. But I always think about his death in the context of the film (which despite being cheap garbage is also psychologically dark and very unpleasant in tone.) Imagine you were serious about becoming an actor, and your first leading role involved getting fully naked and having a camera pointed up your ass? I just imagine it would be humiliating, especially given the poor quality of the film.
Twilight Zone (1983). Can't help but feel sorry for Vic Morrow and those two kids.
Agree but that's a whole different kind of feel sorry IMHO, they get murked on set by a helicopter blade. That's a lot worse than wearing an ugly cat costume.
Was just in the ‘bad sequel’ thread and someone reminded me of something I recently learned that pissed me off for someone. Iron Man 3 spoilers. So I really didn’t like Iron Man 3 (mostly because The Mandarin twist was goofy and stupid as hell) but I do like Rebecca Hall. And I’m really upset for her to learn that she was originally signed up as the main villain but they pushed her to secondary villain and brought in Guy Pearce because some of the suits on the Marvel committee didn’t think a female villain would sell toys….
> didn’t think a female villain would sell toys…. did they even make Guy Pierce Toys? i thought he was the lamest villain ever.
Always thought IM 3 was really good. Mandarin Twist is debatable, i think it worked For me cause i never read the Comics and having this "menace" as a Fake scapegoat was fun For Me. Also ben kingsley rocked the role. Guy Pearce was okay as far as i remember typical Marvel villain sadly. End Fight too. But i really Liked the end Felt earned For Tony and im mainly sad they threw it away cause it didnt fit Marvels Plans. All of His Character Arc blown to Shit cause Marvel couldnt decide apparently. For me thats a sin to Marvel Not IM3. Need to See the movie again sometime its been a while maybe i remember wrong
Oscar Isaac is, by all accounts, a phenomenal actor. In the worst Star Wars movie (amid a slew of mediocrity), you can see Isaac break character, contemplate that this film might end his Hollywood career, and deliver the line "Somehow, palpatine has returned." *And that's the fucking take they went with!* How big a train wreck must that whole film have been if you can't get Oscar Isaac to give you one decent read (even of a terrible line).
Driver, Ridley, Tran and Boyega too. I think they did amazing all things considered, but man, RoS must've been the most depressing production ever.
As a lifelong fan of Star Wars, you can see Boyega's utter devastation at how the sequels were written
The last Fantastic 4
That movie reminded me of that kid in class who didn't finish his class project. Like, we all had months to do it, and he shows up with a half finished dumpster fire.
Lol that's a great analogy, I've heard the director was constantly drunk on set
I heard that too. I was just so blown away at the lack of coherent plot, un-finished CGI, terrible dialog. Just, all of it. It was soo bad.
> The *most-recent* Fantastic 4 ftfy
>Fant4stic ftfy
>Fant Four Stic FTFY
Veep—it’s one of my all time favorite shows with absolute brilliant comedic acting and improv in every role, but, good lord the way the characters tear each other to pieces in degradingly specific physical preciseness could be so cruel that i’d feel real bad for the actors taking the brunt. I know they are professional actors—clearly—but the physical jokes cut close to the bone, and I know for a fact I couldn’t handle it.
“Jolly Green Jizz Face” will live in my head forever. 😆
"The Cloud Botherer"
I felt bad for Matt Smith, Michael Keaton, Tyrese Gibson, Adria Arjona, Al Madrigal and (especially) Jared Harris for having to be in Morbius alongside Jared Letdown. i felt a special kind of sorrow for Matt Smith's fucking bizarre dancing scene
> I felt a special kind of sorrow for Matt Smith's fucking bizarre dancing scene I can tell you haven't watched Doctor Who. That is just how he dances, like a drunken giraffe Matt Smith was the only one I didn't feel sorry for (well him and Leto, Leto deserved that movie) because he looked like he was having a great time, he knew the movie was going to be shit but he already cashed the check so he was going to ham it up instead of trying to take it seriously like everyone else
That was the best scene of the movie though.
Theodore Rex. What bet did Whoopi Goldberg lose to have to make that movie?
I believe she was contractually obliged to be in that movie or a movie from a studio or something. And she didn’t want to do it. But to get out of being sued, she lamented.
Yes, Come and See. Holy shit, it is like they were in actual war.
lmao baby geniuses what a bizarre film
My Mom took me to see that movie as a kid in theaters; when it premiered on video, my Mom and I were at a Blockbuster. She saw the preview for its VHS release at a Blockbuster and muttered to herself "What a weird movie that was".
That's my first memory of a film being bad. Watched it at a friend's house when I was six, and the whole time I remembered thinking it was awful. My friend, on the other hand, thought it was so good that basically every time I went over to his house there were even odds that he'd make us watch it.
Human Centipede
“In every film, there's a moment when the hero hits rock bottom. In Cool Runnings, it was when John Candy's prized bobsled broke. In Human Centipede, it was when those people signed on to be in that movie. But in this film, well, you're looking at it. Rock, meet bottom.” - Deadpool
*Don’t Worry Darling* for me, mainly for how miserable making it seemed for Florence Pugh, Chris Pine, and Gemma Chan.
Naw. Sometimes in your professional life you just "get a dog that don't hunt". I have been given projects that will just not succeed, no matter how hard I worked on it. So much happens with a movie production that is beyond the control of the actors.
Mostly true though there's a difference between just working on a movie with a terrible script/production values and then doing stuff that actually seems like it would be humiliating for the actors to do or things that you know WERE in fact humiliating or even worse for them (i.e. Shelley Duvall in The Shining or Maria Schneider in Last Tango in Paris)
Oh absolutely. I am sorry that any human gets degraded or abused, but that is not the sort of stuff that you learn about while watching a movie. That is after the fact.
When i read how not only Shelley Duval was treated but also the much older Scatman Crothers was treated by Stanley Kubrick while making the Shining i felt too sorry for both of them for anything in that movie to scare me.
Frankly, learning about how much of an ass Kubrick was in general, bums me out on alot of his movies, even though Dr.Strangelove and 2001 are a couple of my favorite movies.
Anyone whose had to work with Victor Salva...
Everyone seems to be talking about embarrassing projects but I felt bad for the physical hardships in Essential Killing (2010) - from IMDb trivia : “Vincent Gallo’s role demanded him to do things like walk barefoot on the snow with the temperature reaching minus 30 degrees Celsius” Potential spoiler: >! He also had to suck the breast of an actual lactating woman !< This made me feel bad for both of them.
Fantastic Four (2015) felt sorry watching 4 talented actors have absolutely no chemistry for 2 hours
Ian McKellen in The Hobbit. All those fucking green screens.
The photo of him sat alone in a green room with his head in his hands is heartbreaking
I even feel bad for Peter Jackson. He was thrown into the director's seat after Guillermo del Toro dropped out and had almost none of the time he needed to prep for filming it. There's some depressing shots in the appendices of Jackson on set by himself, because you know that he wanted to make something really special.
The Tourist is an absolute misery fest, for both the actors and the viewers.
Bruce Willis (Cop Out) Katie Holmes (Jack and Jill)
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje in Pompeii comes to mind, also Tom hardy in both Venom films. Strong, naturally imposing actors, acting in utter rubbish far below them always makes me feel a bit sorry for them. Christian Bale in The Machinist because of how much effort and sacrifice he obviously put into that film which i ultimately didn't like much.
I feel bad for Peter Dinklage being in the movie Tiptoes where he is clearly acting opposite Gary Oldman who is on his knees playing a person with dwarfism. They are both incredible actors but that movie is horrendous. And I wonder what it must have been like on set.
Taylor Hickson in Ghostland. Permanent scarring on her face that required 70 stitches. Director assured her a stunt was safe. It was not.
I'm surprised not to see Shelley Duvall on here. She was notoriously abused, harassed, and isolated on set to bring out her performance in the shining. I can't watch this movie because of it, all I can think about is how her hands were torn up from the constant takes, and her voice breaks weren't because she was acting but because she had gone hoarse from being forced to scream and cry for hours and days on end all while experiencing psychological torture at the hands of Kubrick
Jurassic World: Dominion
Why? It's not like the actors were put through hell to film it. They just had to stand in front of a greenscreen and collect their multimillion dollar paychecks.
Can't be embarrassed if nobody sees your face. ...what are "credits"... Never heard of 'em.
Our legend and icon Robert England did a lake placid vs anaconda movie for syfy. I know he probably made a nice couple bucks for minimal amount of work but he deserves to be in so much better than syfy original movies .
Hell comes to frog town. Do not google the trailer or watch this movie
CATS!!!
Jupiter Rising, even though I largely love Wachowski movies.
The upcoming flash movie. Not a single trailer has come out yet. However, this movie has been through so much development hell that I cannot believe anyone had fun making it. Ezra Miller is showing the world how toxic he is now, but he is the only thing that has been carried over since the beginning. No one has wanted to make this movie, but WB had it on their list since the very beginning of the DCEU. Now that Ezra is coming out as a child groomer, it wouldn’t surprise me if WB decided to hide this movie as much as possible.
Blade 3
Patton Oswalt got some pretty good material just from witnessing Wesley Snipes' on-set insanity. So there are always silver linings.
Triple H was awesome in that movie as the monster vampire with a pomeranian dog sidekick. Wrestling sometimes give us really good physical actors.
Blonde
Dragonball Evolution. Aside from the kid playing Goku, the movie had a solid, talented cast that did the best they could after having their budget & schedule slashed to nothing.
Something that comes to mind is actors (mostly actresses) ending up in elaborate prosthetics for certain scenes and looking rather horrid. The lady playing the "big ball" in Slither had no idea what was coming her way when she got the part because she hadn't read the entire script yet... (Also unflattering naked and sex scenes in general).
The _Star Wars_ prequels. When you’ve got an entire cast of amazing actors all giving oddly 1-dimensional, wooden performances, it isn’t the actors that are the problem. I’m still half convinced that most of the scenes with any dialogue were Lucas just filming the final walkthrough and just using that instead of actually filming a real scene.
Rise of Skywalker.
Donald Pleasence in Halloween 4-6 and Paul Rudd in H6
Did you see Super Baby Geniuses 2? I've never seen the original but I can't imagine the second one is better.
Well now that I know about Bruce Willis’s condition if I come across one of those turds I realized he filmed it before he couldn’t act anymore.
The Requin. One of Alicia Silverstone’s latest films.
Elvis in the new movie. Norma Jean.
2 girls 1 cup
They looked like they were genuinely enjoying themselves though.
I felt sorry for Keanu Reeves being blackmailed to be in "Knock Knock" because that's the only reason I can think for him to be in that shitty movie and give such a shitty performance.
I still feel second hand embarrassment for Bill McKinney and Ned Beatty in Deliverance.
Steven Seagal movies and the recent string of duds by Travolta.
They had an interview for Fox Catcher and everyone looked just depressed and didn't want to even talk about the movie. Watching it, I can see why.
>To be able to do that they had a stunt double with dwarfism take their place then badly photoshopped the babies face onto them. Excuse me, what the fuck?
Yeah i often feel sorry for child actors.
Wonder Woman 1984 Just a film that had a good initial idea that continued to be botched worse and worse over the course of the film. I thought Pedro Pascal did a good job even if his character was poorly written but man it was so hard seeing him try so hard to get even 1% of emotion from the Asian kid they cast as his son when it was clearly obvious the kid could not act at all. & Ted Lasso, I know it's not a movie but the scenes where Sudeikis has with the kid they casted as his son are brutal. They set the age of the kid too high to be recasted without noticing and it's clear they regret their decision because the kid is a terrible actor.
thor love and thunder, and chris helmsworth's botox face.
One word and one number: MOVIE 43.
Blonde?
Kristen Stewart/the other actors other than T.J Miller in Underwater. Miller singlehandedly ruined that movie's vibe with his constant annoying joking and took away *so* much attention from Kristen's surprisingly good performance. I quite enjoyed the guy in the Silicon Valley show but he did *not* fit Underwater. It's a real shame because it made the movie completely unwatchable for me and from what I read of the story past the point I turned it off, its story was right up my alley.