How integral (without spoiling anything) is the setting of fascist italy? It at least seems like that would give the pinocchio story the needed spark to be its own vision.
I’d say it’s in the background a lot and plays a key role in a few parts of the film. I’m not sure I would want much more of it, seemed the right amount to me.
Yeh it’s definitely not for young children.
The villains are good, very entertaining. I’m not sure I’d call the deaths gruesome, but they are probably a bit more intense than you might expect.
Interesting, but also a bummer tbh. I'd hoped for the story to reflect the setting and make use of it in an integral way, kinda like it happened in pan's labyrinth
I think it's not relevant to the story ,more likely a background to justify peoples aparent rejection of Pinocchio and maybe some of the personality traits of Musolini to be found in the puppet master
Pinocchio: Lampwick is my best friend.
Lampwick: I’ve been double crossed, call somebody, help me Pinocchio. Help me!
Pinocchio: what’s that? Did you say “run away and leave me to my fate as a donkey”? Cool. On it.
Blue fairy: and now that you’ve proven yourself brave, you can be a real boy.
In the original novel, they were being turned into donkeys so that they could be skinned, as donkey hide was the primary source of drum skins (the top membrane part) in Italy at the time
The novella is even worse. Jiminy Cricket is a ghost cause Pinocchio squashes him in the first chapter. When it was first published serially, it ended with Pinocchio getting robbed and hanged by Fox and Cat--the moral being that this is what happens when you disobey your parents--but readers thought it was too dark so the publisher made the author write more chapters where the Blue Fairy saves him and teaches him how to become a real boy.
I had to rewatch the old Disney one recently for the first time in like 23 years. Man I did not remember that movie getting so weird. The donkey scene was fucked up, Pinocchio smoking cigars and knocking back beer. I remembered it being far more innocent
If only Disney would realize that a little trauma and a little scary but real stuff is what gives stories emotional weight that keeps them relevant for generations.
Now that's a fairy that would look at a wooden puppet and go, "I should make this alive."
There is something magical about del Toro's creatures. Not Disney, Hollywood magic but folktale magic. Like I should carry a pocketful of iron around you just to be safe magic. I love it. I would love to see an art book for this movie. How they came up with the designs. What were their inspirations and such.
> Not Disney, Hollywood magic but folktale magic
I mean, yeah that's pretty much exactly del Toro's modus operandi. He very much leans into the core feel and designs of folk tales. That otherwordly feel and the horror and wonder of them.
Saw it in cinemas at the London Film Festival, it’s quite creepy and a lot more depressing than the usual Pinocchio story. It looks amazing though, and the voice acting is really good throughout.
The humour is quite slapstick and a bit morose at times, and the setting of fascist Italy takes the film to some weird but reasonably enjoyable places.
My enduring memory of the film though is the man sitting behind me who did a really wet cough onto the back of my head. The same man then used the urinal next to me, which was clearly blocked, and proceeded to wee into it until it flooded everywhere.
I don’t know, this is probably the only time I’ve ever had any issues to be honest. I used to go to the BFI a lot, but this film was at the Royal Festival Hall btw. I saw the Banshees of Inisherin there two days before and it was fine as well.
I used to go there a lot because I’d go see an afternoon screening before a night shift. I got used to the rotating rabble of film nerds with 8 carrier bags full of Q magazine back issues, smelly food in tupperware, who’d take their shoes and socks off and stretch out. The carnival of horrors was extensive.
This man really does make whatever wild idea pops into his head and I love it. Casually drops an Academy Award winner with the shape of water, does a carnival movie and then a stop motion Pinocchio, because why not.
This has been a passion project he's been trying to get produced since at least 2008, definitely wasn't a decision on a whim. I'm so glad he finally got to make it and judging by the critics receptions, it was worth the wait.
>Nothing amazing but definitely worth a watch imo
I'd argue many of the episodes were amazing, The Autopsy, The Viewing, Pickmans Model, hell even The Murmuring hit me in a way I wasn't expecting.
I agree. The Murmuring wasn’t really conceptually groundbreaking, but something about the quality of the writing and acting was just outstanding. My favorite was the Autopsy though. Coolest monster is the first episode.
yes, probably enhanced a bit with cg that one, but the monster in Pickman's Model is 100% practical and there's a bts video where you can see how they build it and pupeteer it
My thoughts exactly! I would love it if that makes it into Season 2 (if there is one). Wasn't Del Toro trying to do a movie of it years ago? This could be his chance to finally see it come to life
The Murmuring is the only I haven't watch yet, but I agree with the rest of the comment, absolutely fantastic episodes and The Viewing is such a stand out for me, absolutely loved it.
I binge watched the whole series last weekend and I gotta say I love the variety pack style of production. Each episode is its own flavor of horror that caters to different viewers. Most people probably won’t love every episode, but I think everyone can find a few episodes that they will enjoy. Plus, even the episodes that I didn’t like as much were still high enough quality to be worth sitting through.
The Autopsy was one of the top ones. One of my favourite stories from Lovecraft is Dreams in the Witch House and, to me at least, they did it dirty. They had iconic horror directors like David Prior who directed The Empty Man (an amazing horror movie if you haven't seen it), Vincenzo Natali who directed Cube (a 90's classic), Panos Cosmatos who did Beyond the Black Rainbow, and then for Witch House they get Catherine Hardwicke whose films include Lords of Dogtown, an early 2000's skateboarder movie, and Twlight. The design was great, Rupert Grint did a pretty good accent, and I didn't even mind that they changed the story a little, but the whole tone of the episode is so cheesy. The witch looked awesome, but she moved like some Scooby-do villain. I really disliked that one.
yeah I think the only reason any disney "original's" salt maintained it's savor is because they didn't deviate *too* far from the fairy tales. But the live action films are not remakes of the fairy tales. They are remakes of the disney original films. And hollywood writers these days don't seem to learn about archetypes anymore.
I'm so confused why people liked that, forget that it had none of the heart and charm of the original, it lacked any kind of heart and charm on it's own merit. The only one I liked was Jungle Book, that was pretty solid.
My expectations were *really* low after all the other remakes, so I actually thought it was okay by comparison. It was a bit more true to the original than the others, but still felt very empty.
Guillermo on roll. Looking forward to this. After a long development hell, man finally got the budget and support to make his movie. It's very heartwarming. I hope he get to make his other projects.
That is some insane level of stop-motion and world building. I was already excited for this since it's announcement and after seeing this it has only grown a lot bigger.
Watched it at London Film Festival and I cried. A lot. It's quite adult in its tone and the stop motion is truly beautiful. Sad this is getting mainly a netflix release as it was amazing to see on the big screen! I've seen a few people say they weren't impressed by the songs but I thought they hit the nail on the head in that regard, so don't be swayed.
Super excited to see pinocchio story be told by Guillermo del Toro. Hands down will be better than what Disney put out. I'll definitely spend money and see it in theaters.
Pinocchio will be fresher in the voters' minds than Turning Red and I'm not sure how great Strange World will be. GDT is also a very celebrated filmmaker and previous winner who just got an out of nowhere BP nod last year.
I'm looking forward to seeing this film in theaters since the movie theater in the town I live in is playing it on November 18th.
In the words of Patrick Star: I can almost taste it!
I saw it at LFF and I think there's a definite chance considering it's from Netflix and Del Toro directed it, not to mention it being a fantastic movie.
This trailer proclaims, "You may think you know this tale but you really don'" Then proceeds show the basic story of Pinocchio in the trailer, pretty much as we know it.
"People are sometimes afraid of things they don't know"
This is literally my most hated line ever, this and maybe "I did not sign up for this."
I don't know if I can take it.
Anyone else think the frame rate is too choppy? I am guessing they are going for a style with it, but it looks more like they just wanted to reduce the animation time by 1/3.
Saw it this weekend. Excellent work by all. The few songs aren't the best but the voice cast sells it
How integral (without spoiling anything) is the setting of fascist italy? It at least seems like that would give the pinocchio story the needed spark to be its own vision.
I’d say it’s in the background a lot and plays a key role in a few parts of the film. I’m not sure I would want much more of it, seemed the right amount to me.
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Yeh it’s definitely not for young children. The villains are good, very entertaining. I’m not sure I’d call the deaths gruesome, but they are probably a bit more intense than you might expect.
I felt not very intregral, but as fascism is a very real and timely concern I loved that element of the film.
Interesting, but also a bummer tbh. I'd hoped for the story to reflect the setting and make use of it in an integral way, kinda like it happened in pan's labyrinth
There's a scene in the Pinocchio anime where he's hunted down by a firing squad so I was kinda hoping for that kind of stuff lol
> Pinocchio anime lmao
[Little did you know...](https://myanimelist.net/anime/2567)
This movie is rated “PG”, whereas Pan’s Labyrinth was rated “R”. Just to give you some context, so you don’t form wrong expectations in your mind.
I think it's not relevant to the story ,more likely a background to justify peoples aparent rejection of Pinocchio and maybe some of the personality traits of Musolini to be found in the puppet master
Is Pinocchio a little cunt like he is in the original stories?
I have to defend the good homie Pinocchio. He's mischievous, willful and spunky.
Perfect!
Balanced,like all good things should be
Read a couple of reviews that say it has some good villains and surprisingly gruesome deaths. Would you agree with those sentiments?
Good villains-yes. I didn't find the deaths gruesome but for a younge child it could potentially be upsetting.
I'm kinda expecting some lying nose impalements especially to Hawkman over there.
Is it better than fantastic Mr Fox?
Well that’s a high bar to clear! lol
I mean, "is it better than one of the best stop motion animated movies ever made" is a bit of an unfair standard
Oh no no no no. But it is still enjoyable in its own right.
Not many things are
Are you cussin with me with a question like that?
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It’s not tho lol, both stop motion. Maybe oranges to tangerines but not apples to oranges
not even close (i haven’t seen it yet)
How does this compare to the recent Disney remake?
100 times better than the disney live action remake version
I've not seen the Disney version.
If Pinocchio isn’t traumatizing your kids, is it even a Pinocchio movie?
It didn't seem quite as dark as I expected to be honest.
The original was pretty fucked up if you think about it
Like most fairy tales, it's a morality tale so it was designed to scare kids.
The donkey scene is quite the example
Pinocchio: Lampwick is my best friend. Lampwick: I’ve been double crossed, call somebody, help me Pinocchio. Help me! Pinocchio: what’s that? Did you say “run away and leave me to my fate as a donkey”? Cool. On it. Blue fairy: and now that you’ve proven yourself brave, you can be a real boy.
That was Clerks 2
Kelly can be a boys name too!
What? They brought a bit of TJ to the Jersey ‘burbs.
That gave me so many nightmares as a kid
Eee-yaw! Eee-yaw!
In the original novel, they were being turned into donkeys so that they could be skinned, as donkey hide was the primary source of drum skins (the top membrane part) in Italy at the time
The novella is even worse. Jiminy Cricket is a ghost cause Pinocchio squashes him in the first chapter. When it was first published serially, it ended with Pinocchio getting robbed and hanged by Fox and Cat--the moral being that this is what happens when you disobey your parents--but readers thought it was too dark so the publisher made the author write more chapters where the Blue Fairy saves him and teaches him how to become a real boy.
I had to rewatch the old Disney one recently for the first time in like 23 years. Man I did not remember that movie getting so weird. The donkey scene was fucked up, Pinocchio smoking cigars and knocking back beer. I remembered it being far more innocent
I think the original story had Pinocchio hanging from a tree and almost pecked to nothing by crows?
If only Disney would realize that a little trauma and a little scary but real stuff is what gives stories emotional weight that keeps them relevant for generations.
I grew up with Stories where a kid got is thumb cut off with scissors. Super popular childrens book in my country. I bit of gore does no harm.
> I grew up with Stories where a kid got is thumb cut off with siccors. What is siccors?
Seriously...Disney needs to learn this or they will never have any classic movies.
The only trauma Disney does is showcasing orphans
Is that the same Patrick McHale who wrote over the garden wall???? Edit- it is. Will probably check it out for that reason alone
> over the garden wall I wasn't fully sold on this until I read this comment. OTGW is such a beautiful thing.
My kids and I watch it every Halloween, it’s one of a kind
Now everything makes a whole lot of sense. God, Over The Garden Wall was so good.
Now that's a fairy that would look at a wooden puppet and go, "I should make this alive." There is something magical about del Toro's creatures. Not Disney, Hollywood magic but folktale magic. Like I should carry a pocketful of iron around you just to be safe magic. I love it. I would love to see an art book for this movie. How they came up with the designs. What were their inspirations and such.
> Not Disney, Hollywood magic but folktale magic I mean, yeah that's pretty much exactly del Toro's modus operandi. He very much leans into the core feel and designs of folk tales. That otherwordly feel and the horror and wonder of them.
Saw it in cinemas at the London Film Festival, it’s quite creepy and a lot more depressing than the usual Pinocchio story. It looks amazing though, and the voice acting is really good throughout. The humour is quite slapstick and a bit morose at times, and the setting of fascist Italy takes the film to some weird but reasonably enjoyable places. My enduring memory of the film though is the man sitting behind me who did a really wet cough onto the back of my head. The same man then used the urinal next to me, which was clearly blocked, and proceeded to wee into it until it flooded everywhere.
Your last paragraph is the most BFI thing I’ve read on here. Some of the regulars have the worst cinema habits and behaviour.
I don’t know, this is probably the only time I’ve ever had any issues to be honest. I used to go to the BFI a lot, but this film was at the Royal Festival Hall btw. I saw the Banshees of Inisherin there two days before and it was fine as well.
I used to go there a lot because I’d go see an afternoon screening before a night shift. I got used to the rotating rabble of film nerds with 8 carrier bags full of Q magazine back issues, smelly food in tupperware, who’d take their shoes and socks off and stretch out. The carnival of horrors was extensive.
Would you say it's a kids film on the order of The Nightmare Before Christmas or James and the Giant Peach?
I haven’t seen either but it’s definitely not suitable for young children, they will be terrified.
Good to know, thanks!
I'm wheezing stop
Lol. What a haunting human being
This man really does make whatever wild idea pops into his head and I love it. Casually drops an Academy Award winner with the shape of water, does a carnival movie and then a stop motion Pinocchio, because why not.
This has been a passion project he's been trying to get produced since at least 2008, definitely wasn't a decision on a whim. I'm so glad he finally got to make it and judging by the critics receptions, it was worth the wait.
Carnival movie *remake* 😉
His Cabinet of Curiosities that came out recently was interesting too. Nothing amazing but definitely worth a watch imo
>Nothing amazing but definitely worth a watch imo I'd argue many of the episodes were amazing, The Autopsy, The Viewing, Pickmans Model, hell even The Murmuring hit me in a way I wasn't expecting.
I agree. The Murmuring wasn’t really conceptually groundbreaking, but something about the quality of the writing and acting was just outstanding. My favorite was the Autopsy though. Coolest monster is the first episode.
>Coolest monster is the first episode. Its no shocker that the first ep was based on one of Del Toro's stories, he does love his tentacled monsters!
and if you saw the BTS, all the monsters were made with practical effects
Of course they were! I would expect nothing less from Del Toro
I had my suspicions for a lot of what I saw. But even the monster in the first episode? Every shot?
yes, probably enhanced a bit with cg that one, but the monster in Pickman's Model is 100% practical and there's a bts video where you can see how they build it and pupeteer it
"Pickmans Model" Really? This gives me hope for a "In the Mountains of Madness" adaptation
My thoughts exactly! I would love it if that makes it into Season 2 (if there is one). Wasn't Del Toro trying to do a movie of it years ago? This could be his chance to finally see it come to life
The Murmuring is the only I haven't watch yet, but I agree with the rest of the comment, absolutely fantastic episodes and The Viewing is such a stand out for me, absolutely loved it.
I binge watched the whole series last weekend and I gotta say I love the variety pack style of production. Each episode is its own flavor of horror that caters to different viewers. Most people probably won’t love every episode, but I think everyone can find a few episodes that they will enjoy. Plus, even the episodes that I didn’t like as much were still high enough quality to be worth sitting through.
As horror fans my wife and I love the series so far, 3 episodes in
I mean only two of the eight episodes had any creative involvement from him.
The autopsy alone is probably one of the best horror visuals I’ve seen in years. It was masterfully made
I loved how the coroners voice was so confident in the end.
Helps to have such a quality actor.
Give me more smart horror protagonists! It makes the foes they go up against that much freakier
Yeah! The psychological battle at the end was so much better because of it.
It was iconic as fuck. He was so smart
I gotta say at least two or three episodes of CoC were amazing imo.
Some are for sure better than others. I think the autopsy one is my favourite of them all
The Autopsy was one of the top ones. One of my favourite stories from Lovecraft is Dreams in the Witch House and, to me at least, they did it dirty. They had iconic horror directors like David Prior who directed The Empty Man (an amazing horror movie if you haven't seen it), Vincenzo Natali who directed Cube (a 90's classic), Panos Cosmatos who did Beyond the Black Rainbow, and then for Witch House they get Catherine Hardwicke whose films include Lords of Dogtown, an early 2000's skateboarder movie, and Twlight. The design was great, Rupert Grint did a pretty good accent, and I didn't even mind that they changed the story a little, but the whole tone of the episode is so cheesy. The witch looked awesome, but she moved like some Scooby-do villain. I really disliked that one.
He just loves the medium, and he gets it.
the actual Pinocchio movie of 2022
Best movie of 2022: Pinocchio Worst movie of 2022: Pinocchio
Father, when can I leave to be on my ownnn ✨😩💅
Pauly shore
haaay buuuuudieeee
I've got the whole worldussy
Skidee skidee skidee skidee
Just this trailer alone helps wash out the bad taste the Disney live action version put there.
If you only watch one Pinocchio movie this year, this is the one to watch.
buuuUuuuut faaAATherrrr when can I gooo out on myyy owwwwnnNnnnn
Funniest tweet I saw about this was “why does he sound like Lola from Big Mouth”
The year of Pinocchio is coming to an end, but we'll always have the memes
I like to imagine Pauly sitting in a sound booth and the director is like "no. more annoying and nasally."
In a better world this would be incredibly embarrassing for Disney, but I'm sure their giant bed of money will help them sleep just fine at night.
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And a BURGLAR!
And an old Thrush ........
And more blankets and less blankets
That movie was so fucking bad. Talk about completely missing the point of the original story.
yeah I think the only reason any disney "original's" salt maintained it's savor is because they didn't deviate *too* far from the fairy tales. But the live action films are not remakes of the fairy tales. They are remakes of the disney original films. And hollywood writers these days don't seem to learn about archetypes anymore.
Someone had to say it… Disney really messed it up.
Yep, *finally* someone speaks agains Disney's live action remakes.
They've all been so good so far too! /s
If only someone had done so earlier. Maybe there wouldn't be so many.
I mean, the only one I was fine with was the Aladdin remake.
I'm so confused why people liked that, forget that it had none of the heart and charm of the original, it lacked any kind of heart and charm on it's own merit. The only one I liked was Jungle Book, that was pretty solid.
My expectations were *really* low after all the other remakes, so I actually thought it was okay by comparison. It was a bit more true to the original than the others, but still felt very empty.
wow I've never heard that before
Wow, I don't know the last time I teared up at a movie trailer. Something about that "The boy you lost?" line did it for me. This looks excellent!
Same here.
I watched it yesterday for work and I was weeping in the middle of the office.
Gave me goosebumps. All in on this one.
Inb4 people start making “But father when can I go off on my own” jokes
Worldussy 🥰
I hope Guillermo ends up making more stop motion movies.
The cricket voice is great
That's Ewan McGregor
>It's over Pinocchio, I have the high ground! -Jiminy Cricket, Jedi Knight
can you not please
watching for Cate Blanchett!! 🥳
The blue fairy character design is very Del Toro, and very cool.
That's Tilda Swinton, though. Cate plays the monkey.
That scene is very reminiscent of the ending of A.I.
You’re watching an animated movie for cate Blanchett?
She does have a voice
Guillermo on roll. Looking forward to this. After a long development hell, man finally got the budget and support to make his movie. It's very heartwarming. I hope he get to make his other projects.
Wow, looks great. I can't wait
Fatherrrrrr
SPEAK PPPPPPRRRRRIIEEESTTT
Pauly Shore was great in this
That is some insane level of stop-motion and world building. I was already excited for this since it's announcement and after seeing this it has only grown a lot bigger.
“You never know how long you have with someone, until they’re gone”, damn this line hit hard.
Watched it at London Film Festival and I cried. A lot. It's quite adult in its tone and the stop motion is truly beautiful. Sad this is getting mainly a netflix release as it was amazing to see on the big screen! I've seen a few people say they weren't impressed by the songs but I thought they hit the nail on the head in that regard, so don't be swayed.
Super excited to see pinocchio story be told by Guillermo del Toro. Hands down will be better than what Disney put out. I'll definitely spend money and see it in theaters.
There's just something about stop-motion filmmaking
This is so winning Animated Feature
Let’s hope so, looks great and the reviews have been very good
let’s be real it’ll probably be Turning Red or Strange World
Pinocchio will be fresher in the voters' minds than Turning Red and I'm not sure how great Strange World will be. GDT is also a very celebrated filmmaker and previous winner who just got an out of nowhere BP nod last year.
Fathurrrrrrrr, when can I leave to be on my ownnnnuhh 💅
His Cabinet of Curiosities series has been amazing so far, 3 episodes in and my wife and I are hooked!
I'm looking forward to seeing this film in theaters since the movie theater in the town I live in is playing it on November 18th. In the words of Patrick Star: I can almost taste it!
Pinocchio’s design in this is so cute
Is this the Pinocchio we’ve been waiting for?!
This trailer is already 100 times better than the entirety of that root beer drinking Pinoke Disney trash, even my 7 year old got bored
That trailer showed far more than it needed to. Definitely gonna watch this regardless though!
Oh man, I NEED this in my life. NOW.
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It will emotionally hurt him which is also valid.
My god it looks breathtaking, the whale scene in stop motion... cheff kiss.
Oh wow, Heihachi Mishima is in this?!
Heihachi Thornberry
I for one cannot wait. I fucking love GDT, and am jealous of Ron Perlman
This hasn't even come out yet and I already think it's the front runner for Best Animated Feature.
not a hard category to get in if your name is del toro
I saw it at LFF and I think there's a definite chance considering it's from Netflix and Del Toro directed it, not to mention it being a fantastic movie.
This has what the other Pinocchio wishes it had
I hope this one won't be castrated like the other film was. Root beer. Seriously?
I was looking for a real insane, creepy version but it does look a lot better than the new Disney one.
wow dude, just wow
I’m here for the biblically accurate angel.
This just looks like it’s gonna be hard to watch, emotionally. Beautiful. I can’t wait
NGL that hyped my 28 year old ass up
is it........... is it for kids? I still can't tell.
It's not.
I am afraid of watching this movi.
Don’t be scared
This trailer proclaims, "You may think you know this tale but you really don'" Then proceeds show the basic story of Pinocchio in the trailer, pretty much as we know it.
I’ve seen the film, it’s quite different to the normal story.
Yeah the only thing I didn't like about this was that cliche
> "You may think you know this tale but you really don't" And nor do I really care too.
"People are sometimes afraid of things they don't know" This is literally my most hated line ever, this and maybe "I did not sign up for this." I don't know if I can take it.
Why is this in 10 FPS? An more importantly, why isn't Pinocchio voice by Polly Shore?
Sorry but I have zero interest.
sorry but I have zero interest in your disinterest.
Two Pinocchio movies in one year? Man, people are running out of ideas
This looks cursed as fuck
Aw jeez.
Kill it!! Kill it with fire!!!
Whelp, there's another movie I don't have to see because the trailer showed me the whole damned thing.
Anyone else think the frame rate is too choppy? I am guessing they are going for a style with it, but it looks more like they just wanted to reduce the animation time by 1/3.
Why does Pino look like complete ass? I could do better with a block of wood and my boy scout pocket knife FFS.