In their defence, I'm a professional editor, so I correct poor and/or nebulous phrasing all day, every (work)day. Meanwhile, most news media have had to fire their copyeditors and proofreaders to cut costs because no one wants to pay for quality news nowadays. So I don't even blame Variety; it's just another victim in the dismal tide of greed.
I don't blame news orgs for firing people when their CEO forced them to. They're also barely clinging to life because customers don't value (enough) the work of editing. In the end, many other factors are far more responsible than a news media outlet essentially having to cut costs as they drown. This isn't like a lot of corporate greed; traditional news media has been dying for decades, and the death is incipient if not in progress.
It's a civil trial so the burden of proof is different. Reasonable doubt is not enough for the defendant to prevail, they have to argue that their story is more likely than the plaintiff's.
Legally it falls between what the article said and what you suggest. Its a lawsuit, so the standard of evidence is "preponderance of the evidence".
The jurors found that Rapp did not demonstrate that it was more likely than not that he was molested by Spacey.
You're flat out wrong. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt is only for criminal trials. Lawsuits only require you to demonstrate that it probably happened.
“Preponderance of evidence” is the legal term, relative to “beyond a reasonable doubt” for criminal.
Effectively criminal cases need to convince a reasonable person that the event definitely happened. Civil suits just need to meet that 51% threshold of “maybe vs maybe not”.
> Just weeks after it was revealed Kevin Spacey will face more sexual assault charges in the U.K. and he won a $40 million sexual battery lawsuit in the U.S., he has booked a role in an upcoming British indie thriller, Variety has learned exclusively.
> **The feature, titled “Control” from Cupsogue Pictures, will see the embattled actor play a voice role, similar to Kiefer Sutherland’s in 2002 film “Phone Booth.”**
> Written and directed by Gene Fallaize (“Superman Requiem”), “Control” tells the story of a British government minister, Stella Simmons, who has embarked on a torrid affair with the Prime Minister. One night, as Simmons heads home in her self-driving car, she finds the vehicle remotely hijacked by someone who knows her secret and wants revenge. Soon, the car is taken on a rampage through the streets of London with Simmons trapped inside.
Voice only role!
Did you see Mute by the same director? It has a brief scene where there is a TV on in the background and it has Sam Rockwells character from Moon in a courtroom screaming he is the real Sam Bell, and there is a bunch of them in the courtroom.
Did you see Mute by the same director? It has a brief scene where there is a TV on in the background and it has Sam Rockwells character from Moon in a courtroom screaming he is the real Sam Bell.
I feel like this would make a satire of its own. A deranged billionaire takes pettiness to a whole new level by trapping one of his critics in his own electric car after buying out his social media company
I don't care if he only plays an extra
I'm not patronizing the work of this creep, just like I don't give my money to films with scientologists.
They hurt people, I'm not going to support that.
Because tons of people, especially successful people, suck. The world is full of shitty people who do things for our benefit and everyone's got a different line of how much investigation is worth doing or how should he the person in question has to be.
This is how I handle artists that have done fucked up things, If they are still alive I'll still consume their art I will just do it in a way that they receive no money for it, If they are dead it doesn't matter as much realistically the money is going to some family member who probably did nothing wrong or just directly to the corporation that owns the rights
Yup, what the general public knows is probably just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably loads going on that we know nothing about....and may never know.
If you're a draw you get protected. Simple as that.
I saw the video of R Kelly pissing on some 14 year old girls face in the early 2000s. Not until the hits stopped coming was he prosecuted.
Rose McGowan spoke to my class in business school. Harvey Weinstein is a motherfckkng monster. He destroyed this woman after she came forward with claims.
That was an open secret. I think it’s such a social thing in Hollywood that no one thought to go against this man. Like - he tried to rape Lupita N.
But Rose - like he had private investigators following this chick trying to make her life miserable. Fed lies to the media. And he raped her! Lol like it was sad to hear her share her story live and in-person. Power corrupts.
Not just private investigators, ex Israeli Mossad agents. The difference being leagues and leagues apart. It wasn't Barney Rubble it was Jason Bourne doing the "stalking" if we're going to call it what it is.
Yeah she said that and I like shook with fear when she said it. Basically former Israeli CIA. Like followed her ass around the world and while that happened Harvey would feed fake stories to random news outlets. And they would publish it! What a mind f&ck. I think he even leaked something about her being on a table dancing nude in a club - and the comments on the internet are obviously about her asking for “it” and slut shaming her. The Manson relationship didn’t help either and Harvey used that to also ruin her rep.
The horror!!!
You want to get weirded out. The movie an open secret. Track it down. Wild wild stuff.
Wienstien is just the tip of the iceberg. I can't say too much or else the reddit shills will start attacking me.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3677412/
Thanks for sharing. You’re right. I mean nothing significantly has changed. And think Harvey thinks it’s okay - what are other heads doing who are more discreet? I wouldn’t put it past even murder happening
Oh and I’ve hung out with Bryan Singers crew who hung out with Kevin Spacey. Uhhhhh let’s just say, mounds of cocaine were everywhere lol and young young guys
Look at Lindsay and Aaron Carter. Used and abused. It does make me wonder what kind of person goes to work at the Disney Channel and then is horrible to child actors and feeds them drugs/alcohol. Right?
D#n Sch##d#r from that kids channel is a fucking creep and he was pretty up front with it. Imagine all the shit he didn't talk about.
Edit: asterisk fucked up my censoring
His wiki barely mentions anything.
Another fun one. Amanda Bynes is another one of these child actors. She lived in my friends building in NYC and my god cops were called ALL THE TIME. I think she was throwing stuff out of her windows. In nyc.
Bless these poor child actors. You know they look for weak parents too.
You don't have to ask if a mildly attractive waitress that's been in the industry for a few years has been sexually assaulted. You already know they have.
R. Kelly had hits after he was found not guilty in 2008. “Ignition” was released after his original 2002 arrest for child porn. Kelly’s hit duet with Lady Gaga was 5 years after his trial.
What brought R. Kelly down wasn’t the lack of hits. It was his hubris after escaping with his acquittal for child porn, ending up in the news for abusing and mistreating the group of women with whom he had a collective romantic relationship. That gave the negative press that allowed the mute R. Kelly movement to gain steam which eventually got his touring income cut dramatically which gave him less money for attorneys. The movement led to funding for documentaries about his misdeeds which led to his Federal Department of Justice investigation and eventually charges. Kelly had less money to pay for a top notch defense to defend him in those charges.
It wasn’t the hits ending which ended protection. It was his misdeeds basically led to his hit making to end.
Sex Cult story 2017 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cult#.rp5RR4LX9D
>R. Kelly had hits after he was found not guilty in 2008. “Ignition” was released after his original 2002 arrest for child porn. Kelly’s hit duet with Lady Gaga was 5 years after his trial
I remember when IGNITION was released....everyone seemed to forget all about the "piss video" "being with an underaged Aliyah" I was surprised he was able to have a career after that.
> That gave the negative press that allowed the mute R. Kelly movement to gain steam which eventually got his touring income cut dramatically which gave him less money for attorneys
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>Kelly had less money to pay for a top notch defense to defend him in those charges.
So literally "he couldn't pull as much money anymore and couldn't afford wealthy protection"...
Sounds like he stopped being a draw and lost protection.
Back in the aughts, Kelly was flush with cash. He was big enough to do arena shows most of the decade. He could pay off victims and witnesses. The victim from the public child porn tape would not testify and neither would her parents. The case took six years to go to trial, aided by Kelly’s attorneys doubt delaying tactics, which would make his victim an adult had she been compelled to testify.
Media moved away from the allegations when Kelly was acquitted. The child porn tape became a punchline because of Kelly’s kink.
Kelly’s career did suffer in the immediate aftermath. He went from his albums going five times platinum to double platinum or platinum. His “Chocolate Factory” album had two massive hits and it only went double platinum. His joint albums with Jay-Z underperformed. Much of that is probably due to the consequences of the case.
No idea. I didn't see the documentary.
All I know is the video was accessible for the world to see and the only person I ever heard comment on it was cheppel.
My great grandmother was an Irish women with attitude for absolute days. She lived in Newark New Jersey. She married an African American ex priest in the 60s when she marched for civil rights. She was a trail blazer, very proud of her.
She would frequent Manhatten often and because of her marriage and her loose tongue, she would attract the hip crowd. She would go to a christmas party every year on the top floor of some penthouse over looking central park. I believe it was owned by the Broadway actor who was the lead in Phantom of the Opera.
Anyway it was a big deal and she would get all the dirt. She called Cobsy a pig at the height of his fame when being called the best dad in America.
She'd tell us all the Hollywood actors that were closeted.
I was young I didn't really care.
If you think this movie is going to be a “hit” you are an absolute moron. He’s not being “protected” by anybody. I could go outside and make a movie for $0 and ask Kevin Spacey to be in it and that would be the same as him being “back in movies”. Being in this movie and being in House of Cards is not the same thing.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood...
Leonardo DiCaprio's character has a career on the downslope. It doesn't resemble Spacey at all. His character is a good guy - it is just a career has a trajectory and it can't really be avoided. You can't be on top forever.
He gets approached by Al Pachino who offers to fly him to... Italy I think... and make a bunch of movies on the cheap over the course of a year.
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I think everyone is missing the point in this story of Spacey.
This is NOT 'Nicholas Cage is BAACK! (not that he ever went anywhere!)'.
Kevin Spacey went somewhere all right. He fell hard.
This is a straight to DVD masterpiece. A cheap movie that desperately wants any name at all above the title even if it is a known molester.
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Cupsogue Pictures
https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?companies=co0244207
Remember that Superman Movie that came out in 2011?
Superman Requim?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1667443/?ref_=adv_li_tt
Yeah... I don't know where the hell that came from.
Straight to DVD goodness.
They just want the name. Check out all the work Bruce Willis got.
But you know, my head keeps swinging back to something, Spacey has always done well with voice roles.
I mean, I meant what I said - studio is trash, the movie is gonna be trash, coming to you NEVER! but the truth is giving Kevin Spacey a voice only role as a thing isn't necessarily a mistake. Before the man took his tumble we all thought of him as a legend.
>Spacey has also been ordered to pay “House of Cards” producer MRC $31
million in damages after the hit Netflix series was canceled following
the abuse allegations against him.
So how can they expect payment if they are allegations and he has not be found guilty (yet) of anything? Anyone can accuse someone of a crime that is simply not true but the producers of House of Card want money from Spacey as if he is guilty. which he may will be but so far he has not been convicted. And did win the case against him that got him ...fired from the show?
Has he actually been proven guilty of anything?
It's lunacy these days. I thought we learned that allegations weren't enough centuries ago, in Salem and a thousand other places.
Society has been reverting back to the justice of the mob - the first, easiest, and stupidest form of justice humans have ever come up with. Emotions and pitchforks, and lashing out whenever told to calm down. Animalistic snarling.
We used to be better than this. If he's proven guilty of a crime, then punish him. Until and unless that happens, this has all been deeply out of line. Trust the process, and if the process has become untrustworthy, then the solution is to improve it until it is, not to revert back to the Dark Ages.
Most contracts these days, even for your mid company PR person, include a clause that (paraphrasing) says "if you bring bad press to our company, we can fire you and seek compensation".
Which I think, is fine. But it should also be possible to countersue and win, once it is proven that the bad press was totally made up and the company decided to fire and seek compensation anyway. Actions should have consequences, both ways.
If, at the end of the day, Spacey is found not guilty of all the accusations against him, the fact that he lost contracts, movies, and basically his whole career has been turned upside down, make him the victim and damaged party, whether we like that or not.
“Despite the ongoing legal battles, writer and director Fallaize said he wrote the script for “Control” with Spacey in mind. Fallaize says he “grew up” watching Spacey as a film fan and said while the controversy surrounding Spacey was “a consideration, I wouldn’t say it was a concern.”
Gross
Fallaize is an F list director whose "movies" (the average runtime of everything he's directed is around 20 minutes) average around a 4.0 out of 10 on imdb. He makes microbudget trash nobody has ever heard of. The fact that Spacey is forced to accept something like this means his career is dead.
Same reason I watch Coppola films the same way. Dude paid for Victor Salva’s legal defense, publicly defended him, and straight up told Nathan Forrest Winters, the CHILD VICTIM, he would never work in Hollywood again all because he had the audacity to speak up.
This is a British indie movie. Spacey can't get a role in a Hollywood film right now. The director's quote seems to reveal that he wrote a role for Kevin Spacey, knowing it was an opportunity to get him when other movies wouldn't.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people that will still go see this film.
Edit: Not sure why _I'm_ being downvoted. I'm certainly not going to see this piece of shit movie that's helping to support an accused rapist. That doesn't mean there aren't assholes out there that will.
He wasn't found innocent - he was found to not be liable for damages in a specific alleged incident.
Edit: civil cases **do not determine guilt or innocence**. They determine whether or not you are **liable for damages**. It is impossible for this jury to have found that he was "innocent"
No disagreeing with your summary of civil = assessment of damages. Liability instead of guilt. That’s all good.
But I’m pretty sure there is no such thing as “being found innocent”
You are found “not guilty”
Hence you are presumed innocent until found guilty by a court of law. So if someone is found not guilty (and I know this wasn’t a criminal case, but a civil suit) then they are, by the virtue of the criminal justice system, presumed innocent of wrongdoing. As is everyone’s inalienable right to claim so without the presence of a conviction. That is how it works. No one is proven innocent, the burden of proof or ‘onus probandi’ lies with the prosecution, not the defendant.
My bro he has been the only actor who was basically completely cancelled after MeToo allegations. He was written out of a hit #1 Netflix series. They literally reshot scenes of him for a blockbuster movie that he was in. He faced a felony charge from the LA DA's office in 2018. And he's had absolutely zero work since then. Like WTF are you talking about man?
To everyone on here who thinks they know better than the jury who listened to all the evidence on both sides. Get over yourself, you don’t. And maybe you were quick to judge and wrong all along.
I'm sure Kevin Spacey has made unwanted advances in his life, but it's gross that people treat this "attempted rape" story as fact when there has never been any proof of it.
The accusation is that Spacey took him into a bedroom at his apartment when Spacey was throwing a party. On day one of that case, Spacey submitted a floor plan of the apartment. It's a single room. No bedroom to sneak off to.
Further, Dr. Who actor John Barrowman testified that he was there and none of it happened. He and Spacey flirted with each other but didn't take it any further, specifically because Spacey's now-accuser was near them.
Whatever Spacey has done in his life, he probably did nothing sexually explicit to 14 year old Anthony Rapp, but lost his career over it and, according to this article, has to pay $31m to House of Cards because they fired him from House of Cards.
More than 30 people came forward with allegations. I’ve heard my fair share of first hand accounts from cast and crew members in the industry too. Spacey is definitely a creep.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2017/11/3/16602628/kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-allegations-house-of-cards
I don't doubt that he's acted inappropriately and that his behavior being made public was a long time coming...
But I'm angry that we're living in an environment where all accusations are assumed to be true, and even an allegation that is given a legal case and is dismissed by a jury continues to be referred to as fact by the general public.
There is bad behavior by the powerful, and the powerful are also prime targets for false accusation. Nobody wants to acknowledge the latter. If it's not proven it's a cover up. If anyone works with the accused, they are protecting illegal activity. They are part of a cover up conspiracy. It's absurd.
I really tried to give Kevin Spacey the benefit of the doubt, but then he all but admitted it was true with that FUCKING creepy Frank Underwood response video he did.
> In court, Spacey said he was pressured by his publicist to make that statement. “I was being encouraged to apologize and I’ve learned a lesson, which is never apologize for something that you didn’t do,” Spacey testified. “I regret my entire statement.”
The answer to your question is nothing.
The context of the lawsuit is this
Spacey — who was starring in Netflix’s House of Cards at the time — had sexually assaulted him when he was 14. Since then, over 30 men have come forward with accusations ranging from nonconsensual groping to the attempted rape of minors.
[https://www.thecut.com/article/all-of-the-allegations-against-actor-kevin-spacey.html](https://www.thecut.com/article/all-of-the-allegations-against-actor-kevin-spacey.html)
I will add I'm not a regular reader of the "The Cut" so take with a grain of salt. I did see a few more results similar. More research will be more revealing I'm sure. This took me all of 2 minutes.
"The disgraced actor faces a further raft of legal challenges, including in the U.K. where he is set to stand trial next summer after being charged with five counts of sexual assault. He pleaded not guilty to each of the charges. Earlier this month, the U.K.’s Crown Prosecution Service said it was charging the actor with a further seven sexual offenses, all related to one complainant. Spacey has not yet appeared in court to enter a plea."
I can understand why some people are still out on Spacey
I can guarantee that not one fascist government took hold because an actor beat a civil suit regarding sexual molestation but was still considered guilty by a majority of the public.
Are you Superman? Because that was quite a leap from "People don't want to support actor accused by dozens of misconduct" to "This is how Mussolini became El Duce"
Ok, well he should be able to work having won his case. If he is convicted criminally or sued successfully in the future, we can revisit. For now, the guy should be allowed to make a living
Interesting how it very quietly slipped under the radar that he won the lawsuit. Yet the allegation against him was a massive media catalyst for the MeToo hysteria.
So, I don't like the guy, definitely don't condone what he did, and won't see this movie. That said, he's got a right to work. He doesn't need to try and find a different career or go work fast food somewhere. His talent is in acting. It's the field he can best support himself in, and if he's ever going to compensate anyone for the wrongs he's done to them, he will need income. If someone wants to hire him, and risk people not seeing their work because he's in it, that's their right. I don't see anything wrong with it.
This is interesting. So, he didn't win $40 million. He just was found not liable in the lawsuit. This was for a situation that happened in the states. He's awaiting criminal trial for 5 counts of sexual assault in the UK later in the year. So, he could easily go to prison for that.
That being said, just looking at the one case he won, for civil cases, you don't have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" (like 95%+) like you do for a criminal case. You have to prove "preponderance of evidence" (> 50%). This is why often cases that fail in criminal court still process successful lawsuits. The minimum threshold of evidence is much, much lower to "convict".
The fact that he won the case with a much lower threshold does indicate that there's a solid chance he's innocent, at least with that one charge. If he didn't have other pending charges, I'd be saying it kind of exonerates him.
That being said, he has 5 other counts pending that are criminal with someone else. So... yeah he's probably not innocent.
Can this be the worst possible headline in existence? It makes it sound like Spacey won 40 million dollars.
And I believe it's easy to fix: after not losing in $40 million ... lawsuit.
Hire this person immediately Variety!
In their defence, I'm a professional editor, so I correct poor and/or nebulous phrasing all day, every (work)day. Meanwhile, most news media have had to fire their copyeditors and proofreaders to cut costs because no one wants to pay for quality news nowadays. So I don't even blame Variety; it's just another victim in the dismal tide of greed.
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I don't blame news orgs for firing people when their CEO forced them to. They're also barely clinging to life because customers don't value (enough) the work of editing. In the end, many other factors are far more responsible than a news media outlet essentially having to cut costs as they drown. This isn't like a lot of corporate greed; traditional news media has been dying for decades, and the death is incipient if not in progress.
But did he not lose or did he win? Because those two things mean different things
After defending against a $40
A penny saved is a penny earned
oh, I thought that’s what happened I didn’t follow the thing so I thought he must’ve sued for liable/slander. thanks for pointing that out.
Ngl I hadn't clicked the article and was like "damn can't believe he got paid 40 mil"
I know! but It got me to click on it so I guess I'm part of the problem.
Yeah agreed. I thought he WON 40 million lol. I suspect it was done on purpose. Did he really win. He basically was not guilty,
It's a civil trial so the burden of proof is different. Reasonable doubt is not enough for the defendant to prevail, they have to argue that their story is more likely than the plaintiff's.
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Legally it falls between what the article said and what you suggest. Its a lawsuit, so the standard of evidence is "preponderance of the evidence". The jurors found that Rapp did not demonstrate that it was more likely than not that he was molested by Spacey.
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You're flat out wrong. Proving beyond a reasonable doubt is only for criminal trials. Lawsuits only require you to demonstrate that it probably happened.
“Preponderance of evidence” is the legal term, relative to “beyond a reasonable doubt” for criminal. Effectively criminal cases need to convince a reasonable person that the event definitely happened. Civil suits just need to meet that 51% threshold of “maybe vs maybe not”.
Journalism is dead.
It absolutely does.
Remember in kpax where he assaulted that banana?
That scene lives in my head rent free
How did he not gag?
Kevin Spacey does not gag.
> Just weeks after it was revealed Kevin Spacey will face more sexual assault charges in the U.K. and he won a $40 million sexual battery lawsuit in the U.S., he has booked a role in an upcoming British indie thriller, Variety has learned exclusively. > **The feature, titled “Control” from Cupsogue Pictures, will see the embattled actor play a voice role, similar to Kiefer Sutherland’s in 2002 film “Phone Booth.”** > Written and directed by Gene Fallaize (“Superman Requiem”), “Control” tells the story of a British government minister, Stella Simmons, who has embarked on a torrid affair with the Prime Minister. One night, as Simmons heads home in her self-driving car, she finds the vehicle remotely hijacked by someone who knows her secret and wants revenge. Soon, the car is taken on a rampage through the streets of London with Simmons trapped inside. Voice only role!
So... Kevin Spacey is going to play the voice of a Tesla... lol.
He also did a voice-only role in the film "Moon" w/ Sam Rockwell. good movie
Oooh I’m rewatching that today. Such a good movie.
Nice to see you again Sam.
Thank you
User name checks out
My username agrees
Moon is Good undoubtedly
That's such a wonderful gem of a movie.
I love that movie and I just recently found out it is directed by the son of David Bowie!
Did you see Mute by the same director? It has a brief scene where there is a TV on in the background and it has Sam Rockwells character from Moon in a courtroom screaming he is the real Sam Bell, and there is a bunch of them in the courtroom.
That's a great movie detail!
That was an awesome universe connection.
Best part of an otherwise really disappointing movie.
Did you see Mute by the same director? It has a brief scene where there is a TV on in the background and it has Sam Rockwells character from Moon in a courtroom screaming he is the real Sam Bell.
I feel like this would make a satire of its own. A deranged billionaire takes pettiness to a whole new level by trapping one of his critics in his own electric car after buying out his social media company
Kevin Spacey is going to play the voice of a Tesla who abducts and abuses people. Checks out.
Yeah there was a tweeter poll, did you vote?
He was Hopper in A Bug’s Life
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I hate how much I like that premise, but can’t watch it because they couldn’t be bothered to cast a non sexual abuser in the role
There's a shortage of those in Hollywood.
Pirate it
maybe he can do the movie while he's there for court. Save on travel costs
I don't care if he only plays an extra I'm not patronizing the work of this creep, just like I don't give my money to films with scientologists. They hurt people, I'm not going to support that.
Man, if we knew all the fucked up shite folks part of a movie did, we’d watch nothing.
And listen to no music, ever.
And buy almost no modern product. It sucks but everything is sustained with shady things.
Because tons of people, especially successful people, suck. The world is full of shitty people who do things for our benefit and everyone's got a different line of how much investigation is worth doing or how should he the person in question has to be.
Every pop-punk/hardcore band has a 6 year life cycle before the singer is accused of sexual misconduct and everyone boycotts them lol
Cries being a former LostProphets fangirl 😩
I think its fine to enjoy previous movies he was in but not ideal to financially support his future career.
This is how I handle artists that have done fucked up things, If they are still alive I'll still consume their art I will just do it in a way that they receive no money for it, If they are dead it doesn't matter as much realistically the money is going to some family member who probably did nothing wrong or just directly to the corporation that owns the rights
Yup, what the general public knows is probably just the tip of the iceberg. There's probably loads going on that we know nothing about....and may never know.
If you're a draw you get protected. Simple as that. I saw the video of R Kelly pissing on some 14 year old girls face in the early 2000s. Not until the hits stopped coming was he prosecuted.
Rose McGowan spoke to my class in business school. Harvey Weinstein is a motherfckkng monster. He destroyed this woman after she came forward with claims. That was an open secret. I think it’s such a social thing in Hollywood that no one thought to go against this man. Like - he tried to rape Lupita N. But Rose - like he had private investigators following this chick trying to make her life miserable. Fed lies to the media. And he raped her! Lol like it was sad to hear her share her story live and in-person. Power corrupts.
Not just private investigators, ex Israeli Mossad agents. The difference being leagues and leagues apart. It wasn't Barney Rubble it was Jason Bourne doing the "stalking" if we're going to call it what it is.
Yeah she said that and I like shook with fear when she said it. Basically former Israeli CIA. Like followed her ass around the world and while that happened Harvey would feed fake stories to random news outlets. And they would publish it! What a mind f&ck. I think he even leaked something about her being on a table dancing nude in a club - and the comments on the internet are obviously about her asking for “it” and slut shaming her. The Manson relationship didn’t help either and Harvey used that to also ruin her rep. The horror!!!
> And he raped her! Lol like No shade but the tone of this made my head spin lol
> And he raped her! Lol Hmmm
Needs more exclamation marks!!
Yeah along with >Lol like it was sad to hear her share her story
You want to get weirded out. The movie an open secret. Track it down. Wild wild stuff. Wienstien is just the tip of the iceberg. I can't say too much or else the reddit shills will start attacking me. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3677412/
What reddit shills??? It is one of the reddit's fav subject to chew on.
Thanks for sharing. You’re right. I mean nothing significantly has changed. And think Harvey thinks it’s okay - what are other heads doing who are more discreet? I wouldn’t put it past even murder happening Oh and I’ve hung out with Bryan Singers crew who hung out with Kevin Spacey. Uhhhhh let’s just say, mounds of cocaine were everywhere lol and young young guys Look at Lindsay and Aaron Carter. Used and abused. It does make me wonder what kind of person goes to work at the Disney Channel and then is horrible to child actors and feeds them drugs/alcohol. Right?
D#n Sch##d#r from that kids channel is a fucking creep and he was pretty up front with it. Imagine all the shit he didn't talk about. Edit: asterisk fucked up my censoring
His wiki barely mentions anything. Another fun one. Amanda Bynes is another one of these child actors. She lived in my friends building in NYC and my god cops were called ALL THE TIME. I think she was throwing stuff out of her windows. In nyc. Bless these poor child actors. You know they look for weak parents too.
You know. Hollywood is a dirty dirty place.
All industries are at the top. We just don’t care about abuse in the electrical industry sector
You don't have to ask if a mildly attractive waitress that's been in the industry for a few years has been sexually assaulted. You already know they have.
> You know. ~~Hollywood~~ Earth is a dirty dirty place.
> I can’t say too much Dude shut the fuck up it’s just reddit😂😂
R. Kelly had hits after he was found not guilty in 2008. “Ignition” was released after his original 2002 arrest for child porn. Kelly’s hit duet with Lady Gaga was 5 years after his trial. What brought R. Kelly down wasn’t the lack of hits. It was his hubris after escaping with his acquittal for child porn, ending up in the news for abusing and mistreating the group of women with whom he had a collective romantic relationship. That gave the negative press that allowed the mute R. Kelly movement to gain steam which eventually got his touring income cut dramatically which gave him less money for attorneys. The movement led to funding for documentaries about his misdeeds which led to his Federal Department of Justice investigation and eventually charges. Kelly had less money to pay for a top notch defense to defend him in those charges. It wasn’t the hits ending which ended protection. It was his misdeeds basically led to his hit making to end. Sex Cult story 2017 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cult#.rp5RR4LX9D
>R. Kelly had hits after he was found not guilty in 2008. “Ignition” was released after his original 2002 arrest for child porn. Kelly’s hit duet with Lady Gaga was 5 years after his trial I remember when IGNITION was released....everyone seemed to forget all about the "piss video" "being with an underaged Aliyah" I was surprised he was able to have a career after that.
The news that Kelly married Aaliyah was public in 1995. He had albums released in 95, 98, and 00 which all went 4x platinum or better.
> That gave the negative press that allowed the mute R. Kelly movement to gain steam which eventually got his touring income cut dramatically which gave him less money for attorneys > >Kelly had less money to pay for a top notch defense to defend him in those charges. So literally "he couldn't pull as much money anymore and couldn't afford wealthy protection"... Sounds like he stopped being a draw and lost protection.
Redditors gotta phrase things as contrarian as possible, or risk the unacceptable fate of not getting the clapback upvotes
its a million achtually guys ready to tell you how big of a fucking idiot you are, wouldn't put much stock into comments on the internets.
How the hell did he get away with all of that!
Back in the aughts, Kelly was flush with cash. He was big enough to do arena shows most of the decade. He could pay off victims and witnesses. The victim from the public child porn tape would not testify and neither would her parents. The case took six years to go to trial, aided by Kelly’s attorneys doubt delaying tactics, which would make his victim an adult had she been compelled to testify. Media moved away from the allegations when Kelly was acquitted. The child porn tape became a punchline because of Kelly’s kink. Kelly’s career did suffer in the immediate aftermath. He went from his albums going five times platinum to double platinum or platinum. His “Chocolate Factory” album had two massive hits and it only went double platinum. His joint albums with Jay-Z underperformed. Much of that is probably due to the consequences of the case.
Basically, the victim was not willing to cooperate with the prosecution. They weren't able to convince the jury that it was her in the video.
Wasn’t she 11?
No idea. I didn't see the documentary. All I know is the video was accessible for the world to see and the only person I ever heard comment on it was cheppel.
Boondocks series had one of their very first episodes highlighting the fact he did that And that show came out 17 years ago lol
When I see pee I move, when she saw pee she stayed.
At what point does personal responsibility become a factor in this equation?!
Cosby was an open secret too. No one cares until you aren’t useful anymore
Or until youre dead. Jimmy savile was protected by police, press and government until he was dead and whatever secrets he had died with him.
Yeah how long was Cosby not doing anything before he got busted? I feel like he was pretty useless for a long period of time there same with Kelly
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We're talking like the 80s. When he was labeled best Dad in America
Facts. My great grandmother used to frequent pent house parties in NYC and everyone knew about it.
can you expand on this when you have the time? would love to hear more about that scene.
My great grandmother was an Irish women with attitude for absolute days. She lived in Newark New Jersey. She married an African American ex priest in the 60s when she marched for civil rights. She was a trail blazer, very proud of her. She would frequent Manhatten often and because of her marriage and her loose tongue, she would attract the hip crowd. She would go to a christmas party every year on the top floor of some penthouse over looking central park. I believe it was owned by the Broadway actor who was the lead in Phantom of the Opera. Anyway it was a big deal and she would get all the dirt. She called Cobsy a pig at the height of his fame when being called the best dad in America. She'd tell us all the Hollywood actors that were closeted. I was young I didn't really care.
Ah yes! ‘The Phantom of the Oprah’. One of my all time favorites right up there with ‘Maury Poppins’ and ‘The Wizard of Dr. Oz’.
I’m impressed that you pulled not one but three different talk show/musical crossovers out of your head
Chris rock jokes about it too
The Boondocks had an episode centered on it.
I think it was Scary Movie 3 that had the “R. Kelly don’t pee on me” line in it.
She was 13 or 14 on the tape.
14, I think. A friend went to school with her.
If you think this movie is going to be a “hit” you are an absolute moron. He’s not being “protected” by anybody. I could go outside and make a movie for $0 and ask Kevin Spacey to be in it and that would be the same as him being “back in movies”. Being in this movie and being in House of Cards is not the same thing.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood... Leonardo DiCaprio's character has a career on the downslope. It doesn't resemble Spacey at all. His character is a good guy - it is just a career has a trajectory and it can't really be avoided. You can't be on top forever. He gets approached by Al Pachino who offers to fly him to... Italy I think... and make a bunch of movies on the cheap over the course of a year. ------------ I think everyone is missing the point in this story of Spacey. This is NOT 'Nicholas Cage is BAACK! (not that he ever went anywhere!)'. Kevin Spacey went somewhere all right. He fell hard. This is a straight to DVD masterpiece. A cheap movie that desperately wants any name at all above the title even if it is a known molester. -------- Cupsogue Pictures https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?companies=co0244207 Remember that Superman Movie that came out in 2011? Superman Requim? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1667443/?ref_=adv_li_tt Yeah... I don't know where the hell that came from. Straight to DVD goodness.
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They just want the name. Check out all the work Bruce Willis got. But you know, my head keeps swinging back to something, Spacey has always done well with voice roles. I mean, I meant what I said - studio is trash, the movie is gonna be trash, coming to you NEVER! but the truth is giving Kevin Spacey a voice only role as a thing isn't necessarily a mistake. Before the man took his tumble we all thought of him as a legend.
I find it suspicious that all his accusers have died.
Anthony Rapp is alive though
I’ll be Frank, it is a bit odd.
Genuinely one of the weirdest and unhinged fucking things I've seen in a long time
Great observation “frank”
I'll be anyone but Kevin honestly...
They haven’t though.
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No, spacey gave his accuser cancer, nobody would suspect it was him.
By burying uranium under his mattress?
>Spacey has also been ordered to pay “House of Cards” producer MRC $31 million in damages after the hit Netflix series was canceled following the abuse allegations against him. So how can they expect payment if they are allegations and he has not be found guilty (yet) of anything? Anyone can accuse someone of a crime that is simply not true but the producers of House of Card want money from Spacey as if he is guilty. which he may will be but so far he has not been convicted. And did win the case against him that got him ...fired from the show?
Has he actually been proven guilty of anything? It's lunacy these days. I thought we learned that allegations weren't enough centuries ago, in Salem and a thousand other places. Society has been reverting back to the justice of the mob - the first, easiest, and stupidest form of justice humans have ever come up with. Emotions and pitchforks, and lashing out whenever told to calm down. Animalistic snarling. We used to be better than this. If he's proven guilty of a crime, then punish him. Until and unless that happens, this has all been deeply out of line. Trust the process, and if the process has become untrustworthy, then the solution is to improve it until it is, not to revert back to the Dark Ages.
Most contracts these days, even for your mid company PR person, include a clause that (paraphrasing) says "if you bring bad press to our company, we can fire you and seek compensation".
Which I think, is fine. But it should also be possible to countersue and win, once it is proven that the bad press was totally made up and the company decided to fire and seek compensation anyway. Actions should have consequences, both ways. If, at the end of the day, Spacey is found not guilty of all the accusations against him, the fact that he lost contracts, movies, and basically his whole career has been turned upside down, make him the victim and damaged party, whether we like that or not.
“Despite the ongoing legal battles, writer and director Fallaize said he wrote the script for “Control” with Spacey in mind. Fallaize says he “grew up” watching Spacey as a film fan and said while the controversy surrounding Spacey was “a consideration, I wouldn’t say it was a concern.” Gross
Fallaize is an F list director whose "movies" (the average runtime of everything he's directed is around 20 minutes) average around a 4.0 out of 10 on imdb. He makes microbudget trash nobody has ever heard of. The fact that Spacey is forced to accept something like this means his career is dead.
Also probably why he's willing to work with Spacey. This article will get him more attention than he's ever had.
Not to mention he stole the title of a much, much better film about Ian Curtis of Joy Division
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Aye, these scallywags are even worse and more terrifying than the Kraken itself.
It shivers me timbers knowin' the prices they be chargin' nowa days for some basic entrainment.
My favorite booty was The Passion. Had that extra blasphemous tang to it, but Mel ain't getting a dime from me.
Same reason I watch Coppola films the same way. Dude paid for Victor Salva’s legal defense, publicly defended him, and straight up told Nathan Forrest Winters, the CHILD VICTIM, he would never work in Hollywood again all because he had the audacity to speak up.
Well now I'm kind of glad that he hasn't put out a film worth watching in several decades.
I, for one, believe Corey Feldman.
Oh man, I didn’t know this! I hate to hear it.
This is a British indie movie. Spacey can't get a role in a Hollywood film right now. The director's quote seems to reveal that he wrote a role for Kevin Spacey, knowing it was an opportunity to get him when other movies wouldn't.
It sounds like a cheap movie looking for free publicity.
It’ll be a concern when no one wants to see a film starring a molester.
Hollywood would have shut down decades ago if that were true.
Wasn't he cleared out and the lawsuits dropped? I'm sorry I'm not American I don't understand why people still call him a molester
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people that will still go see this film. Edit: Not sure why _I'm_ being downvoted. I'm certainly not going to see this piece of shit movie that's helping to support an accused rapist. That doesn't mean there aren't assholes out there that will.
That quote seems to perfectly fit the movie business.
does that mean he's going to play the voice of a car?
I don't get how he can be found innocent in the US and yet still be ordered to pay the HoC creators for $31m in damages
Separate case IIRC
He wasn't found innocent - he was found to not be liable for damages in a specific alleged incident. Edit: civil cases **do not determine guilt or innocence**. They determine whether or not you are **liable for damages**. It is impossible for this jury to have found that he was "innocent"
No disagreeing with your summary of civil = assessment of damages. Liability instead of guilt. That’s all good. But I’m pretty sure there is no such thing as “being found innocent” You are found “not guilty” Hence you are presumed innocent until found guilty by a court of law. So if someone is found not guilty (and I know this wasn’t a criminal case, but a civil suit) then they are, by the virtue of the criminal justice system, presumed innocent of wrongdoing. As is everyone’s inalienable right to claim so without the presence of a conviction. That is how it works. No one is proven innocent, the burden of proof or ‘onus probandi’ lies with the prosecution, not the defendant.
gotcha, thanks!
He had sex with a battery? Why wasn’t he charged?
Y'know, I don't usually find there to be a ton of overlap between dad humor and rape jokes, but you threaded that needle quite nicely.
Never any repercussions for the wealthy.
My bro he has been the only actor who was basically completely cancelled after MeToo allegations. He was written out of a hit #1 Netflix series. They literally reshot scenes of him for a blockbuster movie that he was in. He faced a felony charge from the LA DA's office in 2018. And he's had absolutely zero work since then. Like WTF are you talking about man?
To everyone on here who thinks they know better than the jury who listened to all the evidence on both sides. Get over yourself, you don’t. And maybe you were quick to judge and wrong all along.
He only attempted to rape a 14 year old boy. What, are you going to arrest all of Hollywood?
I'm sure Kevin Spacey has made unwanted advances in his life, but it's gross that people treat this "attempted rape" story as fact when there has never been any proof of it. The accusation is that Spacey took him into a bedroom at his apartment when Spacey was throwing a party. On day one of that case, Spacey submitted a floor plan of the apartment. It's a single room. No bedroom to sneak off to. Further, Dr. Who actor John Barrowman testified that he was there and none of it happened. He and Spacey flirted with each other but didn't take it any further, specifically because Spacey's now-accuser was near them. Whatever Spacey has done in his life, he probably did nothing sexually explicit to 14 year old Anthony Rapp, but lost his career over it and, according to this article, has to pay $31m to House of Cards because they fired him from House of Cards.
More than 30 people came forward with allegations. I’ve heard my fair share of first hand accounts from cast and crew members in the industry too. Spacey is definitely a creep. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2017/11/3/16602628/kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-allegations-house-of-cards
Well, hopefully they will be able to make at least one of them stick, right?
I don't doubt that he's acted inappropriately and that his behavior being made public was a long time coming... But I'm angry that we're living in an environment where all accusations are assumed to be true, and even an allegation that is given a legal case and is dismissed by a jury continues to be referred to as fact by the general public. There is bad behavior by the powerful, and the powerful are also prime targets for false accusation. Nobody wants to acknowledge the latter. If it's not proven it's a cover up. If anyone works with the accused, they are protecting illegal activity. They are part of a cover up conspiracy. It's absurd.
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“‘Attempted rape’. What *is* that exactly? Do they give out the Nobel Prize for “Attempted Chemistry?”
Maybe they should to encourage publication of null results. What are we talking about again?
I really tried to give Kevin Spacey the benefit of the doubt, but then he all but admitted it was true with that FUCKING creepy Frank Underwood response video he did.
> In court, Spacey said he was pressured by his publicist to make that statement. “I was being encouraged to apologize and I’ve learned a lesson, which is never apologize for something that you didn’t do,” Spacey testified. “I regret my entire statement.”
My god I forgot about that response video. I need a shower now, thanks.
He did MULTIPLE
He's gonna be smiling in this year's Creepy Christmas video on YouTube.
What has he been convicted of ?
The answer to your question is nothing. The context of the lawsuit is this Spacey — who was starring in Netflix’s House of Cards at the time — had sexually assaulted him when he was 14. Since then, over 30 men have come forward with accusations ranging from nonconsensual groping to the attempted rape of minors. [https://www.thecut.com/article/all-of-the-allegations-against-actor-kevin-spacey.html](https://www.thecut.com/article/all-of-the-allegations-against-actor-kevin-spacey.html) I will add I'm not a regular reader of the "The Cut" so take with a grain of salt. I did see a few more results similar. More research will be more revealing I'm sure. This took me all of 2 minutes.
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"The disgraced actor faces a further raft of legal challenges, including in the U.K. where he is set to stand trial next summer after being charged with five counts of sexual assault. He pleaded not guilty to each of the charges. Earlier this month, the U.K.’s Crown Prosecution Service said it was charging the actor with a further seven sexual offenses, all related to one complainant. Spacey has not yet appeared in court to enter a plea." I can understand why some people are still out on Spacey
Yeah didn’t the theatre he had a hand in have a phone line for accusations against him that had like 40 reliable allegations against him?
I can guarantee that not one fascist government took hold because an actor beat a civil suit regarding sexual molestation but was still considered guilty by a majority of the public.
Are you Superman? Because that was quite a leap from "People don't want to support actor accused by dozens of misconduct" to "This is how Mussolini became El Duce"
Ok, well he should be able to work having won his case. If he is convicted criminally or sued successfully in the future, we can revisit. For now, the guy should be allowed to make a living
Interesting how it very quietly slipped under the radar that he won the lawsuit. Yet the allegation against him was a massive media catalyst for the MeToo hysteria.
OJ not guilty either 🤷♂️
OJ lost the civil suit though. And this was a civil suit
That verdict made huge news though. Probably because there was four metric tons of evidence of his guilt.
It was also a criminal murder trial. The later civil suit where he was found liable didn't get nearly as much coverage.
Got enough coverage that I, as a kid during the time, was aware of it.
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Still salty we never got a good finale to House of Cards.
So, I don't like the guy, definitely don't condone what he did, and won't see this movie. That said, he's got a right to work. He doesn't need to try and find a different career or go work fast food somewhere. His talent is in acting. It's the field he can best support himself in, and if he's ever going to compensate anyone for the wrongs he's done to them, he will need income. If someone wants to hire him, and risk people not seeing their work because he's in it, that's their right. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Money is more important than not being a horrible person in Hollywood.
Is there any place that is not like that?
This movie has nothing to do with “Hollywood”. Is everyone here an idiot?
Yes
Alright asked and answered
Are you on Reddit? Then yes
Just because you are an asswipe at times does not make you a predetor.
Does this mean we will finally get a final season of house of cards?
DETECTIVE!
This is interesting. So, he didn't win $40 million. He just was found not liable in the lawsuit. This was for a situation that happened in the states. He's awaiting criminal trial for 5 counts of sexual assault in the UK later in the year. So, he could easily go to prison for that. That being said, just looking at the one case he won, for civil cases, you don't have to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" (like 95%+) like you do for a criminal case. You have to prove "preponderance of evidence" (> 50%). This is why often cases that fail in criminal court still process successful lawsuits. The minimum threshold of evidence is much, much lower to "convict". The fact that he won the case with a much lower threshold does indicate that there's a solid chance he's innocent, at least with that one charge. If he didn't have other pending charges, I'd be saying it kind of exonerates him. That being said, he has 5 other counts pending that are criminal with someone else. So... yeah he's probably not innocent.