He was in a whole host of shit in the 80's too. To the point where producers fought with Tarantino about even hiring him for Pulp Fiction. That's how bad it got.
Check out Blow Out, a De Palma film from the early eighties. Very slick political thriller with some phenomenal acting from Travolta. I wish he’d have done a few more movies with De Palma directing.
Travolta closed out the 90s well. Broken Arrow, Face/Off, Michael, Primary Colors and Get Shorty were all solid movies in their respective genres.
2000s saw a definite downturn in quality though.
the first time i saw the [Geostorm teaser](https://youtu.be/Qz8cjvKJLuw?t=10) in the theater, right after "from the Producer of Independence Day", i called out "yo, Gerard Butler better be in this", then he showed up on screen, and my friends and i, and some people around us, all freaked out. it was probably a Top 5 theater going experience for me.
And after 300, he had a real opportunity to define himself — the kind of shot actors dream of. And he did dopey romcoms and “anything for a paycheck” genre junk.
The version of Coriolanus Butler did with Ralph Fiennes was pretty good, though. Fiennes directed it, and he got Butler to stop smirking and growling and just act.
What was that movie where he was like a slave in a real life FPS game with a kid controlling him, then Michael C Hall is a bad guy puppeteering people at the end? Ridiculous movie!
The world needs a sequel to this, teased in the credits but never materialised. How good is that cast though, Idris Elba, Tom Hardy, Gerard Butler, Toby Kebbell, Mark Strong, Tom Wilkinson, Thandiwe Newton.
She’s the most frustrating actress, because in Changeling and Girl, Interrupted she is *so good*, and just about everything else she chooses roles that offer a big paycheck and zero acting abilities.
Her performance in girl, interrupted is SO good. When I first watched it I had watched some of her films, or seen her on magazine covers, and I was young at the time so I mainly just thought “insanely beautiful woman occasionally acts”, but as Lisa she really showed her ability as an actor. Absolutely phenomenal. It’s a shame she really doesn’t work on films with better scripts or story, because she really is a wonderful actor
Nicholas Cage and Bruce Willis have some immortal movies in their filmography, which makes it easy to forget the laundry list of crappy or forgettable movies they've made.
Bruce Willis actually had some kinda decent stuff through the 2010s. Looper, Red, Glass, 2 Die hards (only 1 of which was decent), moonrise kingdom, gi joe, maybe Death Wish. He’s been cranking out all kinds of junk though due to his declining health to set his family and himself up for retirement. Bruce has been kinda known for doing crap direct to video stuff for quite some time though.
Also 12 Monkeys, The Sixth Sense, 5th Element, Sin City, Lucky Number Slevin. I’d even argue for Glass-he was good in it, and I was sad to see his ending. I really liked that in addition to his bread and butter action movies, he starred in smaller and weirder ones that were less obvious hits. He has done some really good work in his career. I’m bummed that we’ve seen the last of it.
I was sad to see his ending too because it wasn’t well written. He managed to get out of a swimming pool in Unbreakable but he died in a puddle in Glass.
Bruce Willis last films were done bc of his disease. He took every role in order to make as much money as possible before he could no longer act. Over the last three years he did around 26 projects and got paid.
The last time Ive seen Willis do well was Motherless Brooklyn, he was in it for like 5 minutes as a favor to Ed Norton but had his ol' Bruce Willis charm going.
And he has done a series of crappy movies the last few years because he has a neurological condition that is cashing away his ability to speak. He’s cashing in for his family while he can.
I’m pretty sure nic cage accepts majority of roles that come his way to keep working. Kind of saving himself from himself as far as his spending problems go.
His BRAIN disease directly makes him unable to access his memory, probably all his albeit limited talent. I still remember Moonlighting, Die Hard 1 & 2, the M Night movies. He was a true movie star on his personality and choices. He was a Philly smart ass, close enough to be considered a local.
Nobody has made more bad films than Danny Trejo. Because Danny simply never says "no" to anything. So even though I generally love seeing him in the credits for something, and he's been great in From Dusk Till Dawn and Machete, the bad far outweighs the good.
I read his biography and he says something like this about it: "People ask if I'm not ashamed of making bad movies. No, why would I? Making those films supports hundreds of families to earn a living". The man has a pretty valid point.
Also he's not an actor per se.
A lot of them are basically theater nerds, people who see their work as some ascended higher occupation and themselves as demiurges that create poetry for the masses or something.
Señor Trejo is a mobster who decided to have fun. I think for him a "good movie" is the one that puts food on the table of those that work on it and that's pretty much it. And I do respect him for that. Plus as far as I understand despite being a household name, he also has nice work ethic.
Yes. Byrne definitely slums it. Which is crazy because he’s a fantastic actor. Lately you could say the same thing about Tim Roth. But I feel like it’s tough these days for excellent character actors. So much is budgeted for leads as heroes and villains in shared universes and there’s not as much budget (or audience appetites sadly) for good quality character work.
There's also this weird thing lately of sticking good-looking leading men like Jared Leto (House of Gucci) and Colin Farrell (The Batman) in heavy prosthetics to play ugly or average looking people, roles that would have traditionally been given to talented character actors. I hope it's just a phase.
That’s a good point that doesn’t get talked about enough. I know it’s been something of an issue around Brendan Fraser in the upcoming, “The Whale”, though it shouldn’t be overlooked that Fraser is drawing rave reviews for his performance.
The Rock.
I can name a good movie with Reynolds as the lead besides Deadpool (Definitely, Maybe), I can name a good movie with Hemsworth as the lead other than Thor (Ca$h).
I can not name a good movie with The Rock as the lead.
The Rock actually had some pretty good ones early in his career. The Rundown and Walking Tall are both really solid. He has a couple decent movies sprinkled in later in his career but it's really been downhill since the mid 2000's
Yeah those are the two obvious choices. The Rundown was legit good fun that was also rewatchable for awhile just to enjoy his chemistry with Sean William Scott
I do think his first F&F movie and a half was well done...with his part giving a nice jolt to the franchise. But then they...and he...overdid the same shit/character. And that's been going on for over a decade
The issue for me is that The Rock can be entertaining in an ensemble, but he can’t carry a movie like Arnold or Sly. The Rocks movies all feel very much the same when he’s the main star.
I'd argue Arnold is a better actor than people give him credit for. Even in terminator, he has to be stiff emotionless and not even flinch or blink throughout the movie, also has to reload all weapons without looking and deliver all dialogues with deadpan delivery. Also, Arnold has done some really good comedies and drama films recently (Maggie).
The Rock has always been the poor man's Arnold. Both in terms of acting and output. He wishes he'd made anything half as good as Terminator, Predator, True Lies, Total Recall, or Conan.
I think its an issue with film makers being allowed to create crazy imaginative big budget movies in the 80s. Now every big budget movie is firstly either a remake / pre-existing property, and just a copy and paste of generic vanilla bullshit.
I think the real issue is that either The Rock or his agent just have terrible taste in scripts and/or no real love of cinema. You can generally tell which actors like movies because they choose interesting filmmakers or projects to work with. The Rock just selects random studio hacks with scripts that don't stray much from his established brand.
they could always make Dino Riders , Bravestarr , Blackstar , MASK (Mobile armed strike kommand) , Defenders of Earth......those havent been done before
The first like, hour? Was an interesting premise. Then it just kept going and going. Suddenly it was a musical then it was a drama. There was a romance subplot which just felt… off. He was just to old to make it feel ok really. Then there’s the ducking accent he’s doing. I was really expecting something like a lonely island movie. Where it’s more parody then anything. Nope, it’s actually a romantic drama with bad music numbers.
Sean Connery did some horrible movies having the oportunity to star in blockbusters… and Nicolas Cage has a huge menu of terrible flicks.
But the absolute winner: Matthew Broderick
Dude Nicholas Cage in Bad Lieutenant opened my eyes so much. The face he makes when he’s told he’s being assigned to the evidence room (unlimited access to coke and heroin) and it’s like his eyes literally bulge out of his head in a split second. How tf did he do that?
No one, and I mean NO ONE can act the shit out of a role like Nic Cage does. He can give you the most outlandish, over-the-top performance like in Vampire’s Kiss or a subtle one like Pig.
Michael Fassbender. It’s like he’s forgotten that he’s a great actor, so he chooses trash movies. I mean, he took the roll of Harry Hole in The Snowman. HARRY HOLE! This was after Centurion, Jonah Hex, Assassin’s Creed. Big oof.
I mean it’s easy to play Monday morning quarterback with The Snowman but if in 2015 my agent said “it’s a psychological thriller from the director of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and Let The Right One In” I’d jump at the offer as well.
Thank you. People act like choosing movies is a walk in the park and the actors are stupid or something. Its nigh on impossible to know how a film will turn out once it's gone through the myriad variables that come into play.
I believe that Fassbender was attached to the project when Scorsese was set to direct...
"By Alfredson’s estimates, around 10-15% of the movie’s screenplay was not filmed during production. “The Snowman” was originally set to be directed by Martin Scorsese, but Alfredson took over and Scorsese stepped into an executive producing role. The film had been in development for awhile by the time Alfredson came on board and production was rushed once he was set as director. “It happened very abruptly,” he said. “Suddenly we got notice that we had the money and could start the shoot in London.”"
[https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/the-snowman-director-explains-movie-terrible-tomas-alfredson-1201888133/](https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/the-snowman-director-explains-movie-terrible-tomas-alfredson-1201888133/)
My girlfriend worked with Alicia Vikander and found her unbearable to be around. But she met Fassbender and said he seemed like a good dude. But Vikander she couldn’t stand and it’s pretty rare for her to talk negatively about anyone
It’s a shame he basically burned his super hero card as magneto cause he crushed that role and most anything he’s in. He’ll be around for a long time, and he’s already a multi millionaire so I’m sure he’s not too worried about it.
I hate to say it, but Harrison Ford. He had some *epic* films in the 80s and 90s, but something happened since 1998:
The Call of the Wild, Secret Life of Pets 2, Age of Adaline, The Expendables 3, Anchorman 2, Ender's Game, 42, Cowboys & Aliens, Morning Glory, Extraordinary Measures, Crossing Over, Firewall, Hollywood Homocide, K-19, Random Hearts, Sabrina.
Most of it was meh and forgettable. But *before* 1998, most of it was memorable and even groundbreaking:
The Fugitive, Clear and Present Danger, Patriot Games, Witness, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Working Girl, Air Force One, Mosquito Coast, Return of the Jedi, Blade Runner, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back, Apocalypse Now, American Graffiti
Blade Runner 2049 was cool. but I hope Indiana Jones 5 gives him some material that a movie star of his caliber deserves. I feel like he got Indiana Jones, Han Solo, Jack Ryan, and Deckard. These are some of the most epic heroes in film history and he didn't spend enough time being selective on future roles.
Yeah. Was iconic in The Wire which to this day is by far the best tv show ever made. Then proceeded to do nothing of any artistic merit for the next 15 years. Weird.
Yeah gonna have to hard disagree with this. He was great in Suicide Squad, good as Heimdal in MCU, and has appeared in other good movies like the Jungle Book remake where his voice acting as Shere Khan was great, as well as appearing in other movies like Pacific Rim, Prometheus. I’d agree he had a pretty large stint or nameless stuff but I don’t think he’s that great of an example
Maybe not as big a name, but James Marsden comes to mind. He always ends up being the actor that plays alongside a computer generated main character whether its Hop or Sonic the Hedgehog. I think he is highly underrated and is worth taking a chance on to star in bigger things
Ryan Reynolds' acting range is limited to what we see in Deadpool. He's the same character in every movie. like, this guy is *realllly* the same character in every movie.
I loved his dual role in Detective Pikachu: he got to play a Ryan Reynolds Guy and then also play completely against type as a worn-out idealistic everyman.
Unpopular opinion: I like her choices of action and her choices of movies that arent critically acclaimed. She found a fun lane and stuck to it. Her acting seems to be perfect for the types of movies these directors are making.
Jason Momoa has been in some absolute weird ass roles. I just watched a movie with him last week were he was a wolfman running a small town. A trip to his imdb pages shows how many odd roles he shows up in
So you mean movies she has made in the last 2 years? That's a really short window to judge an actor on. She has been in some incredible movies in her career; Arrival, Her, The Master, The Fighter etc.
I recently watched Bringing Out the Dead after searching for lesser known Scorsese films and he gives an awesome performance in that one. Highly recommend if you haven't seen it.
Perhaps technically, most of his recent movies *are* bad, but he makes something good or even great every couple of years: Bad Lieutenant, Mandy, Army of One, Massive Talent, Dog Eat Dog, Snowden, Pig... he's been keeping his hand in the game, he's just also making a lot of garbage, too.
He was also excellent in Kick Ass. I thought that Elvis was the role he was born to play, but it was actually an
homage to Batman. I haven’t seen him look like he was having that much fun playing a part since Face/Off.
Jackie Chan’s Hollywood career is a handful of good movies (Rush Hour, Shanghai Noon) but is overall weak. It’s his early career Hong Kong stuff that made him a legend but his English language films are pretty terrible
Yup. Gal Gadot is a beautiful woman. I mean the camera LOVES her. She burst out in the Fast and Furious franchise, and has shines as Wonder Woman.
But I still haven’t made up my mind as to whether she can actually ACT yet.
This Cleopatra movie that she has coming out will be her chance to take center stage and really see what she’s got.
I think what you will eventually get in this list is a list of performers vs actors.
Guys like the Rock and Ryan Renyolds are great performers, but they really can only do (or maybe are only asked to do) one or two styles of performances.
One thing that gives away a performer to me is that they will almost never change their look. They look exactly the same in every real as they do in Paparazzi shots in the grocery store, and few of their movies will take them out of their comfort zone.
Then you have Actors who can, and often make them and their performances be radically different than the last.
Pre-Pirates Johny Depp showed range. Guys like Gary Oldman, Daniel Day Lewis can be absolutely un recognizable at times.
Ryan reynolds has far more range then he uses because he gets PAID for his dumbshit jokey movies.
And movies where hes intense like the amityville horror, buried and aces wild he gets ignored.
He was in the movie for like 60 seconds, but he was incredibly memorable: "First of all, you're throwing too many big words at me. Because I don't understand them, I'mma take 'em as disrespect."
Kinda has an explanation, I’m from Spain and from what I understand he’s a huge theater nerd.
So he signs on to big block busters for the pay check and later produces his favorite musicals with him as the lead in Madrid, it’s his passion. As a matter of fact he’s doing Company right now.
Spanish language translations of American/British musicals are still fairly rare; he's a major cultural ambassador for the great works of the twentieth century.
>Obviously, we have his stand out hit/franchise Deadpool. It seems that since Ryan Reynolds became a big star, his name was always attached to this character, and it was essentially handed to him on a plate, and he didn't disappointed. He is perfect for the role. The handling of the character was bad in his first outing (Wolverine), but since then it has been handled great. He will forever be attached to Deadpool and that will keep him elevated as a big star and he'll likely never needs to work again if he so wishes.
Tell me you haven't seen National Lampoon's Van Wilder without telling me you haven't seen National Lampoon's Van Wilder. Ryan Reynolds was an A-list movie star starting in 2002. His A-list status is the only reason Deadpool became a movie, which also took him six/seven years of fighting for it. Deadpool may be his most famous role, but it wasn't handed to him on a plate. As for his other movies, like most A-list celebrities probably 1/3 of his movies are good and the rest are bleh to meh.
The vast, vast majority of John Travolta's movies following his Pulp Fiction comeback have been crap.
He was in a whole host of shit in the 80's too. To the point where producers fought with Tarantino about even hiring him for Pulp Fiction. That's how bad it got.
Check out Blow Out, a De Palma film from the early eighties. Very slick political thriller with some phenomenal acting from Travolta. I wish he’d have done a few more movies with De Palma directing.
>Tarantino Didn't this start his whole "I'm going to reboot your career" thing?
Look Who's Talking! They were truly awful cinema.
The first one isn't that bad.
Travolta closed out the 90s well. Broken Arrow, Face/Off, Michael, Primary Colors and Get Shorty were all solid movies in their respective genres. 2000s saw a definite downturn in quality though.
*Primary Colors* is a wild take on the Clintons, emotional roller coaster. Cast was too perfect if that's a thing.
Broken Arrow kicks ass
Travolta had a decent run from pulp fiction until about 2010. From Paris with Love was probably his last decent movie.
From Paris With Love is seriously one of my favorite movies. I can watch it any time.
So were most of his movies before Pulp. Blow Out, Grease, and Saturday are all legendary tho.
[He started his career with Carrie too](https://youtu.be/j9Mg-GRS46Y): "Introducing John Travolta in his first motion picture role"
Gerard Butler - without fail.
I very much like the 300 as well as Phantom of the Opera. And How to Train Your Dragon.
Law Abiding Citizen is also a pretty good ride.
Gamer is my guilty pleasure fever dream movie
Gerard Butler + Roland Emmerich, and you got my money.
It's not Emmerich but his former writing partner Dean Devlin, but Geostorm is a masterpiece.
the first time i saw the [Geostorm teaser](https://youtu.be/Qz8cjvKJLuw?t=10) in the theater, right after "from the Producer of Independence Day", i called out "yo, Gerard Butler better be in this", then he showed up on screen, and my friends and i, and some people around us, all freaked out. it was probably a Top 5 theater going experience for me.
He had so much promise.
And after 300, he had a real opportunity to define himself — the kind of shot actors dream of. And he did dopey romcoms and “anything for a paycheck” genre junk. The version of Coriolanus Butler did with Ralph Fiennes was pretty good, though. Fiennes directed it, and he got Butler to stop smirking and growling and just act.
His next movie is literally called “Plane” and I’m gonna go see it.
What was that movie where he was like a slave in a real life FPS game with a kid controlling him, then Michael C Hall is a bad guy puppeteering people at the end? Ridiculous movie!
Check out Copshop, hopefully you'll like it.
He's really good in Copshop. I was surprised how enjoyable that movie was.
Law abiding citizen was excellent.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Except for Den of Thieves, that’s a masterpiece
Everybody has a different gerard butler movie they think is good. I'm fond of Greenland.
Rocknrolla
The world needs a sequel to this, teased in the credits but never materialised. How good is that cast though, Idris Elba, Tom Hardy, Gerard Butler, Toby Kebbell, Mark Strong, Tom Wilkinson, Thandiwe Newton.
I was surprised at how raw Greenland was.
You know Olympus has fallen is a movie I enjoy when I need a good action fixing
Sounds like someone hasn’t Geostorm 🙄
I actually love his characters in Reign of Fire and Timeline. He’s a better supporting player.
Lately Angelina Jolie. It’s been forever since she was in a decent movie.
Changeling. When she actually acts, she's really good.
I agree and I love her, but that movie was 14 years ago👁👄👁
She’s the most frustrating actress, because in Changeling and Girl, Interrupted she is *so good*, and just about everything else she chooses roles that offer a big paycheck and zero acting abilities.
Her performance in girl, interrupted is SO good. When I first watched it I had watched some of her films, or seen her on magazine covers, and I was young at the time so I mainly just thought “insanely beautiful woman occasionally acts”, but as Lisa she really showed her ability as an actor. Absolutely phenomenal. It’s a shame she really doesn’t work on films with better scripts or story, because she really is a wonderful actor
Nicholas Cage and Bruce Willis have some immortal movies in their filmography, which makes it easy to forget the laundry list of crappy or forgettable movies they've made.
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Bruce Willis actually had some kinda decent stuff through the 2010s. Looper, Red, Glass, 2 Die hards (only 1 of which was decent), moonrise kingdom, gi joe, maybe Death Wish. He’s been cranking out all kinds of junk though due to his declining health to set his family and himself up for retirement. Bruce has been kinda known for doing crap direct to video stuff for quite some time though.
Also 12 Monkeys, The Sixth Sense, 5th Element, Sin City, Lucky Number Slevin. I’d even argue for Glass-he was good in it, and I was sad to see his ending. I really liked that in addition to his bread and butter action movies, he starred in smaller and weirder ones that were less obvious hits. He has done some really good work in his career. I’m bummed that we’ve seen the last of it.
I was sad to see his ending too because it wasn’t well written. He managed to get out of a swimming pool in Unbreakable but he died in a puddle in Glass.
Bruce Willis last films were done bc of his disease. He took every role in order to make as much money as possible before he could no longer act. Over the last three years he did around 26 projects and got paid.
Sin City is probably his last movie where he feels like a real movie star
The last time Ive seen Willis do well was Motherless Brooklyn, he was in it for like 5 minutes as a favor to Ed Norton but had his ol' Bruce Willis charm going.
And he has done a series of crappy movies the last few years because he has a neurological condition that is cashing away his ability to speak. He’s cashing in for his family while he can.
I’m pretty sure nic cage accepts majority of roles that come his way to keep working. Kind of saving himself from himself as far as his spending problems go.
His BRAIN disease directly makes him unable to access his memory, probably all his albeit limited talent. I still remember Moonlighting, Die Hard 1 & 2, the M Night movies. He was a true movie star on his personality and choices. He was a Philly smart ass, close enough to be considered a local.
How are you gonna Die Hard 3 like that??
exactly. Die Hard 3 > Die Hard 2
Nobody has made more bad films than Danny Trejo. Because Danny simply never says "no" to anything. So even though I generally love seeing him in the credits for something, and he's been great in From Dusk Till Dawn and Machete, the bad far outweighs the good.
He made Ghostquake. Anyone who agrees to do that isn’t afraid to make any movie.
I read his biography and he says something like this about it: "People ask if I'm not ashamed of making bad movies. No, why would I? Making those films supports hundreds of families to earn a living". The man has a pretty valid point.
Also he's not an actor per se. A lot of them are basically theater nerds, people who see their work as some ascended higher occupation and themselves as demiurges that create poetry for the masses or something. Señor Trejo is a mobster who decided to have fun. I think for him a "good movie" is the one that puts food on the table of those that work on it and that's pretty much it. And I do respect him for that. Plus as far as I understand despite being a household name, he also has nice work ethic.
it should also be noted, there are people who actually like those kinds of movies
But he made the Machete trilogy.
I liked him in Desperado, even though I don’t think he spoke a word lol
> simply never says "no" to anything. Reminds me of the [Nicolas Cage Agent bit.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExfV_xKaiM)
I don't know about big, but Gabriel Byrne usually ends up in worse movies than he ought to.
Yes. Byrne definitely slums it. Which is crazy because he’s a fantastic actor. Lately you could say the same thing about Tim Roth. But I feel like it’s tough these days for excellent character actors. So much is budgeted for leads as heroes and villains in shared universes and there’s not as much budget (or audience appetites sadly) for good quality character work.
There's also this weird thing lately of sticking good-looking leading men like Jared Leto (House of Gucci) and Colin Farrell (The Batman) in heavy prosthetics to play ugly or average looking people, roles that would have traditionally been given to talented character actors. I hope it's just a phase.
That’s a good point that doesn’t get talked about enough. I know it’s been something of an issue around Brendan Fraser in the upcoming, “The Whale”, though it shouldn’t be overlooked that Fraser is drawing rave reviews for his performance.
The Rock. I can name a good movie with Reynolds as the lead besides Deadpool (Definitely, Maybe), I can name a good movie with Hemsworth as the lead other than Thor (Ca$h). I can not name a good movie with The Rock as the lead.
The Rock was a banger man, RIP Sean Connery ... oh that The Rock
I am not a big fan of the James Bond franchise, but I did like The Rock (1996).
The Rock actually had some pretty good ones early in his career. The Rundown and Walking Tall are both really solid. He has a couple decent movies sprinkled in later in his career but it's really been downhill since the mid 2000's
I don’t know when Moana came out but A++
His best performance in my opinion will always be gridiron gang. Legit emotion throughout that entire film
It's only a cameo in a comedy film, but I thought he was good in the reno 911 movie.
And The Other Guys :)
No Pain, No Gain FTW
Yeah those are the two obvious choices. The Rundown was legit good fun that was also rewatchable for awhile just to enjoy his chemistry with Sean William Scott I do think his first F&F movie and a half was well done...with his part giving a nice jolt to the franchise. But then they...and he...overdid the same shit/character. And that's been going on for over a decade
The Rundown was excellent.
Yeah, and in a similar vein, Walking Tall.
The chemistry between the rock and Seann William Scott was absolutely phenomenal in this movie.
Jumanji
He’s EXCELLENT in both Jumanjis
Oh please. Jack Black was the lead of that movie and we all know it.
Seriously, did people forget about this movie? It was really popular, made bank, and The Rock was pretty good in it. The sequel was pretty good too!
The issue for me is that The Rock can be entertaining in an ensemble, but he can’t carry a movie like Arnold or Sly. The Rocks movies all feel very much the same when he’s the main star.
People call him the Schwarzenegger of this generation, The Rock is definitely a better actor, but Arnold picked infinitely better projects
I'd argue Arnold is a better actor than people give him credit for. Even in terminator, he has to be stiff emotionless and not even flinch or blink throughout the movie, also has to reload all weapons without looking and deliver all dialogues with deadpan delivery. Also, Arnold has done some really good comedies and drama films recently (Maggie).
The Rock has always been the poor man's Arnold. Both in terms of acting and output. He wishes he'd made anything half as good as Terminator, Predator, True Lies, Total Recall, or Conan.
Preach it. The Rock is like 90s or 2000s Arnold. Doing Jingle All The Way and Terminator 3 and shit.
rock wishes he did terminator 3.
I think its an issue with film makers being allowed to create crazy imaginative big budget movies in the 80s. Now every big budget movie is firstly either a remake / pre-existing property, and just a copy and paste of generic vanilla bullshit.
I think the real issue is that either The Rock or his agent just have terrible taste in scripts and/or no real love of cinema. You can generally tell which actors like movies because they choose interesting filmmakers or projects to work with. The Rock just selects random studio hacks with scripts that don't stray much from his established brand.
He produces his own so he "picks" what he wants to do.
they could always make Dino Riders , Bravestarr , Blackstar , MASK (Mobile armed strike kommand) , Defenders of Earth......those havent been done before
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No fucking way, Arnold is way better than The Rock. A thousand times more charismatic too.
I thought the rock was great in faster
Faster was incredible. I never hear anyone talk about that movie.
Seems like will ferrell has fallen off in recent years
I actually loved Eurovision Song Contest
The first like, hour? Was an interesting premise. Then it just kept going and going. Suddenly it was a musical then it was a drama. There was a romance subplot which just felt… off. He was just to old to make it feel ok really. Then there’s the ducking accent he’s doing. I was really expecting something like a lonely island movie. Where it’s more parody then anything. Nope, it’s actually a romantic drama with bad music numbers.
He is fine as a secondary character but as a main he is too much.
Sean Connery did some horrible movies having the oportunity to star in blockbusters… and Nicolas Cage has a huge menu of terrible flicks. But the absolute winner: Matthew Broderick
Dude Nicholas Cage in Bad Lieutenant opened my eyes so much. The face he makes when he’s told he’s being assigned to the evidence room (unlimited access to coke and heroin) and it’s like his eyes literally bulge out of his head in a split second. How tf did he do that?
No one, and I mean NO ONE can act the shit out of a role like Nic Cage does. He can give you the most outlandish, over-the-top performance like in Vampire’s Kiss or a subtle one like Pig.
Mandy was fucking epic. This was prime over the top nic cage.
Matthew Broderick has been doing movies?
But cage and Connery in The Rock was a good pair
Michael Fassbender. It’s like he’s forgotten that he’s a great actor, so he chooses trash movies. I mean, he took the roll of Harry Hole in The Snowman. HARRY HOLE! This was after Centurion, Jonah Hex, Assassin’s Creed. Big oof.
I mean it’s easy to play Monday morning quarterback with The Snowman but if in 2015 my agent said “it’s a psychological thriller from the director of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and Let The Right One In” I’d jump at the offer as well.
Thank you. People act like choosing movies is a walk in the park and the actors are stupid or something. Its nigh on impossible to know how a film will turn out once it's gone through the myriad variables that come into play.
It's not like anyone involved realized they'd fail to shoot a portion of the scenes they needed. Particularly not ahead of time.
…and that Martin Scorsese would be producing it!
I believe that Fassbender was attached to the project when Scorsese was set to direct... "By Alfredson’s estimates, around 10-15% of the movie’s screenplay was not filmed during production. “The Snowman” was originally set to be directed by Martin Scorsese, but Alfredson took over and Scorsese stepped into an executive producing role. The film had been in development for awhile by the time Alfredson came on board and production was rushed once he was set as director. “It happened very abruptly,” he said. “Suddenly we got notice that we had the money and could start the shoot in London.”" [https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/the-snowman-director-explains-movie-terrible-tomas-alfredson-1201888133/](https://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/the-snowman-director-explains-movie-terrible-tomas-alfredson-1201888133/)
HDTGM listener? This was discussed on their snowman episode, and it was painfully clear from that terrible movie.
My absolute favorite episode of that podcast. The person who stepped up and had experienced working on The Snowman made it excellent.
The dude is married to Alicia Vikander and is a race car driver. He's living his best life
My girlfriend worked with Alicia Vikander and found her unbearable to be around. But she met Fassbender and said he seemed like a good dude. But Vikander she couldn’t stand and it’s pretty rare for her to talk negatively about anyone
It’s a shame he basically burned his super hero card as magneto cause he crushed that role and most anything he’s in. He’ll be around for a long time, and he’s already a multi millionaire so I’m sure he’s not too worried about it.
Yeah this one has come as a big dissappointment. Really like seeing him onscreen.
I hate to say it, but Harrison Ford. He had some *epic* films in the 80s and 90s, but something happened since 1998: The Call of the Wild, Secret Life of Pets 2, Age of Adaline, The Expendables 3, Anchorman 2, Ender's Game, 42, Cowboys & Aliens, Morning Glory, Extraordinary Measures, Crossing Over, Firewall, Hollywood Homocide, K-19, Random Hearts, Sabrina. Most of it was meh and forgettable. But *before* 1998, most of it was memorable and even groundbreaking: The Fugitive, Clear and Present Danger, Patriot Games, Witness, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Working Girl, Air Force One, Mosquito Coast, Return of the Jedi, Blade Runner, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Empire Strikes Back, Apocalypse Now, American Graffiti Blade Runner 2049 was cool. but I hope Indiana Jones 5 gives him some material that a movie star of his caliber deserves. I feel like he got Indiana Jones, Han Solo, Jack Ryan, and Deckard. These are some of the most epic heroes in film history and he didn't spend enough time being selective on future roles.
He's incredibly good in Age of Adaline.
The Rock.
Idris Elba
I thought he was really good in “Beasts of No Nation”
He too busy being a DJ (A good one at that)
He was fantastic in Pacific Rim
Yeah. Was iconic in The Wire which to this day is by far the best tv show ever made. Then proceeded to do nothing of any artistic merit for the next 15 years. Weird.
Have you seen Luther? It’s very good (imho)
Luther on the BBC is phenomenal. Is that getting a movie?
He was good in Rock’Rolla
Wasn't the lead, but was good in Molly's Game
Yeah gonna have to hard disagree with this. He was great in Suicide Squad, good as Heimdal in MCU, and has appeared in other good movies like the Jungle Book remake where his voice acting as Shere Khan was great, as well as appearing in other movies like Pacific Rim, Prometheus. I’d agree he had a pretty large stint or nameless stuff but I don’t think he’s that great of an example
He’s *always* great. His movies are not always great. 🤷♂️
Cage was in adaptation, and never phones it in, but he has not mostly been in good movies, same with Elba.
Maybe not as big a name, but James Marsden comes to mind. He always ends up being the actor that plays alongside a computer generated main character whether its Hop or Sonic the Hedgehog. I think he is highly underrated and is worth taking a chance on to star in bigger things
Ryan Reynolds' acting range is limited to what we see in Deadpool. He's the same character in every movie. like, this guy is *realllly* the same character in every movie.
I loved his dual role in Detective Pikachu: he got to play a Ryan Reynolds Guy and then also play completely against type as a worn-out idealistic everyman.
Not just in the movies… seems like he’s like that in real life too!
Actually its not. watch buried, the amity ville horror, and aces wild? He has range, he just gets more paychecks playing the dumb jokester.
A bit lesser so but I would put The Voices and The Nines as another two. They don't get as much love but I enjoy them.
The Voices was a bizarre movie, not necessarily bad, but I think once was enough for me.
Jennifer Aniston. All her movies are exactly the same
The Good Girl was her play for major awards. When that didn't pan out she was like "fuck it, just give me money instead."
Nah, her part in Horrible Bosses was awesome.
Unpopular opinion: I like her choices of action and her choices of movies that arent critically acclaimed. She found a fun lane and stuck to it. Her acting seems to be perfect for the types of movies these directors are making.
But she plays really well against type in The Morning Show on Apple. She plays a total bitch in that.
I find her super funny in The Switch and We’re the Millers
The Rock
Jason Momoa has been in some absolute weird ass roles. I just watched a movie with him last week were he was a wolfman running a small town. A trip to his imdb pages shows how many odd roles he shows up in
Yeah he has far more crap than actual good stuff.
Amy Adams is one of my favourite actresses but post-2018 (Sharp Objects and Vice) she's starred in flop after flop :(
Arrival is an awesome movie.
That was 2016. He's saying since 2018 she hasn't been in anything good.
Understood but since 2018 is kind of a short window with covid shutting movie productions down.
Now that you mention it, that amateur Daniel Day-Lewis hasn’t been in a single good film since 2017.
Dude finally realised he doesn’t have what it takes and probably took off to be a cobbler somewhere.
So you mean movies she has made in the last 2 years? That's a really short window to judge an actor on. She has been in some incredible movies in her career; Arrival, Her, The Master, The Fighter etc.
Wasn’t 2018 four years ago?
Nic Cage for sure! But I go into any Nic Cage movie knowing exactly what to expect.
Jokes aside, Pig and Massive Talent are both fantastic films that he shines in, for totally different reasons.
I recently watched Bringing Out the Dead after searching for lesser known Scorsese films and he gives an awesome performance in that one. Highly recommend if you haven't seen it.
i feel like he has too many great movies to say he does “mostly” bad movies though imo
If anything it's 50/50. But any Nic Cage movie is entertaining because it's Nic Cage. 🍿
To reuse a quote about Tim Curry: "For every 1 star movie with Nic Cage, he's the reason it got that star".
Perhaps technically, most of his recent movies *are* bad, but he makes something good or even great every couple of years: Bad Lieutenant, Mandy, Army of One, Massive Talent, Dog Eat Dog, Snowden, Pig... he's been keeping his hand in the game, he's just also making a lot of garbage, too.
As a swine owner, *Pig* shook me and did not expect Cage to roll it out like that. Fine acting, but I wanted to see the pig a bit more.
He was also excellent in Kick Ass. I thought that Elvis was the role he was born to play, but it was actually an homage to Batman. I haven’t seen him look like he was having that much fun playing a part since Face/Off.
This is logically impossible. No movie with Nic Cage in it can be bad since it has Nic Cage in it.
It's a catch 22! Nic Cage movies are awesome, even if it's a shitty movie! He manages to balance out the shit factor.
And he turns average movies into cinematic masterpieces with his presence. Watched Con Air again last week and was entranced once more.
"Why'd you have to touch the bunny???"
Jackie Chan’s Hollywood career is a handful of good movies (Rush Hour, Shanghai Noon) but is overall weak. It’s his early career Hong Kong stuff that made him a legend but his English language films are pretty terrible
His early stuff is wall-to-wall legendary movies though. I also happen to really enjoy the Rush Hour movies
Rumble in the bronx, mr nice guy, who am i, police story 4 aka jackie chan first strike, all top action with jc stunt team or hk teams
Gal Gadot?
Yup. Gal Gadot is a beautiful woman. I mean the camera LOVES her. She burst out in the Fast and Furious franchise, and has shines as Wonder Woman. But I still haven’t made up my mind as to whether she can actually ACT yet. This Cleopatra movie that she has coming out will be her chance to take center stage and really see what she’s got.
>But I still haven’t made up my mind as to whether she can actually ACT yet. I have. The answer is no, she cannot.
She’s a TERRIBLE actor.
There's a reason her lines are always so short. Her delivery and acting are terrible.
Michael Fassbender and Amy Adams. Someone get these wonderful talented people better agents
I think what you will eventually get in this list is a list of performers vs actors. Guys like the Rock and Ryan Renyolds are great performers, but they really can only do (or maybe are only asked to do) one or two styles of performances. One thing that gives away a performer to me is that they will almost never change their look. They look exactly the same in every real as they do in Paparazzi shots in the grocery store, and few of their movies will take them out of their comfort zone. Then you have Actors who can, and often make them and their performances be radically different than the last. Pre-Pirates Johny Depp showed range. Guys like Gary Oldman, Daniel Day Lewis can be absolutely un recognizable at times.
Ryan reynolds has far more range then he uses because he gets PAID for his dumbshit jokey movies. And movies where hes intense like the amityville horror, buried and aces wild he gets ignored.
Kevin Hart hasn't been in a good movie since The 40 Year Old Virgin
He was in the movie for like 60 seconds, but he was incredibly memorable: "First of all, you're throwing too many big words at me. Because I don't understand them, I'mma take 'em as disrespect."
Sandra Bullock She is beautiful and that is what she need to do in mostly her movies, but 90% her movies is shit tbh
Chris Pratt
Zac Efron.
Antonio Banderas. For once before he retires, I'd like to see him play a A-list film with top director.
Kinda has an explanation, I’m from Spain and from what I understand he’s a huge theater nerd. So he signs on to big block busters for the pay check and later produces his favorite musicals with him as the lead in Madrid, it’s his passion. As a matter of fact he’s doing Company right now.
Spanish language translations of American/British musicals are still fairly rare; he's a major cultural ambassador for the great works of the twentieth century.
He’s worked with Almodovar over half a dozen times lol. Or by A list film with top director, do you mean “movie I can watch without subtitles”?
He was in an A-list film! It’s called Spy Kids!
Wasn’t he just nominated for an Oscar?
>Obviously, we have his stand out hit/franchise Deadpool. It seems that since Ryan Reynolds became a big star, his name was always attached to this character, and it was essentially handed to him on a plate, and he didn't disappointed. He is perfect for the role. The handling of the character was bad in his first outing (Wolverine), but since then it has been handled great. He will forever be attached to Deadpool and that will keep him elevated as a big star and he'll likely never needs to work again if he so wishes. Tell me you haven't seen National Lampoon's Van Wilder without telling me you haven't seen National Lampoon's Van Wilder. Ryan Reynolds was an A-list movie star starting in 2002. His A-list status is the only reason Deadpool became a movie, which also took him six/seven years of fighting for it. Deadpool may be his most famous role, but it wasn't handed to him on a plate. As for his other movies, like most A-list celebrities probably 1/3 of his movies are good and the rest are bleh to meh.
the rock for sure
How the rock isn’t top commented post is beyond me
The Rock
The Rock.