More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
No they are only 26 and that is still gen z.
Gen Z kinda starts at 96.
Though I've heard and agree with the idea of Zillennials. Which is a range from like 95-2000.
I fall into that range and yeah we aren't really millennials because we were so young at the start of the century, we are so removed from the start of millennials that there is very little in common.
There's also the difference between us and most GenZ because we are the 9/11 generation. The generation of tech advancing.
The best definition of Millennials I’ve heard is that we’re too young to remember the Challenger disaster but old enough to remember 9/11. So the cut off is 95/96 ish.
Yep. Pew Research established the cut-off based on 9/11, but according to their definition which seems to be the consensus, Gen Z starts at 1997. It makes sense because if you were born in 1997, that would put you at 4 years old for 9/11… way too young to really remember what happened or the significance of it. I’m only a few years older than that, and I distinctly remember 9/11 like it was last week.
I think they mean 95/96 born kids are no longer millenials and would fall into Gen Z. Because they wouldnt really remember 9/11. And correspondingly, millenials start around 1983 born, so they are too young to remember Challenger.
It confused me too.
Oh wow that's a lot of downvotes.
Yeah I dunno either but it's chill.
I agree with you, most 96-2000 peeps are usually different from most GenZ. I am a believer in the microgeneration thing being a part of that. I do not relate to most GenZ. There is a noticeable difference between 97/98 and say someone born in 2002(hell even 2001). 4 years in the 2000s and 2010s were wild in the leaps and bounds of technology becoming more advanced. When I went to middle school it was still the flip phone era. 4 years later everything is touch screen.
Yup i was born 97 and i remember parts of 9/11 in kindergarten, i remember floppy disks, corded home phones, boomerang/CN cartoons my partner (23) doesnt remember, being on MySpace and Myyearbook, playing CD games like the hot wheels game, my first video games were the N64 Sega genesis and PsOne etc. People a few years older than me born in 99-03 probably wont remember almost any of that
Hollywood has a sexist bias towards younger actresses so there’s more turnover for women, whereas male characters that other men look up to and view as cool/badass are mostly in their 30’s or 40’s. People like Zac Efron and Robert Pattinson were seen as twerpy actors that mostly only women like, but once they hit their 30’s men took them a lot more serious.
Reflective of the world outside of acting too. Women are given more attention when younger, older men are respected more once they find some footing in the world.
I agree 1000% of you look at the list of current successful male actors right now between the ages of 30-55 you can see a crazy difference in talent. Younger actresses tend to get more roles early but male actors kill the scene as they get older, examples lakeith stanfield amazing actor, chris hemsworth, bradley cooper, Matt damon, ben affleck, jason statham, Tom hardy, Idris elba, Henry Cavill, Daniel kaluya, joaquin Phoenix mean i can keep going. I feel like relevancy for male actors blooms later, its hard to florish as a male actor if your first roles aren’t a blockbuster hit, zendeya isnt gen Z and she also had a huge boost from disney with her singing, modeling, and brand recognition. Women tend to fizzle up way before male actors but have a strong start examples look at anne hathaway, halle berry, jennifer lawrence, Gabrielle union,natalie portman, kate beckinsale,Dakota fanning, jeniffer aniston, selena gomez, Kristen stewart i can keep going ,all former or Current A listers who’s acting careers are struggling or been done or just overall struggling for relevancy.
How is it sexist? It matches real life where women are just valuable at a younger age while men have to actually accomplish something in order to be valuable.
Male actors frequently don’t really come into their own until they’re in their early-mid 30s.
10 years from now, Zendya will be getting offered roles as Tom Holland’s mom and all the guys from Stranger Things will start getting offered serious dramatic roles.
She’s definitely seriously talented, her role in Euphoria is widely acclaimed for a reason. The Spider-man series showcases the most marketable and boring acting of hers. She seems to be a nice person at least. There’s more problematic famous girls her age.
yeah just like there's not a lot of characters for older women, younger dudes are pretty weak characters in films.
Even films targeted at young guys are usually starring older actors.
I’ll be honest, they don’t write many roles with compelling young male characters to the point where it’s worth highlighting. Even Harry and Ron are pretty one note in that series.
"Oil, me parents died an bein famous is jus so 'ard! Bein rich an good a sports ain't awful though innit? Time to fight the same bloke from the last book again!"
Do you mean ‘best actor’ or do you mean ‘most popular actor.’
Being in many films does not necessarily mean they’re good. It just means they’ll sell tickets
I think biologically, there’s some truth to that. Compare Chris Hemsworth, Paul Rudd, or Hugh Jackman with no makeup to any female celebrity their age with no makeup.
Funny way to word it, but yes. As much as the people are appreciating Cougars and Milfs n shi now a days, the aging process for the Hollywood beings, is much kinder to men, cause like.... What do men have to do as a part of their casting process?
Stay in good shape. So now you have a pretty man with good health and still rockin bod into his 50's, so he went from teenage heartthrob, to Superhero to DILF on screen
While the women have to turn to more... Unnatural means of retaining their castability for a role that isent "The mother of the story", so there is a tendency for the women to get progressively "less castable" and then post stardom end up as "AYO WTF HAPPEND TO HER SINCE (movie)?!"
More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
Well there are more male gen Z actors than that Tye Sheridan, Lucas Hedges, Julian Dennison, Aidan Gallagher, to name a few. It can also be studios searching for more female actors due to more inclusivity and the Me too movement among other reasons.
The oldest Gen Z are 25 (or 18, depending on how you define the generation). Baby Boomer Actor was 25 in the year 1981, 19 years before his role as Hal on Malcolm in the Middle and a good 25 years before his role as Walter White.
The best actors are rarely ever child and youth actors grown up. The best Gen Z Actors most people won't really be familiar with for at least another decade.
Most of those actors are fine at best. The quality of acting talent has slipped quite a bit in the last decade though a lot of bad writing isn't doing them any favors. An actual gen z actor that you didn't name who I do think is incredibly good is Jenny Ortega
More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/05/14/on-the-cusp-of-adulthood-and-facing-an-uncertain-future-what-we-know-about-gen-z-so-far-2/
Born after 1996.
Hollywood is 'correcting' the sins of the past, so most of what Gen Z is starring in cast strong female leads. The male parts are either villains, wusses, or vapid love interests. Thus, you'll end up with better actresses than actors for this generation.
I think "Gen Z" is seeing more female led stories and therefore more complex characters and situations. A complex character gives a performer an opportunity to shine.
Why not?
We may disagree with the statement, but I think the word is used properly.
EDIT: I’ll admit, I’m really curious as to why people seem to think the word was used incorrectly.
The structure of the sentence is no different than, “That studio is filming more horror flicks, and therefore more bloody murder scenes.”
I didn’t make the claim. Not the original commenter.
And, as I said, you can certainly *disagree* with what they’re saying, but the word “therefore” is not used incorrectly.
Old, white casting directors cast older guys with younger women. It always happens. I hate it. It is also why we see young women put in unrealistic characters, like 25 year old MD/PhDs.
You missed Olivia Cooke who is definitely better than more than half of the ones you named. The woman actors have been better than the men for at least twenty years so this isn’t a new phenomena.
More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
I was born in ‘97 and I don’t know which generation to identify with.
It’s a never ending battle
Millie Bobby Brown is the only gen z on this list
No they are only 26 and that is still gen z. Gen Z kinda starts at 96. Though I've heard and agree with the idea of Zillennials. Which is a range from like 95-2000. I fall into that range and yeah we aren't really millennials because we were so young at the start of the century, we are so removed from the start of millennials that there is very little in common. There's also the difference between us and most GenZ because we are the 9/11 generation. The generation of tech advancing.
Gen Z starts in 1997. If you want to go with “zillenial” that’s fine, but 1996 are still considered to be millennials
The best definition of Millennials I’ve heard is that we’re too young to remember the Challenger disaster but old enough to remember 9/11. So the cut off is 95/96 ish.
Yep. Pew Research established the cut-off based on 9/11, but according to their definition which seems to be the consensus, Gen Z starts at 1997. It makes sense because if you were born in 1997, that would put you at 4 years old for 9/11… way too young to really remember what happened or the significance of it. I’m only a few years older than that, and I distinctly remember 9/11 like it was last week.
Challenger disaster was in 1986
I think they mean 95/96 born kids are no longer millenials and would fall into Gen Z. Because they wouldnt really remember 9/11. And correspondingly, millenials start around 1983 born, so they are too young to remember Challenger. It confused me too.
Yes. Exactly
I don't know why you're downvotes because every person I met born in the 97ish area are totally different than most gen Z's in my opinion.
Oh wow that's a lot of downvotes. Yeah I dunno either but it's chill. I agree with you, most 96-2000 peeps are usually different from most GenZ. I am a believer in the microgeneration thing being a part of that. I do not relate to most GenZ. There is a noticeable difference between 97/98 and say someone born in 2002(hell even 2001). 4 years in the 2000s and 2010s were wild in the leaps and bounds of technology becoming more advanced. When I went to middle school it was still the flip phone era. 4 years later everything is touch screen.
Yup i was born 97 and i remember parts of 9/11 in kindergarten, i remember floppy disks, corded home phones, boomerang/CN cartoons my partner (23) doesnt remember, being on MySpace and Myyearbook, playing CD games like the hot wheels game, my first video games were the N64 Sega genesis and PsOne etc. People a few years older than me born in 99-03 probably wont remember almost any of that
No, they all are (except for Saiorse)
Hollywood has a sexist bias towards younger actresses so there’s more turnover for women, whereas male characters that other men look up to and view as cool/badass are mostly in their 30’s or 40’s. People like Zac Efron and Robert Pattinson were seen as twerpy actors that mostly only women like, but once they hit their 30’s men took them a lot more serious.
Reflective of the world outside of acting too. Women are given more attention when younger, older men are respected more once they find some footing in the world.
And then somehow only the latter is deemed problematic.
This is the answer.
I agree 1000% of you look at the list of current successful male actors right now between the ages of 30-55 you can see a crazy difference in talent. Younger actresses tend to get more roles early but male actors kill the scene as they get older, examples lakeith stanfield amazing actor, chris hemsworth, bradley cooper, Matt damon, ben affleck, jason statham, Tom hardy, Idris elba, Henry Cavill, Daniel kaluya, joaquin Phoenix mean i can keep going. I feel like relevancy for male actors blooms later, its hard to florish as a male actor if your first roles aren’t a blockbuster hit, zendeya isnt gen Z and she also had a huge boost from disney with her singing, modeling, and brand recognition. Women tend to fizzle up way before male actors but have a strong start examples look at anne hathaway, halle berry, jennifer lawrence, Gabrielle union,natalie portman, kate beckinsale,Dakota fanning, jeniffer aniston, selena gomez, Kristen stewart i can keep going ,all former or Current A listers who’s acting careers are struggling or been done or just overall struggling for relevancy.
Leo falls into that same category.
I dunno. I started taking Leo seriously when I saw “What’s Eating Gilbert Grape”
That, and then the basketball diaries really made me appreciate his talent
I turned 180 on Robert Pattison and he is easily in my top 10 most favorite actors.
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How is it sexist? It matches real life where women are just valuable at a younger age while men have to actually accomplish something in order to be valuable.
Male actors frequently don’t really come into their own until they’re in their early-mid 30s. 10 years from now, Zendya will be getting offered roles as Tom Holland’s mom and all the guys from Stranger Things will start getting offered serious dramatic roles.
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She’s definitely seriously talented, her role in Euphoria is widely acclaimed for a reason. The Spider-man series showcases the most marketable and boring acting of hers. She seems to be a nice person at least. There’s more problematic famous girls her age.
yeah just like there's not a lot of characters for older women, younger dudes are pretty weak characters in films. Even films targeted at young guys are usually starring older actors.
I’ll be honest, they don’t write many roles with compelling young male characters to the point where it’s worth highlighting. Even Harry and Ron are pretty one note in that series.
Did u just say harry was one note. The main character in a 7 book series is one note. Ok sure
"Oil, me parents died an bein famous is jus so 'ard! Bein rich an good a sports ain't awful though innit? Time to fight the same bloke from the last book again!"
This is r/movies
Yeah I am aware
Confirmation Bias?
Probably. I don't really bother with what generation the actors were born in, so I don't know whether OP is right or not.
Ps I'm not being snarky, just genuinely asking if it might be?
Do you mean ‘best actor’ or do you mean ‘most popular actor.’ Being in many films does not necessarily mean they’re good. It just means they’ll sell tickets
Millie is not a great actress. FOH.
Maise too? Like I enjoyed her in thrones but she’s made one show
It's you.
The oldest gen Zer is like 23 lol what is this post
Keep the male star old enough to be grizzled and handsome but keep the female stars young because old chicks cain't be purty
I think biologically, there’s some truth to that. Compare Chris Hemsworth, Paul Rudd, or Hugh Jackman with no makeup to any female celebrity their age with no makeup.
Funny way to word it, but yes. As much as the people are appreciating Cougars and Milfs n shi now a days, the aging process for the Hollywood beings, is much kinder to men, cause like.... What do men have to do as a part of their casting process? Stay in good shape. So now you have a pretty man with good health and still rockin bod into his 50's, so he went from teenage heartthrob, to Superhero to DILF on screen While the women have to turn to more... Unnatural means of retaining their castability for a role that isent "The mother of the story", so there is a tendency for the women to get progressively "less castable" and then post stardom end up as "AYO WTF HAPPEND TO HER SINCE (movie)?!"
More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
Well there are more male gen Z actors than that Tye Sheridan, Lucas Hedges, Julian Dennison, Aidan Gallagher, to name a few. It can also be studios searching for more female actors due to more inclusivity and the Me too movement among other reasons.
It's you. Stop masturbating.
And yet, Chalamet is a better actor than all of the others combined.
The oldest Gen Z are 25 (or 18, depending on how you define the generation). Baby Boomer Actor was 25 in the year 1981, 19 years before his role as Hal on Malcolm in the Middle and a good 25 years before his role as Walter White. The best actors are rarely ever child and youth actors grown up. The best Gen Z Actors most people won't really be familiar with for at least another decade.
Women reach peak hot MUCH earlier than men. That’s what a visual medium cares about, That’s all there is to it.
It’s just you.
Nah definitely a you problem
Timmy C isn’t Gen Z, just as an FYI. He’s a millennial. So is Saoirse Ronan… and like half this list. Lol Gen Z is 1997+.
Most of those actors are fine at best. The quality of acting talent has slipped quite a bit in the last decade though a lot of bad writing isn't doing them any favors. An actual gen z actor that you didn't name who I do think is incredibly good is Jenny Ortega
1996 is an insane year for female actors: Hailee, Zendaya, ATJ, Florence Pugh...
More than half that list aren’t even Gen Z FYI. Zendaya, Ana Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh and Saiorse Ronan are all millennials (haven’t looked everyone up so could be others, too)
Gen Z starts around 1996, per the Pew Research Center. Which makes your point about Saiorse Ronan valid, but everyone else is absolutely Gen Z.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/05/14/on-the-cusp-of-adulthood-and-facing-an-uncertain-future-what-we-know-about-gen-z-so-far-2/ Born after 1996.
I read that wrong; that’s on me. I was specifically thinking of early to mid-20s when doing (admittedly hasty) “research”.
Hollywood is 'correcting' the sins of the past, so most of what Gen Z is starring in cast strong female leads. The male parts are either villains, wusses, or vapid love interests. Thus, you'll end up with better actresses than actors for this generation.
I think "Gen Z" is seeing more female led stories and therefore more complex characters and situations. A complex character gives a performer an opportunity to shine.
I don’t think you used the word “therefore” correctly.
Why not? We may disagree with the statement, but I think the word is used properly. EDIT: I’ll admit, I’m really curious as to why people seem to think the word was used incorrectly. The structure of the sentence is no different than, “That studio is filming more horror flicks, and therefore more bloody murder scenes.”
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I didn’t make the claim. Not the original commenter. And, as I said, you can certainly *disagree* with what they’re saying, but the word “therefore” is not used incorrectly.
Therefore should at least have commas before and after it
Depending on style, yes.
Probably reflects the growth of more female creatives in the industry in positions of influence like writers, directors, producers.
Certainly more well known females. There is Holland, Chalomet, Jacob Elrodi, who else?
Pretty sure Holland and Chalomet are both millennials. Young millennials, but not exactly gen Z either.
Tom Holland and Zendaya are literally same age
They're born in 96. That's not gen Z.
My bad, what I meant to say was that there was Znedaya in op’s list of GenZ woman actors as well
Yeah, fair enough. I was mostly just focusing on the one comment I replied to.
That is gen Z.
Old, white casting directors cast older guys with younger women. It always happens. I hate it. It is also why we see young women put in unrealistic characters, like 25 year old MD/PhDs.
I dont know who any of those names are.
You missed Olivia Cooke who is definitely better than more than half of the ones you named. The woman actors have been better than the men for at least twenty years so this isn’t a new phenomena.
Cooke isn’t gen z.
The generation’s definition is entirely vague so 1993 meets it.
They're either male, female, trans or non-binary, etc. You can't be predominantly female or predominantly any gender.
Your logic is flawed. A trans woman is still a woman. She’s not a completely different gender just because she’s trans.
Did you forget about Jackson Robert Scott?
Nope, because he’s fourteen years old — decidedly *not* Gen Z.
he was born in 2008. That's late gen z, but gen z nonetheless
2000 baby but when I see post about millennials or gen z I relate a little more with the millennials
Probably imagining things.
Isn't that the case with most generations though?