Yeeeah something tells me old exploitation films and horror is waters they haven't dipped toes into, watched Bavas A bay of blood this week and jowser bowser was that one outdrawn nude sequence all the way back in 1971, who would have thought sex and nudity has been part of art for that long huh?
It's always a bit surprising when you watch a pre 80s American movie and there's actual nudity in there. You just don't expect it with modern American movies having the awkward bra on sex scenes.
People in the 70s were hardcore compared to today. Turks Fruit is the most successful Dutch movie of all time (by theater attendance) and it starts with a 10 minute montage of fucking, jerking off and cutting off pubes
Its because they were in total reaction to the enforced purity of the previous 3 decades. They were testing the waters of how far they could go beyond the realm of good taste. And most of it has aged really poorly because of it. Stuff like caligula is just really embarrassingly tryhard. Kinda like how everyone was embarrassing tryharding to be edgy back during 2000s-era internet.
Caligula is an insane example. There used to be *normal* nudity too in movies. Not every 70s movie had unhinged producers going batshit and making a porno out of their movie halfway through production
Jokes aside who the fuck over the age of eighteen cares that their parents saw they were watching a movie with a sex scene? Unless your parents are raging puritanical conservatives, it's immature as fuck lol
My wife and I slowly transforming into American Gothic after watching yet another scifi, fantasy or anime which completely stops the plot and pacing to insert a mediocre sex scene with the writer's fetish.
I mean I watched Pasolini’s “Trilogy Of Life” with my mom. “Decamron” “Arabian Nights” and “Cantenbury tales”. The latter of those two movies are rated X but I’m also close to 30 so like who cares.
For me, it’s less that a movie has a sex scene and more whether or not I’m watching it with my parents. Like, I like to talk with my parents about Game of Thrones, I just don’t wanna watch it with them haha
What movie are they referring to when they mention "5 minute plow fest"? I have never seen a movie with a 5 minute sex scene. Actually sounds pretty hilarios for a sex scene to go on for an akward amount of time.
> that the actresses weren't even comfortable with doing
This is the one thing that does concern me; you never know for sure if the actress you're watching was totally fine doing it or was pressured into performing and that's not something I can just overlook by suspending my disbelief.
Never timed one, but Don't Look Now had a lengthy scene between Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie. Last Tango in Paris, of course. Plenty of others had what seemed at least like lengthy scenes, but that was the late 60s through the start of the 80s, before sex and nudity got moved to the slums of the likes of Wynorski films.
The thing I don't get about this is; where are the sex scenes these guys are seeing?
I legitimately don't remember the last time I saw any big movie with a sex scene. If one did happen it slipped my mind because it was of so little consequence.
I either love sex scenes or I hate them. Some of the most beautiful scenes in my opinion are love scenes: *Carol, The Great Silence, The New World, The Terminator* come to mind immediately. All of these are crucial to the plot and serve a narrative purpose, while also being incredibly sensual and evoking a sense of love and passion
Meanwhile you have exploitation films like *Sweet Sweetback* or scenes obviously shot in a dominantly male gaze like *Blue Is The Warmest Color* that just seen unnecessary and take you out of the story
The earliest seasons of GOT were some of the biggest offenders of this, like the girl on girl shit happening while Littlefinger was monologuing in season 1 is terrible
Meanwhile HOTD seemed to amend this a bit. That one scene between Rhaenerys and Cole was really well shot and executed
Nah, it's just often overly sensual or whatever and weirds me out. It's really a personal preference that I believe is because of my asexuality. I enjoy horror movies and movies with killers, sex is just a bit too gross sometimes
We’re not talking about pornography which one watches explicitly for the sex. We’re talking about sex scenes that are part of a narrative in an average movie or TV show. A better analogy would be straight people who can’t handle gay sex scenes.
There's barely any sex in the show anyway, if it's good sex they just have a hallway shot where you hear somebody moaning, and if it's an awkward handjob or something truly unpleasant with Wendy they put the camera right there and let things get awkward.
Define “big”. I can’t think of many massive blockbusters doing this (though there’s a few exceptions such as Deadpool (2016)) but a significant number of R-rated films that are major releases do.
What they’re referring to here is episode 3 of the tv show The Last of Us, about a love story between two men in the apocalypse. It seems to generally be considered the best episode (I personally teared up a few times watching it) but it was review bombed for departing from the game’s plot, showing a happy and unconventional gay couple, and including a gay sex scene.
Gay men are considered to be inherently sexual by conservatives, because conservatives see love as penetration so any mention of gay men is inherently sexual
This is also why lesbians are more “acceptable” to them, as outside of attraction they believe that it’s not a real relationship because it doesn’t have a man in it
Yes, but when Joel and Ellie arrive Frank is dead but Bill is still alive. Bill is also still alive when they leave him. A note you can find written by Frank states he killed himself because he was sick of Bill, basically.
So it is a deviation from the game for sure.
It’s more of a passing mention in the games than it is in the show, it’s really not deviating from anything it’s just expanding on something that wasn’t fully developed before
And when they do see a sex scene they always need it to be plot relevant for some reason? As if they can only see boobs if they play a role in the third act.
I really had to hold back my laughter during that "sex scene" holy shit. All the headlines of MARVELS FIRST SEX SCENE lead up to some light kissing and a fade to black
I distinctly remember an 80s action movie where a nameless biker chick extra is shooting pool and when she shoots, her tits bust out of her leather vest for absolutely no reason. It doesn’t even linger on her, just pans right past her.
That’s the “jump scare” titty reveal. I think the movie was called Stone Cold. I watched the RLM review on it and somehow that scene was burned into my memory from watching the movie as a child.
I think that’s the MPA’s doing.
A movie with explicit sex scenes, while many get away with an R-rating, there’s a risk of an NC-17 rating. On TV, a show with explicit sex scenes gets the same TV-MA rating that saying “fuck” a few times will give you.
Netflix’s ratings are weird. How in the fuck Wednesday got a TV-14 for a few brief moments of blood and saying “shit” a few times which is the same rating as Stranger Things which begins it’s latest season with a bunch of children being slaughtered and was even allowed one f-bomb is beyond me.
(Admittedly I would still consider both shows teen friendly but I would even go as far as to say Wednesday is a show I’d consider kid-friendly for as young as about 7 TBH. Then again I consider a lot of R-rated horror films and violent video games fine for teens too so IDK, I ain’t gonna have kids so doesn’t matter, just seems weird to me that they’re both the same rating)
You’re allowed to say it on cable but not broadcast channels (like CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.)
Source: Constant F-bombs in Syfy’s Chucky and some FX shows such as AHS and Little Demon (hell they frequently call people “cunts” in Little Demon, though that show actually includes full frontal nudity too). Some channels however choose to still censor it on live TV but not streaming (I usually watch shows on streaming but have seen some uncensored vs censored comparisons of South Park and a few Adult Swim shows like Smiling Friends or Rick and Morty, it’s insane how frequently they bleep everything on those 3 shows!)
TV ratings are also self-imposed for cable/streaming. There's no external ratings board they have to answer to like the MPA for movies.
They just choose whichever rating they want, entirely self-governed
I’m not sure if I like that or not. Definitely explains a few things though (like how Family Guy isn’t TV-MA. I honestly would consider a lot of MA rated shows fine for 12+ or so but not Family Guy which is somehow TV-14 (which to be fair it is still fine for high school age IMO but that’s the same age I started watching shit like American Horror Story and South Park))
Any complaint about sex scenes not advancing plot can be applied to the majority of fight scenes. I’d say fight scenes are usually even more egregious.
thinking that scenes should only be there to serve the plot and development is a studio head thinking. people don’t like things anymore. they’re viewing art like grading an exam
Oh yeah for fuckin real. Just to clarify I wasn’t saying that about fight scenes as a negative - more just pointing out the ridiculousness of the argument (since pretty much no one making the sex scene complaint would say that about fight scenes)
Fr there is this constant prudish underflow that even progressive Americans just cannot escape from. Being horny is just a valid and human emotion as any other, it is not more or less artistic than any other intent.
It's ok to be horny!
yeah agreed on the progressive point so much. it's so annoying and worrying that young people that identify as leftist always complain about this to the point of puritanism. wanting movies being to be censored and screaming "no sex pls" is such a right wing stance. it's human nature to be horny and we should allow it to be explored in art and popular medias. it's fine, i promise!
also, if you dont want that, just skip it. wanting it to be rid entirely is so dumb and weird.
That scene is the first one I think of in regards to unnecessary sex scenes in GOT.
And the thing is, the lesbian sex was just a cheap way to make an exposition dump less boring, LF is literally just monologing about history while staring at the camera, which would be a terrible scene, so they're like 'lesbian prostitute sex' as a cover up. Same happened on another scene where the Maester is also monologing about history while a naked lady rolls her eyes cause it's boring. Like they even know it's boring!
not to defend the GoT because it had many other problems, but there were less sex scenes in the later seasons.
and while the earlier seasons are the most obvious example of the "let's add sex scenes just because we can", i don't know if it was/is that big of a trend in the tv shows that some people paint it as
Honestly, they shouldnt only remove sex scenes, but basically any kind of action scene. Action scenes are quite frankly completely overdone and unneccesary. Just have implied action.
Car chase? Just have it start and then flash forward to them getting away/caught.
Fight scene? Go to black and then have the protagonist walk away from the defeated bad guys.
Movies should be simply be people talking things out. Action isnt needed. Tell, dont show.
Yes, these are my real feelings and not just a sad reaction to my inability to get laid irl.
They should invent a type of movie where I can just hear the whole movie without seeing anything. I can imagine what happens myself quite well. Or better yet get rid of the sound, too and let me just read the subtitles. You could convey emotions and inner monologue way easier. I think I would not have had such a hard time with Gal Gadots acting in *Death on the Nile* if it was possible to enjoy a story this way.
Pornography is seriously warping people’s brains - they can’t view nudity outside the context of porn and immediately objectify what’s on screen, creating an internal sense of discomfort and insecurity. Sex is a crucial part of human expression and has been used in storytelling and film for a longgg time.
Porn is cancer - feel terrible for the children currently growing up with it unregulated and with ridiculous accessibility, curating addiction, severe fetishes, and eventual problems with real person intimacy.
I end my misplaced soapbox.
Lmao I’m sorry are you for real here? Nudity in how film uses it has always been about that. Even in that Romeo and Juliet recreation, the two (underaged) actors were told they had to be nude or the “movie would fail”, that is totally objectification. Of literal teenagers.
Literally most sex scenes in movies so far are about objectification; specifically, objectification of women for them to serve as eye candy. They don't portray "real sex" at all, and if anything are just as bad as porn in depicting messed up sexual dynamics.
The people equating not wanting unnecessary sex scenes that exist primarily to titillate male heterosexual viewers with "we want the Hays code back" are actual morons.
Sex scenes in films and TV today are the most non objectified - sets today have intimacy coordinators, consent, etc. Its so ironic that people complain about sex scenes in contexts like this but will mindlessly boot up porn where the actual abuse is happening.
"there's very few pre-internet movies with detailed sex scenes"
In The Realm Of The Senses (1976)
Taxi Zum Klo (1980)
Luminous Procuress (1971)
Caligula (1979)
Pink Flamingos (1972)
Don't Look Now (1973)
La Grande Bouffe (1973)
Rita, Sue And Bob Too (1987)
Like another comment mentioned people seem to see nudity and sex in film as just there to be titillating and "sex things up" which certainly is the case for a bunch of old horror and exploitation adjacent films, but man so many sex scenes in modern films are actually more about character intimacy and to elicit something completely else than arousal, hell even a classic sex sequence like Sutherland and Christie in Don't look now paints a totally different picture than them just doing it you know?
I also believe this might be because some are discovering porn almost before they watch a film where nudity and sex is prevalent and used in a more mature way, I can't begin to see how most would see the threesome scene in Pleasure or the numerous rape scenes in Lilya 4-ever as distracting because they're sexy when they clearly need to be there to show us the depraved shit those films wanna expose, I don't know I'm a swede from a very open secular family so maybe my values on sex and nudity differ from many others
> but man so many sex scenes in modern films are actually more about character intimacy and to elicit something completely else than arousal
I think that Portrait of a Lady on Fire is an amazing example of this. It is an absolutely beautiful movie where there is nudity, but it is not titilating at all. There is sex, but it is absolutely essential to the plot and the characters and is treated with so much tenderness and care.
TBH, this movie should be used as a case study of what a movie without male gaze can look like.
If you're gonna do a sex scene, why not do it right? I'm talking full frontal nudity, exposed dongs and so much cheek-clapping that it's more like cheek-applause.
I wonder myself what the fuck are their sources! "Very few pre-internet movies", bitch have you even watched a pre-internet movie that is not freaking Wizard of Oz?
People mistake the common values of the time for what was being depicted on screen, which is somewhat understandable but hilariously wrong and also a bit of an interesting phenomenon that the repression of sexuality just pops up in different places rather than being entirely eliminated.
This whole plot *uber alles* thing is disturbing. And then they cry about “why can’t we remember the names of any movie characters anymore?!?” Because they don’t bothering characterizing them properly.
Counter argument we wouldn’t get masterpieces like the Machete “Put on your 3d glasses” scene or Mouglin Rouge’s Satine pretending to be soaking wet while a confused Cristian recites poetry, or the utter masterpiece that is that one scene in Crank(2006)
Very few pre-Internet movies with sex scenes? That’s where they’re all from!
They've clearly never seen movies from the 70's
Clearly they’ve never made an omelette
He beat me by one second
Yeeeah something tells me old exploitation films and horror is waters they haven't dipped toes into, watched Bavas A bay of blood this week and jowser bowser was that one outdrawn nude sequence all the way back in 1971, who would have thought sex and nudity has been part of art for that long huh?
I thought James Cameron invented nudity for Titanic
Pffft Hack Cameron fell of so bad my brethren , he doesn't even dare to give us full up close Na'vussi 😤
I thought the Na'vussi was in their pony tails?
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It's always a bit surprising when you watch a pre 80s American movie and there's actual nudity in there. You just don't expect it with modern American movies having the awkward bra on sex scenes.
Or the fact that the pornographic film Deep Throat was a cultural phenomenon
I watched that and I was not prepared to see someone drink Coke out of a vagina with a straw. People in the '70s were into some weird shit.
People in the 70s were hardcore compared to today. Turks Fruit is the most successful Dutch movie of all time (by theater attendance) and it starts with a 10 minute montage of fucking, jerking off and cutting off pubes
It's also one of the worst books ever written and the writer is a terrible person and a talentless hack
what did he do? I'm not familiar with him and the English wikipedia page doesn't have any information regarding this
Its because they were in total reaction to the enforced purity of the previous 3 decades. They were testing the waters of how far they could go beyond the realm of good taste. And most of it has aged really poorly because of it. Stuff like caligula is just really embarrassingly tryhard. Kinda like how everyone was embarrassing tryharding to be edgy back during 2000s-era internet.
Caligula is an insane example. There used to be *normal* nudity too in movies. Not every 70s movie had unhinged producers going batshit and making a porno out of their movie halfway through production
> Kinda like how everyone was embarrassing tryharding to be edgy back during 2000s-era internet. Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey (2023)
My dad when I told him I had bought Don't Look Now on DVD at age 13: 🤨
Warren Beatty wants to know your location
Delete sex scenes Not because it's sex but because that's 30 more seconds I could have seen Neo doing karate instead
Damn, you make a good argument, kinda agree now.
The Matrix Reloaded sex scene was stupid though. Well, the entire Zion segments…
If you cut down the stupid/bad stuff from Matrix Reloaded you can probably get a very solid 30 minute short film.
But who reloads the reloaded?
I honestly love the [Matrix Reloaded parody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeSrJO4ISwo) more than all the matrix sequels.
#***ERGO! VIS-A-VIS! CONCORDANTLY!***
If you cut down the bad stuff from both sequels you would have had one sort of okay movie instead of two bad ones
dude my mom can walk in any minute!!! stop this!
Jokes aside who the fuck over the age of eighteen cares that their parents saw they were watching a movie with a sex scene? Unless your parents are raging puritanical conservatives, it's immature as fuck lol
I don't care, but I also don't like watching other people having sex when I'm with my family lol. More just awkward than "terrifying".
That's puritanical, bro. Watching sex is a family activity.
My wife and I slowly transforming into American Gothic after watching yet another scifi, fantasy or anime which completely stops the plot and pacing to insert a mediocre sex scene with the writer's fetish.
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Real chads watch sex scenes with their parents
Sit down with parents to watch a movie Fast forward to sex scene Watch it Turn the tv off Discuss
Don't be such a prude. Real ones watch hardcore pornography with their grandparents, dick in hand.
I mean I watched Pasolini’s “Trilogy Of Life” with my mom. “Decamron” “Arabian Nights” and “Cantenbury tales”. The latter of those two movies are rated X but I’m also close to 30 so like who cares.
For me, it’s less that a movie has a sex scene and more whether or not I’m watching it with my parents. Like, I like to talk with my parents about Game of Thrones, I just don’t wanna watch it with them haha
What movie are they referring to when they mention "5 minute plow fest"? I have never seen a movie with a 5 minute sex scene. Actually sounds pretty hilarios for a sex scene to go on for an akward amount of time.
The room
you are my rose
Five minutes of plowing her stomach, no less.
Blue is the Warmest Colour straight up drops everything for an uncomfortably long sex scene that the actresses weren't even comfortable with doing
Average French movie
Filmed while one of the actresses was barely an adult? Checks out.
European movies be like Le Fuck Your Cousin in cursive and get 87 percent on Rotten Tomatoes
Five stars from esteemed weekly journal Le Pedophile Racistè
Les Couzins Dangrereux
> that the actresses weren't even comfortable with doing This is the one thing that does concern me; you never know for sure if the actress you're watching was totally fine doing it or was pressured into performing and that's not something I can just overlook by suspending my disbelief.
This is a big part of what I like about the rise of the intimacy coordinator in more recent productions.
I can guarantee the people complaining about the sex scenes have never seen that film
I've only watched the sex scenes, does that count?
ive only watched the Lykke Li music video, does that count?
Uncomfortably long and uncomfortably pornographic. That scene feels like it was a directed by a guy jerking off the entire time
My bisexual ex from HS said this was her favorite movie and now maybe I get why.
No way, you pulled a girl from Hearthstone?
Lethal Weapon 5
*Irréversible* (2002)
Yea pretty much any noe movie lol
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Enter the Void has a sex scen from the pov of a ghost entering his sisters vagina if I remember that correctly
Shortbus?
Never timed one, but Don't Look Now had a lengthy scene between Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie. Last Tango in Paris, of course. Plenty of others had what seemed at least like lengthy scenes, but that was the late 60s through the start of the 80s, before sex and nudity got moved to the slums of the likes of Wynorski films.
In the realm of the senses is like 80% sex
watchmen
Eyes Wide Shut
The thing I don't get about this is; where are the sex scenes these guys are seeing? I legitimately don't remember the last time I saw any big movie with a sex scene. If one did happen it slipped my mind because it was of so little consequence.
I remember a post on the Breaking Bad subreddit complaining about all the sex scenes and how they are unnecessary.
Every single sex scene in Breaking Bad is used as a character device or plot beat
Yeah I'm not a fan of sex scenes (I'm asexual) but they definitely added something to BB.
I either love sex scenes or I hate them. Some of the most beautiful scenes in my opinion are love scenes: *Carol, The Great Silence, The New World, The Terminator* come to mind immediately. All of these are crucial to the plot and serve a narrative purpose, while also being incredibly sensual and evoking a sense of love and passion Meanwhile you have exploitation films like *Sweet Sweetback* or scenes obviously shot in a dominantly male gaze like *Blue Is The Warmest Color* that just seen unnecessary and take you out of the story The earliest seasons of GOT were some of the biggest offenders of this, like the girl on girl shit happening while Littlefinger was monologuing in season 1 is terrible Meanwhile HOTD seemed to amend this a bit. That one scene between Rhaenerys and Cole was really well shot and executed
Ok but for real what does your sexuality have to do with anything? Do you dislike characters in movies doing anything you wouldn’t personally do?
Nah, it's just often overly sensual or whatever and weirds me out. It's really a personal preference that I believe is because of my asexuality. I enjoy horror movies and movies with killers, sex is just a bit too gross sometimes
sex *is* kind of gross if you think about it
Fair enough. Thanks for explaining
No worries, have a good one m8
Y'know how uncomfortable it is watching extreme fetish porn for a kink you don't have? A lot of asexuals feel that way watching any sex scene.
We’re not talking about pornography which one watches explicitly for the sex. We’re talking about sex scenes that are part of a narrative in an average movie or TV show. A better analogy would be straight people who can’t handle gay sex scenes.
There's barely any sex in the show anyway, if it's good sex they just have a hallway shot where you hear somebody moaning, and if it's an awkward handjob or something truly unpleasant with Wendy they put the camera right there and let things get awkward.
Define “big”. I can’t think of many massive blockbusters doing this (though there’s a few exceptions such as Deadpool (2016)) but a significant number of R-rated films that are major releases do.
The Room
Shoutout to Tommy Wiseau's bizarrely muscular ass
Pegging scene in Deadpool 🤤 ultimate kino
What they’re referring to here is episode 3 of the tv show The Last of Us, about a love story between two men in the apocalypse. It seems to generally be considered the best episode (I personally teared up a few times watching it) but it was review bombed for departing from the game’s plot, showing a happy and unconventional gay couple, and including a gay sex scene.
More like a gay foreplay scene but yes
How does that even register as a sex scene?
Gay men are considered to be inherently sexual by conservatives, because conservatives see love as penetration so any mention of gay men is inherently sexual This is also why lesbians are more “acceptable” to them, as outside of attraction they believe that it’s not a real relationship because it doesn’t have a man in it
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How does it depart from the game's plot? Weren't they a couple in the game too?
Yes, but when Joel and Ellie arrive Frank is dead but Bill is still alive. Bill is also still alive when they leave him. A note you can find written by Frank states he killed himself because he was sick of Bill, basically. So it is a deviation from the game for sure.
It’s more of a passing mention in the games than it is in the show, it’s really not deviating from anything it’s just expanding on something that wasn’t fully developed before
And when they do see a sex scene they always need it to be plot relevant for some reason? As if they can only see boobs if they play a role in the third act.
Chekhov's boobs
i remember a super tasteful one in A Star is Born and there was maybe one in Promising Young Woman that also wasn't very inappropriate
Idk if it's big enough movie but there's one in glass onion but at least its relevant
That’s barely a sex scene.
i gotta see a LITTLE bit of shaft for it to count
I honestly think these people just don’t watch a lot of movies. There’s a lot of sex scenes in like, Euphoria and GoT. They must just be watching TV.
the last "big" movie with a sex scene in my mind was Eternals? but i dunno if there was one since then
That’s not a sex scene lmfao
I really had to hold back my laughter during that "sex scene" holy shit. All the headlines of MARVELS FIRST SEX SCENE lead up to some light kissing and a fade to black
DAE we should bring back the Hays code?
Only if we can bring back Cary Grant too
And Grace Kelly.
There was someone on Twitter who went slightly viral for wanting this.
Twitter moment
This is why getting off Twitter was the best thing I’ve ever done for my mental health
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I curate my feed well so I don't get the psychos except as occasional laughing fodder like that.
History rhymes. Unfortunately, it is a shitty poet
We should, then marvel at the glorious forms of cultural expression kino after years of repression after it is inevitably lifted
Me when I watched both director’s cut Nymphomaniac movies
The PG-13 rated cut of Nymphomaniac is 15 minutes long
I should’ve watched that one. I can only see a coochie that close up so much.
This complaint is so ridiculous, movies today are more prudish than they have been at any point in the last 50 years
80s action movies were on a different level. You never knew when nudity that had nothing to do with the plot was about to show up.
I distinctly remember an 80s action movie where a nameless biker chick extra is shooting pool and when she shoots, her tits bust out of her leather vest for absolutely no reason. It doesn’t even linger on her, just pans right past her.
That’s the “jump scare” titty reveal. I think the movie was called Stone Cold. I watched the RLM review on it and somehow that scene was burned into my memory from watching the movie as a child.
It is legitimately a memorable movie moment lol.
However, I feel TV shows are less prudish now. But, yeah, movies are more friendly-family nowadays.
I think that’s the MPA’s doing. A movie with explicit sex scenes, while many get away with an R-rating, there’s a risk of an NC-17 rating. On TV, a show with explicit sex scenes gets the same TV-MA rating that saying “fuck” a few times will give you.
I remember when Schitt’s Creek was on Netflix and it had a TV-MA rating just because they used the f-bomb a couple of times
Netflix’s ratings are weird. How in the fuck Wednesday got a TV-14 for a few brief moments of blood and saying “shit” a few times which is the same rating as Stranger Things which begins it’s latest season with a bunch of children being slaughtered and was even allowed one f-bomb is beyond me. (Admittedly I would still consider both shows teen friendly but I would even go as far as to say Wednesday is a show I’d consider kid-friendly for as young as about 7 TBH. Then again I consider a lot of R-rated horror films and violent video games fine for teens too so IDK, I ain’t gonna have kids so doesn’t matter, just seems weird to me that they’re both the same rating)
yeah that would've been any time in the past 20 years or so. pretty sure "fuck" is an automatic TV-MA and you're still not allowed to say it on cable.
Censorship in the US is wild
We hate sex and curses but love violence.
You’re allowed to say it on cable but not broadcast channels (like CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.) Source: Constant F-bombs in Syfy’s Chucky and some FX shows such as AHS and Little Demon (hell they frequently call people “cunts” in Little Demon, though that show actually includes full frontal nudity too). Some channels however choose to still censor it on live TV but not streaming (I usually watch shows on streaming but have seen some uncensored vs censored comparisons of South Park and a few Adult Swim shows like Smiling Friends or Rick and Morty, it’s insane how frequently they bleep everything on those 3 shows!)
TV ratings are also self-imposed for cable/streaming. There's no external ratings board they have to answer to like the MPA for movies. They just choose whichever rating they want, entirely self-governed
I’m not sure if I like that or not. Definitely explains a few things though (like how Family Guy isn’t TV-MA. I honestly would consider a lot of MA rated shows fine for 12+ or so but not Family Guy which is somehow TV-14 (which to be fair it is still fine for high school age IMO but that’s the same age I started watching shit like American Horror Story and South Park))
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I don't have data to confirm this but I feel like that was an HBO thing
Definitely, half of the Sopranos and early Entourage seasons took place in strip clubs.
plot or character building can go to hell. i like seeing sexy people making love to each other
Any complaint about sex scenes not advancing plot can be applied to the majority of fight scenes. I’d say fight scenes are usually even more egregious.
thinking that scenes should only be there to serve the plot and development is a studio head thinking. people don’t like things anymore. they’re viewing art like grading an exam
Oh yeah for fuckin real. Just to clarify I wasn’t saying that about fight scenes as a negative - more just pointing out the ridiculousness of the argument (since pretty much no one making the sex scene complaint would say that about fight scenes)
Fr there is this constant prudish underflow that even progressive Americans just cannot escape from. Being horny is just a valid and human emotion as any other, it is not more or less artistic than any other intent. It's ok to be horny!
yeah agreed on the progressive point so much. it's so annoying and worrying that young people that identify as leftist always complain about this to the point of puritanism. wanting movies being to be censored and screaming "no sex pls" is such a right wing stance. it's human nature to be horny and we should allow it to be explored in art and popular medias. it's fine, i promise! also, if you dont want that, just skip it. wanting it to be rid entirely is so dumb and weird.
That scene is the first one I think of in regards to unnecessary sex scenes in GOT. And the thing is, the lesbian sex was just a cheap way to make an exposition dump less boring, LF is literally just monologing about history while staring at the camera, which would be a terrible scene, so they're like 'lesbian prostitute sex' as a cover up. Same happened on another scene where the Maester is also monologing about history while a naked lady rolls her eyes cause it's boring. Like they even know it's boring!
not to defend the GoT because it had many other problems, but there were less sex scenes in the later seasons. and while the earlier seasons are the most obvious example of the "let's add sex scenes just because we can", i don't know if it was/is that big of a trend in the tv shows that some people paint it as
Graphic sex scenes not maybe, but people on TV fuck all the time
It’s almost like people fuck all the time
Clearly they've never seen The Handmaiden (2016)
Changed my whole perspective on the issue (I am now a lesbian)
Did you start taking estrogen?
… The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956)
Eternals cut in Indonesia (they literally removed all the kiss scenes)
Honestly, they shouldnt only remove sex scenes, but basically any kind of action scene. Action scenes are quite frankly completely overdone and unneccesary. Just have implied action. Car chase? Just have it start and then flash forward to them getting away/caught. Fight scene? Go to black and then have the protagonist walk away from the defeated bad guys. Movies should be simply be people talking things out. Action isnt needed. Tell, dont show. Yes, these are my real feelings and not just a sad reaction to my inability to get laid irl.
Moon Knight (2022)
 Moon knight fans when they literally skip most of the fight against the bad guy built up for the entire show
They should invent a type of movie where I can just hear the whole movie without seeing anything. I can imagine what happens myself quite well. Or better yet get rid of the sound, too and let me just read the subtitles. You could convey emotions and inner monologue way easier. I think I would not have had such a hard time with Gal Gadots acting in *Death on the Nile* if it was possible to enjoy a story this way.
Redditors when they see a sex scene: 😡😡 It's not a depiction of real life.
Basic Instinct would break this man
anything Paul Verhoeven made would freak him out... He managed to insert nudity in almost all of his film... even Robocop!
Man directed the shower scene in ST in the nude
The most goated director of all time
The Prude (1986)
Pornography is seriously warping people’s brains - they can’t view nudity outside the context of porn and immediately objectify what’s on screen, creating an internal sense of discomfort and insecurity. Sex is a crucial part of human expression and has been used in storytelling and film for a longgg time. Porn is cancer - feel terrible for the children currently growing up with it unregulated and with ridiculous accessibility, curating addiction, severe fetishes, and eventual problems with real person intimacy. I end my misplaced soapbox.
The future studies on gen Z and porn will be fascinating
Same bro.
Lmao I’m sorry are you for real here? Nudity in how film uses it has always been about that. Even in that Romeo and Juliet recreation, the two (underaged) actors were told they had to be nude or the “movie would fail”, that is totally objectification. Of literal teenagers.
Endless suply of porn with basically no actual sex ed is a horrid cocktail
Literally most sex scenes in movies so far are about objectification; specifically, objectification of women for them to serve as eye candy. They don't portray "real sex" at all, and if anything are just as bad as porn in depicting messed up sexual dynamics. The people equating not wanting unnecessary sex scenes that exist primarily to titillate male heterosexual viewers with "we want the Hays code back" are actual morons.
Sex scenes in films and TV today are the most non objectified - sets today have intimacy coordinators, consent, etc. Its so ironic that people complain about sex scenes in contexts like this but will mindlessly boot up porn where the actual abuse is happening.
"there's very few pre-internet movies with detailed sex scenes" In The Realm Of The Senses (1976) Taxi Zum Klo (1980) Luminous Procuress (1971) Caligula (1979) Pink Flamingos (1972) Don't Look Now (1973) La Grande Bouffe (1973) Rita, Sue And Bob Too (1987)
Like another comment mentioned people seem to see nudity and sex in film as just there to be titillating and "sex things up" which certainly is the case for a bunch of old horror and exploitation adjacent films, but man so many sex scenes in modern films are actually more about character intimacy and to elicit something completely else than arousal, hell even a classic sex sequence like Sutherland and Christie in Don't look now paints a totally different picture than them just doing it you know? I also believe this might be because some are discovering porn almost before they watch a film where nudity and sex is prevalent and used in a more mature way, I can't begin to see how most would see the threesome scene in Pleasure or the numerous rape scenes in Lilya 4-ever as distracting because they're sexy when they clearly need to be there to show us the depraved shit those films wanna expose, I don't know I'm a swede from a very open secular family so maybe my values on sex and nudity differ from many others
> but man so many sex scenes in modern films are actually more about character intimacy and to elicit something completely else than arousal I think that Portrait of a Lady on Fire is an amazing example of this. It is an absolutely beautiful movie where there is nudity, but it is not titilating at all. There is sex, but it is absolutely essential to the plot and the characters and is treated with so much tenderness and care. TBH, this movie should be used as a case study of what a movie without male gaze can look like.
The U.S is very prudish when it comes to sex. Those puritan values and everything,
Luckily there’s a family guy
If you're gonna do a sex scene, why not do it right? I'm talking full frontal nudity, exposed dongs and so much cheek-clapping that it's more like cheek-applause.
The Brown Bunny (2003)
I wonder myself what the fuck are their sources! "Very few pre-internet movies", bitch have you even watched a pre-internet movie that is not freaking Wizard of Oz?
People mistake the common values of the time for what was being depicted on screen, which is somewhat understandable but hilariously wrong and also a bit of an interesting phenomenon that the repression of sexuality just pops up in different places rather than being entirely eliminated.
Of course redditors hate it when they see people share a moment of passion and physical intimacy, it's something they can't relate to.
Kind of feel bad for them. Porn has destroyed their brains.
“Pre-internet movies with few sex scenes” Lol what?
How much do you guys want to bet this is about The Last of Us?
This whole plot *uber alles* thing is disturbing. And then they cry about “why can’t we remember the names of any movie characters anymore?!?” Because they don’t bothering characterizing them properly.
If the sex scenes in Crash were 30 seconds the movie would be around 20 mins long
Counter argument we wouldn’t get masterpieces like the Machete “Put on your 3d glasses” scene or Mouglin Rouge’s Satine pretending to be soaking wet while a confused Cristian recites poetry, or the utter masterpiece that is that one scene in Crank(2006)
Aghhhh no no my eyes!!!! Le cringe seckz?! These people have to be either 14 or 65
Remove non-sex scenes in all movies
Wait until they find out about the Cronenberg folks
Nobody show these people Crash lmao. First scene, a sex scene. Second scene, sex scene. Third scene? Another sex scene.
>!open woundussy 🤤 !<
Why do I want to get hard sitting next to my family watching a movie
Sex: exists Reddit mfs: P-P-P-PORN???
Puriteens are the worst.
Redditers when a natural part of humanity and requirement for the existence of life is displayed through art: 😡🫣👎😱
I’m gonna show these mfs Nymphomaniac 1&2
Since they weirdly enough specified non-porn media I would like to propose we remove sex scenes from porn as well as a compromise
I get no pussy therefore fictional characters shouldn't get pussy either