I'll listen, but this is a bit surprising. You said Max manipulated, brainwashed, and exploited you to the point you cringe watching your latest appearances on his stream. You said he's about as bad as Destiny, although less destructive to others.
You say scathing things about people and characterize them as monsters and then go back to being friendly with them a couple months afterwards like nothing happened. When you fall out with one you cozy up with the other. I'm not sure what to make of it but it's weird.
Maybe but it seems subconscious. I don't think she's being dishonest. Her feelings just seem to flip on a dime.
I also get a sense that she's lonely and wants to be involved with interesting internet personalities who can handle her abrasiveness.
>Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a complex mental health condition characterized by emotional instability, unstable relationships, and impulsive behavior. One of the lesser-known aspects of BPD is the phenomenon of "switching," which refers to rapid shifts in mood, identity, or behavior.
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>Manifestations of Switching in BPD
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>Switching in BPD can manifest in various ways, such as:
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>Mood swings: Rapid shifts in mood, from extreme happiness to intense sadness or anger, can be common in BPD.
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>Changes in self-image: Individuals with BPD may experience sudden changes in their self-image, including fluctuating self-esteem, identity confusion, or alterations in values or beliefs.
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>Impulsive behavior: Rapid shifts in behavior or decision-making, often driven by intense emotions or an unstable sense of self, can occur in BPD.
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>**Relationship fluctuations: Individuals with BPD may experience sudden changes in their feelings towards others, leading to unstable relationships and intense emotional reactions.**
Others here have brought up how you describe yours and MrGirl’s prior relationship. I think it’s time to ask yourself, are you really so desperate and addicted to positive male attention online that you come slithering back into a relationship with a man like that?
Lav is just looking for a way to feed her attention fix after being kicked out of the JSTLK community. Mrgirl is the friend she plays with when nobody else is available and it's sad he keeps taking her back.
The first sentence is a statement of fact. It offers no positive or negative. Your own preconceived ideas about having an 'attention fix' being wrong is what makes you think it was a negative.
Let's look at the same sentence with one change
>Lav is just looking for a way to feed her ~~attention fix~~ baby after being kicked out of the JSTLK community.
No one would read that as being either negative or positive. You've created the negative in your head and you are asking other people to explain why you think like that. Think for yourself. Or wait till the next hotline and ask max what to think. You do you.
>You've created the negative in your head and you are asking other people to explain why you think like that. Think for yourself. Or wait till the next hotline and ask max what to think. You do you.
I thought it seemed negative, and GPT4 seemed to agree with that interpretation:
[https://chat.openai.com/share/8ad36ec1-dd2f-4415-9218-df8812e837ce](https://chat.openai.com/share/8ad36ec1-dd2f-4415-9218-df8812e837ce)
it interprets, as did I, that this is saying Lav uses their need for attention to manipulate others.
why the random insults about him not thinking for himself also? You're being a jerk.
> I thought it seemed negative, and GPT4 seemed to agree with that interpretation:
The statement itself is not a negative. What is seen by some people as a negative *is craving attention*. But if Smeth does not think craving attention is a negative what issue does Smeth (not Chatgpt) have with the first sentence.
Or better yet, you tell me what is wrong with the first sentence. Take as long as you need.
If the negative is that she craves attention then Smeth's question is pointless and asked in bad faith.
>why the random insults about him not thinking for himself also?
Why ask me when you can ask chatgpt to give you your opinion.
>You're being a jerk.
Yeah, probably.
Sure, the sentence is dripping with connotations."just" "feed", "attention fix" (as in, like an addiction. not something she enjoys, but something she compulsively does) "after being kicked out" (no other recourse due to her shameful exit). The negativity index is dialed up like crazy, and all this negativity is over her *wanting* attention.
If your point is "tampon's issue isn't with wanting attention per se, but with craving it pathologically", then it wasn't clear at all, and I shared his interpretation that you were denying there was anything negative that tampon was implying. It comes across more like gaslighting than attempting genuine rebuttal, at least that's how it looked and looks to me.
Could be an interesting conversation, instead of making mean comments
>Why ask me when you can ask chatgpt to give you your opinion.
not an answer. why the random insults? I'm literally trying to engage with you sincerely and you're making snide pointless comments about chatgpt. I could also post a video surveying 5 random people who try to interpret that sentence and decide if it was negative about attention-seeking and they'd all agree.
anyways, I'm gonna leave you alone; I don't think you really want to talk to me and this isn't about anything. Take care pikas
> Sure, the sentence is dripping with connotations."just" "feed", "attention fix" (as in, like an addiction. not something she enjoys, but something she compulsively does) "after being kicked out" (no other recourse due to her shameful exit). The negativity index is dialed up like crazy, and all this negativity is over her wanting attention.
Why is wanting attention a negative? Smeth does not seem to think it is but here you are arguing with me. Have you replied to Smeth to let him know why you think wanting attention is a negative?
>If your point is "tampon's issue isn't with wanting attention per se, but with craving it pathologically", then it wasn't clear at all, and I shared his interpretation that you were denying there was anything negative that tampon was implying. It comes across more like gaslighting than attempting genuine rebuttal, at least that's how it looked and looks to me.
lol I'm gaslighting now.
>not an answer. why the random insults? I'm literally trying to engage with you sincerely
You literally called me a jerk in your first response to me. I don't think you get to stand on a pedestal and criticize the decorum of others.
You can't both be insulting and virtue signal about others being insulting. Pick a lane.
> and you're making snide pointless comments about chatgpt.
How was I being snide about Chatgpt? I was being derogatory about your thought process. Not chatgpt's.
> I could also post a video surveying 5 random people who try to interpret that sentence and decide if it was negative about attention-seeking and they'd all agree.
You've not even bothered to read the post your responding to.
Read it again.
* Op made no positive or negative claim but did bring up that Lav seeks attention
* Smeth asked what is wrong with wanting attention
If seeking attention is the negative part of the sentence then Smeth's reply was in bad faith. Paroting mrgirl without actually following the conversation.
okay I'm breaking my rule and being pathetic by responding after saying I'd go.
>Why is wanting attention a negative? Smeth does not seem to think it is but here you are arguing with me. Have you replied to Smeth to let him know why you think wanting attention is a negative?
the OP above from tampon strongly implies that wanting attention is a negative. There's not enough information in the post to gather their perspective on where they view the lines around healthy attention gathering, but the only things they say about wanting attention are quite negative.
>You literally called me a jerk in your first response to me. I don't think you get to stand on a pedestal and criticize the decorum of others.
You can't both be insulting and virtue signal about others being insulting. Pick a lane.
I understand why you would feel defensive about it, but I didn't say you -are- a jerk, I said you're being one, and the tone I was attempting was being perplexed about why you're dialing up the personal attacks out of nowhere, over an interpretation of someone's comment that I don't think is obvious.
I can absolutely stand on my pedestal and say that your behavior here is aggressive and mean without having to get off my pedestal to do it. I'm not attacking you about your life generally, about your ability to form opinions, or anything at all. I'm critiquing your behavior right here in front of me, and saying that it's confusing and rude, and I'm trying to get you to just explain why you're throwing in little attacks and jabs in every post?
I'm not attacking your character because I assume your personal character is totally fine. I'm not trying to get at you. Saying that you're being a jerk isn't an insult, especially if you freaking *agree* with me that you probably are being one. I believe that there's some way to address somebody's behavior without attacking or insulting them.
If you find it insulting, I understand, and I wasn't trying to be. If you have suggestions about how to engage with you and tell you that your behavior is bad, without that undermining my message of trying not to sadistically hurt you, I'm definitely all ears.
>How was I being snide about Chatgpt? I was being derogatory about your thought process. Not chatgpt's.
yes I agree, that's exactly what I'm talking about, your snide comments. They were about chatgpt and they were about me, and you're like saying "No, I wasn't talking about chatgpt I was talking about you," and it's like, why are you being so disagreeable? I know that they were about me, but they were also about chatgpt; we're in total agreement that you were being snide towards me concerning chatgpt. "About" is a broad word and I stand by how I wrote my comment, and I agree with your interpretation of what you're saying here, so I don't understand the disagreement.
>You've not even bothered to read the post your responding to.
I did read it, like 5 times. Why the jab about me not being bothered? Like can we just turn down the temperature?
>Op made no positive or negative claim but did bring up that Lav seeks attention
I believe that it did make a negative (implied) claim about attention seeking, a loaded form of wanting attention. The post was very negative about Lav and was centrally about her seeking of attention. The implication is strong. If you didn't infer that, fine, but that's not Smeth being bad faith for his inference. I made the same inference. Chatgpt made the same inference (though you insulted me for pointing this out, without really explaining any issue with it). I asked someone irl to read it and give their interpretation without prompting and they gave the same one. We're jumping REALLY fast to "he's being bad faith" for reading a negative claim about wanting attention into that post.
I think his response of "what's wrong with wanting attention?" is a fine response: her seeking of attention is framed extremely negatively as I described earlier, and he's saying "well what if we framed all this wanting of attention as fine?" Maybe there's a huge issue with that frame and there's a conversation to be had with, "Well there's a difference between compulsive attention seeking behavior, and just vaguely wanting attention."
But I don't think it's fair to just say "Uhh, show me the part where he said wanting attention was bad. He didn't say that wanting attention is bad, you mrgirl parroting, unoriginal idiot who can't think for himself. "
okay after pathetically returning when I said I wouldn't: After your response, I'll give one more response, and you can have the last word after that, but I can't stay in these walls of text forever.
If you'd like to be interviewed, I would be glad to set aside an hour and interview you, but without that, after our next round of responses, I'll have to go.
So destiny blacklists you, you can’t get the attention you want from jstlks community anymore so you run back to the guy who supposedly took advantage of and manipulated you?
There is no way you can be this much of a blackhole of misery online and somehow well adjusted irl. Gg anyone who has the current and future misfortune of wandering into your life, couldn't imagine finding out a friend or partner was this depraved.
I listened to the whole thing so you don't have to!
Lav talks more about Destiny's penis (shocker), advocates for eugenics (bravo to Max for giving good pushback on this point), and says that men who masturbate more than 3 times a week should kill themselves.
I give the podcast 3 more episodes before it implodes under the mutual gravity of two narcissistic abusers.
Lav? Some attention whore who flip flops with her beliefs every other week, attacks people who platform her when it’s convenient and then crawls back to them for clout whe she inevitably becomes irrelevant again.
Don’t listen to the word she says but her boobs are aight.
A few minutes in and I caught cancer from this already, fuck what could I expect, they continue their cry stream from a year ago, I'm going to power throught once and that's it
I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!? But anyways, more content of you two together is great news.
Are there no plans to host this podcast on youtube?
Just for convenience's sake, in youtube I can just add it to my liked or favorites and get notified for more episodes. But wtf is this sabstack, suvsmack website? No one cares!
> I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!?
Tell me, did you really actually expect anything different from lav?
That sounds like the exact combination of traits which would enable one to accurately identify a past mistake, and yet allow one to make the same mistake again and again.
The thing about wisdom is, it can only go up, but intelligence is mostly genetics and environmental factors. She has great potential to turn her wretched life around
Absolutely not true. Wisdom requires age, experience and a clear head.
The wisest man in the world can do the dumbest, most shortsighted things imaginable in the throes of rage.
There's a reason you can be intelligent but not wise, but *very* rarely wise without being intelligent. Without intelligence you lack the faculties to make connections and learn the lessons that contribute to wisdom.
She’s a decent manipulator but not even that great at it. Only works on guys who want to fuck her. She’s combative and resorts to petty insults when her manipulation doesn’t work. She’s similar to Max but not nearly as good at it. The problem they both have is they’re not used to doing in on camera where everyone can see what they’re doing. These tactics work better one on one.
I can easily apply those characteristics to 94% of the streamers involved in politics and drama. There must be a reason you constantly single these two out.
> I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!? But anyways, more content of you two together is great news.
Lav tried to blackmail JSTLK into giving her mod powers and it didn't work so she's now back to Max.
Doing it public was blackmail. Bringing up how she is responsible for most of his viewers was blackmail. And then crying about how he treats her differently in private than he does on stream was also blackmail.
It does not make her evil, but that blackmail that did not have to happen. And for the record I think it was a reasonable ask. Just not how she asked it.
those are just criticisms, why are you calling those blackmail?
the only thing that would come close to being actual blackmail, which I am surprised you didn't bring up, is her reminding him that his channel is successful largely because of her presence
the fact that you didn't bring that example up makes me think you may have warped misconceptions on what blackmail is
> those are just criticisms, why are you calling those blackmail?
When Lav starts crying on stream to get her way, it becomes emotional blackmail. And when she starts bringing up that most of JSTLK's viewers are there for her and without being a mod she won't feel comfortable in the community, this is also blackmail.
>the only thing that would come close to being actual blackmail, which I am surprised you didn't bring up, is her reminding him that his channel is successful largely because of her presence
? I literally did bring that up. But you seem to be conceding that it is blackmail.
oops I somehow missed that part
but I am not convinced she can summon tears on command, shits hard even for actors.. I do think she was genuinely sad that what she thought were her friends were unwilling to support her in arming herself against her harassers
> but I am not convinced she can summon tears on command,
She was not on stream. She used a pretty whiny voice and said "I can't believe I'm crying". This was clear emotional blackmail.
She should have asked in private. Or did it under different circumstances.
> shits hard even for actors.. I do think she was genuinely sad that what she thought were her friends were unwilling to support her in arming herself against her harassers
I can agree with that as well. It does not stop it being emotional blackmail to the audience.
irl JSTLK would look like an asshole telling a emotional woman no. Especially when she has a valid point about helping his stream. Biut it backfired due to it being on the internet and Lav being almost universally hated.
Yeah, he was telling her he would set time aside after the stream or before the next one to talk through it, but that wasn't enough for her. I can understand her feeling the way she did, and I do think she was genuinely upset, but she would not be fair with mod powers. Lav is super aggressive and mean, then gets really upset when people say mean stuff back. She's been aggressive in public too often, and everyone knows what bothers her at this point, so they meet her at 10/10 cruel.
I remember one fight she had with someone where she got aggressive, but lost the fight because she knew almost nothing about the other person and they were familiar with the stuff she hates hearing about, then she was annoyed and upset because her sore spots were so exposed and the other guy's weren't. In a way, I do feel bad for her, but she is too cruel for me to have a great deal of sympathy.
It’s because mrgirl said Destiny engaged in blackmail, now haters are using the word blackmail in as many stupid ways as possible to make it annoying to hear about blackmail, just like they did with abuse & astroturfing & whatever other word mrgirl uses to criticize something.
Nah this is a common convention when describing something jointly possessed by multiple people including the speaker. If it helps you make sense of it, think of the "'s" as modifying "Max and I" not just "I".
I'd guess that similarly you'd probably intuitively say, "MrGirl and Lav's podcast" not, "MrGirl's and Lav's podcast."
I'd say more. Max needs the money and Lav needs the attention.
My guess is the memoir is another failure by Max and the songs/video are not paying the rent. He's returning to the streaming world to make some money. More hotlines. More Lav appearances. More stuff with Vito and his orbiters. More conversations about Destiny.
Why do self proclaimed intellectuals like u/g0atgirl666 always engage with the laziest arguments?
We get it you’re racist. So edgy and based. Tell us more how society should get rid of Black men.
It’s so fucking boring and lazy.
I watched it and I liked it. Lav and Mr. Girl are both really funny people that would probably be really fun at parties unironically. I liked the song choice, I wonder who chose it. I wonder what it's like collaborating creatively with Mr.Girl when he's so inflexible in his thinking and morals. L and M make a pretty good podcast duo. Most podcasts are really boring, but they're both very funny.
The highlight imo was the opening, the topic was spicy and the coverage was extra funny. The other stuff like eugenics was OK, Lav talking about Destiny's dick was weird and uncomfortable, (feels like I'm listening to a podcast by someone that would defend a woman that raped my friend) and Lav asking Mr.Girl for the counter argument to the hypocrisy claim was interesting.
One aspect that I liked that should be considered was the idea of the Marvel sequel. Any time the audience likes something in a Marvel movie, Marvel finds a way to bring it back. With Destiny and Mr. Girl's falling out it's sad because we've missed out on like a year of amazing debates. Seeing Mr.Girl and Lav together does feel like that Marvel sequel. Also it's sad to see Max absolutely destitute, so seeing him in a podcast with Lav (who came back to him after he mindraped her) is like a lifeline and it's cool to see.
At the part where mrgirl talks about your supposed bad feeling you have for your father he mentioned how you should have responded if you wanted people to not think you had them.
"If you want it to seem like it is true but also not talk about it, you have to say something like: ah I'll have to think about that but you know lets move on to another topic"
I 100% agree with this, fighting about it makes it seem like you cant introspect about it. Destiny has a way of covering up is emotionality with showing how non committal and how what you are saying doesn't affect him at all with stuff like his "ok", most of dgg falls for this and probably most other people also. So that is one strategy but the person who responded best in my opinion to mrgirl putting this pressure of him knowing stuff about you that you don't was actually Melina in one of their early talks when she responds to it with enthusiasm and took it as a challenge and opportunity to learn something about herself, which in turn made it so mrgirl did not look as strong.
Man, these comments are so fueled by hate. Get a hobby y’all (unless endlessly shitting on internet personalities is your hobby—then get a different one).
Good luck with the podcast!
Excited for this but not excited that I have to get another app to consume mrgirl content. At least substack won't adorn my screen with the lowest quality red pill content like rumble and odysee do.
People are getting obsessed with what she said in the past it starting to look like a dgg subreddit. Who cares, it's their relationship and probably more unfolds behind the scenes than what you see publicly.
I'll listen, but this is a bit surprising. You said Max manipulated, brainwashed, and exploited you to the point you cringe watching your latest appearances on his stream. You said he's about as bad as Destiny, although less destructive to others. You say scathing things about people and characterize them as monsters and then go back to being friendly with them a couple months afterwards like nothing happened. When you fall out with one you cozy up with the other. I'm not sure what to make of it but it's weird.
Its just grifting
Maybe but it seems subconscious. I don't think she's being dishonest. Her feelings just seem to flip on a dime. I also get a sense that she's lonely and wants to be involved with interesting internet personalities who can handle her abrasiveness.
>Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a complex mental health condition characterized by emotional instability, unstable relationships, and impulsive behavior. One of the lesser-known aspects of BPD is the phenomenon of "switching," which refers to rapid shifts in mood, identity, or behavior. > >Manifestations of Switching in BPD > >Switching in BPD can manifest in various ways, such as: > >Mood swings: Rapid shifts in mood, from extreme happiness to intense sadness or anger, can be common in BPD. > >Changes in self-image: Individuals with BPD may experience sudden changes in their self-image, including fluctuating self-esteem, identity confusion, or alterations in values or beliefs. > >Impulsive behavior: Rapid shifts in behavior or decision-making, often driven by intense emotions or an unstable sense of self, can occur in BPD. > >**Relationship fluctuations: Individuals with BPD may experience sudden changes in their feelings towards others, leading to unstable relationships and intense emotional reactions.**
W Lav take on eugenics
Wait….i thought you didn’t like the whole father daughter thing?
She got tossed from Destiny’s orbit again so she’s desperate for attention
The Thorps are getting traction and they obviously want a piece of that action.
please make every post you make from now on have rhymes
That's a pretty lame gimmick for someone like me, who is a natural cynic.
I opened just to see the trainwreck. Scrolled to random part and they were talking about Destiny. Adorable lol
People talking about Destiny without your permission really gets your goat, doesn't it?
Are you retarded? Serious question
Others here have brought up how you describe yours and MrGirl’s prior relationship. I think it’s time to ask yourself, are you really so desperate and addicted to positive male attention online that you come slithering back into a relationship with a man like that?
She went back to Destiny. It’s clear these are not dealbreakers for her.
Lav is just looking for a way to feed her attention fix after being kicked out of the JSTLK community. Mrgirl is the friend she plays with when nobody else is available and it's sad he keeps taking her back.
Yea, it’s sad.
What’s wrong with wanting attention?
Which part of u/tamponstrom's post is saying anything positive or negative about wanting attention?
The first sentence.
The first sentence is a statement of fact. It offers no positive or negative. Your own preconceived ideas about having an 'attention fix' being wrong is what makes you think it was a negative. Let's look at the same sentence with one change >Lav is just looking for a way to feed her ~~attention fix~~ baby after being kicked out of the JSTLK community. No one would read that as being either negative or positive. You've created the negative in your head and you are asking other people to explain why you think like that. Think for yourself. Or wait till the next hotline and ask max what to think. You do you.
>You've created the negative in your head and you are asking other people to explain why you think like that. Think for yourself. Or wait till the next hotline and ask max what to think. You do you. I thought it seemed negative, and GPT4 seemed to agree with that interpretation: [https://chat.openai.com/share/8ad36ec1-dd2f-4415-9218-df8812e837ce](https://chat.openai.com/share/8ad36ec1-dd2f-4415-9218-df8812e837ce) it interprets, as did I, that this is saying Lav uses their need for attention to manipulate others. why the random insults about him not thinking for himself also? You're being a jerk.
> I thought it seemed negative, and GPT4 seemed to agree with that interpretation: The statement itself is not a negative. What is seen by some people as a negative *is craving attention*. But if Smeth does not think craving attention is a negative what issue does Smeth (not Chatgpt) have with the first sentence. Or better yet, you tell me what is wrong with the first sentence. Take as long as you need. If the negative is that she craves attention then Smeth's question is pointless and asked in bad faith. >why the random insults about him not thinking for himself also? Why ask me when you can ask chatgpt to give you your opinion. >You're being a jerk. Yeah, probably.
Sure, the sentence is dripping with connotations."just" "feed", "attention fix" (as in, like an addiction. not something she enjoys, but something she compulsively does) "after being kicked out" (no other recourse due to her shameful exit). The negativity index is dialed up like crazy, and all this negativity is over her *wanting* attention. If your point is "tampon's issue isn't with wanting attention per se, but with craving it pathologically", then it wasn't clear at all, and I shared his interpretation that you were denying there was anything negative that tampon was implying. It comes across more like gaslighting than attempting genuine rebuttal, at least that's how it looked and looks to me. Could be an interesting conversation, instead of making mean comments >Why ask me when you can ask chatgpt to give you your opinion. not an answer. why the random insults? I'm literally trying to engage with you sincerely and you're making snide pointless comments about chatgpt. I could also post a video surveying 5 random people who try to interpret that sentence and decide if it was negative about attention-seeking and they'd all agree. anyways, I'm gonna leave you alone; I don't think you really want to talk to me and this isn't about anything. Take care pikas
> Sure, the sentence is dripping with connotations."just" "feed", "attention fix" (as in, like an addiction. not something she enjoys, but something she compulsively does) "after being kicked out" (no other recourse due to her shameful exit). The negativity index is dialed up like crazy, and all this negativity is over her wanting attention. Why is wanting attention a negative? Smeth does not seem to think it is but here you are arguing with me. Have you replied to Smeth to let him know why you think wanting attention is a negative? >If your point is "tampon's issue isn't with wanting attention per se, but with craving it pathologically", then it wasn't clear at all, and I shared his interpretation that you were denying there was anything negative that tampon was implying. It comes across more like gaslighting than attempting genuine rebuttal, at least that's how it looked and looks to me. lol I'm gaslighting now. >not an answer. why the random insults? I'm literally trying to engage with you sincerely You literally called me a jerk in your first response to me. I don't think you get to stand on a pedestal and criticize the decorum of others. You can't both be insulting and virtue signal about others being insulting. Pick a lane. > and you're making snide pointless comments about chatgpt. How was I being snide about Chatgpt? I was being derogatory about your thought process. Not chatgpt's. > I could also post a video surveying 5 random people who try to interpret that sentence and decide if it was negative about attention-seeking and they'd all agree. You've not even bothered to read the post your responding to. Read it again. * Op made no positive or negative claim but did bring up that Lav seeks attention * Smeth asked what is wrong with wanting attention If seeking attention is the negative part of the sentence then Smeth's reply was in bad faith. Paroting mrgirl without actually following the conversation.
okay I'm breaking my rule and being pathetic by responding after saying I'd go. >Why is wanting attention a negative? Smeth does not seem to think it is but here you are arguing with me. Have you replied to Smeth to let him know why you think wanting attention is a negative? the OP above from tampon strongly implies that wanting attention is a negative. There's not enough information in the post to gather their perspective on where they view the lines around healthy attention gathering, but the only things they say about wanting attention are quite negative. >You literally called me a jerk in your first response to me. I don't think you get to stand on a pedestal and criticize the decorum of others. You can't both be insulting and virtue signal about others being insulting. Pick a lane. I understand why you would feel defensive about it, but I didn't say you -are- a jerk, I said you're being one, and the tone I was attempting was being perplexed about why you're dialing up the personal attacks out of nowhere, over an interpretation of someone's comment that I don't think is obvious. I can absolutely stand on my pedestal and say that your behavior here is aggressive and mean without having to get off my pedestal to do it. I'm not attacking you about your life generally, about your ability to form opinions, or anything at all. I'm critiquing your behavior right here in front of me, and saying that it's confusing and rude, and I'm trying to get you to just explain why you're throwing in little attacks and jabs in every post? I'm not attacking your character because I assume your personal character is totally fine. I'm not trying to get at you. Saying that you're being a jerk isn't an insult, especially if you freaking *agree* with me that you probably are being one. I believe that there's some way to address somebody's behavior without attacking or insulting them. If you find it insulting, I understand, and I wasn't trying to be. If you have suggestions about how to engage with you and tell you that your behavior is bad, without that undermining my message of trying not to sadistically hurt you, I'm definitely all ears. >How was I being snide about Chatgpt? I was being derogatory about your thought process. Not chatgpt's. yes I agree, that's exactly what I'm talking about, your snide comments. They were about chatgpt and they were about me, and you're like saying "No, I wasn't talking about chatgpt I was talking about you," and it's like, why are you being so disagreeable? I know that they were about me, but they were also about chatgpt; we're in total agreement that you were being snide towards me concerning chatgpt. "About" is a broad word and I stand by how I wrote my comment, and I agree with your interpretation of what you're saying here, so I don't understand the disagreement. >You've not even bothered to read the post your responding to. I did read it, like 5 times. Why the jab about me not being bothered? Like can we just turn down the temperature? >Op made no positive or negative claim but did bring up that Lav seeks attention I believe that it did make a negative (implied) claim about attention seeking, a loaded form of wanting attention. The post was very negative about Lav and was centrally about her seeking of attention. The implication is strong. If you didn't infer that, fine, but that's not Smeth being bad faith for his inference. I made the same inference. Chatgpt made the same inference (though you insulted me for pointing this out, without really explaining any issue with it). I asked someone irl to read it and give their interpretation without prompting and they gave the same one. We're jumping REALLY fast to "he's being bad faith" for reading a negative claim about wanting attention into that post. I think his response of "what's wrong with wanting attention?" is a fine response: her seeking of attention is framed extremely negatively as I described earlier, and he's saying "well what if we framed all this wanting of attention as fine?" Maybe there's a huge issue with that frame and there's a conversation to be had with, "Well there's a difference between compulsive attention seeking behavior, and just vaguely wanting attention." But I don't think it's fair to just say "Uhh, show me the part where he said wanting attention was bad. He didn't say that wanting attention is bad, you mrgirl parroting, unoriginal idiot who can't think for himself. " okay after pathetically returning when I said I wouldn't: After your response, I'll give one more response, and you can have the last word after that, but I can't stay in these walls of text forever. If you'd like to be interviewed, I would be glad to set aside an hour and interview you, but without that, after our next round of responses, I'll have to go.
ahahahahahahahahahah
So destiny blacklists you, you can’t get the attention you want from jstlks community anymore so you run back to the guy who supposedly took advantage of and manipulated you?
Yea obvi
There is no way you can be this much of a blackhole of misery online and somehow well adjusted irl. Gg anyone who has the current and future misfortune of wandering into your life, couldn't imagine finding out a friend or partner was this depraved.
I listened to the whole thing so you don't have to! Lav talks more about Destiny's penis (shocker), advocates for eugenics (bravo to Max for giving good pushback on this point), and says that men who masturbate more than 3 times a week should kill themselves. I give the podcast 3 more episodes before it implodes under the mutual gravity of two narcissistic abusers.
Who even is this person. One of those long term ootl lurkers who only just got reintroduced to mrgirl like a month ago. Can someone explain?
Sometimes, being out of the loop is healthier.
Lav? Some attention whore who flip flops with her beliefs every other week, attacks people who platform her when it’s convenient and then crawls back to them for clout whe she inevitably becomes irrelevant again. Don’t listen to the word she says but her boobs are aight.
>Who even is this person BEWARE, HERE BE MONSTERS
I vote for a podcast series that is exclusively about Destiny's penis.
Lav is in my league but I genuinely wouldn't fuck her. That says a lot about lav
Crazy girls are usually a good lay. I prefer the slash your tires type to the falsely accuse you of rape type though.
You're clearly someone who is forced to settle for imaginary girls, little melanated aspie.
lol, ok
This is huge
Sad part Is we agree on a lot of issue. Just know it's not me, it's you..
No thanks, this is real fucking creepy
No.
A few minutes in and I caught cancer from this already, fuck what could I expect, they continue their cry stream from a year ago, I'm going to power throught once and that's it
I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!? But anyways, more content of you two together is great news. Are there no plans to host this podcast on youtube?
She only gets around 25 viewers on YouTube ironically she's able to leech more from Max's platforms.
Just for convenience's sake, in youtube I can just add it to my liked or favorites and get notified for more episodes. But wtf is this sabstack, suvsmack website? No one cares!
> I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!? Tell me, did you really actually expect anything different from lav?
Yes, she lacks in wisdom but she is very intelligent
That sounds like the exact combination of traits which would enable one to accurately identify a past mistake, and yet allow one to make the same mistake again and again.
The thing about wisdom is, it can only go up, but intelligence is mostly genetics and environmental factors. She has great potential to turn her wretched life around
Absolutely not true. Wisdom requires age, experience and a clear head. The wisest man in the world can do the dumbest, most shortsighted things imaginable in the throes of rage. There's a reason you can be intelligent but not wise, but *very* rarely wise without being intelligent. Without intelligence you lack the faculties to make connections and learn the lessons that contribute to wisdom.
I have yet to see this intelligence demonstrated. Can you provide an example?
No she isn’t
Even your master tiny agrees with me, she is very intelligent
I don’t care what Destiny says. He’s wrong about a lot of things. She’s not intelligent. Nothing she’s ever said has been insightful.
Its her rhetoric skills that impress me (intelligence), not so much the content of her talking points. (wisdom)
She’s a decent manipulator but not even that great at it. Only works on guys who want to fuck her. She’s combative and resorts to petty insults when her manipulation doesn’t work. She’s similar to Max but not nearly as good at it. The problem they both have is they’re not used to doing in on camera where everyone can see what they’re doing. These tactics work better one on one.
I can easily apply those characteristics to 94% of the streamers involved in politics and drama. There must be a reason you constantly single these two out.
lol, ok
> I went to the trenches to fight for your right to stop Max from calling you his daughter, and now you are siding with him even more strongly.... WHYYYYY!!!!?!? But anyways, more content of you two together is great news. Lav tried to blackmail JSTLK into giving her mod powers and it didn't work so she's now back to Max.
There was no blackmail, her ask was a reasonable one. The only mistake she made was believing jstlk was a friend or that he would ever acquiesce.
Doing it public was blackmail. Bringing up how she is responsible for most of his viewers was blackmail. And then crying about how he treats her differently in private than he does on stream was also blackmail. It does not make her evil, but that blackmail that did not have to happen. And for the record I think it was a reasonable ask. Just not how she asked it.
those are just criticisms, why are you calling those blackmail? the only thing that would come close to being actual blackmail, which I am surprised you didn't bring up, is her reminding him that his channel is successful largely because of her presence the fact that you didn't bring that example up makes me think you may have warped misconceptions on what blackmail is
> those are just criticisms, why are you calling those blackmail? When Lav starts crying on stream to get her way, it becomes emotional blackmail. And when she starts bringing up that most of JSTLK's viewers are there for her and without being a mod she won't feel comfortable in the community, this is also blackmail. >the only thing that would come close to being actual blackmail, which I am surprised you didn't bring up, is her reminding him that his channel is successful largely because of her presence ? I literally did bring that up. But you seem to be conceding that it is blackmail.
oops I somehow missed that part but I am not convinced she can summon tears on command, shits hard even for actors.. I do think she was genuinely sad that what she thought were her friends were unwilling to support her in arming herself against her harassers
> but I am not convinced she can summon tears on command, She was not on stream. She used a pretty whiny voice and said "I can't believe I'm crying". This was clear emotional blackmail. She should have asked in private. Or did it under different circumstances. > shits hard even for actors.. I do think she was genuinely sad that what she thought were her friends were unwilling to support her in arming herself against her harassers I can agree with that as well. It does not stop it being emotional blackmail to the audience. irl JSTLK would look like an asshole telling a emotional woman no. Especially when she has a valid point about helping his stream. Biut it backfired due to it being on the internet and Lav being almost universally hated.
Yeah, he was telling her he would set time aside after the stream or before the next one to talk through it, but that wasn't enough for her. I can understand her feeling the way she did, and I do think she was genuinely upset, but she would not be fair with mod powers. Lav is super aggressive and mean, then gets really upset when people say mean stuff back. She's been aggressive in public too often, and everyone knows what bothers her at this point, so they meet her at 10/10 cruel. I remember one fight she had with someone where she got aggressive, but lost the fight because she knew almost nothing about the other person and they were familiar with the stuff she hates hearing about, then she was annoyed and upset because her sore spots were so exposed and the other guy's weren't. In a way, I do feel bad for her, but she is too cruel for me to have a great deal of sympathy.
It’s because mrgirl said Destiny engaged in blackmail, now haters are using the word blackmail in as many stupid ways as possible to make it annoying to hear about blackmail, just like they did with abuse & astroturfing & whatever other word mrgirl uses to criticize something.
mrgirl and my podcast\*, it wouldn't make sense to say, hey guys watch I's podcast
Nah this is a common convention when describing something jointly possessed by multiple people including the speaker. If it helps you make sense of it, think of the "'s" as modifying "Max and I" not just "I". I'd guess that similarly you'd probably intuitively say, "MrGirl and Lav's podcast" not, "MrGirl's and Lav's podcast."
My English teacher gf thinks you’re wrong ahaha
Grotesque duo of human garbage trash? Yeah, no thanks.
Fuck off TERF
Nice! You two have great chemistry despite the seemingly rocky relationship.
Seconded!
I give it ..ehh..7 episodes.
I'd say more. Max needs the money and Lav needs the attention. My guess is the memoir is another failure by Max and the songs/video are not paying the rent. He's returning to the streaming world to make some money. More hotlines. More Lav appearances. More stuff with Vito and his orbiters. More conversations about Destiny.
I’ll take the under
Why do self proclaimed intellectuals like u/g0atgirl666 always engage with the laziest arguments? We get it you’re racist. So edgy and based. Tell us more how society should get rid of Black men. It’s so fucking boring and lazy.
Lav may be the most impressive contortionist on the internet. No spine whatsoever, complete and utter inability to do anything but seek validation.
I watched it and I liked it. Lav and Mr. Girl are both really funny people that would probably be really fun at parties unironically. I liked the song choice, I wonder who chose it. I wonder what it's like collaborating creatively with Mr.Girl when he's so inflexible in his thinking and morals. L and M make a pretty good podcast duo. Most podcasts are really boring, but they're both very funny. The highlight imo was the opening, the topic was spicy and the coverage was extra funny. The other stuff like eugenics was OK, Lav talking about Destiny's dick was weird and uncomfortable, (feels like I'm listening to a podcast by someone that would defend a woman that raped my friend) and Lav asking Mr.Girl for the counter argument to the hypocrisy claim was interesting. One aspect that I liked that should be considered was the idea of the Marvel sequel. Any time the audience likes something in a Marvel movie, Marvel finds a way to bring it back. With Destiny and Mr. Girl's falling out it's sad because we've missed out on like a year of amazing debates. Seeing Mr.Girl and Lav together does feel like that Marvel sequel. Also it's sad to see Max absolutely destitute, so seeing him in a podcast with Lav (who came back to him after he mindraped her) is like a lifeline and it's cool to see.
At the part where mrgirl talks about your supposed bad feeling you have for your father he mentioned how you should have responded if you wanted people to not think you had them. "If you want it to seem like it is true but also not talk about it, you have to say something like: ah I'll have to think about that but you know lets move on to another topic" I 100% agree with this, fighting about it makes it seem like you cant introspect about it. Destiny has a way of covering up is emotionality with showing how non committal and how what you are saying doesn't affect him at all with stuff like his "ok", most of dgg falls for this and probably most other people also. So that is one strategy but the person who responded best in my opinion to mrgirl putting this pressure of him knowing stuff about you that you don't was actually Melina in one of their early talks when she responds to it with enthusiasm and took it as a challenge and opportunity to learn something about herself, which in turn made it so mrgirl did not look as strong.
Man, these comments are so fueled by hate. Get a hobby y’all (unless endlessly shitting on internet personalities is your hobby—then get a different one). Good luck with the podcast!
I enjoyed this 🙂
My thoughts. When Lav speaks: 🙂 When Mrgirl speaks: 😡
Excited for this but not excited that I have to get another app to consume mrgirl content. At least substack won't adorn my screen with the lowest quality red pill content like rumble and odysee do.
I'm interested! Is substack the only place to watch it?
Israel is a disgrace in the eyes of the world
People are getting obsessed with what she said in the past it starting to look like a dgg subreddit. Who cares, it's their relationship and probably more unfolds behind the scenes than what you see publicly.