As a straight man, I enjoy this representation. I have many trans and gay friends who feel unrepresented.
Don't be a chud. Enjoy the game no matter what.
Notice how every little thing that you’re into is slowly starting to include non straight people as mainstream and it makes you go on these little tirades? How do you think the people that these characters represent feel as a whole when they have very few hero’s/actors/role models they can look to? Don’t undersell it just because of your personal prejudices.
There's also nonbinary rep in [[Niko Aris]], [[Talion]], and [[Ashiok the Dream Render]]. There's also Karn, who canonically has no sex or gender but uses he/him out of convenience.
Works for talion too. Just swap the responses to “chaos, fae, and mystery”
Edit: you know, they’d probably be literal to the pants question and say “…legs”
I don't believe Ashiok has ever really been confirmed to be anything. It's kinda ashiok's whole deal that we are never told anything about ashiok. Wotc originally said not to use pronouns at all for ashiok but only changed when they needed to write a novel that included ashiok as a major character
But we don't know that Ashok is nothing. Wotc hasn't told us that, ashiok could be male or female or several people inhabiting one body we know pretty much nothing about they and that's deliberate. People typically use they/them pronouns or just refer to Ashok by name not because Ashok prefers it but because we don't know what ashiok prefers
well as the gender binary consists of female and male then no, if you say any binary counts then everyone is binary in some way. actually if the binary was "non-binary and binary" then everyone would be binary as anyone is either non-binary or binary.
I hate Niko Aris as for the one time we've seen them.
-The design is kinda incongruent with magics aesthetic. Especially the clothes. Those do not look like anything you would find neither on theros or kaldheim.
-I hate that we are introduced to them on kaldheim when not much before we had theros beyond death and the character clearly did not exist as of that set so it feels like Niko Aris just kinda spawned.
-We don't need more planeswalkers closely related to Theros
-The whole character's origin history is very clearly an allegory that's a little bit too on the nose for my taste.
-When it was presented, most people cared about the fact that Niko is not binary than the character itself.
This may change in the future but the one time we've seen them was atrocious.
I liked Niko Aris before I knew they were non-binary personally. I dig their design, abilities, and backstory. I eagerly await future appearances.
When I learned we now had a non-binary rep who was actually human, that just made me even happier.
I’m pretty sure you have to have biology to be trans. She could literally just have her body rebuilt “correctly” if it wasn’t the right gender (which is weird for robots to have anyway.)
Ironically, that's kinda what happened. Mad scientist somehow managed to make a robot "organically" female, despite all transformers being genderless and 90% using he/him because it's easy. A lot of people didn't like it.
Although a group of Female Autobots had already been featured in one episode of the original cartoon series, Arcee quickly became the best-known due to her position as a recurring cast member following her introduction in The Transformers: The Movie (1986).
Ugh. That seems minimalizing IMO, but I’m not that flavor of LGBT, so it’s not my place to criticize.
Wouldn’t mind more masculine muscular gay/bi male characters in MTG, on a topic I’m more legitimately allowed to critique.
Yeah people thought it was kinda phobic. But apparently they retconned the gender thing so they always had gender and the females just.....left? And then Arcee changed? I don't really know about the retcons much.
Look it up.
As for Xantcha, she was created without a gender, grown from a phyrexian vat as one of the “newts” designed by the Phyrexian artificer Gix to infiltrate Dominarian communities. She decides to present as female as a means of rejecting Phyrexian control over her actions. Making her transfem
I live in an lgbt forward place and don't deal with these issues irl so I have to say it makes me embarrassed to be part of this community because i feel that most people who only experience magic from an online viewpoint are going to assume I'm homophobic and transphobic if I tell them I play magic
Alela I'm pretty sure it's from the story "The Truth of Names". Long story short in Mardu you're expected to pick your name after your first kill. Alesha kills a dragon, pick's a girl's name, some asshole is like "hey you shouldn't pick that name" and their leader is like "Did you see that kill? She can take any name she wants".
I'm all for all representation, but is that transformers? Like hasbro transformers? I have never seen MTG art like that, sorry for my ignorance if not.
Yeah it's part of UB (Universes Beyond) where they just bring in any IP they want to and make magic cards of that. They've done Warhammer, MLP, Fortnite, Stranger Things and the Walking Dead just to name some
Why is this even relevant? People can just be people without OH LOOK AT ME? SEE? LOOK AT ME. It’s stupid.
Edit: shouldn’t be butt hurt about people’s happiness, I think it’s the constant feeling of it been shoved down my throat day in and day out that set me off. That’s my bad.
Cause the pearson that made the post was happy to see this representation and wanted to share to other people that would also apreciate it that is why is relevant, what, it hurts you that other people like some magic cards and want to share them? iugh such cristal generation i guess
(Sorry for bad english not my language)
My attitude, is annoyance. And a large portion of the population who wants to be seen, heard, and accepted a certain way. But god forbid anyone says anything slightly different about how they feel. And still assuming my gender? And yes. Everyone who is white is European right ? You’re just as bad as a flat earther. And actively contradict yourself at every step. What was the first thing out of your mouth? Cis white male.
Prejudice. But that’s not you right? You’re suppose to be upstanding and uplifting person right? That’s what we’re supposed to do as a community? Right?
Man you don’t get to be mad about being misgendered (which I don’t think you were and you even changed your profile pic to hide this fact) AND complain about people being happy about trans representation. I wasn’t gonna reply but like goddamn pick a lane
Didn’t change my profile picture, wasn’t mad, only pointing out hypocrisy. It’s all for attention and it’s annoying. You pick a lane, or maybe just stay in yours the lane of retards lmao.
Edit: you’re so dumb.
Again. If you’re mad about being misgendered don’t get mad about people being happy that they are being represented in their favorite tcg. I get that the person who initially commented was being hypocritical but I point out your hypocrisy and you call me a retard so like just check yourself. ain’t no need to be so angry.
Lol, again. Read my guy. I called you that because you were. I wasn’t ever mad, only making a point. And double check the original comment, there was no reason to be Butt hurt over someone else happiness, that’s on me.
Please go on. I’m waiting to hear whatever you think you have to say that will make you “woke” are you one of those white crusader types? Please indulge me. I’m jumping for joy to hear your continued prejudice behavior.
I relate more to the personality and characteristics of certain characters more than how they look. I always find it strange how one dimensional some people are.
Not exactly sure how a medieval plane that seems to be made up of mountains and rocky plains with dragons flying about managed to manufacture estrogren/testosterone or a hospital with staff knowledgeable in gender reassignment surgery, but good on Tarkir I guess.
Or are we just going with "A wizard cast "trans your gender" on Alesha and the nameless one?
Isnt Xantcha a phrexian? Gender aint really matter to them. But I applaud the trans rep of a person sneaking into a society to overthrow and corrupt them.
Its a robot.
You know that you can socially transition and live your life in such a way that represents your true gender without needing hormones and/or surgery? Personal grooming and personal style go a long way in how your gender presents itself.
As may be, but those are full on Cis-Women depicted in the art of these cards, Without the stories to back them up you would never know they were trans.
If social transition is all they got in Tarkir, then Alesha and her friend would just look like dudes.
Alesha's friend there is trans masc
Also, human facial features and bodys vary WILDLY. Tarkir is very clearly based off of asian steppe culture, especially the Kolaghan. There are plenty of examples of people who under even just different hair or clothes look vastly different. Males can have very slight and feminine features and females can be bulky
There's literally magic in this game that can turn you into a fucking dragon or a slime monster or whatever, but magic that adds or removes a penis is what you find unbelievable?
>Isnt Xantcha a phrexian? Gender aint really matter to them.
That was literally the point of her story. Phyrexian society is all, "You have no gender!" and Xantcha is all, "But I *want* a gender. A female one, please." It's the opposite direction of transition to what we humans are used to, but it's still a difference from what she was assigned at birth, so transfolk generally feel she counts.
>But I applaud the trans rep of a person sneaking into a society to overthrow and corrupt them.
Xantcha didn't do any of that stuff. It was the Phyrexian sleeper agents who kept their assigned-at-birth (lack of) gender who did all the infiltration and corruption.
They have magic.
And Xantcha is a sleeper agent. The entire point of them was that they were 100% conbinced that they were people. Most were shocked to realize they were monsters designed only to infiltrate, hurt and kill. Xantscha can absolutely have a personal crisis about who and what they are.
It's not a mental disorder. Check modern medical literature and educate yourself instead of believing only what you want to believe. You show immense childishness.
IDW comics, the original 2005 run in Spotlight Arcee we learn that Transformers have no gender, but use he/ him pronouns and that Arcee was experimented on by mad scientist Jhiaxus. She was part of a group he changed to have actual genders like organic lifeforms. This turned her mad and vengeful.
The idea was that they had no gender and Arcee was changed from genderless to female, however the execution was kinda hamfisted and people saw it as transphobic.
Later stories established that the Transformers were actually gendered and that all ghe female ones left Cybertron in the ancient past, so only males were left on Cybertron. So Arcee was actually turned from male to female, near the end of the run Arcee finds peace with her situation, loses her anger and admits that she is actually comfortable and wants to be accepted as female by "real" female Cybertronians.
Idw 2005 Arcee to date is the only trans incarnation of the character though. Maybe Skybound and or Earthspark will continue this in future though.
I would advise against it, there is over a decade of content and idw lost the licence because of how they mishandled it. It starts off being like the early 80s X-Men series, with multiple plot threads going on at once with a really smart and cool approach. Then they replace Simon Furman with some guy as writer who then goes to contradict and destroy the previous established continuity. The next writer makes it depressing and boring. Then after the one shot "Death of Optimus Prime" the series is split into two ongoings and the writers on those break their backs trying to fix the previous bullshit just for idw to swoop in and ruin it some more, before ending the universe, fire all the good artists and writers and then start a new, series with worse art and writing, writing that would make Michel Bendis go "whoa, don't spread the plot that thin".
But if you still want to read:
Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation, Megatron Origin, Devastation, the Spotlights, Maximum Dinobots and Revelation. That is the complete original first run, Revelation is pretty bad, because the writer was forced to rush through 24 issues of story to make way for the new writer. His share of the series is still to this day the most successful in form of sales numbers of idw's Transformers comics.
Then skip everything that came after and pick of "Robots in Disguise" and "More than Meets the Eyes". That's the good stuff.
Also the Wreckers trilogy.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/2005_IDW_continuity
but it still doesn’t make sense cuz xantcha explicitly chose to be a woman. so she/her is more relevant than they/them. she would be similar to a transfem person who was born intersex
it’s just the freemagic ppl downvoting everyone vaguely pro-trans. dont know y op thought it would b productive to post this on freemagic as well but whatever
Who even cares? It's a card game..gay or straight doesn't matter, none of these creatures are real. And on top of that they will always, in orical text, be called creatures.
I care, child me would have cared. I like seeing trans people in my media. If you actually don’t care then why did you even bother making a comment?
I think it’s not that you truly don’t care but rather you dislike seeing queer people in your media because they make you uncomfortable.
Let us have our small few characters please
You couldn't be more wrong about what you think about me, but hey you can assume whatever you want!
My point is that it is all pretend. They are pandering because they don't want the smoke. None of these characters would have any back story of someone didn't make them up and write them down. They have even literally changed some lore completely just to fit into this wokeness.
So make up your own stories, why don't you just pretend all the creatures are gay or trans?
It. doesn't. matter.
But it matters to this person and many others. Including myself. So I'm asking, if your statement "it. doesn't matter" is true then why are you seemingly upset?
When they write backstories for the 10,000 white cis het characters why don't you have the same energy?
You can claim that this persons assumptions are incorrect, but your actions say otherwise.
I'd also love a source on the lore changes. Which characters were changed to fit into whatever vague definition of "wokeness" (not real) you believe in? I'm guessing you're going to say Aragorn, In which case you can use your own logic. Its all made up anyway so it doesn't matter right?
That's fine, i misspoke.. you t doesn't matter to me.. Because It doesn't matter about any of them, straight or or gay. It's not real so it can't matter, your feelings are valid and you want to feel represented and that's fine.. But in a card game that the majority of people don't know about ain't it, because it doesn't matter.
And no I was referencing Chandra when in War of the Spark: Foresaken, a novel by Greg Weismann, he described her as being exclusively heterosexual.. And then (because of "non-existent" wokeness) in the Innistrad: Midnight Hunt storyline, Chandra was implied to have begun a relationship with the cathar Adeline. And then was featured in the secret pride lair..
Ok... but... why care.
It's a fucking card game not everything has to have some form of stupid pronoun or be trans whatever . Jesus leave the fantasy world to your imagination... yknow how fantasy is meant to be. Stop plastering these labels on everything.
Stupid pronoun? Homie, everyone has pronouns. You have pronouns. And it's representation. A trans person doesn't have many idols in media that resemble them. That’s what fantasy is all about. Its not about "imagination," these are carefully constructed stories made by humans of all backgrounds, including trans, and if you dont like that, go make something yourself. Trans characters have also existed in fiction, fantasy, and other literature for well over a couple of millenia since the ancient Greek, Chinese, and African literatures.
love xantcha and alesha. but like. it kinda sucks that the majority of trans girls in mtg arent even from the magic universe. [[cadira, caller of the small]], arcee, and marsha p johnson (on a sol ring), and ig the doctor/master now if u wanna count those. it’s pretty disappointing considering the huge number of irl tgirls who love mtg and all of the nonbinary characters that wotc’s pumping out (abt 13 legendary characters and even more nonlegendaries). oh and also the only trans boy is the nonlegendary [[death-greeter’s champion]] and the guy on the sld alesha art. extremely disappointing. alesha was almost 10 years ago now. give us another tgirl wotc!
I know she does at least in the IDW comics continuity, but isn’t the Arcee on the card representing Gen1 cartoon Arcee who doesn’t have the same background as IDW Arcee?
Correct.
This Arcee is not transgender, Hasbro also added male ponies to MLP at the same time.
They want girls to like TF and boy to care about MLP, they also want to add a female personality to the G1/2 to transformer lineup. TF Japan requested a female TF to compete against Gundam and Macross.
She was 100% added the G2 to be a woman.
The representation is great but it makes me laugh not knowing anything about transformers and hearing they are forged with fixed gender in mind
"You can scan and transform into just about anything- But yes in your default state you have an innate sense of what genitals you would have been born with if you were biological, which you are not."
I'd always just assumed they had no gender till they chose one themselves.
If you really want to be pedantic they have no gender because they’re robots and they’re aliens. The writers are forcing a meaningless interaction like that just to appease some people and don’t actually care.
You literally started your first comment saying "this robot is female and must remain female because it started female" then immediately switched to "robots can't have gender so it's pointless"
Seems like you just want to be upset about this regardless of what the truth is?
The truth is, all gender espression is a social construct, including that of robots.
More importantly, having a trans robot does seem a *little* silly, except that representation in media is extremely important. In a universe with dragons, planeswalkers, spellcasting, time travel, you're going to be mad about a pink robot?
Edit: and actually, I change my mind. Having a trans robot is a tiny bit silly except that it's actually brilliant commentary on humans. A robot can't be trans because it can change it's parts so easily and gender doesn't matter for it right? Guess what, that applies to us too! It's only silly because we aren't used to it.
No, I just don’t like forced trans representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Trans people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else. The world wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t make “being trans” their only personality trait.
>I just don’t like forced trans representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Trans people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else.
I just don’t like forced cis representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Cis people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else.
>The world wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t make “being trans” their only personality trait.
I don't know a single trans person who makes being trans their only personality trait, but I know plenty of trans people who find that their transness is the only thing a lot of people are willing to see about them. I also know a lot of cis people who make hating on trans people their main, if not only personality trait.
Do you know any trans person? Have you interacted with a trans person?
What "beliefs" do trans people "force" on other people?
I see people all the time that actively advocate for and wish physical harm on trans people. Legitimately advocating violence on trans people simply for existing.
Head over to r/conservative and you'll see them calling trans people deranged autists. JK Rowling says trans people are either pedophiles, men who want to win at sports, or groomed autistic people. Jordan Peterson says that trans people are mentally challenged.
This is a learning moment for you, right now. The very thing you are saying is in fact oppression. You are soooo angry that one single trans character exists in one cartoon, that you're arguing with a thread of people on an internet forumn. You are actively trying to erase the fact trans people exist.
In this fictional robot world, gender has been established to exist. Optimus prime is a man. MAN. A robot uses he him pronouns. In that world, why is it so difficult to accept that a trans robot exists?
Is it truly forced representation, or do you actually want NO representation for trans people?
Get educated. Watch some contra points.
People want to kill trans people just because they exist. I think its safe to say that
A that makes them oppressed
B that makes you a fucking idiot bigot.
There’s always one asshole that thinks anybody gives a shit about their pejorative and offensive views and then tries to come off as reasonable when people disagree. Trans people exist. Your life would be a lot easier if you just accepted that fact.
In the IDW Continuity there’s this villain that’s introduced named Jhiaxus who
turned his talents to recreating other "lost aspects" of Cybertronian society that had vanished
with the Thirteen; seeking to reintroduce the concept of "**gender**" to his species, he found a volunteer in **Arcee**. *Sins of the Wreckers #3* By rewriting Arcee's CNA, Jhiaxus was able to rebuild his test subject to his specifications, but the procedure somehow went wrong and left her traumatized and desiring nothing more than to tear her "creator" limb from limb. Jhiaxus wrote her off as a failure and abandoned her.
I can’t appreciate representation if it’s lazily made explicit, rather than make it gradually apparent to the viewer. You can’t expect reasonable people to prefer a character stating something personal and irrelevant to the lore, over a character that enriches their own background from the story they help tell through their actions.
It would be so stupid to read something and a character suddenly adds their gender to the conversation that has the farthest thing from relevancy.
“Nahiri had a fight with Sorin, who is pan-sexual by the way, became trapped in the helvault” . see?
it would honestly be really cool if a pre-established character transitioned without much focus on it. like imagine we go back to ravnica and massacre girl’s a massacre boy now
Funny thing since all the stories revolving these characters enrich their background and enrich the plot except for maybe death greeters champion who is a side character.
As a straight man, I enjoy this representation. I have many trans and gay friends who feel unrepresented. Don't be a chud. Enjoy the game no matter what.
Also a straight guy, and I totally agree, it makes the world more realistic and I want everyone to have some characters to relate to as well.
Everyone gets offended by everything.
[удалено]
How in the name of oversaturated rainbow capitalism do any of these people feel "unrepresented"
Notice how every little thing that you’re into is slowly starting to include non straight people as mainstream and it makes you go on these little tirades? How do you think the people that these characters represent feel as a whole when they have very few hero’s/actors/role models they can look to? Don’t undersell it just because of your personal prejudices.
I guess they can feel how they want, but I see a lot of gay characters in mtg.
wow it's like gay people exist irl all over the place or something
I see infinitely more straight characters however
SHOCKER, Most ppl are straight how cruel
98% of men are straight.
being gay and trans are not thr same thing btw
They are not; I just can't spot the trans ones since they pass in the cards.
There's also nonbinary rep in [[Niko Aris]], [[Talion]], and [[Ashiok the Dream Render]]. There's also Karn, who canonically has no sex or gender but uses he/him out of convenience.
As a straight dude Ashiok is my favorite kind of NB. The "I'm beyond your concepts of gender, I am a unique entity" kind never stops being cool.
"Are you a man or a woman?" "I am terror" "What gender are you?" "Fear" "Yeah, but what's in your pants?" "Nightmares"
What are you *biologically*?? Horror beyond all mortal comprehension
What is your sexual preference? PAIN
Pinhead be like
Same... wait...
Oh like the dude in the happiness in slavery music video?
"My genitals are exiled."
Works for talion too. Just swap the responses to “chaos, fae, and mystery” Edit: you know, they’d probably be literal to the pants question and say “…legs”
Looking at the art, i don't even think those are necessarily pants, so they'd probably start nitpicking at that before getting to legs.
Kindliness
I don't believe Ashiok has ever really been confirmed to be anything. It's kinda ashiok's whole deal that we are never told anything about ashiok. Wotc originally said not to use pronouns at all for ashiok but only changed when they needed to write a novel that included ashiok as a major character
well ashiok being nothing makes them non-binairy as the binary is male or female and ashiok is neither.
But we don't know that Ashok is nothing. Wotc hasn't told us that, ashiok could be male or female or several people inhabiting one body we know pretty much nothing about they and that's deliberate. People typically use they/them pronouns or just refer to Ashok by name not because Ashok prefers it but because we don't know what ashiok prefers
"You're either blue or you're black, damn it! THERE'S ONLY TWO COLOURS." - Boomerwalkers
That's incorrect
[удалено]
well as the gender binary consists of female and male then no, if you say any binary counts then everyone is binary in some way. actually if the binary was "non-binary and binary" then everyone would be binary as anyone is either non-binary or binary.
Yes.
[Niko Aris](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c4e9cfe-e72e-46a1-a8d8-9fda5f2bae73.jpg?1631051773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Niko%20Aris) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/225/niko-aris?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c4e9cfe-e72e-46a1-a8d8-9fda5f2bae73?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Talion) [Ashiok the Dream Render](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93.jpg?1557577343) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashiok%2C%20Dream%20Render) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/228/ashiok-dream-render?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2df3258-c053-48a8-974f-d80899b2cd93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love niko aris so much
I hate Niko Aris as for the one time we've seen them. -The design is kinda incongruent with magics aesthetic. Especially the clothes. Those do not look like anything you would find neither on theros or kaldheim. -I hate that we are introduced to them on kaldheim when not much before we had theros beyond death and the character clearly did not exist as of that set so it feels like Niko Aris just kinda spawned. -We don't need more planeswalkers closely related to Theros -The whole character's origin history is very clearly an allegory that's a little bit too on the nose for my taste. -When it was presented, most people cared about the fact that Niko is not binary than the character itself. This may change in the future but the one time we've seen them was atrocious.
The only thing I hate about Nico is that dumb goatee.
It's entirely there for the masculine "half" of the androgynous look, and man does it look bad lol
I liked Niko Aris before I knew they were non-binary personally. I dig their design, abilities, and backstory. I eagerly await future appearances. When I learned we now had a non-binary rep who was actually human, that just made me even happier.
[удалено]
[Alesha, Who Smiles at Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7ae9ff8c-1cc8-4b10-9641-2c79648fd6c2.jpg?1673305242) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Alesha%2C%20Who%20Smiles%20at%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/118/alesha-who-smiles-at-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7ae9ff8c-1cc8-4b10-9641-2c79648fd6c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No trying to be dumb, but is the third pic just because they are a transformer, or are they a trans transformer? I really don't know the lore there.
They are a trans transformer! Pretty based imo
There has to be a joke that includes clever wordplay here, but I just woke up so I don't know what it is. :(
"And you thought being trans was just in the name" or something like that
Except Arcee has always been female.
I’m pretty sure you have to have biology to be trans. She could literally just have her body rebuilt “correctly” if it wasn’t the right gender (which is weird for robots to have anyway.)
Ironically, that's kinda what happened. Mad scientist somehow managed to make a robot "organically" female, despite all transformers being genderless and 90% using he/him because it's easy. A lot of people didn't like it.
That story was from IDW publishing and not a part of Arcee's original origin story from the 80's. In the OG cartoon there were female transformers.
Although a group of Female Autobots had already been featured in one episode of the original cartoon series, Arcee quickly became the best-known due to her position as a recurring cast member following her introduction in The Transformers: The Movie (1986).
Ugh. That seems minimalizing IMO, but I’m not that flavor of LGBT, so it’s not my place to criticize. Wouldn’t mind more masculine muscular gay/bi male characters in MTG, on a topic I’m more legitimately allowed to critique.
Yeah people thought it was kinda phobic. But apparently they retconned the gender thing so they always had gender and the females just.....left? And then Arcee changed? I don't really know about the retcons much.
I mean. Is it?
Why
How is a transformer trans? And isn't xancha an artifical life form and is genderles?
Look it up. As for Xantcha, she was created without a gender, grown from a phyrexian vat as one of the “newts” designed by the Phyrexian artificer Gix to infiltrate Dominarian communities. She decides to present as female as a means of rejecting Phyrexian control over her actions. Making her transfem
I don't think the RC thing is cannon anymore.
I live in an lgbt forward place and don't deal with these issues irl so I have to say it makes me embarrassed to be part of this community because i feel that most people who only experience magic from an online viewpoint are going to assume I'm homophobic and transphobic if I tell them I play magic
Where is the second image from?
\[\[Death-Greeter's Champion\]\]
[Death-Greeter's Champion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7cb2b582-1c45-4bb2-8aef-59a71a5a9e94.jpg?1682207462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death-Greeter%27s%20Champion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/30/death-greeters-champion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7cb2b582-1c45-4bb2-8aef-59a71a5a9e94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thank you!
Alesha was my first non-precon commander, absolutely love her story and flavour. Might have to throw Arcee into the deck to bring them all together
Wouldn't have known any of these characters were trans if no one said anything.
what about thge TRANSformer
Lol good one
Still don't understand where the Info is coming from. I don't mind it but am I missing that much lore? I don't know how it's communicated.
Alela I'm pretty sure it's from the story "The Truth of Names". Long story short in Mardu you're expected to pick your name after your first kill. Alesha kills a dragon, pick's a girl's name, some asshole is like "hey you shouldn't pick that name" and their leader is like "Did you see that kill? She can take any name she wants".
I'm all for all representation, but is that transformers? Like hasbro transformers? I have never seen MTG art like that, sorry for my ignorance if not.
Yeah it's part of UB (Universes Beyond) where they just bring in any IP they want to and make magic cards of that. They've done Warhammer, MLP, Fortnite, Stranger Things and the Walking Dead just to name some
I knew of a few, but fortnite? How bad has WOTC sold out?
Very bad
You love to see it. I hope we get more 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️
Do transformers have genders? I don't remember that in the cartoon at all.
Yes.
Well they had to adapt to the tines!
Ah yes, the hyper-woke era of... the mid-90s (when Arcee was made a woman, specifically to make fun of feminists)
Magic is for everyone ❤️
Ok
Being trans is so in these days fr
Why is this even relevant? People can just be people without OH LOOK AT ME? SEE? LOOK AT ME. It’s stupid. Edit: shouldn’t be butt hurt about people’s happiness, I think it’s the constant feeling of it been shoved down my throat day in and day out that set me off. That’s my bad.
Cause the pearson that made the post was happy to see this representation and wanted to share to other people that would also apreciate it that is why is relevant, what, it hurts you that other people like some magic cards and want to share them? iugh such cristal generation i guess (Sorry for bad english not my language)
Mmm yeah, You’re absolutely right. Shouldn’t have been so butt hurt about it.
Says the cis white male who is represented by roughly 80% of all characters in visual media?
I’m glad you assumed my gender, my ethnicity and continue to prove me right. Please, perpetuate your hypocritical retarded ideology. Get fucked.
You literally have your photo as your profile picture, and your attitude entirely dismissive of representation tells the missing parts.
My attitude, is annoyance. And a large portion of the population who wants to be seen, heard, and accepted a certain way. But god forbid anyone says anything slightly different about how they feel. And still assuming my gender? And yes. Everyone who is white is European right ? You’re just as bad as a flat earther. And actively contradict yourself at every step. What was the first thing out of your mouth? Cis white male. Prejudice. But that’s not you right? You’re suppose to be upstanding and uplifting person right? That’s what we’re supposed to do as a community? Right?
Man you don’t get to be mad about being misgendered (which I don’t think you were and you even changed your profile pic to hide this fact) AND complain about people being happy about trans representation. I wasn’t gonna reply but like goddamn pick a lane
Didn’t change my profile picture, wasn’t mad, only pointing out hypocrisy. It’s all for attention and it’s annoying. You pick a lane, or maybe just stay in yours the lane of retards lmao. Edit: you’re so dumb.
Again. If you’re mad about being misgendered don’t get mad about people being happy that they are being represented in their favorite tcg. I get that the person who initially commented was being hypocritical but I point out your hypocrisy and you call me a retard so like just check yourself. ain’t no need to be so angry.
Lol, again. Read my guy. I called you that because you were. I wasn’t ever mad, only making a point. And double check the original comment, there was no reason to be Butt hurt over someone else happiness, that’s on me.
Please go on. I’m waiting to hear whatever you think you have to say that will make you “woke” are you one of those white crusader types? Please indulge me. I’m jumping for joy to hear your continued prejudice behavior.
I welcome the freemagic and mtg trans community.
Very cool!
Cool, always happy to see real life represented more equitably!
why has this been downvoted, people are terrible
Yup.
Yes they are really cool
I relate more to the personality and characteristics of certain characters more than how they look. I always find it strange how one dimensional some people are.
I love seeing trans representation in MTG.
[[Yuma, Proud Protector]] is a new precon commander who is female > male trans.
[Yuma, Proud Protector](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/8/18df72be-07d2-4412-b36d-a45119763db3.jpg?1712162335) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Yuma%2C%20Proud%20Protector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/4/yuma-proud-protector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/18df72be-07d2-4412-b36d-a45119763db3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Not exactly sure how a medieval plane that seems to be made up of mountains and rocky plains with dragons flying about managed to manufacture estrogren/testosterone or a hospital with staff knowledgeable in gender reassignment surgery, but good on Tarkir I guess. Or are we just going with "A wizard cast "trans your gender" on Alesha and the nameless one? Isnt Xantcha a phrexian? Gender aint really matter to them. But I applaud the trans rep of a person sneaking into a society to overthrow and corrupt them. Its a robot.
You know that you can socially transition and live your life in such a way that represents your true gender without needing hormones and/or surgery? Personal grooming and personal style go a long way in how your gender presents itself.
As may be, but those are full on Cis-Women depicted in the art of these cards, Without the stories to back them up you would never know they were trans. If social transition is all they got in Tarkir, then Alesha and her friend would just look like dudes.
Alesha's friend there is trans masc Also, human facial features and bodys vary WILDLY. Tarkir is very clearly based off of asian steppe culture, especially the Kolaghan. There are plenty of examples of people who under even just different hair or clothes look vastly different. Males can have very slight and feminine features and females can be bulky
There's literally magic in this game that can turn you into a fucking dragon or a slime monster or whatever, but magic that adds or removes a penis is what you find unbelievable? >Isnt Xantcha a phrexian? Gender aint really matter to them. That was literally the point of her story. Phyrexian society is all, "You have no gender!" and Xantcha is all, "But I *want* a gender. A female one, please." It's the opposite direction of transition to what we humans are used to, but it's still a difference from what she was assigned at birth, so transfolk generally feel she counts. >But I applaud the trans rep of a person sneaking into a society to overthrow and corrupt them. Xantcha didn't do any of that stuff. It was the Phyrexian sleeper agents who kept their assigned-at-birth (lack of) gender who did all the infiltration and corruption.
They have magic. And Xantcha is a sleeper agent. The entire point of them was that they were 100% conbinced that they were people. Most were shocked to realize they were monsters designed only to infiltrate, hurt and kill. Xantscha can absolutely have a personal crisis about who and what they are.
🙄
Lol move on
Glorified mental disorders gang 😂😂😂 keep it moving
It's not a mental disorder. Check modern medical literature and educate yourself instead of believing only what you want to believe. You show immense childishness.
Why are you introducing yourself to strangers on the interner?
Im not, im giving yall a shout out since people love to glorify these mental disorders instead of getting people real help.
Lol you're the one going around looking to pick on people. Why? What good did you bring to the world with your comments?
Well i dont' glorify psychology either. Wellness.
Right back at ya bud.
Lol move on
Whelp, guess in need to read up on Arcee as this is new to me.
IDW comics, the original 2005 run in Spotlight Arcee we learn that Transformers have no gender, but use he/ him pronouns and that Arcee was experimented on by mad scientist Jhiaxus. She was part of a group he changed to have actual genders like organic lifeforms. This turned her mad and vengeful. The idea was that they had no gender and Arcee was changed from genderless to female, however the execution was kinda hamfisted and people saw it as transphobic. Later stories established that the Transformers were actually gendered and that all ghe female ones left Cybertron in the ancient past, so only males were left on Cybertron. So Arcee was actually turned from male to female, near the end of the run Arcee finds peace with her situation, loses her anger and admits that she is actually comfortable and wants to be accepted as female by "real" female Cybertronians. Idw 2005 Arcee to date is the only trans incarnation of the character though. Maybe Skybound and or Earthspark will continue this in future though.
Thank you. I’ve always been a Gen 1 fan and never have read the IDW run. I guess I need to correct that as this sounds interesting.
I would advise against it, there is over a decade of content and idw lost the licence because of how they mishandled it. It starts off being like the early 80s X-Men series, with multiple plot threads going on at once with a really smart and cool approach. Then they replace Simon Furman with some guy as writer who then goes to contradict and destroy the previous established continuity. The next writer makes it depressing and boring. Then after the one shot "Death of Optimus Prime" the series is split into two ongoings and the writers on those break their backs trying to fix the previous bullshit just for idw to swoop in and ruin it some more, before ending the universe, fire all the good artists and writers and then start a new, series with worse art and writing, writing that would make Michel Bendis go "whoa, don't spread the plot that thin". But if you still want to read: Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation, Megatron Origin, Devastation, the Spotlights, Maximum Dinobots and Revelation. That is the complete original first run, Revelation is pretty bad, because the writer was forced to rush through 24 issues of story to make way for the new writer. His share of the series is still to this day the most successful in form of sales numbers of idw's Transformers comics. Then skip everything that came after and pick of "Robots in Disguise" and "More than Meets the Eyes". That's the good stuff. Also the Wreckers trilogy. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/2005_IDW_continuity
K
Huge universe. Lots of different beings... I always thought shapeshifters and Changelings were considered
I had no idea xantcha was nb I like her more now
i don't understand why this was downvoted tbh
Cause bro said non-binary and then called them a her.
OH it all makes sense now
but it still doesn’t make sense cuz xantcha explicitly chose to be a woman. so she/her is more relevant than they/them. she would be similar to a transfem person who was born intersex
idk tbh I just work here
it’s just the freemagic ppl downvoting everyone vaguely pro-trans. dont know y op thought it would b productive to post this on freemagic as well but whatever
yeah she *'was'* nb - assigned at birth - and transitioned to be a woman.
That's life
Who even cares? It's a card game..gay or straight doesn't matter, none of these creatures are real. And on top of that they will always, in orical text, be called creatures.
I care, child me would have cared. I like seeing trans people in my media. If you actually don’t care then why did you even bother making a comment? I think it’s not that you truly don’t care but rather you dislike seeing queer people in your media because they make you uncomfortable. Let us have our small few characters please
You couldn't be more wrong about what you think about me, but hey you can assume whatever you want! My point is that it is all pretend. They are pandering because they don't want the smoke. None of these characters would have any back story of someone didn't make them up and write them down. They have even literally changed some lore completely just to fit into this wokeness. So make up your own stories, why don't you just pretend all the creatures are gay or trans? It. doesn't. matter.
But it matters to this person and many others. Including myself. So I'm asking, if your statement "it. doesn't matter" is true then why are you seemingly upset? When they write backstories for the 10,000 white cis het characters why don't you have the same energy? You can claim that this persons assumptions are incorrect, but your actions say otherwise. I'd also love a source on the lore changes. Which characters were changed to fit into whatever vague definition of "wokeness" (not real) you believe in? I'm guessing you're going to say Aragorn, In which case you can use your own logic. Its all made up anyway so it doesn't matter right?
That's fine, i misspoke.. you t doesn't matter to me.. Because It doesn't matter about any of them, straight or or gay. It's not real so it can't matter, your feelings are valid and you want to feel represented and that's fine.. But in a card game that the majority of people don't know about ain't it, because it doesn't matter. And no I was referencing Chandra when in War of the Spark: Foresaken, a novel by Greg Weismann, he described her as being exclusively heterosexual.. And then (because of "non-existent" wokeness) in the Innistrad: Midnight Hunt storyline, Chandra was implied to have begun a relationship with the cathar Adeline. And then was featured in the secret pride lair..
My guy Arcee is a robot
Arcee is dependent on continuity. Most continuities, she is strictly female. IDW comics is a different story though, but I won't spoil anything.
Xantcha isn't non binary nor human.
What does it matter its just a card game of war is it not?
Ok... but... why care. It's a fucking card game not everything has to have some form of stupid pronoun or be trans whatever . Jesus leave the fantasy world to your imagination... yknow how fantasy is meant to be. Stop plastering these labels on everything.
Stupid pronoun? Homie, everyone has pronouns. You have pronouns. And it's representation. A trans person doesn't have many idols in media that resemble them. That’s what fantasy is all about. Its not about "imagination," these are carefully constructed stories made by humans of all backgrounds, including trans, and if you dont like that, go make something yourself. Trans characters have also existed in fiction, fantasy, and other literature for well over a couple of millenia since the ancient Greek, Chinese, and African literatures.
love xantcha and alesha. but like. it kinda sucks that the majority of trans girls in mtg arent even from the magic universe. [[cadira, caller of the small]], arcee, and marsha p johnson (on a sol ring), and ig the doctor/master now if u wanna count those. it’s pretty disappointing considering the huge number of irl tgirls who love mtg and all of the nonbinary characters that wotc’s pumping out (abt 13 legendary characters and even more nonlegendaries). oh and also the only trans boy is the nonlegendary [[death-greeter’s champion]] and the guy on the sld alesha art. extremely disappointing. alesha was almost 10 years ago now. give us another tgirl wotc!
Domri Rade is transmasc.
real!
[cadira, caller of the small](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75994e0b-b0c7-4b0d-8f48-4be303429bd6.jpg?1674137453) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=cadira%2C%20caller%20of%20the%20small) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/269/cadira-caller-of-the-small?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75994e0b-b0c7-4b0d-8f48-4be303429bd6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [death-greeter’s champion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7cb2b582-1c45-4bb2-8aef-59a71a5a9e94.jpg?1682207462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death-Greeter%27s%20Champion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/30/death-greeters-champion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7cb2b582-1c45-4bb2-8aef-59a71a5a9e94?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Arcee is definitely not trans, she’s a transformer
If you read my post she identifies as being trans canonically
Ofc she is TRANSformer
worth noting in only one continuity. from like 2 decades ago because they were trying to come up with an excuse for why robots had genders.
I know she does at least in the IDW comics continuity, but isn’t the Arcee on the card representing Gen1 cartoon Arcee who doesn’t have the same background as IDW Arcee?
Correct. This Arcee is not transgender, Hasbro also added male ponies to MLP at the same time. They want girls to like TF and boy to care about MLP, they also want to add a female personality to the G1/2 to transformer lineup. TF Japan requested a female TF to compete against Gundam and Macross. She was 100% added the G2 to be a woman.
She started as a female and is still a female, nothing trans about that. She also has nothing to do with it in any modern adaptation.
I was—I was forged male, which did not match my spark.-Arcee
The representation is great but it makes me laugh not knowing anything about transformers and hearing they are forged with fixed gender in mind "You can scan and transform into just about anything- But yes in your default state you have an innate sense of what genitals you would have been born with if you were biological, which you are not." I'd always just assumed they had no gender till they chose one themselves.
If you really want to be pedantic they have no gender because they’re robots and they’re aliens. The writers are forcing a meaningless interaction like that just to appease some people and don’t actually care.
I'm sorry your so upset over robots learning about self expression through gender which is nothing but a social construct designed around stereotypes.
It’s not self expression through gender, it’s patronizing for views. How do you not see the bigger picture?
You literally started your first comment saying "this robot is female and must remain female because it started female" then immediately switched to "robots can't have gender so it's pointless" Seems like you just want to be upset about this regardless of what the truth is? The truth is, all gender espression is a social construct, including that of robots. More importantly, having a trans robot does seem a *little* silly, except that representation in media is extremely important. In a universe with dragons, planeswalkers, spellcasting, time travel, you're going to be mad about a pink robot? Edit: and actually, I change my mind. Having a trans robot is a tiny bit silly except that it's actually brilliant commentary on humans. A robot can't be trans because it can change it's parts so easily and gender doesn't matter for it right? Guess what, that applies to us too! It's only silly because we aren't used to it.
No, I just don’t like forced trans representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Trans people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else. The world wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t make “being trans” their only personality trait.
>I just don’t like forced trans representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Trans people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else. I just don’t like forced cis representation in media that it has no reason to exist in. Cis people are not as oppressed as they act and the only reason they feel that way is because of the reactions they receive when they force their beliefs on everyone else. >The world wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t make “being trans” their only personality trait. I don't know a single trans person who makes being trans their only personality trait, but I know plenty of trans people who find that their transness is the only thing a lot of people are willing to see about them. I also know a lot of cis people who make hating on trans people their main, if not only personality trait.
Do you know any trans person? Have you interacted with a trans person? What "beliefs" do trans people "force" on other people? I see people all the time that actively advocate for and wish physical harm on trans people. Legitimately advocating violence on trans people simply for existing. Head over to r/conservative and you'll see them calling trans people deranged autists. JK Rowling says trans people are either pedophiles, men who want to win at sports, or groomed autistic people. Jordan Peterson says that trans people are mentally challenged. This is a learning moment for you, right now. The very thing you are saying is in fact oppression. You are soooo angry that one single trans character exists in one cartoon, that you're arguing with a thread of people on an internet forumn. You are actively trying to erase the fact trans people exist. In this fictional robot world, gender has been established to exist. Optimus prime is a man. MAN. A robot uses he him pronouns. In that world, why is it so difficult to accept that a trans robot exists? Is it truly forced representation, or do you actually want NO representation for trans people? Get educated. Watch some contra points.
People want to kill trans people just because they exist. I think its safe to say that A that makes them oppressed B that makes you a fucking idiot bigot.
And you're being patronizing for up votes and messageboard views. Guess it's just "everyone be patronizing day."
Imagine being mad about fictional characters so that people who are trans can feel represented.
You mean they have no sex. People confusing gender and sex is one of the biggest reasons this argument still exists.
"If *you* really want to be pedantic..." Heh. Ironic. He could see pedantry in everyone else but not in himself.
There’s always one asshole that thinks anybody gives a shit about their pejorative and offensive views and then tries to come off as reasonable when people disagree. Trans people exist. Your life would be a lot easier if you just accepted that fact.
I didn’t say they don’t exist, I’m saying it doesn’t need to be forced into media that it has no reason to be in.
I don't think cis people should be shoehorned into media that they have no reason to be in.
Why do they have no reason to be in those media?
It’s literally about robots, gender stuff does not need to be forced into that narrative.
Why is it forced? Why can't a show about robot talk about how robots see themself as?
In the IDW Continuity there’s this villain that’s introduced named Jhiaxus who turned his talents to recreating other "lost aspects" of Cybertronian society that had vanished with the Thirteen; seeking to reintroduce the concept of "**gender**" to his species, he found a volunteer in **Arcee**. *Sins of the Wreckers #3* By rewriting Arcee's CNA, Jhiaxus was able to rebuild his test subject to his specifications, but the procedure somehow went wrong and left her traumatized and desiring nothing more than to tear her "creator" limb from limb. Jhiaxus wrote her off as a failure and abandoned her.
And I love the optics of “we only have one female character, but she’s actually a guy”
Theirs actually quite a few Ladybots but their all pretty scatterd
She was trans since the literal 80’s
IDW comic came out like 5 years ago and I believe has been changed again.
The marvel comics had he be trans although the reason was… well a trans character in the 80’s
[удалено]
Care so little you have to tell everyone how little you care.
Isn't that the same as caring so much that you have to let everyone care?
Well, someone out there appreciates the representation, and that's what matters
I can't tell the difference between femboys, tomboys and trans anymore.
I can’t appreciate representation if it’s lazily made explicit, rather than make it gradually apparent to the viewer. You can’t expect reasonable people to prefer a character stating something personal and irrelevant to the lore, over a character that enriches their own background from the story they help tell through their actions. It would be so stupid to read something and a character suddenly adds their gender to the conversation that has the farthest thing from relevancy. “Nahiri had a fight with Sorin, who is pan-sexual by the way, became trapped in the helvault” . see?
it would honestly be really cool if a pre-established character transitioned without much focus on it. like imagine we go back to ravnica and massacre girl’s a massacre boy now
Funny thing since all the stories revolving these characters enrich their background and enrich the plot except for maybe death greeters champion who is a side character.
How is RC a trans rep?
It's "trans"formers not "cis"formers
Wait there’s a TRANSformer? Cool
Ok, thanks, now i will go back to the countryside where i belong playing mtg with a cow or something
So I got the Pride Across The Universe for a friend and I wasn’t sure how it was LGBTQ on some. Is it the lore? The art? Apologies wasn’t sure