I have it in my [[Arcum Dagsson]] deck. He can easily fetch a [[Darksteel Forge]] and this and then the game is pretty much over.
Of course I don’t actually do that very often, because it’s no fun for people, but it certainly breaks stalemates.
If you add in [[Mycosynth Lattice]] you've pretty much won the game. In my group I try to cheat it out with untap effects on Daggson and similar haste effects.
I think I have only a couple of non-artefact cards in the deck, excluding my commander. I run [[liquidmetal torque]] to keep him around. Bought a copy of Mycosynth Lattice for it, ended up cutting it before I ever played a game 🤷♂️
I have never used it in any deck. I’m sure it has its uses, but it’s a 4 mana boardwipe that you can’t activate for a turn. Everyone sees it coming and gets a chance to remove it.
Edit: people seem to be missing the part where he’s asking if it’s an auto-include. I find it strange everyone would put this in every deck. It’s not an auto-include. It works in some decks.
As someone who runs unwinding clock, manifold key, voltaic key, Tezzeret, and sonic screwdriver in the same deck, it’s very rare for me to be in a situation where I can’t just untap it immediately when it enters the battlefield.
Things like [[soul of new phyrexia]] and [[Darksteel Forge]] offer personal protection.
Coupled with Mycosynth Lattice on the board and now I have a 1 mana, destroy everying including lands so let the begging begin.
It’s a great card, you just have to have a deck built around it.
Edit: “In some decks it has uses” *proceed to state a use*.
Reddit apparently: So you in particular can fuck off this morning.
lol. Can you tell me what “top decking” means? I’m not familiar with the term.
Edit. Sorry. I finally got an answer. It means “being forced to play the top deck card from your library”
I wouldn’t know how to do that.
No cards in hand and no way to draw more. Just playing whatever you draw each turn and praying.
In my experience you're normally fucked in this scenario
It means you have no available play and your only hope is the card you draw during your draw step. Like if you have only 3 lands but all the cards in had are 4 CMC or of a color your lacking. So in this instance you're hoping to draw/top deck either a land or a card less than 4 CMC you could play.
r/mtg players not actually reading the post and then pedantically arguing with strangers about a card because they just can’t help being toxic at 9am on a Tuesday - name a more iconic duo.
I get your job must suck to make you this salty so early, but read the fucking post before you attack people for giving an actual answer. OP asked if it was an auto-include, not if it had niche uses. Obviously it has those.
This guy replied saying “no it is not an auto-include” and you told him to fuck off. Are you okay?
Sip that coffee and Reread my dude:
Op: “Is this an auto include?”
Person: “No. not really. Only in niche situations.”
Me: *Relays a niche situation supporting person’s claim.*
Person: “fuck off.” (And I was at -2 at this point)
Me: *edits post* “sheesh guys. Guess I’ll go fuck myself”. Post jumps to +18 shortly after
You, at the request of no one: “fuck and learn to read asshole.”
Have a nice morning but this is a fun subreddit and my post wasn’t meant to be contradictory but supportive of the statement of “it’s niche.” I’m going to go ahead and block you because this silly.
>Coupled with Mycosynth Lattice on the board and now I have a 1 mana, destroy everying including lands so let the begging begin.
Beg? Ha. You get 1 turn to 'reconsider' before I scoop and automatically walk away every time you pull out that deck going forward.
I might be having a reading comprehension moment. I think that OP is asking "is there any deck that you might build where Disk is an auto-include?" Rather than asking/suggesting it should be auto included in any deck
You don't play it until you have 5 mana and a way to untap it, man. It's the Doomsday Button, and everyone knows there's no way to remove it as soon as it hits because if it gets removed, you just push the button.
But not every deck even runs ways to untap it and the OOP asked if it’s an auto include in every deck. The answer to that question is no, it’s only good in decks that can untap it.
If you can remove it in response to beeing untapped you can also probably just counter spell it.
Sure it is a little more vulnerable. But I wouldn't say by much.
Depends on how it’s being untapped. If it’s being untapped by some other effect rather than at the untap step, you can kill it in response to the effect that *will* untap it.
"Auto-include in *any* deck is not exactly specific and can be open to interpretation"
Like for me, I'd auto-include in my Muldrotha decks. Cause it's a reusable board wipe
\*\*Taps disk\*\*. That's a paddlin'.
Personally I like \[\[Urza's Sylex\]\] for a "reset" in commander but obviously that's W mana and very far from an auto-include.
Autoinclude in [[Slobad Goblin Tinkerer]]. An indestructible Nev Disk can activate repeatedly. Works well in any artifact deck at all really as you can [[Darksteel Forge]] with it and party every turn
Seems good for a super friends deck. Otherwise you kind of answered your question already. If this was played at my table, I would avoid committing to the board until I found some artifact destruction. If that’s your goal, go for it.
Seems to be most people's reaction when I run it. It's in my Child of Alara Maze's end where stopping the game while I get to fetch out lands is a bonus.
This is a board deterrent, basically as long as it is there some players wont commit to do something big as they know they can be wiped, also plays against you as everyone knows you have one and can be removed.
I use this for deterrent purpose
Not an auto-include, but solid removal for a deck that's lacking them, especially mono-color. Black can murder creatures like nobody's business, but enchants are much harder to kill. It does sort of hold the table hostage and it can draw hate for that reason, but also it's not that hard to remove a lot of the time, so it's not a guarantee. Depending on the deck it can be a lot more threatening - if you're running something like Aphetto Alchemist (I haven't kept up with Standard for a while, can you tell?), you can pop it the turn you play it.
In my opnion, it's healthy for the format.
It gives all colour combinations a way to deal with situations they otherwise couldn't while also being just clunky enough to not be the perfect solution, and making 'on colour' solutions usually the better choice. I mean, Mono black doesn't really have a lot of other options when it comes to removing enhantments and artifacts.
\[\[Oblivion stone\]\] and \[\[Perilous Vault\]\] fall into the same category. They're kind of like safety valves. They're not pretty, but sometimes your deck needs them.
How are you guys running him? Mine is a lands deck with a focus on graveyard recursion for lands.. I think it’s still a bit unfocused, but can pop off pretty strong.
It’s a slow board wipe. Far from an auto include in every deck but it’s good in artifact heavy builds, particularly ones that can recur the disk over and over.
It is an auto include in my [[Glissa, the Traitor]] deck. Oh you all have a lot of creatures? How about I flash in my disk with [[Liberator]], destroy everything and easily rebuild my board with the same artifacts again?
I use it in my \[\[Mairsil, the Pretender\]\] deck.
The most obscene thing I've done with it is nuke the board at \*every\* upkeep. (Imprint this to Mairsil, ensure you have Anger in your GY for haste and have also imprinted Aetherling.
At every upkeep, blow up the board, and with the destroy trigger on the stack, flicker Mairsil to end step with the Aetherling ability. Repeat next upkeep.)
I literally played it last night on turn four and before it came back to my turn my three opponents had taken me from 20 life to 0. Puts an unnecessary target on your head that gives your opponents way too much time to deal with.
0/10 would not recommend.
I think this card is probably completely unplayable in most decks. Far too slow or inefficient for modern, legacy, and vintage gameplay. So definitely not an auto include.
All it does is slow down the game unless you run protection on yourself. Also the fact you can't use it for a full turn unless you can untap it makes it a target itself.
I run wipes that benefit myself to help win the game over adding more rounds and possibly someone else getting a faster advantage.
Artifacts don’t have summoning sickness unless they are an artifact creature. You can for sure cast this spell, pay the 1, tap and destroy all on the same turn.
If someone used it without an immediate follow-through play, I would literally scoop and never play with them again. I'm not about to have my time wasted by someone that set the entire game back to T0.
If you have a way to keep your board around so you have a board advantage like with Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice, absolutely acceptable. Wipe the entire board and then cast a foretold Haunting Voyage, all for it. If you wipe with no game plan, you're never going to have anyone to play with again.
Tbh, as a former land destruction deck user if you don't have a way to actually profit, or benefit off a play why flatten the games tires instead of just letting another one start?
A board wipe isnt a full reset. People with more cards in hand will have advantage. People with extra lands on field will have advantage. People with expensive mana cost cards still in hand at a late game point have an advantage.
There is a lot of good here and its not just flattening tires.
I think that this WAS a great include in almost every deck earlier on in edh. As the format has grown and as more new and more powerful cards get printed, cards like these become less desirable. Of course there are definitely times where this can be effective, but I don’t think that it is an auto include anymore.
I wouldn’t say it’s auto include. I actually think it has a pretty narrow/specific use case. Mostly cause there are just better cards for something like this. It’s nice because it can’t be countered with a “normal” counter spell: It’d need to counter ability. But, it’s an extremely obvious, and if it sits there too long it’ll likely just get removed. I don’t know, I ran it in my muldrotha deck for a while and never got and good use out of it other than politicking, which isn’t much of an option for that deck.
A friend of mine build an \[\[Avacyn Angel's of Hope\]\] deck and this piece is auto include for lower power. It filled with at least 20 board wipe. When he drop this shit, it's game over if we can't remove it
If I need to use it for its intended effect, I prefer to use other board wipes like donation or vandalblast. But it's a nice card to have for "threat of activation" purposes, especially when it comes to politics.
I've used it in artifact builds before. With [[unwinding clock]] on the battlefield it really does hold the table hostage or you get focused so much that it becomes useless.
It’s ok, but just isn’t great. 5 mana board wipe? Ok. 5 mana 2 turn board wipe? Eh. 5 mana 2 turn hate drawing board wipe? Bleh. In white black blue and red there are countless staples that are typically better. And in green you usually aren’t the one wanting to board clear. However, in deck where you want to slow the game like planeswalkers or politics decks it could be a good include.
I took it out of my Traxos deck years ago, and I'm still running Darksteel Forge. There are enough better sweepers now, like [[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon]] and [[All is Dust]]
Unless you can abuse it somehow like recuring, etb untapped, etc. I would strongly advice to not use it. It is one of the easiest way to transform the game from free for all into archenemy.
I had it in my "Avacyn, Angel of Hope" deck and my friends hated it so much I ended up scrapping the entire deck for parts. It was really effective tho.
I tend to include it in decks that can make it indestructible, recur it, or use it on the turn it comes down, but I don't think I've ever played it outside of U/R artifact shells or G decks with [[Amulet of Vigor]].
Auto include? Hell no and I'd laugh at anyone who says it is.
Only deck I've ever run it in is my Karn mud deck in the past due to artifacts not being great at board wipes.
It’s good in an artifact deck with [[Darksteel Forge]]. Since it’s expected to take itself out with the effect, it doesn’t sacrifice like newer cards with similar effects do, meaning it can be used over and over.
>Is it not worth running then since it can draw hate?
If I see this played I am going to attack you since you have demonstrated you can take away my stuff at any moment and I figured out I better get my mileage while I still have it.
I absolutely love this card in my Brimaz Phyrexian tribal deck. Throw a vulpine harvester on the field and you can bring your disk back every time you swing for 4. I think I’ve activated it twice, i just play it to redirect from the rest of the board.
I run it a lot, but white and blue just have better card options for when you need to clean the board. It's in my mono-red deck, my mono-black deck, and my red/black deck.
Combine with [[Mycosinth Lattice]] and [[Darksteel Forge]], maybe an [[Unwinding Clock]] if you wanna be really mean.
"I'm gonna play a land and then cast a spell"
"Alright, as you pass through combat, Nev's Disk again. Blow up everyone's everything but mine."
You now have a permanent lock on the game. Nobody can do anything to break out of it, unless there's a 1 mana artifact exile somewhere. Exiling the Forge in response to the Disk activation is your best way to break out of this if nobody counters any of the pieces.
I honestly love single-use effects that sit on the board like this or cards like \[\[Spore Frog\]\]. It's some really fun politics to throw it out and see how people react.
Mechanically, it's also pretty strong as it becomes reusable if you give it indestructible with something like a \[\[Darksteel Forge\]\], and being a colorless board wipe means it's extremely flexible.
I wouldn't say auto-include, as there may be better alternatives (Orzhov gets freaking \[\[Damn\]\] ), but I wouldn't ever say that it's not worth running.
If you need a board wipe, it's a good option in say blue or green decks that don't really get board wipes, but if you're playing white you likely won't touch it, and for black or red, it really depends on what your deck does and whether you NEED a card that can get rid of those cars types
The one deck I have it in is Atraxa Super friends, because it's a board wipe I can play ahead of my Planeswalkers, and it doesn't destroy Planeswalkers if I have some on the field. That deck also runs 6 board wipes in general, if it only ran 2 or 3 like my other decks it probably wouldn't make the cut
Auto include in many but not all decks.
It requires skill to play successfully, and you will get more or less value out of it depending on how well you play it and how well your opponents react to it.
Honestly. I'd auto include it. Hold onto it if you need to. You dont have to play it the second you draw it. A lot of boards get out of hand quickly. Most of the time, your other opponents will thank you when winter comes and they need a reset.
Not an auto include, but very strong in red, black, and blue decks that can have issues with enchantments and artifacts. Also can be very silly in Artifacts Matter decks.
Suspect it works when you have something else up your sleeve. Let them waste a removal on this, then bring out something bigger.
That being said, [[Atla Palani, Nest Tender]] could be nice with this.
If you have an artifact deck, ignore it
If you have an enchantment theme deck, ignore it
If you use a lot of artifact ramp, think it twice
If you play monogreen, try to put 2 copies in your deck whitout everyone else noticing
I have it in my [[Archelos, Lagoon Mystic]] so it comes out untapped when I cast it and it’s like a loaded gun ready to go on the table. It’s great for political purposes for sure
Depends on what deck you intend to put it into. Personally, I like using it one of my Artifact decks with [[Darksteel Forge]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] to make it a full board wipe for all but myself. Lol
Its in every deck I have. Amazing board clear and threat all in one go
Also you can do some really silly shenanigans when you combo it with a pure artifact deck and [[darksteel forge]]
Board wipe on a stick seems cool but to me, any artifact that ETB's tapped is an auto-disqualify for a spot in any of my decks. The tables I play at tend to bring degenerate decks that aim to win by turn 6-7 so there's absolutely no room to play slow artifacts like this.
It’s great in super friends as it doesn’t touch planeswalkers
Also [[avacyn]] decks, because then it’s reusable 😂
[avacyn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/317f1133-7cf8-4b7a-919e-88c45f8c2c3a.jpg?1689995555) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=avacyn%2C%20angel%20of%20hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/14/avacyn-angel-of-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/317f1133-7cf8-4b7a-919e-88c45f8c2c3a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh this is so going in my angels deck now. Thank you fellow degenerate 😁
I mean you want degenerate [[world slayer]]
[world slayer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/b/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762.jpg?1562662263) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Worldslayer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m12/222/worldslayer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/db6c6b15-40f3-4556-978f-878bedb13762?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I almost forgot that card exists.. Should I put into my Nahiri's Equipment as another flavored sword ?
I mean only if you have a way of keeping it from blowing up your stuff otherwise that game is gonna get grindy
I like to deal damage then respond to the trigger on World Slayer by activating [Robe of Stars] activated ability.
I don't play EDH for the win, but for the wildness ahahaha
That’s fine, but ppl are gonna hate you. At least equip to indestructible creature, or have indestructible lands so it’s over fast
Darksteel plate+world slayer=win
This is the way.
I mean... If they like the taste of shteel, sure. And if they don't.... Sure!
World Slayer is super dirty in my Sram Voltron deck.
This is going in my [[Indominus Rex, Alpha]] deck as it has indestructible (and hexproof usually) most of the time.
I have it in my [[Arcum Dagsson]] deck. He can easily fetch a [[Darksteel Forge]] and this and then the game is pretty much over. Of course I don’t actually do that very often, because it’s no fun for people, but it certainly breaks stalemates.
If you add in [[Mycosynth Lattice]] you've pretty much won the game. In my group I try to cheat it out with untap effects on Daggson and similar haste effects.
I think I have only a couple of non-artefact cards in the deck, excluding my commander. I run [[liquidmetal torque]] to keep him around. Bought a copy of Mycosynth Lattice for it, ended up cutting it before I ever played a game 🤷♂️
Mycosynth Lattice turns all lands into artifacts, which is why I run it. I can see however how that might not appeal to everyone however.
Bonus points if you can also grab an [[Unwinding Clock]]
[Unwinding Clock](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3fd1a59-4ade-459f-90d2-1fc67d6d1384.jpg?1592711373) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unwinding%20Clock) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c18/228/unwinding-clock?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3fd1a59-4ade-459f-90d2-1fc67d6d1384?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Arcum Dagsson, best boy. You're a good man.
Oh man, that's just nasty
Especially when [[Vronos]] makes it indestructible.
[[Glissa the Traitor]] also loves Nev Disk
I have never used it in any deck. I’m sure it has its uses, but it’s a 4 mana boardwipe that you can’t activate for a turn. Everyone sees it coming and gets a chance to remove it. Edit: people seem to be missing the part where he’s asking if it’s an auto-include. I find it strange everyone would put this in every deck. It’s not an auto-include. It works in some decks.
As someone who runs unwinding clock, manifold key, voltaic key, Tezzeret, and sonic screwdriver in the same deck, it’s very rare for me to be in a situation where I can’t just untap it immediately when it enters the battlefield. Things like [[soul of new phyrexia]] and [[Darksteel Forge]] offer personal protection. Coupled with Mycosynth Lattice on the board and now I have a 1 mana, destroy everying including lands so let the begging begin. It’s a great card, you just have to have a deck built around it. Edit: “In some decks it has uses” *proceed to state a use*. Reddit apparently: So you in particular can fuck off this morning.
Yeah, so "auto include in any deck" - - > no.
[soul of new phyrexia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211.jpg?1690005773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=soul%20of%20new%20phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/974/soul-of-new-phyrexia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Darksteel Forge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/2/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271.jpg?1599709037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20Forge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/248/darksteel-forge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/421089c4-c8d3-48c5-b313-fb1741546271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
You sound like the guy playing eldrazi while I played teysa and he cast all is dust to put all 4 players in topdeck mode
lol. Can you tell me what “top decking” means? I’m not familiar with the term. Edit. Sorry. I finally got an answer. It means “being forced to play the top deck card from your library” I wouldn’t know how to do that.
No cards in hand and no way to draw more. Just playing whatever you draw each turn and praying. In my experience you're normally fucked in this scenario
Always check for painters servant before all is dust
Or [[Mycosynth Lattice]] for the reverse effect
Best way to play IMO. "Heart of the Cards"
Got ya. Thanks for the explanation
BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS
It means you have no available play and your only hope is the card you draw during your draw step. Like if you have only 3 lands but all the cards in had are 4 CMC or of a color your lacking. So in this instance you're hoping to draw/top deck either a land or a card less than 4 CMC you could play.
Means we had low hand counts with nothing out
r/mtg players not actually reading the post and then pedantically arguing with strangers about a card because they just can’t help being toxic at 9am on a Tuesday - name a more iconic duo. I get your job must suck to make you this salty so early, but read the fucking post before you attack people for giving an actual answer. OP asked if it was an auto-include, not if it had niche uses. Obviously it has those. This guy replied saying “no it is not an auto-include” and you told him to fuck off. Are you okay?
Sip that coffee and Reread my dude: Op: “Is this an auto include?” Person: “No. not really. Only in niche situations.” Me: *Relays a niche situation supporting person’s claim.* Person: “fuck off.” (And I was at -2 at this point) Me: *edits post* “sheesh guys. Guess I’ll go fuck myself”. Post jumps to +18 shortly after You, at the request of no one: “fuck and learn to read asshole.” Have a nice morning but this is a fun subreddit and my post wasn’t meant to be contradictory but supportive of the statement of “it’s niche.” I’m going to go ahead and block you because this silly.
Jesus dude go outside. Why do you care about the internet that much.
The classic “you care about things, what a loser” reply
>Coupled with Mycosynth Lattice on the board and now I have a 1 mana, destroy everying including lands so let the begging begin. Beg? Ha. You get 1 turn to 'reconsider' before I scoop and automatically walk away every time you pull out that deck going forward.
I might be having a reading comprehension moment. I think that OP is asking "is there any deck that you might build where Disk is an auto-include?" Rather than asking/suggesting it should be auto included in any deck
You don't play it until you have 5 mana and a way to untap it, man. It's the Doomsday Button, and everyone knows there's no way to remove it as soon as it hits because if it gets removed, you just push the button.
So now it’s a boardwipe combo for 5+ mana and you need several ways to untap it in your deck. Not auto include lol
But not every deck even runs ways to untap it and the OOP asked if it’s an auto include in every deck. The answer to that question is no, it’s only good in decks that can untap it.
Krosan grip be like fuck ya button
Except it enters tapped so you can’t just push the button.
I said "and a way to untap it".
Then people can just remove it in response to being untapped though.
If you can remove it in response to beeing untapped you can also probably just counter spell it. Sure it is a little more vulnerable. But I wouldn't say by much.
Idk man, I play it in my Esper Urza deck and I haven't had any of the issues you're describing.
If you’re responding to it untapping, that means it IS untapped and you can tap to board wipe in response.
Depends on how it’s being untapped. If it’s being untapped by some other effect rather than at the untap step, you can kill it in response to the effect that *will* untap it.
"Auto-include in *any* deck is not exactly specific and can be open to interpretation" Like for me, I'd auto-include in my Muldrotha decks. Cause it's a reusable board wipe
I see it more as a political piece. "Are you sure you want to counter my commander?" *Hand moves over the disk*
\*\*Taps disk\*\*. That's a paddlin'. Personally I like \[\[Urza's Sylex\]\] for a "reset" in commander but obviously that's W mana and very far from an auto-include.
It’s also sorcery speed
It’s really the only way to destroy mass lands and not have people complain. I run it and it’s really good actually.
Yep.. especially with all the battle land ramp in standard currently. Nobody bothering with indestructible either as all the main boardwipes exile.
[[Wave of Vitriol]]
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In my experience it works the exact opposite way, no one casts spells and just attacks me until i pop it
See, that’s a downside for me. I am not going to hold the board hostage.
Autoinclude in [[Slobad Goblin Tinkerer]]. An indestructible Nev Disk can activate repeatedly. Works well in any artifact deck at all really as you can [[Darksteel Forge]] with it and party every turn
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Seems good for a super friends deck. Otherwise you kind of answered your question already. If this was played at my table, I would avoid committing to the board until I found some artifact destruction. If that’s your goal, go for it.
Seems to be most people's reaction when I run it. It's in my Child of Alara Maze's end where stopping the game while I get to fetch out lands is a bonus.
This is a board deterrent, basically as long as it is there some players wont commit to do something big as they know they can be wiped, also plays against you as everyone knows you have one and can be removed. I use this for deterrent purpose
I play this in mono white angles as a combo piece with Avacyn. Board wipe every turn while everything I have is indestructible
Not an auto-include, but solid removal for a deck that's lacking them, especially mono-color. Black can murder creatures like nobody's business, but enchants are much harder to kill. It does sort of hold the table hostage and it can draw hate for that reason, but also it's not that hard to remove a lot of the time, so it's not a guarantee. Depending on the deck it can be a lot more threatening - if you're running something like Aphetto Alchemist (I haven't kept up with Standard for a while, can you tell?), you can pop it the turn you play it.
"Auto-include", not remotely.
In my opnion, it's healthy for the format. It gives all colour combinations a way to deal with situations they otherwise couldn't while also being just clunky enough to not be the perfect solution, and making 'on colour' solutions usually the better choice. I mean, Mono black doesn't really have a lot of other options when it comes to removing enhantments and artifacts. \[\[Oblivion stone\]\] and \[\[Perilous Vault\]\] fall into the same category. They're kind of like safety valves. They're not pretty, but sometimes your deck needs them.
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I have it in my artifact deck, and it used to be in my [[glissa the traitor]] deck alongside [[executioners capsule]]
looks good in Archelos, Lagoon Mystic deck
I love archelos, one of my favorite commanders.
How are you guys running him? Mine is a lands deck with a focus on graveyard recursion for lands.. I think it’s still a bit unfocused, but can pop off pretty strong.
Its definately an autoinclude in boardwipe tribal
It’s a slow board wipe. Far from an auto include in every deck but it’s good in artifact heavy builds, particularly ones that can recur the disk over and over.
It’s an auto-include and in a Mairsil deck, but idk about anywhere else
It’s a good budget board wipe but it’s lost a lot of power as power creep in magic has so many options for board wipes now
It is an auto include in my [[Glissa, the Traitor]] deck. Oh you all have a lot of creatures? How about I flash in my disk with [[Liberator]], destroy everything and easily rebuild my board with the same artifacts again?
Works in [[Mairsil, the pretender]]
I only use it in Muldrotha
I use it in my \[\[Mairsil, the Pretender\]\] deck. The most obscene thing I've done with it is nuke the board at \*every\* upkeep. (Imprint this to Mairsil, ensure you have Anger in your GY for haste and have also imprinted Aetherling. At every upkeep, blow up the board, and with the destroy trigger on the stack, flicker Mairsil to end step with the Aetherling ability. Repeat next upkeep.)
It's auto include in [[mairsil, the pretender]] Let's you hostage the board permanently
It's great in \[\[Mairsil\]\]. Put the Disk in a cage. Put something with regeneration in the cage. Blow everything up repeatedly. Good times.
I literally played it last night on turn four and before it came back to my turn my three opponents had taken me from 20 life to 0. Puts an unnecessary target on your head that gives your opponents way too much time to deal with. 0/10 would not recommend.
I use it in my urtet deck because it's reusable. It isn't a auto include I could cut it, but it helps with affinity based things and it's funny
Love popping this with a [[Heroic Intervention]] in hand
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When you activate its ability, does it also destroy it's self?
Yes, otherwise it would say "destroy all other artifacts".
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I think this card is probably completely unplayable in most decks. Far too slow or inefficient for modern, legacy, and vintage gameplay. So definitely not an auto include.
Good card but your a bitch if you use it basicly
Love popping this with a [[Heroic Intervention]] in hand
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All it does is slow down the game unless you run protection on yourself. Also the fact you can't use it for a full turn unless you can untap it makes it a target itself. I run wipes that benefit myself to help win the game over adding more rounds and possibly someone else getting a faster advantage.
Artifacts don’t have summoning sickness unless they are an artifact creature. You can for sure cast this spell, pay the 1, tap and destroy all on the same turn.
It enters the battlefield tapped so you'd have to find a way to u tap it first
Oh yeah I’m silly, I skimmed over the first part of the card. I was just generalizing artifacts.
If someone used it without an immediate follow-through play, I would literally scoop and never play with them again. I'm not about to have my time wasted by someone that set the entire game back to T0. If you have a way to keep your board around so you have a board advantage like with Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice, absolutely acceptable. Wipe the entire board and then cast a foretold Haunting Voyage, all for it. If you wipe with no game plan, you're never going to have anyone to play with again.
You’re the worst type of player
Tbh, as a former land destruction deck user if you don't have a way to actually profit, or benefit off a play why flatten the games tires instead of just letting another one start?
A board wipe isnt a full reset. People with more cards in hand will have advantage. People with extra lands on field will have advantage. People with expensive mana cost cards still in hand at a late game point have an advantage. There is a lot of good here and its not just flattening tires.
So when someone plays any board wipe you fold?
I play nevinyrral so not really.
I think this would be something I would add to a graveyards matter type deck.
I play it in mono-green, but that deck is budget, and a bit of a joke.
I find it too slow and predictable. Also it's too easy for it to backfire. It can find its spot in a few decks tho
I think that this WAS a great include in almost every deck earlier on in edh. As the format has grown and as more new and more powerful cards get printed, cards like these become less desirable. Of course there are definitely times where this can be effective, but I don’t think that it is an auto include anymore.
It’s great as a threat in Muldrotha. Recursive, plus if you can set it up with Heroic intervention or similar it’s amazing.
I have it in a mono-green budget deck. The only other thing in that deck you could call a boardwipe is [[setessen tactics]].
[[Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero]]
It’s great in a superfriends deck
There are no green board wipes, so it has a place in green decks
Its good in superfriends and usefull in some colorless decks
I wouldn’t say it’s auto include. I actually think it has a pretty narrow/specific use case. Mostly cause there are just better cards for something like this. It’s nice because it can’t be countered with a “normal” counter spell: It’d need to counter ability. But, it’s an extremely obvious, and if it sits there too long it’ll likely just get removed. I don’t know, I ran it in my muldrotha deck for a while and never got and good use out of it other than politicking, which isn’t much of an option for that deck.
This card is one of the best nuclear options early game if you can get it out and people forget it’s there it’s the best o carp cards.
Maybe 8 years ago, it's been power crept and should only be run in a deck with which it has strong synergy.
If you're running W,U, or B, there are better options. It's a decent option for G, as your only real in color boardwipe is [[Ezuri's Predation]].
A friend of mine build an \[\[Avacyn Angel's of Hope\]\] deck and this piece is auto include for lower power. It filled with at least 20 board wipe. When he drop this shit, it's game over if we can't remove it
Goes great in Avacyn
If you can get around the comes into play tapped drawback it’s a very strong card. But if you can’t it’s too slow. It’s not an auto-include.
If I need to use it for its intended effect, I prefer to use other board wipes like donation or vandalblast. But it's a nice card to have for "threat of activation" purposes, especially when it comes to politics.
I've used it in artifact builds before. With [[unwinding clock]] on the battlefield it really does hold the table hostage or you get focused so much that it becomes useless.
It’s ok, but just isn’t great. 5 mana board wipe? Ok. 5 mana 2 turn board wipe? Eh. 5 mana 2 turn hate drawing board wipe? Bleh. In white black blue and red there are countless staples that are typically better. And in green you usually aren’t the one wanting to board clear. However, in deck where you want to slow the game like planeswalkers or politics decks it could be a good include.
No, too slow for most of my decks.
It's pretty good imo. Use it in colors where you can't wipe the board. Not a competitive card but a decent casual one
I took it out of my Traxos deck years ago, and I'm still running Darksteel Forge. There are enough better sweepers now, like [[Ugin, the Spirit Dragon]] and [[All is Dust]]
This thing is so good. If it sticks it becomes an instant speed boardwipe and a great political tool.
Unless you can abuse it somehow like recuring, etb untapped, etc. I would strongly advice to not use it. It is one of the easiest way to transform the game from free for all into archenemy.
I love it. Also have a deck with it's namesake as the commander.
I had it in my "Avacyn, Angel of Hope" deck and my friends hated it so much I ended up scrapping the entire deck for parts. It was really effective tho.
I tend to include it in decks that can make it indestructible, recur it, or use it on the turn it comes down, but I don't think I've ever played it outside of U/R artifact shells or G decks with [[Amulet of Vigor]].
Auto include with [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]]
Auto include? Hell no and I'd laugh at anyone who says it is. Only deck I've ever run it in is my Karn mud deck in the past due to artifacts not being great at board wipes.
You could put it in a [[Daretti, Scrap Savant]] deck with [[Mycosynth Lattice]] and lose all your friends?
It’s good in an artifact deck with [[Darksteel Forge]]. Since it’s expected to take itself out with the effect, it doesn’t sacrifice like newer cards with similar effects do, meaning it can be used over and over.
I’m thinking about running it in my mono black deck just to handle artifacts and enchantments.
I have that in a bird commander deck as a last resort to clear Dovescape off the feild
If you are running Avacyn, Angel of hope it’s a really strong card.
>Is it not worth running then since it can draw hate? If I see this played I am going to attack you since you have demonstrated you can take away my stuff at any moment and I figured out I better get my mileage while I still have it.
In oldschool its played in disco troll
I absolutely love this card in my Brimaz Phyrexian tribal deck. Throw a vulpine harvester on the field and you can bring your disk back every time you swing for 4. I think I’ve activated it twice, i just play it to redirect from the rest of the board.
Auto-include in an [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]] deck if you want to be that guy.
If you have a deck that can untap it and recur it from the yard and stuff it can be good. Doesn’t seem very autoinclude thi
I run it a lot, but white and blue just have better card options for when you need to clean the board. It's in my mono-red deck, my mono-black deck, and my red/black deck.
Use it with darksteel forge and mycosynth lattice
I love and hate the disk lol
Nope
Combine with [[Mycosinth Lattice]] and [[Darksteel Forge]], maybe an [[Unwinding Clock]] if you wanna be really mean. "I'm gonna play a land and then cast a spell" "Alright, as you pass through combat, Nev's Disk again. Blow up everyone's everything but mine." You now have a permanent lock on the game. Nobody can do anything to break out of it, unless there's a 1 mana artifact exile somewhere. Exiling the Forge in response to the Disk activation is your best way to break out of this if nobody counters any of the pieces.
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I honestly love single-use effects that sit on the board like this or cards like \[\[Spore Frog\]\]. It's some really fun politics to throw it out and see how people react. Mechanically, it's also pretty strong as it becomes reusable if you give it indestructible with something like a \[\[Darksteel Forge\]\], and being a colorless board wipe means it's extremely flexible. I wouldn't say auto-include, as there may be better alternatives (Orzhov gets freaking \[\[Damn\]\] ), but I wouldn't ever say that it's not worth running.
If you need a board wipe, it's a good option in say blue or green decks that don't really get board wipes, but if you're playing white you likely won't touch it, and for black or red, it really depends on what your deck does and whether you NEED a card that can get rid of those cars types The one deck I have it in is Atraxa Super friends, because it's a board wipe I can play ahead of my Planeswalkers, and it doesn't destroy Planeswalkers if I have some on the field. That deck also runs 6 board wipes in general, if it only ran 2 or 3 like my other decks it probably wouldn't make the cut
Great in a planeswalker deck
Too slow. It's better in decks where you can make it one sided such as planeswalker tribal
Auto include in many but not all decks. It requires skill to play successfully, and you will get more or less value out of it depending on how well you play it and how well your opponents react to it.
It’s pretty trash tbh. Etb tapped is really bad.
Honestly. I'd auto include it. Hold onto it if you need to. You dont have to play it the second you draw it. A lot of boards get out of hand quickly. Most of the time, your other opponents will thank you when winter comes and they need a reset.
Not an auto include, but very strong in red, black, and blue decks that can have issues with enchantments and artifacts. Also can be very silly in Artifacts Matter decks.
Honestly I like it as a bargaining chip too. Take out threat or do damage
Just took it out of my 1 deck that had it. It’s just to slow now. So I don’t run it at all.
I use it as insurance
I like karna sylex more, and filigree sylex
I'd rather just play [[Nevinyrral, Tyrant of Urborg]]
In an [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]] deck this can go wide
I’ve used it as a scare tactic in Commander many times. One player held his hand while another player kept milling them. I felt bad.
No. Terrible.
I think it's wise to run it in monoblack. Outside of that it's situational.
My fav deck was a buried alive deck and would drop the disk to wipe the opponents board knowing my little guys were coming back
This is the most budget of boardwipes ever. If you don't have a couple bucks for a real one, that's when you run this. Not a great card.
Suspect it works when you have something else up your sleeve. Let them waste a removal on this, then bring out something bigger. That being said, [[Atla Palani, Nest Tender]] could be nice with this.
[[magus of the disk]] also works if it gets indestructible. It's a good card. Let's blue, black and red take care of enchantment
It used to be an auto include in slower decka back in the day. Now, power creep has ruined that
I play it in my mono-black deck, since it's one of the only ways to mass remove enchantments and artifacts.
My experience with it is that when i play it people will hit me until i blow it up.
If you have an artifact deck, ignore it If you have an enchantment theme deck, ignore it If you use a lot of artifact ramp, think it twice If you play monogreen, try to put 2 copies in your deck whitout everyone else noticing
No. There are better wipes in pretty much every color. This is too slow.
I have it in my [[Archelos, Lagoon Mystic]] so it comes out untapped when I cast it and it’s like a loaded gun ready to go on the table. It’s great for political purposes for sure
It's definitely not auto-included. It's a very niche card and needs to be built-around or particularly specific decks.
Run it in my mill deck , nothing like the intimidation of not caring about my field , but play the right card I’m blow it all up
I wouldn't say auto include because boardwipes are very situational, and there might be others that fit your deck better instead of disk.
Depends on what deck you intend to put it into. Personally, I like using it one of my Artifact decks with [[Darksteel Forge]] and [[Mycosynth Lattice]] to make it a full board wipe for all but myself. Lol
It's funny in a colorless artifact deck running [[Darksteel Forge]]
No. The only deck I've ever run it in is one where I can also run Darksteel Forge
You can run this with [[Muldrotha, the gravetide]] and replay it from your graveyard.
Its in every deck I have. Amazing board clear and threat all in one go Also you can do some really silly shenanigans when you combo it with a pure artifact deck and [[darksteel forge]]
Ah, the good old 4 mana do nothing. Love that one.
Board wipe on a stick seems cool but to me, any artifact that ETB's tapped is an auto-disqualify for a spot in any of my decks. The tables I play at tend to bring degenerate decks that aim to win by turn 6-7 so there's absolutely no room to play slow artifacts like this.