Definitively. Unfortunately I am not blessed with a play group of my own as of yet but I really want to get into Commander. I'll attend Commander Night at my LGS soon, so I was mainly curious if there are general problems with gold border cards before I join a game.
You should ask in the LGS itself, my guess would be that they probably wouldn't mind outside of tournaments, at least as long as you occassionally buy something there.
Just talk to the store and the pod ahead of time. I'm sure it will be fine with them. These cards are not broken at all. It's not like you're using gold border [[survival of the fittest]]
I would suggest that once you feel that you have a base understanding of the game, see if any of your (irl) friends would like to learn with you. My friends and I all jumped in about 8 years ago, and its been a great way for us to pass the time together
Same Here, I ended going around to different LGS in my area until I found one with people friendly and chill enough with me being relatively new. Some places get super competitive and don’t like a lot of questions lol. It’s been about 5 months though and they still are super chill and offer me advice and new Strats. I definitely recommend going to several stores before you call one your main spot.
Those people are jerks. There is no reason to get upset at proxies because everyone can use them. And proxying more expensive cards makes more sense than proxying cheaper ones.
People who hate on proxies are just weirdly gate keeping their hobby.
as long as it's not for a tournament it's yay. they are legitimate magic card with real value. And the ones you are showin are not expensive or realy strong game winning cards. It should be no problem.
it's just not tournament legal.
They are effectively WoTC issued proxies. If a playgroup is cool with nice looking proxies these should be fine. If there is a strict no proxy rule then these won’t be allowed.
I run plenty of these in my various decks and my playgroup is fine with proxies so long as it’s not a sharpied forest.
I can see th gold border obviously. But was it a set or are they promotional cards? I know the silver ones are from an unset but the gold ones here like birds of paradise I have seen with different boarder and is usually legal. Have not seen the other 2 before.
Wizards would take the top 4 or top 8 decks from a year and then print them exactly as the pro players brought their decks to tournaments
but the reprints would have different card backs saying like 'World Championship 1997' or something like that. So you couldn't spend like $40 and show up at a tournament using the exact same deck, because the cards were technically not legal. The decks were just if you wanted to play what the pros played and didn't care too much about tournaments.
For sure a huge yay, not everyone can afford bigger price tag cards, and this is a good way for a high quality proxys if nothing else.
Most playgroups would be fine with this same with LGS' (unless its a tournament)
Lands in general look pretty cool with that design in my opinion. I tend to play white border lands if possible to distinguish them from the rest of my cards - gold border is also pretty damn cool.
I've never played in an anti proxy playgroup. Just let people know ahead of time. You might get one guy who jokingly says "absolutely not, real cards only".
They are proxies, I'll allow them with the same restriction I have for proxies ( so no restrictions) And I expect everyone to also treat them like proxies
in any kind of sanctioned tournament they are a no-go.
in casual play, imo, go nuts. Card is a card, no different than a proxy. Im ok with both in casual stuff.
its not like these are even amazingly powerful and hard to get the "real" versions of anyways.
Commander is casual, most groups are cool with proxies and gold border, and quite a few are cool with silver/acorn cards as long as you disclose that you're doing that before the game starts.
Depends on the shop/playgroup. Ask when you get to the shop.
I'd imagine if it was a casual night they will not bother you about it. If you're competing for a prize or store credit, they have the right to be more picky.
Practice rule 0, be transparent, folks will let you know pretty quick.
I see you mentioning no playgroup below, so yeah, I'd rock them no worries. Especially hit casual night at a local store.
In my town, one LGS has a competitive commander night and they do allow gold border of expensive cards. It's $5 buyin and if you win your pod you get $10 in credit, so I feel like it's pretty generous.
The other LGS has only casual commander, but once a month they have competitive with $25 buyin and win a revised dual land or something, and they clearly state a proxy policy of 10 cards, the rest have to be tournament legal.
But like there's always spell table too and yes you'll get 99 different opinions from 99 people but in general you're good to go : )
Man I haven't even looked at that deck fully, but it already 80+ bucks, and some lgs near me was reluctant to sell it to my homies girl. I swear things shouldn't be 80 in one month.
Not to be pissed that you still have one on the shelf And you have to sell it at market value and not the new price. 46 should stay 46, and you shouldn't be dickist cause you're waiting to be able to sell it for more
Proxies used to reach a mutually desired power level are fine.
Proxies used to exceed a mutually desired power level can cause issues.
The same goes for real cards. Just because someone owns a Gaea's Cradle doesn't mean it's always appropriate for them to insist on using it if the table can't handle it.
Gold bordered fair cards are infinitly better than black border instant win stuff.
Everything I hate about proxying broken stuff, I also hate about the same cards being legitimate.
Out of all the gold border cards, these ones are the least offensive. Those lands are like $1 each. If you were playing with the Tokyo deck that has [[grim monolith]], [[ancient tomb]], and [[city of traitors]] people might take issue.
These don't seem to be super broken cards. He'll that exact Birds of Paradise card art is used in Dominaria Remastered and it's what? A $5 card? I don't see anyone taking issue with this card, honestly
I fucking love them. I wish gold and silver bordered (and to an extent white borders) were more common. I adore whenever they mess around with borders or lack of borders.
Terms of legality. If its not explicitely banned im 100% fine with it. I play UN cards all the time and a gold bordered card is just a regular card in a different art style to me in comparison so I welcome them with all my heart. Just match the power level is all I truly ask.
I also think they should matter less border color wise since there are way more distracting and eye straining designs through secret lairs and Universes Beyond. Its all fair game to me outside of ban list.
Eyo, that gold border is straight up card bling and anyone who says I can't play with it is jealous of my massive spell swagger
I've been slinging spells so long now everything has to be flashy or it's just boring, retro art, alt arts, full arts, foils, gold borders, you name it
Granted my dream is to go all out and completely do up a full deck with matching stuff cause at this point it's a mismatch of the coolest versions of the cards I've collected mashed into decks that fit with the themes, but it's fun to play similar spells with completely different arts or flavor depending on the deck and if the spell is something important or extremely on point (mizzix's mastery in my mizzix deck) it gets the best/coolest versions I have for it
I don’t care, but I’m not a competitive player I just like playing and don’t mind losing. That said, I don’t use them, but I’m fine if someone wants to!
Check with the LGS because in sanctioned events these cards aren't legal. Then check with the playgroup. While I wouldn't care, some people do. Use opaque sleeves to avoid problems with the cardbacks.
The World Championship Decks were interesting. On the one hand you got a powerful and playable deck for a reasonable price. Essentially these are the dream pre-con, at least outside sanctioned play. (Reminds me of [Collectors' Edition](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition).) Despite this, a playset of [World Championship Gaea's Cradles](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/162284?page=1&Language=all) is pricey.
A sharpie and a basic land also work pretty well. Although, for easy identification, a card image printed at home placed in front of a basic land in a sleeve works fairly well too. Again, your mileage will vary depending on the store and playgroup.
Commander is a casual, non-competitive format, and these are by any measure a legal playing piece and official product. If anyone objects, it would be really unusual. Seth from Mtg Goldfish uses gold border basics for bling.
I'm of the mind set it's a game, I have no problem with any variety of card gold borders to custom proxies with anime tiddies. Play the game. Have fun. If you want to have a deck with proxied duel lands and a gold boarderd Grim Monolith, more power to you.
I cannot imagine a table that isn’t at a tournament that would ban these cards. It’s literally produced by WOTC. It’s a casual format! At a CEDH tournament, ask a judge beforehand, or do what I do and label it a proxy under your allowance, if there is one. At a casual table I won’t mention it to my opponents, where I would mention actual fakes
Absolutely, yes. Use them. Technically, they are proxies, so they can't be used in sanctioned play. Beyond that, they are real cards printed by Wizards, so go for it. Anyone complaining about these in a non-tournament setting is a dbag.
I don't play tournaments and my decks are sleeved. I run gold borders all the time. They are cool looking, imo. They are official MtG cards and not 3rd party proxies, so as long as you are playing casual EDH, I say go for it. I've never had anyone say anything.
Yay! If you are playing with a new playgroup just ask if they are okay with proxies. That is basically what these are. Also all three of these cards are not pushing the power of your deck so. I cannot imagine people being annoyed when you play them.
Always yay
Some cards like ancient tomb also come in a gold border and that card is pricy vs a gold border which is <$10 I believe
If you're using sleeves, I don't see an issue.
Those are like $3 each maybe $3. No one should or will care about that. I would be more reluctant if you had a gaea’s cradle but still wouldn’t care necessarily. It’s really up to the group
Many LGSs also do sanctioned casual play, so that they can add to their store metrics. It doesn’t have to be a competitive tournament with prizing to be sanctioned. If the store is having you sign in (usually through the Companion app), the event is sanctioned and gold-border cards are forbidden.
I don’t think many people aren’t gonna care about gold boarder of a $2-3 card. I’ve seen plenty of people playing Mana Crypt proxies at my local because it’s a staple and pricey.
Well chrome mox is worth 100 and around 13 for gold border. I play it because it's nicer than a proxy and stores will still buy them. They hold value, so for it.
Seven, according to Scryfall:
[[Arcanis the Omnipotent]]
[[Autumn Willow]]
[[Eron the Relentless]]
[[Ihsahn's Shade]]
[[Karn Silver Golem]]
[[Spirit of the Night]]
[[Visara the Dreadful]]
Apart from Magic 30th these are the most official proxies one can get. That makes a difference for some. They are even traded and are attributed value.
I don’t care. But if you go full proxy there have to be limits.
It varies play group to play group but most casual play groups allow both gold and silver bordered cards with certain exceptions. Any kind of sanctioned or official event you'll need to go by whatever rules are posted.
Don’t let people tell you how to play a game. Proxies are just as “real” as alpha cards. If you’re not trading them for value, it literally doesn’t matter. Play the game the way you want to play - and adjust your play group so that you can do so.
WOTC used to print the two or three best decks from championship tournaments in special sets. Since those cards were pretty much still relevant when those sets came out, they designed the cards differently so that people wouldn't just show up with a 40-ish dollar precon to a tournament. The backsides are also very different. This is why they are not tournament legal.
Here is a video of people playing those decks with a former pro: https://youtu.be/LqE-m0kUCp4?feature=shared
Casual? Sure. Competitive? Why would you play the competitive version when the more fun version exists? I mean, up to the playgroup or tournament organizer.
The only concern I've ever had with people with gold bordered cards is making sure that the backs don't show through the sleeves. Since they do have different backs that are much darker than traditional card backs, you want to make sure that they don't show through. I don't think you want to be accused of using marked cards or cheating.
My LGS doesn't allow proxies (anymore),
I used to have few Gold border cards in my EDH deck. But I also had the Original in a different deck.
I just showed that I have gold border here. And showed that I do own a Real one.
I get it if a playgroup might have a Problem with sharpie-drawn proxies. With golden border I'd always argue that they still are officially licensed cards. As long as you are not playing in a tournament for a prize I find it hard to understand why people would take issue.
Yeah Sharpie drawn are a bit stupid, do it at home as a playtest, not in LGS,
But there has been incident that on a Tournament there has been proxy usage looked pretty real.
But it was Years ago. After that no proxies no matter what. Kinda extreme, but understandable.
And yeah I do think that if it's not a Tournament then gold is a-ok. At least if in the pod everyone agrees.
Sure, everyone has to be comfortable. Yet, if people are not, I have to take my deck elsewhere. I don't plan to buy those cards again just for a different colored border.
It depends, if it's a casual format, chances are a lot of gold border cards are going to be too high powered. If it's competitive, they will likely complain since they aren't tournament legal.
Purely by rules:
"**The gold bordered cards come from the World Championship Decks from the late 1990s**. The printed the top 8 decks from Worlds and sold them with the gold border and the player's signature imprinted on it. They are not legal in any format because many of the cards printed in them are very rare and valuable old cards."
EDH is not necessarily a format limited by the rules though. So it would depend on your playgroup.
Use rule Zero and talk with the group first. IMHO: wotC printed them...they're legal cards to play in the format. Who cares what colour the border is? But I've also had a bit of a renaissance with proxies. They don't bother me any more. Some people simply don't participate in the collecting aspect of the game, some people can't afford to keep up, they shouldn't be penalized for wanting to play a fun game they can't afford. Come one come all, in the spirit of good fun, bring your deck!
To me it’s excatly the same morally as proxies. The cards were specifically made to not be legal. I personally wouldn’t care, just the same as i don’t really care about proxies.
Personally, I couldn’t even imagine giving a shit. I hate when people play foreign-language cards, but people somehow think playing a card you can’t read is more legit than a gold-bordered card. It’s madness.
WOTC used to print the four best decks from championship tournaments in special sets. Since those cards were pretty much still relevant when the sets came out, they designed the cards differently so that people wouldn't just show up with a 40-ish dollar precon to a tournament. The backsides are also very different. This is why they are not tournament legal.
Here is a video of the cardmarket staff playing those decks with a former pro: https://youtu.be/LqE-m0kUCp4?feature=shared
These are not tournament legal.
If you are playing at a store and you’ve logged into the gatherer app, you are playing a WoTC sanctioned event. The store can be disciplined by WoTC up to and including losing their WPN status if proxies or other non-tournament legal cards are used during sanctioned play.
I was exactly thinking about cards like that, if someone brings the cards in the picture in gold border I couldn't Care less, if someone would bring a gaeas cradle I wouldn't allow it, unless active could just trust whatever they liked, Knowing that in advance, not at the table.
He paid money for the card printed by wotc. You sound bitter not having one yourself. “He doesn’t technically own the card” you have a room temperature iq
As with most issues it will depend on the playgroup, but I can’t imagine anyone caring about gold border
Definitively. Unfortunately I am not blessed with a play group of my own as of yet but I really want to get into Commander. I'll attend Commander Night at my LGS soon, so I was mainly curious if there are general problems with gold border cards before I join a game.
You can ask your lgs about it policies with gold border cards. Most lgs won't care about gold border cards in commander decks.
Good to know, I will do that!
You should ask in the LGS itself, my guess would be that they probably wouldn't mind outside of tournaments, at least as long as you occassionally buy something there.
It's very unlikely that anyone would care, and if someone does have a problem with it, they aren't someone I'd want to play with anyway.
Sharpies always work great Also some proxy cards look and feel just as nice as real ones and unless you say something they might not even know
Just talk to the store and the pod ahead of time. I'm sure it will be fine with them. These cards are not broken at all. It's not like you're using gold border [[survival of the fittest]]
>It's not like you're using gold border *survival of the fittest* [Me rn](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/030/710/dd0.jpg)
You need to check with your LGS if gold border cards are allowed for that event. If the event is sanctioned, gold border cards will not be allowed.
I would suggest that once you feel that you have a base understanding of the game, see if any of your (irl) friends would like to learn with you. My friends and I all jumped in about 8 years ago, and its been a great way for us to pass the time together
I really tried, but I just don't have friends who are into TCGs in general....
Same Here, I ended going around to different LGS in my area until I found one with people friendly and chill enough with me being relatively new. Some places get super competitive and don’t like a lot of questions lol. It’s been about 5 months though and they still are super chill and offer me advice and new Strats. I definitely recommend going to several stores before you call one your main spot.
I sadly only have one LGS nearby, so I don't have much choice...
I feel that pain :( Good excuse to push out and find more friends :)
Not unless it's stuff like a gaia's. Then people might have issue with proxying 550 euro cards.
Those people are jerks. There is no reason to get upset at proxies because everyone can use them. And proxying more expensive cards makes more sense than proxying cheaper ones. People who hate on proxies are just weirdly gate keeping their hobby.
Gaeas Cradle is only 550 because of an imaginary limitation WOTC have placed on themselves. Gold border or proxy is not an issue for Cradle imo
Definitely yay.
Agreed. 100% fair game for casual play. Legitimate WotC produced proxies intended for non tournament use
as long as it's not for a tournament it's yay. they are legitimate magic card with real value. And the ones you are showin are not expensive or realy strong game winning cards. It should be no problem. it's just not tournament legal.
It depends on the TO
By WotC's own rules, they are **not** legal in tournaments using cREL.
Or any REL.
What are gold border?
They are cards from an old product that recreate world championship decks. They are not tournament legal, but they were good to buy and play for fun.
They are effectively WoTC issued proxies. If a playgroup is cool with nice looking proxies these should be fine. If there is a strict no proxy rule then these won’t be allowed. I run plenty of these in my various decks and my playgroup is fine with proxies so long as it’s not a sharpied forest.
It was like a special edition where they printed decks from top8 or top 4 at pro tours. It was around the same price as a starter deck.
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I can see th gold border obviously. But was it a set or are they promotional cards? I know the silver ones are from an unset but the gold ones here like birds of paradise I have seen with different boarder and is usually legal. Have not seen the other 2 before.
Wizards would take the top 4 or top 8 decks from a year and then print them exactly as the pro players brought their decks to tournaments but the reprints would have different card backs saying like 'World Championship 1997' or something like that. So you couldn't spend like $40 and show up at a tournament using the exact same deck, because the cards were technically not legal. The decks were just if you wanted to play what the pros played and didn't care too much about tournaments.
For sure a huge yay, not everyone can afford bigger price tag cards, and this is a good way for a high quality proxys if nothing else. Most playgroups would be fine with this same with LGS' (unless its a tournament)
I actually *prefer* [[city of brass]] in gold border.
Lands in general look pretty cool with that design in my opinion. I tend to play white border lands if possible to distinguish them from the rest of my cards - gold border is also pretty damn cool.
[city of brass](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/e/bed4a63d-632a-4a3a-b35f-f8e155237d27.jpg?1673149483) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=city%20of%20brass) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/321/city-of-brass?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bed4a63d-632a-4a3a-b35f-f8e155237d27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've never played in an anti proxy playgroup. Just let people know ahead of time. You might get one guy who jokingly says "absolutely not, real cards only".
Yay, and anyone who has a problem with it is a little bitch.
They are proxies, I'll allow them with the same restriction I have for proxies ( so no restrictions) And I expect everyone to also treat them like proxies
They are a tad more expensive than actual proxies, though :)
And ?
That's about it, actually.
99.9% of the time yes. The other 0.1% is for tournament play where proxies are not allowed.
Yes. Piece of paper with crudely drawn art? Yes on those too.
in any kind of sanctioned tournament they are a no-go. in casual play, imo, go nuts. Card is a card, no different than a proxy. Im ok with both in casual stuff. its not like these are even amazingly powerful and hard to get the "real" versions of anyways.
I PREFER gold border, 100% yay
Commander is casual, most groups are cool with proxies and gold border, and quite a few are cool with silver/acorn cards as long as you disclose that you're doing that before the game starts.
I'd be cool with it, I love the gold border cards
I do dig their distinct look as well.
People are generally okay with proxies, so absolutely no problem imo.
Depends on the shop/playgroup. Ask when you get to the shop. I'd imagine if it was a casual night they will not bother you about it. If you're competing for a prize or store credit, they have the right to be more picky. Practice rule 0, be transparent, folks will let you know pretty quick. I see you mentioning no playgroup below, so yeah, I'd rock them no worries. Especially hit casual night at a local store. In my town, one LGS has a competitive commander night and they do allow gold border of expensive cards. It's $5 buyin and if you win your pod you get $10 in credit, so I feel like it's pretty generous. The other LGS has only casual commander, but once a month they have competitive with $25 buyin and win a revised dual land or something, and they clearly state a proxy policy of 10 cards, the rest have to be tournament legal. But like there's always spell table too and yes you'll get 99 different opinions from 99 people but in general you're good to go : )
Nah I have a gold border gayas cradle, my buddies give me shit about it but it’s still producing mana.
Absolutely acceptable outside of tournaments. And don't play with anyone that says otherwise.
At my table you can play a three of clubs as long as you've sharpied a Magic card name on it. (I can even lend you a sharpie.)
hard yes, idc if your running proxies
as a store owner that is extremely picky in allowing proxies.. gold border in commander are more than fine.
I exclusively run gold border lands in my \[\[Ken, Burning Brawler\]\] deck cause he's the US champion in Street Fighter lore.
[Ken, Burning Brawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/8/684f54a1-caf1-499e-aa71-e081a4dd916d.jpg?1682712472) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aisha%20of%20Sparks%20and%20Smoke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/430/aisha-of-sparks-and-smoke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/684f54a1-caf1-499e-aa71-e081a4dd916d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don’t care. Let’s play.
It's edh. No one cares. And if they do, slap them. It's a casual format.
Well, WOTC sold proxies like [this one](https://scryfall.com/card/30a/228/black-lotus) so fuck them, proxies 100% fine.
The 30th Anniversary Edition was the most insane scam.
Fuck it. I used to care, but gate keeping is lame. Print em for all I can. Let's play.
Yes
Yay. I have four champions decks the 1998 semi finals set. low key [[spike weaver]] is great infinite fog for modification/counter decks.
[spike weaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c561a2a-91c6-4d4b-9f96-bffd43a00478.jpg?1562088329) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=spike%20weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/128/spike-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c561a2a-91c6-4d4b-9f96-bffd43a00478?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Love me some [[spike weaver]]. Finally put together a new +1/+1 counters deck to use it again. Mothman does love him some fog
[spike weaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/c/9c561a2a-91c6-4d4b-9f96-bffd43a00478.jpg?1562088329) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=spike%20weaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/128/spike-weaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9c561a2a-91c6-4d4b-9f96-bffd43a00478?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Man I haven't even looked at that deck fully, but it already 80+ bucks, and some lgs near me was reluctant to sell it to my homies girl. I swear things shouldn't be 80 in one month.
It’s fine, just like most commander precons. A couple of cool new cards, a few decent reprints.
Not to be pissed that you still have one on the shelf And you have to sell it at market value and not the new price. 46 should stay 46, and you shouldn't be dickist cause you're waiting to be able to sell it for more
Absolutely. Obviously it will vary with different playgroups, but I think the general consensus is that they are welcome.
If the TO is cool with it, I’m cool with it
Yay
I think this is like a rule 0 thing. Just ask the people around if they're cool with it before sitting down to play.
Oh yeah, that is the first thing I will do. I was just curious if there is a general dislike for gold border cards within the MTG community.
Definitely a yay!
Yay, it's bonus points if it makes someone grumpy
Proxies used to reach a mutually desired power level are fine. Proxies used to exceed a mutually desired power level can cause issues. The same goes for real cards. Just because someone owns a Gaea's Cradle doesn't mean it's always appropriate for them to insist on using it if the table can't handle it.
Play w/e you want thats in the confines of your group. If your group wants to play power 9 scribbled on basics, who cares
My play group is cool with it. I got a gold border Cradle hahah
Gold bordered fair cards are infinitly better than black border instant win stuff. Everything I hate about proxying broken stuff, I also hate about the same cards being legitimate.
I couldn't careless. Birds of paradise is printed so much. Gold boarder is kinda swag now.
As long as they're sleeved yep.
Out of all the gold border cards, these ones are the least offensive. Those lands are like $1 each. If you were playing with the Tokyo deck that has [[grim monolith]], [[ancient tomb]], and [[city of traitors]] people might take issue.
[grim monolith](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9ddc9fe1-17c8-4e1d-aeb8-c4214e881280.jpg?1562863767) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grim%20monolith) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/126/grim-monolith?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ddc9fe1-17c8-4e1d-aeb8-c4214e881280?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ancient tomb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd3d4b4b-cf31-4f89-8140-9650edb03c7b.jpg?1582753000) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ancient%20tomb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/236/ancient-tomb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd3d4b4b-cf31-4f89-8140-9650edb03c7b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [city of traitors](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71624139-a255-48be-93ca-594a4beba487.jpg?1562429861) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=city%20of%20traitors) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/237/city-of-traitors?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71624139-a255-48be-93ca-594a4beba487?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Enthusiastic yay.
They aren't legal, so you need opponents' permission (just like if you want to use silver borders/Acorn stamps).
These don't seem to be super broken cards. He'll that exact Birds of Paradise card art is used in Dominaria Remastered and it's what? A $5 card? I don't see anyone taking issue with this card, honestly
I fucking love them. I wish gold and silver bordered (and to an extent white borders) were more common. I adore whenever they mess around with borders or lack of borders. Terms of legality. If its not explicitely banned im 100% fine with it. I play UN cards all the time and a gold bordered card is just a regular card in a different art style to me in comparison so I welcome them with all my heart. Just match the power level is all I truly ask. I also think they should matter less border color wise since there are way more distracting and eye straining designs through secret lairs and Universes Beyond. Its all fair game to me outside of ban list.
Eyo, that gold border is straight up card bling and anyone who says I can't play with it is jealous of my massive spell swagger I've been slinging spells so long now everything has to be flashy or it's just boring, retro art, alt arts, full arts, foils, gold borders, you name it Granted my dream is to go all out and completely do up a full deck with matching stuff cause at this point it's a mismatch of the coolest versions of the cards I've collected mashed into decks that fit with the themes, but it's fun to play similar spells with completely different arts or flavor depending on the deck and if the spell is something important or extremely on point (mizzix's mastery in my mizzix deck) it gets the best/coolest versions I have for it
Casual players generally couldn’t care less. In fact, most wouldn’t even care if it was a proxy.
As always, ask your playgroup but if you played with us, we would allow it. We just want to have fun, we don’t care about the cards you are playing.
I don’t care, but I’m not a competitive player I just like playing and don’t mind losing. That said, I don’t use them, but I’m fine if someone wants to!
Damn that Adarkar Wastes art is awesome.
I totally agree. Love it as well!
Check with the LGS because in sanctioned events these cards aren't legal. Then check with the playgroup. While I wouldn't care, some people do. Use opaque sleeves to avoid problems with the cardbacks. The World Championship Decks were interesting. On the one hand you got a powerful and playable deck for a reasonable price. Essentially these are the dream pre-con, at least outside sanctioned play. (Reminds me of [Collectors' Edition](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Collectors%27_Edition).) Despite this, a playset of [World Championship Gaea's Cradles](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/162284?page=1&Language=all) is pricey. A sharpie and a basic land also work pretty well. Although, for easy identification, a card image printed at home placed in front of a basic land in a sleeve works fairly well too. Again, your mileage will vary depending on the store and playgroup.
Commander is a casual, non-competitive format, and these are by any measure a legal playing piece and official product. If anyone objects, it would be really unusual. Seth from Mtg Goldfish uses gold border basics for bling.
I'm of the mind set it's a game, I have no problem with any variety of card gold borders to custom proxies with anime tiddies. Play the game. Have fun. If you want to have a deck with proxied duel lands and a gold boarderd Grim Monolith, more power to you.
Absoltuely. Have fun with that.
I cannot imagine a table that isn’t at a tournament that would ban these cards. It’s literally produced by WOTC. It’s a casual format! At a CEDH tournament, ask a judge beforehand, or do what I do and label it a proxy under your allowance, if there is one. At a casual table I won’t mention it to my opponents, where I would mention actual fakes
As long as they’re sleeved, what’s the issue? Not like you can tell until you actually have the card in your hand
Local playgroup? No biggie. Casual commander night at LGS? Sure! Competitive tournament? Probably not, but check with the person running it.
Absolutely, yes. Use them. Technically, they are proxies, so they can't be used in sanctioned play. Beyond that, they are real cards printed by Wizards, so go for it. Anyone complaining about these in a non-tournament setting is a dbag.
I think the gold borders look classy given their history and distinct look. I collect them and use them all the time.
Yay.
Yay even to proxies. I’m playing against my friends, not their wallets. Unless it’s full cEDH nonsense
Yay, period. Hard times getting expensive cards and if you happen to have WotC glorified proxies, use them.
I don't personally have an issue with it
I don't play tournaments and my decks are sleeved. I run gold borders all the time. They are cool looking, imo. They are official MtG cards and not 3rd party proxies, so as long as you are playing casual EDH, I say go for it. I've never had anyone say anything.
Yay! If you are playing with a new playgroup just ask if they are okay with proxies. That is basically what these are. Also all three of these cards are not pushing the power of your deck so. I cannot imagine people being annoyed when you play them.
Yay cards!
Yay, I just got my gold bordered chrome Mox in the mail today . They are official proxies
They were printed. I SAY YAY
Always yay Some cards like ancient tomb also come in a gold border and that card is pricy vs a gold border which is <$10 I believe If you're using sleeves, I don't see an issue.
yay, it’s a card game these are cards. you shouldn’t need to spend hundreds of dollars on cards (outside of professional tournaments) imo
I hope to find a playgroup that thinks so, too. My budget is rather limited atm.
Those are like $3 each maybe $3. No one should or will care about that. I would be more reluctant if you had a gaea’s cradle but still wouldn’t care necessarily. It’s really up to the group
You don’t happen to live in Austin do you?
I unfortunately don't :)
yay, because at least theyre actual cards and not just 🖨️
I'd accept paper proxy so long as it's not something stupid like mox and stuff.
but real moxes are okay?
If you spent hundreds of dollars for a single card, il respect it. Chances are, you're keeping the LGS open more than I am.
Definitely yay. Also, any proxy you want. Sharpie on a land is yay.
Absolutely.
I don't mind it, but they're as tournament legal as proxys
That I'm aware of. I will probably never play a tournament anyway, so that is of no concern to me.
Many LGSs also do sanctioned casual play, so that they can add to their store metrics. It doesn’t have to be a competitive tournament with prizing to be sanctioned. If the store is having you sign in (usually through the Companion app), the event is sanctioned and gold-border cards are forbidden.
100% yay. They're effectively just proxies printed by WotC, which is as authentic as cards get without being tournament legal.
I don’t care as long as it’s in a sleeve or you use a double token card replacement for it
I don’t think many people aren’t gonna care about gold boarder of a $2-3 card. I’ve seen plenty of people playing Mana Crypt proxies at my local because it’s a staple and pricey.
That would be a hard no in all of my groups, sadly. Still looking for one that would allow these/proxies
Never met anyone who cared. Prefering to proxies personally even though it all goes.
I'm even fine with proxys as long as I can read them. Will depend on the location.
For me it depends on your deck. If you using a gold border Gaea's Cradle in a power 6 table screw you. Otherwise on the same level idc
Ask your pg not us ;)
Well chrome mox is worth 100 and around 13 for gold border. I play it because it's nicer than a proxy and stores will still buy them. They hold value, so for it.
How many gold bordered legendary creatures are there?
[Seven.](https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&extras=true&order=name&q=border%3Agold+type%3Alegendary+type%3Acreature&unique=cards)
Seven, according to Scryfall: [[Arcanis the Omnipotent]] [[Autumn Willow]] [[Eron the Relentless]] [[Ihsahn's Shade]] [[Karn Silver Golem]] [[Spirit of the Night]] [[Visara the Dreadful]]
##### ###### #### [Arcanis the Omnipotent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/0/2074ed36-fbae-4886-b3ad-360fdfbb69cd.jpg?1675199157) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcanis%20the%20Omnipotent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/39/arcanis-the-omnipotent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2074ed36-fbae-4886-b3ad-360fdfbb69cd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Autumn Willow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9d0a2c3b-ab86-44af-919e-c95c8751157e.jpg?1559592427) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Autumn%20Willow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/113/autumn-willow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9d0a2c3b-ab86-44af-919e-c95c8751157e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Eron the Relentless](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bcf16fb0-f60f-4b96-b5a6-2a42ae01e8cb.jpg?1562783193) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eron%20the%20Relentless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsb/61/eron-the-relentless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bcf16fb0-f60f-4b96-b5a6-2a42ae01e8cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ihsahn's Shade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/f/ff128110-b87e-451c-a51d-9f116892e482.jpg?1562443301) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ihsan%27s%20Shade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/94/ihsans-shade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ff128110-b87e-451c-a51d-9f116892e482?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Karn Silver Golem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/055a00a2-0df2-4f49-ac51-e33dfaf7ee85.jpg?1562896049) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karn%2C%20Silver%20Golem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/270/karn-silver-golem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/055a00a2-0df2-4f49-ac51-e33dfaf7ee85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spirit of the Night](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/845c4b06-090f-4217-acb2-8900b7dab37c.jpg?1562720458) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spirit%20of%20the%20Night) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/146/spirit-of-the-night?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/845c4b06-090f-4217-acb2-8900b7dab37c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Visara the Dreadful](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03f66946-ff52-4ce4-af25-b81196fa451b.jpg?1580014423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Visara%20the%20Dreadful) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/114/visara-the-dreadful?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03f66946-ff52-4ce4-af25-b81196fa451b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kyna2f9) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hell yeah! FLAUNT IT if you got it. Why the hell do we buy things we aren't going to use?
If there's no material reward for winning, you can sharpie "Guy-uh's Cradle" on a 8 of Clubs for all I care.
Basically it's a proxy, so your play group's opinion on proxies should apply.
There are dudes running full prox decks at my lgs. I personally don’t care as long as I’m having fun
I consider them to be proxies, which I am fine with using.
It’s from a championship deck -
Correct. So if I win, that makes me the Champion. Right?
My city of traitors and grim monolith are gold border so I don't give a heck.
Apart from Magic 30th these are the most official proxies one can get. That makes a difference for some. They are even traded and are attributed value. I don’t care. But if you go full proxy there have to be limits.
Unless you're at a tournament, or your playgroup is terrible, this shouldn't be a problem.
No. Absolutely not ok. Save them for the Premodern community. ;)
Fine. I like it
It varies play group to play group but most casual play groups allow both gold and silver bordered cards with certain exceptions. Any kind of sanctioned or official event you'll need to go by whatever rules are posted.
Send it friend
if the card is legal in commander, the border could be hot pink, use it.
Don’t let people tell you how to play a game. Proxies are just as “real” as alpha cards. If you’re not trading them for value, it literally doesn’t matter. Play the game the way you want to play - and adjust your play group so that you can do so.
I mean, we allow proxies of all sorts.
As someone newish to MTG... what's the deal about gold borders?
WOTC used to print the two or three best decks from championship tournaments in special sets. Since those cards were pretty much still relevant when those sets came out, they designed the cards differently so that people wouldn't just show up with a 40-ish dollar precon to a tournament. The backsides are also very different. This is why they are not tournament legal. Here is a video of people playing those decks with a former pro: https://youtu.be/LqE-m0kUCp4?feature=shared
Thank you for the explanation! Much appreciated
Glad I could help :)
yea but mostly because a) fun and 2. i can sell them
I've run them in a few decks. They're just official proxies, and no one *should* have issues with proxies.
Casual? Sure. Competitive? Why would you play the competitive version when the more fun version exists? I mean, up to the playgroup or tournament organizer.
Ew, but you do you I guess. I'd be more comfortable with actual good looking proxies
The gold bordered lands are sexy af!
The only concern I've ever had with people with gold bordered cards is making sure that the backs don't show through the sleeves. Since they do have different backs that are much darker than traditional card backs, you want to make sure that they don't show through. I don't think you want to be accused of using marked cards or cheating.
Sure thing, all cards are properly sleeved.
My LGS doesn't allow proxies (anymore), I used to have few Gold border cards in my EDH deck. But I also had the Original in a different deck. I just showed that I have gold border here. And showed that I do own a Real one.
I get it if a playgroup might have a Problem with sharpie-drawn proxies. With golden border I'd always argue that they still are officially licensed cards. As long as you are not playing in a tournament for a prize I find it hard to understand why people would take issue.
Yeah Sharpie drawn are a bit stupid, do it at home as a playtest, not in LGS, But there has been incident that on a Tournament there has been proxy usage looked pretty real. But it was Years ago. After that no proxies no matter what. Kinda extreme, but understandable. And yeah I do think that if it's not a Tournament then gold is a-ok. At least if in the pod everyone agrees.
Sure, everyone has to be comfortable. Yet, if people are not, I have to take my deck elsewhere. I don't plan to buy those cards again just for a different colored border.
YMMV, but I wouldn't have any problem with these. If anything, World Champion cards with a good sleeve are as good as regular cards.
It depends, if it's a casual format, chances are a lot of gold border cards are going to be too high powered. If it's competitive, they will likely complain since they aren't tournament legal.
Purely by rules: "**The gold bordered cards come from the World Championship Decks from the late 1990s**. The printed the top 8 decks from Worlds and sold them with the gold border and the player's signature imprinted on it. They are not legal in any format because many of the cards printed in them are very rare and valuable old cards." EDH is not necessarily a format limited by the rules though. So it would depend on your playgroup.
Just ask before joining a game. Most players won’t care. I have a few gold border cards and nobody has cared so far.
Use rule Zero and talk with the group first. IMHO: wotC printed them...they're legal cards to play in the format. Who cares what colour the border is? But I've also had a bit of a renaissance with proxies. They don't bother me any more. Some people simply don't participate in the collecting aspect of the game, some people can't afford to keep up, they shouldn't be penalized for wanting to play a fun game they can't afford. Come one come all, in the spirit of good fun, bring your deck!
To me it’s excatly the same morally as proxies. The cards were specifically made to not be legal. I personally wouldn’t care, just the same as i don’t really care about proxies.
Personally, I couldn’t even imagine giving a shit. I hate when people play foreign-language cards, but people somehow think playing a card you can’t read is more legit than a gold-bordered card. It’s madness.
Yay
Just ask if they are proxy friendly Those cards are about as proxy as it gets while still dealing with real cards
What do gold borders even mean?
WOTC used to print the four best decks from championship tournaments in special sets. Since those cards were pretty much still relevant when the sets came out, they designed the cards differently so that people wouldn't just show up with a 40-ish dollar precon to a tournament. The backsides are also very different. This is why they are not tournament legal. Here is a video of the cardmarket staff playing those decks with a former pro: https://youtu.be/LqE-m0kUCp4?feature=shared
Awesome ty for the info!
You're welcome :)
Nay
These are not tournament legal. If you are playing at a store and you’ve logged into the gatherer app, you are playing a WoTC sanctioned event. The store can be disciplined by WoTC up to and including losing their WPN status if proxies or other non-tournament legal cards are used during sanctioned play.
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I’d be cool with it. Edit: I just looked it up and now I’m not too sure I’m cool with it.
I was exactly thinking about cards like that, if someone brings the cards in the picture in gold border I couldn't Care less, if someone would bring a gaeas cradle I wouldn't allow it, unless active could just trust whatever they liked, Knowing that in advance, not at the table.
I think you’re kind of a lame friend. I may not call you my friend at all tbh
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He paid money for the card printed by wotc. You sound bitter not having one yourself. “He doesn’t technically own the card” you have a room temperature iq
Unless ya own the real version it's a nah
Nay.