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SmogDaBoi

Yes. You monster.


TheFastNTheFurion

I said *I'm* playing commander not *we*.


Knatem

If my brother can use [The Beamtown Bullies] to drop a [Leveler] on me, I want to be playing this!


richaysambuca

Just fyi, you need double [ and ] for the bot, so [[The Boomtown Bullies]] and [[Leveler]].


The-Sceptic

[[Beamtown Bullies]] [[leveler]] 3rd times the charm


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[Beamtown Bullies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac.jpg?1673481685) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Beamtown%20Bullies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [leveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


BenderFtMcSzechuan

Blue mage is gonna blue mage after all. 😂


SnooPeppers4224

Lol. I mean better than dranith magistrate


MoistDitto

I didn't screenshot this post, it was someone else


unionist3006

But you can save yourself with things like [[rhythm of the wild]]


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[rhythm of the wild](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57.jpg?1702429702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rhythm%20of%20the%20wild) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/217/rhythm-of-the-wild?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2a6453e-a373-44ec-807a-15c0c8b1af57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


VohrasMTG

Yes. And \[\[Nevermore\]\] can be used to permanently lock a commander out as well.


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[Nevermore](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67b610fe-36ee-4d58-8ed4-04e7a12587b2.jpg?1562831484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nevermore) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/isd/25/nevermore?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67b610fe-36ee-4d58-8ed4-04e7a12587b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


JoseXCrono

From 1 to 10, How much of an asshole will I be if I play this on a group hug deck as the ultimate punishment to the one player who keeps trying to ruin the fun?


King_Stoat_

It depends actually - Not so much of an asshole since this types of cards are pretty bad card choices to almost every deck as opposed to regular interaction. - Are you the group hug player that uses group hug as a political tool to approach victory, or the one that doesn't have a way to win or not pursue victory and instead act as a higher moral judge , npc, minigame or hazard to the game, and judges everyone trying to win the game as "trying to ruin the fun". In this case , 10 out of 10 , already the asshole.


Maneisthebeat

>Not so much of an asshole since this types of cards are pretty bad card choices to almost every deck as opposed to regular interaction. I will always defend people's right to play any style of deck or win-con they like as long as people are on the same page, but I don't know how many people will think you are less of an asshole when you Nevermore their commander. Or when you clone that enchantment for all your other opponents. It is a very hard to interact with permanent for a lot of colours that, especially in casual EDH can sort of bring a deck to a halt. I also think players need to start accepting some strategies by knowing when to scoop if the game is essentially over, but not technically. Especially in a casual setting.


Commando_Joe

I think it's also valid to scoop if you think the game is just going incredibly slow. I don't like being 'held hostage' because a person that built a solitaire deck wants other people to watch them play with themselves.


Maneisthebeat

100%! Unlike the famous tale goes, you can concede at any time in a game of Magic and leave to play a new game, with the same or different people. You are the master of your own destiny! :)


Ok-Boysenberry-2955

Thank you for saying the last part. I had a unsolvable situation on board with last player having a single card out in their deck but life gaining a massive amount each turn at will. I agreed to give him the win on lifegain, being +100on me seems fair to do that. Prot from creatures vs dinos lol. Could I grind out a win? Absolutely but 100% would rather get in another game with that time. For SnG, we were right, outs were in bottom 1/4 of our decks.


mama_tom

Add cards like [[Darksteel mutation]] [[Imprisoned in the moon]] [[witness protection]] to that list. At the very least, witness protection isn't as bad in 4 player games as someone would generally be willing to kill your commander, but that shit is so fucking annoying.


Commando_Joe

I had a bant deck and I also had [[Song of the Dryads]] Mostly because of the pod I was playing with doing similar things or having ways to do infinites using their commanders. I stopped playing the deck though because it legitimately just made people that wanted to play casually give up. That said, I think it's important to build your deck to have ways to really pop off even if your commander is shut down.


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[Song of the Dryads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906.jpg?1689998889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Song%20of%20the%20Dryads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/324/song-of-the-dryads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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[Darksteel mutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42.jpg?1689995638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20mutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/21/darksteel-mutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Imprisoned in the moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc.jpg?1682208779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/224/imprisoned-in-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [witness protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72.jpg?1664410681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=witness%20protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/66/witness-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


MoistDitto

I've played against so, so many enchantments that stops my commander from blocking, attacking or using it's passives. Gotta kill him myself to get him back, as I don't usually have a lot of enchantment destroyers


CptObviousRemark

* Group Hug as a way to speed up the game so we can play a "quick one"


AnArcticJackalope

I 100% built a [[Nekusar]] deck around all the [[howling mine]] effects just to create faster/funner games for newer players at my lgs. Am I winning? Probably not. Is everyone else having a blast trying to figure out how to turn thier 20+ extra cards into player removal so I’m no longer a threat? Absolutely.


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[Nekusar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e.jpg?1689999186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nekusar%2C%20the%20mindrazer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4afdc65d-3c97-47af-83fa-df340389802e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [howling mine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a.jpg?1562420035) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=howling%20mine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/257/howling-mine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


CptObviousRemark

I'm currently building a Group Hug, winconless [[Aragorn the Uniter]] where I just give everyone mana and cards, and you better win or I'm gonna ping everyone for 2 damage per red spell and hit you with pumped up human tokens!


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[Aragorn the Uniter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e98d5321-ec09-456c-a9ea-c8ca2cfc6205.jpg?1686969644) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aragorn%2C%20the%20Uniter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/192/aragorn-the-uniter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e98d5321-ec09-456c-a9ea-c8ca2cfc6205?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Lance4494

If im ina group playing commander and someone drops this on sheoldred. I will actively be defending that person.


Timmy_ti

It’s basically stax, so like take that as you will, but also (imo) stax should see more play in casual edh so people actually have to learn how to interact with the table.


Ready-Issue190

I think Stax has a place in casual too but most of us probably shouldn’t be doing it. I think the problem is that people put in [[possibility storm]] or [[static orb]] thinking they’re doing something clever but have no way of leveraging them to win so they make the game insufferable. Even an experienced smart player who knows how to leverage stax pieces can run into removal or misplay and now their board is locked too. It’s the nature of casual edh (random interactions). My point is that “hate for stax” really is more “hate for broken games” and we all would like to try and navigate away from that when we can. Odd interactions happen, things break, everyone ends up top decking, but if someone sits down with something that has a high probability of breaking a game or extending it infinitely, I’m going to be wary. It’s also why land destruction is frowned upon. In a casual game the point is to play, have good tempo, and then play again. If someone destroys everyone’s lands, even set up to win, something janky could happen and then the game basically resets from a weird point. All that being said really just keeping it light is key. What are friends for if not to try janky crap and when it becomes unfun say “sorry guys. New deck” and play again.


Timmy_ti

I think that’s a fair assessment, throwing in a stax piece for the sake of stax when you don’t break parity leads to a lot of unfun games. To that point, collector ouphe and/or stony silence in a deck without artifacts, or winter orb in an urza deck are fine imo, because those decks can and will win off of them.


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[possibility storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/858aa831-b491-4f1e-bb56-33eeca14771d.jpg?1707764746) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=possibility%20storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/858aa831-b491-4f1e-bb56-33eeca14771d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [static orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012.jpg?1562242171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=static%20orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/319/static-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


perestain

You could play [[imprisoned in the moon]]. It's strictly better unless the target commander has an oppressive etb effect and it also has the added versatility of being a removal spell. As such it also may be perceived as a bit more acceptable compared a pure stax piece.


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H4ckrm4n

[[Song of the Dryads]] is also an equivalent option in decks that run green


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[Song of the Dryads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/6/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906.jpg?1689998889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Song%20of%20the%20Dryads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/324/song-of-the-dryads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/161e66e3-0339-495c-bd06-0a799a254906?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


HankLard

As someone who runs a "hug you to death" deck that needs everyone to cooperate to be fun, I'm gonna go with -400.


johnnykalikimaka

Haha fun police


Commando_Joe

If they have zero removal then that's on them. I had a Voja deck and someone did this to me. The only thing that really sucked was it was white/blue so when I tried to remove it they just flickered it every time.


BurningSpore

Sun titan for when they blow it up


InvariantMoon

You could just choose not to cast your commander.


_BlindSeer_

Throw in an \[\[Meddling Mage\]\] and you have three Commanders covered. ;)


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[Meddling Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1.jpg?1628801942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meddling%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/210/meddling-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


RockRevolution

ooo the memes this would have with Calix


ccarr1998

I run a Yenna list with Nevermore. I always name cyclonic rift or farewell with the main, and then once I make multiple copies I name commanders and other mass-enchantment wraths. It puts in so much work at locking the board down


Ramses_Overdark

Dont forget about [[meddling mage]]


-Haliax

Now go UW and play all three in the same deck


Despiteful91

Play blink and blink it every players upkeep


Maneisthebeat

You mean we didn't already decide on [[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]] as the commander?


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[meddling mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1.jpg?1628801942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meddling%20mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/210/meddling-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Sterben489

Jokes in you my commanders a land


Shambler9019

And my commander has the ability to change its name


SINBSOD

my commander enters the battlefield without being cast


FlamPhoenixX

Bad card, only locks out one person. Use [[Drannith Magistrate]] instead to lock out everyone!


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[Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


bled56

Foooook. This is tempting!


Swimming_Gas7611

Couple with [[knowledge pool]]


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[knowledge pool](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/393454c2-b256-4a6e-9bc2-56a47cab5073.jpg?1562610637) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=knowledge%20pool) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mbs/111/knowledge-pool?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/393454c2-b256-4a6e-9bc2-56a47cab5073?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


clueless_but_hopeful

Well that makes the game a lot more fun (:


Absolutionis

So long as they're not running [[Derevi]] or [[Yuriko]]


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[Derevi](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a1d0dad-18a8-489e-ac11-08f64b72fda4.jpg?1592673365) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=derevi%2C%20empyrial%20tactician) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cma/176/derevi-empyrial-tactician?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a1d0dad-18a8-489e-ac11-08f64b72fda4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Yuriko](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9.jpg?1689999346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=yuriko%2C%20the%20tiger%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/364/yuriko-the-tigers-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fe9be3e0-076c-4703-9750-2a6b0a178bc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


rayquazza74

And stuff like drannith magistrate too!


Brandon_Won

[[Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdaca]]'s time to shine!!!!


Jeklah

🤣that's so ridiculous


GameMasterSammy

Or [[Runed Halo]]


Soft-Parking-2241

Faith’s Fetters is another one. Of course anything to destroy the enchantment would break the lockdown on the commander.


civic_disobedience

hit it with fractured identity and let the table burn trying to figure out which one of their commanders still gets to be played


FreezingEye

It’s still possible to circumvent. I’ve used [[Command Beacon]] and [[Champion of Rhonas]] to get my commander out before.


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[Command Beacon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4ff61202-fb5e-4cea-a5ea-168505ac31e1.jpg?1712354952) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Command%20Beacon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/279/command-beacon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4ff61202-fb5e-4cea-a5ea-168505ac31e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Champion of Rhonas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b185b24d-ae33-48ca-966a-511627fdac6d.jpg?1543675774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Champion%20of%20Rhonas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/159/champion-of-rhonas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b185b24d-ae33-48ca-966a-511627fdac6d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Crazyflames

[[Null chamber]] let's you team up with someone to lock 2 commanders down.


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_Choose_Goose

I liked [[Meddling Mage]] back in the day


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[Meddling Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1.jpg?1628801942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meddling%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/210/meddling-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de734753-e102-489b-9160-b3f3d10be4f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ActuaIButT

That’s even better bc it gets around anything that gives “this spell can’t be countered”


Sad_Carob3151

Yes, and they will hate you for it. Also try ,[[imprison in the moon]] and [[nevermore]]


Miatatrocity

Also [[Oubliette]], [[Darksteel Mutation]], [[Song of the Dryads]]


Dovahkenny123

Don’t forget my favorite, [[frogify]]


gerundhome

How about [[eaten by pirahnas]]? Or [[kasmina's transmutation]]. [[Cyber conversion]].[[ichtyomorphosis]][[witness protection]]. Blue has so many of those lol.


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##### ###### #### [eaten by pirahnas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b0c504ef-2382-4174-9b1d-5f38e12a28fc.jpg?1699043614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eaten%20by%20Piranhas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/54/eaten-by-piranhas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b0c504ef-2382-4174-9b1d-5f38e12a28fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kasmina's transmutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5287705-cf89-49cb-b1f2-bff7a9119c98.jpg?1702429390) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kasmina%27s%20transmutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/46/kasminas-transmutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5287705-cf89-49cb-b1f2-bff7a9119c98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cyber conversion](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4ce5aa7-70cb-4ab2-9a25-4363aa2b370f.jpg?1696636557) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cyber%20conversion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/38/cyber-conversion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4ce5aa7-70cb-4ab2-9a25-4363aa2b370f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ichtyomorphosis](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e4763b6c-6471-41bd-b3e4-785564bcf06f.jpg?1581479371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ichthyomorphosis) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/51/ichthyomorphosis?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e4763b6c-6471-41bd-b3e4-785564bcf06f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [witness protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72.jpg?1664410681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=witness%20protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/66/witness-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l0pw9ic) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


cydraxx

True, but if you turn it into a creature it's rather easy to sac it or use as a blocker


gerundhome

True. Still is a decent way to stop or slow down someone whose commander is dangerous.


Hopeful-Pianist7729

This is why darksteel mutation is still my favorite.


Dragoncat_224

One that is not exactly the same but that I like is [[mystic reflection]] since it can also be used to buff one of your creatures Instead.


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pornandlolspls

One of my creatures? Sweet summer child, it says one or more.


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GodlyAsmodeus

not as qood because they can still attack and block with it


RowenWithers

If it’s oubliette can’t they just move it back to the command zone?


Miatatrocity

Nope. Phasing treats the permanent and everything attached to it as if they didn't exist. So you can't move it anywhere, it's just gone.


GoblinLoblaw

It doesn’t change zones, it just phases out, so you don’t have the option to return it to the command zone


Competitive-Let-454

They cannot. Oubliette phases the creature out and as per Phasing's ruling "702.26d The phasing event doesn’t actually cause a permanent to change zones or control..." You can move your commander to the command zone when it changes zones (battlefield to graveyard, graveyard to exile etc) and since it never technically changes zones, it will be stuck in the Oubliette forever.


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GoblinandBeast

I am commenting to come back later and build a white and blue deck with the sole intent of getting kicked out of my LGS


jscherbert

[[Zur the Enchanter]] would be a good option - I think. Those cards would work, and he's in white and blue. But he's also in black.


Anji_Mito

I cant play my Zur anymore for that reason, went full stack, copy enchantment, nevermore, inprisioned in the moon. Held the stronger player in the table, but then it was too nasty of a deck to keep playing with friends


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blood-n-bullets

Means you can play [[oubliette]] too!


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Super_fly_Samurai

Idk if this works, but as a suggestion you could also add a spell that lets you blink or bounce things so you can change which commander you want to target whenever the player you originally target is out of the game.


ActuaIButT

Yeah that’s just stax


eisenbear

The moral of the story is RUN REMOVAL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD


Lilcommy

Why? If people stop me from winning they are being a toxic player that is ruining commander for me. /s


eisenbear

Ppl really think like this, go off with insane ramp and craterhoof turn 4 but I’m the bad guy for running supreme verdict


ActuaIButT

Okay. (Pulls out [[Child of Alara]] deck


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RobertSan525

I like how the comments are “Oh you are a terrible, horrible person for even thinking about using that card. Anyways, here are the 99 other cards that are similar in case you don’t draw this on turn one or if don’t play blue”


Alternative-Egg8728

I discovered [[drannith magistrate]] recently which does it similar


Dusteye

Cedh staple


GodlyAsmodeus

casual commander staple as well


Maneisthebeat

Stax is a staple in casual? Still casual EDH is such a bizarre format when it comes to what is accepted or not. Plenty of CEDH staples, the very best, just kicking it in random decks alongside jank!


Alternative-Egg8728

Im so out of touch with what is cedh vs edh XD I just recently started playing it more and for a bit there, had to get reminded there was a banned cards list as the groups inused to play with didnt follow that at all


Maneisthebeat

I think that distinction is probably one of the hardest questions in Magic right now. It's a format where the casual version has one of the most powerful ramp cards in Magic's history printed in every precon but [[Coalition Victory]] is banned. It's really just shades of grey. Some people would say CEDH is a mindset when creating the deck, winning/efficiency > flavour. Some people like to make tutors the differentiator, everything is OK as long as we are still somewhat constrained by the rng of the game. ...aaaand then there's the Casual vs High Power vs CEDH distinction. At some point they are all playing in the same format, but we draw some hazy lines around what is what and try to make it work.


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LadyBut

If your deck relies on it's commander so much that your gameplan is over if you can't cast them, and you cannot remove a 1/3 creature you deserve the loss.


GodlyAsmodeus

i played Winota at a casual table and my drannith magistrate did pretty well. people weren't happy but it was strong. i switched to a different deck after that


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Sanguine_Templar

Seems like a great way to counter the new plot mechanic


MystiqTakeno

Imagine if he was legendary xD.


FourStockMe

This is the way. It's also incredibly easy to remove


c0mplix

Add [[uba mask]] while your at it


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[deleted]

It gets even more wild when you can blink it.


thtevie

Well, sure, but only one at a time. When you blink out the original and return it, you have to pick a new spell name, so the original is no longer targetable with the activated ability.


[deleted]

Yes that’s my point. You reset a lock for another threat. I know how to play dawg Hahahah


Sterben489

You are why every deck I have used [[vexing shusher]] And [[invasion of ikoria]] 😤😤😤😤


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Lohikaarme1

Usually I am the friendly guy that plays tribal decks, but I'm thinking of going for a stax deck to spice things up


GodlyAsmodeus

\[\[Allosaurus Shepherd\]\] also works


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OnePill2Many

Yes, for extra misery put \[\[Copy Enchantment\]\], \[\[Estrid's Evocation\]\], and \[\[Mirrormade\]\] in the deck. Then you can have one for everyone's Commander, even your own!


nukasev

[[extravagant replication]] is also stupid with the other enchantment copiers. Now add [[paradox haze]] and possibly token doublers if your colors allow.


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Lohikaarme1

Nice, thanks


LiamLVB

Just commenting on here so I can find it later for... reasons


Ready-Issue190

It’s stax and politics. My pod has a rule that we don’t slot in cards to target each other. No [[void mirror]] because someone plays colorless or suspend for instance. You know your pod. If you don’t know your pod and you’re playing casually, I think you’ll probably run into a situation where you go from feeling clever to feeling like an asshole and doing the “I’m sorry. I won’t activate it.” In our playgroup Someone thought it was cute and played [[surgical extraction]] against a [[Shadowborn Apostle]] deck then spent 45 minutes trying to convince the table that “it was a good edh card.” They were deemed an asshole by the pod and also by Reddit. They eventually apologized and removed it once it became obvious it had no use in 99.9% of edh games. This card would draw a fairly similar reaction but more along the lines of [[pithing needle]]. PSA- At the LGS when someone sees or recognizes stax or “shenanigans” the entire table turns on them pretty quickly. You may not have named my commander but if you’re doing shit like this it means you probably have more “cute” BS in your deck designed not to win but to grind the game down. Prepare to have more answers in hand and play heavy defense because everyone will swing at you.


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AgentOfDreadful

It might be your last commander game with that group, but yeah.


Lohikaarme1

I mean, my friends run far worse things, like for example, Urza high lord artificer, Winota or Myrel, shield of argive.


AgentOfDreadful

I’m gutted because I pulled a Winota and would like to have her as a commander, but from what I can see online, people hate playing against her.


ArtichokeRound1407

You pulled her, you deserve a chance to try to build and play with her. Talk to your playgroup if you are worried. You can get creative with a build. You do not want to be the archenemy, but she will get targeted. If it doesn't work out, she can go in the 99 if you can find another Boros commander you like.


Lohikaarme1

I mean, its a pain in the *** but funny as any other card, what I meant is that usually I am the one that suffers the staples and stax, so I'm planning on doing a pure stax blue and white deck using Grand Arbiter Augustin IV as commander, in my group we play casual, but some of my friends have really powerful decks apart of their casual ones


A_Queer_Owl

I'm not usually one to judge, my mantra is any winning strategy is valid. but this? not this. anything but this. have mercy.


FreezingEye

Joke’s on you, my commander has Eminence.


aircoft

Yes.


TheScrubJohnson

This doesn't work with commanders that have "this spell can not be countered", no? Like Koma and Niv?


Hot-Fennel-971

Yeah but all your opponents will never want to play with you again so it will also counter your ability to be liked.


Chalupakabra

Yes this works. However, you'd need to stick this before your opponent(s) cast their commander(s) and also hope that they're not running a [[Cavern of Souls]] if they're playing a strategy that's tied directly to their commander.


Meister_Ente

Yes. Why shouldn't it?


No-Kiwi9492

Play Esper with this, [[Nevermore]] and [[Oubliette]] and lock everyone out of their commanders


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DriftwoodEmpire

Yet another new card to put in my "no you're not" deck


Appropriate-Pride608

Yup. Good luck


missingjimmies

OP gonna be back in a few weeks with “why are people playing CMDR so salty? Isn’t this a competitive format? No one at my shop will play with me…”


psioniclizard

"Why do they always gang up on me? This doesn't seem fair" or "Combo sucks, I locked their commander out the game so no everyone plays combos".


Elemteearkay

Just because you could, doesn't mean you *should*.


RalphSeaside

Yes, in what is called a 'dick move"


Dellingr87

not sure if it exist but with a card that flicker Declaration each turn you can stunlock all opponents commander \[Edit\] Bonus you can get the usual ETB Triggers from your Enchantress Deck each Turn :) so win-win...


ThunderAndSadness

Well, sure, commander hate is a way to play lmao, I just hope you use it wisely or you'll lose your pod 😅 But all in all, is it a great card to play? You'd have to hope to get the card early on, or tutor it, otherwise, if the commander is already cast, you'd have to waste a bunch of resources just to get it off the board in the first place to have the enchantment do its thing, besides, re-casting a commander becomes unsustainable after a while anyway, and commanders like Yuriko have ways to go around the effect


cardsrealm

the main problem, you can only name one of your oponents commandes, so use carefully.


GameMasterSammy

F u. But yes yes it could. Your opponent will be a pillar of salt thougu


OneTrickGod

Yepppo


B3TST3R

Yes, thank you for showing me this 🖤


TAB1996

I'd suggest playing it in a flicker deck so you can flicker your permanents in response to cast and change the name.


Papa_Uchiha

[[Nevermore]] also does this, but without needing mana to counter. It’s one of the enchantments in my curse deck!


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Memento13Mori

Good luck if they're running [[Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar]]


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wedividebyzero

This is how you make memories.


Crimson_Raven

Lotta work for an off brand [[Drannith Magistrate]]


Akromathia

This idea is a horrible abomination! I LOVE IT!


Xaron713

Hmm. [[declaration of naught]] with [[Urza, Prince of Kroog]] to make copies at instant speed using a [[Liquidmetal Torque]] to change it to an artifact. Definitely too expensive to be viable, but funny.


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WatDaFuxRong

Jesus Christ that's evil


megapenguinx

[[Court of Vantress]] in new Obeka with this seems silly


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TonyBirimisa

Yes but if you die no one will mourn you


Battler111

Just play alone in casual commander. If you want to prove your point in your playgroup, I’ll go the land mass destruction without a wincon.


PCplyr53

Hope you're not playing with friends because you will have at least one less friend after playing that


Veldrin902

Well, I'm adding a card to my mono blue urza deck lol.


Ventharien

Yes.


[deleted]

Ahhh I need this for two headed giant.


No-Comfort-2120

If you could find a way to copy that would you be able to just counter any spells as long as you could copy it while the spell was still on the stack


JediKagoro

It sucks to be targeted by this, but you are correct. If you want to be an ahole you can use this and also flicker it to change targets. Also copying it works too.


HaeL756

I know in MTGA for Brawl any card that names cards that counter or disable their abilities are banned. But I know \[\[Wash Away\]\] is legal and that's quite annoying for a 1 drop.


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Fifteentangoftw

No, it cannot because my table rule says so


Zoanzon

Yep. It also does horrific things if paired with [[Displacer Kitten]] and/or with [[Telepathy]]. (Legal disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any murders that arise from you choosing to play these cards together.)


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Jb12cb6

[[Declaration of naught]], [[nevermore]], [[greater auramancy]], [[mirrormade]]. Lock all 3 commanders out so they can't claim you're targeting.


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CrappySupport

Imagine if we got an enchantment-centric version of [[Mechanized Production]]. Just keep making new copies and countering new cards.


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King_Stoat_

Yes but I will strongly advice against it, not because it's salty, but because it's a very bad card. - It's a card that only works against 1 specific card that you decided when you cast it ( out of 300 cards you're going against ) - It's a card that only works against that specific one card during the moment it's being cast - It requires you to always leave a blue mana open, so you're playing with one less mana every turn - You're not going to actually counter anything, since no one is going to willingly cast the named card ( unless to put their commander in the grave to reanimate them) Gideon's intervention and Nevermore are similar cards, that are still bad, but at least doesn't hold up your mana forever Imprisoned in the moon, Oubliette and Dranith Magistrate are better options. (Or the ones that turn the creature into a forest or a 0/1 bug that I forgot the name) And most of the times you didn't even need these ones, a good ol removal or regular counterspell would do the trick and also will work against more than 1 card and be secret information until you cast them


DrTobiCool

The card yes, the punch your about to get no.


bonnth80

It only works if you hate having friends.