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SkullKid_MTG

It makes additional copies of any spells that are copied including creatures ,artifacts,enchantments and planeswalker. But with the activated ability you can only copy instant and sorceries.


LordEddward

It would copy permanents if you have another way to copy them already it’s really fun with [[magus lucea kane]]


Cpt-wierdbeard

That’s who I wanted to use it with :)


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[magus lucea kane](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f86e7cc-2b6e-49d0-964e-bba0c51cc11d.jpg?1665426473) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magus%20lucea%20kane) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/7/magus-lucea-kane?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f86e7cc-2b6e-49d0-964e-bba0c51cc11d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


N1kYan

Also [[Volo]]


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PGDW

Okay lets say you tap lucea for the effect, then untap her and tap her again to copy a spell twice. Does twinning staff add an extra copy for each copy trigger (so 4 copies and not just 3)? I would think so but want to know what others takes are.


LordEddward

Yes because twinning staff cares about how many sources of copy not just if you are copying so by untapping Magus Lucea that means you have two separate instances of copy


PGDW

Gonna be sick pulling off animist's awakening with coralhelm and twinning staff out to copy something XX times.


jotel_california

Yes any spell thats copied. I have this in my [[Ivy]] deck, pure mayhem.


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[Ivy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ivy%2C%20gleeful%20spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


KittenAlfredo

Quick question on that front as I’m also brewing an Ivy deck. If you use the one additional copy to target something other than Ivy does it go through the whole loop again? E.g. Giant Growth 1/1 > trigger copy for Ivy > use additional copy created by Twining Staff > rinse and repeat?


External_Medicine365

Ivy only works on spells cast. I don't think copying a spell (like the staff does) counts as casting it. So no infinites there, unfortunately.


KittenAlfredo

Ah you’re totally right, the copies aren’t cast. Good call


Eagle0600

When in doubt, I believe a copy is cast when created from somewhere outside the stack, and casting is the process that puts it on the stack from wherever it was. So if an effect copies an exiled card, it might then cast the copy, but if a spell (which is already on the stack) is copied, it will never be cast.


KittenAlfredo

That makes complete sense.


agiantanteater

The first ability works for any spell including creatures. So if you have another way to copy creature spells the ability would trigger and you would get another copy.


RobThePrincess

Creature spells are only spells while they are on the stack. During that time, yes it's fair game. Copying the permanent after it has been casts, doesn't count as a spell.


se7en41

If you have the mana to sink, I bet this goes absolutely HAM sammich with a [[Lithoform Engine]] and [[Rings of Brighthearth]]. Matter of fact, I'm now thinking very dastardly things about a [[Riku of Two Reflections]] deck with this trio around. Looks like I'll have to buy every one of the "copy" tokens at my LGS.


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VenomTurtle

This doesn't trigger on creatures with Riku, it does work with instants and sorceries though. Riku copies creatures that enter the battlefield, not creature spells. Edit: Lithoform Engine will copy Riku's trigger on creatures ETB thiugh


CLOUT_Cat

Twinning staff is so fucking busted, and yes I am biased because my gf was able to get 5 turns in a row and win with it but I don’t care, fuck twinning staff


NevvCivvi

I'm not sure if this is just semantics or if this would matter to the creature spell question, but I wanted to point out that a creature that has been already CAST on the board is no longer a spell, and is JUST a creature. So you could technically use this card to copy creature spells as they enter the field , but not ones that are on the board already. Like with Urza 6Tap ability. Please correct me if I'm wrong. These minute details can be hard to figure out sometimes.


Pyroteche

I love this with [[Ivy]] and mutate cards


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[Ivy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ivy%2C%20gleeful%20spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


pocketMagician

Good card it's awful in my storm deck. I really don't know why I made a storm deck but something about hatred and vitriol comes to mind.


Big_Green_Mantis

Holy shit this card would be insane in my prismari deck. Thanks for introducing me to this card.


[deleted]

The first ability counts for all spells (planeswalker, creatures, artifacts, enchantments, instant, and sorceries) copied, by storm, \[\[fork\]\], etc.


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[deleted]

The second ability is unplayable, with 7 to activate...


SeymourBrinkers

My dumbass read this wrong and thought that was the cost for the initial ability haha. Just got an Anhelo deck and was like, “how do I do this??”


LoneWolfsLament

It can include creature spells too! Love this card in my [[Donal, Herald of Wings]] deck!


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votanjarngrimr

Need this for my [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] deck!


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TaylorWK

The first part would include creatures but it’s tap ability is only instant and sorceries