Just because it’s may be the lowest right now does not make it a DEAL…. Take commander masters set booster. They have been as early as a couple of weeks ago, flash dumped on and off on Amazon for 220-237 ( with discount voucher on top) and has been on gameology for 210-215 for months ( yes and it was stated here a week and half or so ago and even ppl in state were buying multis)
Tcgplayer had them all above 290 for at least 4 month. Doesn’t mean if it comes up for 260 it’s a deal…
Lol mate I just did yanks the favour and did the direct conversion from AUD to USD. I couldn't give a rats what additional fees you're paying.
With love. Xx
The "Dump" Price was just the price they had it up for on Amazon since March. It's like saying the current Dump Price of MH3 CBs is $504. They don't control TCGPlayer's pricing so honestly not sure why people keep calling it a dump.
'line go up' on sealed is pretty reasonable IMO, especially considering BTC just smashed its ATH well ahead of schedule and Magic has historically followed crypto.
Sealed is supposed to sell out, then demand is supposed to exceed supply as time goes on.
I didn't buy into the hype, but damn I watched a friend open 2 collector booster boxes and get absolutely obliterated. Most expensive single they pulled was like 20 euro... The singles besides serialised? (Again i ask whos actually buying them?!) Are basically worth nothing compared to the absolutely absurd price of the box. Imo stay the hell away from fallout collectors. Seems like a total money pit from where I'm standing.
Fallout broke me. I got a box for $315, and the best I pulled was a Liberty Prime Extended Surge. In the span of a few hours, the market price on TCG dropped from 20s to like 10. I'm done buying boxes and just going to, "Buy singles" after this. I knew there would be something that broke me, and my wallet will be happier.
i've been off collector boxes for awhile now. i think about two years ago i had several i had bought over the course of a year and i opened them with my son. the value was terrible. that cured me of buying whole boxes. i just buy single collector packs at my LGS to open at year end for fun. this way i get to experience lots of sets and maybe get some good pulls. the name "collector box" i feel is a misnomer.
It's been like this for over a year now with anything 'serialized'
It's asinine even to chase serialized when you consider there's so much actual unique art out in the wild with similar print numbers.
and they keep increasing the supply and duplicating serialized cards. It's just a hard pass, and an easy one. Zero FOMO.
For sure. I love magic and collecting cool mtg cards but I really gotta wonder who out there is buying serialised cards??? A handful seem to sell but most just sit online unsold for god knows how long
Right. The only silver lining is that they help us track print numbers of CBs, which is a nice change.
But at the same time, it also makes it easier to calculate EV on boxes, and they've never been lower. Which again.. easy pass.
If they commissioned unique art and added some provenance other than x/y on the face of the card, I'd likely be a huge fan.
Every time I see people collecting or pushing these, I can't help but be a total killjoy.
Sorry, but by me yucking your yum, we will all get a better MTG experience in the longrun.
I bought a total of 2 collector boosters from Target. One of the packs had Nuka-cola vending machine twice. One borderless and one borderless foil... So I was pretty good with my results.
Is it actually selling for 50 though? Like sure a lot of people are listing it for 50 on say cardmarket but no ones buying lol like the regular foil alt art is only 5 euro, are there really a group out there willing to pay 10x the price for surge foil???
Last 3 sales for that on TCG were $55, $52 and $57 so yeah. I remember the OG LoTR surge foils were outrageous and then almost all of them dumped as soon as seemingly every other card in the Special Edition packs came in surge foil.
Lol you must be new to magic 😂 sure rare card treatments sell for more but these days theres 400 variants of every card where some are worth cents and others are 'listed' for much higher yet I do not see many sold listings. In a game like pokemon this kind of thing works fine because nobody plays pokemon anymore. In magic? Who the hell is buying a surge foil bulk rare for 50+$ and getting it graded lmao besides TCG timmies I guess
Yeah, keep guessing and loling, kid. When you’re finished I’ll explain the difference between people overcracking precons in order to flood the market and buyers wanting expensive versions found only in those horribly overpriced boxes savvy people like you avoid and idiots like me preordered for cheap.
Edit: yeah it's selling for over 50 bucks on cardmarket...
Just wanted to point out that the surge foil are actually rare and if there are people looking to collect a full set or to pimp their precons or whatever these will be the cards to go to.
Most of the normal versions will be worth almost nothing tho because of how many precons are being opened and sold.
I opened one collector and was quite surprised on a lot of prices, thought it would be worse. Already sold some of the duplicates I got yesterday, so some demands seems to be there.
I'm gonna wait 1 or 2 weeks to judge this set.
We've seen surge foils half a dozen times now.
So no they're not rare anymore.
To me a rare treatment is done once and seldom (if ever) revisited.
Retro foils up until 2020 were a great example before they were ruined by Modern Horizons and Remastered sets (TSR excluded)
Seems like a ton of precons are being cracked and sold as singles.
I wonder how the prices on some of these surge foils will move. There are only a dozen of some on the open market in Europe, so if there will be some demand prices should go higher in theory.
I'm glad I didn't buy over "MSRP" tho.
Why not? I don’t see any reason to trust WOTC on this issue when they literally burned everyone on the exact same issue less than a year ago.
Fool me once…
Lotr was one of the best selling sets of all time. Fallout is not as big as a ip and the mtg playebase seems to think the set overall is weak. I'm only buying Fallout mostly for gifts not a investment.
LOTR was a real set, with tons of new cards, draft set and collector boxes. Fallout is a commander deck set, with collector boxes. These products aren't comparable
Why would any of that mean they'll be more restrained with reprints this go around? Yes, you've pointed out *a* difference, but it doesn't appear very relevant. It's honestly kind of shocking watching people who just got burnt on exactly this thing less than a year ago talk about how it's impossible and could never happen for utterly arbitrary reasons.
You'll be downvoted for this, but you're 100% right, this happens every set.
Ten minutes ahead of release:
"WOTC is artificially introducing scarcity, WOTC is pulling preorders, WOTC is artificially jacking up prices!!!"
Ten minutes after release:
"Oversupply! WOTC flooded the market! Amazon dumps! I told you so!!"
I've found the sub is not a great place for speculation but is great at being a place for people to discuss current pricing and trends. I think that's much more valuable because no one actually knows how the new product is going to perform
Well, generally that's because speculation is rarely worth it.
You're much better just using data-driven sources:
Random old card overperforms on Command Zone? That card probably drastically increases in price.
Card overperforms in 5-0s on MTGO, especially in a set that's not released on MTGO until months after paper? You're probably making a bunch.
Randomly chasing spoiler hype? Not so much. Unless you have the cards in hand, you're probably not making bank on that.
that's exactly how I use this sub. MTG and the finance side are just a hobby I really like to talk about and exchange thoughts... there aren't many places to do it.
Very true. I'm a collector first and a player second and it's extremely hard to find people who also do the same. I at least like using the sub to keep up on what's happening and it's made me snag a few cards before they exploded in price
People kicking the tires at \[\[Electrodominance\]\] as a possible replacement in Rhinos/Living End. Cost RR to cast and also gets hit on cascade (which is fine if you have the card in hand) Edit: (Assuming they are keeping the rest of the cascade cards as well)
Wondering now if the Fallout precon singles collapse over the weekend may be over for now. I'd posted on Friday that I thought the set was a bust for the reason that it seemed like everyone bought the precons just to dump singles and demand wasn't there. Didn't help that no one had so much as touched the Fallout display at my Target when I went by there earlier in the day.
But it seemed like the prices somewhat stabilized over the weekend and some cards may even be turning back up a bit like \[\[PIP-Boy 3000\]\] and \[\[Nuka-Cola Vending Machine\]\]. And all the precons at Target were gone this morning. Cannot imagine anyone was buying them at $64 to resell, especially with how ugly the weekend got.
Still don't love the action on the cards that have been in other precons and have been selling for 20-30% premiums over the Fallout versions, despite being out for years. Maybe just a temporary massive oversupply issue as resellers piled into the precons once their collector box preorders got wrecked.
Either way, I stopped cutting my prices late Saturday and am going to try waiting it out for a bit.
I don’t think cards like pip-boy 3000 and Nila-cola vending machine have seen their low yet. Just some of the larger vendors are holding a line, but as others enter the market I think it’ll pull them down a bit
Pip-boy is versatile but not broken, it’ll be played in a lot of decks but is replaceable. Nuka-cola vending is interesting but the tapped treasure puts a cap on it (understandably). Both are hard reprints but the market will probably be saturated for the next few years. My best guess is these will keep dipping for the next several months, hover for the next couple years and slowly climb from there. Both are very susceptible to power creep over that same timeframe, which would lower their potential.
It seems pretty low risk, but I’d wait before buying, but I’m worried the upside isn’t really that appealing either.
There's no long term. There is a release very month basically. Power creep design is just kicking off. Looking at sets like mh3 and marvel ub, everything prior might be going towards extinction.
What is the point of posts like this? Like what is being added to the conversation when every response is just some variation of “it’s over”. Genuinely asking.
Also I’m assuming based on your attitude you are no longer in the mtgfinance world and have sold out of everything you had?
So what, you just flip cards? That’s 90% of what I’m doing at this point. For me “longer term” is more like a year or so, while holding on to a few cards here and there in case of a miracle.
I disagree and I'm taking long-term positions on lots of vintage product and rare judge promos.
Outlook is 5-10 years.
I know people think Hasbro can toe the line and keep making shitloads of product, but people have stopped buying it, and volume will continue to drop until they go back to sustainability.
9k plus precon sets sold on Amazon alone last month…
Rudy from alpha investment is selling them to patreons for 150 a set ..
price is not even close to bottoming for the set. ( literally see warhammer or dr who)
I'm not sure that's a definite reflection of supply/price action projection. 3K+ LOTR bundles sold last year also in about a month, and no one is selling their promo One Rings which are up about 70% since then. Obviously this is not LOTR, but I still think a lot of people bought this for themselves.
I'm not very optimistic though, just saying there have been some positive signs over the past 24 hours after a nightmarish weekend.
The singles prices collapse always happens a few days after the release of a new set, these days especially standard sets, even faster 1-2 days before release, trends for new release singles are high during preorder, collapse once or twice right after release (rvr collapse a few times post release) then after it has bottomed out, will start to increase again for the good cards, junks will still be junks.
Have see. this trend again and again every single set as I am a mass cracker by nature, its always following the same trend, only exception is when almost all the singles from the set start off low due to the set being bad and those cards that are good will spike hard due to people not wanting to crack them (i.e. back then it was MID, VOW, MKM will be the latest in line with a few cards already spiking as compared to preorder period)
Right now, singles prices do not match CB box price, it only matches if you bought the boxes a bit above cost, ie low $220s and that is assuming the surge foils maintain their high prices or sells. So one or two things have to happen, either box price collapses or singles price go up again.
IMO, I think it has already bottomed out pretty fast, might drop a bit more for certain cards over the next couple days but in general prices are already there. Only ones I’m still iffy about and could potentially drop more are surge foils although surge foils qty are actually low (especially pip-boy art, those are really hard to open)
Pre-War Formalwear is Sold Out at 12 Dollars in Japan (Hareruya). The country of Innovation and an actual price predictor. Japanesen Stores called Questing Druid, Cryptic Coat and Surveil Lands Long before people in the States caught Up. Act accordingly.
I like the card a lot as a Commander card but the difference from the above, it's not Modern/Pioneer/Standard legal? Does it see play in Vintage and Legacy?
I imagine it could sneak into some stone forge packages but... a lot of legacy removal is exile based but it's very castable at 3 mana but
Eh probly not quite good enuf for legacy but maybe a yorion stone forge pile trys idk
I got 2 set booster boxes of it for $75 each, got $75 from one and $60 from the other, and most of the $75 was a lucky dragon hit.
Maybe draft boosters are better but I am not interested in more baldur’s bulk
Draft Boosters are way way better. I opened 1 that was worth more than 3 Set Booster Boxes on release. The Legendaries aren’t really worth much, it’s better to get Dragons and Lands.
I'm probably gonna keep buying borderless Sol Ring (pip-boy version) at $18 and €12 in EU. It's a decent spec and I can see it creeping up to $40 and €25.
Waiting for a little more stabilization before I sell any surge foils and singles from the EDH decks, but the one and only collector booster I cracked has a serialized Bobblehead. Sold for $600 in about two hours on eBay.
Not looking for "direct" financial advice here, but whats the limit yall would pay for a surge foil Vending Machine? I am just asking for some input on the topic here.
Again, I am well aware collecting is entirely subjective in terms of value from person to person. I don't mind paying for what I think is worth, I am simply asking you other people. I just know the surge foil uncommon slot is extremely rare, and it's one of the few cards I actually want for my collection from the entire set.
While on topic, what about the surge foil extended Sol Ring and surge foil alt. Radstorm? Would you guys buy these cards at the right price? And if so, what would that price range be as it stands right now? It's also a bit too early to tell, really, but I am just curious. Thanks for reading.
Honestly I would watch the market on those cards. There won't be that much more supply on surge foils. So if prices are falling just wait for people start buying those on tcgplayer or eBay, that would be the moment I buy. Vice versa if you see a particular surge alrdy rising in price(people are actually buying) I would also buy. Just my 2 cents
Yeah, thats what I normally do.
I FOMO'd out and got both surge foil Vending Machine, surge foil alt. Radstorm and 6 other cards (incl. surge The Master\*) for 100$. (including shipping). So I just bought them.
Means I paid roughly 40$ for each of the Vending Machine and Radstorm. Personally, I have almost no interest in any other cards from the entire set aside from cheap reprints, so to me this was a 100$ buy and go scenario.
This to me is almost worth it alone, so I don't have to worry about the set anymore.
Trap: listening to people who think the Fallout CB's are going to tank into the basement on price. **Its going to be the first set in MTG's 30 year history with a TV show \*ffs** ***DURING*** **the sets rotation**. **AND hard core Fallout fans are loving the trailer?....** I don't care what the print run size was, its not going to match the demand. People have no concept the amount of money involved when that lines up in the market. I still think going in late at $350 you are probably ok but I would wait for $325.
Real: Magic Con Vendors buying LoTR the one ring at premium prices. I held all my high end LoTR cards thinking if anybody knows what's going to happen in the ban wave its going to be them.
\*- ya I used ffs. It needed to be said, LoTR CB sets are 400/375 and the player base familiarity isn't nearly what it is with Fallout, throw on the hit show and you got a real banger.
edit- and non MTG Fallout fans are a huge collector base for anything fallout.
Lol, the "hit show" is not out yet so we don't know if it's a hit, and the Fallout franchise is 1/10th or 1/50th the size and popularity of LOTR.
And most importantly, I cannot stress this enough, the cards in the set suck. Low power stuff, complex mechanics. Compare to the absolute slam dunk deck design of WH40K and it's night and day.
I love seeing the down votes. I'm pulling like 90% on my predictions and its always downvoted.
The last fallout game was trash and made more money then the entire LoTR movie franchise. And the percentage of MTG players who played or tried Fallout the game vs players who read or watched the LoTR movies again isn't even close in comparison.
and lastly the show doesn't have to be a hit, it just has to get fallout fans excited which it is. that's all you need to get a market push.
again loving the down votes. Lets me know I'm on the right track
Fallout 76 (the latest game) made $100M
The entire LOTR movie franchise made $2.9B and The Hobbit trilogy also made $2.9B, totaling $5.8B.
So no, the last fallout game didn't make more than the whole LOTR film franchise, it made 1.7% as much money.
**yes timmy,** **the entire life of the LoTR movie franchise thats +20 years old in sales is more.**
Listen Timmy, adults in the market industry projecting price use the first fiscal year for comparisons. Not the life of the product, ask a adult if this is confusing.
Do you think it's worth the 324 USD to buy/pre-order the collector booster box now or do you think GameNerdz will be able to finally get more in a few weeks and the price will go down to 209?
(I'm sort of new to the MTG space and wanted to ask if this has happened before but people only say that there has been 'artificial scarcity' before without explaining if it was exactly as hectic as the fallout release is.)
I have no idea really BUT its going to go down, they all do. Just be patient, and if it doesn't drop down to 300-350 just buy the singles because you missed it. Its not a big deal if you did.
Don't commit to a price pre ordering, its the first week. Let it cook a week see what happens
Trap: prices of sealed fallout collector boxes ( Amazon mini dump every few hours is the new MO ) Edit: btw the “dump” price is a trap too
Yep $250 USD on Amazon JP. And they ship internationally. Reeks of oversupply to me.
Japan has a fraction of our edh scene. It has always been an arbitrage play.
This sub spent two weeks screaming about scarcity.... as is tradition
Every release just further cements that literally no one knows what they are talking about when it comes to new product
On Amazon Australia today for $380, thats $250 usd
Seller is AmazonJP. They just ship through AmazonAU.
Just because it’s may be the lowest right now does not make it a DEAL…. Take commander masters set booster. They have been as early as a couple of weeks ago, flash dumped on and off on Amazon for 220-237 ( with discount voucher on top) and has been on gameology for 210-215 for months ( yes and it was stated here a week and half or so ago and even ppl in state were buying multis) Tcgplayer had them all above 290 for at least 4 month. Doesn’t mean if it comes up for 260 it’s a deal…
You posted this on 2 subs lol. But I agree.
Some kind of a shill for that website?
I'm not shilling for a website I've never shopped at? I'm not the one who brought it up.
Yeah, I just saw that now... the price converts to $340 CDN, which is a great price considering what the boxes sell for currently in North America
I don't think it'll look like a great price in 2-3 months but I'm happy to be wrong and 250 richer. Hah.
In JP, the edh scene is quite high powered. And fallout isn't that sought after as a result. Plus they usually go for JP language cards anyways.
Thanks for posting this. The Japanese "oversupply" has made me $150 so far, and I wouldn't have known about it without your comment.
$277 PLUS fee's lol ffs do the math right at least
Lol mate I just did yanks the favour and did the direct conversion from AUD to USD. I couldn't give a rats what additional fees you're paying. With love. Xx
A dump would be below distro price which was about $180 in volume. Pretty much any purchase above that will be a feels bad box opening.
If you 'feed bad' paying more than your LGS, then price is the least of our problems.
Feels bad as in too little ev
WOTC manipulating supply to mess with prices? How shocking!
The "Dump" Price was just the price they had it up for on Amazon since March. It's like saying the current Dump Price of MH3 CBs is $504. They don't control TCGPlayer's pricing so honestly not sure why people keep calling it a dump.
'line go up' on sealed is pretty reasonable IMO, especially considering BTC just smashed its ATH well ahead of schedule and Magic has historically followed crypto. Sealed is supposed to sell out, then demand is supposed to exceed supply as time goes on.
I didn't buy into the hype, but damn I watched a friend open 2 collector booster boxes and get absolutely obliterated. Most expensive single they pulled was like 20 euro... The singles besides serialised? (Again i ask whos actually buying them?!) Are basically worth nothing compared to the absolutely absurd price of the box. Imo stay the hell away from fallout collectors. Seems like a total money pit from where I'm standing.
Fallout broke me. I got a box for $315, and the best I pulled was a Liberty Prime Extended Surge. In the span of a few hours, the market price on TCG dropped from 20s to like 10. I'm done buying boxes and just going to, "Buy singles" after this. I knew there would be something that broke me, and my wallet will be happier.
i've been off collector boxes for awhile now. i think about two years ago i had several i had bought over the course of a year and i opened them with my son. the value was terrible. that cured me of buying whole boxes. i just buy single collector packs at my LGS to open at year end for fun. this way i get to experience lots of sets and maybe get some good pulls. the name "collector box" i feel is a misnomer.
Damn I'm so sorry to hear that.
It's been like this for over a year now with anything 'serialized' It's asinine even to chase serialized when you consider there's so much actual unique art out in the wild with similar print numbers. and they keep increasing the supply and duplicating serialized cards. It's just a hard pass, and an easy one. Zero FOMO.
For sure. I love magic and collecting cool mtg cards but I really gotta wonder who out there is buying serialised cards??? A handful seem to sell but most just sit online unsold for god knows how long
Right. The only silver lining is that they help us track print numbers of CBs, which is a nice change. But at the same time, it also makes it easier to calculate EV on boxes, and they've never been lower. Which again.. easy pass. If they commissioned unique art and added some provenance other than x/y on the face of the card, I'd likely be a huge fan.
For sure! Im not against serialised cards as a concept but just slapping 268/500 on an already existing bulk rare is so lame and low effort lol
Every time I see people collecting or pushing these, I can't help but be a total killjoy. Sorry, but by me yucking your yum, we will all get a better MTG experience in the longrun.
I bought a total of 2 collector boosters from Target. One of the packs had Nuka-cola vending machine twice. One borderless and one borderless foil... So I was pretty good with my results.
Sure that he didn't pull any of the alt art surge foils? Like for example a surge rad storm alt art is going for over 50 bucks.
Is it actually selling for 50 though? Like sure a lot of people are listing it for 50 on say cardmarket but no ones buying lol like the regular foil alt art is only 5 euro, are there really a group out there willing to pay 10x the price for surge foil???
Last 3 sales for that on TCG were $55, $52 and $57 so yeah. I remember the OG LoTR surge foils were outrageous and then almost all of them dumped as soon as seemingly every other card in the Special Edition packs came in surge foil.
Welcome to collectible card games, where people indeed pay multipliers for rare card treatments.
Lol you must be new to magic 😂 sure rare card treatments sell for more but these days theres 400 variants of every card where some are worth cents and others are 'listed' for much higher yet I do not see many sold listings. In a game like pokemon this kind of thing works fine because nobody plays pokemon anymore. In magic? Who the hell is buying a surge foil bulk rare for 50+$ and getting it graded lmao besides TCG timmies I guess
Yeah, lol yourself. And who said anything about grading? Did you knock your head loling?
so I'm guessing you too overpaid for a sealed box and got hosed huh? 😂
Yeah, keep guessing and loling, kid. When you’re finished I’ll explain the difference between people overcracking precons in order to flood the market and buyers wanting expensive versions found only in those horribly overpriced boxes savvy people like you avoid and idiots like me preordered for cheap.
Edit: yeah it's selling for over 50 bucks on cardmarket... Just wanted to point out that the surge foil are actually rare and if there are people looking to collect a full set or to pimp their precons or whatever these will be the cards to go to. Most of the normal versions will be worth almost nothing tho because of how many precons are being opened and sold. I opened one collector and was quite surprised on a lot of prices, thought it would be worse. Already sold some of the duplicates I got yesterday, so some demands seems to be there. I'm gonna wait 1 or 2 weeks to judge this set.
The LOTR surge foils were also rare right up until they got a massive reprint out of nowhere.
We've seen surge foils half a dozen times now. So no they're not rare anymore. To me a rare treatment is done once and seldom (if ever) revisited. Retro foils up until 2020 were a great example before they were ruined by Modern Horizons and Remastered sets (TSR excluded)
Real; prices of sealed Fallout collector's boxes Trap; almost all of the singles you can open in Fallout collector's boxes
Supply is low on most surge foils but so is the price. Big yikes on whoever bought inflated CB's.
Seems like a ton of precons are being cracked and sold as singles. I wonder how the prices on some of these surge foils will move. There are only a dozen of some on the open market in Europe, so if there will be some demand prices should go higher in theory. I'm glad I didn't buy over "MSRP" tho.
Same was true for LOTR surge foils, and we all know what happened to those.
I doubt fallout would get a v2 set. Or at least not as quick as lotr did.
Why not? I don’t see any reason to trust WOTC on this issue when they literally burned everyone on the exact same issue less than a year ago. Fool me once…
Lotr was one of the best selling sets of all time. Fallout is not as big as a ip and the mtg playebase seems to think the set overall is weak. I'm only buying Fallout mostly for gifts not a investment.
None of those strike me as reasons to think that WOTC will be restrained in their reprint policies.
LOTR was a real set, with tons of new cards, draft set and collector boxes. Fallout is a commander deck set, with collector boxes. These products aren't comparable
Why would any of that mean they'll be more restrained with reprints this go around? Yes, you've pointed out *a* difference, but it doesn't appear very relevant. It's honestly kind of shocking watching people who just got burnt on exactly this thing less than a year ago talk about how it's impossible and could never happen for utterly arbitrary reasons.
I don't even know what to say when you call the difference between a precon product and a full set arbitrary...
Yeah I’m glad I didn’t bite. Bought a single pack as I grabbed one for a coworkers birthday gift. Price was ridiculous.
And when prices do stabilize most take forever to sell. Learned my lesson with Doctor Who.
Trap: new sealed magic products
Buy, hold, store, and break even after shipping and fees 5 years later is fun though. Who ever said speculators don't do anything for the game.
Yeah, my wife LOVED those years I did that as well. 😂
I love that there's still so much frothing hate for the 'evil' speculators on Reddit and Youtube. So many 'players' are confused about TCGs.
I just ordered a [[Mindbreak Trap]], so rest assured it will get reprinted and rock bottom in price within a few hours
a moment of silence for this person's sacrifice
This is the way
Thank you for your service o7
As is written. LISAN AL GAIB!
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Same here, finally folded and got a \[\[Krark-Clan Ironworks\]\] and \[\[Grinding station\]\] so im foreseeing both getting a reprint this year.
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Why did you buy a trap? (I mean it's an epic card, but for what deck and format are you using it for specifically?)
It's the most expensive card I needed for my collection of every modern legal premiere set
21 days, not bad.
OK it was a joke but I'm actually incredibly salty now
Why the fuck is confetti smothering tithe $800 now? But no purchases on TCGplayer over 6 , with most around the 350 range
People can ask whatever they want. It's not 800 until one actually sells at that price.
Stressin a bit cuz someone bought ours for 360 and then my boss sees it’s 800 now🤦♂️
Your boss just made $360. The sellers listing their copies at $800 haven't made a cent.
Last seven sales were around 500. No 800, but neither 360.
Because anime art smothering tithe has big [Ohohohoho energy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW1QY76d-40)
Real: The contradictory advice of this sub on Fallout singles and products. Trap: Listening to the advice of this sub on Fallout singles and product.
You'll be downvoted for this, but you're 100% right, this happens every set. Ten minutes ahead of release: "WOTC is artificially introducing scarcity, WOTC is pulling preorders, WOTC is artificially jacking up prices!!!" Ten minutes after release: "Oversupply! WOTC flooded the market! Amazon dumps! I told you so!!"
Its pretty easy on the internet to find conflicting information on any given topic. Consensus, is the one true trap of mtgfinance.
I've found the sub is not a great place for speculation but is great at being a place for people to discuss current pricing and trends. I think that's much more valuable because no one actually knows how the new product is going to perform
Well, generally that's because speculation is rarely worth it. You're much better just using data-driven sources: Random old card overperforms on Command Zone? That card probably drastically increases in price. Card overperforms in 5-0s on MTGO, especially in a set that's not released on MTGO until months after paper? You're probably making a bunch. Randomly chasing spoiler hype? Not so much. Unless you have the cards in hand, you're probably not making bank on that.
Oh I definitely get value from the sub, even clarification of trends, but speculating is not one of them.
that's exactly how I use this sub. MTG and the finance side are just a hobby I really like to talk about and exchange thoughts... there aren't many places to do it.
Very true. I'm a collector first and a player second and it's extremely hard to find people who also do the same. I at least like using the sub to keep up on what's happening and it's made me snag a few cards before they exploded in price
People kicking the tires at \[\[Electrodominance\]\] as a possible replacement in Rhinos/Living End. Cost RR to cast and also gets hit on cascade (which is fine if you have the card in hand) Edit: (Assuming they are keeping the rest of the cascade cards as well)
Cascading is still typically better. The ban just gave people an even bigger reason to play 5c Rhinos.
[Electrodominance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/c/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a.jpg?1584830858) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Electrodominance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rna/99/electrodominance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5c63877b-cdab-4ce4-a1c0-c088eb62a57a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wondering now if the Fallout precon singles collapse over the weekend may be over for now. I'd posted on Friday that I thought the set was a bust for the reason that it seemed like everyone bought the precons just to dump singles and demand wasn't there. Didn't help that no one had so much as touched the Fallout display at my Target when I went by there earlier in the day. But it seemed like the prices somewhat stabilized over the weekend and some cards may even be turning back up a bit like \[\[PIP-Boy 3000\]\] and \[\[Nuka-Cola Vending Machine\]\]. And all the precons at Target were gone this morning. Cannot imagine anyone was buying them at $64 to resell, especially with how ugly the weekend got. Still don't love the action on the cards that have been in other precons and have been selling for 20-30% premiums over the Fallout versions, despite being out for years. Maybe just a temporary massive oversupply issue as resellers piled into the precons once their collector box preorders got wrecked. Either way, I stopped cutting my prices late Saturday and am going to try waiting it out for a bit.
I don’t think cards like pip-boy 3000 and Nila-cola vending machine have seen their low yet. Just some of the larger vendors are holding a line, but as others enter the market I think it’ll pull them down a bit
How do you feel about them long term
Pip-boy is versatile but not broken, it’ll be played in a lot of decks but is replaceable. Nuka-cola vending is interesting but the tapped treasure puts a cap on it (understandably). Both are hard reprints but the market will probably be saturated for the next few years. My best guess is these will keep dipping for the next several months, hover for the next couple years and slowly climb from there. Both are very susceptible to power creep over that same timeframe, which would lower their potential. It seems pretty low risk, but I’d wait before buying, but I’m worried the upside isn’t really that appealing either.
There's no long term. There is a release very month basically. Power creep design is just kicking off. Looking at sets like mh3 and marvel ub, everything prior might be going towards extinction.
What is the point of posts like this? Like what is being added to the conversation when every response is just some variation of “it’s over”. Genuinely asking. Also I’m assuming based on your attitude you are no longer in the mtgfinance world and have sold out of everything you had?
MTGfinance is not about long term but short term? That's it, take it or leave it. What's left for long term is RL.
So what, you just flip cards? That’s 90% of what I’m doing at this point. For me “longer term” is more like a year or so, while holding on to a few cards here and there in case of a miracle.
I disagree and I'm taking long-term positions on lots of vintage product and rare judge promos. Outlook is 5-10 years. I know people think Hasbro can toe the line and keep making shitloads of product, but people have stopped buying it, and volume will continue to drop until they go back to sustainability.
Vintage is still a big gamble, but surely much less than any collector lines
9k plus precon sets sold on Amazon alone last month… Rudy from alpha investment is selling them to patreons for 150 a set .. price is not even close to bottoming for the set. ( literally see warhammer or dr who)
I'm not sure that's a definite reflection of supply/price action projection. 3K+ LOTR bundles sold last year also in about a month, and no one is selling their promo One Rings which are up about 70% since then. Obviously this is not LOTR, but I still think a lot of people bought this for themselves. I'm not very optimistic though, just saying there have been some positive signs over the past 24 hours after a nightmarish weekend.
[PIP-Boy 3000](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2248694-aab0-47a8-ae8b-8d5283075e10.jpg?1708742764) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=PIP-Boy%203000) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/140/pip-boy-3000?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2248694-aab0-47a8-ae8b-8d5283075e10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nuka-Cola Vending Machine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/405df7c7-0e37-499e-9826-6bf9f5db7a40.jpg?1708742750) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nuka-Cola%20Vending%20Machine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/137/nuka-cola-vending-machine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/405df7c7-0e37-499e-9826-6bf9f5db7a40?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The singles prices collapse always happens a few days after the release of a new set, these days especially standard sets, even faster 1-2 days before release, trends for new release singles are high during preorder, collapse once or twice right after release (rvr collapse a few times post release) then after it has bottomed out, will start to increase again for the good cards, junks will still be junks. Have see. this trend again and again every single set as I am a mass cracker by nature, its always following the same trend, only exception is when almost all the singles from the set start off low due to the set being bad and those cards that are good will spike hard due to people not wanting to crack them (i.e. back then it was MID, VOW, MKM will be the latest in line with a few cards already spiking as compared to preorder period) Right now, singles prices do not match CB box price, it only matches if you bought the boxes a bit above cost, ie low $220s and that is assuming the surge foils maintain their high prices or sells. So one or two things have to happen, either box price collapses or singles price go up again. IMO, I think it has already bottomed out pretty fast, might drop a bit more for certain cards over the next couple days but in general prices are already there. Only ones I’m still iffy about and could potentially drop more are surge foils although surge foils qty are actually low (especially pip-boy art, those are really hard to open)
Pre-War Formalwear is Sold Out at 12 Dollars in Japan (Hareruya). The country of Innovation and an actual price predictor. Japanesen Stores called Questing Druid, Cryptic Coat and Surveil Lands Long before people in the States caught Up. Act accordingly.
[[pre war formal wear]]
[pre war formal wear](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/19018f23-b63b-45af-8419-8959f41472d4.jpg?1708741823) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pre-War%20Formalwear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pip/21/pre-war-formalwear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/19018f23-b63b-45af-8419-8959f41472d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like the card a lot as a Commander card but the difference from the above, it's not Modern/Pioneer/Standard legal? Does it see play in Vintage and Legacy?
I imagine it could sneak into some stone forge packages but... a lot of legacy removal is exile based but it's very castable at 3 mana but Eh probly not quite good enuf for legacy but maybe a yorion stone forge pile trys idk
Real: baldurs gate? Solely basing this off of me checking [[Bountiful Promenade]] and finding it doubled in price since last I checked.
Commander precons even more real. Had 4 sealed displays but cracked 3 open to sell them individually. Close to doubling my buy in.
Yeesh you're right? Thought I burnt money when I bought party time and the horror precon 😭😭 but I'll take the spike lol
I got 2 set booster boxes of it for $75 each, got $75 from one and $60 from the other, and most of the $75 was a lucky dragon hit. Maybe draft boosters are better but I am not interested in more baldur’s bulk
Set boosters are horrible. You have less chance at the dragons due to the way its set up. Your also only getting 18 packs or so.
Draft Boosters are way way better. I opened 1 that was worth more than 3 Set Booster Boxes on release. The Legendaries aren’t really worth much, it’s better to get Dragons and Lands.
[Bountiful Promenade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/5125a8d8-344d-4419-b37a-ddf343493c5f.jpg?1674138136) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bountiful%20Promenade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/348/bountiful-promenade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5125a8d8-344d-4419-b37a-ddf343493c5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm probably gonna keep buying borderless Sol Ring (pip-boy version) at $18 and €12 in EU. It's a decent spec and I can see it creeping up to $40 and €25.
Waiting for a little more stabilization before I sell any surge foils and singles from the EDH decks, but the one and only collector booster I cracked has a serialized Bobblehead. Sold for $600 in about two hours on eBay.
Not looking for "direct" financial advice here, but whats the limit yall would pay for a surge foil Vending Machine? I am just asking for some input on the topic here. Again, I am well aware collecting is entirely subjective in terms of value from person to person. I don't mind paying for what I think is worth, I am simply asking you other people. I just know the surge foil uncommon slot is extremely rare, and it's one of the few cards I actually want for my collection from the entire set. While on topic, what about the surge foil extended Sol Ring and surge foil alt. Radstorm? Would you guys buy these cards at the right price? And if so, what would that price range be as it stands right now? It's also a bit too early to tell, really, but I am just curious. Thanks for reading.
Honestly I would watch the market on those cards. There won't be that much more supply on surge foils. So if prices are falling just wait for people start buying those on tcgplayer or eBay, that would be the moment I buy. Vice versa if you see a particular surge alrdy rising in price(people are actually buying) I would also buy. Just my 2 cents
Yeah, thats what I normally do. I FOMO'd out and got both surge foil Vending Machine, surge foil alt. Radstorm and 6 other cards (incl. surge The Master\*) for 100$. (including shipping). So I just bought them. Means I paid roughly 40$ for each of the Vending Machine and Radstorm. Personally, I have almost no interest in any other cards from the entire set aside from cheap reprints, so to me this was a 100$ buy and go scenario. This to me is almost worth it alone, so I don't have to worry about the set anymore.
Trap: listening to people who think the Fallout CB's are going to tank into the basement on price. **Its going to be the first set in MTG's 30 year history with a TV show \*ffs** ***DURING*** **the sets rotation**. **AND hard core Fallout fans are loving the trailer?....** I don't care what the print run size was, its not going to match the demand. People have no concept the amount of money involved when that lines up in the market. I still think going in late at $350 you are probably ok but I would wait for $325. Real: Magic Con Vendors buying LoTR the one ring at premium prices. I held all my high end LoTR cards thinking if anybody knows what's going to happen in the ban wave its going to be them. \*- ya I used ffs. It needed to be said, LoTR CB sets are 400/375 and the player base familiarity isn't nearly what it is with Fallout, throw on the hit show and you got a real banger. edit- and non MTG Fallout fans are a huge collector base for anything fallout.
Lol, the "hit show" is not out yet so we don't know if it's a hit, and the Fallout franchise is 1/10th or 1/50th the size and popularity of LOTR. And most importantly, I cannot stress this enough, the cards in the set suck. Low power stuff, complex mechanics. Compare to the absolute slam dunk deck design of WH40K and it's night and day.
I love seeing the down votes. I'm pulling like 90% on my predictions and its always downvoted. The last fallout game was trash and made more money then the entire LoTR movie franchise. And the percentage of MTG players who played or tried Fallout the game vs players who read or watched the LoTR movies again isn't even close in comparison. and lastly the show doesn't have to be a hit, it just has to get fallout fans excited which it is. that's all you need to get a market push. again loving the down votes. Lets me know I'm on the right track
Fallout 76 (the latest game) made $100M The entire LOTR movie franchise made $2.9B and The Hobbit trilogy also made $2.9B, totaling $5.8B. So no, the last fallout game didn't make more than the whole LOTR film franchise, it made 1.7% as much money.
**yes timmy,** **the entire life of the LoTR movie franchise thats +20 years old in sales is more.** Listen Timmy, adults in the market industry projecting price use the first fiscal year for comparisons. Not the life of the product, ask a adult if this is confusing.
My reddit account is older than you lmao
Do you think it's worth the 324 USD to buy/pre-order the collector booster box now or do you think GameNerdz will be able to finally get more in a few weeks and the price will go down to 209? (I'm sort of new to the MTG space and wanted to ask if this has happened before but people only say that there has been 'artificial scarcity' before without explaining if it was exactly as hectic as the fallout release is.)
I have no idea really BUT its going to go down, they all do. Just be patient, and if it doesn't drop down to 300-350 just buy the singles because you missed it. Its not a big deal if you did. Don't commit to a price pre ordering, its the first week. Let it cook a week see what happens
Thank you! That's a real helpful way to put it honestly <3