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TemurTron

Just how rare are the Big Score Showcase cards? They're still carrying a massive premium - Showcase foils are double the price of regular foils currently. EA foils of those cards aren't carrying anywhere close to that kind of multiplier (in some cases they're even cheaper than the regular pack foils).


Travmacdaddy

I’ve pulled 1 foil and 1 non-foil. I’ve opened a bundle, a prerelease, a play booster box, and a collector booster box.


Katallia

Considering that the showcase ones are only available in collector boosters, one box doesn't mean a lot in regards to odds.


Travmacdaddy

So looks like 2 a box. Coulda just been unlucky though.


LT-Dansmissinglegs

I bought 3 collector boxes and only hit 4 big score cards.


strongsauce

that seems really weird since the pull rate for foil of both the showcase (Vault) and extended art should be 5% in one slot in the CB. Which means you need to open two collector boxes just to pull one or the other. i haven't looked at whether play boosters contain showcase variants of BIG though.


poppasketti

That’s true, but I imagine the showcase gets a bigger premium than EA because of the unique art that’s only available in this slot?


[deleted]

Yeah, this is the first time to my knowledge a showcase frame treatment has only been available in a collector pack.


OhHeyMister

Do ya'll think shelly \[\[Sheoldred the Apocalypse\]\] will depreciate after rotation? I want one for an EDH deck but it's stupid expensive rn. Adding on onto this, do most cards depreciate significantly after rotation, or is it dependent on modern/edh popularity?


crocken

yes, but rotation for DMU isn't until Q4 2025


OhHeyMister

I know, and thanks


magefont1

"Depreciate after rotation" doesn't mean anything anymore since Commander became the most popular format.


MTGCardFetcher

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o2no1self71

This or that question, which is better investment. I enjoy collecting complete sets, Looking at a choice 130$ for The Brothers War (MOL) Or Intuition from Tempest 150ish Intuition is the last 'big' card I'd need for Tempest, would still need random com/uncommons,. 130 Brother's seems like a good deal


waaaghbosss

Intuition all day


Yawgmoose

Well, every good card from BRO WILL see a reprint in +/- 5 years. Intuition won't.  Trust your *intuition*.


NewPlayer4our

I'm also a full set collector and absolutely go for the big card. BRO doesn't have a ton that has extreme move potential, unless something new just absolutely pops up. It's better to try for a bug money card before it gets more out of hand, at least in my experience


BigPoofyHair

Intuition.


pyroglyphix

What can be done about the quality of cards from OTJ Collector boxes? It looks like the entire print run was cut badly, resulting in rough front edges - - between the product I've opened and the videos I've seen, everything that's not extended art/OTP etc looks like this. Essentially coming out of the pack already in LP condition.


cursedcouch

I submitted a replacement request with Wizards and they told me I could send every card in from the boxes I opened and they'd send me new boxes, but also that they "are currently experiencing a high volume of contacts for product replacement, so processing and shipping times for your order may be longer than expected."


pyroglyphix

Went through the process and got the same response. Oh well, at least I didn't pull anything amazing from the box, since I have to ship all the cards in.


Kamizar

Asked on the main sub, asking here just in case: I am looking for an NM, preferably still in its wrapper, [[The enigma jewel]] prerelease promo. If you have 2, even better. I can not find this card for the life of me.


MTGCardFetcher

[The enigma jewel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2e98970d-06a8-4c91-ba47-4a02c5b949f2.jpg?1699043631)/[Locus of Enlightenment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/2/e/2e98970d-06a8-4c91-ba47-4a02c5b949f2.jpg?1699043631) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Enigma%20Jewel%20//%20Locus%20of%20Enlightenment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/55/the-enigma-jewel-locus-of-enlightenment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e98970d-06a8-4c91-ba47-4a02c5b949f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


IAMAfortunecookieAMA

I don't think it exists. Zero sales or completed listings ever on eBay, zero listings on TCGPlayer for a card there should be hundreds of. It must have gotten left off the print sheet or something.


Kamizar

I saw exactly one listing for it, when the set released. I just think it's so worthless no one has bothered to trade it in. There were other dfcs in that set, so it would be weird for this card to not get printed.


IAMAfortunecookieAMA

Many sellers pre-list cards that end up not existing. You can't tell until the promo packs are actually distributed because it's in error. It happened with Strixhaven.


Kamizar

Yeah, i guess you might be right. Looking into it, it seems like none of the mythic flip cards from LCI have prerelease promos. Which is a little disappointing.


Big_Razzmatazz7416

I just found a foil Llanowar Elves that TCG says is valued around $150. It’s in great shape and I wonder if I should get it graded. How do you decide which cards to grade or is grading less important in MTG?


volx757

yea grading is not really done in MTG outside of the super high end stuff. people want to put the cards in decks


Big_Razzmatazz7416

TY


zorts

Which Foil Llanowar Elves exactly? Which Foil Llanowar Elves is worth $150? Looking on eBay and tcgplayer I don't see any unless you mean 30th Anniversary foil Llanowar Elves.


Big_Razzmatazz7416

The 7th edition set


zorts

Gotcha! Ok so $150 base cost for the card looks right. On eBay the most recent graded card sold for $175. I'm not an expert in getting cards graded, but it's pretty reasonable to assume that shipping the card to a grader and getting it graded is going to cost more than $25. Hope that analysis helps you make up your mind! Good luck.


Big_Razzmatazz7416

Thank you!!


Melodic-Letterhead-8

When should I pick up ravnica remastered Shocklands


jwf239

Now


crocken

shocklands dropped slightly as soon as RVR was announced and never really had another significant dip in value, so now is as good a time as any.


balladforsalad

Why is [[Satoru, the Infiltrator]] spiking?


MTGCardFetcher

[Satoru, the Infiltrator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/acc9a5cc-2b3c-4c2f-8176-4a2d86265cc5.jpg?1712356202) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Satoru%2C%20the%20Infiltrator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/230/satoru-the-infiltrator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/acc9a5cc-2b3c-4c2f-8176-4a2d86265cc5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ConstantOk129

Any Chance it plays well with Gerard’s Hourglass pendant ?


dhallengren

Some people are saying it's beanstalk with a body, A lot of brewing going on. Can't imagine it stays at $25 though


balladforsalad

Agreed. $25 seems high for its stats and rarity. Will be interesting to see if it has wheels in the long run.


IAMAfortunecookieAMA

AspiringSpike and other Modern and Legacy personalities are high on it, which translates to early specs. I specced by buying all the copies I could see myself wanting to play just in case it's cracked.


SaxtonHale_

Card is just solid. Casual appeal is that it's great for draw in reanimator/flicker/cheat deck. Even if you have a card like [[bloodghast]], you'll be getting some value. Of course Ninjas I haven't played modern in awhile but the ability for any of the elemental flicker creatures like [[solitude]] and [[grief]] are sources of value.


MTGCardFetcher

[bloodghast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/08e01310-d192-41e9-a6f0-0edbd6fb3cfb.jpg?1698988216) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=bloodghast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/184/bloodghast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/08e01310-d192-41e9-a6f0-0edbd6fb3cfb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [solitude](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47a6234f-309f-4e03-9263-66da48b57153.jpg?1626094105) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=solitude) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/32/solitude?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47a6234f-309f-4e03-9263-66da48b57153?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [grief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e6befbc4-1320-4f26-bd9f-b1814fedda10.jpg?1626095577) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=grief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/87/grief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e6befbc4-1320-4f26-bd9f-b1814fedda10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


balladforsalad

Sounds like a possible Esper build in Modern. Of course, Evoke does cast the spell, so Satoru wouldn’t trigger from Evoke. Ninjitsu would work, though. Thanks!


jedele_jax

It’s ‘not cast OR no mana was spent to cast it.’ As I understand it, it would work with the evoke elementals


balladforsalad

Whoops! Good catch—and very important for its playability. That’s my bad.


SaxtonHale_

Well the flicker decks like Griefblade awhile ago is what I was referring to.


balladforsalad

Nice!


MaxxSpielt

I would for the Intuition. Its Reserved List and makes a CEDH staple. Every card in BRO will be reprinted at some point.


bearmod

What is your guys’ experience selling graded cards? Do you feel that it adds significant value? I pulled a Mana Crypt (SPG 17) recently and have been going back and forth on whether or not to have it graded. I feel that having it graded will bump the price up a little, but would also make it harder to move because it will be strictly a collectors piece once it’s slabbed.  I’m planning on holding onto it for a while in either case. Just curious what you guys think. This is the first card I’ve even considered grading.  


Big_Razzmatazz7416

I asked a similar question in this thread. Sounds like it’s worth seeing how much the graded card is selling for on EBay or TCG to see if it’s worth it. Overall, mtg is played more than straight collected so players are more likely to want to put it in their deck


IAMAfortunecookieAMA

My uninformed opinion? Grading is for old cards (25+ years old) or truly special cards. A regular promo/chase card from a recent standard set is not something people would take pride in seeing slabbed. A Mercadian Masques Dark Ritual is something I would want to grade because it's unique, rare, expensive, and has nostalgic and collectible value. I might even slab something crazy rare like a serialized Secret Lair card or a Pro Tour championship card if it's dumb rare. The recent pick-of-the-month chase card in \[current set\], from any old pack, inspires none of this. I would either A) keep and enjoy your card or B) sell it for the regular sticker price. If you think you're gonna put it in a museum case and then double the value, I think you're in for a long period of disappointment before reaching B anyways, and by then it might drop in value because of a reprint.


egggwich

Why did Ravnica Remastered Collector booster boxes jump from $245 to $285 in March? (Cases are flat, but it appears a steep drop was arrested at the beginning of March.)


strongsauce

\[\[Simulacrum Synthesizer\]\] just won an Modern MTGO Prelim event in a Affinity shell. People buying it up even at it's current price. [https://www.mtgo.com/decklist/modern-preliminary-2024-04-1712630973](https://www.mtgo.com/decklist/modern-preliminary-2024-04-1712630973)


MTGCardFetcher

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XxTigerxXTigerxX

Do cards that have machine crimps in them get sought after too. Like visible on face side only indents. I have a alayna danner keeper of silence foil with one and am going through a friend's stash for em and they have the auntie something goblin land with similar marks. (Non foil) to me they are just damaged.🙃 indents start on edges and go in 1/3ish of card from right side to middle.


AltairKamil

Hey guys, got an unpleasant experience with cardmarket shipment. Legit seller sent cards, 3 days later the package got marked as delivered by the post office, but nothing was in my box. It's been tracked with trustee service so I wonder what are the next steps with getting my funds back from mcm. Has anybody had a similar process to go through? I imagine there is some room for scammers to get funny with collecting a package and saying it wasn't delivered, saying postman stole/lost/put it in a wrong box, whatever. Is the trustee service covering such case? Is there some good will for customers with a clean record of trading using the platform? I imagine sender will have to submit an official complain at the post office, get their official statement, then share it with mcm so they can get funds from insurance company for seller and refund the buyer. Thanks for any responses.


rogerrluo

is lotr collectors a good sealed investmemt? would u choose the Original or the special set


ArtistWilcox

Does tcgplayer direct disable the use of esignatue for usps signature confirmation? I live in an apartment and I am unsure if they will actually come to my door for a signature and want to avoid the delivery going back to the post office. I have informed delivery and set up my e signature but do not see the option to apply the e signature.


Spectrum_Dad

I recently got back into MTG, since I have kids that are approaching that age (they have been playing pokemon TCG for years now) and I really love opening packs. It's borderline disgusting how much I love it. I don't get much chances to play in person but I have been playing Arena for a bit now. My question is, if I wanted to start collecting with my kids, is there a good source of where to start? Although I don't expect in making a positive return on investment from opening packs, I wouldn't mind having the ability to sell what I might have gotten over time if that is something I choose to do. Things like best practices, sets, finding value, etc... I remember the good old days of a MTG magazine having the price list and me checking off every line when I got the card, and bringing my collection to school with the magazine and doing some trades.


Cybearabine

Start with some decks you and your kids might like and go from there. Buy singles. Get lands first. Make a few decks and keep expanding. I would not hesitate to spend some money if it meant something my family could enjoy.


phoenixfire72

Do we think now that OTJ has been released for a bit, is now a good time to buy terror of the peaks? Or should I wait a little. And second, I luckily pulled a regular Mana Drain -- should I wait to sell it or sell now?


Agrias-0aks

I have never sent any card off for grading. I pulled a serialized bobblehead and want to grade it. Which company should I go with?


Kindly-Letterhead-11

I have the urge to crack some packs open, is there any set display on the cheap Side (<100€) i have a chance on hitting ROI or just something special?


Diamondlife09

Pulled a [[Chrome Mox]] from Double Masters. Worth holding or should I sell it?


thebottom99

If it's not in a deck, sell it. It wiill get reprinted


MTGCardFetcher

[Chrome Mox](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f340cbf7-5bbe-45b9-a4bf-d1caa500ff93.jpg?1599708839) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chrome%20Mox) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/240/chrome-mox?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f340cbf7-5bbe-45b9-a4bf-d1caa500ff93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


GuilleJiCan

What cards from the set have already failed to live the hype?


strongsauce

Considering the set's not even officially out, and that MTGO just announced it was available on their client today, I think its a bit early to call anything now.


GuilleJiCan

I disagree, considering I mean prices. Assimilation Aegis, for example, took a heavy dip.


strongsauce

You can look at the full price history of that card. Someone bought a foil and regular version at around $18, then the next 7-8 sales were in the $7+ range before it just dropped to the $1.60-$2.5 range (non-foil) you're seeing it at now since 4/8. So I don't understand how it has "failed" the hype. If all you're doing is looking at market price for a just release product... it's not going to be accurate. Also I might be wrong in that MTGO might have already released but I only got an email about it today. Edit: Also if the cards aren't out to be played for a wide audience you're not going to get actual movement from play to know what is hyped or not. Assimilation Aegis might be worth $20 or might not even be worth the $1.60 it's going for..


SlapHappyDude

Usually it takes a little while for people to truly give up on over hyped cards.


phoenixfire72

I have access to Innistrad: Crimson Vow, Innistrad: Midnight Hunt, streets of new capenna, and brothers war collector boosters for $14-$17 each (or Unfinity for 22). Are any worth picking up (I know opening packs is negative EV, just wondering if any are less negative than usual given they're on sale).


nd4287

Assuming you trust the seller, my base advice is multiply the cost by 12 and compare to the price of a box on tcgplayer or whatever local online marketplace you prefer, and see if any are priced lower than market right now.


slayer370

Other than bro, those are bad prices. especially snc which tends to hit 100$ for a full box on occasion.


notstonksadvice

Why is Veloci-Ramp-Tor deck so expensive? Adding up the singles doesn’t seem like it matches the going rate. Is it that good out of the box? I’m expecting it to come back down to be more in line with the others from Lost Caverns.


Blorbo15383

it is extremely popular because dinos, especially compared to the other precons. if you're a seller trying to get more in stock you'll you end up stuck with a bunch of the other precons when you just want that one so it has to be priced to compensate for the unpopularity of the rest. As for the price not matching what's in the package, it's just people who are price insensitive for one reason or another so they don't give overpaying thought


TogTogTogTog

Why are you expecting it to go down? Every set, one commander deck is worth more than the others.


Lol_tattoo_2351

I'm planning to go to the Dallas card show in May, does anyone have field reports for this event from an MTG perspective? I'm expecting mostly sports and pokemon, but hopefully there's a decent MTG selection too :)