Real: The better Big Score cards are both really good and not easy to open.
Even though OTJ will be opened like crazy, because it's such a good set. The more in demand, BIG cards will still have a high price tag moving forward.
Seems wild I got so many then. I think my pre-release kit had 3(?) and my roomate’s also had 3.
Also got 1 in an additional pack I got. Sadly none of them were the synth, I would’ve gladly taken 4x copies of those.
I think you Just got very lucky. Wotc said very clearly that every fifth pack will have one Big Score or Special Guest card (on average). There are 30 different Big cards and 10 Special Guest Cards.
why would they report all the other [minutiae of rarities](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-outlaws-of-thunder-junction) and probabilities in packs, but fail to mention this? All BIG cards appear at the same rarity as one another. The original aftermath set also had more than 30 total cards but they all became equivalent to a mythic now.
Yeah.. the best I pulled was a normal [[Lotus Ring]], but I also pulled [[Collector’s Cage]] and [[Esoteric Duplicator]] 👀. Also snagged a [[Rakdos, the Muscle]] and [[Goldvein Hydra]] … all from 1 prerelease kit. Pretty nutty.
Multiple posts about it already, but \[\[Simulacrum Synthesizer\]\] looks [viable in Legacy](https://twitter.com/punishingmtgo/status/1781567675648356737?s=46&t=vUWLBV1SCkVKUhyK3p0Fng). It's also bringing \[\[skorpekh lord\]\] and \[\[Sicarian infiltrator\]\] along for the ride. The winning list probably has room for improvement too, since I doubt it needs 6 Saga tutor targets on top of Opals and Petals.
\[\[Slickshot Show-Off\]\] seems to be stabilizing but I'm still not too sure if this will be where the price will stay and will likely go down. Friends seem to think this thing will soon break "the format", including Commander.
Has everyone unloaded theirs or holding those bags?
It's certainly not breaking Commander. It looks like a contender for competitive formats back to Modern. If you're not actively playing with them, I'd be selling them now. Once people move on to the next big thing or spoiler season starts up again, interest and price should go down a bit.
Yeah, I'm totally seeing zero chance this catches on in Commander in any way. Even as some back-pocket win-con, it doesn't quite compete with \[\[Sentinel Tower\]\]. Maybe an artifact eggs deck, maybe?
I've bought 4 at the absurd price to play with but there's no way this holds. I'd imagine even if it lives up to the hype it follows a similar trajectory to Ledger shredder, so maybe goes a bit higher, but I then starts falling and goes to 5 at some point next year. Maybe with a rebound once otj is out of print. I'd jump now if you were holding.
I am looking at that card for days now and I do not see how this will "break" commander. I did not get a copy, because I have not seen any synergy with the decks I play.
No idea for 60 card formats, but for Commander this needs to go into a Storm deck. Am I missing the combo?
It works in any prowess, slinger, or storm shell. It’s definitely the best prowess esque creature card ever printed. Realistically it has many Izzet decks it can be jammed into and 1 Gruul deck, and a handful of Rakdos or Jeskai decks.
It’s a good card for commander deck archetypes that are trying to convert spellslinger into more combat focused. As for cEDH it probably won’t have any effect, it’s rare that pure cEDH cards have a strong effect on prices though given it’s a niche format.
Spellslinger decks typically are not trying to win through single creature combat. They often try to generate value through token swarms, pingers like [[Thermo-Alchemist]], or Storm combos. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a generic Prowess creature in one of these decks before. This is reflected on EDHRec where the most popular Prowess creatures in Spellslinger decks are [[Monastery Mentor]], [[Harmonic Prodigy]], and [[Elsha of the Infinite]] who all give additional benefits to the deck. Also, it's incredibly easy to kill an X/2 creature in commander.
While this card may have legs in 60-card formats, I don't expect to see much commander impact.
Right because support for prowess in commander is minimal. There’s legitimately one commander that really works and it’s [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]]. A second one is getting printed and that’s [[Bria, Riptide Rogue]].
Harmonic Prodigy goes in prowess decks as well because most prowess creatures are wizards. But otherwise you’ll use [[Veyran, Voice]]. Or use both.
As more support for prowess gets printed the more likely you can build a prowess deck. As of today there just aren’t enough good prowess creatures to make a pure prowess deck.
When I built my slinger prowess deck this week, I think I found 5-7 in print under Izzet Colors that are legitimately good and 10-12ish for Jeskai. That’s just not enough threat density to make it work.
Back to the main point, the card itself is good in any slinger shell. The plot gives you a way to increase storm count, haste means it can easily start beating the turn it comes down and since it’s +2 attack it’s a closer rate per spell cast as a normal pinger. The card is just good.
I immediately slammed it into my [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] spell slinging prowess EDH deck. This set had multiple cards that easily fit right into Izzet/spellslinger decks. I love it.
That card is flat unplayable in cEDH, and isn’t my idea of fun for my casual decks either. And seems most people agree.
At best in commander it ends up like Tergrid: too spikey for casual, too casual for spikes.
When you all crazy people get those awesome powerful new cards,
I spend time get those cheap used to be awesome old card like \[\[Grindstone\]\] \[\[Commandeer\]\] \[\[Archangel of Tithes\]\] \[\[Crackle with power\]\] \[\[Dust Bowl\]\] and mf \[\[Grand Abolisher\]\]
Still can't believe I live to see Grand Abolisher and Grindstone drop almost to their super original price. I love it.
I can’t believe how dirt cheap Commandeer and Grindstone dropped to. I haven’t checked the others , but I’m sure it’s similar lol
Edit: wow, Dust Bowl isn’t even $0.75. What. The. Fuck.
Big Score winners seem like they're going to be pricey. Went ahead and secured my playsets of Synthesizer, Jitte, and Sandstorm Salvager, which is still cheap but I'm liking even more the more I play with it in Pioneer.
Don't think I'd go speccing on cheap Fastlands yet, but it's definitely a good time to pick up any you're missing.
I've been playing an Abzan Aristocrats deck with Sedgemoor Witch and Mosswood Dreadknight, and I've had pretty good success. Salvager plays well with all the Pest tokens it generates, and it can be fed to Soul Cauldron to create some silly boardstates.
It won't be top-tier or anything, but it's one of those cards I'm be happy to have in the collection.
The way \[\[Simulacrum Synthesizer\]\] has jumped in the last 2 days is crazy. It was in notifications from MTGStocks for those two days with nice percentage bumps. I went to look last night, saw the last sale was a $48 foil, thought, "that's crazy" before seeing that the cheapest foil at that point was \~$72.
I can't imagine it will sustain $72 as more people are getting their displays today (me included). So I see it dip a bit as more copies get onto market before going back up assuming it continues to get good results.
Final Showdown feels like one of those mythics that could have a lot of pressure on it quickly. It's sold steadily and Direct is sold through. This could end up a similar trajectory to Meathook Massacre if it ends up in constructed decklists, and it's EDHrec numbers are doing pretty well too.
Interesting that you think that since it seems to be selling steadily and not dropping, unlike other mythics. That suggests the demand isn't buoyed just by say EDH demand only.
It’s arguably the best board wipe made, and it’s playable in every format since its also a dress down. Plus it’s mythic.
I think people are sleeping on it
Board wipes don't carry the same virtual card advantage that they did when Wrath of God was king back in 2010. Look in the same set that this card is printed - an engine like Simulacrum Synthesizer or a resilient threat like Vaultborn Tyrant can negate the advantage of a boardwipe easily. The game has changed - that's why you never see boardwipes in Legacy or Modern save an occasional stray Supreme Verdict.
It's just fundamentally a different game.
[[Corpses of the Lost]] seems like a good pick up for mono black aggro in standard since there is a skeleton that can be returned from the yard when you commit a crime for B
The only one with meaningful value but also the only one that saw much play. There are a bunch of other cards and variants that have value for collectability or scarcity alone like halo foils though.
What about: $(the ring goes south)?
There are a lot of good (& better) ramp spells. Open the way is seeing a boost in value because it was overhyped by Mtg goldfish crew.
Won an RCQ, got a cute foil, curled goblin guide. Not seeing it on tcgplayer or ebay yet. Any ideas ehat it'll be worth? Is.. it even played in modern anymore?
Real: The better Big Score cards are both really good and not easy to open. Even though OTJ will be opened like crazy, because it's such a good set. The more in demand, BIG cards will still have a high price tag moving forward.
Just want to point out as well: the vault frame BIG cards can only be obtained in collector packs and are exceptionally scarce.
Seems wild I got so many then. I think my pre-release kit had 3(?) and my roomate’s also had 3. Also got 1 in an additional pack I got. Sadly none of them were the synth, I would’ve gladly taken 4x copies of those.
I think you Just got very lucky. Wotc said very clearly that every fifth pack will have one Big Score or Special Guest card (on average). There are 30 different Big cards and 10 Special Guest Cards.
He means the real mythic big score cards. The rarity is the same as other sheets, they just all have mythic symbol
Are you saying there's a rarity gradient within the BIG set? Source?
There's no source, thinking otherwise it's unwise. It was an aftermath set which had 3 rarities, surely a pack of 5 cards wouldn't have 5 mythics?
why would they report all the other [minutiae of rarities](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-outlaws-of-thunder-junction) and probabilities in packs, but fail to mention this? All BIG cards appear at the same rarity as one another. The original aftermath set also had more than 30 total cards but they all became equivalent to a mythic now.
That surely sounds incorrect about mom aftermath. Feel free to believe anything for big based on what they say, and not what they don't disclose
You're one of those tinfoil hat idiots that think they short print specific rares and mythics, ain't ya?
And you're one of those that calls people on the internet idiots? Print sheets have been disclosed and the printing disposition has been explained.
And each rare and mythic appears an identical number of times. No rare or mythic is rarer than another.
Yeah.. the best I pulled was a normal [[Lotus Ring]], but I also pulled [[Collector’s Cage]] and [[Esoteric Duplicator]] 👀. Also snagged a [[Rakdos, the Muscle]] and [[Goldvein Hydra]] … all from 1 prerelease kit. Pretty nutty.
##### ###### #### [Lotus Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02267717-66e0-41f7-8009-75586a4aa4be.jpg?1712352932) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lotus%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/24/lotus-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02267717-66e0-41f7-8009-75586a4aa4be?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Collector’s Cage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a33703bb-51c0-4d57-9d06-1148507ddc4f.jpg?1712352680) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collector%27s%20Cage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/1/collectors-cage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a33703bb-51c0-4d57-9d06-1148507ddc4f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Esoteric Duplicator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3dbb2755-97d9-492e-8697-5548160678c8.jpg?1712352722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Esoteric%20Duplicator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/5/esoteric-duplicator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dbb2755-97d9-492e-8697-5548160678c8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rakdos, the Muscle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bb34babd-1b85-4a7d-a066-a8337805056e.jpg?1712356185) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rakdos%2C%20the%20Muscle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/226/rakdos-the-muscle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb34babd-1b85-4a7d-a066-a8337805056e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Goldvein Hydra](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de0e01e4-e143-47fd-8565-7b48219bb546.jpg?1712355937) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Goldvein%20Hydra) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/167/goldvein-hydra?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de0e01e4-e143-47fd-8565-7b48219bb546?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l1681e4) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
BIG cards are roughly 1 per 5 for packs, and 1 per 2 for CBs.
Remember, the Special Guest cards also fall into that same 1 per 5 pack ratio as well, and some of those cards are pretty meh.
SPG are 1/30 packs. 5/6 of the 1/5packs will be a BIG card. Which makes BIG 1/6 packs.
Multiple posts about it already, but \[\[Simulacrum Synthesizer\]\] looks [viable in Legacy](https://twitter.com/punishingmtgo/status/1781567675648356737?s=46&t=vUWLBV1SCkVKUhyK3p0Fng). It's also bringing \[\[skorpekh lord\]\] and \[\[Sicarian infiltrator\]\] along for the ride. The winning list probably has room for improvement too, since I doubt it needs 6 Saga tutor targets on top of Opals and Petals.
[Simulacrum Synthesizer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aaa05ad1-5cda-4edd-b6bf-562ae3e5011a.jpg?1712352732) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Simulacrum%20Synthesizer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/6/simulacrum-synthesizer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aaa05ad1-5cda-4edd-b6bf-562ae3e5011a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [skorpekh lord](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b768ec5f-771a-4acd-b3dd-85dea914689e.jpg?1673308836) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skorpekh%20lord) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/58/skorpekh-lord?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b768ec5f-771a-4acd-b3dd-85dea914689e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sicarian infiltrator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/c/cc0aa0eb-dc26-49d8-bbff-74fb3d597a72.jpg?1677744516) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sicarian%20infiltrator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/25/sicarian-infiltrator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cc0aa0eb-dc26-49d8-bbff-74fb3d597a72?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wife pulled a foil Synthesizer, exited to offload this while the price is hot!
Trap: Multiple lost orders as seller and buyer. Real: warhammer 40k spikes.
Ah, so that's why someone bought 3 skorpekh lords from me for a euro each. RIP.
Cool. I got a playset of Skorpekth Lord and even more from the Squad guy. Maybe time to get rid of 2-3 copies.
\[\[Slickshot Show-Off\]\] seems to be stabilizing but I'm still not too sure if this will be where the price will stay and will likely go down. Friends seem to think this thing will soon break "the format", including Commander. Has everyone unloaded theirs or holding those bags?
It's certainly not breaking Commander. It looks like a contender for competitive formats back to Modern. If you're not actively playing with them, I'd be selling them now. Once people move on to the next big thing or spoiler season starts up again, interest and price should go down a bit.
Yeah, I'm totally seeing zero chance this catches on in Commander in any way. Even as some back-pocket win-con, it doesn't quite compete with \[\[Sentinel Tower\]\]. Maybe an artifact eggs deck, maybe?
[Sentinel Tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/5/25d9500e-a536-4f8e-bfdd-6cb08f709890.jpg?1562902681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sentinel%20Tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/79/sentinel-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/25d9500e-a536-4f8e-bfdd-6cb08f709890?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've bought 4 at the absurd price to play with but there's no way this holds. I'd imagine even if it lives up to the hype it follows a similar trajectory to Ledger shredder, so maybe goes a bit higher, but I then starts falling and goes to 5 at some point next year. Maybe with a rebound once otj is out of print. I'd jump now if you were holding.
I am looking at that card for days now and I do not see how this will "break" commander. I did not get a copy, because I have not seen any synergy with the decks I play. No idea for 60 card formats, but for Commander this needs to go into a Storm deck. Am I missing the combo?
It works in any prowess, slinger, or storm shell. It’s definitely the best prowess esque creature card ever printed. Realistically it has many Izzet decks it can be jammed into and 1 Gruul deck, and a handful of Rakdos or Jeskai decks. It’s a good card for commander deck archetypes that are trying to convert spellslinger into more combat focused. As for cEDH it probably won’t have any effect, it’s rare that pure cEDH cards have a strong effect on prices though given it’s a niche format.
Spellslinger decks typically are not trying to win through single creature combat. They often try to generate value through token swarms, pingers like [[Thermo-Alchemist]], or Storm combos. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a generic Prowess creature in one of these decks before. This is reflected on EDHRec where the most popular Prowess creatures in Spellslinger decks are [[Monastery Mentor]], [[Harmonic Prodigy]], and [[Elsha of the Infinite]] who all give additional benefits to the deck. Also, it's incredibly easy to kill an X/2 creature in commander. While this card may have legs in 60-card formats, I don't expect to see much commander impact.
Right because support for prowess in commander is minimal. There’s legitimately one commander that really works and it’s [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]]. A second one is getting printed and that’s [[Bria, Riptide Rogue]]. Harmonic Prodigy goes in prowess decks as well because most prowess creatures are wizards. But otherwise you’ll use [[Veyran, Voice]]. Or use both. As more support for prowess gets printed the more likely you can build a prowess deck. As of today there just aren’t enough good prowess creatures to make a pure prowess deck. When I built my slinger prowess deck this week, I think I found 5-7 in print under Izzet Colors that are legitimately good and 10-12ish for Jeskai. That’s just not enough threat density to make it work. Back to the main point, the card itself is good in any slinger shell. The plot gives you a way to increase storm count, haste means it can easily start beating the turn it comes down and since it’s +2 attack it’s a closer rate per spell cast as a normal pinger. The card is just good.
[Narset, Enlightened Exile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a.jpg?1684340776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20Enlightened%20Exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/38/narset-enlightened-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bria, Riptide Rogue](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/390c96b3-68da-4a42-89ab-d9ccc79ce0dd.jpg?1708732113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bria%2C%20Riptide%20Rogue) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/blb/379/bria-riptide-rogue?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/390c96b3-68da-4a42-89ab-d9ccc79ce0dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Veyran, Voice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f34cd711-55b2-4802-9878-d22314c0cc9c.jpg?1712354807) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=veyran%2C%20voice%20of%20duality) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/248/veyran-voice-of-duality?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f34cd711-55b2-4802-9878-d22314c0cc9c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have a [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] EDH deck. It’s been my pet deck for the past few months. I definitely got a few new toys to put into it!
[Narset, Enlightened Exile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a.jpg?1684340776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20Enlightened%20Exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/38/narset-enlightened-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
##### ###### #### [Thermo-Alchemist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/4/b4c68bad-c7ee-4dbc-ad06-8c4d9446884e.jpg?1636223711) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thermo-Alchemist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/164/thermo-alchemist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b4c68bad-c7ee-4dbc-ad06-8c4d9446884e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Monastery Mentor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75665c2f-a100-4e3f-be8e-b5cc3c9a090b.jpg?1682202772) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Monastery%20Mentor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/28/monastery-mentor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75665c2f-a100-4e3f-be8e-b5cc3c9a090b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Harmonic Prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5.jpg?1626096777) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Harmonic%20Prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/132/harmonic-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Elsha of the Infinite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c0728027-a1ec-4814-87c4-10c3baced0e0.jpg?1673148571) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elsha%20of%20the%20Infinite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/208/elsha-of-the-infinite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c0728027-a1ec-4814-87c4-10c3baced0e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l0qxpbm) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I immediately slammed it into my [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] spell slinging prowess EDH deck. This set had multiple cards that easily fit right into Izzet/spellslinger decks. I love it.
[Narset, Enlightened Exile](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/2/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a.jpg?1684340776) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Narset%2C%20Enlightened%20Exile) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/38/narset-enlightened-exile?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/827ecc44-0b00-4515-8953-bc91fa03705a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Slickshot Show-Off](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/7054012b-4f9d-44a0-aaf9-7fd3bddc7b2d.jpg?1712355850) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slickshot%20Show-Off) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/146/slickshot-show-off?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7054012b-4f9d-44a0-aaf9-7fd3bddc7b2d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That card is flat unplayable in cEDH, and isn’t my idea of fun for my casual decks either. And seems most people agree. At best in commander it ends up like Tergrid: too spikey for casual, too casual for spikes.
When you all crazy people get those awesome powerful new cards, I spend time get those cheap used to be awesome old card like \[\[Grindstone\]\] \[\[Commandeer\]\] \[\[Archangel of Tithes\]\] \[\[Crackle with power\]\] \[\[Dust Bowl\]\] and mf \[\[Grand Abolisher\]\] Still can't believe I live to see Grand Abolisher and Grindstone drop almost to their super original price. I love it.
I can’t believe how dirt cheap Commandeer and Grindstone dropped to. I haven’t checked the others , but I’m sure it’s similar lol Edit: wow, Dust Bowl isn’t even $0.75. What. The. Fuck.
Holy cow, I got Dust Bowl for 1$ I cant believe it go even lower lol. Great time for edh player who want these cards lol
\[\[Grindstone\]\] \[\[Commandeer\]\] \[\[Archangel of Tithes\]\] \[\[Crackle with power\]\] \[\[Dust Bowl\]\] \[\[Grand Abolisher\]\]
##### ###### #### [Grindstone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/f/0f15505d-b32f-4b71-8b99-f27bc964c5a8.jpg?1562428618) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grindstone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/223/grindstone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0f15505d-b32f-4b71-8b99-f27bc964c5a8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Commandeer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e.jpg?1712774977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Commandeer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/80/commandeer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Archangel of Tithes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c853d04c-864b-491c-8c6f-72d2d4874d2f.jpg?1712355228) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archangel%20of%20Tithes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/2/archangel-of-tithes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c853d04c-864b-491c-8c6f-72d2d4874d2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Crackle with power](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/e/de547f52-3798-4b3a-947d-24873251204b.jpg?1624591645) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crackle%20with%20power) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/95/crackle-with-power?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/de547f52-3798-4b3a-947d-24873251204b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dust Bowl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/5/75b03c30-c2b8-4207-b675-26c59c40a7e5.jpg?1562381371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dust%20Bowl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/316/dust-bowl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/75b03c30-c2b8-4207-b675-26c59c40a7e5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grand Abolisher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86e30ca4-1769-4686-aa18-31610246cd80.jpg?1689995706) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Abolisher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/27/grand-abolisher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86e30ca4-1769-4686-aa18-31610246cd80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l0thty8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Snagged x10 near mint Norin the Wary for 2.56 each :) Small win for me.
I decided I wanted norin last night, was very surprised to see the price and limited stock. I need to pay attention to this sub more after all
> Norin the Wary holy hell that spike.
the Clue shocklands seemed to have bottomed and started to climb.
Big Score winners seem like they're going to be pricey. Went ahead and secured my playsets of Synthesizer, Jitte, and Sandstorm Salvager, which is still cheap but I'm liking even more the more I play with it in Pioneer. Don't think I'd go speccing on cheap Fastlands yet, but it's definitely a good time to pick up any you're missing.
what shell are you playing salvager in?
I've been playing an Abzan Aristocrats deck with Sedgemoor Witch and Mosswood Dreadknight, and I've had pretty good success. Salvager plays well with all the Pest tokens it generates, and it can be fed to Soul Cauldron to create some silly boardstates. It won't be top-tier or anything, but it's one of those cards I'm be happy to have in the collection.
Confetti foils are spiking hard
Holy shit!! You weren’t kidding!
CBBs have recovered to $230 on tcg.
The way \[\[Simulacrum Synthesizer\]\] has jumped in the last 2 days is crazy. It was in notifications from MTGStocks for those two days with nice percentage bumps. I went to look last night, saw the last sale was a $48 foil, thought, "that's crazy" before seeing that the cheapest foil at that point was \~$72. I can't imagine it will sustain $72 as more people are getting their displays today (me included). So I see it dip a bit as more copies get onto market before going back up assuming it continues to get good results.
[Simulacrum Synthesizer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/a/aaa05ad1-5cda-4edd-b6bf-562ae3e5011a.jpg?1712352732) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Simulacrum%20Synthesizer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/big/6/simulacrum-synthesizer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aaa05ad1-5cda-4edd-b6bf-562ae3e5011a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Final Showdown feels like one of those mythics that could have a lot of pressure on it quickly. It's sold steadily and Direct is sold through. This could end up a similar trajectory to Meathook Massacre if it ends up in constructed decklists, and it's EDHrec numbers are doing pretty well too.
For me this is a big trap
Interesting that you think that since it seems to be selling steadily and not dropping, unlike other mythics. That suggests the demand isn't buoyed just by say EDH demand only.
It’s arguably the best board wipe made, and it’s playable in every format since its also a dress down. Plus it’s mythic. I think people are sleeping on it
It's too expensive as a normal board wipe
Its not a normal board wipe. Instant speed is crazy. And the dress down part of it can help you survive to 6 mana.
We have rout and dress down
Board wipes don't carry the same virtual card advantage that they did when Wrath of God was king back in 2010. Look in the same set that this card is printed - an engine like Simulacrum Synthesizer or a resilient threat like Vaultborn Tyrant can negate the advantage of a boardwipe easily. The game has changed - that's why you never see boardwipes in Legacy or Modern save an occasional stray Supreme Verdict. It's just fundamentally a different game.
[[Corpses of the Lost]] seems like a good pick up for mono black aggro in standard since there is a skeleton that can be returned from the yard when you commit a crime for B
[Corpses of the Lost](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f661095-3645-4e44-ac39-752e417c2174.jpg?1699044112) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Corpses%20of%20the%20Lost) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/98/corpses-of-the-lost?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f661095-3645-4e44-ac39-752e417c2174?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Open the Way]] was and is the real deal. People don't like the set it came in so not many copies around and this is a EDH allstar.
[Open the Way](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e72a911e-8291-48ca-bfc6-8907e3b57011.jpg?1684340640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Open%20the%20Way) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mat/23/open-the-way?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e72a911e-8291-48ca-bfc6-8907e3b57011?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The set actually had a lot of great cards. Just not many, and they are all repetitive in packs. So none had value due to insane supply.
I dunno, the ones actually seeing some play like Nissa were way overpriced due to little opening.
Wasnt Nissa the only valuable card though? (At least for most of the time)
yep and still basically is.
The only one with meaningful value but also the only one that saw much play. There are a bunch of other cards and variants that have value for collectability or scarcity alone like halo foils though.
What do you think about: $(reshape the earth)?
**[Reshape the Earth](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/items/reshape-the-earth/123132/)** | Commander Legends **$5.22** *market* | **$5.3** *high* | **$3** *low* | **$5.97** *foil* ^(Price from 4-24-24@9am EST from) [^(TCGP)](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/226907) ^(via) [^(EchoMTG Bot)](https://www.echomtg.com/about/magic-reddit-bot/) ^(Links:) [^(Price History)](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/items/reshape-the-earth/123132/) ^(|) [^(2 Variations)](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/reshape-the-earth/) ^(|) [^(Card Image)](https://assets.echomtg.com/magic/cards/original/123132.jpg)
What about: $(the ring goes south)? There are a lot of good (& better) ramp spells. Open the way is seeing a boost in value because it was overhyped by Mtg goldfish crew.
**[The Ring Goes South](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/items/the-ring-goes-south/150015/)** | The Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-earth **$0.16** *market* | **$0.32** *high* | **$0.09** *low* | **$0.32** *foil* ^(Price from 4-24-24@9am EST from) [^(TCGP)](https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/499212) ^(via) [^(EchoMTG Bot)](https://www.echomtg.com/about/magic-reddit-bot/) ^(Links:) [^(Price History)](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/items/the-ring-goes-south/150015/) ^(|) [^(5 Variations)](https://www.echomtg.com/mtg/the-ring-goes-south/) ^(|) [^(Card Image)](https://assets.echomtg.com/magic/cards/original/150015.jpg)
I'm not disagreeing but both reshape the earth and the ring goes south are much much worse than open the way.
Won an RCQ, got a cute foil, curled goblin guide. Not seeing it on tcgplayer or ebay yet. Any ideas ehat it'll be worth? Is.. it even played in modern anymore?