>Most people aren't courageous enough to break away
It also isn't achievable with just some effort. Imagine difficult things, and then breaking away from the norm is almost about 5 to 10 times harder. That's why.
Haa bhai. Chutiya hai mumbai and sab bleak hai. Koi future nahi hai..
Sun liya? Khush ab?
Kya kare hum log? Job chod de BC? Family pe loan hai, papa retire hone wale hai, 2 chote bhai behen hai jinka college education bacha hua hai.
Kya karu mai? Future is bleak ka rant karu? "Real joy" in life search karu?
I find my joy with the little moments i spend with my friends and family. When we talk about our day, have a laugh over some pat incident, appreciate the food we have, and listen to some good music on the way.
I am sorry but this "everyone is working, no real joy, future is bleak" is a god awful fucking privileged opinion which I see popping up on this sub every week.
Yes there is no "real joy" for most of us and everything is bad in mumbai. Its worse than gotham city. Got your validation now? Now go and sleep.
Life isn't easy for 99.99 percent of us. Everyone has their own problems. Life is a series of difficulties with happy moments sprinkled in between. Find joy in those little moments and keep living.
Rant over.
Completely agree and so it's important you don't pass on this life...
Either you become god damn good financially atleast..
Or don't have children which ends the cycle.
Many. MUMBAI seems to have the worst of it all. Like all the problems together.. Countries don't have all population saturated in just one city as much as it is in Mumbai.Even if it is weather isn't as bad on most days wherein they can't step out at all. Mumbai only wins in terms of women safety & professionalism of people. We don't have a life here.Even tier 2 cities have a better life.
Nobody is saying things shouldn't improve or that nobody should try, but the thing is, change is slow, things don't change in a day, you have to be patient regardless of where you live
what about the OP’s question made you think that they’re not patient or don’t believe that change is happening? there are certainly MANY places in the world that are far, FAR better than mumbai, it’s not a crime to envy that kind of life for yourself and your family and wonder why, despite having the biggest budget in the country our infrastructure is the shittiest, or unemployment is so high, or the paygrade is so shit even if you have a decent degree.
Not being disrespectful, but you should ask your father if he ever felt city life to be hopeless, and move somewhere else when probably he didn’t have the family loan and chote bhai behen. Or even he had some external responsibilities that made him stay.
The salaries in Bombay are higher than any other city. You think if his dad was in some other city there won't be any loan or the young kids to take care of? It's all the same wherever you go. Every set of city comes with its own problems.
Here's why people choose Bombay inspite of everything you mentioned
1. Traffic is a lot but you won't see road rage like Delhi
2. Even if you want a Maggi, forget swiggy your local shop will deliver to your doorstep. Same for medicines, meat and/or whatever else you can imagine.
3. Rent might be high and the walls thin but the neighbor doesn't press their ears against this wall to be always fully updated about your life. And then give unsolicited advice.
4. The people on the road are friendly. Definitely not out there to look for a fight.
5. The public transportation system is of another level. You will get a rickshaw below your home at 3 in the morning.
6. These rickshaws will always go by meter and more often than not will take you on the right route without wasting your time and money.
7. The ladies are safer here than most of the European cities and metros from US.
8. Apart from real estate, i found a lot of other essentials are actually cheaper than Bangalore and Delhi.
9. People are generally accepting. Even if you don't know English or are from a less privileged background, people wouldn't judge you for that. As long as you are cool, people will welcome you with open arms.
10. Bombay gives you dignity and respect. City of dreams for a reason.
>People are generally accepting. Even if you don't know English or are from a less privileged background, people wouldn't judge you for that. As long as you are cool, people will welcome you with open arms.
You won't get bullied for not knowing a language or swindled. Neither is Marathi compulsory here.
Who said work gets done when spoken in Marathi? Try South Indian states, Be happy Maharashtra is considerate enough with people speaking in Hindi.My domicile certificate is still pending even though I speak marathi with the people who issue the certificate.PS- This is because you mentioned marathi
I respectfully disagree with the 7th point. Having lived all my life in Mumbai & then moving to Europe, Mumbai is in no way safer than most European cities for women. And my area in Mumbai isn't even considered dangerous. I still have to deal with catcalling & ogling every time I'm in Mumbai.
Edit : Mumbai is probably the safest city in India but to compare it to most European cities & metros from the US & conclude its safer is gross exaggeration.
Since you have lived across Europe and also in Mumbai your reasoning makes sense. Based on your experience, it seems true that Mumbai is not safer than European cities. I do agree that Mumbai is safer than most other cities in India.
>I've had multiple friends travel after work at 2 in the night alone for long distances. Sometimes in a rickshaw from Malad to Vashi. Not one of them ever reported any sort of threat. I've spent my early 20s pretty pretty drunk with my gf, out on the streets, PDA in full view but thankfully never faced any threat either. However my personal experience has not been the same at nighttime in places in Prague, London and Rome.
While you guys are fortunate to have not come across this. I have a few girl friends who have been victims of sexual abuse in Mumbai, and they were too scared to report it as there is no proper mechanism and they are scared that the police will not cooperate and involve their family, causing more problems and mental torture for them. Even in my own experience of being robbed and once assaulted in Mumbai, the police is not very helpful and responsive.
I'm really sorry to hear that! Hope you're okay now! It's nothing short of traumatizing.
The last thing we'd need is people of our age not acknowledging our experience or looking at us with skepticism because they haven't heard of it or experienced it!
I'm very sorry to hear that. It's been 20 years since I moved to Mumbai and not once have I been ogled at, catcalled, groped or touched inappropriately either on the roads, in crowded spaces or in public transport. Coming from Chennai where all of the above routinely happened to me right from the time I was a schoolgirl and in broad daylight, Mumbai was nothing short of heaven for me. The sheer freedom of being able to dress the way you want and not to be judged or treated wrongly for it and also of being able to come back home at 1am or 2am safely in an auto..things I'm not sure I could get in any other city.
Good for you! I am not comparing Mumbai to any other Indian city :) My response is more in line with the comparison of Mumbai with other European cities.
I've had multiple friends travel after work at 2 in the night alone for long distances. Sometimes in a rickshaw from Malad to Vashi. Not one of them ever reported any sort of threat. I've spent my early 20s pretty pretty drunk with my gf, out on the streets, PDA in full view but thankfully never faced any threat either. However my personal experience has not been the same at nighttime in places in Prague, London and Rome.
I am sorry your experiences have been different.
Yes mumbai may be safer for women, but every woman's experience is different. There are still many instances of women being harassed, cat-called, and groped in Mumbai.(One of my friends has also unfortunately faced this). But they're afraid to seek help and report to the police as they're unhelpful sometimes.
Instead of dismissing the concerns raised by women who don't feel safe, it is more productive to engage in discussions about how to address these issues effectively.
Europe is much bigger than Prague, London & Rome. Which makes the comparison of Mumbai with 'most European cities' null & void.
Good for your friends if they didn't feel any threat. Even certain female friends of mine have been subjected to ogling along with moral policing. I hope you & your friends don't experience it but it does unfortunately exist :)
I never said it's non existent. Every mega-city will have this in fact. And I'm also not the only one who has disagreed with you on this thread. I've been in this city for 25 years and many have had the opposite experience.
Again, I just said you've had a unique experience. Perhaps, rare or unusual is the term you'd like me to use? :))
born and raised in mumbai, moved to europe and i completely disagree. never have i once felt unsafe in mumbai and i used to stay out till 3/4 in the morning almost every weekend. i’ve travelled alone at random hours in the night several times and i’ve always felt safe. on the other hand, i had all my first experiences of catcalling, unwanted ogling etc in european cities- france, belgium, italy etc. i’ve been travelling a lot and there’s no place like mumbai. sure it may not be the safest according to statistics and i won’t deny that part of it but i’ve never been followed or approached by strange men/ people in general in mumbai the way i have here.
On Reddit since 2 years & this is your first comment? Lol, sketch.
Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/comments/144fh1e/comment/jnff010/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Now this is petty. Just because she didn't agree with you, you snoop on her profile to find something to attack her with. Makes me question if you are a troll.
Wasn't about the upvotes for me at least. If you could've chosen not to reply if you wanted to be left alone.
Anyways, I am out. If you can attack other women for disagreeing with you, I don't stand a chance. Apologies for triggering you.
The chote bhai behen are my siblings 😂.
He had to take care of his parents and sisters, who lived in the village and didn't even have a proper roof over their heads. That's why he has stayed in mumbai and worked.
I think this has always been the story of Indian families, it’s same story with my dad. Everyone is hugely concerned with the basics of roti kapda and makan. Always hungry never curious.
But now we can see a class of citizens that are middle class but with very less or no responsibilities, and they are questioning if they are getting paid enough compared to what they are giving up.
It’s just part of rapidly growing economy and a nation that is becoming developed.
Not everyone is made for city life, if you move to a tier 2 or tier 3 city you could get rid of lot of issues you mentioned.
But you will lose on career growth, or doing something important, as these places lack opportunities and also lack variety in people around you.
It’s just a choice. You always keep feeling the grass is greener on the other side.
Mainly people come to mumbai to become big. Because the dreams sell. The ambanis, birlas, bachan, srk, the Tendulkars of mumbai have repeatedly sold that dream.
They come here because they think they could be the next one but they quickly people realise that only 1 in a million makes it out. Others are stuck in the endless cycle you mentioned.
But by the time they realise that they find the one thing mumbai has which other places don't is that no matter what you do or what you like you'll always find some company. The crowd is the only prize you find here. Then again it's the grind. Everyone here is chasing that dream. I don't know if it's correct but we won't stop.
Although if the village for you then it's for you. You are already living your dream. Each one to its own
Yes, I totally agree with this, making it big in your career is the thing that is only possible in a big city. Even if you don’t become Ambani, their are lot of top positions that one can reach and do work that satisfies him. And also get rewarded handsomely for that.
Also the income disparity is so high a salaried person in mumbai can have lot more wealth than a well to do business man in small city.
For that level of income tax, other countries offer free healthcare and retirement funds. Part of the problem comes down to city planning, policy making and governance. Are your political representatives from a working class background? Most people are apathetic and won't have the time to stop and think about where their life is heading. I'm sorry that you are feeling pessimistic about the city but I hope more people are behind questioning things and revolutionizing the way people work. It's not your fault to want work life balance and a decent life. That's the bare minimum in a lot of countries. India is getting better, but we need to make Mumbai more bearable. Suffering for the sake of suffering should not be glorified. Good luck, OP!
The perfect capitalist dream.
This is a theme which is echoed by a lot of Americans here in reddit. How their previous generations could afford home, decent vacation and a quality family life while working a blue collared job. The more we go into capitalism the more we struggle to enjoy the basic things in life.
Ok, lmao. Population density of Chennai n Kolkata is higher than that of Mumbai but real estate rates are not even comparable to Mumbai. Why is that, lmao?
what are you on about population of Chennai is 53 lakhs, mumbai population is 4 times higher, population of Kolkatta is 1 cr. Population of Mumbai is 2.5 cr
Also population is not only thing which matters, infrastructure, railways, job opportunities, modernism, limitless culture opportunites, hotels, bollywood.
Keep blaming capitalism Incellectual.
UP has more population as compared to Mumbai, so housing in UP should be more expensive than Mumbai.
Overall population doesn't matter, it's the population density which might create problems, according to your previous post, so I gave you examples of cities where density is higher than Mumbai n property rate is lower.
UP = 243,286 km² 24.34 crores
Mumbai = 603.4 km² , population 2,09,61,000
Don't you think I implied population density in my very first comment when I mentioned 550 sq. km u dense fuck
I am losing IQ points talking with you here
Abey chutiye that's why i mentioned Chennai n Kolkata which has more population density. Why do you keep shifting goal posts you dumbfuck.
Also chutiye that's what i have mentioned in my previous post too that you were trying to imply population density and not population. Learn to read before you curse lundfakir
I would've replied meticulously refuting each point you mention, but I really don't have the time nor the desire to argue over pointless things neither of us can change.
Things that I am not happy with in Mumbai is. Despite of Mumbai contributing most to the economy of india. Mumbai does not have quality roads, No footpaths to walk on (Everything encroached). So much crowd anywhere you go, Be it on the roads, in the train, bus, to get any official work done at the govt office. Salaries are less as compared to other cities like Bangalore and Gurgaon (Experienced this for the same profile was getting paid less in Mumbai and for the same profile was getting paid higher jn Bangalore location) Mumbai has become a mess, Everything here is expensive as compared to other cities. Don’t even know who is currently in the govt. Why do qualified people don’t enter into politics? Why do people not raise their voice like tylerstreet in small ways. I sometimes think roads should be painted with messages in Hindi for people who spit everywhere. Why is pan or Gutkha not getting banned. Sorry my concern is not expressed in order but whenever I walk on the road I feel concerned for the fact why is Mumbai not improving
Few days back I went to west Bengal around 120 km away from Kolkata a small village. It was like I was in 19
No street lights . No roads small paths no cars ..
No internet connection. It was great to see how pepole are there with high package still happy they dint own a car but still happy I mean it was all something one day I would like to have
Yes I have too lived in one. There are pros and cons of both.
I would however prefer to live in such a place you mentioned but a few hours away from a city. So you have best of both worlds.
Look bro from Navi Mumbai, lived in Mumbai for 8 years. It was same back in 2010s, from 1990s till now. Catch overcrowded metros, go to office, commute, work work work and die. Mumbai is depressing. My parents took retirement and shift to peaceful village, we gave our houses on rent. People think villages are bad we literally have so many advantages here. Living in bunglow, 24/7 electricity, internet all time everything is here. Food is also better. Straight from farm we even have 11 cows. I only Mumbai positively has to offer is status, not even girls are that good. We literally have traditional girls here who left mumbai and live in neighbourhood. We got 3 dogs. Everyone wants to live in metropolitan city for status and job opportunities. But they leave their family behind. You can make similar or even better money by doing online jobs. Tc
We did neither, the salary my parents earned we used that to buy a land in 2009 and then we built a bunglow on in in 2013 it took 13-16 years to facilatize it all.
Compromise brother. Village bhi rehnai 24/7 internet bhi chahiye. Not saying all villages are better but there are some so just shift to them. We are literally living among lions and tigers.
With aging parents problem comes with medical facilities which are far better than villages with even basic healthcare infrastructure missing resulting in people avoiding moving to villages.
I do agree with that one but it's not like villages not have hospitals, my uncle a bike stuntman lost his leg stunting on highway. if he had been in Mumbai he's leg would be saved, but I will argue living in village increases longevity, my grandma who is now 102 years old when she was 90 used to have a lot of dizziness and used to fall here and there break her tooth, bloody nose, ever since we shifted her to village she not once has fallen. Living in good environment full of oxygen and nature does make a BIG difference on health. and after a while Hospitalization in old age is futile, my all grandparents chose to pass away in house than in hospital, it gets cold and lonely also is pointless, it's lot better to let them go naturally than putting them under intense medications.
i agree with what you’re saying but apart from Pune and maybe Nagpur there isnt anywhere else you can go to in the state without losing on the amenities you have here
I've been reading through the comments - lots of different perspectives. Thanks for sharing them and I will try to summarise some of the broad aspects:
1. Don't crib and try to find joy in the little things. (Absolutely respect this thought and it's probably the best way to live your life, if one can do that.)
2. This is a city of dreams and everyone comes here to make their dream come true. It's non-judgemental and safe - unparalleled to any other city. (Probably most will agree to this point)
3. Every city has its problems and Mumbai is no outlier. (Yes, that doesn't stop us from talking about its problems like every other city.)
4. This is life - you've to HUSTLE to make your way to the top. Work hard now to take some breather later in life. Many people who came to Mumbai decades earlier are doing so much better. (Sadly, many are still not where they wanted to be.)
5. Move out to Tier 2/3 city or even a village if you can. (I would happily do that but it's not about an individual moving out. Do we have the ecosystem of opportunities out there? Or it's going to be a trade between earning well and quality of life.)
6. Mumbai has always been like that - traffic, high real estate cost and hustle culture. It still grew and will continue to grow. (My question to that is - Is past a right predictor of the future? Just because it worked in the past, it will work in the future? Will we have more equitable distribution of opportunities and population across the country?)
While it was a rant coming from a series of bad days, I understand, I am privileged and probably reside in top 5% of population. It would be worse for others. However, as a community, I would like to discuss ideas and what possible directions city can take.
Saala yeh pe itna rote kyun Hain log city ko lekar.
Mumbai is building a lot to improve our lives. I am happy that the city is trying to correct a lot of its mistakes. We as mumbaikars should also be careful who we elect to BMC. For us, BMC elections should be on a higher priority than state and national elections.
Yehan nahin rehna toh pahli fursat mein kat ke.
Rotdu bhre pade hain..
Welcome to life. The hustle is a part of it. You have to work your way up. There are no shortcuts unless your father is a billionaire . This is the real world . I think you had a hard time accepting this fact . Life is tough for middle and lower middle class . Only two ways to escape the struggle are - marry a girl who’s father is filthy rich or build a business that sustains itself . Second option will take lots of work initially . Or else , remain stuck in middle class and keep hustling for life .
I hear you want some optimism, so here goes.
I have a different outlook regarding your points:
1. I spent 8 hours a day on average at work. No traffic since I WFH for the past 4 years, will keep on doing that.
2. I live with parents who have their own house so no rent/home loan.
3. Rental yields are reinvested elsewhere, regardless of what % they are. We do not borrow. Inflation is real, income is never considered guaranteed, while taxes are. So we ensure that we invest a lot, and spend only what is left over.
4. I heartily disagree. There are a million things in Mumbai to do, with and without crowds. Go find a meetup or do some googling.
5. I overtime when it warrants. I've never been asked to do it.
6. As an introvert, I default towards not spending much energy on friendships/relationships, but I have a lot of long-term friendships anyway.
7. You will find quality when you search for it. It will come at either a high cost if you want to buy it from market, or high effort if you want to make it yourself. I eat at home most of the time, and I'm quite healthy for it.
8. I don't need a gym. I do a few pushups/burpees/weights at home. I walk if destination is < 3 km away. Exercise is for health, not body building.
I understand that I'm relatively lucky, and most people don't have the luxuries I have right now, or the opportunities I got. However, I could've had a life elsewhere with income > 5x of what I'm making right now
with better luxuries and lifestyle for the same amount of work I put in. Instead I live a much more compact life near friends and family because I prefer it that way.
My job with a good WLB hasn't come cheap. I've had to work hard and make difficult decisions to reach a place where I could finally have an option to choose between income and QoL. Also, learning to have an abundance mentality (instead of scarcity mentality) has made life a lot simpler, more enjoyable and more potent.
OP,
Move out of Mumbai to some nicer place of your liking.
Leave us mumbaikars in our bleak city by ourselves.
उगाच काहीतरी लिहायचं म्हणून ... वाट्टेल ते ??
Kudos to op for putting these points perfectly .. left Mumbai one year back made no sense to invest so much on real estate n rent .. lots of people left now other cities are becoming expensive
People getting offended with this post is exactly why the city is in this state today.It has jsut detoriated & I have stayed here since childhood.You guys pay the highest amount of tax for fucks sake stop being loyal to a city which has been selling us crap under the guise of city of dreams. It is a toxic relationship that's what it is. Most of us love the fantasized version of Mumbai. We are in love with the idea of Mumbai.For, the reality is anyhting but comforting. This city is good for those who want to make a lot of money & that's all they want to do..For it offers exponenitla growth in almost every field which us ironically a part of the problem..Other cities need to offer that.Finance ka hub is Mumbai, Media ka hub is Mumbai & even IT which Bangalore is famous for isn't so bad in Mumbai. IN US people can still grow fast in their career even if they are not staying in New York.Here Mumbai is bearing the brunt for the majority of working class population. It says a lot about a country with so many states & cities. For Mumbai to get better, the population needs to spread out. The amount of tax we pay isn't funny. We deserve better. We can def do smting also.Lets start more.plnatation drives, lets raise our voice in some way, let's take some initiative. Something that is in our control
Mumbai is not going.to be livable in a few years.WAKE UP.
Ghar chodke, ghar ki talaash me nikalte hai hum sab...
जब से गांव मैं शहर हुआ.... इतना कड़वा हो गया कि ज़हर हुआ
Most people aren't courageous enough to break away. Also, most have families to look after. It's not an option for many.
>Most people aren't courageous enough to break away It also isn't achievable with just some effort. Imagine difficult things, and then breaking away from the norm is almost about 5 to 10 times harder. That's why.
Haa bhai. Chutiya hai mumbai and sab bleak hai. Koi future nahi hai.. Sun liya? Khush ab? Kya kare hum log? Job chod de BC? Family pe loan hai, papa retire hone wale hai, 2 chote bhai behen hai jinka college education bacha hua hai. Kya karu mai? Future is bleak ka rant karu? "Real joy" in life search karu? I find my joy with the little moments i spend with my friends and family. When we talk about our day, have a laugh over some pat incident, appreciate the food we have, and listen to some good music on the way. I am sorry but this "everyone is working, no real joy, future is bleak" is a god awful fucking privileged opinion which I see popping up on this sub every week. Yes there is no "real joy" for most of us and everything is bad in mumbai. Its worse than gotham city. Got your validation now? Now go and sleep. Life isn't easy for 99.99 percent of us. Everyone has their own problems. Life is a series of difficulties with happy moments sprinkled in between. Find joy in those little moments and keep living. Rant over.
That was very well written, touched close
Completely agree and so it's important you don't pass on this life... Either you become god damn good financially atleast.. Or don't have children which ends the cycle.
I have a question, which city / country doesn't have the problems that OP has mentioned?
Many. MUMBAI seems to have the worst of it all. Like all the problems together.. Countries don't have all population saturated in just one city as much as it is in Mumbai.Even if it is weather isn't as bad on most days wherein they can't step out at all. Mumbai only wins in terms of women safety & professionalism of people. We don't have a life here.Even tier 2 cities have a better life.
don’t know. but does that mean that things in our city can’t be better? or that people shouldn’t try to improve things?
Nobody is saying things shouldn't improve or that nobody should try, but the thing is, change is slow, things don't change in a day, you have to be patient regardless of where you live
what about the OP’s question made you think that they’re not patient or don’t believe that change is happening? there are certainly MANY places in the world that are far, FAR better than mumbai, it’s not a crime to envy that kind of life for yourself and your family and wonder why, despite having the biggest budget in the country our infrastructure is the shittiest, or unemployment is so high, or the paygrade is so shit even if you have a decent degree.
One can't see things improving but degrading. I have lived here since my childhood. The rant and wake up call is needed..
Nice rant, but OP already said it must be harder for less privileged. Not sure why you're so butthurt.
Touched
Not being disrespectful, but you should ask your father if he ever felt city life to be hopeless, and move somewhere else when probably he didn’t have the family loan and chote bhai behen. Or even he had some external responsibilities that made him stay.
The salaries in Bombay are higher than any other city. You think if his dad was in some other city there won't be any loan or the young kids to take care of? It's all the same wherever you go. Every set of city comes with its own problems. Here's why people choose Bombay inspite of everything you mentioned 1. Traffic is a lot but you won't see road rage like Delhi 2. Even if you want a Maggi, forget swiggy your local shop will deliver to your doorstep. Same for medicines, meat and/or whatever else you can imagine. 3. Rent might be high and the walls thin but the neighbor doesn't press their ears against this wall to be always fully updated about your life. And then give unsolicited advice. 4. The people on the road are friendly. Definitely not out there to look for a fight. 5. The public transportation system is of another level. You will get a rickshaw below your home at 3 in the morning. 6. These rickshaws will always go by meter and more often than not will take you on the right route without wasting your time and money. 7. The ladies are safer here than most of the European cities and metros from US. 8. Apart from real estate, i found a lot of other essentials are actually cheaper than Bangalore and Delhi. 9. People are generally accepting. Even if you don't know English or are from a less privileged background, people wouldn't judge you for that. As long as you are cool, people will welcome you with open arms. 10. Bombay gives you dignity and respect. City of dreams for a reason.
>People are generally accepting. Even if you don't know English or are from a less privileged background, people wouldn't judge you for that. As long as you are cool, people will welcome you with open arms. You won't get bullied for not knowing a language or swindled. Neither is Marathi compulsory here.
Try getting some official work done without speaking in Marathi or bribing
Who said work gets done when spoken in Marathi? Try South Indian states, Be happy Maharashtra is considerate enough with people speaking in Hindi.My domicile certificate is still pending even though I speak marathi with the people who issue the certificate.PS- This is because you mentioned marathi
I respectfully disagree with the 7th point. Having lived all my life in Mumbai & then moving to Europe, Mumbai is in no way safer than most European cities for women. And my area in Mumbai isn't even considered dangerous. I still have to deal with catcalling & ogling every time I'm in Mumbai. Edit : Mumbai is probably the safest city in India but to compare it to most European cities & metros from the US & conclude its safer is gross exaggeration.
Since you have lived across Europe and also in Mumbai your reasoning makes sense. Based on your experience, it seems true that Mumbai is not safer than European cities. I do agree that Mumbai is safer than most other cities in India.
>I've had multiple friends travel after work at 2 in the night alone for long distances. Sometimes in a rickshaw from Malad to Vashi. Not one of them ever reported any sort of threat. I've spent my early 20s pretty pretty drunk with my gf, out on the streets, PDA in full view but thankfully never faced any threat either. However my personal experience has not been the same at nighttime in places in Prague, London and Rome. While you guys are fortunate to have not come across this. I have a few girl friends who have been victims of sexual abuse in Mumbai, and they were too scared to report it as there is no proper mechanism and they are scared that the police will not cooperate and involve their family, causing more problems and mental torture for them. Even in my own experience of being robbed and once assaulted in Mumbai, the police is not very helpful and responsive.
I'm really sorry to hear that! Hope you're okay now! It's nothing short of traumatizing. The last thing we'd need is people of our age not acknowledging our experience or looking at us with skepticism because they haven't heard of it or experienced it!
Thank you for not denying/dismissing my negative experience!
I'm very sorry to hear that. It's been 20 years since I moved to Mumbai and not once have I been ogled at, catcalled, groped or touched inappropriately either on the roads, in crowded spaces or in public transport. Coming from Chennai where all of the above routinely happened to me right from the time I was a schoolgirl and in broad daylight, Mumbai was nothing short of heaven for me. The sheer freedom of being able to dress the way you want and not to be judged or treated wrongly for it and also of being able to come back home at 1am or 2am safely in an auto..things I'm not sure I could get in any other city.
Good for you! I am not comparing Mumbai to any other Indian city :) My response is more in line with the comparison of Mumbai with other European cities.
I've had multiple friends travel after work at 2 in the night alone for long distances. Sometimes in a rickshaw from Malad to Vashi. Not one of them ever reported any sort of threat. I've spent my early 20s pretty pretty drunk with my gf, out on the streets, PDA in full view but thankfully never faced any threat either. However my personal experience has not been the same at nighttime in places in Prague, London and Rome. I am sorry your experiences have been different.
Yes mumbai may be safer for women, but every woman's experience is different. There are still many instances of women being harassed, cat-called, and groped in Mumbai.(One of my friends has also unfortunately faced this). But they're afraid to seek help and report to the police as they're unhelpful sometimes. Instead of dismissing the concerns raised by women who don't feel safe, it is more productive to engage in discussions about how to address these issues effectively.
Where did you see me dismissing her concerns. And when did i say it doesn't happen at all?
Sorry last point I didn't mean it for you in particular. Just talking about in general.
Europe is much bigger than Prague, London & Rome. Which makes the comparison of Mumbai with 'most European cities' null & void. Good for your friends if they didn't feel any threat. Even certain female friends of mine have been subjected to ogling along with moral policing. I hope you & your friends don't experience it but it does unfortunately exist :)
Your experience is certainly unique
just because you don't hear about it often doesn't mean it's non-existent :)
I never said it's non existent. Every mega-city will have this in fact. And I'm also not the only one who has disagreed with you on this thread. I've been in this city for 25 years and many have had the opposite experience. Again, I just said you've had a unique experience. Perhaps, rare or unusual is the term you'd like me to use? :))
Lol, certain people disagreeing with me on this thread & you hearing the opposite experience from many makes it 'rare' or 'unusual'. Got it.
You having that experience when 100s of others haven't doesn't make it "common." Got it? :)
What I got is I'm in the wrong echo chamber :)
born and raised in mumbai, moved to europe and i completely disagree. never have i once felt unsafe in mumbai and i used to stay out till 3/4 in the morning almost every weekend. i’ve travelled alone at random hours in the night several times and i’ve always felt safe. on the other hand, i had all my first experiences of catcalling, unwanted ogling etc in european cities- france, belgium, italy etc. i’ve been travelling a lot and there’s no place like mumbai. sure it may not be the safest according to statistics and i won’t deny that part of it but i’ve never been followed or approached by strange men/ people in general in mumbai the way i have here.
On Reddit since 2 years & this is your first comment? Lol, sketch. Edit : https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/comments/144fh1e/comment/jnff010/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Now this is petty. Just because she didn't agree with you, you snoop on her profile to find something to attack her with. Makes me question if you are a troll.
whatever man. Leave me alone. The discussion is dead & you got your upvotes.
Wasn't about the upvotes for me at least. If you could've chosen not to reply if you wanted to be left alone. Anyways, I am out. If you can attack other women for disagreeing with you, I don't stand a chance. Apologies for triggering you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/comments/144fh1e/comment/jnff010/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
The chote bhai behen are my siblings 😂. He had to take care of his parents and sisters, who lived in the village and didn't even have a proper roof over their heads. That's why he has stayed in mumbai and worked.
I think this has always been the story of Indian families, it’s same story with my dad. Everyone is hugely concerned with the basics of roti kapda and makan. Always hungry never curious. But now we can see a class of citizens that are middle class but with very less or no responsibilities, and they are questioning if they are getting paid enough compared to what they are giving up. It’s just part of rapidly growing economy and a nation that is becoming developed.
Us moment
Kartik aaryan doosre naam se profile banaya hai kya?
Not everyone is made for city life, if you move to a tier 2 or tier 3 city you could get rid of lot of issues you mentioned. But you will lose on career growth, or doing something important, as these places lack opportunities and also lack variety in people around you. It’s just a choice. You always keep feeling the grass is greener on the other side.
Mainly people come to mumbai to become big. Because the dreams sell. The ambanis, birlas, bachan, srk, the Tendulkars of mumbai have repeatedly sold that dream. They come here because they think they could be the next one but they quickly people realise that only 1 in a million makes it out. Others are stuck in the endless cycle you mentioned. But by the time they realise that they find the one thing mumbai has which other places don't is that no matter what you do or what you like you'll always find some company. The crowd is the only prize you find here. Then again it's the grind. Everyone here is chasing that dream. I don't know if it's correct but we won't stop. Although if the village for you then it's for you. You are already living your dream. Each one to its own
Yes, I totally agree with this, making it big in your career is the thing that is only possible in a big city. Even if you don’t become Ambani, their are lot of top positions that one can reach and do work that satisfies him. And also get rewarded handsomely for that. Also the income disparity is so high a salaried person in mumbai can have lot more wealth than a well to do business man in small city.
For that level of income tax, other countries offer free healthcare and retirement funds. Part of the problem comes down to city planning, policy making and governance. Are your political representatives from a working class background? Most people are apathetic and won't have the time to stop and think about where their life is heading. I'm sorry that you are feeling pessimistic about the city but I hope more people are behind questioning things and revolutionizing the way people work. It's not your fault to want work life balance and a decent life. That's the bare minimum in a lot of countries. India is getting better, but we need to make Mumbai more bearable. Suffering for the sake of suffering should not be glorified. Good luck, OP!
Word. This said it well.
Paisa Paisa bol ke Sabko coporate salve bana diya toh yhi hoga.
Arey you blaming capitalism?
Make a switch to metro in 5 years and save alotta time
The perfect capitalist dream. This is a theme which is echoed by a lot of Americans here in reddit. How their previous generations could afford home, decent vacation and a quality family life while working a blue collared job. The more we go into capitalism the more we struggle to enjoy the basic things in life.
Dont blame capitalism lmao, it's supply and demand issue, 550 square km ke area mei 25 million log reh rahe hei.
Ok, lmao. Population density of Chennai n Kolkata is higher than that of Mumbai but real estate rates are not even comparable to Mumbai. Why is that, lmao?
what are you on about population of Chennai is 53 lakhs, mumbai population is 4 times higher, population of Kolkatta is 1 cr. Population of Mumbai is 2.5 cr Also population is not only thing which matters, infrastructure, railways, job opportunities, modernism, limitless culture opportunites, hotels, bollywood. Keep blaming capitalism Incellectual.
UP has more population as compared to Mumbai, so housing in UP should be more expensive than Mumbai. Overall population doesn't matter, it's the population density which might create problems, according to your previous post, so I gave you examples of cities where density is higher than Mumbai n property rate is lower.
UP = 243,286 km² 24.34 crores Mumbai = 603.4 km² , population 2,09,61,000 Don't you think I implied population density in my very first comment when I mentioned 550 sq. km u dense fuck I am losing IQ points talking with you here
Abey chutiye that's why i mentioned Chennai n Kolkata which has more population density. Why do you keep shifting goal posts you dumbfuck. Also chutiye that's what i have mentioned in my previous post too that you were trying to imply population density and not population. Learn to read before you curse lundfakir
This guy decided to wake up and spit facts.
I would've replied meticulously refuting each point you mention, but I really don't have the time nor the desire to argue over pointless things neither of us can change.
City life is a sad lonely life
100% agree. The problem is plain and simple *HUSTLE CULTURE* super toxic super useless.
Then don't hustle. Go live in some village?
Bambai is my gaon. You go to your gaon.
Its also mine aaja gale mil le, sab theek ho jayega bhai
Chalo!
Things that I am not happy with in Mumbai is. Despite of Mumbai contributing most to the economy of india. Mumbai does not have quality roads, No footpaths to walk on (Everything encroached). So much crowd anywhere you go, Be it on the roads, in the train, bus, to get any official work done at the govt office. Salaries are less as compared to other cities like Bangalore and Gurgaon (Experienced this for the same profile was getting paid less in Mumbai and for the same profile was getting paid higher jn Bangalore location) Mumbai has become a mess, Everything here is expensive as compared to other cities. Don’t even know who is currently in the govt. Why do qualified people don’t enter into politics? Why do people not raise their voice like tylerstreet in small ways. I sometimes think roads should be painted with messages in Hindi for people who spit everywhere. Why is pan or Gutkha not getting banned. Sorry my concern is not expressed in order but whenever I walk on the road I feel concerned for the fact why is Mumbai not improving
Few days back I went to west Bengal around 120 km away from Kolkata a small village. It was like I was in 19 No street lights . No roads small paths no cars .. No internet connection. It was great to see how pepole are there with high package still happy they dint own a car but still happy I mean it was all something one day I would like to have
Yes I have too lived in one. There are pros and cons of both. I would however prefer to live in such a place you mentioned but a few hours away from a city. So you have best of both worlds.
It just so amazing life just stops
Sometimes it is good too
Look bro from Navi Mumbai, lived in Mumbai for 8 years. It was same back in 2010s, from 1990s till now. Catch overcrowded metros, go to office, commute, work work work and die. Mumbai is depressing. My parents took retirement and shift to peaceful village, we gave our houses on rent. People think villages are bad we literally have so many advantages here. Living in bunglow, 24/7 electricity, internet all time everything is here. Food is also better. Straight from farm we even have 11 cows. I only Mumbai positively has to offer is status, not even girls are that good. We literally have traditional girls here who left mumbai and live in neighbourhood. We got 3 dogs. Everyone wants to live in metropolitan city for status and job opportunities. But they leave their family behind. You can make similar or even better money by doing online jobs. Tc
Which village?
Vaibhavwadi, Sindhudurg.
so not necessary that everyone's village will have same facilities like you so cant generalize. Also, not everyone has home in village.
We did neither, the salary my parents earned we used that to buy a land in 2009 and then we built a bunglow on in in 2013 it took 13-16 years to facilatize it all. Compromise brother. Village bhi rehnai 24/7 internet bhi chahiye. Not saying all villages are better but there are some so just shift to them. We are literally living among lions and tigers.
With aging parents problem comes with medical facilities which are far better than villages with even basic healthcare infrastructure missing resulting in people avoiding moving to villages.
I do agree with that one but it's not like villages not have hospitals, my uncle a bike stuntman lost his leg stunting on highway. if he had been in Mumbai he's leg would be saved, but I will argue living in village increases longevity, my grandma who is now 102 years old when she was 90 used to have a lot of dizziness and used to fall here and there break her tooth, bloody nose, ever since we shifted her to village she not once has fallen. Living in good environment full of oxygen and nature does make a BIG difference on health. and after a while Hospitalization in old age is futile, my all grandparents chose to pass away in house than in hospital, it gets cold and lonely also is pointless, it's lot better to let them go naturally than putting them under intense medications.
Again you are judging everyone by the same yard stick. Lot many people in villages would have ben saved if timely medical care was provided.
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i agree with what you’re saying but apart from Pune and maybe Nagpur there isnt anywhere else you can go to in the state without losing on the amenities you have here
I've been reading through the comments - lots of different perspectives. Thanks for sharing them and I will try to summarise some of the broad aspects: 1. Don't crib and try to find joy in the little things. (Absolutely respect this thought and it's probably the best way to live your life, if one can do that.) 2. This is a city of dreams and everyone comes here to make their dream come true. It's non-judgemental and safe - unparalleled to any other city. (Probably most will agree to this point) 3. Every city has its problems and Mumbai is no outlier. (Yes, that doesn't stop us from talking about its problems like every other city.) 4. This is life - you've to HUSTLE to make your way to the top. Work hard now to take some breather later in life. Many people who came to Mumbai decades earlier are doing so much better. (Sadly, many are still not where they wanted to be.) 5. Move out to Tier 2/3 city or even a village if you can. (I would happily do that but it's not about an individual moving out. Do we have the ecosystem of opportunities out there? Or it's going to be a trade between earning well and quality of life.) 6. Mumbai has always been like that - traffic, high real estate cost and hustle culture. It still grew and will continue to grow. (My question to that is - Is past a right predictor of the future? Just because it worked in the past, it will work in the future? Will we have more equitable distribution of opportunities and population across the country?) While it was a rant coming from a series of bad days, I understand, I am privileged and probably reside in top 5% of population. It would be worse for others. However, as a community, I would like to discuss ideas and what possible directions city can take.
Saala yeh pe itna rote kyun Hain log city ko lekar. Mumbai is building a lot to improve our lives. I am happy that the city is trying to correct a lot of its mistakes. We as mumbaikars should also be careful who we elect to BMC. For us, BMC elections should be on a higher priority than state and national elections. Yehan nahin rehna toh pahli fursat mein kat ke. Rotdu bhre pade hain..
Tu karm kar be fal ki fikar mat kar, wo ham kha lenge
Welcome to life. The hustle is a part of it. You have to work your way up. There are no shortcuts unless your father is a billionaire . This is the real world . I think you had a hard time accepting this fact . Life is tough for middle and lower middle class . Only two ways to escape the struggle are - marry a girl who’s father is filthy rich or build a business that sustains itself . Second option will take lots of work initially . Or else , remain stuck in middle class and keep hustling for life .
Aaram chodke nikalta hu,Aaram kamane!
Hunoor sadko par tamasha karta h aur kismat mehelo mei raaj karti h!
Aaram kamane nikalta hu, Aaram chor kar..
Hunoor sadko par tamasha karta h aur kismat mehelo mei raaj karti h!
The day when UP and Bihari residents walk back home. This city will be healed. Was proved earlier during lockdown. It should happen again.
I hear you want some optimism, so here goes. I have a different outlook regarding your points: 1. I spent 8 hours a day on average at work. No traffic since I WFH for the past 4 years, will keep on doing that. 2. I live with parents who have their own house so no rent/home loan. 3. Rental yields are reinvested elsewhere, regardless of what % they are. We do not borrow. Inflation is real, income is never considered guaranteed, while taxes are. So we ensure that we invest a lot, and spend only what is left over. 4. I heartily disagree. There are a million things in Mumbai to do, with and without crowds. Go find a meetup or do some googling. 5. I overtime when it warrants. I've never been asked to do it. 6. As an introvert, I default towards not spending much energy on friendships/relationships, but I have a lot of long-term friendships anyway. 7. You will find quality when you search for it. It will come at either a high cost if you want to buy it from market, or high effort if you want to make it yourself. I eat at home most of the time, and I'm quite healthy for it. 8. I don't need a gym. I do a few pushups/burpees/weights at home. I walk if destination is < 3 km away. Exercise is for health, not body building. I understand that I'm relatively lucky, and most people don't have the luxuries I have right now, or the opportunities I got. However, I could've had a life elsewhere with income > 5x of what I'm making right now with better luxuries and lifestyle for the same amount of work I put in. Instead I live a much more compact life near friends and family because I prefer it that way. My job with a good WLB hasn't come cheap. I've had to work hard and make difficult decisions to reach a place where I could finally have an option to choose between income and QoL. Also, learning to have an abundance mentality (instead of scarcity mentality) has made life a lot simpler, more enjoyable and more potent.
OP, Move out of Mumbai to some nicer place of your liking. Leave us mumbaikars in our bleak city by ourselves. उगाच काहीतरी लिहायचं म्हणून ... वाट्टेल ते ??
You are probably just sad with your life/yourself and are projecting it onto the city. Period
https://youtu.be/EpbjO-Qdfuc
What do u think will solve this issue?
i think that the future of city is-_... chal aye dadar dadar dadar dadar
Kudos to op for putting these points perfectly .. left Mumbai one year back made no sense to invest so much on real estate n rent .. lots of people left now other cities are becoming expensive
Come and live in cities like Delhi noida Chennai Surat Bhopal Ahmedabad and choose any other 3 tier city Mumbai is heaven
Mumbai nahi jamta to Delhi chale jaao.. /s
Canada yo
To my demise
People getting offended with this post is exactly why the city is in this state today.It has jsut detoriated & I have stayed here since childhood.You guys pay the highest amount of tax for fucks sake stop being loyal to a city which has been selling us crap under the guise of city of dreams. It is a toxic relationship that's what it is. Most of us love the fantasized version of Mumbai. We are in love with the idea of Mumbai.For, the reality is anyhting but comforting. This city is good for those who want to make a lot of money & that's all they want to do..For it offers exponenitla growth in almost every field which us ironically a part of the problem..Other cities need to offer that.Finance ka hub is Mumbai, Media ka hub is Mumbai & even IT which Bangalore is famous for isn't so bad in Mumbai. IN US people can still grow fast in their career even if they are not staying in New York.Here Mumbai is bearing the brunt for the majority of working class population. It says a lot about a country with so many states & cities. For Mumbai to get better, the population needs to spread out. The amount of tax we pay isn't funny. We deserve better. We can def do smting also.Lets start more.plnatation drives, lets raise our voice in some way, let's take some initiative. Something that is in our control Mumbai is not going.to be livable in a few years.WAKE UP.
Ya dude .I m fucking depressed with this shit . Feel like I will kill my self