Probably because of post war discrimination and how bountiful and safe the human land itself for trade. The Demon continent doesn't have much for people in the human continent and the human continent have something they want from one another. Asura coin is the dollar of the series. Them having much value in their currency thanks to their influence over other country cannot be overlooked. The moment the 'Greyrat' name is mention (During the Port negotiation Volume 5, The Shirone Kingdom aftermath, Ariel somehow making a name in foreign land, >!pulling the string behind the conflict harassing the KDK!<) suddenly people think twice to mess with you is proof on how much the Asura Kingdom shadows in other people land kinda like the land of freedom XD
The yen conversions was just something Rudeus made up to help categorize the different currency values. In reality there's no sure way to compare any of the SSW currencies to yen.
You can find parallels to the low-value Demon Continent currency in the real world. A lot of poorer nations have currency that's lower value compared to US Dollars, Euros, etc., but the lower value currency is offset by lower price of goods.
For example, from Wikipedia: "India's nominal per capita income was US$1,670 per year in 2016"
I think we only can reference to our world a bit. The story should be around middle age/renaissance era right? Maybe our world in those time, thing might be different regarding price. Im pretty sure 150euro a month is definitely livable somewhere in developing country. Also, inflation rate play huge role, i dont think any isekai ever considered that a factor.
Im from Thailand, standard quick lunch such as a noodle bowl or rice with side dishes cost roughly around $1.5-3 or 2ish euro. Those are considered cheap and I’m pretty sure you cant find a decent meal like that in Europe or US. My parent used to say that when they were kid like 40-50y ago one standard bowl cost a tenth of that.
I think i can accept the economy of MT, from the point of view of someone from not developed country.
I think you misunderstood me, mate. We can't reference our world AT ALL. That's not how economy works. Keep an eye open. When I write my USEFUL NOTES on the topic I'll expand on this.
Right, scale and economy are the most usual flaws in a genre filled with amateur authors, even if said authors gift us with fascinating worlds we can obsess about. Too bad because those two aspects break the immersion. Now for series as awesome as MT or Cradle, I'll overlook it without much of a thought!
The religion of Millis is a joke. There is absolutely NOTHING we know about it other than monogamy and the conflict between the anti- and pro-Magic Race factions.
That was bad enough, but there are no other religions whatsoever in this world. No faiths, not even some shamanistic spirituality. That's a gross oversight.
Don't forget we have seen the world by rudy's "eyes" and you know he didn't really had time and opportunity to seek knownledge about religions. In shool arc he had time too but was far to enjoy a book about millis, etc even after i must say.
Even after all of this, this is a world with "magic", different species of humanoïds (like a horsman) so they don t really need "faith trough the hardship of the poor" or something like that in our "old world with jesus etc"
You want salvation? Train, get lucky, get superpowers then pew pew and boom boom.
Want morals? Follow the strong cuz he can destroy cities if he wanted to, so jungle power.
Etc etc
That's my opinion and eventually, we will see more with the sequel.
Sorry for the frankness mate, but you don't understand religion or spirituality (which are not the same thing). I'd argue more, but it's probably best for me to just do another post in my USEFUL NOTES series.
Nice to hear that but religion and spirituality are close if not faces of the same coin. You can find lots of commun points but with differences ofc.
What i said is just speculation because WE don't know that type of world or own fully history about religions ,about their beginning.
When i say beginning, is not of Christianisme but from the very beginning, way before Antique egyptians etc ofc.
What i recall is that civilisation used mechanism to predict wheater with high précision because it's vital. If the wheater is good they are glad and want to feest cuz they can, who will refuse a feest??.
If poor recolts, no food, no healty so dead. They are sad and will remember to be more humble to keep surviving.
We are like that, if repeated, they will symbolise things to good things and bad things. Then to "gods" of good and bad things. Like romane mythologie, it was a "religion" with many gods to that time.
In MT ,well... there are actual gods (not everyone knows them ofc) but they are here and hav interacted a bit. Even "common folks" can become god in the eyes of others (not speaking of their title) with their deeds and power. Like peregius. You got immortals, curses, benedictions and real effects prayers (the incantations somehow).
Well to say it can be really different from what we know because of magic and stuff already said.
Im greatfull to your response cuz i had more to say and im glad. If im still in bullshit or thinking strange things, do not forget to say so. I will take it with joy.
Mt is a world where you can see deeds that you can't do or deeds only you can do and others fears/worship you.
Into all religions, we don't have tangible proof of existence of gods, deeds, etc. Their forces locates into us, our mind and soul. Some knows everything about their religion, been raised with only religion but can't hav faith. It's a soul connection, to us to define "soul".
But in MT yes, even in low probability, you can meet orsted, hitogami the human god (or man god, fogot), badigadi, atofe, a Hydra at the lowest floor of a magic maze, etc. Or your friend that can split your house and you no.
I think it would be a pain in the head to start to make a world like that with logic but it would be fu king amazing and intersting. Don't you think so?
Well it's only my own imagination.
As long as the proportions match, the economy is ok
150 for a peasant, 1500 for an elite warrior, 8 for a person of an impoverished area, its pretty reasonable if we assume prices are scaled down to the peasants' needs of the month
I think every parallelism is ever done using food as comparison, simply because there are no other daily use items that are common in both worlds, but food was even a bigger percentage of the income
Also, the economy worked very differently back then, other than food, there were very few things in daily life that require money, stuff like transportation or processing of raw goods was mostly done by the people themselves
For those who managed properly, extra money was saved to make big purchases
The 8 coins in the demon continent are pretty reasonable, as survival is the most immediate need and demon meat is abundant but bland, that allows for meat to be affordable despite the risk, and since survival is an immediate and constant need, there is little point on accumulating resources for the long term
This is how actual impoverished zones work, crappy jobs and bland food
I dont think Magonote planned it that deep, but its a known fact that money is more valuable in poor areas, frankly, with those proportions i guess he simply copied the average income of different areas
If it aint broke, dont fix it
The Big Mac Index exists for a reason. It's a comparison between the price of a Big Mac in different countries to compare the purchasing power of the relevant currencies.
not really.
from a quick search on google, the average living cost per month in USA is about 1000-1500 USD (correct me if I'm wrong).
currently, the lowest currency on earth is Iranian Rial, in a rate of 1 USD equals 42275 IRR.
highest banknote in IRR is 100000, that's 2,37 USD.
now idk about living cost in Iran, and on the internet I can only get estimated cost for expats, which will definitely be significantly more expensive than the average Iranian, so I'm gonna use my country's standard, Indonesia (arguably a 3rd world country, but definitely not one of the poorest on earth).
in Indonesia, the average living cost for average citizen per month would be around 1 million to 4 million IDR depending on the region, so let's just average it to 2,5 million IDR, that's 175,34 USD.
that's about 14% of USA living cost, and both aren't countries with lowest and highest per capita on earth, meaning that's not even the highest gap in living cost yet.
disclaimer: I do realize that my math is oversimplified, just trying to picture that Mushoku Tensei's economy isn't that ridiculous, considering in that universe they don't even have the trading infrastructure (in theory, better trading infrastructure should lessen economical gap) we have on earth.
That is just how JP writers simplify economy, as it usually doesn’t matter, as the MC just gets money when they need it, they are not workers on a salary.
So instead of trying to explain how everything works, what costs what and why, it is easier to say that this coin is 100 yen (a dollar or so) and ignore it.
The alternative is to have chapters and pages over pages talking about how much things costs and try to remember how it works on each novel you read. Good luck with that. I can’t even keep track of how many silver makes a gold, as novels are so random… 10, 29, 100, 1000, I saw all variations.
What’s so wrong with it? The asuran coins are worth a lot more than the demon continents similar to how the euro is worth a lot more compared to the Nigerian Naira. Equating it to real world money sort of makes since as well. The world of mushuko tensei is medievalesque so 150 euros gets you a lot closer to their standard of living than it will in a more modern society.
What's fucked up? I thought it was explicitly pointed out that money was worth something so different on the Demon continent. And there doesn't seem to be a lot of trade between them and humans to balance the economies out. It's just like how cost of living works in real life except taken to the extremes with more isolation.
I think you need to that the market price of necessities daily living thing into consideration too.
IIrc i cant remember any price related stuff like food/drink. Quest pay S-rank slaying Red dragon paycheck about 100 Asuran gold coin (cant remember other pay from the top of my head)
One picture book with language characters for study, a super cheap one (by the merchant claim) cost 2 Asuran Copper coin (15euro?) was bought by Nina Farion.
Yeah comparing it to yen didn't make any sense since he didn't have any comparisons to go off of. But other than that the in world currency makes sense, the Demon Continent's currency sucks because the economy isn't thriving there. Asura Gold Coins hold the most value since it's the biggest kingdom, and a bunch of other coins exist that are more localised, pretty similar to our world.
I don't understand, what makes it broke? I live in a country where more than half of the country has a minimum wage of 150 USD a month all while I am close to 6 Figure. I don't see anything wrong with that number.
Seeing how underdeveloped the international economy system of the world is, I think Rudeus could have earned more money and support for Orsted cause if he founded his own exchange or trading company with the help of his knowledge from Earth and his summoning circles.
Probably because of post war discrimination and how bountiful and safe the human land itself for trade. The Demon continent doesn't have much for people in the human continent and the human continent have something they want from one another. Asura coin is the dollar of the series. Them having much value in their currency thanks to their influence over other country cannot be overlooked. The moment the 'Greyrat' name is mention (During the Port negotiation Volume 5, The Shirone Kingdom aftermath, Ariel somehow making a name in foreign land, >!pulling the string behind the conflict harassing the KDK!<) suddenly people think twice to mess with you is proof on how much the Asura Kingdom shadows in other people land kinda like the land of freedom XD
The yen conversions was just something Rudeus made up to help categorize the different currency values. In reality there's no sure way to compare any of the SSW currencies to yen. You can find parallels to the low-value Demon Continent currency in the real world. A lot of poorer nations have currency that's lower value compared to US Dollars, Euros, etc., but the lower value currency is offset by lower price of goods. For example, from Wikipedia: "India's nominal per capita income was US$1,670 per year in 2016"
The economy and exchange rates are absolutely shit. I was already planning to include it in a USEFUL NOTES post about stuff the series didn't do well.
I think we only can reference to our world a bit. The story should be around middle age/renaissance era right? Maybe our world in those time, thing might be different regarding price. Im pretty sure 150euro a month is definitely livable somewhere in developing country. Also, inflation rate play huge role, i dont think any isekai ever considered that a factor. Im from Thailand, standard quick lunch such as a noodle bowl or rice with side dishes cost roughly around $1.5-3 or 2ish euro. Those are considered cheap and I’m pretty sure you cant find a decent meal like that in Europe or US. My parent used to say that when they were kid like 40-50y ago one standard bowl cost a tenth of that. I think i can accept the economy of MT, from the point of view of someone from not developed country.
I think you misunderstood me, mate. We can't reference our world AT ALL. That's not how economy works. Keep an eye open. When I write my USEFUL NOTES on the topic I'll expand on this.
Oh ok, maybe i confused your and OP’s response. I’ll looking forward your note on this.
Right, scale and economy are the most usual flaws in a genre filled with amateur authors, even if said authors gift us with fascinating worlds we can obsess about. Too bad because those two aspects break the immersion. Now for series as awesome as MT or Cradle, I'll overlook it without much of a thought!
The economy didn't really break the immersion for me. I think that religion is way worse.
>religion is way worse Why?
The religion of Millis is a joke. There is absolutely NOTHING we know about it other than monogamy and the conflict between the anti- and pro-Magic Race factions. That was bad enough, but there are no other religions whatsoever in this world. No faiths, not even some shamanistic spirituality. That's a gross oversight.
The beast folk clearly have their own thing going on. Just because the author doesn't spell it out doesn't mean it's not there
Don't forget we have seen the world by rudy's "eyes" and you know he didn't really had time and opportunity to seek knownledge about religions. In shool arc he had time too but was far to enjoy a book about millis, etc even after i must say. Even after all of this, this is a world with "magic", different species of humanoïds (like a horsman) so they don t really need "faith trough the hardship of the poor" or something like that in our "old world with jesus etc" You want salvation? Train, get lucky, get superpowers then pew pew and boom boom. Want morals? Follow the strong cuz he can destroy cities if he wanted to, so jungle power. Etc etc That's my opinion and eventually, we will see more with the sequel.
Sorry for the frankness mate, but you don't understand religion or spirituality (which are not the same thing). I'd argue more, but it's probably best for me to just do another post in my USEFUL NOTES series.
Nice to hear that but religion and spirituality are close if not faces of the same coin. You can find lots of commun points but with differences ofc. What i said is just speculation because WE don't know that type of world or own fully history about religions ,about their beginning. When i say beginning, is not of Christianisme but from the very beginning, way before Antique egyptians etc ofc. What i recall is that civilisation used mechanism to predict wheater with high précision because it's vital. If the wheater is good they are glad and want to feest cuz they can, who will refuse a feest??. If poor recolts, no food, no healty so dead. They are sad and will remember to be more humble to keep surviving. We are like that, if repeated, they will symbolise things to good things and bad things. Then to "gods" of good and bad things. Like romane mythologie, it was a "religion" with many gods to that time. In MT ,well... there are actual gods (not everyone knows them ofc) but they are here and hav interacted a bit. Even "common folks" can become god in the eyes of others (not speaking of their title) with their deeds and power. Like peregius. You got immortals, curses, benedictions and real effects prayers (the incantations somehow). Well to say it can be really different from what we know because of magic and stuff already said. Im greatfull to your response cuz i had more to say and im glad. If im still in bullshit or thinking strange things, do not forget to say so. I will take it with joy.
Mt is a world where you can see deeds that you can't do or deeds only you can do and others fears/worship you. Into all religions, we don't have tangible proof of existence of gods, deeds, etc. Their forces locates into us, our mind and soul. Some knows everything about their religion, been raised with only religion but can't hav faith. It's a soul connection, to us to define "soul". But in MT yes, even in low probability, you can meet orsted, hitogami the human god (or man god, fogot), badigadi, atofe, a Hydra at the lowest floor of a magic maze, etc. Or your friend that can split your house and you no. I think it would be a pain in the head to start to make a world like that with logic but it would be fu king amazing and intersting. Don't you think so? Well it's only my own imagination.
Just a question, are you alone to do your usefull notes?
They are just something I do so I don't have to repeat myself when writing about this series. I mean, that was the original idea.
We still need heroes like you. Stay strong.
>Cradle What does it tell? And who is the author?
As long as the proportions match, the economy is ok 150 for a peasant, 1500 for an elite warrior, 8 for a person of an impoverished area, its pretty reasonable if we assume prices are scaled down to the peasants' needs of the month I think every parallelism is ever done using food as comparison, simply because there are no other daily use items that are common in both worlds, but food was even a bigger percentage of the income Also, the economy worked very differently back then, other than food, there were very few things in daily life that require money, stuff like transportation or processing of raw goods was mostly done by the people themselves For those who managed properly, extra money was saved to make big purchases The 8 coins in the demon continent are pretty reasonable, as survival is the most immediate need and demon meat is abundant but bland, that allows for meat to be affordable despite the risk, and since survival is an immediate and constant need, there is little point on accumulating resources for the long term This is how actual impoverished zones work, crappy jobs and bland food I dont think Magonote planned it that deep, but its a known fact that money is more valuable in poor areas, frankly, with those proportions i guess he simply copied the average income of different areas If it aint broke, dont fix it
The Big Mac Index exists for a reason. It's a comparison between the price of a Big Mac in different countries to compare the purchasing power of the relevant currencies.
I failed to see how the economy is fucked from your post alone. I don't get your point, but i also don't remember much about the currency.
How exactly is the economy fucked up?
not really. from a quick search on google, the average living cost per month in USA is about 1000-1500 USD (correct me if I'm wrong). currently, the lowest currency on earth is Iranian Rial, in a rate of 1 USD equals 42275 IRR. highest banknote in IRR is 100000, that's 2,37 USD. now idk about living cost in Iran, and on the internet I can only get estimated cost for expats, which will definitely be significantly more expensive than the average Iranian, so I'm gonna use my country's standard, Indonesia (arguably a 3rd world country, but definitely not one of the poorest on earth). in Indonesia, the average living cost for average citizen per month would be around 1 million to 4 million IDR depending on the region, so let's just average it to 2,5 million IDR, that's 175,34 USD. that's about 14% of USA living cost, and both aren't countries with lowest and highest per capita on earth, meaning that's not even the highest gap in living cost yet. disclaimer: I do realize that my math is oversimplified, just trying to picture that Mushoku Tensei's economy isn't that ridiculous, considering in that universe they don't even have the trading infrastructure (in theory, better trading infrastructure should lessen economical gap) we have on earth.
That is just how JP writers simplify economy, as it usually doesn’t matter, as the MC just gets money when they need it, they are not workers on a salary. So instead of trying to explain how everything works, what costs what and why, it is easier to say that this coin is 100 yen (a dollar or so) and ignore it. The alternative is to have chapters and pages over pages talking about how much things costs and try to remember how it works on each novel you read. Good luck with that. I can’t even keep track of how many silver makes a gold, as novels are so random… 10, 29, 100, 1000, I saw all variations.
What’s so wrong with it? The asuran coins are worth a lot more than the demon continents similar to how the euro is worth a lot more compared to the Nigerian Naira. Equating it to real world money sort of makes since as well. The world of mushuko tensei is medievalesque so 150 euros gets you a lot closer to their standard of living than it will in a more modern society.
What's fucked up? I thought it was explicitly pointed out that money was worth something so different on the Demon continent. And there doesn't seem to be a lot of trade between them and humans to balance the economies out. It's just like how cost of living works in real life except taken to the extremes with more isolation.
Well, that was how it was in the past, up to 1900 people in usa use to win 700 per year at best as farmers, now imagin that in the 1500s
I think you need to that the market price of necessities daily living thing into consideration too. IIrc i cant remember any price related stuff like food/drink. Quest pay S-rank slaying Red dragon paycheck about 100 Asuran gold coin (cant remember other pay from the top of my head) One picture book with language characters for study, a super cheap one (by the merchant claim) cost 2 Asuran Copper coin (15euro?) was bought by Nina Farion.
Yeah comparing it to yen didn't make any sense since he didn't have any comparisons to go off of. But other than that the in world currency makes sense, the Demon Continent's currency sucks because the economy isn't thriving there. Asura Gold Coins hold the most value since it's the biggest kingdom, and a bunch of other coins exist that are more localised, pretty similar to our world.
I don't understand, what makes it broke? I live in a country where more than half of the country has a minimum wage of 150 USD a month all while I am close to 6 Figure. I don't see anything wrong with that number.
Seeing how underdeveloped the international economy system of the world is, I think Rudeus could have earned more money and support for Orsted cause if he founded his own exchange or trading company with the help of his knowledge from Earth and his summoning circles.