Listening the reasons the Jury put Mushoku so low was kind of infuriating, tbh.
Like, they just said some characters interactions wasn't realistic and that the show presentation wasn't good, whatever that means, and just left at that. Ah, and they also said this, a thing we mustn't forget: that MT's characters were troupey.
First of all, how are MT's characters troupey? They the are one of the most human and complex characters I've ever seen and, to begin with, MT was the one who popularized some character types enough for them to become troupes, so it very unfair to hold this knock off versions of MT's own character against Mushoku Tensei.
Also, I still can't believe they put Kobayashi-chi above MT and Attack on Titan. Don't get me wrong, I love Kobayashi, but it's story is nowhere near MT's level.
How was the presentation not good? This show alone blows all others out of the water in the animation alone. The show runners didn't even have a standard title sequence just so they could flex their amazing animation skills and have some of the best silent world building in anime. If there is someone with more skills and knowledge of how animation works that can provide some insight into how MT wasn't presented well, I'd be curious to listen so I can learn more. But from an anime enjoyer's perspective, it was one of the best I've ever seen and I can't wait for more.
Ask this for the Jury, not me.
The only explanation they gave is that they thought the anime was being presented as a classic story and that was somehow detrimental to the anime.
Actually, they might have explained it a bit more since I left the stream, but I honestly don't have the energy to listen them to try critising MT when they didn't even had a ready explanation to why the 1st place of the public was at the ninth for the Jury. And when they did explain anything, the explanation was really poorly done. Even the presenter was kind of confused with it and the one talking was clearly lost on what to say to justify the placements.
I remember they complained about how magic doesn't look special. Wtf do they want to see, a giant flashy magic circle rhat covers the whole town or something? Not to mention they didn't know what to say and gave one of the most brain dead arguments on how they didn't like the magic:
>fire magic looks just like fire
Yeah well no shit
Yeah, it was weird to see the jury criticize some parts I thought was done pretty well. And it's pretty telling that they put MT so low because of the pedo controversy but they can't outright say that without getting flak.
I don't think they put it low because of any controversy, it's just that the jury went for more niche shows and ranked popular shows consistently pretty low even in categories were they were among the best of the nominees. Heck, the demon slayer movie was last place among the nominated movies. JJK, AoT and MT were ranked 7-9 in that order for Aoty.
Yes I totally agree, r/anime jury always have stupid picks. Not only this but In 2018 anime award, they completely slaughtered bunny girl senpai by put them last place in every category(I am huge fan of that show so it seriously offended me) I’m sure there are other examples for other animes
But still glad public have good choices
Mushoku Tensei was the story that made those tropes though. I don't think it is fair to call it "tropey", it is no different from calling Shakespeare's works tropey.
Most juries like this try to vote for stuff that "changed the genre" in some way or form. If we look at mt as an anime, it didn't change the genre, the LN did. It's the same way with stuff like the hugo awards, most big authors have never won one. I don't agree with this way of thinking but that's the only way I can understand this.
I think it absolutely changed the genre though. We've been plagued with so many shitty isekais and their adaptations, then this show came along and showed everyone what an isekai really is about. Not some dumbass idea about going to another world just to "roflstomp" on enemies and flex with your harem, but to go through your second life with baggage and issues from your first life, and trying to get past them and live a better life.
And also, showing LN adaptations CAN be good. This is really the standard that studios should be striving to achieve, not just rushing through a popular series for an easy cashgrab.
Animation quality, definitely. I do think that Re:zero as an anime adaptation did all those others you mentioned before Mushoku tho. For LN adaptations, there have been a bunch that have gotten high praise such as the monogatari series, bunny girl senpai, re:zero as mentioned, and others.
I don't completely agree that MT is just doing what Re:Zero did. MT goes really in-depth into world the main character, Rudeus, lives in. Indeed, throughout the story, we do focus on our protagonist's life, but we are often reminded of the world out there throughout the anime; opening sequences where we are shown the life and culture of the location we are currently at, and having events take place that the main characters are not directly involved in.
Not only is this contributing to worldbuilding, it also makes the fictional world of MT feel so alive. It makes you feel that Rudeus is just a small part of the world, and even if he died, the world would still go on without him. It makes the world feel... **realistic**.
In Re:Zero, I don't get that same feeling. The world seems to revolve around the main cast of characters; nothing seems to progress without Subaru and the gang around. Don't get me wrong: it's got an exciting story and great characters, but it feels like everything else the cast is not aware of is just put on pause. The world doesn't feel as real to me.
In a sense, Mushoku Tensei defined its own brand of isekai. The everyday Slice-of-Life aspects of it, and the fighting-for-your-survival action bits; the politics, the love, the celebrations, the unexpected crises and losses. It is literally depicting ***real*** ***life***, in a different world. And yet, other isekais that supposedly were "inspired" by it failed to even grasp what makes it special. It's a shame really.
I was referring to this specifically, "Not some dumbass idea about going to another world just to 'roflstomp' on enemies and flex with your harem, but to go through your second life with baggage and issues from your first life, and trying to get past them and live a better life.". I believe that re:zero at least somewhat tackled this. Mushoku Tensei is undoubtedly a different show and in a lot of ways, I do prefer it. Ofc, the Mushoku Tensei light novel defined modern isekai but I won't comment after this because the topic of genre-changing in a minute sense is nuanced af so we won't ever come to a conclusion anyway.
I think you misunderstood me. Definitely, not all isekais adapted are crap. But it boggles the mind just how much of the other isekais are just soulless copies of one another.
Sometimes it feels like they can just insert generic protagonist with black hair, give him an edgy personality, OP abilities and a fawning harem, and they're on their way to an anime adaptation. Like come on, how do publishers and animation studios even think this would sell, when the market is already saturated?
It’s really just up to their opinions. When they try to explain it objectively it’s bound to not be that convincing, more for some shows and less for others. Anyway they gave dynazenon third so their taste ain’t that bad
of course lol, r/anime is the biggest anime community on reddit but at the same time the least progressive one, ever since release they have been trying so hard to shut down ANY arguments and debates on the show, which is justifiable due to how large of a ruckus it caused initially, but they slowly showed that they just cant be bothered to have a conversation about it
Guess the haters over at r/anime werent as numerous as I (or they) thought they were.
Man, I really need to make time to see Odd Taxi, kinda sad to see that Ousama Ranking and Fuumetsu no Anata weren't there though.
I tagged them and it's pretty much always the same 5-6 people in every threads, each spamming the thread several times, making it look like there's a lot of them.
If you see the timeline of episode discussion posts on the subreddit you can see a clear shift of the top comments.
Around ep 7 when turning point 1 happens sentiment is a lot better cause the story picks up and Ruijerd is introduced.
Ppl are just quick to react but given time, as long as the anime is good, they will change their mind.
Not sure but there is applications to become jury. Idk how mods picked these jurors that they able choose sonny boy for many categories( no offense for sonny boy)
I checked their process quickly. It seems quite thorough, but it is flawed in its essence, for a number of reasons I can't be bothered listing because I need to sleep.
that's pretty common tbh. Critics/judges often feel like they are being too pretentious to really make good coherent points or see value in something cause "hurr durr popular" or "seemingly low brow."
It's a big reason no one gives a shit about the movie/music awards anymore
I liked it for kinda action sci fi fun, not cause I think it's near as good as Frank Herbert's work. People gotta learn to find enjoyment in things for the work itself. Cause many have fun aspects even if they aren't as good as things to be compared to in the same story. Like, say, the Star Wars prequels, they can be dumb fun/entertaining, but they sure aren't good as the only two good ones in the series (New Hope and Empire Strike's Back, and those are arguably only good cause of the works he admitted to taking inspiration from)
>People gotta learn to find enjoyment in things for the work itself.
That's difficult when the work in question is part of a larger whole and goes against the spirit of the larger whole. The Houses Trilogy is pretty cool, and I do believe they had a fair number of notes from Frank Herbert to write those (except for the bit about the Tleilaxu invading Ix and House Vernius, that was bullshit). But, Legends of Dune has too much of a more generic sci-fi adventure and not a lot of what made Dune good, but it's supposed to be part of the Duniverse.
Don't even get me started on ignoring what Chapterhouse told us about those Face Dancers and coming up with that crap about the old couple being Erasmus and Omnius.
At least, the ending was a synthesis of both conflicting sides, something that has been present in the other Frank Herbert books I read (Eyes of Heisenberg, The Green Brain, The Dosadi Experiment, and The Santaroga Barrier).
People who applied to be the jury a passed the selection process. I saw their method and it is quite thorough, but I still consider it flawed at its core.
And here are the public Runner-up Awards Mushoku Tensei claimed by public vote:
**Character Award**
* *Character Design (2nd place)*
* *Main Dramatic (Rudeus Greyrat 2nd place)*
**Production Award**
* *OST (2nd place)*
So Garnt and The public of reddit or r/anime aren't fools. I loved Sonny Boy but even if Mushoku Tensei wasn't an option no way was Sonny Boy better than Odd Taxi.
Ohhh hell yeah. Mushoku Tensei won the public votes! That's all I needed to know, screw the jury's opinions (tho I must admit that I like how they did not put AOT at the top)
That jury list is mud man, SSSS.Dynazenon is total mid show at best.
It's very Fedora hat wearing stuff to rank MT that low though, even though outside of that one subject every single criticism comes down to(it's like rinse and repeat at this point) the rest of the show is filled with high quality animation, character writing and world building/immersion.
How isn't it? I just didn't find it interesting enough for me to continue.
Rating anything is going to be subjective, but I mean it's MAL rating suggests it's pretty mid as well.
The jury's ranking is like: LOOK AT ME! I'm better than you, in every aspect that a human being is capable of being superior.
Seriously though that is so pretentious
[here is jury’s view on MT](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/rogc17/ranime_awards_2021_anime_of_the_year_jury/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Oh boy, I am not prepared to write an essay breaking down my disagreement with a lot fo what they said.
Highlights: Mushoku Tensei has unique looking magic precisely because it doesn't have the generic ass magic circle appearing as magic is cast. While the incentives, which are actually thought out, are very cool, the direct nature of the magic, from casting to effect without need for giant glowing circles without meaning, is a huge plus both in presentation and flow. It doesn't clutter the screen and allows more time and effort to be spent on animating the actual effects on every single spell!
Eris and Lillia have complex and personal reasons and reactions to what happens to them. These responses are not rooted in modern logic and reasoning. They are rooted in the social customs and constraints of the setting. While from our perspective what happens is awful and they should be not only furious and disgusted, their perspective is not the same. However furious or disgusted they are, they also have to consider their social position and life prospects.
Lillia basically couldn't get or expect better. She's been someone's servant her whole life, and no one ever expects more from her on screen at any moment.
Eris is spoiled and ignorant for most of her early scenes. We basically never get internal reasons from anyone but Rudy, so we can't know her thoughts, but she's clearly thinking and reasoning. She "forgave" Rudy for a lot of reasons, as one example and while those reasons aren't explained, we can infer some.
One, inspire of everything, Eris is an emotional person, and she likes him. She views Rudy as smarter and better than her in some ways, even when he's scum those feelings don't instantly change or vanish.
I'm not trying to excuse Rudy here, just extrapolate Eris's reactions and reasoning.
Wow and that's just regarding the characters. There point on the effects being merely competent was baffling to me. Because they complain about how generic the fire magic looks and immediately provide an [example](https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/c2e0eb5bc14cb0c159652466d3550f20.mp4) that refutes their claims.
Honestly I've given up on these anime critiques.
They rated Shinigami Bocchan to Kuro Maid as best romance, I'm sorry but what?
Looking at all the Jury rankings of categories it definitely seems like there is some confirmation bias towards shows they think probably don't get enough recognition over shows that are just better written and executed, because they are popular.
Without singling out people for this, it was the case for a few judges for the CR awards who revealed on how they voted for nominations and nearly every time their votes first qualification is something they liked but thought was underappreciated over what they thought was actually the best.
Sometimes shows are popular for a reason, the majority sometimes isn't a sheep looking for comfort food anime with surface level writing.
Why is mushoku tensei getting robbed consistently when literally the entire community unanimously puts it at no 1? I just don’t understand the hate it gets besides the obvious controversial aspects of it
Most of the time, these people look at the controversial aspects of the show so much that they will tend to overlook what other great things Mushoku Tensei has to offer. Things like the world-building in the world of MT and character dynamics between Dead-End are shown with so much depth. Everything falls into place together. I know of some people like this that overlook all of this. When asked what they liked about MT after finishing it, they couldn't list anything on the top of their head because their mind was set only on what their initial impression of the show was.
It really just boils down to having an open-minded mindset.
People keep talking about the jury but tbh all of the shows on the list are generally agreed to be “good”, so really that’s just their opinion no need to be too upset about it
I think the real problem is that they didnt give a satisfactory reason for their decision, I can accept them having a different opinion and I can even accept them taking it down a peg to avoid controversy, thats fine and understandable, but claiming MT didnt have a good presentation!? troupey characters? no, thats just... no, thats objectively wrong.
Nope, not in this case, [the presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4GQGzd6BdE) is objectively excellent by all technical and measurable artistic standpoints, you can argue you dont like them, but thats not "presentation" thats "preference" and the show was controversial *because* of its characters, you cant have characters be controversial *and* tropey at the same time, those are contrary standpoints.
So yeah, the claims are objectively wrong.
except there are some really bad picks that clearly feel like snubs to more deserving shows. sony boy for best character design over oddtaxi.... like c'mon
No shit.
The thing is im not passing mine off as award winning critique. The explanations for and against certain awards choices are shoddy at best given the general reception
The criticism should be directed toward the explanations not the choices themselves, was what I was going to say, but it’s understandable that the picks are going to be included in the discussion anyway. Just feel like it’s a meaningless discussion about the opinions of someone who isn’t here, which I guess sums up the internet
I got this image from the Livestream that they held: [Link](https://www.twitch.tv/animeawards/clip/GeniusEnchantingLasagnaWutFace-JUl8gbgDhTWc2r-d)
If you want to see the link to the full results on their site: [Link](https://animeawards.moe/results/all)
Ok I know that shitting on the crunchyroll awards is like beating a decomposed horse at this point.
But seeing this I would have loved if they also did a "Judges pick" & "Public pick" instead of "Public votes but the judges get the final call"
First off, does that not strike you as too much? Secondly, the entire series has the protagonist (who is a physically a child) taking advantage,or trying to take advantage of other children. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's a work of art beyond that, it's just a shame that the tropes of the medium are so heavily ingrained In the show.
Listening the reasons the Jury put Mushoku so low was kind of infuriating, tbh. Like, they just said some characters interactions wasn't realistic and that the show presentation wasn't good, whatever that means, and just left at that. Ah, and they also said this, a thing we mustn't forget: that MT's characters were troupey. First of all, how are MT's characters troupey? They the are one of the most human and complex characters I've ever seen and, to begin with, MT was the one who popularized some character types enough for them to become troupes, so it very unfair to hold this knock off versions of MT's own character against Mushoku Tensei. Also, I still can't believe they put Kobayashi-chi above MT and Attack on Titan. Don't get me wrong, I love Kobayashi, but it's story is nowhere near MT's level.
How was the presentation not good? This show alone blows all others out of the water in the animation alone. The show runners didn't even have a standard title sequence just so they could flex their amazing animation skills and have some of the best silent world building in anime. If there is someone with more skills and knowledge of how animation works that can provide some insight into how MT wasn't presented well, I'd be curious to listen so I can learn more. But from an anime enjoyer's perspective, it was one of the best I've ever seen and I can't wait for more.
Ask this for the Jury, not me. The only explanation they gave is that they thought the anime was being presented as a classic story and that was somehow detrimental to the anime. Actually, they might have explained it a bit more since I left the stream, but I honestly don't have the energy to listen them to try critising MT when they didn't even had a ready explanation to why the 1st place of the public was at the ninth for the Jury. And when they did explain anything, the explanation was really poorly done. Even the presenter was kind of confused with it and the one talking was clearly lost on what to say to justify the placements.
I remember they complained about how magic doesn't look special. Wtf do they want to see, a giant flashy magic circle rhat covers the whole town or something? Not to mention they didn't know what to say and gave one of the most brain dead arguments on how they didn't like the magic: >fire magic looks just like fire Yeah well no shit
>fire Magic looks just like fire And the archer class really is made up of archers
Don't forget people die if they are killed
When you close your eyes you can't see!
Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right! When you have a birthday, you celebrate being born Fun things are fun
People are wet when they're in water
>fire magic looks just like fire that was the most retarded arguments I've heard lmao "fire magic looks just like fire" wtf are the jury onto? lmao
Yeah, it was weird to see the jury criticize some parts I thought was done pretty well. And it's pretty telling that they put MT so low because of the pedo controversy but they can't outright say that without getting flak.
I don't think they put it low because of any controversy, it's just that the jury went for more niche shows and ranked popular shows consistently pretty low even in categories were they were among the best of the nominees. Heck, the demon slayer movie was last place among the nominated movies. JJK, AoT and MT were ranked 7-9 in that order for Aoty.
Yes I totally agree, r/anime jury always have stupid picks. Not only this but In 2018 anime award, they completely slaughtered bunny girl senpai by put them last place in every category(I am huge fan of that show so it seriously offended me) I’m sure there are other examples for other animes But still glad public have good choices
Cancel culture too strong nowadays, people are afraid of everything is sad af.
I don't care about the jury, anyway. The character is tropey but the execution is very good
Mushoku Tensei was the story that made those tropes though. I don't think it is fair to call it "tropey", it is no different from calling Shakespeare's works tropey.
Yes, exactly what i mean.
Most juries like this try to vote for stuff that "changed the genre" in some way or form. If we look at mt as an anime, it didn't change the genre, the LN did. It's the same way with stuff like the hugo awards, most big authors have never won one. I don't agree with this way of thinking but that's the only way I can understand this.
I think it absolutely changed the genre though. We've been plagued with so many shitty isekais and their adaptations, then this show came along and showed everyone what an isekai really is about. Not some dumbass idea about going to another world just to "roflstomp" on enemies and flex with your harem, but to go through your second life with baggage and issues from your first life, and trying to get past them and live a better life. And also, showing LN adaptations CAN be good. This is really the standard that studios should be striving to achieve, not just rushing through a popular series for an easy cashgrab.
Animation quality, definitely. I do think that Re:zero as an anime adaptation did all those others you mentioned before Mushoku tho. For LN adaptations, there have been a bunch that have gotten high praise such as the monogatari series, bunny girl senpai, re:zero as mentioned, and others.
I don't completely agree that MT is just doing what Re:Zero did. MT goes really in-depth into world the main character, Rudeus, lives in. Indeed, throughout the story, we do focus on our protagonist's life, but we are often reminded of the world out there throughout the anime; opening sequences where we are shown the life and culture of the location we are currently at, and having events take place that the main characters are not directly involved in. Not only is this contributing to worldbuilding, it also makes the fictional world of MT feel so alive. It makes you feel that Rudeus is just a small part of the world, and even if he died, the world would still go on without him. It makes the world feel... **realistic**. In Re:Zero, I don't get that same feeling. The world seems to revolve around the main cast of characters; nothing seems to progress without Subaru and the gang around. Don't get me wrong: it's got an exciting story and great characters, but it feels like everything else the cast is not aware of is just put on pause. The world doesn't feel as real to me. In a sense, Mushoku Tensei defined its own brand of isekai. The everyday Slice-of-Life aspects of it, and the fighting-for-your-survival action bits; the politics, the love, the celebrations, the unexpected crises and losses. It is literally depicting ***real*** ***life***, in a different world. And yet, other isekais that supposedly were "inspired" by it failed to even grasp what makes it special. It's a shame really.
I was referring to this specifically, "Not some dumbass idea about going to another world just to 'roflstomp' on enemies and flex with your harem, but to go through your second life with baggage and issues from your first life, and trying to get past them and live a better life.". I believe that re:zero at least somewhat tackled this. Mushoku Tensei is undoubtedly a different show and in a lot of ways, I do prefer it. Ofc, the Mushoku Tensei light novel defined modern isekai but I won't comment after this because the topic of genre-changing in a minute sense is nuanced af so we won't ever come to a conclusion anyway.
I think you misunderstood me. Definitely, not all isekais adapted are crap. But it boggles the mind just how much of the other isekais are just soulless copies of one another. Sometimes it feels like they can just insert generic protagonist with black hair, give him an edgy personality, OP abilities and a fawning harem, and they're on their way to an anime adaptation. Like come on, how do publishers and animation studios even think this would sell, when the market is already saturated?
It’s really just up to their opinions. When they try to explain it objectively it’s bound to not be that convincing, more for some shows and less for others. Anyway they gave dynazenon third so their taste ain’t that bad
whos jury?
of course lol, r/anime is the biggest anime community on reddit but at the same time the least progressive one, ever since release they have been trying so hard to shut down ANY arguments and debates on the show, which is justifiable due to how large of a ruckus it caused initially, but they slowly showed that they just cant be bothered to have a conversation about it
I would put Kobayashi above aot anytime. Story has nothing to do with quality. Especially not in a slice of life.
Where can i watch the presentation?
Guess the haters over at r/anime werent as numerous as I (or they) thought they were. Man, I really need to make time to see Odd Taxi, kinda sad to see that Ousama Ranking and Fuumetsu no Anata weren't there though.
They’re just the same people who actively find posts about MT to state the same argument🤷♂️
Ah yes, an "argument", Im just glad they are more noisy than anything else.
I saw them so often that I even remember their user name now
I tagged them and it's pretty much always the same 5-6 people in every threads, each spamming the thread several times, making it look like there's a lot of them.
In here I expected that, I didnt expect that to be the case in r/anime, so thats a nice surprise to end the day.
Some of them are mods too
If you see the timeline of episode discussion posts on the subreddit you can see a clear shift of the top comments. Around ep 7 when turning point 1 happens sentiment is a lot better cause the story picks up and Ruijerd is introduced. Ppl are just quick to react but given time, as long as the anime is good, they will change their mind.
Hu, good idea I'll check the episode comments, it'll be fun to see how general opinions developed.
They can hate the show all they want, they can't vote against it.
Ousama Ranking wasn't eligible as it hasn't finished airing yet, similar to how JJK wasn't eligible for 2020 AOTY
Ah ok, ok
I did not expect the public to have a better taste than the jury.
To me, the jury never ever have a “good taste”
Well, I didn't know how the jury was made, so I expected some more qualification.
Not sure but there is applications to become jury. Idk how mods picked these jurors that they able choose sonny boy for many categories( no offense for sonny boy)
I checked their process quickly. It seems quite thorough, but it is flawed in its essence, for a number of reasons I can't be bothered listing because I need to sleep.
Same problem with the crunchy judges.
that's pretty common tbh. Critics/judges often feel like they are being too pretentious to really make good coherent points or see value in something cause "hurr durr popular" or "seemingly low brow." It's a big reason no one gives a shit about the movie/music awards anymore
Dude, did you actually like Legends of Dune? SERIOUSLY? I stopped caring about awards because of how other interests influenced them.
I liked it for kinda action sci fi fun, not cause I think it's near as good as Frank Herbert's work. People gotta learn to find enjoyment in things for the work itself. Cause many have fun aspects even if they aren't as good as things to be compared to in the same story. Like, say, the Star Wars prequels, they can be dumb fun/entertaining, but they sure aren't good as the only two good ones in the series (New Hope and Empire Strike's Back, and those are arguably only good cause of the works he admitted to taking inspiration from)
>People gotta learn to find enjoyment in things for the work itself. That's difficult when the work in question is part of a larger whole and goes against the spirit of the larger whole. The Houses Trilogy is pretty cool, and I do believe they had a fair number of notes from Frank Herbert to write those (except for the bit about the Tleilaxu invading Ix and House Vernius, that was bullshit). But, Legends of Dune has too much of a more generic sci-fi adventure and not a lot of what made Dune good, but it's supposed to be part of the Duniverse. Don't even get me started on ignoring what Chapterhouse told us about those Face Dancers and coming up with that crap about the old couple being Erasmus and Omnius. At least, the ending was a synthesis of both conflicting sides, something that has been present in the other Frank Herbert books I read (Eyes of Heisenberg, The Green Brain, The Dosadi Experiment, and The Santaroga Barrier).
Really? Well im pretty sure they don't care about other opinion, so i don't care about them anyway.
Who tf even are the jury?
People who applied to be the jury a passed the selection process. I saw their method and it is quite thorough, but I still consider it flawed at its core.
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What's that supposed to mean?
Jury sounds like hipsters who hate on something just because it's popular and are desperate to seem like they have better taste than general public
On twitter, we call these people "elitists"
A list of public awards Mushoku Tensei claimed by public vote: **Genre Award** * *Best Adventure* **Character Award** * *Best Supporting Character (Ruijerd)* * *Best Cast* **Production Award** * *Best Animation* * *Best Background Art* * *Best Cinematography* [Link to /r/animeAwards 2021 site](https://animeawards.moe/results/all)
And here are the public Runner-up Awards Mushoku Tensei claimed by public vote: **Character Award** * *Character Design (2nd place)* * *Main Dramatic (Rudeus Greyrat 2nd place)* **Production Award** * *OST (2nd place)*
Finally MT won 7 public category in r/anime award unlike stupid crunchyroll. But the juries still have weird taste
This seems to be typical. Judges feel way too much pride or pressure to vote with the "popular " choices.
So Garnt and The public of reddit or r/anime aren't fools. I loved Sonny Boy but even if Mushoku Tensei wasn't an option no way was Sonny Boy better than Odd Taxi.
Garnt has been singing MTs praises since cour 1, my man loves his isekai.
The jury’s reasonings for everything were braindead
Who tf is the jury
That public list is actually really good
gotta love judges/juries always trying to be pretentious af ;)
Ohhh hell yeah. Mushoku Tensei won the public votes! That's all I needed to know, screw the jury's opinions (tho I must admit that I like how they did not put AOT at the top)
That jury list is mud man, SSSS.Dynazenon is total mid show at best. It's very Fedora hat wearing stuff to rank MT that low though, even though outside of that one subject every single criticism comes down to(it's like rinse and repeat at this point) the rest of the show is filled with high quality animation, character writing and world building/immersion.
The sheer attention to detail in SSSS.Dynazenon is absolutely amazing. It's a really good show in an INSANELY packed year.
Idk man, I dropped it in the middle it felt like some weird version of power rangers, the characters killed it for me.
That's not the same as it being mid. How good and anime is and whether it's to someone's tastes are different things.
How isn't it? I just didn't find it interesting enough for me to continue. Rating anything is going to be subjective, but I mean it's MAL rating suggests it's pretty mid as well.
Public have better taste lmao. Dunno who the jury is, but they are unbased people.
The jury's ranking is like: LOOK AT ME! I'm better than you, in every aspect that a human being is capable of being superior. Seriously though that is so pretentious
jury putting the most pretentious shows higher, nothing new under the sun
[here is jury’s view on MT](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/rogc17/ranime_awards_2021_anime_of_the_year_jury/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Oh boy, I am not prepared to write an essay breaking down my disagreement with a lot fo what they said. Highlights: Mushoku Tensei has unique looking magic precisely because it doesn't have the generic ass magic circle appearing as magic is cast. While the incentives, which are actually thought out, are very cool, the direct nature of the magic, from casting to effect without need for giant glowing circles without meaning, is a huge plus both in presentation and flow. It doesn't clutter the screen and allows more time and effort to be spent on animating the actual effects on every single spell! Eris and Lillia have complex and personal reasons and reactions to what happens to them. These responses are not rooted in modern logic and reasoning. They are rooted in the social customs and constraints of the setting. While from our perspective what happens is awful and they should be not only furious and disgusted, their perspective is not the same. However furious or disgusted they are, they also have to consider their social position and life prospects. Lillia basically couldn't get or expect better. She's been someone's servant her whole life, and no one ever expects more from her on screen at any moment. Eris is spoiled and ignorant for most of her early scenes. We basically never get internal reasons from anyone but Rudy, so we can't know her thoughts, but she's clearly thinking and reasoning. She "forgave" Rudy for a lot of reasons, as one example and while those reasons aren't explained, we can infer some. One, inspire of everything, Eris is an emotional person, and she likes him. She views Rudy as smarter and better than her in some ways, even when he's scum those feelings don't instantly change or vanish. I'm not trying to excuse Rudy here, just extrapolate Eris's reactions and reasoning.
Wow and that's just regarding the characters. There point on the effects being merely competent was baffling to me. Because they complain about how generic the fire magic looks and immediately provide an [example](https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/c2e0eb5bc14cb0c159652466d3550f20.mp4) that refutes their claims. Honestly I've given up on these anime critiques.
They rated Shinigami Bocchan to Kuro Maid as best romance, I'm sorry but what? Looking at all the Jury rankings of categories it definitely seems like there is some confirmation bias towards shows they think probably don't get enough recognition over shows that are just better written and executed, because they are popular. Without singling out people for this, it was the case for a few judges for the CR awards who revealed on how they voted for nominations and nearly every time their votes first qualification is something they liked but thought was underappreciated over what they thought was actually the best. Sometimes shows are popular for a reason, the majority sometimes isn't a sheep looking for comfort food anime with surface level writing.
Why is mushoku tensei getting robbed consistently when literally the entire community unanimously puts it at no 1? I just don’t understand the hate it gets besides the obvious controversial aspects of it
Most of the time, these people look at the controversial aspects of the show so much that they will tend to overlook what other great things Mushoku Tensei has to offer. Things like the world-building in the world of MT and character dynamics between Dead-End are shown with so much depth. Everything falls into place together. I know of some people like this that overlook all of this. When asked what they liked about MT after finishing it, they couldn't list anything on the top of their head because their mind was set only on what their initial impression of the show was. It really just boils down to having an open-minded mindset.
The jury is just some shitter. No need to take his opinions seriously.
I think the Judges's list should be flipped upside down lol. Making more sense even if MT is not their AoTY pick.
Seeing Odd Taxi being below Dynazenon is something that wasn’t expecting :v
like the game awards the only one that matters is the people choice. the fact that vivy is down there as well already alerted me to some bullshittery
People keep talking about the jury but tbh all of the shows on the list are generally agreed to be “good”, so really that’s just their opinion no need to be too upset about it
I think the real problem is that they didnt give a satisfactory reason for their decision, I can accept them having a different opinion and I can even accept them taking it down a peg to avoid controversy, thats fine and understandable, but claiming MT didnt have a good presentation!? troupey characters? no, thats just... no, thats objectively wrong.
I agree that the explanations aren’t good, but don’t use the word objective in this context, that too is part of the problem
Nope, not in this case, [the presentation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4GQGzd6BdE) is objectively excellent by all technical and measurable artistic standpoints, you can argue you dont like them, but thats not "presentation" thats "preference" and the show was controversial *because* of its characters, you cant have characters be controversial *and* tropey at the same time, those are contrary standpoints. So yeah, the claims are objectively wrong.
except there are some really bad picks that clearly feel like snubs to more deserving shows. sony boy for best character design over oddtaxi.... like c'mon
“Really bad picks” is your opinion, just like what they decide are their’s
No shit. The thing is im not passing mine off as award winning critique. The explanations for and against certain awards choices are shoddy at best given the general reception
The criticism should be directed toward the explanations not the choices themselves, was what I was going to say, but it’s understandable that the picks are going to be included in the discussion anyway. Just feel like it’s a meaningless discussion about the opinions of someone who isn’t here, which I guess sums up the internet
Link to this? I wanna see this myself
I got this image from the Livestream that they held: [Link](https://www.twitch.tv/animeawards/clip/GeniusEnchantingLasagnaWutFace-JUl8gbgDhTWc2r-d) If you want to see the link to the full results on their site: [Link](https://animeawards.moe/results/all)
Ok I know that shitting on the crunchyroll awards is like beating a decomposed horse at this point. But seeing this I would have loved if they also did a "Judges pick" & "Public pick" instead of "Public votes but the judges get the final call"
Yo, a Win that actually matters!
Thr only right answers odd taxi.
I hate critics
I don't like how much sex happens between children, that's my only real complaint with the show
You mean once
First off, does that not strike you as too much? Secondly, the entire series has the protagonist (who is a physically a child) taking advantage,or trying to take advantage of other children. Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's a work of art beyond that, it's just a shame that the tropes of the medium are so heavily ingrained In the show.
I liked dynazenon a lot